ESPN: Weis out at Notre Dame

[OnTheWarpath15]

Per New York Daily News. Sorry, no link. Posting from phone, just saw on ticker at lunch.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

...shocking.





...eh

[The Franchise]

About fucking time. Now lets get a real coach.

[Pioli Zombie]

He was looking at houses in Overland Park.
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[The Franchise]

That also means that Clausen will enter the draft this year......Golden Tate as well.

[gblowfish]

Maybe Notre Dame will hire another fat guy who's tough on his players...

[The Franchise]

I hope we get Brian Kelly.

[BigRedChief]

He was looking at houses in Overland Park.
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Print Em!

[Jerm]

I wonder if they'll put the full court press on Stoops now.
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[Bugeater]

Sorry, I won't believe it until I see a link.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Chiefs next OC?

[Garcia Bronco]

About ****ing time. Now lets get a real coach.

It won't help recruiting no matter who you get. Only the Almighty can make that team better.

[ChiefsCountry]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4700891

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Enters Bob Stoops...

[BigRedChief]

Chiefs next OC?Sounds good to me. :clap:

[The Franchise]

Enters Bob Stoops...

God I hope not.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Sounds good to me. :clap:

Yeah that's what Peter King said last night on SNF. The front runners are Kansas City and Carolina.

[BigRedChief]

Yeah that's what Peter King said last night on SNF. The front runners are Kansas City and Carolina.
From his MMQB article
The Charlie Weis Tote Board.

Spin the spinner: Where will Weis land once he's fired by Notre Dame? Well, eliminate Cleveland in the increasingly unlikely event that Eric Mangini keeps his job. Weis and Mangini coached together in New England but are not pals. I wouldn't be surprised to see Al Davis go hard after Weis, by the way, seeing that the Raiders won't exactly be picking from the Shanahan-Cowher tree of top candidates. But as for offensive coordinator possibilities for Weis, I'd list five teams:

1. New England, obviously. Bill Belichick hasn't given the offensive coordinator's title to Bill O'Brien this year, even though O'Brien has done a good play-calling job lately. Weis was vital to Tom Brady in his formative years, but Brady's all grown up now, so it's reasonable to wonder if Belichick would view Brady as needing Weis after five seasons without him.

2. Carolina. Weis and John Fox are close friends and current Panthers offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson worked under Weis in New England. Carolina's offense needs better quarterback play (actually, the offense needs any quarterback play) and needs to make better use of Steve Smith --two areas that are strong suits for Weis. Now, if Fox gets fired, scratch Carolina.

3. Kansas City. The Chiefs don't have a coordinator in the wake of the midseason departure of Chan Gailey. GM Scott Pioli and Weis worked together with the Jets and Pats. Not sure if Todd Haley and Weis, both strong personalities, would be oil and water.

4. Indianapolis. Surprised? I don't see it happening, but it's intriguing. Brian Polian, son of Bill, is Notre Dame's special-teams coach, an ace recruiter and is tight with Weis. Colts brass loves Notre Dame and has high regard for Weis, and you can be sure Bill Polian and Manning would love to keep him from returning to New England. But here are two reasons it probably wouldn't happen. Tom Moore, the offensive coordinator for the Colts throughout Manning's 12-year career, seems likely to return in 2010. And when he's gone, it's likely the Colts would promote from within with assistant head coach/receivers coach Clyde Christensen.

5. Chicago. If Lovie Smith returns in Chicago, he may have to sacrifice offensive coordinator Ron Turner to shake up a bad team. Weis would be a candidate.

[MMXcalibur]

Yeah that's what Peter King said last night on SNF. The front runners are Kansas City and Carolina.

Could Haley and Weis conflict in their game planning? I don't know much of Weis, but if he's anything near as hotheaded as Haley is, that might not be a great combination.....

[Frazod]

Mangino FTW! LMAO

[Micjones]

Get on the phone NOW Scott and lock him up for next season!

