18 year old living off the land evading police

[tooge]

This Kid is amazing really. Probably catch some flack from folks here, but aside from being afraid for his life, if this were my kid, I'd sort of go "he kicks ass". Wish he had "colton cam " http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6946030.ece" for the next survivalist reality show. Hope he never gets caught

[tooge]

how do you link the story?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I hope this turns into First Blood.

[Scorp]

how do you link the story?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6946030.ece

first day on the intranet huh? :clap:

[tooge]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6946030.ece

first day on the intranet huh? :clap:

thanks, no, I'm just a serious computard.

[Easy 6]

Chris McCandless Lives!1!

[KCChiefsMan]

heh, that is kinda cool

[teedubya]

Colton Harris-Moore, the barefoot boy bandit, outfoxes sheriffs

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00655/News_655978a.jpg
Colton Harris-Moore has pizzas delivered to the forest

In the forests and remote islands around Seattle, police are setting traps for a barefoot teenage outlaw who has eluded them for nearly two years.

Police say 18-year-old Colton Harris-Moore, whose escapades are turning him into a folk legend, is a one-man crime wave, responsible for 50 burglaries as well as stealing light aircraft, which he taught himself to fly from video games, and several speedboats.

He lives in the woods, shuns shoes and catches his own food. His only technological aid is a pair of thermal-imaging goggles to hunt at night and his weakness is pizzas, which he asks to be delivered at the edge of the woods.

For some Harris-Moore is a modern Butch Cassidy: a surprisingly agile 6ft 5in cat burglar who thanks his victims by leaving them notes and cheeky photographs of himself, which have sold for £300 on eBay.

Thousands subscribe to his Facebook page and his image appears on T-shirts with the logo “Fly, Colton, Fly!”. Local rock groups have penned songs about him.

Hollywood producers have lodged lucrative film deals with his family and offered to pay for lawyers if he gives himself up.

Raised in a caravan on Camano Island, an isolated community in the Puget Sound, Harris-Moore started living wild at the age of seven. He would break into holiday homes, steal blankets and food and vanish into the woods for days.

In April 2008, after being sent to a juvenile detention centre, he complained that the beds were too short for his lanky frame and went on the run.

Police believe he fled to Canada and then, a few weeks ago, came back across the border to Idaho where he stole a Cessna 182 and flew to Seattle. He crash-landed in a forest clearing and walked away with cuts and bruises.

Since then he has been accused of stealing other planes for hops around the islands in the Puget Sound, including another Cessna belonging to a disc jockey who vented his frustration on radio, saying: “He still doesn’t know how to land a plane in one piece.”

He evaded a police pursuit by crashing a Mercedes-Benz into a roadside gas storage tank, using the explosion as a diversion to escape back into the woods where, he says, he feels like a Native American.

This was followed by the largest manhunt in recent memory. Three dozen sheriffs, aided by specialist armed units and an FBI helicopter, fanned out across Camano Island but failed to capture him. “We saw him, we think, but it’s like he disappeared in front of our eyes,” said one sheriff.

His luck may be about to run out. During a recent sweep a rifle shot was fired at police, raising his status to “armed and dangerous”. His mother, Pamela Kohler, now fears that even if he did not fire the shot he will be held responsible.

Kohler said she was proud her son had stolen the aircraft because he had never had a flying lesson in his life. “I was going to send him to flight school, but I guess I don’t have to,” she said. “I’d tell him the next time he took a plane: wear a parachute and practise your landing.

“If he shot that gun, it was really stupid. I don’t expect him to come out of the woods alive.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

6'5" with that kind of escapability?

Bring him in for a look.

[KCChiefsMan]

I'd watch the movie

[Otter]

His only technological aid is a pair of thermal-imaging goggles

Judging by what looks like a multi-light over his left shoulder, the fact that he leaves pictures of himself and the headphones sticking out of his ears I'm going to have to go ahead and differ with this statement.

Cool story though.

[HemiEd]

The shot fired is not a good thing. He has some things going for him, but respect for other people's property isn't one of them.

[Bunit]

I hope this turns into First Blood.

Sounds like it might. Dude sounds bad ass.

[Donger]

I hope they catch the little prick and prosecute him.

[Scorp]

I hope they catch the little prick and prosecute him.

I hope they anal rape him and make him die in a fire!:cuss:

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Holy shit. The kid has gone viral. I had no clue. I worked with a guy who showed me a picture left for him by this kid not more than 3 months ago.

[jiveturkey]

I hope that he gets laid off from Sprint and then gets lung cancer.

[Param]

Judging by what looks like a multi-light over his left shoulder, the fact that he leaves pictures of himself and the headphones sticking out of his ears I'm going to have to go ahead and differ with this statement.

Cool story though.

Yeah, I saw that as well. It's probably hooked to an ipod. Plus he has a digital camera as well to take the photo. And it looks like he's wearing a Mercedes polo that he grabbed from the car before he wrecked it.

Definitely interesting story. I would be super pissed if this kid stole my sh1t though.

[Frazod]

He must be camping with Big Foot and D.B. Cooper.

[Garcia Bronco]

Come to Colorado and break in my house....(click-cock)

[Dark Horse]

Sounds like a young Dark Horse, well except for the burglary, grand theft and assault with a deadly weapon part.

