Browns firing Kokinis?

[DaWolf]

Rumor: Kokinis escorted out of building in Cleveland (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/02/rumor-kokinis-escorted-out-of-building-in-cleveland/)
Posted by Mike Florio on November 2, 2009 6:35 PM ET
There's a very strong rumor in league circles that the Cleveland Browns escorted G.M. George Kokinis out of the building today, the first business day into the team's bye week.

Jay Glazer has heard the same thing, and he'll be posting something soon at FOXSports.com.

For now, it's a rumor -- but a very, very strong one. (Or just "very". We're on the fence about it.)

Recently, the Browns fired Erin O'Brien, the director of football operations. O'Brien served as coach Eric Mangini's personal assistant when Mangini was the head coach of the Jets.

Kokinis was hand picked by Mangini to be the G.M. In many cities, the General Manager supervises the head coach and holds "final say" authority over the roster. In Cleveland, Kokinis is (was?) second fiddle to Mangini.

There previously had been speculation in league circles that Mangini would throw Kokinis under the bus if necessary to save Mangini's job. If the rumor of Kokinis' departure is accurate, the speculation will now be that Mangini sacrificed Kokinis now in order to get through the rest of the year, and possibly beyond.

[BossChief]

man-genius!!!

[Hammock Parties]

I'll take franchises in worse shape than the Chiefs for 5000, Alex.

[Sure-Oz]

They need to fire their coach too

[BossChief]

I want 1700 fucking dollars for that water, bitch!

[Bowser]

They just promoted Brady Quinn to starting QB/General Manager.

[BossChief]

They just promoted Brady Quinn to starting QB/General Manager.

well, if you suck you might as well suck with your first round pick.

[Bane]

They need to fire their coach too

They have to have a coach first.ROFL

[LaChapelle]

The fans will welcome a brown out.

[smittysbar]

Just got an ESPN update: Browns fire GM George Kokins, who was in first season with team

[stormtrooper]

Mangini is no coach. Its pathetic the Browns even picked him up.

[chiefzilla1501]

Wow.

Franchise FAIL

[smittysbar]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4616312

Cleveland Browns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle) general manager George Kokinis was escorted out of the team's facility Monday afternoon, a television station and newspaper reported, but team owner Randy Lerner said coach Eric Mangini would not be joining him.
WKYC and the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported Monday night that Kokinis was ushered out of the Berea facility by security around lunchtime Monday and believed to be fired. Kokinis was brought in to helm the team after the Browns had hired Mangini, who coached last year with the New York Jets.
It's the first major change for a Browns team that has struggled in all aspects of the game and fell to 1-7 with a 30-6 loss to the Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi) on Sunday. Lerner said Sunday night he is "sick" about the state of his NFL team but he will not make a coaching change.
An upset Lerner told the Plain Dealer and Akron Beacon-Journal on Sunday that he would not fire Mangini during the club's bye week. Lerner did say he would like to bring in a "strong, credible, serious leader" to help run his team.
Lerner did not expand on who that person might be or if that person currently worked for the Browns. He recently brought in former Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar in an unspecified consulting role.


SportsNation: Approval Ratings

http://a.espncdn.com/i/nfl/profiles/coaches/30054.jpg After Sunday's loss to the Bears, only 5 percent of SportsNation approves of the job coach Eric Mangini has done with the Browns this season. Ratings (http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/ratings)



