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Hammock Parties
11-03-2009, 03:43 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/915708.html

With the bye week finished and the Chiefs preparing for the Jacksonville Jaguars, surely we’ll see some changes this Sunday. When you’re 1-6, it screams for change, doesn’t it?

It’s unlikely we’ll see Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4210794) benched, however. A surprising change in KC’s offense akin to the shift we witnessed a year ago under Chan Gailey is also probably out of the question.

But a team that ranks 31st in offense and 27th in defense has to throw a changeup at some point, right? Surely Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332) and Todd Haley, desperately needing to convince legions of potential season ticket-holders that they know what they’re doing, won’t stand pat as we begin the season’s second half.

Nah, they couldn’t possibly do that. Here’s five changes we hope to see in the coming weeks – hopefully starting as soon as this Sunday in Jacksonville.


1. Reduce Sean Ryan (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307547)’s blocking responsibilities

It’s unclear just who decided Ryan could pass block before the season, but after seven games, he’s something of a spiritual heir to the throne of Jordan Black (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4302227), a former Kansas City offensive tackle who led the league in sacks allowed in 2006. It’s impossible to find blocking statistics for tight ends, but just based on video review Ryan has to be responsible for four or five sacks already this year. That’s pitiful considering he’s not involved in protection on every pass play.

For some reason, the Chiefs felt it was a good idea in weeks past to assign Ryan to players like Demarcus Ware (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4354176), Brian Orakpo (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4314109) and Osi Umenyiora (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4208124), and we’re talking single blocking – Ryan wasn’t helping out a tackle, although he manages to do a poor job of that, too. Ryan’s run blocking isn’t great, but compared to his pass blocking, he looks like Jason Dunn (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980199).

Meanwhile, Ryan’s production as a receiving tight end (14 catches, two touchdowns) hasn’t been half bad. It’s pretty clear at this point he’s fairly useless in protection, and a 29-year old journeyman isn’t suddenly going to change his game over the last nine weeks. So why is he doing anything but running routes when Cassel drops back to pass? Let’s hope we see more of that and less of Ryan whiffing badly against the opposition’s top pass rusher starting Sunday.


2. Bench Mike Goff (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307449)

If Goff is an upgrade over KC’s terrible right guard from 2008, Adrian Jones (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4353007), it’s only by the slimmest of margins. So far, there’s been no other player who calls into question the talent evaluation skills of Scott Pioli more, because clearly the Chiefs thought they were getting a steady veteran lineman to solidify their interior line. Goff has been anything but, and is a total disaster on more than his share of plays. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/74/743891.jpg
Mike Goff - over the hill?
Jamie Squire - Getty </td></tr></tbody></table> Despite his sizable bulk, Goff is no threat to move anyone in the running game consistently. Quite the opposite is true, in fact, as it’s been common to see Goff hold a block at the line of scrimmage for an instant before his defender slides off the contact and brings down a running back trying to make it through a hole. When Goff is asked to get out and block someone on the move, he’s as slow as you’d expect a large 12-year veteran to be and the end results are often lackluster. Roll back some tape and you’ll see Goff getting destroyed by linebackers as he pulls.

The real embarrassment is when the Chiefs call a pass play, however. Goff isn’t quick enough to stay with the league’s more nimble defensive tackles and even though he easily passes the eye test for an NFL guard, he gives up plenty of ground to even average defensive tackles. Asking him to pick up a blitzing linebacker coming from the outside is a real adventure. Give some Goff credit, though - he's KC's least penalized lineman, and his lone penalty shames the six left guard Brian Waters (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307563) has committed.

Who knows where the answer lies at right guard. Maybe it’s Andy Alleman (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=9538) or Ike Ndukwe, who currently aren’t giving the Chiefs much at all despite the fact Pioli hurriedly traded for both before the season began. But what’s the point of letting a soon-to-be 34-year old guard continue to fail when the team is 1-6? If Goff starts the remaining nine games, maybe someone was a little too proud of his acquisition this offseason.


