I need a new truck!

[Lono]

Ok, I need some ideas for a descent truck for $15k or less. I would really like at least an extended cab. I like the Silverado's, but I also want something that isn't going to break down all the time. What say you?

[Garcia Bronco]

Can't go wrong with a Yota provided you don't pull a 5th wheel.

[Lono]

No 5th wheel, I will pull a boat or a small bumper hitch camper occasionally, but thats all the pulling I will do. I am just tired of driving a stupid car. I hunt a lot and wouldn't mind having 4 wheel drive also.

[Dayze]

Toyotas have very durable frames.

[El Jefe]

I would buy a silverado, best trucks IMO, we've worked on all of the makes. It also greatly depends on the years you're looking at? My top list would go something like this:
1. Silverado/GM
2. Ford
3. Dodge
4.Toyota/Nissan (the reason they are so low is because they are both very expensive to fix transmission wise).
Once again list is dependent on the years you're looking at.

[Brock]

Guys with Ford trucks seem to like them a lot.

[El Jefe]

Toyotas have very durable frames.

Heh. This customer of ours just had his Tundra bought back from Toyota for the frame literally rusting out. It had 40k miles and was mint condition.

[Brock]

The only truck brand I'd stay away from is Dodge.

[rageeumr]

I have an 05 F150 SuperCrew that I bought with about 25k miles on it. It's up to 106ish with (knock on wood) not one issue (ok, the driver's side window switch and back-up sensor have gone out. $210 total in parts). Blue Book says its in the $16,000 range for private party value. I plan to get another year or two out of it at least.

[Pennywise]

No 5th wheel, I will pull a boat or a small bumper hitch camper occasionally, but thats all the pulling I will do. I am just tired of driving a stupid car. I hunt a lot and wouldn't mind having 4 wheel drive also.

Toyota Tacoma.

[kepp]

Guys with Ford trucks seem to like them a lot.

Hey, you left your "man step" down.

[kepp]

Heh. This customer of ours just had his Tundra bought back from Toyota for the frame literally rusting out. It had 40k miles and was mint condition.

To your knowledge, will Toyota only do this for the original owners?

[Scorp]

My suggestion is to target a vehicle like this:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=32904037&listingRecNum=1453&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26drvTrnId%3D27105%26mkId%3D20012%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D21858%26rd%3D100000%2 6crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-prcId-drvTrnId%26zc%3D65806%26prcId%3D28644%26rn%3D1250%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D250%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

I own a 2005 and couldn't be happier.

[Scorp]

The only truck brand I'd stay away from is Dodge.

LOL, whatever. Best truck I have ever owned. Always owned Chevy before I purchased my Hemi.

[Bugeater]

If you buy a Dodge, don't try to do this.

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[Brock]

LOL, whatever. Best truck I have ever owned. Always owned Chevy before I purchased my Hemi.

Well, to be fair, you're kind of a moron.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

Yeah, a Toyota would be a great buy ROFL

[Scorp]

Well, to be fair, you're kind of a moron.

And you talk out of your ass.

[Bugeater]

Well, to be fair, you're kind of a moron.
I'll bet his spare tire hasn't rusted off of the frame yet.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I drive a 2006 Ram as a company truck. Has 52k miles and aside from a recall on a solenoid it has been very solid.

[Brock]

And you talk out of your ass.

You're welcome to your opinion. But it is true that you're thought of as a moron.

[Brock]

I'll bet his spare tire hasn't rusted off of the frame yet.

Don't talk to me about it, I have an 84 chevy. You want to talk about a great truck.

[Scorp]

Don't talk to me about it, I have an 84 chevy. You want to talk about a great truck.

LMFAO

[Pablo]

The only truck brand I'd stay away from is Dodge.This.

Stay away from all Chrysler products.

[Bugeater]

This.

Stay away from all Chrysler products.
:rolleyes:

[Brock]

This.

Stay away from all Chrysler products.

Pretty much, except I think Jeep is still a good off road machine.

[stevieray]

Pretty much, except I think Jeep is still a good off road machine.

:rockon:

just hit 200k..

[Pablo]

:rolleyes:I'm glad you've had such good luck with your Chrysler products.

I have not. Hence, why I say stay away from them. My own personal experiences. Kind of like everyone else in this thread is basing their opinions off of, their own personal experiences...

[Pablo]

Pretty much, except I think Jeep is still a good off road machine.I will say my buddy has a straight 6 Cherokee that stills runs damn good for being a 94.

[Bugeater]

I'm glad you've had such good luck with your Chrysler products.

I have not. Hence, why I say stay away from them. My own personal experiences. Kind of like everyone else in this thread is basing their opinions off of, their own personal experiences...
That's fine, but you weren't stating your personal experience, you were making a sweeping generalization.