[notorious]

I hope they anal rape him and make him die in a fire!:cuss:

This.

Thieves are the second lowest forms of life on this planet.


If there was a way to combine an AIDs Tree, Antifreeze, and Anal Prison gang Rape into a nice little package then he should get it.

[Param]

Come to Colorado and break in my house....(click-cock)

Hollywood would love this ending.

[tooge]

Damn, you guys are harsh. Sounds like he mainly steals a little food, some blankets, clothes, etc. "never take me alive copper"

[Fish]

Damn, you guys are harsh. Sounds like he mainly steals a little food, some blankets, clothes, etc. "never take me alive copper"

LOL.... not really. Did you read the article?

Police believe he fled to Canada and then, a few weeks ago, came back across the border to Idaho where he stole a Cessna 182 and flew to Seattle. He crash-landed in a forest clearing and walked away with cuts and bruises.

Since then he has been accused of stealing other planes for hops around the islands in the Puget Sound, including another Cessna belonging to a disc jockey who vented his frustration on radio, saying: “He still doesn’t know how to land a plane in one piece.”

He evaded a police pursuit by crashing a Mercedes-Benz into a roadside gas storage tank, using the explosion as a diversion to escape back into the woods where, he says, he feels like a Native American.

This was followed by the largest manhunt in recent memory. Three dozen sheriffs, aided by specialist armed units and an FBI helicopter, fanned out across Camano Island but failed to capture him.

[tooge]

Ok, so food, blankets, and a few planes and benzes. Who really needs a plane anyway?

[Fish]

Ok, so food, blankets, and a few planes and benzes. Who really needs a plane anyway?

Well.... I say that if you can afford an airplane, you can afford 2 of them... but hey that's just me.

I like Robin Hood... even the Costner one....

[Phobia]

Come to Colorado and break in my house....(click-cock)
When did you move to freaking colorado?

[Garcia Bronco]

When did you move to freaking colorado?


12/1/06

[Garcia Bronco]

Hollywood would love this ending.

In Colorado...if someone breaks into you house you have the right to use deadly force and I would...not because I have a need to shoot someone. I just don't know the intruders intention. He could be there to setup shop and kill me or my dog. Either way...he's got to go.

[Frazod]

12/1/06

This is a good thing. You Donx fans should be contained in one location. :D

[bowener]

The shot fired is not a good thing. He has some things going for him, but respect for other people's property isn't one of them.

I am curious if anyone other than the police actually heard this shot fired... if not, it seems the cops are tired of looking like stupid asses who cant catch an 18 year old who has apparently never really been to school.

Who gives a shit if he respects people's property, its insured, and if it isn't, then they must not really like it enough to bother insuring it. We have too much 'property' any how. Do you need all the 'property' you own? I have a closet full of shit that is my property, but I don't need any of it. Hell, my apartment is full of shit that is legally my property that I definitely don't need to survive; hell, I own most of it because of impulse buying.... stupid.

He must be camping with Big Foot and D.B. Cooper.

Bigfoot, maybe. Cooper is dead, Zed.

This (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/cooper.htm) is probably one of the most interesting Dan Cooper claimee's I ever came across.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

6'5" with that kind of escapability?

Bring him in for a look.

LMAO No shit. The funniest thing is, if LJ were still here, that kid could walk in to the locker room any day of the week and call "punk ass" on LJ's wannabe bad guy antics.

"Hey Johnson; until you crash a Cessna, explode a car, and hunt for your dinner while being chased by the Sheriff's Office, SHUT THE FUCK UP, BITCH"!LMAO

This is a good thing. You Donx fans should be contained in one location. :D

Mmm...less bombs to drop.

[ChiefaRoo]

So after sky net takes over and nukes the world it'll be that little girl who doesn't speak and this kid left to rescue humanity from the terminators?

[Garcia Bronco]

Who gives a shit if he respects people's property, its insured, and if it isn't, then they must not really like it enough to bother insuring it. We have too much 'property' any how. Do you need all the 'property' you own? I have a closet full of shit that is my property, but I don't need any of it. Hell, my apartment is full of shit that is legally my property that I definitely don't need to survive; hell, I own most of it because of impulse buying.... stupid.



Spoken like a 20 something...except the last part.

[damaticous]

Pretty cool! in a twisted way. My girlfriend's family has a cabin on Camino island. Right on the sound. Very nice place. Expensive (housing, food, etc) but nice place. Looks like it's mostly summer or vacation homes for most. I could be wrong though.

Lots of woods.

the only reason it's called an island is because there is a small gap between the "Island" and the mainland. The gap is about 6" wide. lol.

[Simply Red]

I hope they catch the little prick and prosecute him.

ROFL AWESOME!

[DaFace]

Living off the land? That's a bit of a stretch given that he keeps stealing.

[bowener]

Spoken like a 20 something...except the last part.

Yep, 25.

But be honest with yourself, do you really need half the shit you own?

If the need of something is based upon your survival, I doubt 99% of what you own is needed. A Home, some food, clothes, and a gun... that is about it?

Would I be mad if this bastard stole my car? Yeah. At the same time I would realize that it really doesn't hurt me in any way, except that it inconveniences me for a few days, maybe.