3. Fire up the Studebaker

For a brief moment in time this preseason, Andy Studebaker (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307553) reminded Chiefs fans of Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4176250) – a tall, white, non-stop-motor defender who came out of nowhere and loved getting after the quarterback. Studebaker grabbed a couple quarterback sacks in August and then promptly disappeared from the playing rotation on KC’s defense? Why?

Mike Vrabel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307561), for all his knowledge, hasn’t lit KC’s pass rush on fire. In fact, Vrabel’s declining abilities make Tamba Hali (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307451) look like Derrick Thomas when it’s third and long. Vrabel has little burst off the edge to scare an offensive tackle and even backs have handled him just fine in pass protection. If he gets a sack it’s because the quarterback held the ball.

Does Studebaker have a burst? Does he even have a pass-rush move? Who knows, but with the lack of heat the Chiefs have put on opposing quarterbacks, it makes sense to give someone else a shot at outside linebacker. Studebaker is big enough to hold up against tackles, and he has long arms. Put him on the field for 20 plays a game and see what happens. At the least, Mitch Holthus will have fun with Andy’s last name.


4. Start DaJuan Morgan (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307540)

Show me a replay of the Chiefs giving up a huge chunk of yards, and I’ll show you a slow, un-athletic safety failing to make the play. Clancy Pendergast has started some combination of Jarrad Page (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307542), Mike Brown (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4414209) and Jon McGraw (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4224701) all season long, and in every game their lack of speed and quickness has hurt KC’s defense. Last week, San Diego's Darren Sproles (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4321041) put clown shoes on both Brown and McGraw on several occasions. It was almost as if they were moving in slow motion. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/66/663137.jpg
Morgan - ready for action?
Kevin C. Cox - Getty </td></tr></tbody></table> It’s easy to put one slow safety on the field and play good defense – just ask any of John Lynch’s defensive coaches – but starting two in every game for half a season is just asking for opposing offensive coordinators to lick their chops and dial up the deep pass plays. Do you think it’s any coincidence the Chargers went deep early and often in KC’s last game? Norv Turner probably saw McGraw and Brown on tape and started giggling.

Of course, it’s one thing for a safety to run like a fullback and change direction like a kicker. It’s another thing entirely for a safety to miss tackles, and the Chiefs’ safeties have done plenty of that. All of this leads to one inevitable conclusion – put DaJuan Morgan on the field and see if he can play.

At minimum, Morgan’s athletic ability and speed will give opposing offenses pause before they challenge the Chiefs deep. If everything works out and Morgan lives up to his billing – he was once thought to be the most talented safety in his draft class – KC’s defense will have a real complement to their solid young corners, Brandon Carr (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307408) and Brandon Flowers (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307445).

We saw Morgan perform in preseason – interceptions, solid in-the-box run defense. The Chiefs are 1-6, give up gobs of passing yards every week and are tied for the league low in interceptions (three). Make a change or continue wasting time with defensive backs who couldn’t beat Matt Cassel in a footrace.


5. Deactivate Larry Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307530) permanently

The Chiefs say they’ve resolved the matter of disciplining Johnson. We can only hope that means they plan to glue his overpaid, offensive and immature posterior to the bench for the rest of 2009, because nobody in their right mind wants to see him on the playing field at Arrowhead Stadium ever again.

We’ve been through this before, but once again – what value does Johnson bring to the Chiefs? Todd Haley can probably find 22 running backs off the street who can average 2.7 yards per carry and put together what is shaping up to be the worst season by a starting running back in league history (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/29/1107029/larry-johnson-having-worst-season). Johnson’s skills as a blocker have improved, but if he wants out of Kansas City now, will his heart be in it?

Giving Johnson even one carry is dangerous. The planets could align, opposing defenders could be paid off, the entire Chiefs’ offensive line could block perfectly in sync for the first time this season, and LJ could break free for 75 yards, burying Priest Holmes’ rushing record forever. Since the number of Larry Johnson fans currently in existence probably couldn’t fill one section of Arrowhead Stadium, it’s not hard to come to the conclusion that it's against the Chiefs' best interests to see a major record fall into his hands.

