Chiefs fire Chan

[chiefforlife]

Source: Chiefs chop Chan Gailey
Posted by Mike Florio on August 31, 2009 11:04 AM ET
A source within the otherwise impenetrable walls of One Arrowhead Drive advises that the Chiefs have fired this morning offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.

Gailey survived the initial purge of assistant coaches after Todd Haley was hired in February.

It's unclear what has changed between then and now.

More to come.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/31/source-chiefs-chop-chan-gailey/

[Archie Bunker]

:eek:

That's very interesting.

[Rain Man]

Huh? What?

[doomy3]

Holy Shit!

[JD10367]

Interesting. Gailey is a guy with some reputation, a former HC. Not sure I'd blame him for an offense that has a porous O-line, a subpar QB starting last season, and underperforming wideouts. I mean, even Picasso couldn't paint a masterpiece with a palette full of shit...

[Hammock Parties]

HOLY dogshit. This is highly unusual.

[KC kid]

WOW!!!!

[Demonpenz]

well, bye

[Predarat]

They should fire the DC too.

[JD10367]

HOLY dogshit. This is highly unusual.

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."

[Easy 6]

WOWZERS!

[Brock]

Good.

[Rain Man]

If true, I'm not a fan of this. I thought Gailey did pretty well last year in terms of matching a system to the talents of his players.

[BigMeatballDave]

WTF? Is this for real?

[raybec 4]

Well now we have a built in excuse as to why these no talent scrubs on offense are going to suck, lackof talent and learning another new system aren't a good combo.

[Tiger's Fan]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."

This was my first thought.

[beach tribe]

WTF?? He must have done something Haley didn't like. Maybe Haley told him to protect Cassel in the PS cause he knew the OL sucked, and Gailey got him hurt. That's really the only thing I can think of that would make them fire him at this juncture.

[doomy3]

So, does this mean Haley will be calling the plays? Or are we going to try to bring in someone else this late?

This is an odd move.

[CaliforniaChief]

Wow, firing an assistant now is cold-blooded! I wonder who will call plays now? LOL

[Tiger's Fan]

They should fire the DC too.

Boy, you're pretty smart.

[Bill Lundberg]

My guess is Haley wanted to call his own plays and Chan didn't want to give that up so Haley told him to hit the road.

[Tiger's Fan]

Wow, firing an assistant now is cold-blooded! I wonder who will call plays now? LOL

Hopefully Haley will be. I'm no fan of Gailey, so no biggie to me.

[Demonpenz]

Max protect everytime with bowe just going up for a jump ball

[chiefforlife]

Who knows what went on behind the scenes. I think Haley will take over the playcalling as he should.

[JD10367]

Wow, firing an assistant now is cold-blooded! I wonder who will call plays now? LOL

Maybe Haley figured, with the weak economy, he could save ownership some money. Since it looks like the gameplan for the first few weeks will be, "Thigpen, Run For Your Life, on Two, Hut".

[HemiEd]

That is another strike. How many is that now?

[Gonzo]

Take it Haley's calling plays now?

[alpha_omega]

Totally unexpected...I need more information before giving an opinion one way or another.

[MOhillbilly]

Big Balls in Cowtown. DAMN.

[wild1]

Haley to run the offense himself?

[Fat Elvis]

I bet Chan told Pioli he was an idiot for not getting some O-line.

[Simply Red]

Hit the road, chump!

[KC kid]

Sending a message

[Easy 6]

Even if ya kinda liked Gailey, gotta admire another bold move by this regime.

Haley will do a great job calling it.

[chiefforlife]

I remember Haley saying something like "the running game was working, we got off track for some reason." Maybe that had something to do with it?

[CaliforniaChief]

For a guy used to putting 20-30 points a game on the board, this offensive ineptitude finally pushed him over the edge. Maybe it was at the end of the second quarter Saturday where we had 2:30 in the half for a two minute drive, only to go 3 and out, punt it back on a short field and give up a TD. Maybe it's the inability to move the ball 1 freaking yard on 4 plays on the goal line. But the offense isn't working, so you keep trying to get better. That's players, and coaches. I'm looking forward to Haleyball, not Herm "Don't go Arena League on Me" Ball.

[Chiefnj2]

I hope Chan ends up talking.

[Simply Red]

Totally unexpected...I need more information before giving an opinion one way or another.

sorry, but CP requires your information right now.

[patteeu]

Haley apparently wants to walk the tight wire this year without a net.

Hmmm. Maybe Gailey wanted to put some plays in for Thigpen. OTOH, maybe Haley was upset that Gailey didn't find a way to showcase Thigpen for trade bait last Saturday. :shrug:

Weird move. I hope Gailey leaks the scoop to someone so we find out what happened.

[Priest31kc]

Wow, why? This is pretty shocking news.

[blaise]

I guess Piolo and Haley didn't want him in their Super Duper Secret Club anymore.

[Chiefnj2]

People can say what they want about Chan, but the guy was able to create an entirely new scheme last year on the fly with Thigpen.

[sparkky]

If true, I'm not a fan of this. I thought Gailey did pretty well last year in terms of matching a system to the talents of his players.

I tend to agree. made lemonade from lemons best he could.

SCAPEGOAT comes to mind.

[El Jefe]

That is another strike. How many is that now?

Eleventybillion1111111!!/Hamas

[BigRedChief]

Haley apparently wants to walk the tight wire this year without a net.

Hmmm. Maybe Gailey wanted to put some plays in for Thigpen. OTOH, maybe Haley was upset that Gailey didn't find a way to showcase Thigpen for trade bait last Saturday. :shrug:

Weird move. I hope Gailey leaks the scoop to someone so we find out what happened.
probably got some rider in there he doesn't get paid if he talks. But, I would sure like to know how they were on the same page and now they are not. What happened? Getting the scapegoat set up early?

[Chief Faithful]

What is the chance Pioli had another OC in mind before the firing?

[Molitoth]

Holy shit!

[MOhillbilly]

Haley to run the offense himself?

Thats rarely a good move.

[patteeu]

I tend to agree. made lemonade from lemons best he could.

