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Hammock Parties
09-16-2009, 04:07 PM
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<table><tbody><tr><td valign="top">Since head coach Todd Haley arrived in Kansas City, no position has received more attention than wide receiver. Before the draft, the Chiefs inked veteran receivers Bobby Engram and Terrance Copper. In the draft, they were relatively inactive, selecting only Quentin Lawrence in the sixth round. Then it all exploded, as the Chiefs signed veterans Ashley Lelie and Amani Toomer.
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The Chiefs have moved and shuffled receivers around like magnets on a blackboard. Haley even tinkered with the receiver depth chart, periodically moving Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307406), a 1,000-plus-yard receiver a year ago, to the third team. Forget the coaching carousel, KC’s receiving carousel looks more like Cyclone Sam, the once-beloved Worlds of Fun ride, and the ride’s not over.

Tuesday, the Chiefs announced what we all knew over the weekend, the signing of Bobby Wade. Wednesday, they announced the release of Rodney Wright (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307573), a training camp favorite, and the signing of former Cardinals’ receiver Lance Long (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4249493). Wade is a seven-year veteran who spent time in Minnesota, Tennessee and Chicago.

Unlike some of the other receivers Haley brought in this offseason, he seems visibly excited about Wade.

“I think we’ve got to get him quickly into the mix,” said Haley. “Bobby is a guy that I have some background with. He’s got some punt return ability. He hasn’t done it in a while, but he’s done it, and done it at a high level at times, so we’ve got to get him going quick.”

While Haley will probably give Wade a good, long look as a returner, he’s also expecting him to contribute on offense.

“If we are going to use him as a punt returner, he needs to be able to play some other plays, because five or six plays, or whatever it is, at the end of the day isn’t enough,” said Haley. “He was in here late last night working hard and early this morning, so we just got to get him up to speed fast.”

Wade knows Haley is looking for him to contribute immediately, so how can he make that happen?

“It’s just going to be determined on my learning curve,” said Wade. “Obviously, I’m going to put as much time as possible into trying to learn. I’m going to give the best opportunity to get on the field as early as possible. Other than that, it’s just about making plays once I get in.”

Wade is coming from an offensive scheme in Minnesota that centered on the running ability of Adrian Peterson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4208330). In Kansas City, a former wide receivers coach is in charge, and that’s something he’s excited about.

“It’s much different,” said Wade. “This is a really dynamic offense. This offense allows you to do a lot of different things. A lot of players are interchangeable.”

The Chiefs were not the only team vying for Wade’s services. It’s been rumored that up to four other clubs were interested, so why did he pick Kansas City?

“I wanted to be a part of a program that’s about growing,” said Wade. “I want to be a part of a program that’s excelling, that’s not having a possibility of moving backwards, but only having a possibility of moving forwards.”

“I wanted to play with a quarterback that going to be here for a while. Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4210794) is a proven quarterback in this league. This is his opportunity to really shine. I want to be a part of that. I want to be a part of this locker room, this team, and hopefully a part of this city, if everything works out.”

Wade was complimentary towards Haley, who coached him in Chicago for a year.

“I had the opportunity to be drafted, he drafted me there to Chicago,” said Wade. “I had the opportunity (for him) to groom me into a player that allowed me to excel and have an opportunity to be productive in this league, so I’m grateful for what I’ve learned my rookie year. It’s really carried me a long way the past six years.”

CASSEL REPORT

Matt Cassel practiced with a brace Wednesday, but did not fully participate. The media is only allowed to watch 20 minutes of practice each day, and all last week, the quarterbacks did the same simple passing drills. However, this week, the quarterbacks ran a mobility drill where they had to shuffle between bags before throwing. Were the Chiefs putting Cassel’s mobility on display intentionally? During his Tuesday press conference, Haley said the media might notice improvement from Cassel.

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Reerun_KC
09-16-2009, 04:12 PM
media is only allowed 20 minutes? ROFL

The shit media in KC has to be furious over this... Not like they are worth a shit anyways!

Hammock Parties
09-16-2009, 04:13 PM
media is only allowed 20 minutes? ROFL

The shit media in KC has to be furious over this... Not like they are worth a shit anyways!

That was pretty standard under Carl, too, if I remember.

RedThat
09-16-2009, 04:18 PM
This is totally a signing that is purposely meant to fulfill a role.

