Mike Brown is the worst free-agent pickup since Carlton Gray...

[jwhit]

My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.

[The Bad Guy]

Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.

[RealSNR]

Fascinating, Jason.

[jwhit]

Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.

I'm sorry. I missed the "Pollard is a savior" part of my comment.

[-King-]

Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.

Im willing to bet money that we have allowed more 30+ yard plays this year than we had all year last year.

[Hammock Parties]

I have a feeling he's going to be the GIF'D UP King before it's all said and done.

[doomy3]

He is absolutely terrible. Not a good decision at all to cut Pollard for him. Not sure how anyone could argue otherwise. He is pitiful.

[DeezNutz]

My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.

The Brown acquisition is indefensible.

Shannon Sharpe clowns Brown at the half on CBS...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Pollard wasn't much, but he was younger and significantly better than Brown, who is now being clowned on CBS' halftime show.

Our starting safeties should have been Pollard and Morgan.

[doomy3]

Pollard just picked off Manning in the red zone...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

At least Lance Long has 7 first half targets to Bowe's 2.

[Time's Yours]

I'll take talent over the right 53 at this point

[doomy3]

At least Lance Long has 7 first half targets to Bowe's 2.

An unbelievably bad first half game plan. And some terrible playcalls and decisions as well.

[DeezNutz]

I'll take talent over the right 53 at this point

At what point is talent not > an empty rhetorical device?

[rambleonthruthefog]

brown sucks worse than pollard sucks. neither are part of the future.

[BossChief]

Pollard wasn't much, but he was younger and significantly better than Brown, who is now being clowned on CBS' halftime show.

Our starting safeties should have been Pollard and Morgan.

this

[KC native]

Pollard wasn't much, but he was younger and significantly better than Brown, who is now being clowned on CBS' halftime show.

Our starting safeties should have been Pollard and Morgan.

This all the way. The only decision I've been truly pissed about this year was cutting Pollard for Mike Brown. I can deal with all of the other crap because our team was in such a big hole but cutting pollard for a slower shittier version of him has been by far halioli's biggest mistake.

[Hammock Parties]

OK, listen, I still say cutting Pollard was the right decision. Nothing he did warranted a roster spot.

But yeah, picking up Brown looks retarded. If they wanted to pick up an old safety they should have grabbed Brian Dawkins.

[BigChiefFan]

When a player is yelling at coaches, you shitcan that player. It has nothing to do with talent level.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

An unbelievably bad first half game plan. And some terrible playcalls and decisions as well.

We had a short week.

Plus, it's not like we really needed those two TO's that we wasted

[milkman]

I'd agree with the OP if Mike Goff wasn't signed this offseason, as well.

Our entire offseason sucked ass.

[DeezNutz]

We had a short week.

Plus, it's not like we really needed those two TO's that we wasted

This list is long and not particularly distinguished.

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?

[Time's Yours]

OK, listen, I still say cutting Pollard was the right decision. Nothing he did warranted a roster spot.

He was better than Brown. Cutting him was stupid. He was at least worth a backup spot even if you take Dawkins.

[milkman]

This list is long and not particularly distinguished.

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?

Pronounced Itchyass NDukwe correctly.

:shrug:

[BossChief]

OK, listen, I still say cutting Pollard was the right decision. Nothing he did warranted a roster spot.

But yeah, picking up Brown looks retarded. If they wanted to pick up an old safety they should have grabbed Brian Dawkins.

NOT this and this

[Mecca]

This list is long and not particularly distinguished.

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?

Nothing...at this point they're Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman.

[AustinChief]

My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.

he looks so bad that I am starting to wonder if there is something our coaches or defensive scheme is doing to make him look worse.... It is almost unimaginable that he REALLY is this bad and used to START for another team...

[Titty Meat]

lol Pollard picked off Manning the Chiefs should have kept him!

[milkman]

he looks so bad that I am starting to wonder if there is something our coaches or defensive scheme is doing to make him look worse.... It is almost unimaginable that he REALLY is this bad and used to START for another team...

Taking horrible angles is not a schematic problem.

[BigChiefFan]

He was better than Brown. Cutting him was stupid. He was at least worth a backup spot even if you take Dawkins.

Do you really believe keeping a malcontent who got in coaches grills was wise?

[Mecca]

Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.