Johnson has burned bridges with many of his most die-hard, long-time fans, people who supported him well before he was starting games in place of Holmes. They are offloading Johnson-autographed merchandise by the truckload, burning jerseys and signing anti-LJ petitions en masse. Are the Chiefs ready for thousands of people booing Johnson every time he takes a handoff or scores a touchdown (you know, if hell freezes over)? The stage is set for one of the ugliest scenes in Kansas City sports history.

We don’t need to reiterate the horrible message playing Johnson – or God forbid, starting him – would send to the rest of KC’s roster. How can “The Right 53” possibly include an unproductive player who tears down his fans online and embarrasses the organization in front of the media? If the Chiefs have one logical brain among them, Johnson shouldn’t run between the red coaters ever again.

HemiEd
11-03-2009, 03:58 PM
:thumb: Just do it!

Fish
11-03-2009, 04:05 PM
You know... I'm tired of hearing the "Don't let LJ break the record" whining. That is stupid if you asked me. Team records aren't awarded on fan approval. It has nothing to do with the fans. Records are acquired by performance on the field. Larry put in his time, despite the crybaby BS and bipolar antics. He ran for every one of those yards, no matter if you like him or not. Personally, I've come to hate the guy. I wish we'd cut him. But as far as him breaking the record, that should have nothing to do with what the fans think. If Haley or Pioli wants to step in and cut him first, that's fine and I approve of that. But saying don't let LJ get the record, because we don't like him anymore is selfish and petty. Especially when quite a few of those saying this were once slobbering his knob.

blazzin311
11-03-2009, 04:10 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/915708.html

With the bye week finished and the Chiefs preparing for the Jacksonville Jaguars, surely we’ll see some changes this Sunday. When you’re 1-6, it screams for change, doesn’t it?

It’s unlikely we’ll see Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4210794) benched, however. A surprising change in KC’s offense akin to the shift we witnessed a year ago under Chan Gailey is also probably out of the question.

But a team that ranks 31st in offense and 27th in defense has to throw a changeup at some point, right? Surely Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332) and Todd Haley, desperately needing to convince legions of potential season ticket-holders that they know what they’re doing, won’t stand pat as we begin the season’s second half.

Nah, they couldn’t possibly do that. Here’s five changes we hope to see in the coming weeks – hopefully starting as soon as this Sunday in Jacksonville.


1. Reduce Sean Ryan (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307547)’s blocking responsibilities

It’s unclear just who decided Ryan could pass block before the season, but after seven games, he’s something of a spiritual heir to the throne of Jordan Black (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4302227), a former Kansas City offensive tackle who led the league in sacks allowed in 2006. It’s impossible to find blocking statistics for tight ends, but just based on video review Ryan has to be responsible for four or five sacks already this year. That’s pitiful considering he’s not involved in protection on every pass play.

For some reason, the Chiefs felt it was a good idea in weeks past to assign Ryan to players like Demarcus Ware (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4354176), Brian Orakpo (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4314109) and Osi Umenyiora (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4208124), and we’re talking single blocking – Ryan wasn’t helping out a tackle, although he manages to do a poor job of that, too. Ryan’s run blocking isn’t great, but compared to his pass blocking, he looks like Jason Dunn (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2980199).

Meanwhile, Ryan’s production as a receiving tight end (14 catches, two touchdowns) hasn’t been half bad. It’s pretty clear at this point he’s fairly useless in protection, and a 29-year old journeyman isn’t suddenly going to change his game over the last nine weeks. So why is he doing anything but running routes when Cassel drops back to pass? Let’s hope we see more of that and less of Ryan whiffing badly against the opposition’s top pass rusher starting Sunday.


2. Bench Mike Goff (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307449)

If Goff is an upgrade over KC’s terrible right guard from 2008, Adrian Jones (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4353007), it’s only by the slimmest of margins. So far, there’s been no other player who calls into question the talent evaluation skills of Scott Pioli more, because clearly the Chiefs thought they were getting a steady veteran lineman to solidify their interior line. Goff has been anything but, and is a total disaster on more than his share of plays. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/74/743891.jpg
Mike Goff - over the hill?
Jamie Squire - Getty </td></tr></tbody></table> Despite his sizable bulk, Goff is no threat to move anyone in the running game consistently. Quite the opposite is true, in fact, as it’s been common to see Goff hold a block at the line of scrimmage for an instant before his defender slides off the contact and brings down a running back trying to make it through a hole. When Goff is asked to get out and block someone on the move, he’s as slow as you’d expect a large 12-year veteran to be and the end results are often lackluster. Roll back some tape and you’ll see Goff getting destroyed by linebackers as he pulls.