[bevischief]

I have a 97 Toyota T100 with 219000 miles and still going strong.
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[GloryDayz]

I have a 2002 Siverado LT, 183,000 miles, cruise control went out at 110,000 ($700 to fix!!!! No thank you), no other problems problems. Love it. Worth every penny I paid..

[El Jefe]

To your knowledge, will Toyota only do this for the original owners?

No, I've personally seen them take care of 3 different people. One of which was an original owner, the other two guys were 2nd and 3rd owners.

[HemiEd]

Don't talk to me about it, I have an 84 chevy. You want to talk about a great truck.

As usual, you have such an up to date experience to draw from. We should all pay close attention to your vast experience.

Are you really old or something?

[Bane]

I've had Dodge,Ford,And GM. I love my Silverado 2500 HD best of all.It has the 6.6 L duramax diesel and the allison transmission.I have it chipped out and have a digital bully dog programmer mounted on the dash.It will out pull any truck I've ever owned.The dodge was nice and sounded good but I had all kinds of transmission issues.The ford got better milage but just didn't had enough ass for me.In all fairness the dodge was a 2500 with the 5.9 L cummins diesel ,and the ford had the 5.4 L so the engines were no match for the Chevy.I have no complaints so far after 40,000 miles.

[Brock]

As usual, you have such an up to date experience to draw from. We should all pay close attention to your vast experience.

Are you really old or something?

Yep, as if on cue, here's the dumbshit loyalist who lets his feelings get in the way of fact. "Jif sucks, Skippy is the bestest!!!11" All I said was, I'd stay away from Dodge trucks. It's my opinion, based on my experience. If you don't like it go f*ck yourself.

[tooge]

Had an o4 F150 for 5 years. Drove it hard. Did all the maintenance ford recommended, and never had a single issue. Great truck. I sold it and bought a Tacoma cause I wanted something a little smaller. Good truck so far

[HemiEd]

Yep, as if on cue, here's the dumbshit loyalist who lets his feelings get in the way of fact. "Jif sucks, Skippy is the bestest!!!11" All I said was, I'd stay away from Dodge trucks. It's my opinion, based on my experience. If you don't like it go f*ck yourself.

I didn't quote that post stupid dumbass redneck. I quoted you saying you had a 25 year old truck, which makes your opinion on this matter mute. Mute, you are an irrelevent jackass. Now run along and go fist yourself you ignorant fuck.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

oh hai

[Brock]

Yep, my personal truck is 25 years old. Of course, if you had any critical thinking skills, you might have thought that I had practical experience in evaluating cars and trucks through my profession. And in my experience, Dodge trucks have more problems than other brands. That's about all I have to say about it.

[CoMoChief]

My suggestion is to target a vehicle like this:
http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=32904037&listingRecNum=1453&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26drvTrnId%3D27105%26mkId%3D20012%26stkTyp%3DU%26mdId%3D21858%26rd%3D100000%2 6crSrtFlds%3DstkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-prcId-drvTrnId%26zc%3D65806%26prcId%3D28644%26rn%3D1250%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dprice%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3D250%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

I own a 2005 and couldn't be happier.

Chrylser's make horrible vehicles. just my 2 cents. a Yota is a better bang for your buck.

[MahiMike]

When it comes to trucks in this country, there's a plethora of choices. Ford, Chevy, Toyota all are good. I've owned them all. I will say that my 2003 Tundra is the best truck I've ever had. I love the sound of the engine and it pulls 7200 lbs.

[sparkky]

I have a '97 Dodge Cummins with 250K miles on it and with a couple of better back tires I'd jump in it and start out to either coast with no hesitations. FWIW

but it's more truck than most need.

[SAUTO]

I will say my buddy has a straight 6 Cherokee that stills runs damn good for being a 94.

the 4.0 is one of the best motors they made(once they fixed the blow-by issue circa 1992-93)

[HemiEd]

http://detnews.com/article/20091126/OPINION03/911260331/

Toyota not looking so shiny now

Is the Toyota Motor Corp. juggernaut losing its conqueror-of-the-world mojo?

Because if it was a Detroit automaker that was recalling 4.26 million vehicles to repair accelerator problems, or if it was a Detroit automaker that had broken its historic no-plant-closings pledge, or if it was a Detroit automaker that had recalled more vehicles (2.38 million) in 2005 than it sold in the United States that year (2.26 million), the answer would be an emphatic yes.

The answer also would be yes if Toyota, an earnings powerhouse, suddenly stopped minting cash -- notwithstanding the three-month period ended Sept. 30 -- and was on track to lose billions more this year. The answer would be yes if its exponential market share gains suddenly slowed, or if its national rival, Honda Motor Co., kept delivering profits despite a global auto recession and its new South Korean rival, Hyundai-Kia, continued to grab precious U.S. market share.

