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CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:19 PM
Are they nuts?

Granted the guy runs for a ton of yards. And this is not a knock on the guy. However, the 1st 6 games of the season he was putting up probowl numbers and they were 0-6. VY comes in and they are 5-0 and the say its all about CJ.

I call BS. Am I missing something?


If you think he should be MVP, make your case here.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:20 PM
Because when you put up stats that haven't been witnessed since 1940 and could possibly run for over 2000 yards you get MVP talk.

The Franchise
12-03-2009, 01:20 PM
You think Vince Young would go 5-0 with Lendale White in the backfield?


And that's not me making a case for Chris Johnson to win MVP.

Brock
12-03-2009, 01:21 PM
It just gives them something to talk about other than BreFar.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:21 PM
You think Vince Young would go 5-0 with Lendale White in the backfield?


And that's not me making a case for Chris Johnson to win MVP.

I doubt it. But I know CJ wouldn't win a game w/o VY.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:22 PM
What if he breaks the rushing record?

BY1401
12-03-2009, 01:23 PM
I don't think he should get the MVP, but take a look at what he did for the Titans during those first 6 games.

There's no doubt in my mind that without him, Tennessee would have easily been -4 and 10 during that stretch.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:23 PM
he by far gets my MVP vote for my fantasy team, and they all thought i was dumb for taking him 2nd overall, how ya like me now

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:24 PM
Because when you put up stats that haven't been witnessed since 1940 and could possibly run for over 2000 yards you get MVP talk.

But MVP means value. You can run for 4000 yards. But if you dont win a game, how valuable are you to that team? He's putting on a show for sure. But there is no case for MVP unless the team is getting wins a direct result. That is not the case here.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:24 PM
he wont win, i think its d.brees year to win it.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:24 PM
Who else are you going to give it too?

Favre?

Demonpenz
12-03-2009, 01:24 PM
he is awesome to watch, looks really fast on tv, which is saying something.

Sure-Oz
12-03-2009, 01:24 PM
CJ is a beast and has carried that team

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:25 PM
What if he breaks the rushing record?

Then he should get player of the year.

The Franchise
12-03-2009, 01:25 PM
he wont win, i think its d.brees year to win it.

Peyton Manning is going to get it. The Colts are Manning. Manning is the Colts.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:26 PM
Peyton Manning is going to get it. The Colts are Manning. Manning is the Colts.

Personally I think Favre is having the best QB year.

Brock
12-03-2009, 01:26 PM
BreFar's 40. He gone get it.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:26 PM
Who else are you going to give it too?

Favre?

No. Brees deserves it over CJ.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:28 PM
No. Brees deserves it over CJ.

I like Favre's year better than Brees' to this point.

Chiefnj2
12-03-2009, 01:28 PM
MVP - Vince Young.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:29 PM
i heard a comparison of c.johnson to b.sanders numbers, and it was crazy how similar they were.

Buck
12-03-2009, 01:31 PM
If Manning or Brees don't win it I'd be very surprised.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:32 PM
MVP means most valuable to their team, more so than any other player is to their team. if you look at it like that it really comes down to two guys (manning and brees). considering manning will probably sit the last couple of games it should go to brees IMO

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:32 PM
If you don't think that Chris Johnson is a leading contender for MVP, I question whether or not you have really taken a deep dive into his numbers. Look at what happened with his carries and his role when VY entered the lineup.

I think I heard this right ... Chris Johnson has 3 TD runs over 80 yards this season. No other RB (past or present) has 3 over 80 in their career.

BY1401
12-03-2009, 01:32 PM
MVP - Vince Young.

ROFL

:spock:

:shake:

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:34 PM
Why do I think the Saints and Colts aren't built to win playoff games.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:34 PM
bret farve shouldnt even be part of the conversation. that team was just fine before he got there, making it to the playoffs and competing very well. he's just another of their hired guns

BY1401
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
Why do I think the Saints and Colts aren't built to win playoff games.

I don't know. Why?

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
MVP - Vince Young.

ROFL

Brock
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
So BreFar hasn't made the vikings better? ROFL Ooook.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
bret farve shouldnt even be part of the conversation. that team was just fine before he got there, making it to the playoffs and competing very well. he's just another of their hired guns

Yea I'm sure they'd be just the same with Tavaris Jackson.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
I like Favre's year better than Brees' to this point.

It's subjective. Honestly, the QB of most teams is the MVP. The position dictates that. Even if they aren't the best player on the team in most cases.