SCAPEGOAT comes to mind.

Scapegoat doesn't make that much sense though because no one cares about the preseason. By letting him go now, they've lost their potential scapegoat for a poor offensive regular season. It's on Haley now, more than ever.

[sedated]

wtf? totally unexpected.


Chan's offense sucked at the beginning of last year too, but he got it back on track after Thigpen got the nod.

Perhaps Chan couldn't do as much with the "pocket-passer" type QB as Haley wanted.

[Hammock Parties]

This indicates a potential rift between Gailey and Pioli.

[ModSocks]

Wow. This season went to hell in a handbag after one weekend

[GoHuge]

Totally unexpected...I need more information before giving an opinion one way or another.I don't. This is a stupid as firing Trey Hillman. Chan and Trey have been rendered totally irrelelavant. Sure Trey does some dumb things as I'm sure Chan does, but how the hell do you blame them when the organization sends them into a gun fight with a knife, on hand tied behind their back, and wearing a blindfold. You are only as good as your options. Neither coach has many. Firing them is window dressing at best. They aren't the problem. A lack of talent is..........this is stupid. Gailey has one of the best reputations as a offensive mind in the NFL.

[Discuss Thrower]

This doesn't bode well for the stability of the team, IMO.

[patteeu]

probably got some rider in there he doesn't get paid if he talks. But, I would sure like to know how they were on the same page and now they are not. What happened? Getting the scapegoat set up early?

Maybe, but if he whispers his story in a friendly reporter's ear, they wouldn't be able to prove it. Happens all the time.

[Chief Henry]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."



:LOL:


If this is true, Haley is wanting results and won't stand for any mediocrity like this organizations has stood for during the Carl and Herm era.

[wild1]

I don't know who this Haley guy you are all talking about is. the head coach is Mike Shanahan.

[philfree]

Maybe Chan told Haley that the o linemen we had on the roster would be fine/o.k. for the 2009 season.

PhilFree:arrow:

[Bill Lundberg]

Here's what I like about this.

*Haley could have let Chan hang around until the end of the season and then Fired him and used him as a scapegoat for our upcoming 3-13 season. Instead he took the bull by the horns and made the call right away. It may be to his ultimate detriment, but I respect the hell out of Haley for running this thing his way.

[Mr. Kotter]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."


Yup. That's my thought.

Maybe Chan told Haley that the o linemen we had on the roster would be fine/o.k. for the 2009 season.

PhilFree:arrow:

I do like this too, though. :hmmm:

[FringeNC]

I think I remember reading that Pioli wanted Haley to keep Gailey, but he didn't really want to, and Pioli won that one. Now it becomes pretty clear that Haley had strong feelings about it. Very odd. My guess is that Gailey quit rather than give up play-calling duties.

[MOhillbilly]

This doesn't bode well for the stability of the team, IMO.

GOOD!

[sparkky]

it seems the opposite to me.

not having a complete training camp to work on the new offense held them back. having to install on short notice, learning on the fly, over simplified, etc.

guess it doesn't really matter tho. we may well end up with the #1 draft pick next year.

[Bill Lundberg]

Maurice Carthon will be the O Coordinator this year.

[Tiger's Fan]

I don't. This is a stupid as firing Trey Hillman. Chan and Trey have been rendered totally irrelelavant. Sure Trey does some dumb things as I'm sure Chan does, but how the hell do you blame them when the organization sends them into a gun fight with a knife, on hand tied behind their back, and wearing a blindfold. You are only as good as your options. Neither coach has many. Firing them is window dressing at best. They aren't the problem. A lack of talent is..........this is stupid. Gailey has one of the best reputations as a offensive mind in the NFL.

This post is just riddled with stupid.

[wild1]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."


Anyone who thinks Thigpen gives us the best chance to win ought to be shot

[Frosty]

probably got some rider in there he doesn't get paid if he talks. But, I would sure like to know how they were on the same page and now they are not. What happened? Getting the scapegoat set up early?

Any chance of hearing from your source about this?

[booger]

Chan was also the QB coach

[Demonpenz]

dayton pioli

[MMXcalibur]

Sweet Jesus, where did this come from?
Why now? We're heading to Baltimore in 2 weeks!

[CaliforniaChief]

Well kcchiefs.com has already scrubbed him.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaching_staff/

[Garcia Bronco]

He's terrible. Good move. He was bad in Dallas. He was bad at Georgia Tech. The Chiefs have been no different. How this guy keeps getting these jobs is a mystery.

[The Poz]

From Rotoworld:
"Chiefs coach Todd Haley admits that he doesn't have the personnel to be a "high-powered" offense right now.
It didn't take long for Haley to realize he's sitting on one of the most talent-starved rosters in the league. He's been unhappy with his quarterbacks and receivers and plans to lean more heavily on the running game. We still think the Chiefs will pass quite a bit, but this is an offense to avoid in fantasy leagues."

[keg in kc]

Wow, didn't see that coming.

[Nzoner]

Here's what I like about this.

*Haley could have let Chan hang around until the end of the season and then Fired him and used him as a scapegoat for our upcoming 3-13 season. Instead he took the bull by the horns and made the call right away. It may be to his ultimate detriment, but I respect the hell out of Haley for running this thing his way.

He said he could win more than 2 games with 22 guys off the street,looks like he fully intends to do everything he can so he doesn't eat his words.Right or not,major respect for the guy,and I hope in the long run we one day look back and think ballsy move but it worked.

[Gonzo]

IMO Chan was a pos anyway. Always a bridesmaid type of thing.
He was a loser as a HC and as a OC.
Everyone liked him because he was "Creative."
So was Hitler.

[Molitoth]

Well kcchiefs.com has already scrubbed him.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaching_staff/

I was awaiting some proof, and that is a decent little exhibit.

[Easy 6]

IMO Chan was a pos anyway. Always a bridesmaid type of thing.
He was a loser as a HC and as a OC.
Everyone liked him because he was "Creative."
So was Hitler.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

[GoHuge]

This post is just riddled with stupid.Well you explain to me what the hell firing Trey Hillman or Chan Gailey is going to do to advance either franchise. They don't have the players dumbass. These coaches are hamstrung by a litany of terrible personnel moves over several years. Explain to me how my thoughts are riddled with stupid?