News flash: The men running Toyota appear to be mortal. They overreach and make mistakes. Their vehicles are not flawless. Their engineers cut corners, at least in ways that garner the attention of the National Highway Traffic Administration. Their Camry no longer is the undisputed king of midsize cars, now that rivals Ford Motor Co. and even General Motors Co. are proving they can produce world-class metal, too.

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This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago, before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued Camry V-6.

He also said the magazine had decided new Toyota models could no longer be given the benefit of the doubt -- or its prized "recommended" label. And Toyota's V-8 powered Tundra four-wheel drive pickup was labeled "unreliable" by the magazine, the unofficial Bible to discerning car and truck buyers.

Two years before that, the global industry's gold standard for quality recalled more vehicles in the United States than it sold in the United States. There have been running customer complaints about sludge in its engines, and, more recently, growing federal skepticism over Toyota's response to the unintended acceleration probe.

'Grasping for salvation'
Infallible they aren't, as CEO Akio Toyoda, a scion of the founding family, conceded last month. Toyota, he said, is nearing "capitulation to irrelevance or death" and is "grasping for salvation." He also said the still cash-rich automaker has grown too arrogant on "the hubris born of success" and the "undisciplined pursuit of more."

Even adjusting for the Japanese cultural proclivity for excessive apology freighted with humility, those are stunning statements coming from a Toyota CEO. Considering that his name, save one letter, is on the proverbial building, the admissions are even more revealing.

Which means what, exactly?

That the Great Recession, the accelerant that pushed GM and Chrysler Group LLC into bankruptcy and fueled Ford's evident resurgence, also is rebalancing the automotive landscape in ways that seemed impossible just a few years ago.

Fresh from federally induced bankruptcy, GM's labor costs are competitive; its product portfolio is solid; its footprint in developing markets is impressive; and its debt load is enviably small, making it a potentially formidable competitor able to generate cash once the worst of the auto sales depression passes.

Ford arguably is building its best vehicles in a generation, if not a whole lot longer. The Blue Oval is booking monthly gains in its share of the U.S. market, an accomplishment seemingly reserved exclusively for Toyota not too long ago.

And Toyota's position as the undisputed quality leader and industry juggernaut clearly is in jeopardy. That's change you can believe in.

[Bugeater]

This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago, before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued Camry V-6.Well crap, any insight to what that is all about Ed?

Edit: I did some digging and it seems the problem is with '07s that have the 6-speed transmission. Whew!

[brorth]

I didn't quote that post stupid dumbass redneck. I quoted you saying you had a 25 year old truck, which makes your opinion on this matter mute. Mute, you are an irrelevent jackass. Now run along and go fist yourself you ignorant **** .

Was this serious?

It doesn't matter either way, I thought it was funny.

FWIW, I've always appreciated the fact that when Toyota recognizes a problem, they move aggressively to correct it.

As for the trucks, go to a good used car dealer and drive one of each. If it's just doing light towing, find the truck that feels most comfortable to you. You will notice that Toyotas will ride a little smoother, and have a better turning radius in general. That might be important if you're coming out of a car or don't need a truck.

[Lono]

I once had a 97 Dodge Ram, got hit, took the insurance money sold the truck for 2k, a month later the transmission went out. I like the looks of Dodge but that scares me. I like the looks of both the Toyotas and Silverado's. I am afraid it wouldn't be real comfy in the Toyota, it doesnt look like there is much room from the pictures im seeing.

[Bugeater]

Was this serious?

It doesn't matter either way, I thought it was funny.

FWIW, I've always appreciated the fact that when Toyota recognizes a problem, they move aggressively to correct it.

As for the trucks, go to a good used car dealer and drive one of each. If it's just doing light towing, find the truck that feels most comfortable to you. You will notice that Toyotas will ride a little smoother, and have a better turning radius in general. That might be important if you're coming out of a car or don't need a truck.
If you really think that, you're not paying attention.

[NewChief]

I didn't quote that post stupid dumbass redneck. I quoted you saying you had a 25 year old truck, which makes your opinion on this matter mute. Mute, you are an irrelevent jackass. Now run along and go fist yourself you ignorant ****.

I think Brock might be a mechanic. Not sure, though.

[Rain Man]

This is Chris Anderson's truck. Anderson is a backup player for the Denver Nuggets.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chris-Andersen-drives-a-bloody-monster-truck?urn=nba,205604

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__40/ept_sports_nba_experts-293251249-1259599864.jpg?ym4vYSCD.zej7PqH

[shitgoose]

One of our company trucks is a '00 GMC Sierra 1/2 ton Z-71 . I bought it in '05 with 90k and its currently has 188K. We didn't have a single problem until two months ago when the transmission started to slip. We pull a trailer with it all the time so it wasn't a surprise. It cost about $550 to get rebuilt. Anyway, we use drive the shit out of this truck and it has never let us down. I also have an '05 Chevy 3500 with the Duramax. Haven't had a single issue with it either and it has about 120K. We had a '96 Dodge 3500 with the 5.9 Cummins and we never had a single engine issue but we had problems with the transmission, front end, and some electrical issues. GM Trucks> Dodge trucks in my opinion.