The real embarrassment is when the Chiefs call a pass play, however. Goff isn’t quick enough to stay with the league’s more nimble defensive tackles and even though he easily passes the eye test for an NFL guard, he gives up plenty of ground to even average defensive tackles. Asking him to pick up a blitzing linebacker coming from the outside is a real adventure. Give some Goff credit, though - he's KC's least penalized lineman, and his lone penalty shames the six left guard Brian Waters (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307563) has committed.

Who knows where the answer lies at right guard. Maybe it’s Andy Alleman (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=9538) or Ike Ndukwe, who currently aren’t giving the Chiefs much at all despite the fact Pioli hurriedly traded for both before the season began. But what’s the point of letting a soon-to-be 34-year old guard continue to fail when the team is 1-6? If Goff starts the remaining nine games, maybe someone was a little too proud of his acquisition this offseason.


3. Fire up the Studebaker

For a brief moment in time this preseason, Andy Studebaker (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307553) reminded Chiefs fans of Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4176250) – a tall, white, non-stop-motor defender who came out of nowhere and loved getting after the quarterback. Studebaker grabbed a couple quarterback sacks in August and then promptly disappeared from the playing rotation on KC’s defense? Why?

Mike Vrabel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307561), for all his knowledge, hasn’t lit KC’s pass rush on fire. In fact, Vrabel’s declining abilities make Tamba Hali (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307451) look like Derrick Thomas when it’s third and long. Vrabel has little burst off the edge to scare an offensive tackle and even backs have handled him just fine in pass protection. If he gets a sack it’s because the quarterback held the ball.

Does Studebaker have a burst? Does he even have a pass-rush move? Who knows, but with the lack of heat the Chiefs have put on opposing quarterbacks, it makes sense to give someone else a shot at outside linebacker. Studebaker is big enough to hold up against tackles, and he has long arms. Put him on the field for 20 plays a game and see what happens. At the least, Mitch Holthus will have fun with Andy’s last name.


4. Start DaJuan Morgan (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307540)

Show me a replay of the Chiefs giving up a huge chunk of yards, and I’ll show you a slow, un-athletic safety failing to make the play. Clancy Pendergast has started some combination of Jarrad Page (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307542), Mike Brown (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4414209) and Jon McGraw (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4224701) all season long, and in every game their lack of speed and quickness has hurt KC’s defense. Last week, San Diego's Darren Sproles (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4321041) put clown shoes on both Brown and McGraw on several occasions. It was almost as if they were moving in slow motion. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="225"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/66/663137.jpg
Morgan - ready for action?
Kevin C. Cox - Getty </td></tr></tbody></table> It’s easy to put one slow safety on the field and play good defense – just ask any of John Lynch’s defensive coaches – but starting two in every game for half a season is just asking for opposing offensive coordinators to lick their chops and dial up the deep pass plays. Do you think it’s any coincidence the Chargers went deep early and often in KC’s last game? Norv Turner probably saw McGraw and Brown on tape and started giggling.

Of course, it’s one thing for a safety to run like a fullback and change direction like a kicker. It’s another thing entirely for a safety to miss tackles, and the Chiefs’ safeties have done plenty of that. All of this leads to one inevitable conclusion – put DaJuan Morgan on the field and see if he can play.

At minimum, Morgan’s athletic ability and speed will give opposing offenses pause before they challenge the Chiefs deep. If everything works out and Morgan lives up to his billing – he was once thought to be the most talented safety in his draft class – KC’s defense will have a real complement to their solid young corners, Brandon Carr (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307408) and Brandon Flowers (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307445).