They're going to give Bobby Wade every opportunity at returning kicks and punts and to play as a slot receiver. Like the signing. I think Wade can contribute, and imo represents an example of how the Chiefs are slowly shaping and rebuilding their roster.

milkman
09-16-2009, 04:23 PM
Matt Cassel practiced with a brace Wednesday, but did not fully participate

Did he or did he not fully participate?

Bob Gretz said he did, and the rest of the story here seems to indicate that he did.

I think someone scewed up.

DumbHillbillies
09-16-2009, 04:23 PM
This is totally a signing that is purposely meant to fulfill a role.

They're going to give Bobby Wade every opportunity at returning kicks and punts and to play as a slot receiver. Like the signing. I think Wade can contribute, and imo represents an example of how the Chiefs are slowly shaping and rebuilding their roster.

Slowly, seems like there is a guy coming/going everday. Not that I'm complaining, I like it. Aggressive change a lot different that what we're use to.

Hammock Parties
09-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Did he or did he not fully participate?

Bob Gretz said he did, and the rest of the story here seems to indicate that he did.

I think someone scewed up.

Cassel was a full participant in drills.


As the Chiefs quarterbacks went through their position drills during the early part of Wednesday’s practice, Matt Cassel was a full participant.

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 04:29 PM
They should be signing O-lineman NOT WR's. For the love of god, that line absolutely sucks. Beyond funny anymore, and Cassel should be the first one offering dinner to em.

RedThat
09-16-2009, 04:30 PM
Slowly, seems like there is a guy coming/going everday. Not that I'm complaining, I like it. Aggressive change a lot different that what we're use to.

Me too. Aggressive is the way to do it. We were so used to seeing how we held on to players with big contracts and the comfort kicked in with those players. Maybe this was the result as why those kind of players didn't perform well?

I like this approach better, at least were looking for guys who may be hungry enough to show that they want a job and more importantly, get a feel for those kind of players to see what they could do for your team.

Marco Polo
09-16-2009, 04:39 PM
They should be signing O-lineman NOT WR's. For the love of god, that line absolutely sucks. Beyond funny anymore, and Cassel should be the first one offering dinner to em.

Okay, genius. Besides Runyan, tell us one OL out there we should sign. I'm listening....

BigChiefFan
09-16-2009, 04:41 PM
Bobby Wade definitely has a good, positive attitude. I'm glad he's in the mix. He's going to shit when he gets to run out of the tunnel on opening day. What a hoot. I'm happy for him and our team for attempting to get better. Let's hope he pans out and helps makes some plays for the CHIEFS.

keg in kc
09-16-2009, 04:43 PM
Maybe they can make some o-linemen magically appear out of the ether.

Micjones
09-16-2009, 04:43 PM
They should be signing O-lineman NOT WR's. For the love of god, that line absolutely sucks. Beyond funny anymore, and Cassel should be the first one offering dinner to em.

You do realize they've brought in 3 Offensive Linemen recently, yes?

keg in kc
09-16-2009, 04:44 PM
He's going to shit when he gets to run out of the tunnel on opening day. I don't think CBS would like that very much.

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 04:47 PM
You do realize they've brought in 3 Offensive Linemen recently, yes?
Hell yeah......keep bringin' em in. The more the merrier. From what I saw sunday, 30 or 40 cast-offs would be better than these stiffs. WR is the least of our worries

TEX
09-16-2009, 04:48 PM
Okay, genius. Besides Runyan, tell us one OL out there we should sign. I'm listening....

I hear ya, but it wouldn't take a genius to do it had it been addressed sooner. It is what it is now and Cassel is where he is because of it...:shake:

Brock
09-16-2009, 04:50 PM
I hear ya, but it wouldn't take a genius to do it had it been addressed sooner. It is what it is now and Cassel is where he is because of it...:shake:

So.....which players?

Just Passin' By
09-16-2009, 04:52 PM
I hear ya, but it wouldn't take a genius to do it had it been addressed sooner. It is what it is now and Cassel is where he is because of it...:shake:

If only they could have tried to bring in a former starter to help on the right side...

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 04:53 PM
For me, it starts with the O-line/D-line. Croyle had ZERO time for even a single check down without having to worry about health issues. Haley needs to concentrate on O-linemen and forget (right now anyway) WR's. No QB's = no wins

BigChiefFan
09-16-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't think CBS would like that very much.It's probably for that very reason, the Raiders are never shown. :D

Micjones
09-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Hell yeah......keep bringin' em in. The more the merrier. From what I saw sunday, 30 or 40 cast-offs would be better than these stiffs. WR is the least of our worries

Who'd you have in mind?