The Franchise
12-03-2009, 01:36 PM
bret farve shouldnt even be part of the conversation. that team was just fine before he got there, making it to the playoffs and competing very well. he's just another of their hired guns

This.

Brett Favre really has never been surrounded by this much talent before.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:36 PM
I don't know. Why?

Probably because with the Colts they suck complete nuts at defending the run and I think Minnesota is an awful matchup for New Orleans.

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:36 PM
MVP is typically a QB... Manning and Brees are the leading guys at this point.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:36 PM
This.

Brett Favre really has never been surrounded by this much talent before.

Lets be fair until Favre got there no one even thought Sidney Rice was good.

The Franchise
12-03-2009, 01:37 PM
Lets be fair until Favre got there no one even thought Sidney Rice was good.

Well...I did. But I know what you mean.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:38 PM
If you don't think that Chris Johnson is a leading contender for MVP, I question whether or not you have really taken a deep dive into his numbers. Look at what happened with his carries and his role when VY entered the lineup.

I think I heard this right ... Chris Johnson has 3 TD runs over 80 yards this season. No other RB (past or present) has 3 over 80 in their career.

Player of the year and MVP = 2 different things. When you go 0-6 there is no MVP. You still have 2 teams that havent lost a game this season.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 01:39 PM
If the Titans somehow sneak into the playoffs or even finish with a winning record his odds of getting it dramatically increase.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:40 PM
Top 6 MVP considerations :

1 Drew Brees
2 Peyton Manning
3 Chris Johnson
4 Phillip Rivers
5 Bret Favre
6 Tom Brady

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Player of the year and MVP = 2 different things. When you go 0-6 there is no MVP. You still have 2 teams that havent lost a game this season.

Enh, it's silly to not include Chris in the MVP discussion.

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Top 6 MVP considerations :

1 Drew Brees
2 Peyton Manning
3 Chris Johnson
4 Phillip Rivers
5 Bret Favre
6 Tom Brady

Brady?

kcxiv
12-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Who else are you going to give it too?

Favre?

I think there is only a few people that are even deserving. Johnson, Favre and Manning.

I would give it to Johnson if he breaks 2000 yards, kinda have to i think. If he breaks my Favorite RUnning back of All Time's record, then you just kinda have no choice but to give it to him. THat record has stood for what 25 years now?

kcxiv
12-03-2009, 01:42 PM
Brady?

No fucking way Brady or Rivers belongs in there. Good/great players, but not MVP for this year.

The Franchise
12-03-2009, 01:42 PM
Brett Favre

248 of 358 - 69.3% completion
2874 yards
24 TDs
3 INTs
22 Sacks

Peyton Manning

298 of 423 - 70.4% completion
3415 yards
24 TDs
11 INTs
10 Sacks

Drew Brees

236 of 343 - 68.8% completion
3117 yards
27 TDs
9 INTs
14 Sacks

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:44 PM
Lets be fair until Favre got there no one even thought Sidney Rice was good.

i still dont think he is a dominating WR, he seems much improved because favre does a really good job at distributing the ball, between harvin, shiancoe, rice, and berrian. he wouldnt do as well if they didnt have multiple options.

kcxiv
12-03-2009, 01:46 PM
Brett Favre

248 of 358 - 69.3% completion
2874 yards
24 TDs
3 INTs
22 Sacks

Peyton Manning

298 of 423 - 70.4% completion
3415 yards
24 TDs
11 INTs
10 Sacks

Drew Brees

236 of 343 - 68.8% completion
3117 yards
27 TDs
9 INTs
14 Sacks
Pick em. Favre has more sacks, but he's 40 years old for christ sake so thats understandable, but 3 interceptions? Thats fucking crazy. Even with Peterson in the backfield . ITs mind boggling.

kcxiv
12-03-2009, 01:47 PM
i still dont think he is a dominating WR, he seems much improved because favre does a really good job at distributing the ball, between harvin, shiancoe, rice, and berrian. he wouldnt do as well if they didnt have multiple options.

He had really really really crappy quarterbacks before Favre. WE all know Tavaris was not the one. No one ever had a chance to shine in that offense outside of Peterson.

BY1401
12-03-2009, 01:47 PM
Probably because with the Colts they suck complete nuts at defending the run

Not like they used to. Their run defense is ranked #15. They held CJ to 34 yards in their first meeting this season. This isn't the 2006 regular season run-D.

and I think Minnesota is an awful matchup for New Orleans.