[dirk digler]

LMAO Awesome.

[Mr. Krab]

This doesn't bode well for the stability of the team, IMO.
Yea

[Thig Lyfe]

I'm glad we waited until two weeks before the season starts to do this.

[sedated]

Everyone liked him because he was "Creative."
So was Hitler.

did you just compare Gailey to Hitler?

[keg in kc]

I wonder how many coordinators have been fired this close to the start of a season.

[Gonzo]

I'm glad we waited until two weeks before the season starts to do this.

Late > Never

[Red Dawg]

Fugg'in A!

[Thig Lyfe]

Late > Never

True...

[Gonzo]

did you just compare Gailey to Hitler?

In a satirical type of way I suppose.

[The Franchise]

Yet.....Krumrie still has a job. Hmmm......

[ChiTown]

http://kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/

Chan Gailey Relieved of Duties as Chiefs Offensive Coordinator
Aug 31, 2009, 10:30:29 AM

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Monday that Chan Gailey has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator. Gailey’s status with the club will be addressed by head coach Todd Haley following the conclusion of today’s practice. Gailey originally joined the Chiefs in 2008. He came to Kansas City after a six-year stint as head coach at Georgia Tech (2002-07).

[dirk digler]

He said he could win more than 2 games with 22 guys off the street,looks like he fully intends to do everything he can so he doesn't eat his words.Right or not,major respect for the guy,and I hope in the long run we one day look back and think ballsy move but it worked.

Yep. I think it is a great move because honestly Chan is a horrible OC and has sucked every where he has been. Haley should start taking over offense and work his magic.

[Sure-Oz]

Haley should definetly go out there and help block and call plays

[BigMeatballDave]

http://kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/

Chan Gailey Relieved of Duties as Chiefs Offensive Coordinator
Aug 31, 2009, 10:30:29 AM

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Monday that Chan Gailey has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator. Gailey’s status with the club will be addressed by head coach Todd Haley following the conclusion of today’s practice. Gailey originally joined the Chiefs in 2008. He came to Kansas City after a six-year stint as head coach at Georgia Tech (2002-07).Wow. Its official.

[COchief]

This is a really strange move two weeks before the opener. We knew Haley was a hot head I guess, hope it works out for the best. There must have been some real issues between these two over the last couple days.

[raybec 4]

Bring back Solari!!! Solari> Hitler!

[TEX]

So now that Herm and Carl are gone, the circus continues...

[Stewie]

Jesus! Haley thought being a first year HC AND calling the plays would be too much. I guess that changed.

[Archie Bunker]

Maurice Carthon will be the O Coordinator this year.

That would be horrible based on his previous stops.

[RJ]

I'm glad we waited until two weeks before the season starts to do this.


They probably meant to do it back in February but forgot what with all the other things that were going on.

[Rain Man]

I bet he initially thought Chan was a Chinese name and he was initially afraid to fire him for legal reasons. Last week in the coach's meeting he finally figured it out.

[CaliforniaChief]

That would be horrible based on his previous stops.

I don't think there's much doubt that while they might hire an OC or promote Carthon, Haley's going to be calling the plays. It's kind of like when I'm watching my son play Madden in a big game and while I watch him call runs on 3rd and 10 I just grab the controller and take over.

[Bill Lundberg]

That would be horrible based on his previous stops.

I'm betting it will be in title only. Hailey will call the plays.

[tooge]

They want to rebuild this thing their way. Not some shotgun offense, Tyler Thigpen running around, botched play offense. Chan runs an offense they dont want, plain and simple. This certainly cant bode well for Thiggy. I expect the chiefs to try to pick up O'Connell from the waiver wire. I think Pioli likes Cassel, Gutierrez, and then Brokie if he has to, otherwisw, O'connell. Chan may have simply not been in agreement with the head brass. Thus, out a here. That's how I see it.

[Chiefnj2]

That would be horrible based on his previous stops.

"Maurice Carthon resigned as Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator on October 24, 2006 after Cleveland managed only seven points against the Denver Broncos. Under Carthon, the Browns had managed a league-low 232 points in 2005 and had only scored 88 points through six games in 2006. Carthon was the third NFL offensive coordinator to be fired during the 2006 season. Fans -- obviously fed up with Carthon -- started the "Mo's Gotta Go" movement in October 2006. A website www.firemauricecarthon.com was created to express some fans' displeasure."

[Nzoner]

Not that this will change anything but that opener in Baltimore is going to be U-G-L-Y,maybe Haley should just let the whole 2nd squad start.

[kregger]

It's all Mike Cox's fault. Chan's guy just cost us the franchise QB. See ya later Mike.

[CoMoChief]

wtf? why would you do this now? especially when Thigpen is about to start?

[Chiefnj2]

Colquitt's agent should be demanding a raise right now. Strike while the iron is hot.

[dirk digler]

Yeah Carthon sucks too as OC. I hope Haley just takes it over

[ChiTown]

I bet he initially thought Chan was a Chinese name and he was initially afraid to fire him for legal reasons. Last week in the coach's meeting he finally figured it out.

LMAO

[Mr. Krab]

Shannahan on the way to KC to be coordinator!!!!!!!!!!!!

[58kcfan89]

Gawd, this is out of nowhere like none other. I want to see what types of plays Haley would call, but I don't want him overwhelmed by it. I hope this works out well, I'd like to know if there's a good reason behind this as well.

[big nasty kcnut]

I guess he couldn't make chicken salad out of chickenshit.

[raybec 4]

I bet he initially thought Chan was a Chinese name and he was initially afraid to fire him for legal reasons. Last week in the coach's meeting he finally figured it out.

Like Donna Chang from Seinfeld?

[Gonzo]

Shannahan on the way to KC to be coordinator!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE DEAL IS DONE!

