Matt Roth Waived by Dolphins

[doomy3]

This could be an interesting pickup. 3-4 OLB, which is something we sorely need. I say bring him in...


Matt Roth-LB- Dolphins Nov. 24 - 5:34 pm et

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Dolphins have waived OLB Matt Roth.
Roth earned the ire of the coaching staff and the front office after he sat out training camp with a groin injury despite gaining clearance from doctors. Set to hit free agency after the season, he wasn't going to return to the Dolphins regardless. Miami is deep at outside linebacker, so Roth was the odd man out the rest of the way. Expect him to draw plenty of interest from teams that run 3-4 defenses.
Source: Adam Schfter on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3190

[Hootie]

I'd definitely take a looksy...

[The Franchise]

I'd bring him. Our depth is horrible.

[Iowanian]

Uh.....Hell Yes.

[Hootie]

Vrabel to IR, claim Roth.

Booohooohoooom!!

[LaChapelle]

Haley doesn't like Cox all up in his face.

bye Mike

[BossChief]

Id bring him in like yesterday, one of my favorite Iowa players of all time.

[Dante84]

Roth earned the ire of the coaching staff and the front office after he sat out training camp with a groin injury despite gaining clearance from doctors.

Doesn't sound like a Pioli and Haley kinda guy. If Parcells was pissed at him, I doubt Pioli will want him.

[Hootie]

BRAD BANKS FTW

[BossChief]

I bet daddy Parcells has already given Pioli the thumbs down though, and I doubt he is brought in.

Very very dumb player to talk to though. JUST A FOOTBALL PLAYER!

[talastan]

This could be an interesting pickup. 3-4 OLB, which is something we sorely need. I say bring him in...


Matt Roth-LB- Dolphins Nov. 24 - 5:34 pm et

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Dolphins have waived OLB Matt Roth.
Roth earned the ire of the coaching staff and the front office after he sat out training camp with a groin injury despite gaining clearance from doctors. Set to hit free agency after the season, he wasn't going to return to the Dolphins regardless. Miami is deep at outside linebacker, so Roth was the odd man out the rest of the way. Expect him to draw plenty of interest from teams that run 3-4 defenses.
Source: Adam Schfter on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3190


If Parcells didn't like the guy, I doubt we will just jump on him. Especially if what is highlighted above is true

[Hammock Parties]

Heeeeeeeeeere we go.

Pioli's pants are going crazy.

[BossChief]

BRAD BANKS FTW

DREW TATE FTW!!!

[Dante84]

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[ModSocks]

Doesn't sound like a Pioli and Haley kinda guy. If Parcells was pissed at him, I doubt Pioli will want him.

Exactly what i was thinking. I think Haley made it pretty clear that an injury isn't an injury unless it's broken or torn.

[BossChief]

He should go to a 4-3 team though.

[Iowanian]

Roth was always a high motor player, and he's played in the 3-4.

I can't imagine he's not worth a look. It could be as simple as Miami knowing they're not going to be able to sign him, or have a player they're happy with or are buttsore.

I think he'd be a nice bookend to Tamba, and at very least a very nice roll player with starting NFL experience.

[Bill Lundberg]

I doubt he gets past Cleveland

[DaneMcCloud]

If he's a fourth year player, the Chiefs can just claim him.

If they claim him, they'll get him.

[KCChiefsMan]

sure, why the hell not??

[Dante84]

We're third on waivers, yes?

So,

1. Detroit (4-3)
2. St. Louis (4-3, right? Maybe?)
3. Us.

What's Cleveland gotsta do, gotsta do with it?

[Bill Lundberg]

If he's a fourth year player, the Chiefs can just claim him.

If they claim him, they'll get him.

Unless someone higher in the waiver order claims him. I think Cleveland will be all over him.

[Dante84]

Unless someone higher in the waiver order claims him. I think Cleveland will be all over him.

See my previous post.

[Bill Lundberg]

We're third on waivers, yes?

So,

1. Detroit (4-3)
2. St. Louis (4-3, right? Maybe?)
3. Us.

What's Cleveland gotsta do, gotsta do with it?

They are higher than us in the order. They've only won one game. After the trade deadline the order is based off of this season and not last years draft order (I think). Checking

[Brock]

Unless someone higher in the waiver order claims him. I think Cleveland will be all over him.

It's last year's record that matters, no?

[Dante84]

They are higher than us in the order. They've only won one game. After the trade deadline the order is based off of this season and not last years draft order.

You sure?

[BossChief]

We're third on waivers, yes?

So,

1. Detroit (4-3)
2. St. Louis (4-3, right? Maybe?)
3. Us.

What's Cleveland gotsta do, gotsta do with it?

I could be wrong, but I doubt either of the 4-3 teams in front of us pass on him. Especially Detroit and Gun. If that is the true order.