We saw Morgan perform in preseason – interceptions, solid in-the-box run defense. The Chiefs are 1-6, give up gobs of passing yards every week and are tied for the league low in interceptions (three). Make a change or continue wasting time with defensive backs who couldn’t beat Matt Cassel in a footrace.


5. Deactivate Larry Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307530) permanently

The Chiefs say they’ve resolved the matter of disciplining Johnson. We can only hope that means they plan to glue his overpaid, offensive and immature posterior to the bench for the rest of 2009, because nobody in their right mind wants to see him on the playing field at Arrowhead Stadium ever again.

We’ve been through this before, but once again – what value does Johnson bring to the Chiefs? Todd Haley can probably find 22 running backs off the street who can average 2.7 yards per carry and put together what is shaping up to be the worst season by a starting running back in league history (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/10/29/1107029/larry-johnson-having-worst-season). Johnson’s skills as a blocker have improved, but if he wants out of Kansas City now, will his heart be in it?

Giving Johnson even one carry is dangerous. The planets could align, opposing defenders could be paid off, the entire Chiefs’ offensive line could block perfectly in sync for the first time this season, and LJ could break free for 75 yards, burying Priest Holmes’ rushing record forever. Since the number of Larry Johnson fans currently in existence probably couldn’t fill one section of Arrowhead Stadium, it’s not hard to come to the conclusion that it's against the Chiefs' best interests to see a major record fall into his hands.

Johnson has burned bridges with many of his most die-hard, long-time fans, people who supported him well before he was starting games in place of Holmes. They are offloading Johnson-autographed merchandise by the truckload, burning jerseys and signing anti-LJ petitions en masse. Are the Chiefs ready for thousands of people booing Johnson every time he takes a handoff or scores a touchdown (you know, if hell freezes over)? The stage is set for one of the ugliest scenes in Kansas City sports history.

We don’t need to reiterate the horrible message playing Johnson – or God forbid, starting him – would send to the rest of KC’s roster. How can “The Right 53” possibly include an unproductive player who tears down his fans online and embarrasses the organization in front of the media? If the Chiefs have one logical brain among them, Johnson shouldn’t run between the red coaters ever again.


Can't really say I dsagree with any of this. It's pretty accurate as far as I'm concerned and from what I have seen so far from the Chiefs this year.

talastan
11-03-2009, 04:15 PM
Great article!! :thumb: I completely agree with this one. Studebaker hasn't played in so long I forgot about him altogether. He defintely seemed in preseason to have a decent motor on him. His coverage skills would be my only concern.

stevieray
11-03-2009, 04:16 PM
Change? they need a new CULTURE.

We've been waiting forty years for change ie.. winning a championship.

something in my gut says it is do or die these next couple of years...if they just keep on keepin on...a lot of die hards are gonna blow them off(IMO)..new stadium or not...I hope that Clark realizes that the lack of decent team that can progress in the playoffs is wearing thin on a lot of people...after a while it's just disheartening.

as it stands now, they are lucky the tailgate is still fun to a lot of fans...and even then..there is no energy in the lots(expected)

:shake:

Mr. Flopnuts
11-03-2009, 04:17 PM
One of the best articles I've read from that site.

Lumpy
11-03-2009, 04:18 PM
Change? Not this season, but maybe next. All hope for improvement is a day late and a dollar short.

Sure-Oz
11-03-2009, 04:20 PM
Listening to Teicher on the radio he certainly believes LJ will play again this season

chiefzilla1501
11-03-2009, 04:38 PM
Agree on all points. The one area I'll probably disagree with you is Vrabel. I like that Vrabel has apparently been very proactive in helping Tyson Jackson out when he's on the field. Vrabel will make Jackson better. And while he's been invisible in the pass rush, which I think has largely been due to inconsistent play by Jackson, he's actually been very good and very disciplined against the run.

If there are two LBs who need less time, in my opinion, it's less Demorrio Williams and more DJ, and less Corey Mays and more Javon Belcher.

BossChief
11-03-2009, 05:24 PM
you guys are actually starting to get some good articles out lately, what caused the change from complete crap to not bad?