[Brock]

Chevy>>>>>>>Dodge.

[kepp]

Hmmm...this thread has me leaning away from a Tacoma and towards a Silverado. I like them both, but I was leaning towards the Tacoma because I don't really need a full size truck.

[Pablo]

Hmmm...this thread has me leaning away from a Tacoma and towards a Silverado. I like them both, but I was leaning towards the Tacoma because I don't really need a full size truck.I've known a ton of people that have owned all the different models of Silverado's from the mid 80's to the current models. All have been pretty damn satisfied with their trucks.

[Brock]

The Tacoma is a good truck, but frankly, I'd rather have a Titan. If you want a full size truck, I don't think I'd buy any import. They're too expensive relative to the Fords and GMs.

[Boise_Chief]

I have a 92 f350 non turbo diesel. 330,000 miles no real problems. Clutch 2 starters alternator and 2 batteries. As long as you have a country mile to turn it around it has been a solid truck, and it's been paid off longer than some of my kids have been alive.

[Inspector]

I bought a Mazda extended cab, 6 cyl, auto, AC, pwr windows, appearance options, bed liner, etc...33,000 miles for $10k. I've had it for 7 years and it's been a great truck. So far.

Good luck.

[Easy 6]

Dodge Ram with a Hemi.

Find ten truck reviews from 09 on, i bet atleast 6 favor Ram... i'll even find some for ya later.

[Bill Lundberg]

I bought a 2007 Silverado a couple of months ago and absolutely love it. More get up and go than the F150 I had.

[brorth]

If you really think that, you're not paying attention.

Please point me in the right direction. You've got me thinking that I should buy fewer Toyotas and more, wait - what should I buy?

I can't seem to find where you've given an opinion, only where you corrected other's opinions.

Please take a stance so that I can determine if I should really research this further, or if you're just one of those that can't accept the fact that Toyota has become one of the "Big Three" American auto manufacturers.

And yes, they are. Have been since 2007.

The Cars.com American-Made Index
By Kelsey Mays, Cars.com
What Are the Top American-Made Cars?
Cars.com's American-Made Index rates vehicles built and bought in the U.S. Factors include sales, where the car's parts are made and whether the car is assembled in the U.S. Models that have been discontinued are disqualified, as are those with a domestic-parts content rating below 75 percent.
Rank Make/Model U.S. Assembly Location* Last Rank
1. Toyota Camry** Georgetown, Ky.; Lafayette, Ind. —
2. Ford F-150 Dearborn, Mich.; Claycomo, Mo. 1
3. Chevrolet Malibu*** Kansas City, Kan. 3
4. Honda Odyssey Lincoln, Ala. 7
5. Chevrolet Silverado 1500*** Fort Wayne, Ind. 8
6. Toyota Sienna Princeton, Ind. 6
7. Toyota Tundra San Antonio 5
8. GMC Sierra 1500*** Fort Wayne, Ind. —
9. Ford Taurus Chicago —
10. Toyota Venza Georgetown, Ky. —

*Excludes assembly plants suspended or scheduled for shutdown: Pontiac, Mich. (Chevrolet Silverado, GMC Sierra) and Orion Township, Mich. (Chevrolet Malibu).
**Excludes hybrid models, which are broken out separately, as well as the Toyota Camry Solara.
***Excludes hybrid models, which are broken out separately — or, in the case of the Malibu Hybrid, suspended for consumer sales.

Sources: Automaker data, Automotive News, dealership data, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

[booyaf2]

Here's the list of vehicles I've had since getting a drivers license. Only the granada was a piece of shit. Otherwise I have ZERO complaints.

2010 Ford F-150 Lariat SuperCrew 4x4
2006 Ford F-150 Lariat SuperCrew 4x4
2003 Ford F-150 FX4 SuperCab 4x4
1997 Ford F-150 Regular Cab 4x4 Off-Road Package
1990 Ford F-150 Lariat Regular Cab 4x4
1986 Ford F-150 Lariat Regular Cab 4x4
1981 Ford Granada 4 door Custom

See a pattern?

[Iowanian]

I'm about to be in the truck market. I've got a 2000 F150 that has been a very good truck, with the exception of a squeak I've been unable to tame in 3 years and a developing window leak. I just need a full 4 door now for a couple of reasons.

I've got connections and always buy wholesale.

I'll probably get an 08 GMC/Chevy 4 door half, or an 2010 Ford based on what I've seen so far. I'm a ford guy, but I like the newer chevy trucks for power, cab size and quiet ride. I like the new fords for the gas mileage, cab and that Ford didn't take the bailout money....