If Todd Haley is smart... He'll realize having Weis is good both for the team and his job security. With a competent play-caller/offensive game planner on his staff he'll be much less likely to get axed for offensive inefficiency.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Could Haley and Weis conflict in their game planning? I don't know much of Weis, but if he's anything near as hotheaded as Haley is, that might not be a great combination.....

I think they mesh better than Gailey and Haley. Both Haley and Weis are aggressive play callers. If anything, they'll feed off each other's minds, IMO.

[mlyonsd]

I just don't see a Haley/Weis relationship being a good thing.

[Chiefnj2]

I'd take Jimmy Raye over Haley at this point.

[Demonpenz]

chan gailey to ND

[ChiefsCountry]

I love how the media keeps forgeting that Haley/Weis were on the same staff with the Jets. Haley was the WR coach and Weis was the OC. They keep harping on the Pioli/Patriots thing when in all honesty they should be looking at that Haley/Weis actually worked together before.

[SLAG]

I'd take Jimmy Raye over Haley at this point.

I demand that you go set yourself on fire while masturbating to pictures of paul hackett

[HemiEd]

Could Haley and Weis conflict in their game planning? I don't know much of Weis, but if he's anything near as hotheaded as Haley is, that might not be a great combination.....

Haley seems to be learning a lot, as a rookie HC. Maybe letting an OC do his job, is one of them.

[Chiefnj2]

I demand that you go set yourself on fire while masturbating to pictures of paul hackett

14th, 8th and 9th - KC's scoring offense his three years as OC. Much better than what KC has right now.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

14th, 8th and 9th - KC's scoring offense his three years as OC. Much better than what KC has right now.

Yes, but look at our talent then and now though.

[Brock]

Yes, but look at our talent then and now though.

Not much better. Our receiving corps is better outside of Tony Gonzalez. The RBs are probably better too.

[txhawk]

Butch Davis to ND? I saw that somewhere as a suggestion. That would be a good fit I think.

[MoreLemonPledge]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/ECKoolAid/lolsports/narcoleptic-charlie-weis.jpg

[Jerm]

Kinda surprised Mark Richt's name hasn't been linked with ND. Good coach, GREAT recruiter, and is heavily involved with his faith.
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[CoMoChief]

I just don't see a Haley/Weis relationship being a good thing.

Ok then who would have a good working relationship with Haley??? Since it appears that everyone here thinks Haley is such an asshole, that he can't work with anyone. I think Weis would be a great OC. There's no reason why he wouldn't be able to come to KC and be a good coach under Haley. Piloi would prob just tell Todd to STFU.

[BigChiefFan]

I think we can do better. Brady's play makes alot of coaches look good.

[DeezNutz]

I think we can do better. Brady's play makes alot of coaches look good.

GMs, too.

[BigChiefFan]

GMs, too.
I agree, but who picked that player? Pioli had a hand in drafting Brady. It's impossible to sweep that fact under the rug.

[Titty Meat]

GMs, too.

You know when Pioli was the GM in New England they were 5-11 the first year right?

[DeezNutz]

I agree, but who picked that player? Pioli had a hand in drafting Brady. It's impossible to sweep that fact under the rug.

It's been pretty widely reported that it was the QB coach at the time, I believe, who forced the hand on the Brady selection. Others wanted Tim Rattay.

Someone has to win the lottery.

[DeezNutz]

You know when Pioli was the GM in New England they were 5-11 the first year right?

That was the Hoodie's fault.

[BigChiefFan]

It's been pretty widely reported that it was the QB coach at the time, I believe, who forced the hand on the Brady selection. Others wanted Tim Rattay.

Someone has to win the lottery. They have others players, too, ya know? Acknowledging his entire body of work, he has acquired some very good players throught out the years and has several SB championships, as well, to back that he KNOWS what he's doing.

I think most KNEW this season would be used as an evaluation year and so I'm not surprised in the least that his first year here, is about pouring the foundation. I never expected 4 walls, at this point, so you'll excuse me, if I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, less than a year into his tenure here. What did you expect his first year?