[Param]

The true question: what have Pioli and Haley done to demonstrate competence?

: crickets :

[Mecca]

Do you really believe keeping a malcontent who got in coaches grills was wise?

Well I dunno seeing as these coaches look like inept boobs.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

he looks so bad that I am starting to wonder if there is something our coaches or defensive scheme is doing to make him look worse.... It is almost unimaginable that he REALLY is this bad and used to START for another team...

Angles have nothing to do with gameplan. If you can't take the right angle in a Cover 2...well, fuck.

[Titty Meat]

Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.

I guess masterbation really does cause blindness. Why don't you read the other threads?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

I have figured out that signing Mike Brown is like trading up in every round. Brilliant.

[BigChiefFan]

Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.Gee, maybe the thread starter?;)

[Deberg_1990]

Pointing out how awful Brown is isn't someone getting on a soap box for Pollard, I don't know why everyone goes to that.

Ummm..because the Thread starter mentioned Pollard in his opening statement. Why did he feel the need to do this??

[wild1]

Surely, Brown can't be playing much longer. Even the most hamstrung defense would fine SOMEONE else to put out there. A rookie. A guy off the street. Anyone.

[Time's Yours]

Do you really believe keeping a malcontent who got in coaches grills was wise?

Obviously.

[DeezNutz]

Surely, Brown can't be playing much longer. Even the most hamstrung defense would fine SOMEONE else to put out there. A rookie. A guy off the street. Anyone.

Why is he playing now? Today's performance is hardly an anomaly.

[AustinChief]

Taking horrible angles is not a schematic problem.I know I know... just seems that he is so bad that I can't IMAGINE at one time he started for a team that wasn't the Chiefs....

[wild1]

Why is he playing now? Today's performance is hardly an anomaly.

I dont know, you'll have to ask Clancy Pederast

[Titty Meat]

Why is he playing now? Today's performance is hardly an anomaly.

Cuz New England didn't release any Safeties.

[Mecca]

It means Pollard is better than Brown and they chose the worse player...it in no way says Pollard is great or a pro bowler just that the team kept the worse player.

[BigChiefFan]

Obviously.LMAO

I'm sure, you're in the "keep LJ" camp, too?

[DeezNutz]

Cuz New England didn't release any Safeties.

And there's some truth to this statement.

[wild1]

Regarding "worst free agent pickup since carlton gray", Brown is on a 1 year deal for less than a million dollars. There was nothing wrong with signing him. There's something very wrong with still using him, but the signing was not a bad move.

If I remember right Gray was making 3 or 4 million (a more kingly sum 10 years ago no doubt) and had a multi-year deal. Brown is just a spare part they need to send off for recycling, it wasn't near the gaffe that Gray was.

There have been plenty of other poor ones recently anyway - Ty Law, Shawn Barber come to mind.

[DeezNutz]

Nice, Dorsey. Wrong fucking thread.

[Time's Yours]

LMAO

I'm sure, you're in the "keep LJ" camp, too?

That was one of the worst parallels I've ever seen someone attempt to draw.

[jwhit]

When a player is yelling at coaches, you shitcan that player. It has nothing to do with talent level.

This is so naive.

[BigChiefFan]

This is so naive.
Sure, it is, J. So according to you, coaches prefer the malcontents that get in their grill? Now, who's being naive?

[-King-]

Sure, it is, J. So according to you, coaches prefer the malcontents that get in their grill? Now, who's being naive?

When the player is smarter than the coach, Im sure you can make an exception, because Clancy has to be the dumbest coach in the NFL.

[Mecca]

Clancy Pendergast deserves to be hit in the face with bats by the players.

[wild1]

I'd like to see a new offensive and defensive coordinator introduced this offseason.

Clearly I think canning Gailey was a mistake. Maybe not a mistake per se to remove him, but to do so in camp without a replacement, just silly.

Clancy Pederast is just the new Greg Robinson

[jwhit]

Sure, it is, J. So according to you, coaches prefer the malcontents that get in their grill? Now, who's being naive?

You couldn't field a roster if you cut all the players who yell at coaches. Most coaches are lucky they don't get their asses whipped at least twice in their careers.

[Mecca]

Nah Jason we're just suppose to cut everyone who isn't a good little soldier for a regime that looks incompetent.