Runyan's available and Philadelphia has said they will likely not sign him.

RedThat
09-16-2009, 05:01 PM
Can some of us at least give some praise for the Chiefs efforts in trying to improve the offensive line, rather then discredit them for not trying. Hey, its not like they aren't aware it is an area of weakness. This whole they didn't improve the offensive line thing or not trying is getting ridiculous.

Micjones
09-16-2009, 05:03 PM
They've certainly tried to upgrade the line since the pre-season began.
Is it enough? Not sure as of yet. Certainly didn't look that way Sunday, but you have to give them credit.
They've made the effort.

milkman
09-16-2009, 05:08 PM
They've certainly tried to upgrade the line since the pre-season began.
Is it enough? Not sure as of yet. Certainly didn't look that way Sunday, but you have to give them credit.
They've made the effort.

The problem is, they didn't do enough to address the O-Line during the offseason.

They made a serious error in judgement thinking they could work with the garbage that was here.

Marcellus
09-16-2009, 05:09 PM
I love how every freaking thread turns into an 0-line bitch fest.

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 05:11 PM
Who'd you have in mind?

Runyan's available and Philadelphia has said they will likely not sign him.

You know........as many cat's that they feel comfortable bringing in, Runyan incl. I just feel all this WR fitting is going the wrong way. After the game, I was disgusted with o-line performance, and wondered if Haley is seeing the same shit we are all seeing. It doesn't appear as they're not trying. They're just not good. (IMO)
Skip the wide-out tryouts and get some freakin' lineman

Micjones
09-16-2009, 05:11 PM
The problem is, they didn't do enough to address the O-Line during the offseason.

Agreed. I think getting a late start though with the new regime might've contributed to that situation though. I think they wanted to see what they had first.

They made a serious error in judgement thinking they could work with the garbage that was here.

Or in thinking they'd have ample time to upgrade it when Fall began.

Micjones
09-16-2009, 05:12 PM
You know........as many cat's that they feel comfortable bringing in, Runyan incl. I just feel all this WR fitting is going the wrong way. After the game, I was disgusted with o-line performance, and wondered if Haley is seeing the same shit we are all seeing. It doesn't appear as they're not trying. They're just not good. (IMO)
Skip the wide-out tryouts and get some freakin' lineman

I think they can do both honestly. We haven't seen O'Callaghan yet so all is not lost at the RT spot.
Slide Ndukwe over one slot and show us the new guy.

Shag
09-16-2009, 05:15 PM
For me, it starts with the O-line/D-line. Croyle had ZERO time for even a single check down without having to worry about health issues. Haley needs to concentrate on O-linemen and forget (right now anyway) WR's. No QB's = no wins

So, you want Pioli/Haley to have tunnel vision, looking ONLY for OL and nothing else, ignoring any potential upgrades at other positions until the OL is addressed? Good plan...

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 05:18 PM
I think they can do both honestly. We haven't seen O'Callaghan yet so all is not lost at the RT spot.
Slide Ndukwe over one slot and show us the new guy.


Absolutely.......do SOMETHING about that line. JFC, don't let the Raiders win. Now were talkin' D-line.

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 05:20 PM
So, you want Pioli/Haley to have tunnel vision, looking ONLY for OL and nothing else, ignoring any potential upgrades at other positions until the OL is addressed? Good plan...

Of course not, foolio. I never said that. Just stop the revolving door for WR's. OK, Haleys great with wide out's......we get it already.

SAUTO
09-16-2009, 05:45 PM
Cassel was a full participant in drills.

ok so how long did the drills last? the media only got 20 minutes. maybe thats all they saw, the drills

HemiEd
09-16-2009, 06:13 PM
This is totally a signing that is purposely meant to fulfill a role.

They're going to give Bobby Wade every opportunity at returning kicks and punts and to play as a slot receiver. Like the signing. I think Wade can contribute, and imo represents an example of how the Chiefs are slowly shaping and rebuilding their roster.

You people are getting me excited, Dane, Parker and Hamas all like him, he must be the shit. :thumb: (didn't mean to leave anyone out, I got 56k memory)

Did he or did he not fully participate?