I'm pretty sure the planes he has stolen are in no way necessary for any persons survival, especially the people who owned and insured them.

That is all I was trying to say.

[bowener]

Living off the land? That's a bit of a stretch given that he keeps stealing.

You have to admit it is pretty cool he uses thermal goggles for hunting, or anything at all really. I want some.

Hmm, where could I steal some of these from....

[kstater]

Yep, 25.

But be honest with yourself, do you really need half the shit you own?

.

Does it matter? I've worked my ass off for the things I own. If some punk bitch wants to try stealing it, guess what, he's not going to like the results.

[Phobia]

12/1/06

Hahahaha - I'm paying attention. I figured you were still in VA working for a bank. Lots of people to keep track of around here.

[Donger]

Yep, 25.

But be honest with yourself, do you really need half the shit you own?

If the need of something is based upon your survival, I doubt 99% of what you own is needed. A Home, some food, clothes, and a gun... that is about it?

Would I be mad if this bastard stole my car? Yeah. At the same time I would realize that it really doesn't hurt me in any way, except that it inconveniences me for a few days, maybe.

I'm pretty sure the planes he has stolen are in no way necessary for any persons survival, especially the people who owned and insured them.

That is all I was trying to say.

May I have your address, please?

[Simply Red]

Come to Colorado and break in my house....(click-cock)

he prolly DOES have the keys to your crib.

[MahiMike]

Run (thru the) forest, RUN!

[bowener]

Does it matter? I've worked my ass off for the things I own. If some punk bitch wants to try stealing it, guess what, he's not going to like the results.

This goes in a whole new direction, though. Do you really need the things you work so hard for? If you honestly believe you need all the things you have, then fine, you can feel the need to harm/kill an 18 year old kid for them. If you realize that most of the stuff you own is not necessary for your survival or happiness (a far 2nd place from survival), then why do you work so hard to acquire it and later replace it with something else?

I get why you are annoyed with my questions. I don't want you to change anything you do, and I don't really care what your spending habits are. I just hope most Americans realize how lucky they are to be able to spend a majority or their money and time on shit that ultimately does not matter, and will later end up in a box in the garage, a dump, or forgotten about and lost.

I realize that I require 1/10 of the shit that I own. Do I enjoy the stuff I have? Some of it, such as my computer and internet (though I have a growing porn addiction apparently rivaling that of Tiger Woods'), my car, my TV, and my books, and other shit. I do not need one of those things and would never bother even thinking about killing another human being over them. They are just things that I will grow tired of and replace anyway, so why should I kill or even harm a person over them. They apparently need or want them far more than I do. Everything I have is insured, so other than the frustration of filling out forms, there really isn't any harm done to me or any one else.

May I have your address, please?

Sure. PM me. I know you don't have the balls to rob me, and yes, I would call the cops on a person stealing from me if I caught them in the act, but I would never want to harm or kill them. I guess that is good for you to know. Is there something you believe you need badly enough that you would travel from Denver to Columbia for? I might just mail it to you.

[Donger]

Sure. PM me. I know you don't have the balls to rob me, and yes, I would call the cops on a person stealing from me if I caught them in the act, but I would never want to harm or kill them. I guess that is good for you to know. Is there something you believe you need badly enough that you would travel from Denver to Columbia for? I might just mail it to you.

Don't you have insurance?

[kcchiefsus]

The shot fired is not a good thing. He has some things going for him, but respect for other people's property isn't one of them.

Yep. I could care less if the little fucker turns up dead.

[bowener]

Run (thru the) forest, RUN!

Funny. rep.

[bowener]

Don't you have insurance?

Yeah, insured. That would be one of the primary reason for calling the cops, to avoid looking like I was committing fraud.

I have some broken Xbox 360's that I like to tinker around with. Would you like them? I got one of them working again for a short bit, then it died again.

[Bearcat]

Yep, 25.

But be honest with yourself, do you really need half the shit you own?

If the need of something is based upon your survival, I doubt 99% of what you own is needed. A Home, some food, clothes, and a gun... that is about it?

Would I be mad if this bastard stole my car? Yeah. At the same time I would realize that it really doesn't hurt me in any way, except that it inconveniences me for a few days, maybe.

I'm pretty sure the planes he has stolen are in no way necessary for any persons survival, especially the people who owned and insured them.

That is all I was trying to say.

I kinda need my laptop so I can work... without work there's no paycheck, no money, no food, no rent money. I don't need my car, but what should I do if it's stolen, shrug it off and take someone else's until I can get another one? And I'm sure the insurance company will shrug it off, too, and not raise rates or anything.... which you know, is tied to money, which buys things we need to live. I'm sure they'll shrug off the planes, too... I'm sure they aren't tied to money, either.

[Bearcat]

Yeah, insured. That would be one of the primary reason for calling the cops, to avoid looking like I was committing fraud.

I have some broken Xbox 360's that I like to tinker around with. Would you like them? I got one of them working again for a short bit, then it died again.

That would be nice, actually... we could have people go around neighborhoods and pick up our unwanted things. They wouldn't take the things we really wanted/needed. Perhaps they could come on a schedule, so everyone in the neighborhood would be aware... and to make it super convenient, since they're doing us a favor and all, we could put this stuff in bins of some sort so they could just drive by and pick it up.