The used market is pretty high right now.

[kstater]

See a pattern?

Yeah, you've had to buy a new truck every 4-5 years. You'd think after a couple trucks you'd try to find one a little more reliable.

[HemiEd]

Dodge Ram with a Hemi.

Find ten truck reviews from 09 on, i bet atleast 6 favor Ram... i'll even find some for ya later.

Yeah, I have never heard any complaints from owners either. I know a lot of them, but I don't have one, so I haven't offered an opinion.

There just may have been a reason why Nissan was working on a deal for Dodge to make their ugly, non selling, Titan for them.

Yeah, you've had to buy a new truck every 4-5 years. You'd think after a couple trucks you'd try to find one a little more reliable.

Some people enjoy a new vehicle and get bored with the old one after a while, it doesn't have to be about reliability.

[Iowanian]

I know alot of truck guys...farmers, construction and rodeo people who haul/pull trailers.

The biggest complaint I've heard about Dodge...since the new design in the 90s has been the front ends are light and give them problems.

[kepp]

Yeah, you've had to buy a new truck every 4-5 years. You'd think after a couple trucks you'd try to find one a little more reliable.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to ask him about.

[BIG_DADDY]

Good read. I am still a couple years out but definately want something with a Cummins diesel next time around.

[kepp]

Good read. I am still a couple years out but definately want something with a Cummins diesel next time around.

What are the pros/cons with diesel?

[shitgoose]

What are the pros/cons with diesel?

Pros- Tons of power. Great for pulling. Last longer than gasoline engines.

Cons- Expensive. They cost more to buy and repair. Fuel is also more expensive.

[BIG_DADDY]

What are the pros/cons with diesel?

They go forever.

I am going to wait until the next time fuel skyrockets and pick up something slightly used at a big discount. Last time I picked up a 97 GMC Z71 4x4 with a full california customs package, new leather seats and $1,000 wheels for only $2,500. It's amazing the deals you can get when fuel spikes.

[BIG_DADDY]

Pros- Tons of power. Great for pulling. Last longer than gasoline engines.

Cons- Expensive. They cost more to buy and repair. Fuel is also more expensive.

The longevity more than makes up any difference in cost. Love the power.

[Bugeater]

Please point me in the right direction. You've got me thinking that I should buy fewer Toyotas and more, wait - what should I buy?

I can't seem to find where you've given an opinion, only where you corrected other's opinions.

Please take a stance so that I can determine if I should really research this further, or if you're just one of those that can't accept the fact that Toyota has become one of the "Big Three" American auto manufacturers.

And yes, they are. Have been since 2007.

The Cars.com American-Made Index
By Kelsey Mays, Cars.com
What Are the Top American-Made Cars?
Cars.com's American-Made Index rates vehicles built and bought in the U.S. Factors include sales, where the car's parts are made and whether the car is assembled in the U.S. Models that have been discontinued are disqualified, as are those with a domestic-parts content rating below 75 percent.
Rank Make/Model U.S. Assembly Location* Last Rank
1. Toyota Camry** Georgetown, Ky.; Lafayette, Ind. —
2. Ford F-150 Dearborn, Mich.; Claycomo, Mo. 1
3. Chevrolet Malibu*** Kansas City, Kan. 3
4. Honda Odyssey Lincoln, Ala. 7
5. Chevrolet Silverado 1500*** Fort Wayne, Ind. 8
6. Toyota Sienna Princeton, Ind. 6
7. Toyota Tundra San Antonio 5
8. GMC Sierra 1500*** Fort Wayne, Ind. —
9. Ford Taurus Chicago —
10. Toyota Venza Georgetown, Ky. —

*Excludes assembly plants suspended or scheduled for shutdown: Pontiac, Mich. (Chevrolet Silverado, GMC Sierra) and Orion Township, Mich. (Chevrolet Malibu).
**Excludes hybrid models, which are broken out separately, as well as the Toyota Camry Solara.
***Excludes hybrid models, which are broken out separately — or, in the case of the Malibu Hybrid, suspended for consumer sales.

Sources: Automaker data, Automotive News, dealership data, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
Well gee, there was a thread on the front page today about the frame rust issues on the Tundra so I'm assuming you missed that, and there was a thread here recently about unintended acceleration on many newer Toyota and Lexus cars, you must have missed that as well.

Since you obviously don't want to do any research yourself, I'll summarize the two issues and if you need any further information just start Googling.

As far as the Tundra, even though there are cases of, among other things, steering boxes and brake lines rusting off of the frames, the only thing Toyota has recalled so far is the crossmember that the spare tire mounts to because it's the only part of the frame that is replaceable.

And as far as the acceleration issues, even though it's pretty apparent it's an electronics issue (the computer, not your foot, controls the throttle on these cars) Toyota is busy blaming floor mats and the size of the accelerator pedal.