"The highest priority that I have is a strong, credible, serious leader within the building to guide decisions in a far more conspicuous, open transparent way," Lerner said Sunday, according to the Plain Dealer. "I can maybe defend decisions by saying I've sought advice and I've brought people in, and we've gone to see people -- and I think my highest priority is to have a stable figure that represents the voice that explains the decisions."
Mangini said he would be open to such a hire.
"If you can add quality people that can help you get better, then you do that," Mangini said. "You're always searching for those opportunities."
Kokinis was supposed to be that person. Mangini handpicked him to be the team's GM -- both began their careers in Cleveland in the early 1990s when Bill Belichick was coaching the Browns.
A source told the Plain Dealer "Kokinis is a great guy who does not deserve this. He is taking the fall for the team's problems and it's not right.''
The Plain Dealer reported that Lerner had tried to get Kokinis to take a more visible role as the team's GM, encouraging him to be interviewed recently by Sports Illustrated.
Days earlier, the Browns had dismissed Erin O'Brien, the team's director of team operations. O'Brien was an assistant to Mangini with the Jets.
Kokinis, who had 18 years worth of NFL experience , was the final voice on the Browns' 53-man roster.
Mangini's job security was not a topic in Cleveland's locker room, which was mostly vacant Monday.
Linebacker David Bowens (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1911), who played for Mangini in New York, feels the coach's system may not take hold until the team starts winning.
"Part of the problem is we have a lot of guys on this team that have been used to losing, been used to being on teams that have won a lot of games and don't understand the process," Bowens said. "I think just selling out and buying in. I firmly believe in just hard work and execution. The coaches can coach their tails off, they can get two hours sleep a week, but they're not playing the game.
"A lot of mistakes are made by us as players. Once we assess that and just buy in, commit ourselves to each other, I think things will change."
Mangini believes his process for turning around the team will work despite a horrid first half of the season. Mangini said he and Lerner share the same vision for improving the Browns.
Mangini and his coaching staff will spend the next week -- the Browns don't play again until Nov. 16 -- evaluating and analyzing every aspect of the team. Despite Cleveland's offense being ranked 31st overall and scoring just five touchdowns, Mangini has no plans to change offensive coordinator Brian Daboll's duties.
However, he may rely more on quarterbacks coach Carl Smith, a former offensive coordinator with New Orleans and Jacksonville.
Mangini's also holding off on making a decision at quarterback. Derek Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8627) posted a 10.5 rating in Sunday's debacle before he was yanked in the final minutes for Brady Quinn (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10466), who began the season as Cleveland's starter but was benched after just 10 quarters.
Mangini lamented Cleveland's five turnovers, including two fumbles -- one by rookie wide receiver Mohamed Massaquoi (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12581), the other by tight end Steve Heiden (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1822) -- following completions by Anderson that sabotaged potential scoring chances. Mangini felt the Browns were moving the ball and Anderson can't be judged solely on his atrocious statistics.
"You never just want to look at the numbers, you want to always look at it in the context of the game," Mangini said.
Anderson's numbers are impossible to ignore.
According to STATS LLC, his 36.2 QB rating is the lowest of any player through eight weeks since Oakland's Marc Wilson in 1981. Also, Anderson's 320 yards passing in the past four games are the fewest by any quarterback with a minimum of 80 attempts since Chicago's Vince Evans in '81.
Anderson, meanwhile, said he's "not happy about anything."
"I'm not happy that I got pulled out, I'm not happy we lost, I'm not happy about anybody's play, my play, nothing," he said. "I haven't been happy."
Mangini, too, is dismayed by the losing but remains confident the Browns will improve.
"This is a process," Mangini said. "We [Mangini and Lerner] talked about that quite a bit, and that doesn't change. There's things that go along with that and that doesn't mean we're not looking to win every game, it doesn't mean we're not looking to improve each week. On the contrary, that's exactly what we're going to do.
"Randy and I share the same vision and that's something that we talked about and what we do talk about quite a bit is what's the best way to achieve that. I've always had good conversations with him and always will."
Mangini said he shared Lerner's distaste for the Browns' putrid performance so far.
"But I also believe in the things that we're doing and I understand it doesn't happen overnight," he said. "There's not one formula in terms of specific ingredients, but there is a very specific approach that you have to take and I believe in that. It has been successful. It will be successful here."
In acknowledging the disappointment with the season, Lerner has agreed to meet with two longtime season-ticket holders organizing a protest to show their disgust with the team's decade of losing.
Two fans, Mike Randall and Tony Schafer, have been urging fans to stay away from their seats for the opening kickoff of the Nov. 16 nationally televised game against Baltimore. The pair have a meeting scheduled with Lerner on Tuesday morning at the team's headquarters.
Randall, who's also known as "Dawg Pound Mike," plans to present Lerner with over 2,000 e-mails he has received from fans since announcing the "walk-in" protest. Randall says he hopes to persuade the ultraprivate Lerner to speak directly to Cleveland's fan base.
Randall said he and Schafer spoke briefly with Lerner before Sunday's game. In planning their demonstration for before the Monday night game against the Ravens, the fans had hoped to force Lerner and Cleveland's front office to address growing concerns about the club's direction as well as a lack of connection to the Browns' storied past.
"They are listening," Randall said. "We know that Randy cares and we don't want him to sell the team. Our goal is to get him to talk to the fans so we know what's going on. We're going to talk to him about a lot of things from stadium operations to the atmosphere on game days to our frustration that the fans are not being heard."
Randall said he and Schafer would spend Monday night putting together a formal presentation for Lerner, who took over ownership of the Browns after his father, Al, died in 2002. Lerner has been criticized by some Cleveland fans for not being more outspoken and available.
Lerner's ownership of English soccer club Aston Villa has been viewed by some as proof that he doesn't care about the Browns, who are on their fourth coach since 1999.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I don't think there's any doubt that Mangini is one of the biggest two-faced scumbags in all of sports.