[DeezNutz]

They have others players, too, ya know? Acknowledging his entire body of work, he has acquired some very good players throught out the years and has several SB championships, as well, to back that he KNOWS what he's doing.

I think most KNEW this season would be used as an evaluation year and so I'm not surprised in the least that his first year here, is about pouring the foundation. I never expected 4 walls, at this point, so you'll excuse me, if I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, less than a year into his tenure here. What did you expect his first year?

"He"? What exactly did "he" do? What is "his" body of work?

[KCUnited]

They got off to a rocky start but it looks like NE has finally made the adjustment and got back on track after losing Pioli.

[Pioli Zombie]

"He"? What exactly did "he" do? What is "his" body of work?
Uh, I dunno, maybe the guy who told Belichick all those years "hey this guy is good" or "hey this guy isn't so good". Yeah, how important is that???
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[kcxiv]

Not much better. Our receiving corps is better outside of Tony Gonzalez. The RBs are probably better too.

Our offensive line was a FUCKTON better back then. I mean a huge huge huge huge fucking talent gap.

[DeezNutz]

Pioli was the mastermind behind the Hoodie. Cool. We're lucky to have Scott.

This failed off-season (draft, FA acquisitions)...all part of the master plan. Oh, scratch the "failed" part, then.

[Brock]

Our offensive line was a FUCKTON better back then. I mean a huge huge huge huge fucking talent gap.

You're overstating it. They had one pro-bowler on the offensive line.

[DeezNutz]

According to CP, this is the worst offensive line in the history of professional football.

[BigChiefFan]

"He"? What exactly did "he" do? What is "his" body of work?
Oh, you didn't hear? He stood around with his thumb his ass for a decade and stumbled upon NFL EXECUTIVE OF THE DECADE award and mutiple SB victories. :D


Kidding aside...It's well-documented that Pioli and BB worked closely together.

[blaise]

Mangino and Weiss can jump on two mopeds and ride side by side into the sunset.

[Chiefnj2]

2000 Chiefs - Offense

QB Elvis Grbac

RB Kimble Anders
FB Tony Richardson
WR Derrick Alexander
WR Sylvester Morris
TE Tony Gonzalez*


LT John Tait
LG Jeff Blackshear
C Tim Grunhard
RG Will Shields*
RT Victor Riley

[DeezNutz]

Oh, you didn't hear? He stood around with his thumb his ass for a decade and stumbled upon NFL EXECUTIVE OF THE YEAR award and mutiple SB victories. :D


Kidding aside...It's well-documented that Pioli and BB worked closely together.

Executive of the Millennium. Get it right.

And we're lucky he's that good; otherwise we would have signed a far lesser backup QB this past off-season and assembled a far worse offensive line. And what could we have possibly done without Haley's favorite player of all-time?

[BigChiefFan]

Executive of the Millennium. Get it right.

And we're lucky he's that good; otherwise we would have signed a far lesser backup QB this past off-season and assembled a far worse offensive line. And what could we have possibly done without Haley's favorite player of all-time?Yeah, I'm certain Jason Brown wanted to sign on a 2-14 team. We should have traded for Peyton Manning, too. :D

[KCUnited]

Mangino and Weiss can jump on two mopeds and ride side by side into the sunset.
That would be perfect if Cialis cured Fupa's.

[DeezNutz]

Yeah, I'm certain Jason Brown wanted to sign on a 2-14 team. We should have traded for Peyton Manning, too. :D

You're aware where Brown plays now, right?

[DaKCMan AP]

Kinda surprised Mark Richt's name hasn't been linked with ND. Good coach, GREAT recruiter, and is heavily involved with his faith.
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ROFL

Richt is an average coach who has underperformed at Georgia and resorted to cheap motivational tactics that have since bit him in the ass.

[BigChiefFan]

You're aware where Brown plays now, right?

You aware that they have the worst record in the NFL and so he didn't help them improve their record, so it's good that we passed on his inflated salary?

[The Franchise]

You aware that they have the worst record in the NFL and so he didn't help them improve their record, so it's good that we passed on his inflated salary?

The Rams have a lot of problems.