[Bill Lundberg]

You sure?

Not entirely. Checking now.

[blazzin311]

Roth was always a high motor player, and he's played in the 3-4.

I can't imagine he's not worth a look. It could be as simple as Miami knowing they're not going to be able to sign him, or have a player they're happy with or are buttsore.

I think he'd be a nice bookend to Tamba, and at very least a very nice roll player with starting NFL experience.

Yea, If I were the Chiefs I would definitely put a claim in on this guy. He's a talented player to would be a nice piece to this defense oppoosite of Tamba, I agree. Sure as hell couldn't hurt to take a look that's for sure. Anything to get more pressure on the QB and this guy can bring some heat.

[BossChief]

If Vrabel is done for the year or even close to it, I would claim him in a minute.

[Skip Towne]

Let's ask GoChiefs what he thinks.......then do the opposite.

[DaKCMan AP]

For those that don't know or don't remember, Matt Roth is who the Dolphins drafted with our pick traded for Patrick Surtain.

[Dante84]

You are correct:

The waiver wire order is reset on September 28th to reflect the current worst win/loss records in the league.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/5/1016903/how-does-the-nfl-waiver-wire

[Iowanian]

If Vrabel is done for the year or even close to it, I would claim him in a minute.


I would anyway, because I haven't been overwhelmed by Vrabel's play, and don't assume he'll even be here next year. Roth is at very least an upgrade over Redmond or the worst man on the 53....

I'd be thrilled with signing Roth at this point in the season...looking ahead to next.

[Bill Lundberg]

You are correct:

The waiver wire order is reset on September 28th to reflect the current worst win/loss records in the league.

(a) Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period. If the waivers occur after that time, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club. However, if such player is claimed and awarded, he shall have the option to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the League Year in question if he has a no-trade clause in his Player Contract. If such player does not have a no-trade clause and the Player Contract being awarded through waivers covers more than one additional season, the player shall have the right to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent as set forth above at the end of the League Year following the League Year in which he is waived and awarded.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/9/5/1016903/how-does-the-nfl-waiver-wire

Thought so. Thanks for finding that!:thumb:

[Dante84]

Thought so. Thanks for finding that!:thumb:

No prob.... but the part I cut and pasted was wrong. And then I gave up. And then I edited it to make me look smarter.

rep for you, sir.

[Brock]

Would that be our 22nd guy off the street?

[Hammock Parties]

For those that don't know or don't remember, Matt Roth is who the Dolphins drafted with our pick traded for Patrick Surtain.

ROFL

How awesome would it be if Pioli completely erased another Carl Peterson mistake...

[Iowanian]

What is the order now?

Besides Cleveland, are there any other 3-4 teams ahead of KC?

[Iowanian]

What is the order now?

Besides Cleveland, are there any other 3-4 teams ahead of KC?

[DaneMcCloud]

Roth and Studebaker are upgrades over Vrabel

[Bill Lundberg]

What is the order now?

Besides Cleveland, are there any other 3-4 teams ahead of KC?

You've got the 1-9's: Cleveland, Tampa Bay, St. Louis
The 2-8's: Detroit
And the 3-7's: KC, Oakland, Washington, Seattle

I don't know how the tiebreakers work, but it looks to me like regardless of order the only other 3-4 team is Cleveland.

[BossChief]

Just because he played in a 3-4 the last year or two, doesnt mean it is his best fit. He is by far a better 4-3 player IMO. He isnt fast, he is more physical. His arms are as short as Halis though, so we would have another "almost sacker"

[Reaper16]

Bring him in. If we can't have an elite player at pass rusher than we damn sure need to have depth there.

[Reerun_KC]

ROFL

How awesome would it be if Pioli completely erased another Carl Peterson mistake...

Yeah it would be cool if Pioli could make you just disappear..............

[KCrockaholic]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, we have nothing to lose.

[Micjones]

Sign him...yesterday.
He can rush the passer.
And he's 27 years old.

[KCrockaholic]

Sign him...yesterday.
He can rush the passer.
And he's 27 years old.

He isn't that great at rushing the passer... But he is still a decent option considering what we have right now. Why not add another white OLB/DE?

[Micjones]

He isn't that great at rushing the passer... But he is still a decent option considering what we have right now. Why not add another white OLB/DE?

I never said he was great at it...

[Chief Henry]

Uh.....Hell Yes.

The Florida Gators should remember Roth.

Bring Roth in for sure to at least evaluate. He's got
one hell of a motor.

[KCrockaholic]

I never said he was great at it...

Well I guess you were right, he can rush the passer.

[Quesadilla Joe]

It's last year's record that matters, no?

No. After a certain point in the season it goes to this years record. Last year when all of Denver's RB's got put on IR we tried to claim Michael Bennett but the Chargers had a worse record than we did and they stole him.