Outside of the "shannahan is still in the picture" article and maybe a couple others you guys havent been complete fail lately.

what gives?

Hammock Parties
11-03-2009, 05:42 PM
you guys are actually starting to get some good articles out lately, what caused the change from complete crap to not bad?

Outside of the "shannahan is still in the picture" article and maybe a couple others you guys havent been complete fail lately.

what gives?

Fuck you for being both incompetent and ignorant.

Coogs
11-03-2009, 06:04 PM
Fuck you for being both incompetent and ignorant.

Geez! Just because he thinks you guys have had a couple of decent articles at WPI lately, you don't have to get rude. :)

KCDC
11-03-2009, 06:30 PM
Excellent article

MichaelH
11-03-2009, 06:34 PM
I disagree about Vrabel. If it wasn't for him on defense, there would be no defense. Yeah Hali is getting pressure but he's not as quick or smart as Vrabel. Wherever the play goes, Vrabel is there most of the time.

stormtrooper
11-03-2009, 07:32 PM
Dont forget starting Dj

Hammock Parties
11-03-2009, 07:35 PM
Dont forget starting Dj

Not enough information to determine if starting DJ is really worth it at this point.

It's not like Demorrio Williams is a huge liability.

LaChapelle
11-03-2009, 07:41 PM
They're moving LJ to punt returner. Every fair catch means he loses his bonus for dressing each game.

bowener
11-03-2009, 07:53 PM
Change? they need a new CULTURE.

We've been waiting forty years for change ie.. winning a championship.

something in my gut says it is do or die these next couple of years...if they just keep on keepin on...a lot of die hards are gonna blow them off(IMO)..new stadium or not...I hope that Clark realizes that the lack of decent team that can progress in the playoffs is wearing thin on a lot of people...after a while it's just disheartening.

as it stands now, they are lucky the tailgate is still fun to a lot of fans...and even then..there is no energy in the lots(expected)

:shake:

What is really going to happen if they take much longer is most of their hardcore fans are going to die out or move on. Think about it, why would kids growing that last few years feel any kind of devotion to the Chiefs, even if they are the hometown team? Im basically not a Royals fan for this reason (well mostly because I always loved football more than baseball).

BossChief
11-03-2009, 07:57 PM
**** you for being both incompetent and ignorant.

damn, for a complement?

well, fuck you too then bitch!!!ROFL

Easy 6
11-03-2009, 08:13 PM
Count me in for Morgan starting, atleast an athlete has the ability to make up for those mistakes, either during a play or on the next one. Lotsa brain & no burst in our deep backfield.

Larry, its like Sodom & Gomorrah ya see... dont even look back or you'll turn to a pillar of cakn. He doesnt deserve the honor of that record.

Goff is 'The Wrestler' without the roids = washed up, over & out.

OnTheWarpath15
11-03-2009, 10:42 PM
Probably your best work, Clay.

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2009, 12:47 AM
Not enough information to determine if starting DJ is really worth it at this point.

It's not like Demorrio Williams is a huge liability.

How can this be?

You argued the opposite with me in late September and early October actually, ad nauseam.

Hammock Parties
11-04-2009, 12:51 AM
How can this be?

You argued the opposite with me in late September and early October actually, ad nauseam.

It was well before that as I recall. It's pretty well established now that DJ hasn't bought into the system. So, fuck him.

DaneMcCloud
11-04-2009, 12:54 AM
It was well before that as I recall. It's pretty well established now that DJ hasn't bought into the system. So, fuck him.

Was it? I'm asking because I honestly don't remember. It seems like it was around the 2nd, 3rd - maybe 4th game of the season.

As I've said all along, four-plus seasons is enough to evaluate the guy. And he's just not a football player.

He's a guy that plays football.

And IMO, a bust. Especially considering some of the players that went after he was chosen (ahem, Aaron Rodgers).