This is a game I'd like to see, and wouldn't be surprised to see the Vikings take it.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:47 PM
amazing to say about a rookie, but p.harvin has added more to the vikings than anyone else has this season, he is a legitimate playmaker

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:47 PM
Top 6 MVP considerations :

1 Drew Brees
2 Peyton Manning
3 Chris Johnson
4 Phillip Rivers
5 Bret Favre
6 Tom Brady

IMO Rivers doesn't belong ahead of Favre or Brady. He does less with more talent than the other teams.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:48 PM
amazing to say about a rookie, but p.harvin has added more to the vikings than anyone else has this season, he is a legitimate playmaker

Jared Allen and B.Favre are the offensive and defensive MVPs of that team.

Brock
12-03-2009, 01:49 PM
i still dont think he is a dominating WR, he seems much improved because favre does a really good job at distributing the ball, between harvin, shiancoe, rice, and berrian. he wouldnt do as well if they didnt have multiple options.

Yeah, because Brees doesn't have anybody to throw the ball to.

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Until last week, TN had zero threat of a passing game... yet teams cannot stop Chris Johnson. They're back in the wildcard discussion and on a 5 game winning streak. The man deserves attention.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:51 PM
Brett Favre

248 of 358 - 69.3% completion
2874 yards
24 TDs
3 INTs
22 Sacks

Peyton Manning

298 of 423 - 70.4% completion
3415 yards
24 TDs
11 INTs
10 Sacks

Drew Brees

236 of 343 - 68.8% completion
3117 yards
27 TDs
9 INTs
14 Sacks

Matt Cassel

178 320 55.6% completion
1,898 yards
13 TDs
7 INTs
35 Sacks

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Enh, it's silly to not include Chris in the MVP discussion.


Not in a serious discussion. It's like Rivers. If you're serious you dont consider him. If you are putting a top 10 candidate list together then you might. But if you ask the question who is the MVP, that is a 1 person list.

CJs not on that list IMO.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Brett Favre

248 of 358 - 69.3% completion
2874 yards
24 TDs
3 INTs
22 Sacks

Peyton Manning

298 of 423 - 70.4% completion
3415 yards
24 TDs
11 INTs
10 Sacks

Drew Brees

236 of 343 - 68.8% completion
3117 yards
27 TDs
9 INTs
14 Sacks

Matt Cassel

178 320 55.6% completion
1,898 yards
13 TDs
7 INTs
35 Sacks

anybody notice a stat that might make the QB's job a little bit more difficult?

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:54 PM
Until last week, TN had zero threat of a passing game... yet teams cannot stop Chris Johnson. They're back in the wildcard discussion and on a 5 game winning streak. The man deserves attention.

Player of the year, perhaps.

Miles
12-03-2009, 01:56 PM
Until last week, TN had zero threat of a passing game... yet teams cannot stop Chris Johnson. They're back in the wildcard discussion and on a 5 game winning streak. The man deserves attention.

It's also easy to underestimate just how terrible Collins was during those first 6 games as well.

HotRoute
12-03-2009, 01:57 PM
Not in a serious discussion. It's like Rivers. If you're serious you dont consider him. If you are putting a top 10 candidate list together then you might. But if you ask the question who is the MVP, that is a 1 person list.

CJs not on that list IMO.

too true . . . nobody ever remembers the runner up to the MVP, unless of course its a tie like the year manning and mcnair won. maybe if the colts and the saints both go undefeated there will be a tie between brees and manning, probably be the first time someone was a co-MVP twice

Buck
12-03-2009, 01:57 PM
Brett Favre

248 of 358 - 69.3% completion
2874 yards
24 TDs
3 INTs
22 Sacks

Peyton Manning

298 of 423 - 70.4% completion
3415 yards
24 TDs
11 INTs
10 Sacks

Drew Brees

236 of 343 - 68.8% completion
3117 yards
27 TDs
9 INTs
14 Sacks

Philip Rivers

224 of 339 - 64.2% completion
2938 yards
19 TDs
6 INTs
20 Sacks

Aaron Rodgers

249 of 380 - 65.5% completion
3136 yards
22 TDs
5 INTs
44 Sacks

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 01:58 PM
It's also easy to underestimate just how terrible Collins was during those first 6 games as well.

Well, VY hasn't been as bad, but CJ is the reason that team is at 5-6... not VY.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:58 PM
too true . . . nobody ever remembers the runner up to the MVP, unless of course its a tie like the year manning and mcnair won. maybe if the colts and the saints both go undefeated there will be a tie between brees and manning, probably be the first time someone was a co-MVP twice

Didn't Favre and B.Sanders split the MVP one year too?