[MikeMaslowski]

Wow.. guess the coaches were fighting for their jobs too. Who decides to fire coaches? Is this all Haley or does it start with Hunt/Pioli?

[raybec 4]

Shannahan on the way to KC to be coordinator!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK Gang....

[ChiTown]

THE DEAL IS DONE!

To the U-Haul!

[MMXcalibur]

Another thing this tells me is Croyle could be our starter for the Ravens game. Thigpen heavily relied on Gailey's adapting to his style of play. With Gailey out and Thigpen still struggling under center in dropback plays, it all points to Croyle being our #2 and Thigpen in deep shit.

[BigRedChief]

Shannahan on the way to KC to be coordinator!!!!!!!!!!!!
Print Em!

[tooge]

Wait, wait, I got it. Due to collective bargaining agreement, Chan is not elligible to play and coach at the same time. Chans the new right tackle. You heard it here first.

[CHIEFS58]

great. what the fuck is going to happen next?

[Demonpenz]

another season where I can't even be sad. It just goes into full on laughter

[BigRedChief]

Officially Official...sort of
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/

Chan Gailey Relieved of Duties as Chiefs Offensive Coordinator (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator)

Aug 31, 2009, 10:30:29 AM

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Monday that Chan Gailey has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator. Gailey’s status with the club will be addressed by head coach Todd Haley following the conclusion of today’s practice. Gailey originally joined the Chiefs in 2008. He came to Kansas City after a six-year stint as head coach at Georgia Tech (2002-07).

[KC native]

Wow, I wasn't expecting to see this today. I don't have an opinion one way or another but I never really was a gailey fan.

[Rooster]

They probably meant to do it back in February but forgot what with all the other things that were going on.

ROFLROFL Well they have been busy..

[Tiger's Fan]

Well you explain to me what the hell firing Trey Hillman or Chan Gailey is going to do to advance either franchise. They don't have the players dumbass. These coaches are hamstrung by a litany of terrible personnel moves over several years. Explain to me how my thoughts are riddled with stupid?

Hillman is so bad I long for Buddy Bell.

Haley is a better OC than Gailey ever was.

Good enough?

[ChiTown]

Officially Official...sort of
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/

Chan Gailey Relieved of Duties as Chiefs Offensive Coordinator (http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator/2009/08/31/chan_gailey_relieved_of_duties_as_chiefs_offensive_coordinator)

Aug 31, 2009, 10:30:29 AM

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Monday that Chan Gailey has been relieved of his duties as offensive coordinator. Gailey’s status with the club will be addressed by head coach Todd Haley following the conclusion of today’s practice. Gailey originally joined the Chiefs in 2008. He came to Kansas City after a six-year stint as head coach at Georgia Tech (2002-07).

RE-POST, BITCH!
:D

[Hammock Parties]

Gailey's bio has been ripped from KcChiefs.com like an ailing limb.

[MichaelH]

Holy Crap! We go from a regime that won't fire or get rid of anyone to one that cans everything and anyone. I guess Haley wants to be the new Bill Parcells.

[the Talking Can]

hilarious

love the drama

and love that we fucking cut people now instead of coddling them for years

[Buehler445]

WOW!

Just wow.

Gailey did offset some of Herm's sucktitude, but I don't think he was a miracle worker.

I do think that Chan is superior to Haley doing both and Carthon doing...anything. We'll see.

I'm not too high on the move. If there were irreconcilable differences, they should have been addressed earlier.

Minus a broken jaw (the Faid still crack me up!), I don't really see anything that they couldn't have found earlier.
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[MikeMaslowski]

Another thing this tells me is Croyle could be our starter for the Ravens game. Thigpen heavily relied on Gailey's adapting to his style of play. With Gailey out and Thigpen still struggling under center in dropback plays, it all points to Croyle being our #2 and Thigpen in deep shit.

I thought that was kind of the idea before. If this helps get rid of Thigpen faster then I'm ok with it.

[dirk digler]

This beats punching him and slamming his head in the table

[TEX]

From Rotoworld:
"Chiefs coach Todd Haley admits that he doesn't have the personnel to be a "high-powered" offense right now.
It didn't take long for Haley to realize he's sitting on one of the most talent-starved rosters in the league. He's been unhappy with his quarterbacks and receivers and plans to lean more heavily on the running game. We still think the Chiefs will pass quite a bit, but this is an offense to avoid in fantasy leagues."

And Herm said the roster was 85% complete...ROFL

[Mr. Krab]

Maybe Chan wanted to pass too much leading to Cassel getting hurt?
What? He didn't pass much at all. We were almost running a martyball offense.

[DaWolf]

Gailey was acting as the QB coach to, so unless he's being reassigned full time to that role, we need someone to do two jobs now...

[BigMeatballDave]

Holy Crap! We go from a regime that won't fire or get rid of anyone to one that cans everything and anyone. I guess Haley wants to be the new Bill Parcells.I like it! I was OK with Gailey as OC, but I'm glad we have people in there that don't fuck around.

[Rain Man]

Now that I think about it, we should've known. Chan didn't have a Chiefs logo sticker on the side of his head.

[ChiTown]

This beats punching him and slamming his head in the table

Why limit yourself to just one option? Surely he could have accomplished a physical beating and then presented Chan with his release form in the same meeting....
:D

[TEX]

WOW!

Just wow.

Gailey did offset some of Herm's sucktitude, but I don't think he was a miracle worker.

I do think that Chan is superior to Haley doing both and Carthon doing...anything. We'll see.

I'm not too high on the move. If there were irreconcilable differences, they should have been addressed earlier.

Minus a broken jaw (the Faid still crack me up!), I don't really see anything that they couldn't have found earlier.
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This.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

...maybe averaging one TD a game wasn't enough? :hmmm:

[soundmind]

Well, I was a bit surprised by this one. I thought they were just going to weather the season with staff as-is....but I have to admit, this is kind of awesome. I'm actually impressed that they have the mind to change what isn't working. Is it Chan's fault necessarily? No. Could he possibly help this team more from another position right now? Maybe. But 33 points in 3 games isn't the reason this happened, it's the preseason and the OLine sucks. My guess is they realized that the offense was worse than they thought (specifically the line). And instead of letting it fester, they made a broad stroke move.....I like it.