I'd hardly call either of these things "aggressively moving to address the issue".

[Bugeater]

Pros- Tons of power. Great for pulling. Last longer than gasoline engines.

Cons- Expensive. They cost more to buy and repair. Fuel is also more expensive.
And they're friggin' noisy and stinky and if you own one please shut the blasted thing off when you're in the bank drive-thru.

[BIG_DADDY]

And they're friggin' noisy and stinky and if you own one please shut the blasted thing off when you're in the bank drive-thru.

That's what's kept me away so far. ROFL

[Soupnazi]

For the diesel vs. gas thing you have to consider your economics of your situation. I bought a 04 crew cab 3/4 ton chevy with the 8.1L gas engine last year for about $12k less than I would've paid for the diesel. I drive it maybe 7,000 miles a year, so for the cost savings initially, I'll never make it up in mileage. Even without the diesel, this thing will pull a huge load very convincingly.

My experience would be to stay away from automatic-transmission Dodges, but otherwise a used Ford, Chevy/GMC, or manual-transmission Dodge that have been well taken care of will do nicely. I'm not an import hater, but the Titan and Tundra's short track records have not been good so far.

[HemiEd]

That's what's kept me away so far. ROFL

I brought a crew cab diesel duallie home a couple years ago, considering purchasing it.

It was a gorgeous red truck, but when I pulled into a drive thru, had to shut it off.

The noise just resonated off the building with the window down, they couldn't hear me, and of course I couldn't hear them.

[Garcia Bronco]

This is Chris Anderson's truck. Anderson is a backup player for the Denver Nuggets.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Chris-Andersen-drives-a-bloody-monster-truck?urn=nba,205604

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nba_experts__40/ept_sports_nba_experts-293251249-1259599864.jpg?ym4vYSCD.zej7PqH

That's the 650...an older one I believe. It's badass.

[Easy 6]

I kinda went outside your $15k parameters, with 09 & up, but even if you have to go older, here are just a few of the kinds of awards Ram engineers regularly garner...

Car & Driver Editors Choice - Big 3 (GM, Ford, Dodge) full size comparison, Mar 09.

Truckin Magazine - 09 Truck of the Year

Texas Auto Writers Assn - Texas truck of the year 09-10

Edmunds. com - Editors Most Wanted 09

Autobytel - Editors Choice/ Truck of the Year 09

Wards - 10 best engines 09

Automotive Journalists Assn. Canada - Best New Pickup

International Truck of the Year - survey compiled by J.D. Power

Strategic Visions - Total Quality Index Survey 09 - Winner

Consumer Digest - Best Buy 09

New England Motor Press Assn. - Best In Class 09

Motorweek - Drivers Choice Award 09

Cars. com - Work Truck of the Year 09

Wards - Interior of the Year 09

Do yourself a favor & find a used Dodge Ram... Brocks advice on Chevy > Dodge, ROFL its not even close. Toyota? Nissan? how long have they been making full size pickups again? answer - not bloody long.

[Bwana]

One of my outfits is a Ford Super Duty F-250 with the V-10. Zero issues with it. I don't drive it much anymore other than pulling my toys, which is a good thing considering the gas mileage. :)

[Easy 6]

One of my outfits is a Ford Super Duty F-250 with the V-10. Zero issues with it. I don't drive it much anymore other than pulling my toys, which is a good thing considering the gas mileage. :)

Yea, Ford makes a pretty damn good truck.

What kills me in this thread though, is all of the hosannas for Nissan & Toyota... gimme a ****ing break :shake:.

[Bwana]

Yea, Ford makes a pretty damn good truck.

What kills me in this thread though, is all of the hosannas for Nissan & Toyota... gimme a ****ing break :shake:.

They would be ok, if you're not pulling, but if you are pulling the loads I pull up mountain roads.............good luck.

[Ebolapox]

Ok, I need some ideas for a descent truck...?

did you old truck GO DOWN?... :p

[Marcellus]

Ok, I need some ideas for a descent truck for $15k or less. I would really like at least an extended cab. I like the Silverado's, but I also want something that isn't going to break down all the time. What say you?

I have an 05' crew cab Silverado. Bought it new and it hasn't given me any problems. Love it.

You could find something similar for less than 15K.

[Brock]

Yea, Ford makes a pretty damn good truck.

What kills me in this thread though, is all of the hosannas for Nissan & Toyota... gimme a ****ing break :shake:.

Yeah, because Nissan and Toyota notoriously suck. :rolleyes: Good Christ. If there are any incongruous "hosannas" in this thread it's for that zombie company you seem to be infatuated with.

[stevieray]

...these threads are silly, cause they always end up the same..

buy a fordgmdodgetoyotanissanhonda already.

[Easy 6]

Yeah, because Nissan and Toyota notoriously suck. :rolleyes: Good Christ. If there are any incongruous "hosannas" in this thread it's for that zombie company you seem to be infatuated with.