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 01:59 PM
Well, VY hasn't been as bad, but CJ is the reason that team is at 5-6... not VY.

Can you say without a doubt that they would have gone 0-6 with VY at QB and someone else at RB? I cant.

Brock
12-03-2009, 02:04 PM
Well, VY hasn't been as bad, but CJ is the reason that team is at 5-6... not VY.

Not so much, no.

Miles
12-03-2009, 02:06 PM
Well, VY hasn't been as bad, but CJ is the reason that team is at 5-6... not VY.

Definitely. I was meaning it in the sense that they were 0-6 with CJ being more limited because of Collins' terrible play. With VY looking at least competent, CJ is now able to dominate.

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 02:07 PM
Can you say without a doubt that they would have gone 0-6 with VY at QB and someone else at RB? I cant.

I can say this... there is a reason VY lost his gig in the first place. Last year with consistency at QB, Johnson was a beast. CJ was a bit better than average through 6 games, but Collins was finally showing his age.

VY comes in and the offense switches full gear into CJ mode. Look at the pass attempts for Collins through 6 and VY through 5, and then the upswing in rushing attempts for CJ in the last 5 games.

Fisher finally figured out "Hey, we're a rushing team and I have a beast that I'm ignoring... our WRs are young and not mature in this offense".

Wyndex
12-03-2009, 02:17 PM
vince will get comeback player of the year

peyton manning will get mvp

chris johnson will get offensive player

and the vikings are going to win the superbowl

RippedmyFlesh
12-03-2009, 02:44 PM
I like Favre's year better than Brees' to this point.
Favre td/int 24/3....8 to 1? That's unbelievable.

CrazyHorse
12-03-2009, 02:46 PM
I can say this... there is a reason VY lost his gig in the first place. Last year with consistency at QB, Johnson was a beast. CJ was a bit better than average through 6 games, but Collins was finally showing his age.

VY comes in and the offense switches full gear into CJ mode. Look at the pass attempts for Collins through 6 and VY through 5, and then the upswing in rushing attempts for CJ in the last 5 games.

Fisher finally figured out "Hey, we're a rushing team and I have a beast that I'm ignoring... our WRs are young and not mature in this offense".

Adrian Peterson did fine with a lousy QB.

baitism
12-03-2009, 02:50 PM
anybody notice a stat that might make the QB's job a little bit more difficult?

Aaron Rodgers still puts up good numbers while taking more sacks than Cassel.

The_Doctor10
12-03-2009, 02:51 PM
Peyton Manning is going to get it. The Colts are Manning. Manning is the Colts.

Brees is the Saints. Same argument. Neither team is going anywhere with Sorgi/Brunell at the controls. Manning's won it three times, give it to Brees.

The_Doctor10
12-03-2009, 02:54 PM
Aaron Rodgers still puts up good numbers while taking more sacks than Cassel.

Aaron Rodgers puts up better numbers than most QBs while taking more sacks than ALL of them. Not just Cassel.

There is the other thing where Aaron Rodgers has several excellent deep ball receivers, and is a superior QB to Cassel in every measurable way...

baitism
12-03-2009, 03:17 PM
Aaron Rodgers puts up better numbers than most QBs while taking more sacks than ALL of them. Not just Cassel.

There is the other thing where Aaron Rodgers has several excellent deep ball receivers, and is a superior QB to Cassel in every measurable way...

I agree. I was just disputing the statement that taking sacks means you can't have good stats.

Hootie
12-03-2009, 03:29 PM
Hate to say it...but you have to go Favre right now.

1. Favre
2. P. Manning
3. Brees
4. Johnson

The Vince Young thing DOES play a factor IMO...

Vince Young is the ONLY reason why Chris Johnson might break the single season rushing record. Look, CJ is great...I compared him to Marshall Faulk last year and got chastised for it...saying he was the best RB in the league (to which Hamas mocked me and laughed in my face)...

THAT BEING SAID...

Do we remember Mike Vick in Atlanta? Defenses had to prepare for him running...just like defenses have to do with Vince Young...so the ends have to keep containment and can't crash the line so Johnson literally has running room like CRAZY...because of the VY factor.

Warrick Dunn and T.J. Duckett used to average over 5 YPC every year in Atlanta with Vick...