Brown would have at least solved our center issue.

[Skyy God]

You're aware where Brown plays now, right?

And their current record, for that matter.

[DeezNutz]

You aware that they have the worst record in the NFL and so he didn't help them improve their record, so it's good that we passed on his inflated salary?

http://virtualwolf.org/images/ars/cat_wtf.jpg

[Mojo Jojo]

You know when Pioli was the GM in New England they were 5-11 the first year right?

You do realize Pioli was never the GM in New England. His top title was VP of Player Personnel. The 5-11 season he was Assistant Director of Player Personnel.

[DeezNutz]

The Rams have a lot of problems.

Brown would have at least solved our center issue.

No, no. He has not single-handedly won any games this year. Pass.

Give that money to a 5 tech, where it's better served.

[Titty Meat]

You do realize Pioli was never the GM in New England. His top title was VP of Player Personnel. The 5-11 season he was Assistant Director of Player Personnel.

Whats your point?

[ChiefsCountry]

I think we can do better. Brady's play makes alot of coaches look good.

Weis took Vinny Testervade and had a top 5 offense in New York.

[BigChiefFan]

The Rams have a lot of problems.

Brown would have at least solved our center issue.
I agree, he mostly like would have, but I didn't expect Pioli to start signing some of the highest paid FAs last year, without seeing FIRST HAND, what he was dealing with.

The point of Brown is, that he was in it for the money and would have been a waste of money, without knowing full well what the team consists of. I don't believe it's unfair to give somebody TIME to become acquainted with what they are dealing with. Pioli has not been given ample time to assemble his team. Less than a year's time to build with a complete cluster of a roster.

In other words, you don't build the house, without the FOUNDATION being put in place FIRST.

[ChiefsCountry]

Whats your point?

That he was Hoodie's ballwasher.

[DeezNutz]

In other words, you don't build the house, without the FOUNDATION being put in place FIRST.

What part of the house is Matt Thigpen?

[BigChiefFan]

Weis took Vinny Testervade and had a top 5 offense in New York.

That's a valid point and a feather in Weiss' cap. I'm not opposed to him as coordinator, I'm just a little leary that being canned from ND might effect his overall stability next year. I think he'll be looking for a HEAD Coaching job and don't believe he'll be ready to answer to someone so quickly.

[BigChiefFan]

What part of the house is Matt Thigpen?The back-up generator?:D

[DeezNutz]

The back-up generator?:D

ROFL

[Titty Meat]

That he was Hoodie's ballwasher.

New York & Baltimore too?

[The Franchise]

That's a valid point and a feather in Weiss' cap. I'm not opposed to him as coordinator, I'm just a little leary that being canned from ND might effect his overall stability next year. I think he'll be looking for a HEAD Coaching job and don't believe he'll be ready to answer to someone so quickly.

Honestly...I think that Weis will welcome a job as a coordinator. He got to see first hand how much work is involved in being a head coach in the spotlight. He's not going to want to take another head coaching job because if he fails......he's fucked.

[kcxiv]

You're overstating it. They had one pro-bowler on the offensive line.

as a unit they were pretty darned good. As a unit the 2009 suck. As individuals they are all average to less then average.

[DumbHillbillies]

No shock here and no thanks to him becoming our offensive coordinator. Charlie, take your 15 million and get so fat that they need a forklift to extract you from bed.

[irishjayhawk]

Going on record: I don't want him as O-Coord.

[Brock]

as a unit they were pretty darned good. As a unit the 2009 suck. As individuals they are all average to less then average.

They were all right. Grbac was sacked around 30 times per year.

[BigChiefFan]

They were all right. Grbac was sacked around 30 times per year.
In 10 games, he's been sacked 35 times. Ouch.

[Mr. Laz]

Chiefs next OC?
he would be an upgrade over what we got now but i haven't seen anything from him that seems impressive.

[Red Dawg]

Scott should give him our OC job immediately. Fire Pendergast and get Crennel's fat but in the DC chair.