[RedThat]

Bring him in. If we can't have an elite player at pass rusher than we damn sure need to have depth there.

Yup.

[Micjones]

Well I guess you were right, he can rush the passer.

Me thinks you're missing the point.
We have very few players on this roster with a pass-rushing skillset.
Any improvement there is good.

[RedThat]

I wouldn't mind bringing him in, we have nothing to lose.

Isn't that just Beautiful?

[KCrockaholic]

Me thinks you're missing the point.
We have very few players on this roster with a pass-rushing skillset.
Any improvement there is good.

I agree, I just didn't want anyone to think that Roth is particularly skilled at rushing the passer. I guess it is just the way I interpreted it.

[BossChief]

I agree, I just didn't want anyone to think that Roth is particularly skilled at rushing the passer. I guess it is just the way I interpreted it.

Roth is Hali X .9 in almost every way, including causing fumbles and hustle.

[Micjones]

I agree, I just didn't want anyone to think that Roth is particularly skilled at rushing the passer. I guess it is just the way I interpreted it.

He's not going to give you a dozen sacks annually.
He's a 5 or 6 sack per year type of LB.

[Chris Meck]

so....opposite Hali that'd be pretty good, yeah? Plus he's young-ish. What's the problem?

[milkman]

No. After a certain point in the season it goes to this years record. Last year when all of Denver's RB's got put on IR we tried to claim Michael Bennett but the Chargers had a worse record than we did and they stole him.

Late to the party there, aren't ya?

[Bill Lundberg]

The Browns just waived a LB. Coincidence? I doubt it.

[DaneMcCloud]

The Browns just waived a LB. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Who?

[Bill Lundberg]

Some scrub, it was running on the crawl on the NFL network. I'll see if I can catch it.

[Brock]

I think they said it was Chris Jennings, RB.

[booger]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Browns-cut-Stamer.html

LB josh stamer

[Brock]

I don't think they waived him, I think they were referencing that he's going to get more carries and that he's available on 99 percent of waiver wires. I wasn't really paying attention though.

[Bill Lundberg]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Browns-cut-Stamer.html

LB josh stamer

Yep, that's the one.

[Mr. Laz]

Thought so. Thanks for finding that!:thumb:
wow ... impressive knowledge there Bill.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'll be extremely disappointed if we don't put in a claim for Roth.

Guys like him rarely hit the wire - and he's a huge upgrade over anyone we have at OLB.

[Bill Lundberg]

I'll be extremely disappointed if we don't put in a claim for Roth.

Guys like him rarely hit the wire - and he's a huge upgrade over anyone we have at OLB.

We probably will never know because he won't get to us.

ETA: I keep harping on this in hopes that I'm wrong.

[booger]

OLB/DE Travis LaBoy is still a FA after getting cut by the Cards. He's another guy that's out there just waiting to get healthy. He would probably prefer to go to a playoff team, who wouldn't, but it's a name to watch for. I havn't seen an update since he was cut in July-August, somewhere in there. Then again maybe he won't play this season at all.

[Mr. Laz]

the current order ... if Roth is claimed by anyone else then we know we didn't put a claim.

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[OnTheWarpath15]

We probably will never know because he won't get to us.

ETA: I keep harping on this in hopes that I'm wrong.

We'll know if we put in a claim for him, whether we get him or not is another story.

[brorth]

I can't seem to figure out if the waiver order is reset regularly to reflect the current standings, or if it just resets on Sept. 28 to reflect the order at that time.
If it's reset on a weekly basis, there would have to be a deadline.
With games played from Thursday to Monday right now, it would have to reset on Tuesday so the 24 hour rule could be satisfied.
Does anyone where that would be published by the NFL?

[Bill Lundberg]

We'll know if we put in a claim for him, whether we get him or not is another story.

Maybe so, but this wouldn't surprise me...

"I'll only talk about the players that are here." - Coach Haley

[jspchief]

I don't think he's a make or break piece, but could compete to start or at worst add depth.

Roth was an animal at DE in college, but was a bit undersized for the NFL, hence the move to 3-4 OLB. Not sure if he has the speed to be great, but probably has the ability to be good.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Maybe so, but this wouldn't surprise me...

"I'll only talk about the players that are here." - Coach Haley

Usually when it comes to better known guys on the wire, some news report will come out saying who all made claims.

I'm thinking that will happen with Roth.

[Hoover]

I think we have to bring him in, thus far Haley is only at 20 guys off the street.

[BigChiefFan]

Pretty sure Pioli already has the inside skinny on Roth, dontcha think?

If he was released for anything besides them having plenty of depth at LBer(you can never have too much depth), I doubt we touch him with a ten foot pole.