[kstater]

Yeah, insured. That would be one of the primary reason for calling the cops, to avoid looking like I was committing fraud.

I have some broken Xbox 360's that I like to tinker around with. Would you like them? I got one of them working again for a short bit, then it died again.

So you pay for the insurance?

[notorious]

Yeah, insured. That would be one of the primary reason for calling the cops, to avoid looking like I was committing fraud.

I have some broken Xbox 360's that I like to tinker around with. Would you like them? I got one of them working again for a short bit, then it died again.

Leave it to the person that doesn't have anything to say that it doesn't matter if it is stolen. ROFL


Did you ever think that it is the principle behind stealing instead of the stuff being stolen that people get upset?

I have had stuff stolen from me many times in my life. If I would have caught whoever did the stealing they probably would have learned their lesson before, during, and after the trip to the hospital.

Get a little life experience before you spray bullshit everywhere.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

In Colorado...if someone breaks into you house you have the right to use deadly force and I would...not because I have a need to shoot someone. I just don't know the intruders intention. He could be a bronco fan . Either way...he's got to go.

Fixed it!

[bowener]

So you pay for the insurance?

I'm cakn patna, money is nothing.

Sadly, yes, I pay for it knowing that it covers things I do not really need, but own.

I kinda need my laptop so I can work... without work there's no paycheck, no money, no food, no rent money. I don't need my car, but what should I do if it's stolen, shrug it off and take someone else's until I can get another one? And I'm sure the insurance company will shrug it off, too, and not raise rates or anything.... which you know, is tied to money, which buys things we need to live. I'm sure they'll shrug off the planes, too... I'm sure they aren't tied to money, either.

What is the total percentage of your pay spent on food per week?

I guess you could shrug off your stolen car and not report it to the cops, whatever you want to do. That doesn't seem too bright, and really proves nothing. I suppose you could take another person's car, I don't care. They very well may raise your rates, but that is why you took that job you really wanted, to pay for your car and insurance. You can just spend more of your daily time at work, making more money for your car, insurance, bills, food, etc. That's what you are supposed to do, why not.

That would be nice, actually... we could have people go around neighborhoods and pick up our unwanted things. They wouldn't take the things we really wanted/needed. Perhaps they could come on a schedule, so everyone in the neighborhood would be aware... and to make it super convenient, since they're doing us a favor and all, we could put this stuff in bins of some sort so they could just drive by and pick it up.

Haha, cute, like the garbage man! Awesome, yeah!

I think what you just wrote kind of gets to the point I was making. We throw away so much shit that we need or needed at some time in our lives, that we have people come around and collect it in large quantity weekly, sometimes more often, to take it off to a location where it will then be dumped into a gigantic pile, harmoniously mixing with all the other things that were needed by other people... until they didn't really need them anymore. I mean, how else could we make room for all this shit we need in our houses with all that old shit we needed taking up so much space? I know, we can rent storage space, filling it with the older shit we needed so badly.

I guess we don't see it the same.

I do not need my LCD TV, but I wanted it to play my xbox 360 on, which I also wanted, not needed.

However, I do need food, and water, and shelter, those are things I need. Those are things I want rationally.

So, I guess if ever there comes a day when the US is thrown back into the stone age and somebody comes along to steal my food, water, or shelter, then I may be willing to kill them for it, seeing as those are things that are necessary for my life.

[kstater]

I'm cakn patna, money is nothing.

Sadly, yes, I pay for it knowing that it covers things I do not really need, but own.




So by paying for insurance, you realize these items you own have value?

[RNR]

I find nothing romantic about a shitbag thief. I hope he gets caught and grows old in jail~

[bowener]

Leave it to the person that doesn't have anything to say that it doesn't matter if it is stolen. ROFL


Did you ever think that it is the principle behind stealing instead of the stuff being stolen that people get upset?

I have had stuff stolen from me many times in my life. If I would have caught whoever did the stealing they probably would have learned their lesson before, during, and after the trip to the hospital.

Get a little life experience before you spray bullshit everywhere.

Let me try and understand this from your perspective... because I have broken xbox 360's, or better put, because I said I have broken xbox 360's you feel that is enough to assume that I have nothing?

Wait, now I am curious to see what you believe constitutes something.

I suppose it doesn't matter that I received those busted consoles from my friend who was going to throw them in the garbage, and that I took them so that I could dismantle them, play around with them, and see what I could learn about them through the fascinating process of tinkering. I guess it also doesn't matter that the xbox, which I play on daily over the last 4 months, is another "broken" console that was going to be thrown away, only, it turns out, I fixed it for free rather than let it go to waste in the dump.

My car is almost brand new, only owner of it, still wouldn't think about killing somebody over it. Now, granted, you didn't say you would kill a thief, I am ok with beating the piss out of them.

[rockymtnchief]

If you need food or blankets, KNOCK on the door. Don't break it down. I'll gladly share.

But, if I wake up to find a 6'5" man in my house who's alleged to be armed, I'm grabbing the .45 and putting holes in someone.

[bowener]

So by paying for insurance, you realize these items you own have value?

They sure do have value, by god! Just like my shoe does, and that stick of chewing gum on my desk right there, everything has value in the right system.