He's a complete fucking slimeball, and hopelessly incompetent to boot.

Just another piece of Patriots trash who stole a Brinks truck based on who his boss was.

[ChiefsCountry]

Maybe Clark can trade Pioli to them for their first round pick or Aston Villa soccer team. :)

[Jerm]

I don't think there's any doubt that Mangini is one of the biggest two-faced scumbags in all of sports.

He's a complete fucking slimeball, and hopelessly incompetent to boot.

Just another piece of Patriots trash who stole a Brinks truck based on who his boss was.

Agreed. How this POS ever got a second job let alone his first is beyond me.

Funny that Browns fans think Cowher will come in and be the savior....haha he isn't touching that pile of shit with a 500 ft pole.
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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Maybe Clark can trade Pioli to them for their first round pick or Aston Villa soccer team. :)

Funny how two of the worst franchises in the NFL have owners that are passionate about soccer and are largely believed to care far more about it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Agreed. How this POS ever got a second job let alone his first is beyond me.

Funny that Browns fans think Cowher will come in and be the savior....haha he isn't touching that pile of shit with a 500 ft pole.
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Actually, this is exactly the franchise Cowher would want to take over. Because Cleveland is one of the only places that would be dumb enough to let the GM/Coach thing happen, even though it's failed almost every single time it has happened.

[ChiefsCountry]

Funny how two of the worst franchises in the NFL have owners that are passionate about soccer and are largely believed to care far more about it.

Glazers with the Bucs as well.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Actually, this is exactly the franchise Cowher would want to take over. Because Cleveland is one of the only places that would be dumb enough to let the GM/Coach thing happen, even though it's failed almost every single time it has happened.

I can't believe anyone, in this day and age, would be fucking dumb enough to think they should have total control.

It boggles the mind how out of touch a lot of these dumbasses are.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

At least the Browns have intentionally benched Quinn for long enough to not only ruin his trade value, but screw him out of the bonus that he was owed should he be under center for 70% of the snaps.

A true franchise of scumbags.

[Jerm]

Glazers with the Bucs as well.

Considering Man Utd makes them 10x the money the Bucs do, I'd pay more attention to them too lol.
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[chefsos]

The "ushered out of the building by security" part seems a little odd, does it not?

[Chiefnj2]

Kokinis is the guy a lot of people wanted KC to consider.

[dirk digler]

Kokinis is the guy a lot of people wanted KC to consider.

Yep though in fairness I don't think he had much control. From what they were saying on ESPN he had no idea they were going to trade Braylon Edwards.

Mangini is going to have a hard time finding a job in the NFL after he gets fired this time.

[Brock]

Lerner must be a fucking moron. He hired Mangini, and let Mangini pick the GM. How is this brand new GM responsible for the team sucking at this point?

[smittysbar]

Pretty F'ed up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Kokinis is the guy a lot of people wanted KC to consider.

Really?

I never saw his name come up ONCE.

[smittysbar]

Really?

I never saw his name come up ONCE.

I think it was that Dane guy

[DaneMcCloud]

I think it was that Dane guy

LMAO

[dirk digler]

Really?

I never saw his name come up ONCE.