Sure, Japan makes a great car, but a full size pickup that can do it all everyday? c'mon, the info's out there.

[Brock]

I didn't get the impression he was going to be pulling tree stumps. Did you?

[HemiEd]

I have a '97 Dodge Cummins with 250K miles on it and with a couple of better back tires I'd jump in it and start out to either coast with no hesitations. FWIW

but it's more truck than most need.

Have you had any transmission, or front end issues? Stick or automatic?

[Fairplay]

On a side note. In the thread Cyber Mondays, most of the products people mentioned are electronics and foreign made. :(

[HemiEd]

I kinda went outside your $15k parameters, with 09 & up, but even if you have to go older, here are just a few of the kinds of awards Ram engineers regularly garner...

Car & Driver Editors Choice - Big 3 (GM, Ford, Dodge) full size comparison, Mar 09.

Truckin Magazine - 09 Truck of the Year

Texas Auto Writers Assn - Texas truck of the year 09-10

Edmunds. com - Editors Most Wanted 09

Autobytel - Editors Choice/ Truck of the Year 09

Wards - 10 best engines 09

Automotive Journalists Assn. Canada - Best New Pickup

International Truck of the Year - survey compiled by J.D. Power

Strategic Visions - Total Quality Index Survey 09 - Winner

Consumer Digest - Best Buy 09

New England Motor Press Assn. - Best In Class 09

Motorweek - Drivers Choice Award 09

Cars. com - Work Truck of the Year 09

Wards - Interior of the Year 09

Do yourself a favor & find a used Dodge Ram... Brocks advice on Chevy > Dodge, ROFL its not even close. Toyota? Nissan? how long have they been making full size pickups again? answer - not bloody long.
Those outfits don't know anything[/Brock]

[Easy 6]

I didn't get the impression he was going to be pulling tree stumps. Did you?

If your just going to tool around town taking the fam to dinner, having a 4wd system thats rarely used, or arent pulling/hauling anything of substantial weight, then sure, get a Toyota. Some of their haul ratings are quite high, but totally unproven.

Why buy a 'truck' that isnt a truck?

[Brock]

Well, if you're going to take your outlook to an extreme, then nobody should buy a half-ton, or for that matter, a three quarter ton, pickup. They should go straight to the Dually one ton.

Speaking for myself, I've had the same 2wd half ton pickup for 25 years and it's done everything I've ever needed to do, and probably holds true for 99 percent of people.

[googlegoogle]

http://www.photopumpkin.com/wp-content/uploads/giant-truck-1.jpg

[Phobia]

I drive a 97 F-350 with the 7.3L Diesel. It's chipped, lifted, and has all the toys except for the upgraded exhaust. Running 240k and expect to get at least another 100-150k out of it. I replace U-joints all the time but aside from that and a few alternators and batteries everything is awesome. Will replace the s-belt tomorrow and dive into a gasket problem that has it dripping some fuel due to the changes in diesel a couple years back. I've owned several Ford trucks and have had good luck. I won't consider an import truck - mostly because I need an 8-foot bed. But Ford has been good to me in the truck department.

[kepp]

...here are just a few of the kinds of awards Ram engineers regularly garner...
Car & Driver Editors Choice - Big 3 (GM, Ford, Dodge) full size comparison, Mar 09.
Truckin Magazine - 09 Truck of the Year
Texas Auto Writers Assn - Texas truck of the year 09-10
Edmunds. com - Editors Most Wanted 09
Autobytel - Editors Choice/ Truck of the Year 09
Wards - 10 best engines 09
Automotive Journalists Assn. Canada - Best New Pickup
International Truck of the Year - survey compiled by J.D. Power
Strategic Visions - Total Quality Index Survey 09 - Winner
Consumer Digest - Best Buy 09
New England Motor Press Assn. - Best In Class 09
Motorweek - Drivers Choice Award 09
Cars. com - Work Truck of the Year 09
Wards - Interior of the Year 09

But don't all these awards speak to initial quality and not long-term reliability or cost of ownership? I couldn't care less if my truck had the best interior of 2009 if the transmission dies in 2012. I'm not saying that's the case, but are there any awards given for long-term quality?

[Lono]

did you old truck GO DOWN?... :p

Actually I had a S 10, when I got a new job and moved, the wife talked me into getting a car for gas mileage. I freaking hate it. I graduate the 18th with my BS and will get a nice bump in paygrade for next school year. I like to start looking in advance and try to gauge where prices are and if it is a good deal or not ahead of time.

[booyaf2]

Pretty much exactly what I was going to ask him about.

Was never a reliability issue. I just upgrade to a newer model every few years. Switched from regular cab to supercab as soon as kids hit the ground, didn't take long for them to outgrow the smallish backseat in that truck and moved up to a supercrew. Recently bought a new supercrew for no other reason than i just wanted a new one.