Bob Gretz said he did, and the rest of the story here seems to indicate that he did.

I think someone scewed up.That got me too, people are playing with words.


They should be signing O-lineman NOT WR's. For the love of god, that line absolutely sucks. Beyond funny anymore, and Cassel should be the first one offering dinner to em.

I have been thinking the same thing, but just maybe the staff feels like this unit can come together.


From what I understand, it usually takes a while for them to know what the guy next to him is doing.

HemiEd
09-16-2009, 06:20 PM
They should be signing O-lineman NOT WR's. For the love of god, that line absolutely sucks. Beyond funny anymore, and Cassel should be the first one offering dinner to em.

Any ideas on who would be an improvement?

bevischief
09-16-2009, 06:39 PM
Has he yelled at him yet?
LMAO

kysirsoze
09-16-2009, 06:54 PM
Well I can agree with Wade that it's impossible for us not to move forward. Where else can we go?

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 06:57 PM
You people are getting me excited, Dane, Parker and Hamas all like him, he must be the shit. :thumb: (didn't mean to leave anyone out, I got 56k memory)

That got me too, people are playing with words.




I have been thinking the same thing, but just maybe the staff feels like this unit can come together.


From what I understand, it usually takes a while for them to know what the guy next to him is doing.

God......I hope so

HemiEd
09-16-2009, 07:01 PM
God......I hope so

I think we can all agree on that.

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 07:01 PM
Any ideas on who would be an improvement?
You know, I'm not sure about availability of O-lineman around the league. Someone mentioned Runyan, and thats fine with me. Just stop already with signing receivers.

wazu
09-16-2009, 07:02 PM
Hard not to get excited about Bobby Wade. We are talking about BOBBY. EFFING. WADE. This is a guy that we know for a fact was on another team's opening day roster THIS YEAR.

I expect to receive an invoice for playoff tickets any day now.

SAUTO
09-16-2009, 07:03 PM
You know, I'm not sure about availability of O-lineman around the league. Someone mentioned Runyan, and thats fine with me. Just stop already with signing receivers.

what problem do you have with them signing WRs? are you terrance copper and scared?

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 07:06 PM
I'm (like most everyone here) elated that Hermie and the clowns are history, so that in & of itself is a step forward.
A poster (Milkman?) mentioned the outright stupidity of spending so much on Cassel and left the line alone. I don't know if they thought it was worth rehabbing or what, but again, IMHO, this line is devoid of talent.

SAUTO
09-16-2009, 07:07 PM
I'm (like most everyone here) elated that Hermie and the clowns are history, so that in & of itself is a step forward.
A poster (Milkman?) mentioned the outright stupidity of spending so much on Cassel and left the line alone. I don't know if they thought it was worth rehabbing or what, but again, IMHO, this line is devoid of talent.

i can agree here (well if your post was pointed at me) but the revovling door for WRs IMO has nothing to do with the activity, or lack of, at the OL position. just speaks to what is out there

RustShack
09-16-2009, 07:08 PM
I can't believe people actually don't like upgrading the roster. Die in a fire fuck face.

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 07:08 PM
what problem do you have with them signing WRs? are you terrance copper and scared?

:ROFL:

Saleenman607
09-16-2009, 07:41 PM
i can agree here (well if your post was pointed at me) but the revovling door for WRs IMO has nothing to do with the activity, or lack of, at the OL position. just speaks to what is out there

Understood......and my premise is....you could have Jerry Rice, Otis Taylor and Frank Pitts on the line and all they would be doing is helping the QB up of the ground. I just feel more attention needs to be paid to O-line at all costs.

Mecca
09-16-2009, 07:50 PM
You can build a competent offensive line without using a bunch of high draft picks, most good teams have done it that way.

htismaqe
09-16-2009, 08:08 PM
I'm (like most everyone here) elated that Hermie and the clowns are history, so that in & of itself is a step forward.
A poster (Milkman?) mentioned the outright stupidity of spending so much on Cassel and left the line alone. I don't know if they thought it was worth rehabbing or what, but again, IMHO, this line is devoid of talent.

The offensive line, outside of left tackle, is one of those areas where hard work, mental toughness, and technique are far more valuable than raw talent.

You can build a competent offensive line without using a bunch of high draft picks, most good teams have done it that way.