[BigRedChief]

RE-POST, BITCH!
:D
Can't be a re-post. That only applies to thread starters. Read the planet by laws.;)

[Dave Lane]

I'll bet he said see we don't need Cassel we have Capt Thigpen and if you'll just let me put in the pistol we can win!!

[Jerm]

Too bad we couldn't pull Chucky out of the MNF booth to be OC.

Damn Haley is one cold blooded mofo and personally, I love it.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."

LMAO That's the best part of this whole affair; it clearly spells the end of the Hobbit.

[DaWolf]

Well I guess if you are telling the players that they better perform or else, then you have to hold your coaching staff to the same standards...

[Mr_Tomahawk]

LMAOI'll bet he said see we don't need Cassel we have Capt Thigpen and if you'll just let me put in the pistol we can win!!

[Chiefnj2]

Firing your OC two weeks before the start of the season when the two apparent candidates for playcalling are Carthon and a rookie head coach, doesn't seem to be the wisest move.

[mlyonsd]

Good googely moogely. I'll be interested to hear what Haley has to say about it.

[Hammock Parties]

LMAO That's the best part of this whole affair; it clearly spells the end of the Hobbit.

FIND THE HALFLING!

http://gilgamark.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/uruk-hai4.jpg

[wutamess]

Man I'd love to be a fly at 1 Arrowhead Drive.
You know this was followed by an argument of some sort.

[DaWolf]

Firing your OC two weeks before the start of the season when the two apparent candidates for playcalling are Carthon and a rookie head coach, doesn't seem to be the wisest move.

If you had a decent offense, sure. With our offense, it really can't get any worse at this time...

[dirk digler]

If you had a decent offense, sure. With our offense, it really can't get any worse at this time...

Pretty much. I see this as addition by subtraction

[Red Dawg]

Now that I think about it, we should've known. Chan didn't have a Chiefs logo sticker on the side of his head.

That's funny!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

If you had a decent offense, sure. With our offense, it really can't get any worse at this time...

This.

It's not like we have to back to the drawing board. Hell...I don't think we ever found the chalk...

[KCUnited]

I bet Chan told Pioli he was an idiot for not getting some O-line.
I'm guessing its the exact opposite of this.

[Reerun_KC]

Too bad we couldn't pull Chucky out of the MNF booth to be OC.

Damn Haley is one cold blooded mofo and personally, I love it.
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Now there is a though...

[BigChiefFan]

TWO WINS last season, while he coordinated our offense. I'm surprised by the move, but not shocked. I'm glad they aren't going to settle for mediocrity.

[Hammock Parties]

Is it possible Chan signed off on the current line?

"I can win with these guys."

"OK, Chan, do it. You da man!"

SIX MONTHS LATER

"Chan, YOU'RE FIRED."

[Saccopoo]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."

Bingo.

[philfree]

Seriously if Haley put alot of stock in Gaileys opinion about our o line being able to protect Cassel and then he realizes the truth I could see Gailey being fired pretty quick.

PhilFree:arrow:

[Easy 6]

Too bad we couldn't pull Chucky out of the MNF booth to be OC.



Eeewww, Gruden?

He arguably runs the most boring system in the NFL, watching Tampa play was like using Nyquil to wash down valium.

[Chiefnj2]

If you had a decent offense, sure. With our offense, it really can't get any worse at this time...

Last year KC was 16th in rushing (yards), and the Cards were 32nd. Maybe things can get worse.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Last year KC was 16th in rushing (yards), and the Cards were 32nd. Maybe things can get worse.

What was their passing vs ours?

[Anyong Bluth]

am I the only one based on the news release's title that thought after looking at our O-line and our QB going down, that Chan is simply relieved that he won't have to be OC for the season opener when The Ravens rape us back to the dawn of man... aka before the advent of the forward pass... aka Herm's RRPP assault... ?
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[DaWolf]

This may just be a case of Haley saying that he wants to take over playcalling at this time. I still wonder whether Gailey has been fired or if he is sticking around as the QB coach.

It's funny, I was reading some article the other day that mentioned that it looks like the Chiefs still haven't found an identity for their offense, and if you think about it, last year it took us a hell of a long time top find one. I'm thinking that maybe Haley looked at that, looked at the situational playcalling the last two weeks, especially in the fourth quarter where we have a chance to win both games, and thought he could do better. We'll see...

[BigChiefFan]

Seriously if Haley put alot of stock in Gaileys opinion about our o line being able to protect Cassel and then he realizes the truth I could see Gailey being fired pretty quick.

PhilFree:arrow: That's what I think as well.

[Gadzooks]

Haley is just trying to be like Norv. OC and HC at the same time.

[Chiefnj2]

What was their passing vs ours?

As soon as we get an OL that can pass protect, QB like Warner, Fitz, Bolden and the rest of the Cards receivers, KC might be able to have a top 5 passing attack. With so many passing weapons, the Cards should have been able to move the ball on the ground.

[beach tribe]

Eeewww, Gruden?

He arguably runs the most boring system in the NFL, watching Tampa play was like using Nyquil to wash down valium.

That system he built in Oakland wasn't too bad.

[ChiTown]

Is going 4-12 too optimistic at this point?

[Bill Lundberg]

According to Josh Looney on Twitter:

Haley and Nick Sirianni working with QBs at practice...formerly Gailey's position group.

[Easy 6]

That system he built in Oakland wasn't too bad.

He had several years to cherry pick guys that were perfect for it & they executed it well...but it was still a dink & dunk O.

[Amnorix]

Haley was also critical of the quarterback play, saying, “There wasn’t much good happening.”

Coaches always amuse me when they're self-critical, though no one mastered it like the old Tampa Bay coach, John McKay:

REPORTER: What do you think of the offense's execution?

McKay: I'm all for it.


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

[Spicy McHaggis]

Gailey took sub-par talent and actually eeked out a bit of production.

Krumrie took sub-par talent and set a record for futility.