Now, let me ask you this, if you were stranded on an island, alone, starving, hoping for death, and I were to come along and offer you a brand new red Ferrari, I even show you the car, let you smell it, rub your balls across the leather if you so choose, or 25 pounds of delicious foods, which one has more value? Keep in mind the Ferrari is insured as well... the food is not, sorry.

Now, I suppose you could remember the life you had before, in America, and accept the Ferrari, I mean after all that leather does feel nice on the man-purse, or you could recognize that the value in that car is relative, and at this time is absolutely meaningless to you, and absolutely in no way is what you need or want.

[RNR]

If you need food or blankets, KNOCK on the door. Don't break it down. I'll gladly share.

But, if I wake up to find a 6'5" man in my house who's alleged to be armed, I'm grabbing the .45 and putting holes in someone.

That goes for 5'5" also :)

[Frazod]

If somebody's stealing my shit, I don't really care if I need it or not. It's my shit, and you can't have it. I will fucking shoot you.

I'd have no trouble with this prick twitching at the end of a rope, either. The farther this country has gotten away from frontier justice the worse it's gotten.

[notorious]

Let me try and understand this from your perspective... because I have broken xbox 360's, or better put, because I said I have broken xbox 360's you feel that is enough to assume that I have nothing?

Wait, now I am curious to see what you believe constitutes something.

I suppose it doesn't matter that I received those busted consoles from my friend who was going to throw them in the garbage, and that I took them so that I could dismantle them, play around with them, and see what I could learn about them through the fascinating process of tinkering. I guess it also doesn't matter that the xbox, which I play on daily over the last 4 months, is another "broken" console that was going to be thrown away, only, it turns out, I fixed it for free rather than let it go to waste in the dump.

My car is almost brand new, only owner of it, still wouldn't think about killing somebody over it. Now, granted, you didn't say you would kill a thief, I am ok with beating the piss out of them.


Sorry I read your post incorrectly.

I have been stolen from so many times that my emotion takes over which never leads to a level-headed post.

The fact that when I was robbed was when I was a poor student who worked my ass off to have what I had (which was very little). Deductables take a lot of the claims, and some irreplacables (such as time, which is more valuable then anything) were taken from me.

It sucks to wake in the morning ready to go to class to see a broken window where your car used to be.

This kid that is stealing stuff doesn't need any of it either, that is what really pisses me off. Some thieves do not NEED to steal other's posessions, but choose to.

Once again, it was not my place to judge you, my apologies.

[Rausch]

I'm cakn patna, money is nothing.

Sadly, yes, I pay for it knowing that it covers things I do not really need, but own.



What is the total percentage of your pay spent on food per week?

I guess you could shrug off your stolen car and not report it to the cops, whatever you want to do. That doesn't seem too bright, and really proves nothing. I suppose you could take another person's car, I don't care. They very well may raise your rates, but that is why you took that job you really wanted, to pay for your car and insurance. You can just spend more of your daily time at work, making more money for your car, insurance, bills, food, etc. That's what you are supposed to do, why not.



Haha, cute, like the garbage man! Awesome, yeah!

I think what you just wrote kind of gets to the point I was making. We throw away so much shit that we need or needed at some time in our lives, that we have people come around and collect it in large quantity weekly, sometimes more often, to take it off to a location where it will then be dumped into a gigantic pile, harmoniously mixing with all the other things that were needed by other people... until they didn't really need them anymore. I mean, how else could we make room for all this shit we need in our houses with all that old shit we needed taking up so much space? I know, we can rent storage space, filling it with the older shit we needed so badly.

I guess we don't see it the same.

I do not need my LCD TV, but I wanted it to play my xbox 360 on, which I also wanted, not needed.

However, I do need food, and water, and shelter, those are things I need. Those are things I want rationally.

So, I guess if ever there comes a day when the US is thrown back into the stone age and somebody comes along to steal my food, water, or shelter, then I may be willing to kill them for it, seeing as those are things that are necessary for my life.

Where in columbia?

I'm outta' beer...

[kstater]

They sure do have value, by god! Just like my shoe does, and that stick of chewing gum on my desk right there, everything has value in the right system.

Now, let me ask you this, if you were stranded on an island, alone, starving, hoping for death, and I were to come along and offer you a brand new red Ferrari, I even show you the car, let you smell it, rub your balls across the leather if you so choose, or 25 pounds of delicious foods, which one has more value? Keep in mind the Ferrari is insured as well... the food is not, sorry.

Now, I suppose you could remember the life you had before, in America, and accept the Ferrari, I mean after all that leather does feel nice on the man-purse, or you could recognize that the value in that car is relative, and at this time is absolutely meaningless to you, and absolutely in no way is what you need or want.

Neither I nor the person in this article is not stranded on a fucking island, nor is he forced to be away from civilization nor is he living in Lord of the Flies.

[bowener]

If you need food or blankets, KNOCK on the door. Don't break it down. I'll gladly share.

But, if I wake up to find a 6'5" man in my house who's alleged to be armed, I'm grabbing the .45 and putting holes in someone.