Yep.

boogblaster
09-16-2009, 08:14 PM
Glad Wade is here .. yea the O-line needs lots of help .. but you can't just shit good O-linemen ...

DJ's left nut
09-16-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm glad to have Wade, but our WRs weren't bad last week. Bradley was actually quite good. Bowe could've been better, but he wasn't out there dropping a bunch of balls either.

I don't mind the signing, unless it somehow prevents us from getting a viable O-line option.

htismaqe
09-16-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm glad to have Wade, but our WRs weren't bad last week. Bradley was actually quite good. Bowe could've been better, but he wasn't out there dropping a bunch of balls either.

I don't mind the signing, unless it somehow prevents us from getting a viable O-line option.

Bradley made a couple of fairly costly mental errors, but I'm guessing he won't make them again any time soon...

And signing Wade isn't going to affect our ability to acquire o-linemen in the slightest.

DJ's left nut
09-16-2009, 08:58 PM
And signing Wade isn't going to affect our ability to acquire o-linemen in the slightest.

Oh, I agree, which is why I said I'm fine with the signing.

I can't come up with any reason why it would stop us from upgrading the O-line, so I give the acquisition a 'meh' rating. That's a hell of a lot better than "Dammit Scott!"

Hammock Parties
09-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Wade at the very least is going to be a good fourth receiver. I think he's way better than Copper or Lawrence. And if Engram gets hurt, Wade slips into that slot receiver role quite well. Hell, Wade might end up being an upgrade over Engram.

As "bad" as our receivers are, none of them dropped a pass Sunday. Pretty encouraging.

KC kid
09-16-2009, 09:44 PM
Wade at the very least is going to be a good fourth receiver. I think he's way better than Copper or Lawrence. And if Engram gets hurt, Wade slips into that slot receiver role quite well. Hell, Wade might end up being an upgrade over Engram.

As "bad" as our receivers are, none of them dropped a pass Sunday. Pretty encouraging.

Just because the Wrs did not drop any passes does not mean they did a good job getting open

Hammock Parties
09-16-2009, 09:46 PM
Just because the Wrs did not drop any passes does not mean they did a good job getting open

OK, my bad, they suck.

Reerun_KC
09-16-2009, 09:56 PM
You can build a competent offensive line without using a bunch of high draft picks, most good teams have done it that way.

Agree, rounds 3-6 next year need to be all OL... Shit for the next 2 years we need to draft lots of 3-5/6 round OL.

KCDC
09-16-2009, 10:06 PM
Who'd you have in mind?

Runyan's available and Philadelphia has said they will likely not sign him.

Pioli should have signed Pashos, and not let him get away to SF. No use trying to save a buck or two on the offer, Pashos was the only legitimate RT able to start on day one, potentially.

Sweet Daddy Hate
09-16-2009, 10:51 PM
Glad Wade is here .. yea the O-line needs lots of help .. but you can't just shit good O-linemen ...

Damn straight, Boog. We're in a pass-heavy era of the NFL right now, and pass blocking Linemen don't grow on trees.
And we're at the bottom of the fucking barrel to top it all off. What little premier, signable talent that may exist has been snatched already or doesn't want to come here.

Miles
09-16-2009, 11:23 PM
Just stop already with signing receivers.

Why? The OL sucks so ignore other weak as hell positions?

Buehler445
09-16-2009, 11:29 PM
I'm glad to have Wade, but our WRs weren't bad last week. Bradley was actually quite good. Bowe could've been better, but he wasn't out there dropping a bunch of balls either.

I don't mind the signing, unless it somehow prevents us from getting a viable O-line option.

Bradley was a bonehead...TWICE, but that 50 yard bomb was a hell of a pass and catch in tight coverage.

Bowe was drawing ALL the coverage, so I'm not as concerned.

Also, it should be noted that even though no one likes him Engram came up with a huge 3rd down catch.

RealSNR
09-16-2009, 11:34 PM
Agree, rounds 3-6 next year need to be all OL... Shit for the next 2 years we need to draft lots of 3-5/6 round OL.Uh huh.

If we took a highly talented guard or center in the 2nd round and signed a tackle in free agency that would be huge. That's ONE pick spent on the offensive line. That leaves some draft picks left to address the OTHER 7,000 vacuums of talent on this roster.

Drafting nothing but offensive linemen with our middle picks will not make us a significantly better team next season.