[wild1]

Thing is, I don't think that this would be a good team if Haley were a nice guy coach. I don't think it would be a good team with entirely different guys starting. It wouldn't be a good team with Pollard still on the roster.

Carl and Herm buried this ship so far in the silt that this year was just going to be a marathon of suck no matter what.

Haley is not good enough to make a terrible team watchable. Maybe when more talent arrives, he can take some talent and do something with it, but he can't turn water into wine.

[wild1]

Nah Jason we're just suppose to cut everyone who isn't a good little soldier for a regime that looks incompetent.

Are you wearing your kneepads today?

[Mecca]

Are you wearing your kneepads today?

They make mistakes that have nothing to do with talent that to me points to inept.

The same people that crucified Herm are giving Haley a pass for doing the same shit if not worse...Haley is a worse gameday coach than Herm, you know hard that is to do?

[BigChiefFan]

You couldn't field a roster if you cut all the players who yell at coaches. Most coaches are lucky they don't get their asses whipped at least twice in their careers. Thanks, Cable for your valuable insight. Pollard was insubordinate. Period.

[-King-]

Thing is, I don't think that this would be a good team if Haley were a nice guy coach. I don't think it would be a good team with entirely different guys starting. It wouldn't be a good team with Pollard still on the roster.

Carl and Herm buried this ship so far in the silt that this year was just going to be a marathon of suck no matter what.

Haley is not good enough to make a terrible team watchable. Maybe when more talent arrives, he can take some talent and do something with it, but he can't turn water into wine.

Like Lance Long, Richardson, Mike Brown, Mike Goff, Ndukewe? That type of top tier talent the team brings in?

[wild1]

Like Lance Long, Richardson, Mike Brown, Mike Goff, Ndukewe? That type of top tier talent the team brings in?

Were they supposed to change over all 53+ players in the offseason?

[Mecca]

Lets not even mention the supposed franchise QB sucks butt.

[LiL stumppy]

Brown is terrible, but stop acting like Pollard is some savior.

Pollard was burned for his fair share of plays as well.

your a freaking idiot if you would rather have brown than pollard

[Time's Yours]

Were they supposed to change over all 53+ players in the offseason?

No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.

[wild1]

No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.

This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.

[milkman]

No but you'd like to see improvement in the positions where they made changes. This team is no better than last year's team despite a lot of personnel changes.

This right here.

[DeezNutz]

This team will win more games than last year's team.

Doubtful.

[BigChiefFan]

This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.

Agreed. It's painful to watch and go through, but getting rid of 20 years of Carl's ineptitude can't be done overnight.

[milkman]

This team will win more games than last year's team, 3 or 4 games, which isn't saying a lot but at least the franchise will have some direction. Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Gunther Cunningham, Tyler Thigpen, Larry Johnson, and a bunch of geriatrics and losers at every position was not direction.

Certainly Pioli/Haley is off to a rocky start, but at least they are trying to get better. They aren't trying to pass that team off from last year as a legitimate NFL team. They made a lot of changes, some worked and some didn't.

At a minimum I want to see the personnel changes they make after this year. I want to see the roster at midseason next year and see where we are.

You can't jump ship on a rebuild in the middle of the first season.

But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.

[wild1]

Doubtful.

I could be wrong, sure.

Do you think this year's team, with the current coaching staff, would lose to last year's team with Herm at the helm? I don't think so.

[BigChiefFan]

But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it. We've been through this and agreed. The KICKER is upgraded. ;)

[wild1]

But in a rebuild, you'd like to see one position, at the very least, upgraded.

I don't see it.

Quarterback was upgraded, and we have two defensive ends who are at this point, fine. We're no worse off at linebacker, possibly better. We're fine at punter, and kicker was upgraded.

I want to argue that at safety we are not stagnant, we don't have upgrades in place but we have unseated the entrenched, crappy, starters, so we're working to upgrade those positions even though they have not yet been solidified. In a way it's not an upgrade but a positive to break through the status quo there. That's all contingent on someone replacing Brown, someone else and Morgan would be the right move there.

It's not a lot, but you can't expect all the middle round picks to be difference makers 8 games into their first year either.

[milkman]

Quarterback was upgraded, and we have two defensive ends who are at this point, fine. We're no worse off at linebacker, possibly better. We're fine at punter, and kicker was upgraded.