See, this is different to me as well. I agree that it is an entirely different scenario for one to be awakened and find a large person standing over them or near them in the dark with no inclinations as to what their motives are. From what is listed about this kid is that he doesn't do that, and if he did in fact fire at the cops I would assume that has more to do with them being cops than it does them being people. I mean he steals planes from people, and lives in the woods near where wealthier people vacation... it seems like he has picked a certain group he likes to steal from. He may also steal from the poor... and I have no problem with him being punished for breaking the law, I just think it would be absolutely pathetic to kill him over stealing something that really doesn't harm anyone.

Again, if you wake up and have no idea what is going on and the situation honestly warrants it, then yeah, shoot away, your life over another in that situation.

[RNR]

If somebody's stealing my shit, I don't really care if I need it or not. It's my shit, and you can't have it. I will ****ing shoot you.

I'd have no trouble with this prick twitching at the end of a rope, either. The farther this country has gotten away from frontier justice the worse it's gotten.
This has to steal bullshit. Flip burgers pick up cans whatever pay your own god damn way. Rep BTW

[bowener]

Neither I nor the person in this article is not stranded on a ****ing island, nor is he forced to be away from civilization nor is he living in Lord of the Flies.

Well, the point of that, which I know you got, was the show that everything has value depending upon the person and the situation. I must value the belongings I own that are not necessary to living less than you do. I may be mad or frustrated that my car was stolen, but I can honestly say that killing a human over it would never cross my mind. If the kid were to rob people at gun point, then yeah, I can justify killing him if it really seems he would kill for your shit.

[bowener]

Where in columbia?

I'm outta' beer...

For real, PM me, I will buy you a beer. I may even deliver it.

[bowener]

Sorry I read your post incorrectly.

I have been stolen from so many times that my emotion takes over which never leads to a level-headed post.

The fact that when I was robbed was when I was a poor student who worked my ass off to have what I had (which was very little). Deductables take a lot of the claims, and some irreplacables (such as time, which is more valuable then anything) were taken from me.

It sucks to wake in the morning ready to go to class to see a broken window where your car used to be.

This kid that is stealing stuff doesn't need any of it either, that is what really pisses me off. Some thieves do not NEED to steal other's posessions, but choose to.

Once again, it was not my place to judge you, my apologies.

You are cool, man. I get what you are saying. I have had shit stolen, and yeah I have a shitty temper, but I wouldn't take a life over it. I can easily see how in your situations you would be quite angry, and I understand the 'poor student' situation.

The point I was trying to make originally, and now really have no idea where my responses are going, is that, yeah the kid is stealing shit and has or had a shitty life. He hasn't done anything to warrant being shot to death or hung. He took a guys plane, flew it, crashed it on accident unless he was wanting to kill himself, and now apparently steals mostly what he needs such as blankets and clothes.

There is nothing I own that is worth a human life, except my own life. If I had kids or a wife, their lives would be priceless and I would kill for their protection, but if you wanted my wife's purse or ring, and you were willing to kill over it, yeah sure its yours, I clearly don't need it as much as they believe they do. That is all I am trying to get across I guess. The things we have are pretty much unnecessary luxury items we use to pass our free time.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Threads like this really separate and identify the "get off my lawn"-folks from everyone else.LMAO

[notorious]

That is all I am trying to get across I guess. The things we have are pretty much unnecessary luxury items we use to pass our free time.

Absolutely, if it comes to anything, and I do mean anything other then my family, take that shit, twice before you harm us over it.

[Bwana]

Boom!........drop........dig........toss.......move on.

[kstater]

Threads like this really separate and identify the "get off my lawn"-folks from everyone else.LMAO

Are you inferring that people that want to see someone who steals be apprehended as a "get off my lawn" folk?

[rockymtnchief]

Boom!........drop........dig........toss.......move on.

:clap:ROFL

[RNR]

You are cool, man. I get what you are saying. I have had shit stolen, and yeah I have a shitty temper, but I wouldn't take a life over it. I can easily see how in your situations you would be quite angry, and I understand the 'poor student' situation.

The point I was trying to make originally, and now really have no idea where my responses are going, is that, yeah the kid is stealing shit and has or had a shitty life. He hasn't done anything to warrant being shot to death or hung. He took a guys plane, flew it, crashed it on accident unless he was wanting to kill himself, and now apparently steals mostly what he needs such as blankets and clothes.

There is nothing I own that is worth a human life, except my own life. If I had kids or a wife, their lives would be priceless and I would kill for their protection, but if you wanted my wife's purse or ring, and you were willing to kill over it, yeah sure its yours, I clearly don't need it as much as they believe they do. That is all I am trying to get across I guess. The things we have are pretty much unnecessary luxury items we use to pass our free time.

I will have to agree to disagree with you on this. If some guy decides to put me or my family in harms way because he thinks he needs something more than I do. I could kill him dead, eat supper and sleep like a baby that night~

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Are you inferring that people that want to see someone who steals be apprehended as a "get off my lawn" folk?

I'm not touching that with Smed's 3ft pixie stick of angel dust, pal.

[CHENZ A!]

If somebody's stealing my shit, I don't really care if I need it or not. It's my shit, and you can't have it. I will ****ing shoot you.

Exactly, it isn't that deep. I'm not coming off my shit for anyone.