Beating the dead horse here, but still.

[Terribilis]

Is it possible Chan signed off on the current line?

"I can win with these guys."

"OK, Chan, do it. You da man!"

SIX MONTHS LATER

"Chan, YOU'RE FIRED."
this was my thought as well
it would explain why pioli passed on the o-line so much...

[RustShack]

Maybe Mike Martz is on his way to town.

[OctoberFart]

KC is going to get bumrushed week 1. You guys are lucky Cassel is out for 2-4 weeks because he would be out for the year after week 1 if he played.

[Groves]

I think Pioli and Haley, drowning their sorrow with high grade alcohol, were cruisin the Planet yesterday and stumbled upon the pics of Gailey's attire coming to camp last year.


It didn't fit Pioli's vision:
“We’re going to build a big, strong, smart, fast, tough, disciplined, and WELL DRESSED football team and we’re going to do that by going out and finding big, strong, smart, fast, tough, disciplined, WELL DRESSED football players & coaches."

[Chiefnj2]

Chan is getting the blame for: a) McIntosh/Goff/Niswanger, b) not being able to get good production out of 3rd string WRs who have been put in with the first team, c) LJ who had been falling from the least bit of contact, d) backup HB's who fumble without contact, e) Tyler Thigpen not being able to hit water while falling out of a boat.

I hope Haley hasn't bitten off more than he can chew.

[Chiefshrink]

Quite frankly, I think there was a "gentleman's agreement" to disagree between Pioli and Haley about Gailey in the beginning of Haley's hire. It appears in the beginning that Pioli liked Gailey because he was one of the few kept on after Pioli cleaned house and before Haley was hired. But remember, Haley's veins run deep with "black and gold" in his family genes and maybe Haley was the one hanging on to Gailey? Who really knows?

However I do give alot of credence to the fact that although Thigpen is always responsible for his own play that because he did not play well and a trade opportunity was probably lost that either Haley or Pioli or both felt that Chan did not "showcase" Thigpen to his best ability.

[MVChiefFan]

KC is going to get bumrushed week 1. You guys are lucky Cassel is out for 2-4 weeks because he would be out for the year after week 1 if he played.

We'll leave the BUMrushing to you guys.

[Mr. Krab]

Is it possible Chan signed off on the current line?

"I can win with these guys."

"OK, Chan, do it. You da man!"

SIX MONTHS LATER

"Chan, YOU'RE FIRED."
Possible

[sedated]

This may just be a case of Haley saying that he wants to take over playcalling at this time.

maybe Haley just wanted Chan around long enough so that he could handle more head coaching duties. Now that he has gotten his feet wet with all the administrative stuff, he’s ready to go back to calling plays.

Haley is probably also extremely critical of offensive coordinators. I can see not taking much to set him off in a “you are a loser, I could do better than you, blindfolded, the day after a stroke” rant.

[Norman Einstein]

Maybe they will bring in DV to coach the Offense.

[nychief]

this is about play calling. If you listen to Haley post game - you can hear that he was frustrated with the play calling in the first half... terms like "we got away from the ground" etc... I think Haley just decided to call the plays himself and let Chan go get another gig.

[Bill Lundberg]

Gailey took sub-par talent and actually eeked out a bit of production.

Krumrie took sub-par talent and set a record for futility.

Beating the dead horse here, but still.

http://coreygilmore.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Chan is getting the blame for: a) McIntosh/Goff/Niswanger, b) not being able to get good production out of 3rd string WRs who have been put in with the first team, c) LJ who had been falling from the least bit of contact, d) backup HB's who fumble without contact, e) Tyler Thigpen not being able to hit water while falling out of a boat.

I hope Haley hasn't bitten off more than he can chew.

What did Chan do?

[acasas4]

Haley just said if the offense wasn't more productive against the Rams on thursday that he would shit can himself...

[Gonzo]

ESPN Link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4434133

[FringeNC]

Was Gailey fired because he passed too much or too little or because he was a bad QB coach or something else?

My guess is that Haley transitions Sirianni into OC kinda like Belichick with Josh McDaniels (given that Sirianni and and Haley were with the offense at practice).

[TFG]

What did Chan do?



One must wonder if Chan said the OL was "OK" and Pioli and Haley just "trusted" that without watching tape of last year...

[nychief]

Was Gailey fired because he passed too much or too little or because he was a bad QB coach or something else?

My guess is that Haley transitions Sirianni into OC kinda like Belichick with Josh McDaniels (given that Sirianni and and Haley were with the offense at practice).

carthon will get the title... haley will be the play caller.

[The Franchise]

ESPN Link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4434133

I love the picture caption. LMAO

"Chiefs offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, left, and QB Matt Cassel in camp in early August, when Gailey wasn't fired and Cassel wasn't hurt."

[DaWolf]

I love the picture caption. LMAO

"Chiefs offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, left, and QB Matt Cassel in camp in early August, when Gailey wasn't fired and Cassel wasn't hurt."

LMAO

[Mr. Arrowhead]

carthon will get the title... haley will be the play caller.
this

[Mr. Krab]

I just worry about whether Haley is a bit out-of-control and in over his head.

[CoMoChief]

Any bets that Charles and Johnson are lining up in the backfield week 1 because we won't have any QB's left by the 4th qtr.

[Chiefnj2]

One must wonder if Chan said the OL was "OK" and Pioli and Haley just "trusted" that without watching tape of last year...

Does anyone think Pioli and Haley work like that? Just take the opinions of left over coaches on a team that had 2 wins?

[TFG]

Does anyone think Pioli and Haley work like that? Just take the opinions of left over coaches on a team that had 2 wins?


Got a better explanation???


It took Jack (DUH) Del Rio five years to figure out his OL from Coughlin sukked.

[Sure-Oz]

We all know this is a huge mistake, gailey is responsible for calvin johnsons talent at GT

[Hammock Parties]

I just worry about whether Haley is a bit out-of-control and in over his head.

This.

"I'm afraid our head coach has done something...rather rash..."

http://gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net/o1/gamestar/objects/193178_main.jpg

[DTLB58]

Maurice Carthon will be the O Coordinator this year.