Blick
11-04-2009, 02:34 AM
You know... I'm tired of hearing the "Don't let LJ break the record" whining. That is stupid if you asked me. Team records aren't awarded on fan approval. It has nothing to do with the fans. Records are acquired by performance on the field. Larry put in his time, despite the crybaby BS and bipolar antics. He ran for every one of those yards, no matter if you like him or not. Personally, I've come to hate the guy. I wish we'd cut him. But as far as him breaking the record, that should have nothing to do with what the fans think. If Haley or Pioli wants to step in and cut him first, that's fine and I approve of that. But saying don't let LJ get the record, because we don't like him anymore is selfish and petty. Especially when quite a few of those saying this were once slobbering his knob.

Well, hopefully, if he does break the record, he does it on the road. As a season ticket holder, I DO NOT want to see him break the record at Arrowhead, and I'll bitch about it all I want. I want to see team records get broken by players that I like and respect. Can you imagine what the reaction is going to be by the fans if LJ breaks the record at Arrowhead? Hell, they might not even announce it. But, if they do? I hope we BOO THE SHIT OUT OF HIM...and that IS NOT how I want to see Chiefs records get broken.

Mile High Mania
11-04-2009, 05:19 AM
Change? they need a new CULTURE.

We've been waiting forty years for change ie.. winning a championship.

something in my gut says it is do or die these next couple of years...if they just keep on keepin on...a lot of die hards are gonna blow them off(IMO)..new stadium or not...I hope that Clark realizes that the lack of decent team that can progress in the playoffs is wearing thin on a lot of people...after a while it's just disheartening.

as it stands now, they are lucky the tailgate is still fun to a lot of fans...and even then..there is no energy in the lots(expected)

:shake:

Honestly, it amazes me that some of you continue to invest as much time and money as you do... I mean, that's a lot of time and money to devote to any team, but you have a special kind of love for your franchise to do what you guys have been doing for such a long time. It's definitely a strong fan base.

Fish
11-04-2009, 08:56 AM
Well, hopefully, if he does break the record, he does it on the road. As a season ticket holder, I DO NOT want to see him break the record at Arrowhead, and I'll bitch about it all I want. I want to see team records get broken by players that I like and respect. Can you imagine what the reaction is going to be by the fans if LJ breaks the record at Arrowhead? Hell, they might not even announce it. But, if they do? I hope we BOO THE SHIT OUT OF HIM...and that IS NOT how I want to see Chiefs records get broken.

:deevee:

Until your ass is on the field rushing for 6K+ yards, your opinion doesn't count. And like him or not, they will most certainly announce it if he breaks the record. Why wouldn't they? Because you don't like him? Please. Your precious personal feelings have no place here. You should know by now that this franchise doesn't operate according to your opinions. You think because you're a season ticket holder that you have any say in the matter? You're just guaranteed money to them. They don't care what you think, only that you pay. You have every right to boo, but records don't factor in fan approval. If they let him play and he breaks it, he'll be awarded and applauded. Guaranteed. Harsh truth, but there it is.

Blick
11-05-2009, 04:38 AM
:deevee:

Until your ass is on the field rushing for 6K+ yards, your opinion doesn't count. And like him or not, they will most certainly announce it if he breaks the record. Why wouldn't they? Because you don't like him? Please. Your precious personal feelings have no place here. You should know by now that this franchise doesn't operate according to your opinions. You think because you're a season ticket holder that you have any say in the matter? You're just guaranteed money to them. They don't care what you think, only that you pay. You have every right to boo, but records don't factor in fan approval. If they let him play and he breaks it, he'll be awarded and applauded. Guaranteed. Harsh truth, but there it is.

Cool, LJ rushed for a lot of yards. Do you really give a shit about his opinion? His opinion counts?

Why wouldn't they announce the record if LJ breaks it? Really? Have you been paying attention to the last few weeks?

Because I don't like him? You don't like him. Nobody likes him.

Did I say I think I had a say in the matter because I was a season ticket holder? No, I was just voicing my opinion on the matter as a person who might be there on the occasion.

It will depend on the situation in the game if/when he breaks the record. If we're close, and he breaks a run and gets the record, then yeah, people will probably cheer for his ass. But, if he breaks it in the 4th quarter when we're down 2 scores and we can't catch up...nobody is going to give a shit. Great way for a Chiefs record to be broken. I'm glad you would like to see it go down that way.