It's not a lot, but you can't expect all the middle round picks to be difference makers 8 games into their first year either.

I'm sorry, but what I see is a taller version of Thigpen.

So if taller is an upgrade, I agree.

[doomy3]

Pollard just had his second pick of the game today.

[Deberg_1990]

Quarterback was upgraded,

Was it?? I want to believe that....but i cant honestly say it was at this point.

[wild1]

I'm sorry, but what I see is a taller version of Thigpen.

So if taller is an upgrade, I agree.

:rolleyes:

[DeezNutz]

Do you think this year's team, with the current coaching staff, would lose to last year's team with Herm at the helm? I don't think so.

Yes.

Because we have the same QB, and a gimmick offense allows for an under-talented player to have some level of success.

[Mecca]

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry, Cassel has been nothing short of awful.

[-King-]

I'm sorry, Cassel has been nothing short of awful.

I know it'll never happen, but they need to get croyle in there. I bet he has a better day.

[wild1]

I'm sorry, Cassel has been nothing short of awful.

I dont lend a lot of weight to this, coming from someone who never has a positive word to say about the Chiefs in any context

[Mecca]

Look at the post above yours...anyone who is watching him can tell you, he's sucked.

[Bane]

I'm sorry, Cassel has been nothing short of awful.

Is that unusual?

[beach tribe]

lol Pollard picked off Manning the Chiefs should have kept him!

I hope you're being sarcastic, cause Mike brown is YO BOY!

[milkman]

I dont lend a lot of weight to this, coming from someone who never has a positive word to say about the Chiefs in any context

I spent the offseason after the trade for Cassel watching him in NFL replays, finding positive to discuss, and generally giving him the benefit of the doubt.

But mecca is right, he is nothing short of awful.

[wild1]

As I watch him run for his life, actually taking a hit right now, I don't blame him for not being that efficient.

You put Cassel and Thigpen on a decent team with a decent offensive line, there's no question who's going to be more successful. On a team this awful, no, it doesn't matter so much who your QB is because a lot of quality starters would not be doing anything on this team.

[Bane]

I spent the offseason after the trade for Cassel watching him in NFL replays, finding positive to discuss, and generally giving him the benefit of the doubt.

But mecca is right, he is nothing short of awful.

True that.
What gets me is the Cassel-ites that say well if we had 3 pro bowl OL,2 pro bowl WR,a pro bowl Rb,and TG he'd be one of the best QB's in the league......No shit really?LMAO

[beach tribe]

Ok we paid Mike Brown basically the league minimum, on a 1 YEAR DEAL, and we HAD to cut Pollard because he's yelling at coaches

And THIS is the worst signing since Carlton Grey? What fuqin team have you been watching?

[DeezNutz]

Ok we paid Mike Brown basically the league minimum, on a 1 YEAR DEAL, and we HAD to cut Pollard because he's yelling at coaches

And THIS is the worst signing since Carlton Grey? What fuqin team have you been watching?

Give me a break.

[irishjayhawk]

Ok we paid Mike Brown basically the league minimum, on a 1 YEAR DEAL, and we HAD to cut Pollard because he's yelling at coaches

And THIS is the worst signing since Carlton Grey? What fuqin team have you been watching?

I've been with you for a while, but this is retarded.

[beach tribe]

Look at the post above yours...anyone who is watching him can tell you, he's sucked.

Do you see any other QB in the league who has as little time to set up as he has? I'm not saying in any way that he has done well, but line play, can ruin any play, and ours is as bad as I have ever seen.

[beach tribe]

I've been with you for a while, but this is retarded.

He yelled at a coach. What player do you know YELLS at coaches, and stays around. Coaches run the damn team not the players. Sure maybe if you actually prove yourself on the field you might be able to open your fuqin mouth, but when you're getting toasted constantly in practive, and on the field you can take a fuqin hike.
Or else you'll lose your entire team. Pollard needed someone saying WHY THE FUCK were you THERE when you're supposed to be THERE? And he should try to answer a question that he obviously doesn't know the answer to, and go back to his huddle or locker.