[Bwana]

I will have to agree to disagree with you on this. If some guy decides to put me or my family in harms way because he thinks he needs something more than I do. I could kill him dead, eat supper and sleep like a baby that night~

You know what, I feel the same way. If some lowlife goes out his way to to me to mess with me like that, he takes a dirt nap. Boom.....drop....call to cops.....call to carpet cleaner.....sleep just fine.

[notorious]

You know what, I feel the same way. If some lowlife goes out his way to to me to mess with me like that, he takes a dirt nap. Boom.....drop....call to cops.....call to carpet cleaner.....sleep just fine.

If you were in a situation where they had the upper hand you would still take the risk?

Hell, I would let them take what they want as long as they didn't harm anyone. You can replace shit, not family.

Now if I get the jump on a robber, he would be dead before he knew I was in the house. Any threat of harm towards me or my family would result in death. They knew the risk before they entered the house.

[rockymtnchief]

You know what, I feel the same way. If some lowlife goes out his way to to me to mess with me like that, he takes a dirt nap. Boom.....drop....call to cops.....call to carpet cleaner.....sleep just fine.

Carpet cleaner? Hell no! I have to show my friends first!:D

Let the neighbors see it too. I guarantee nobody would try it again.

[rockymtnchief]

If you were in a situation where they had the upper hand you would still take the risk?


I would, definitely. I have two young daughters. I'd fight off ninjas with a piece of limp celery if there was the slimmest chance of my girls getting to safety.

[notorious]

I would, definitely. I have two young daughters. I'd fight off ninjas with a piece of limp celery if there was the slimmest chance of my girls getting to safety.

It would be an on-the-spot decision for me. If things were looking grim, I would take the chance. If they were calm and appeared to just want the stuff they were stealing, let them have the stuff.

All of this is predicated on the fact that they are holding me and my family at gunpoint.

You wouldn't want to ignite a situation that could turn worse in a hurry.

If I had the upper hand in my house, unfortunately I would probably decide to repaint the walls with the intruder. I wouldn't take a chance of endangering my family.

[Garcia Bronco]

If the need of something is based upon your survival, .

Under that condition...sure. But survial these days is a subjective concept. I bet a good portion of the populace doesn't understand that in a crisis(stranded, hurricane, lost in the mountains, that sort of thing) that drinking water is the first thing you need to secure.

[notorious]

I bet a good portion of the populace doesn't understand that in a crisis(stranded, hurricane, lost in the mountains, that sort of thing) that drinking water is the first thing you need to secure.



If it all goes to hell, city folk are screwed.

Masses of people are the most dangerous thing on the planet.

We have a "if the US collapsed" plan for my family.

The way things have been going, anything can happen.

[Cannibal]

While I think this little shit's story is very interesting and I am amazed by his ability to evade capture. I still believe he's a little piece of human excrement that deserves the highest punishment available in a court of law.

[stevieray]

I would, definitely. I have two young daughters. I'd fight off ninjas with a piece of limp celery if there was the slimmest chance of my girls getting to safety.

ditto..I've got three girsl to protect, you come through my door... it isn't gonna end in your favor...

[RNR]

It would be an on-the-spot decision for me. If things were looking grim, I would take the chance. If they were calm and appeared to just want the stuff they were stealing, let them have the stuff.

All of this is predicated on the fact that they are holding me and my family at gunpoint.

You wouldn't want to ignite a situation that could turn worse in a hurry.

If I had the upper hand in my house, unfortunately I would probably decide to repaint the walls with the intruder. I wouldn't take a chance of endangering my family.

Very true I have been in very tight situations in my life and taken pride driven risks and have been lucky to say the least. But in the situation you speak of I would have to hold my pride and natural reaction if my attack would increase my family's chance of harm. If that was the case and the shitbag walked away he would be confused on who was the lucky one~

[HMc]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

[RNR]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit
:rolleyes:

[KcMizzou]

Years ago I heard a noise in my kitchen at like 3am. I got out of bed, and went to check it out... thinking it was probably all in my head. I was pretty shocked to see some dude standing there. He looked as surprised to see me, as I was to see him.

I took off toward him, and he ran back out the way he came in, and down the street. I was screaming, "Next time I'll blow your FUCKING HEAD OFF!!!" I've never owned a gun, but he didn't know that.

It's a funny story now, but man, that is not a good feeling.

[rockymtnchief]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

Sorry, I already have. I'm not talking theory here. I held an intruder at gun point until police showed up. I'd have shot him if he didn't look so familiar and he was armed.

[KcMizzou]

There was also a time when I was in my old apt. with a girl, and she says, "Did you just hear the door open?" (I'd left it unlocked)

It was 10:30 or so... just some drunk who had the wrong apartment. He already had his shoes off before I got to him. He just apologized about 50 times as he got his shoes back on and left.

[luv]

There was also a time when I was in my old apt. with a girl, and she says, "Did you just hear the door open?" (I'd left it unlocked)

It was 10:30 or so... just some drunk who had the wrong apartment. He already had his shoes off before I got to him. He just apologized about 50 times as he got his shoes back on and left.

This is why I always lock the door behind me when I come in. That, and a fear of being raped.

[rockymtnchief]

Years ago I heard a noise in my kitchen at like 3am. I got out of bed, and went to check it out... thinking it was probably all in my head. I was pretty shocked to see some dude standing there. He looked as surprised to see me, as I was to see him.