[rockymtnchief]

I've driven or owned pretty much all full sized trucks. The Chevy seems to be the nicest ride on the highway. It's comfy and smooth. What I didn't like, compared to others, was the roll feel going into tight corners. You really notice it going from a Chevy to a Ford. I also seemed to be replacing either the alternator or starter around 100,000 miles.

As of now, I drive an '89 F-150 with 207,000 miles on it. It's lifted with over-sized tires and is begining to show it's age. The only thing I've replaced is the battery and tires.

My other truck is an '06 F-350 stroker. It rides rough when it's empty, but when towing or loaded it's smooth. I actually raced a new Duramax 3 years ago just to compare the results. The Ford didn't come close to running the 1/4 mile as fast as the Chevy. But the roll-on test (60-80 mph) the Ford showed more strength.

The reason I'm sold on Fords now is because it's the only truck that comes standard with locking hubs. My Chevy left me stranded too many times. In my experience, the Chevy and Dodge will not engage into 4-wheel unless the vehicle is moving. I've parked, had the truck sink in mud/get snowed in and been stuck. No problem with the locking hubs.

All in all, I like all three just fine. If I was using it for running around town or the highway only, I like the Chevy. For towing, I like the Dodge and Ford. For work and toughness, I like Ford.

[kepp]

The reason I'm sold on Fords now is because it's the only truck that comes standard with locking hubs. My Chevy left me stranded too many times. In my experience, the Chevy and Dodge will not engage into 4-wheel unless the vehicle is moving. I've parked, had the truck sink in mud/get snowed in and been stuck. No problem with the locking hubs.

Interesting...I'll remember that.

[BIG_DADDY]

Well, if you're going to take your outlook to an extreme, then nobody should buy a half-ton, or for that matter, a three quarter ton, pickup. They should go straight to the Dually one ton.

Speaking for myself, I've had the same 2wd half ton pickup for 25 years and it's done everything I've ever needed to do, and probably holds true for 99 percent of people.

Man up you pussy.

[rockymtnchief]

Interesting...I'll remember that.

I guess I should've mentioned that the locking hubs only come standard on an F-250 or bigger, I believe.

Now if you're looking at something older, I have owned older Chevys with locking hubs.

[Easy 6]

But don't all these awards speak to initial quality and not long-term reliability or cost of ownership? I couldn't care less if my truck had the best interior of 2009 if the transmission dies in 2012. I'm not saying that's the case, but are there any awards given for long-term quality?

I havent seen anything in that regard for any make of truck, but i'm sure you could find some info at the J.D. Power site. Dodge trans used to get a lot of flack for good reason, but they've come a very long way since then.

Didnt want to come off like i'm being paid by Dodge or something, its not that big of a deal to me what you folks buy. I like different vehicles from every American maker (a top line new Chevy Malibu is sweeet), i guess what bugs me sometimes is the unwarranted bad rap so many people give American auto's.

[ferrarispider95]

I drive a 97 F-350 with the 7.3L Diesel. It's chipped, lifted, and has all the toys except for the upgraded exhaust. Running 240k and expect to get at least another 100-150k out of it. I replace U-joints all the time but aside from that and a few alternators and batteries everything is awesome. Will replace the s-belt tomorrow and dive into a gasket problem that has it dripping some fuel due to the changes in diesel a couple years back. I've owned several Ford trucks and have had good luck. I won't consider an import truck - mostly because I need an 8-foot bed. But Ford has been good to me in the truck department.

Same engine, truck a few years newer. If you do a lot of heavy pulling an exhaust would be a pretty cheap upgrade and help keep your egts down, especially if you are running the chip in the. higher hp/torque settings.

I have the 4" exhaust, edge programmer, but need to get an open intake.

I have owned a 1999 f250 7.3 diesel, 2004 Ram 1500 hemi, and a 2001 Chevrolet 1500.

I would rank them
Ford
Chevrolet
Dodge

I

[kcchuck]

96 Dodge reg cab 4x4 with the old 318, works for me, but it did have the transmission rebuilt in 08.

[Phobia]

I don't do a lot of heavy pulling. I pull a little 10' enclosed work trailer that doesn't even feel like it's back there a couple times a month.

[GoHuge]

Have a 05 Silverado Extended cab LT 4 Wheel Drive. 51,000 miles and only had one problem. Instrument panel went out about two thousand miles ago. Called to check on the price at the dealer because it was outta warranty. Dealer said $425, but there had been a problem with some so GM warrantied the panels and replaced it for free. Thought that kicked ass. Always have and always will be a GM guy. Blue Book in excellent condition which it is and the low miles mine lists at $16,500 private buyer. It's leathered up, loaded with the sun roof but you could easily find something similar with maybe higher miles within your price range.
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