[ChiefsCountry]

I think he'll be looking for a HEAD Coaching job and don't believe he'll be ready to answer to someone so quickly.

Turn our sorry ass offense around and he will have head coaching jobs awaiting him.

[HemiEd]

And what could we have possibly done without Haley's favorite player of all-time?

I almost spit up my drink, when I heard that yesterday. Even if it was true, he shouldn't tell anyone. Damn, that is so wrong.

[Sanka]

I don't know if you guys have actually watched any Notre Dame games, but Charlie Weis sucks as a play caller. At time he even gets real predictable.

[chiefzilla1501]

I know some people might be on the fence about this. I think there's a lot of value to be added here. Surprised nobody has brought up that Weis is as good as it gets when it comes to grooming QBs. We will need a QBs coach, whether that young QB is Cassel or someone not on this roster. He's groomed Tom Brady, Brady Quinn, and Jimmy Clausen--not a bad list of QBs.

Also, Weis was a lousy coach but that was largely because he can't coach defense to save his life. The Notre Dame offense was nothing short of outstanding in 2009. If you tell him to coach offense and to never, ever touch the defense, that could be a very powerful thing. He just happens to make stupid decisions every once in a while. That's fine, given that Haley is there at HC to check him when he gets stupid.

I think there's a lot of upside to making this kind of a hire.

[Gary]

That he was Hoodie's ballwasher.

I just got a horrifying image...scrub scrub rinse...scrub scrub rinse.

[Ralphy Boy]

I won't pretend to be a big follower of Notre Dame, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I'll throw in my two cents. They debated Weis career at ND this weekend on ESPN and one of them talked at length about his offenses there always being good but his defense sucking and he should have made a change on the defensive coaching staff. Sounded like he had a case of the DV's and was too loyal to his DC.

Regarding his ability to be a good OC for us, I don't doubt it. I've gone on record saying I'd love to have him but don't see him wanting to come here when his spot at the Patriots table is open.

The laughable idea of adding him and Crennel leaves me think that every football fan outside of KC would dismissingly say "Whatever".

I can't see us changing our DC & OC in the same offseason.

[kstater]

Holtz says ND is top job in the country. He doesn't just mean out of what's open this year. He says it's the top job in CFB period.

[RedThat]

I won't pretend to be a big follower of Notre Dame, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I'll throw in my two cents. They debated Weis career at ND this weekend on ESPN and one of them talked at length about his offenses there always being good but his defense sucking and he should have made a change on the defensive coaching staff. Sounded like he had a case of the DV's and was too loyal to his DC.

Regarding his ability to be a good OC for us, I don't doubt it. I've gone on record saying I'd love to have him but don't see him wanting to come here when his spot at the Patriots table is open.

The laughable idea of adding him and Crennel leaves me think that every football fan outside of KC would dismissingly say "Whatever".

I can't see us changing our DC & OC in the same offseason.

It would be wise if they did.

Pendergast brings nothing as a defensive co-ordinator. And this team could use a defensive co-ordinator, offensive co-ordinator and quarterbacks coach. When you're ranked close to the bottom in both offense and defense, hiring new co-ordinators can't hurt.

I think Haley needs to step back a little bit, and hire some good veteran coaches in here and let them coach and do there job. He is putting to much on his shoulders by calling the plays, tutoring Cassel and being a head coach all at the same time. Thats a lot. Especially for a rookie head coach.

He needs to learn how to be a coach and not try to do too much in his first year. Thats his biggest mistake. Pioli should correct that problem and hire him some good coaches imo.

[The Franchise]

Holtz says ND is top job in the country. He doesn't just mean out of what's open this year. He says it's the top job in CFB period.

Holtz is like a nice Al Davis. Old, bat shit crazy....and will never die.

[ncCHIEFfan]

I think they mesh better than Gailey and Haley. Both Haley and Weis are aggressive play callers. If anything, they'll feed off each other's minds, IMO.

I can agree with this opinion

[LiL stumppy]

God I hope not.

LMAO, Okay then, enjoy another worthless coach, I will proudly keep stoops.