Your memory is not very good. Just a quick search his name comes up more than once. :D

I like DeCosta as well. Also George Kokinis of the Ravens.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Staff/Player_Personnel/George_Kokinis.aspx

Schnieder was in KC earlier in his career. Only 2-3 yrs if that long though.

[Mecca]

It's obvious hiring Mangini is an easy way to fuck up your franchise.

[alanm]

Lerner must be a ****ing moron. He hired Mangini, and let Mangini pick the GM. How is this brand new GM responsible for the team sucking at this point?I just don't get this at all. No one would take that job as GM unless they have say so as to who their HC would be?

[dirk digler]

I just don't get this at all. No one would take that job as GM unless they have say so as to who their HC would be?

They hired Mangini before they hired a GM

[notorious]

No agent will steer a player towards Cleveland. Their coach is a worthless shitbag that forces his player to do his charity work. They trade away their talent for basically nothing in return. Cleveland is a pile of dogshit as a city to boot.


Hell, the city has one of the most disgusting sexual acts known to man named after it.


I applaud/feel sympathy for their fans, though. They are just as retardedly loyal to their team as Chiefs fans are.

[DaneMcCloud]

Your memory is not very good. Just a quick search his name comes up more than once. :D

Wow, in my search I came up with nothing. People talked about him but no one advocated him. I must have misspelled or something.

My bad.

But Booger's Epic Fail.

:D

[dirk digler]

Wow, in my search I came up with nothing. People talked about him but no one advocated him. I must have misspelled or something.

My bad.

But Booger's Epic Fail.

:D

OTW wanted him :D

Dammit.

I'm rooting for the Ravens, but really want them to lose.

I know that makes no sense, but I'd like Clark to have a shot at DeCosta or Kokinis before February. And if the Ravens win this game, I honestly think they'll make the SB.

[DaneMcCloud]

So has our buddy OTW

Yeah, that was 2007, when no one expected Pioli to leave New England.

Much different circumstances.

And honestly, no one knows what role he had in Cleveland.

Only that he was the second scapegoat this week.

[dirk digler]

Yeah, that was 2007, when no one expected Pioli to leave New England.

Much different circumstances.

And honestly, no one knows what role he had in Cleveland.

Only that he was the second scapegoat this week.

Actually he made that post on 1-10-2009

But you are right he was just a scapegoat or Mangini's lackey. I really hope Mangini gets what is coming to him after the season is over.

[Frankie]

No agent will steer a player towards Cleveland. Their coach is a worthless shitbag that forces his player to do his charity work. They trade away their talent for basically nothing in return. Cleveland is a pile of dogshit as a city to boot.


Hell, the city has one of the most disgusting sexual acts known to man named after it.


I applaud/feel sympathy for their fans, though. They are just as retardedly loyal to their team as Chiefs fans are.

Hey this is LJ's chance to be the next Jim Brown. Let's trade him to the Browns.

Oh, sh*t! The trade deadline has passed.:(

[DaneMcCloud]

Actually he made that post on 1-10-2009

But you are right he was just a scapegoat or Mangini's lackey. I really hope Mangini gets what is coming to him after the season is over.

JFC. My bad again.

OTWP made a similar statement in December 2007 and I didn't even bother looking at the date.

Again, no one knows if Kokinis is worth a shit or not. All we know is that he was fired by Mangenious.

[notorious]

Hey this is LJ's chance to be the next Jim Brown. Let's trade him to the Browns.

Oh, sh*t! The trade deadline has passed.:(

That would be perfect. Sticking LJ on the shittiest team with the shittiest coach in the shittiest NFL city would be a beautiful thing.


Dreams are wonderful.

[Param]

I don't think there's any doubt that Mangini is one of the biggest two-faced scumbags in all of sports.

He's a complete ****ing slimeball, and hopelessly incompetent to boot.

Just another piece of Patriots trash who stole a Brinks truck based on who his boss was.

So you hate the guy because he went for the $?

[Hammock Parties]

I wonder if CLE fans have little cute derogatory nicknames for their overlords.

"God, Cock in us has been fucking us for months now...what a dipshit....we have cock in us and we're being led by a mangina...what a clusterfuck!"