[bigbucks24]

I gotta belioeve there is more to the story that what is being. There was something going on in TC where he reported and injury and then changed his mind. Then he was checked out by the dr. and was ok. So then he said he had the flu. but those tests were negative too. So he was put on the PUP list. I laways liked Matty and hoped he'd turn out, but something smells fishy.

[The Bad Guy]

Pretty sure Pioli already has the inside skinny on Roth, dontcha think?

He had in the inside skinny on Alleman and the other shit blocker and it didn't stop him.

[BigChiefFan]

He had in the inside skinny on Alleman and the other shit blocker and it didn't stop him.
A trade is quite different than claiming someone off the waiver wire, no?

I think it's pretty obvious Pioli knew he wasn't get much hence TWO PLAYERS for a 6th round pick.

[Ebolapox]

if memory serves, he was the player they got with the pick that we gave up for pat surtain.

[easymobee]

ROFL

How awesome would it be if Pioli completely erased another Carl Peterson mistake...

A "mistake" that caused you to have a 6 month wet dream.

I remember your joy when Surtain was traded for.

It wasn't quite equal to your Kendrell Bell euphoria, but it was just slightly more than your Brodie Croyle "probowler in the making" happiness.

[BossChief]

A "mistake" that caused you to have a 6 month wet dream.

I remember your joy when Surtain was traded for.

It wasn't quite equal to your Kendrell Bell euphoria, but it was just slightly more than your Brodie Croyle "probowler in the making" happiness.

to be fair, we needed both Surtain and Law that year and us still being forced to play Warfield out of necessity was what cost us that little difference between 10-6 and not in the playoofs while Pittsburg goes on to win a championship out of the #6 seed, and us having a serious chance at a deep playoff run with that team. Surtain did his job and it wasnt a bad trade IMHO.

Bartee/Warfield needed to get replaced and at least we got one of em of the field.

[SPchief]

if memory serves, he was the player they got with the pick that we gave up for pat surtain.

No shit? I think I read that somewhere

[Pioli Zombie]

What a minute. Roth. Miami. Was this guys grandfather named Hyman by any chance?????
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[Tiger's Fan]

What a minute. Roth. Miami. Was this guys grandfather named Hyman by any chance?????
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heh

[Tiger's Fan]

Oh, and just to get this out of the way, in case we don't put a claim in on him:

FIRE PIOLI AND HALEY, THEY SUX, BRING BACK CARL AND HERM!!!1111!!!1111!/same ole blowhards

[Pioli Zombie]

I could just hear Hyman Roth now............"More than anyone I loved Matt. When he was cut, I wasn't mad. I knew about the groin. So when he got the ax I let it go. And I said to myself (GHHHHH). This (GHHHHH) is the business we have chosen!!! (GHHHH). I DIDN'T ASK who made the call!!!! Because it had nothing to do with business!!!!
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[WhitiE]

He had in the inside skinny on Alleman and the other shit blocker and it didn't stop him.

i agree with what the other guy said. 2 players for a 6th we obviously knew we weren't getting much..... besides i think we really needed the depth even if their not very good but their still a body to get pushed out of the way or ran around....

[Marcellus]

Doesn't sound like a Pioli and Haley kinda guy. If Parcells was pissed at him, I doubt Pioli will want him.

But,but,but he is from the Dolphins of course we want him and of course it is a TERRIBLE idea because he is from the Dolphins and and.....

[Pioli Zombie]

"So you side with Roth? You'd side with a Jew from Miami instead of your own family"
-Frankie Tatangia
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[TRR]

Have we heard if anyone claimed Matt Roth or if he is a FA?

Roth would be a nice late addition to the Chiefs.
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[OnTheWarpath15]

Have we heard if anyone claimed Matt Roth or if he is a FA?

Roth would be a nice late addition to the Chiefs.
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Still on waivers until late this afternoon.

24 hours from the time he was cut.

[The Franchise]

Still on waivers until late this afternoon.

24 hours from the time he was cut.

If he hits FA.....he's going to the Patriots.

[OnTheWarpath15]

If he hits FA.....he's going to the Patriots.

If he hits FA, I will not only be surprised, but extremely disapponted that a team with this poor of a LB Corp didn't put in a claim.

[The Franchise]

If he hits FA, I will not only be surprised, but extremely disapponted that a team with this poor of a LB Corp didn't put in a claim.

Nothing really surprises me anymore. Well maybe the Steelers win...but nothing other than that.

[AZChief]

Adam_Schefter 's Twitter:

Drew Rosenhaus wrote on his twitter account that the Cleveland Browns have claimed former Dolphins LB Matt Roth.

[Sure-Oz]

That figures

[CaliforniaChief]

Not saying I didn't want him, because I did, but it is nice to start moving down the waiver list.

[Pitt Gorilla]

This reminds me of last weekend when I saw David Pollack on TV. I remember Chiefs fans wanting to draft him and wondering why he was already out of the NFL. Back injury of some sort was the issue.