[The Franchise]

LMAO, Okay then, enjoy another worthless coach, I will proudly keep stoops.

Have fun choking in those big games.

[LiL stumppy]

Have fun choking in those big games.

Talk to me when you get to those big games pumpkin

[The Franchise]

Talk to me when you get to those big games pumpkin

Yeah....because making it to the NC game and losing HUGE is much better than not going at all. You guys LOVE getting embarrased in big games....don't you?

[LiL stumppy]

Yeah....because making it to the NC game and losing HUGE is much better than not going at all. You guys LOVE getting embarrased in big games....don't you?

your right, making it to the NC is nothing to be proud of :rolleyes: dumbass. How did you handle losing the last 4 games in a row? how bout Stanford, hear they're doing real well this year..

[The Franchise]

your right, making it to the NC is nothing to be proud of :rolleyes: dumbass. How did you handle losing the last 4 games in a row? how bout Stanford, hear they're doing real well this year..

Considering Stanford killed Oregon and USC.....I would say....they're pretty decent. 8-4....yeah....pretty decent.

Ask the Bills how awesome it is to make it to the Superbowl 4 times and lose all 4? Wins are the only thing that counts...

[LiL stumppy]

Considering Stanford killed Oregon and USC.....I would say....they're pretty decent. 8-4....yeah....pretty decent.

Ask the Bills how awesome it is to make it to the Superbowl 4 times and lose all 4? Wins are the only thing that counts...

I just think its funny you knock one of the best coaches in college football when your a Notre Dame fan.

[The Franchise]

I just think its funny you knock one of the best coaches in college football when your a Notre Dame fan.

Considering it's my opinion....I can knock whomever the fuck I want.

[ChiefsCountry]

Holtz says ND is top job in the country. He doesn't just mean out of what's open this year. He says it's the top job in CFB period.

Florida is the best job. Texas and USC would be next.
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[LiL stumppy]

Considering it's my opinion....I can knock whomever the fuck I want.

hardass

[DrRyan]

Holtz says ND is top job in the country. He doesn't just mean out of what's open this year. He says it's the top job in CFB period.

That is laughable. ND is not nearly what it was when he was there. IMO college football is much different now than it was then. 5 star recruits prefer playing at schools with better weather and coeds in addition to better football programs. Florida, USC and Texas trump ND in all three categories.

The only thing ND still has going for it these days is that ALL their games are nationally televised. 4 and 5 star recruits care more about being on TV, which will get them seen and in turn drafted higher if they are to play on Sundays.

One thing that Weis did show in his time there was that you can still get stud recruits to come to ND. Clausen, Tate and Floyd to name a few.

[The Franchise]

That is laughable. ND is not nearly what it was when he was there. IMO college football is much different now than it was then. 5 star recruits prefer playing at schools with better weather and coeds in addition to better football programs. Florida, USC and Texas trump ND in all three categories.

The only thing ND still has going for it these days is that ALL their games are nationally televised. 4 and 5 star recruits care more about being on TV, which will get them seen and in turn drafted higher if they are to play on Sundays.

One thing that Weis did show in his time there was that you can still get stud recruits to come to ND. Clausen, Tate and Floyd to name a few.

Yep and Clausen/Tate are going to be leaving now that Weis is out.

[booger]

Al Groh is another name to consider for the defensive staff. With both Haley and Pioli, Weis @ NY jets.

[RippedmyFlesh]

2000 Chiefs - Offense

QB Elvis Grbac

RB Kimble Anders
FB Tony Richardson
WR Derrick Alexander
WR Sylvester Morris
TE Tony Gonzalez*


LT John Tait
LG Jeff Blackshear
C Tim Grunhard
RG Will Shields*
RT Victor Riley

Shields.grunhard,tait at the time are prob better than anyone on today's line.

[Saul Good]

Yeah....because making it to the NC game and losing HUGE is much better than not going at all. You guys LOVE getting embarrased in big games....don't you?

Are you really trying to compare ND to Oklahoma? You are on drugs. ND is probably the biggest laughingstock in college football.