With Kerry Collins...Johnson was big play or bust...now with VY, Johnson can run between the tackles because the ends are so worried about VY bootlegging and gaining huge yardage if they don't keep containment.

The second VY was named starter I tried my hardest to get CJ is all of my fantasy leagues...he instantly became the most valuable fantasy player in the NFL.

BigMeatballDave
12-03-2009, 03:59 PM
Who else are you going to give it too?

Favre?Brees.

Mecca
12-03-2009, 04:04 PM
Johnson is a gamebreaker, but he's not Faulk, he's not that versatile in the receiving game.

Mile High Mania
12-03-2009, 04:35 PM
Johnson is a gamebreaker, but he's not Faulk, he's not that versatile in the receiving game.

Well, I don't think anyone is going to confuse Collins or Young for Warner any time soon either... you can't compare those 2 RBs like that with the offenses they were/are in either.

Micjones
12-03-2009, 04:42 PM
This is one of the best MVP races I've ever witnessed.

6.4 yards per carry with over 200 carries?
Seven games with 125 or more rushing yards?

I'd say he's pretty damn valuable.

It's Favre though for my money...

BigMeatballDave
12-03-2009, 04:53 PM
It's Favre though for my money...I say Brees deserves it more, but Favre will get it because he's Brett Favre...

KCChiefsMan
12-03-2009, 04:56 PM
I don't even think CJ should even be mentioned over Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Brett Favre. It's going to come down to 1 of those 3, just depends on who goes the farthest in the playoffs or wins the Superbowl.

KCChiefsMan
12-03-2009, 04:57 PM
I say Brees deserves it more, but Favre will get it because he's Brett Favre...

and because he is having the best season of his stellar career at 40 something.

TEX
12-03-2009, 05:53 PM
IMO the MVP order is:

1. Favre

2. P. Manning

3. Brees

4. Johnson

CoMoChief
12-03-2009, 06:31 PM
NFL Offensive Player of the year - Yes
NFL MVP - no, it's Peyton Manning or Drew Brees

OnTheWarpath15
12-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Who else in the league has "Getting away from the Cops speed?"

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ROFL @ dumbass YouTube clip title.

Psyko Tek
12-03-2009, 10:49 PM
there are 2 amazing stats for farve
3 int
he used to get that inna half
and 22 sacks
he's holding balls he used to wing out there in gunslinger mode and pick up the ints

Marcellus
12-03-2009, 11:18 PM
He deserves to be in the discussion even though he won't win it unless he sets the all time season rushing record. Then he might.

Chances are Favre will because of the season and his media love.

BY1401
12-04-2009, 07:36 AM
I don't even think CJ should even be mentioned over Peyton Manning, Drew Brees or Brett Favre. It's going to come down to 1 of those 3, just depends on who goes the farthest in the playoffs or wins the Superbowl.

Don't they award the MVP before the postseason?

Buehler445
12-04-2009, 07:50 AM
I like Favre's year better than Brees' to this point.

I disagree. You take Favre off that team and you get what they were last year, Peterson and the D will give you 8-10 wins.

Take Brees off the team and you have...shit on a shingle. Their Oline isn't that good, but it doesn't matter because Brees can get rid of it so quickly. He's so damn accurate that if he's out, their WRs I'd venture a guess would look like a bunch of late rounders and never were's, they don't have a run game to speak of, and their defense isn't that far removed from the bottom of the league. Not to mention Brees is a hell of a leader and Favre is just there doing his thing.

Consistent1
12-04-2009, 08:17 AM
Farve was the missing link to what has become a killer team. I don't even like him,but he is the biggest difference maker for his team compared 2 last year.If he keeps up close to that production and they finish with just 1 or 2 losses,like him or not he is the guy 2 me.Hard 2 discount if some team does go undefeated butFarve has made that team click on a different level.
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Buehler445
12-04-2009, 08:20 AM
Farve was the missing link to what has become a killer team. I don't even like him,but he is the biggest difference maker for his team compared 2 last year.If he keeps up close to that production and they finish with just 1 or 2 losses,like him or not he is the guy 2 me.Hard 2 discount if some team does go undefeated butFarve has made that team click on a different level.
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Take Brees or Manning off their team and a Favreless Vikings would whop the shit out of them.

Consistent1
12-04-2009, 08:33 AM
Well bro, at least most of us agree it should be a QB. We will see what happens the rest of the way. I just think Johnson would have to go insane and that team needs to go undefeated the rest of the way to get any serious consideration this year against the other three.
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