[booger]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4616312

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10311362/Glazer:-Sources-say-Browns-fire-GM-Kokinis-

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/11/02/browns-confirm-firing-of-gm-kokinis

Just posted the links but there's some good info in those articles. Basically rumors of Kokinis talking with ex co-workers w/ ravens about wishing he hadn't taken the job and how to handle it. Apparently the owner knew and asked him to resign and when he didn't, fired him w/cause.

Piss poor fit IMO. Dumb for Werner to be interviewing GM and HC candidates like he did at the same time. That limited who he could get. It just doesn't work well to hire the Coach first.

Next year a team could hire a guy like Holmgren and let him choose his personel guy and give him the title of GM but Holmgren final say.....and that would work because Holmgren would only choose someone he trusts.

Sounds like Konkinis is a guy who may not really like the spotlight. Which is fine IMO, just in the right situation. Like here Pioli made clear the HC would be the face of the organization the day he was hired.

Mangini is just a prick and as their face of the team i'm sure with his personality it makes it that much worse. Apparently Werner has hired former Giants GM Ernie Accorsi as a consultant and also Bernie Kosar in a similar role.

It would be awesome to see the browns hire Vinny Cerato see him fire mangini and Snyder hire him.

here's another good article of a mess of a franchise.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/11/02/redskins-skin-deep-in-chaos

[BryanBusby]

http://i33.tinypic.com/29p8ebk.png

[Titty Meat]

How long before people on here suggest the Chiefs fire Pioli or Haley?

[BryanBusby]

How long before people on here suggest the Chiefs fire Pioli or Haley?

I'm pretty sure it has already been done, multiple times. I would not look at what the Browns are doing as a cue to decide what would be the best choice for the [insert team you follow here].

[booger]

Mangini, Kokinis marriage was doomed from the start
Posted by Mike Florio on November 2, 2009 11:29 PM ET
It's beyond dispute that Browns owner Randy Lerner got it backward in January, when he hired coach Eric Mangini before hiring G.M. George Kokinis.

Under a Patriots-style arrangement, the situation could have worked if Mangini had final say over the roster and the draft, and if Mangini and Kokinis worked together to build consensus on players and draft picks.

But we've been reminded tonight that, in order to finagle Kokinis away from the Ravens, the Browns had to give final say to Kokinis. And the Browns did, at least in theory.

The problem? Kokinis apparently believed that his contract meant what it said regarding the extent of his authority.

And so we're told that Kokinis and Mangini repeatedly butted heads, and that their friendship quickly disintegrated due to their inability to reach an agreement on multiple personnel decisions.

It remains to be seen what will happen next. ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen report that Lerner hopes to hire Ernie Accorsi as a consultant. We've heard some speculation that Accorsi might already be involved, even though Accorsi recommended Kokinis for the job.

In fact, one publication already is reporting that Accorsi will take over as the team's General Manager.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/02/mangini-kokinis-marriage-was-doomed-from-the-start/

[DaneMcCloud]

Mangini, Kokinis marriage was doomed from the start
Posted by Mike Florio on November 2, 2009 11:29 PM ET
It's beyond dispute that Browns owner Randy Lerner got it backward in January, when he hired coach Eric Mangini before hiring G.M. George Kokinis.

Under a Patriots-style arrangement, the situation could have worked if Mangini had final say over the roster and the draft, and if Mangini and Kokinis worked together to build consensus on players and draft picks.

But we've been reminded tonight that, in order to finagle Kokinis away from the Ravens, the Browns had to give final say to Kokinis. And the Browns did, at least in theory.

The problem? Kokinis apparently believed that his contract meant what it said regarding the extent of his authority.

And so we're told that Kokinis and Mangini repeatedly butted heads, and that their friendship quickly disintegrated due to their inability to reach an agreement on multiple personnel decisions.

It remains to be seen what will happen next. ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen report that Lerner hopes to hire Ernie Accorsi as a consultant. We've heard some speculation that Accorsi might already be involved, even though Accorsi recommended Kokinis for the job.

In fact, one publication already is reporting that Accorsi will take over as the team's General Manager.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/02/mangini-kokinis-marriage-was-doomed-from-the-start/

Mangini's a goner.

Brian Schottenheimer next?