This

[Halfcan]

chan ran it straight up the middle one too many times-lol

[Just Passin' By]

I just worry about whether Haley is a bit out-of-control and in over his head.

Good point. You'd hate to have a coach who's ego completely torpedoed a 2-14 juggernaut.

[C-Mac]

So, does this mean Haley will be calling the plays? Or are we going to try to bring in someone else this late?

This is an odd move.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I did notice Saturday night that Haley was calling plays later in the 4th quarter. Wonder if that's when it all came to a head.

[Extra Point]

Krumrie must go, and should have been (if not already) gone before Gailey. I think the feet-wet theory holders that posed Haley's transition to HC and delegating enough to call the plays, are on target.

Having noone stand out at fullback didn't/doesn't help, either.

[tk13]

We'll probably never know the real reason. It could be any number of things, probably some difference in philosophy. That would make the most sense. But it could be anything. Maybe Gailey wants to play Thigpen, and Haley wants to play Croyle. Who knows.

[Chiefnj2]

Got a better explanation???


It took Jack (DUH) Del Rio five years to figure out his OL from Coughlin sukked.

Haley is disappointed with the offense and thinks he can do a better job calling the plays?

It is stupid to think a new GM and new head coach came in and just took the word of the previous OC. And if they did that, they should both hand in their resignation tomorrow. ,

[KCDC]

I just worry about whether Haley is a bit out-of-control and in over his head.

Me too. He wants to be HC, OC and QB Coach. Sounds like a recipe for disaster unless he is a genius with unlimited time. Maybe he can find a way to work 36 hours a day, but this smacks of a Josh McDaniels "I know better than everyone about everything and you can hit the road if you don't think I'm a genius."

[Mr. Krab]

Good point. You'd hate to have a coach who's ego completely torpedoed a 2-14 juggernaut.
cuz that's what i'm saying, you retard.

At some point if a boss just yells all the time, people will tune them out. They same goes for all the drama crap. I'm not trying overreact, but it's a concern. If this shit doesn't work then Haley will lose the team and probably never get it back.

*crosses fingers* hoping for the best.

[ClevelandBronco]

Very weird timing.

[Casselvania]

Maybe it went something like this.

Chan: "Hey, you know, I think Thigpen gives us the best chance to win in week one."

Haley: "F**k you, clean out your desk."

ROFL

[tk13]

cuz that's what i'm saying, you retard.

At some point if a boss just yells all the time, people will tune them out. They same goes for all the drama crap. I'm not trying overreact, but it's a concern. If this shit doesn't work then Haley will lose the team and probably never get it back.

*crosses fingers* hoping for the best.

I usually agree with that concept. But the only difference with these Patriots guys though... to their credit, if you can't handle it, you'll be gone. And somebody else who can handle it will be in your place.

[brophog]

This is fantastic news. I never wanted him here in the first place.

[Sure-Oz]

ROFL

lol @ your name

[morphius]

While there is some argument for Chan not having enough talent, as a fan, I'm just damn happy to see a HC who actually holds his coaches accountable.

[Mr. Krab]

I usually agree with that concept. But the only difference with these Patriots guys though... to their credit, if you can't handle it, you'll be gone. And somebody else who can handle it will be in your place.
*crosses fingers* hopes for the best.

[ct]

I love the picture caption. LMAO

"Chiefs offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, left, and QB Matt Cassel in camp in early August, when Gailey wasn't fired and Cassel wasn't hurt."

classic!

My thoughts on this are pretty simple I guess. Shit wasn't working, let's try some new shit.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

cuz that's what i'm saying, you retard.

At some point if a boss just yells all the time, people will tune them out. They same goes for all the drama crap. I'm not trying overreact, but it's a concern. If this shit doesn't work then Haley will lose the team and probably never get it back.

*crosses fingers* hoping for the best.

Like anyone would miss most of the current members of this team if they got lost. :#

Personally, I hope the housecleaning continues!

[Mr. Krab]

Like anyone would miss most of the current members of this team if they got lost. :#

Personally, I hope the housecleaning continues!
It's not just about current coaches and players. If Haley loses it he might get the rep around the league that could effect his ability to ever be a successful Head Coach.

[Sure-Oz]

I expect gailey to join herm at looking bad on NFL Live

[Chiefnj2]

I usually agree with that concept. But the only difference with these Patriots guys though... to their credit, if you can't handle it, you'll be gone. And somebody else who can handle it will be in your place.

How has that been working for Mangini and Crennel?

[Just Passin' By]

cuz that's what i'm saying, you retard.

At some point if a boss just yells all the time, people will tune them out. They same goes for all the drama crap. I'm not trying overreact, but it's a concern. If this shit doesn't work then Haley will lose the team and probably never get it back.

*crosses fingers* hoping for the best.

Someone from the past regime got fired in the preseason. Why the hell is this a concern?

[the Talking Can]

Seriously if Haley put alot of stock in Gaileys opinion about our o line being able to protect Cassel and then he realizes the truth I could see Gailey being fired pretty quick.

PhilFree:arrow:

that's a solid point....lot of things behind the scenes that we won't hear about until later...

[LaChapelle]

Haley was probably changing the calls as Gailey called them in. Gailey wouldn't be none to happy about that. If you don't like it git the **** out/Haley.

[Hammock Parties]

Can we just can Krumrie and get it over with?

Clean purge.

[DaneMcCloud]

This isn't surprising at all. If anything, I figured it would happen earlier.

Haley's been quoted as saying that he didn't know who would be calling the plays this year. It could be Gailey, Mo Carthon or Haley himself. That pretty much tells me that he just wasn't familiar enough with Gailey as a coach, play-caller and person to be able to make a determination.

Now that he's watched Gailey call plays in three games, he decides to relieve him of that duty. Gailey's "style" isn't meshing with Haley's vision for the Chiefs. I think it's that simple.

In a way, I'm glad because unless coaches have worked together in the past, inheriting another regime's coaches usually doesn't work. And this is a prime example.