[irishjayhawk]

He yelled at a coach. What player do you know YELLS at coaches, and stays around. Coaches run the damn team not the players. Sure maybe if you actually prove yourself on the field you might be able to open your fuqin mouth, but when you're getting toasted constantly in practive, and on the field you can take a fuqin hike.
Or else you'll lose your entire team. Pollard needed someone saying WHY THE **** were you THERE when you're supposed to be THERE? And he should try to answer a question that he obviously doesn't know the answer to, and go back to his huddle or locker.

We didn't have to. For example, perhaps the coach was in the wrong. It wouldn't surprise me.

[milkman]

Do you see any other QB in the league who has as little time to set up as he has? I'm not saying in any way that he has done well, but line play, can ruin any play, and ours is as bad as I have ever seen.

Even when he does have time, he has no pocket presense, he doesn't go through his progressions, and he moves out of the pocket before he has to.

Even on that TD to Chambers, he moved away from phantom pressure.

It didn't hurt the team on that play, but it does more often than not.

He is Thigpen.

Plays well out of the spread/shotgun, but doens't function out of a pro set with any comfort.

[milkman]

He yelled at a coach. What player do you know YELLS at coaches, and stays around. Coaches run the damn team not the players. Sure maybe if you actually prove yourself on the field you might be able to open your fuqin mouth, but when you're getting toasted constantly in practive, and on the field you can take a fuqin hike.
Or else you'll lose your entire team. Pollard needed someone saying WHY THE **** were you THERE when you're supposed to be THERE? And he should try to answer a question that he obviously doesn't know the answer to, and go back to his huddle or locker.

Anquin Bolden

[beach tribe]

Anquin Bolden

Oh the Pro-bowler you mean?

[beach tribe]

He yelled at a coach. What player do you know YELLS at coaches, and stays around. Coaches run the damn team not the players. Sure maybe if you actually prove yourself on the field you might be able to open your fuqin mouth, but when you're getting toasted constantly in practive, and on the field you can take a fuqin hike.
Or else you'll lose your entire team. Pollard needed someone saying WHY THE **** were you THERE when you're supposed to be THERE? And he should try to answer a question that he obviously doesn't know the answer to, and go back to his huddle or locker.
Anquan Boldin.

[Mr. Laz]

My God. These guys cut Bernard Pollard to make room for Brown.
no, you retard ... they cut Pollard because he was a mouthy bitch who wouldn't do what the coaches told him.

[chiefs1111]

Mike Brown is worse than Carlton Gray and that's saying something

[milkman]

Oh the Pro-bowler you mean?

You didn't ask what non Pro Bowl player yells at his coach and sticks around.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Even when he does have time, he has no pocket presense, he doesn't go through his progressions, and he moves out of the pocket before he has to.

Even on that TD to Chambers, he moved away from phantom pressure.

It didn't hurt the team on that play, but it does more often than not.

He is Thigpen.

Plays well out of the spread/shotgun, but doens't function out of a pro set with any comfort.

But he got 20 fantasy points in the 4th quarter alone!!

[beach tribe]

Even when he does have time, he has no pocket presense, he doesn't go through his progressions, and he moves out of the pocket before he has to.

Even on that TD to Chambers, he moved away from phantom pressure.

It didn't hurt the team on that play, but it does more often than not.

He is Thigpen.

Plays well out of the spread/shotgun, but doens't function out of a pro set with any comfort.
I see it too, and I totally agree with everything you said, but I played QB in H.S.,(I know big deal that's not what I'm saying) and the 1st year i did, the entire O-line graduated, the year before, and after the 1st game, I lost all faith in the O-line, and just could not ever be comfortable.

You think Matt Cassel wants to end his career for this years' team? Hell no. He knows he's the starter next year. He's gonna do everything he can, just to survive, and wait for help.

[milkman]

I see it too, and I totally agree with everything you said, but I played QB in H.S.,(I know big deal that's not what I'm saying) and the 1st year i did, the entire O-line graduated, the year before, and after the 1st game, I lost all faith in the O-line, and just could not ever be comfortable.

You think Matt Cassel wants to end his career for this years' team? Hell no. He knows he's the starter next year. He's gonna do everything he can, just to survive, and wait for help.

Meanwhile, Aaron Rogers is standing in the pocket taking hits, moving at the last possible minute, and making plays.

[KCChiefsMan]

I'm convinced that he is the worst safety to ever wear a Chiefs uniform. I would be happier with William Bartee out there