[DaneMcCloud]

No agent will steer a player towards Cleveland.

Absolutely, unequivocally, UNTRUE.

How do agents make their money?

COMMISSION.

If the Browns are offering more MONEY, that means more dollars in the pocket of the agent.

If you think that agents think about anyone other than their own well-being, come to LA and spend a week with me.

It'll change your mind in a heartbeat.

[booger]

Yea, that wouldn't shock me.

[DaneMcCloud]

How long before people on here suggest the Chiefs fire Pioli or Haley?

Do you really think that someone at Chiefsplanet would suggest such a thing?

[Dylan]

"...the Cleveland Browns escorted G.M. George Kokinis out of the building... "


They had to call security? http://southeasternfoxbodies.com/forums/images/smilies/ponder.gif

[DaneMcCloud]

:eek: They had to call security?

There are a lot of secrets to protect in Browns headquarters.

First of which is "How to Suck for a Decade".

If that got out, all hell would break loose.

[Dylan]

There are a lot of secrets to protect in Browns headquarters.

First of which is "How to Suck for a Decade".

If that got out, all hell would break loose.

LMAO

[BryanBusby]

There are a lot of secrets to protect in Browns headquarters.

First of which is "How to Suck for a Decade".

If that got out, all hell would break loose.

"No way can we let word on how to release staph infection get out! After him security!"

The Browns will be hard pressed to snag in Free Agents that aren't on their last leg looking for that final payday. The only improvement the Browns hold over the Raiders is one team has Al Davis, another does not.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Mangini: A guy with the coaching prowess of Rich Kotite, the personnel skills of Matt Millen, and the interpersonal skills of a serial killer.

What better guy to get to run your franchise :shake:

[Hammock Parties]

Mangini: A guy with the coaching prowess of Rich Kotite, the personnel skills of Matt Millen, and the interpersonal skills of a serial killer.

What better guy to get to run your franchise :shake:

He's fat and ugly, too.

And he has a terrible speaking voice. Mushmouth.

He's like the worst head coach in NFL history.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He's fat and ugly, too.

And he has a terrible speaking voice. Mushmouth.

He's like the worst head coach in NFL history.

Kotite took teams to the playoffs in multiple years, and won in the playoffs.

He didn't truly become Kotite until his second job. He's definitely nearing Rod Rust, Art Shell, or Joe Bugel levels of incompetence.

[Hammock Parties]

Kotite took teams to the playoffs in multiple years, and won in the playoffs.

He didn't truly become Kotite until his second job.

Kotite was the white Herm!

In all seriousness, I'd love to know what Mangini's credentials as even a defensive coordinator were. I wonder how he'd fare as a DC without Belichick.

[salame]

http://i25.tinypic.com/20hvzme.jpg

[ILChief]

So, Cleveland needs a GM?

This guy is available:

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/carl_d_peterson.jpg

[notorious]

Absolutely, unequivocally, UNTRUE.

How do agents make their money?

COMMISSION.

If the Browns are offering more MONEY, that means more dollars in the pocket of the agent.

If you think that agents think about anyone other than their own well-being, come to LA and spend a week with me.

It'll change your mind in a heartbeat.

Sorry, let me repharase:

Very few free-agents will steer their players towards Cleveland.

If there is money elsewhere, why would anyone want to go there?

It is a cold, shithole town with piss-poor leadership/ownership.

That is a fact.

[Chiefnj2]

NFL commissions are only 3%. Agents get more money with advertising deals, etc.

[Titty Meat]

Do you really think that someone at Chiefsplanet would suggest such a thing?

People are here said trading Thigpen was stupid, so yes.

[DaneMcCloud]

Sorry, let me repharase:

Very few free-agents will steer their players towards Cleveland.

If there is money elsewhere, why would anyone want to go there?

It is a cold, shithole town with piss-poor leadership/ownership.

That is a fact.

Players generally go to the highest bidder unless there are personal reasons involved (i.e., family).

Free agency will be all but irrelevant this year due to the upcoming uncapped year, so it's really a moot point.

The Browns have quite a few extra draft choices from their many trades and with a defensive heavy draft coming up, they could really solidify that side of the ball.