There can be no excuses now.

[shitgoose]

I bet Pioli is getting ready to hire Josh McDaniels as soon as he gets let go

[Mr. Kotter]

How has that been working for Mangini and Crennel?

Or McDaniel's inauspicious start in Denver....

[Mr. Kotter]

I bet Pioli is getting ready to hire Josh McDaniels as soon as he gets let go

LMAO

[raybec 4]

Me too. He wants to be HC, OC and QB Coach. Sounds like a recipe for disaster unless he is a genius with unlimited time. Maybe he can find a way to work 36 hours a day, but this smacks of a Josh McDaniels "I know better than everyone about everything and you can hit the road if you don't think I'm a genius."

Bottom line is it's Haley's responsibilty to put the team in the best position to win, if Chan's the OC for the worst offense ever it still comes back to Haley. He has to try and do what he thinks is the best move for the team.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

It's not just about current coaches and players. If Haley loses it he might get the rep around the league that could effect his ability to ever be a successful Head Coach.

I'll worry about that once the season starts going along.

I think some of you are way too worried about Haley's reputation.

I think Haley is exactly what this team needs after the Gunther/Vermiel/Herm era. If the players are that soft mentally, then let them go after this year and bring in new ones. Blow the whole damn team up if necessary.

I want players who do what they're supposed to when they're supposed to. Talent is great, but precision and technique covers a lot of territory also. If they don't like being told what to do, then the hell with them. If their "feelings" get hurt, then let them earn a living doing a real job instead of playing a game.

Not much sympathy here.

Crap, if I had to do it, I'd bring in a bunch of Paris Island DI's to run training camp. :cuss:

[DJJasonp]

Let's hope this is all about Haley "seeing things" in defenses that Gailey was not seeing (and should have) - and resulting in the wrong plays being called.

I know it's a stretch....but at this point, I need any nugget of positive outlook with these chiefs that I can get.

[tk13]

How has that been working for Mangini and Crennel?

Who cares? They aren't our coach. Those guys were overwhelmed... Crennel never had it. Mangini did, but then wrecked it when he got desperate and brought Favre in.

Either way, neither one of those guys are the coach. And I don't disagree, a lot of the Pats assistants have struggled. But we don't have a Pats assistant as a coach. Mangini, Crennel, Weis, and now McDaniels have struggled. But in terms of front office philosophy, the Pats, Dolphins, and Falcons have done very well. We'll see.

[Just Passin' By]

Let's hope this is all about Haley "seeing things" in defenses that Gailey was not seeing (and should have) - and resulting in the wrong plays being called.

I know it's a stretch....but at this point, I need any nugget of positive outlook with these chiefs that I can get.

The defense is improved and the quarterback is in place. Baby steps. :thumb:

[Coogs]

It's not just about current coaches and players. If Haley loses it he might get the rep around the league that could effect his ability to ever be a successful Head Coach.

I get the impression that most of the players on our roster like playing for Haley. Maybe not all, but most.

[LaChapelle]

Gailey leaked the information on Cassel's injury. He should be looking over his shoulder for decades.

[shitgoose]

Chan couldn't stop looking through Thigpen colored glasses so now he is unemployed.

[ChiefMojo]

I don't think Haley/Pioli liked what they were seeing from Chan pure and simple. Haley and Mo are more than capable of calling the plays in "their" vision. I applaud the move!

[Micjones]

This isn't surprising at all. If anything, I figured it would happen earlier.

Haley's been quoted as saying that he didn't know who would be calling the plays this year. It could be Gailey, Mo Carthon or Haley himself. That pretty much tells me that he just wasn't familiar enough with Gailey as a coach, play-caller and person to be able to make a determination.

Now that he's watched Gailey call plays in three games, he decides to relieve him of that duty. Gailey's "style" isn't meshing with Haley's vision for the Chiefs. I think it's that simple.

In a way, I'm glad because unless coaches have worked together in the past, inheriting another regime's coaches usually doesn't work. And this is a prime example.

There can be no excuses now.

Still seems a bit curious to me.
It's not as though Gailey was calling plays from an entirely different scheme.
He was using Haley's playbook.

And no amount of playcalling can cover up the holes we have offensively.

[rambleonthruthefog]

at least these chiefs keep it interesting. they make a trade, swithc up the rotation, demote a player for slacking, pick players off the waiver wire, fire coaches. failure was cool with herm.

[DaneMcCloud]

Still seems a bit curious to me.
It's not as though Gailey was calling plays from an entirely different scheme.
He was using Haley's playbook.

And no amount of playcalling can cover up the holes we have offensively.

Well, in a way, I'm glad.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

This is Haley's deal now.

That comment about 22 players of the street winning more than 2 games is going to bite him in the ass...

[Chiefnj2]

Haley is on track to look better against St. Louis. He'll probably play Croyle who is much better than Thigpen. He'll probably play the entire #1 roster and not send out Copper and other no names with the first string. Thigpen missed a couple of wide open receivers including Darling on what should have been about a 40 yard gain.

[MahiMike]

People can say what they want about Chan, but the guy was able to create an entirely new scheme last year on the fly with Thigpen.

I think this is why he got fired. He wanted to go back to that system and Haley didn't wanna go there.

[Coogs]

That comment about 22 players of the street winning more than 2 games is going to bite him in the ass...

You could be right, but I like a lot of the stuff we are seeing in the games so far. First team defense is looking pretty solid. And Cassel and Croyle have looked pretty sharp running the offense. LJ and Charles look good. Bowe is playing very well.

If TT doesn't run the offense for 3 quarters the other night, I think we beat the Seahawks. Well never know, but that is my opinion.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think this is why he got fired. He wanted to go back to that system and Haley didn't wanna go there.

Then good for Todd Haley.

[Just Passin' By]

Well, in a way, I'm glad.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

This is Haley's deal now.

That comment about 22 players of the street winning more than 2 games is going to bite him in the ass...

Ok, slightly off topic, but you keep referring to this, so:

Oak * 2
Den * 2


wouldn't you expect K.C. to split with each of them?