I took off toward him, and he ran back out the way he came in, and down the street. I was screaming, "Next time I'll blow your FUCKING HEAD OFF!!!" I've never owned a gun, but he didn't know that.

It's a funny story now, but man, that is not a good feeling.

Damn, makes your heart pound, doesn't?

I chased a guy down the street with my pistol after my roommate caught him peeking in his window. I yelled "I'll shoot you next time." Two days later, the prick came back to peek again. This time the roommate caught him and thumped his ass.

[HMc]

There was also a time when I was in my old apt. with a girl, and she says, "Did you just hear the door open?" (I'd left it unlocked)

It was 10:30 or so... just some drunk who had the wrong apartment. He already had his shoes off before I got to him. He just apologized about 50 times as he got his shoes back on and left.

jesus man why didnt you shoot him

[ChiefaRoo]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

Crikey, a Dingo stole took my baby!

[rockymtnchief]

This is why I always lock the door behind me when I come in. That, and a fear of being raped.

My cousin had the biggest burglary game going in Billings years ago. After he got caught, spent time, and got out he always told me that "Locks are to keep honest people out."

If someone REALLY wants in, they're getting in.

[notorious]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

You are correct, we probably never will have to take these measures.

I am not going to bet our lives on probabilities, though.

[luv]

My cousin had the biggest burglary game going in Billings years ago. After he got caught, spent time, and got out he always told me that "Locks are to keep honest people out."

If someone REALLY wants in, they're getting in.

Another reason why I don't mind renting an apartment being single. If I was screaming bloody murder, I know someone would hear me. I just hope they'd come help me.

[Frazod]

Crikey, a Dingo stole took my baby!

By all means, don't shoot the dingo. That would be wrong.

[RNR]

You are correct, we probably never will have to take these measures.

I am not going to bet our lives on probabilities, though.

All threads would be remiss without the self righteous reply, let the victim...err...intellectual have his moment on the high ground~

[Bwana]

If you were in a situation where they had the upper hand you would still take the risk?


I have been in three situations that were dicey. The first, a buddy and I we coming out of a bar after it closed and some guy pulled a knife out and starting ranting how he was a Green Beret. I don't know if that was true or not, of if the guy was some kind of a crack head. The guy came toward us and I took him out fast, hard and without hesitation.

Round two, I was going into a hotel/bar with a girlfriend and got asked for money from some homeless dude. I told him no and kept walking. He came up and grabbed my girlfriend and demanded money. I talked calmly and kept getting closer. The guy started reaching inside his jacket and the alarm bells went off. I moved in and took him out. I have no idea to this day if he was reaching for a knife, a gun, or scratching his balls, but the unpredictability of the situation was what made me move in.

Round three: A bunch of us has left a bar and were walking back to our truck. There was a hooker on the corner so I decided to go talk to her. (No I wasn't going to bone the bitch) I just did it for shits an giggles. She was some kind of a meth monkey and pulls out a 25 auto, little tiny bastard and points it at me and says leave! I'm looking at her and said, is that a gun or a cigarette lighter? and laughed. I did hump my ass back across the street though, because I could see in her eyes, she was scared shitless, which means she may be willing to shoot my sorry cowboy ass.

So, to answer your question, it depends. If I feel my life is in danger and I can't get away, I will go for the kill. If a member of my family has their life put in danger, ditto.

One of my old martial arts instructors asked the class "If someone pulls a gun on you and asks for your wallet, which self defense move(s) would you use?" People would give all different responses of what they would do explaining various disarming techniques. He response was "NO!" And he threw down a wallet and ran the other direction.

There is a lot of truth to that. This guy took second in the world one year and was an Olympic coach. It is not worth risking your life over some money or a ring. Nine times out of ten, I win and disarm the guy, but one out of ten, I'm dead, not worth it.

If someone breaks into my house while I'm in it, they are going to get shot, no ands ifs or buts about it. Two in the chest, one in the head. If you break into my house, I consider you a threat to my life and I WILL kill you. I don't know if you are armed or not, but I'm not going to take a chance. Why should I, you broke into my house, it's not my job to figure out if you have a gun or not.

[Brock]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

Thankfully, in our country, we have the option of owning guns for self defense.

[Donger]

Yeah, insured. That would be one of the primary reason for calling the cops, to avoid looking like I was committing fraud.

I have some broken Xbox 360's that I like to tinker around with. Would you like them? I got one of them working again for a short bit, then it died again.

Why do you have insurance for things that aren't needed? Do you pay the premium?

[notorious]

All threads would be remiss without the self righteous reply, let the victim...err...intellectual have his moment on the high ground~

Survival is something very few people have ever had to put to the test. I haven't been tested very hard yet (life and death), thank God, but I will be as prepared as possible if anything should happen.

He can live the way he wants to and look down on us like we are neanderthals, but when it comes to the moment, the prepared will have a better chance of survival.

Good intentions, warm and fuzzy feelings won't do much to slow criminal that is there to take your life regardless. That bullshit is for Hollywood.

[notorious]

So, to answer your question, it depends. If I feel my life is in danger and I can't get away, I will go for the kill. If a member of my family has their life put in danger, ditto.

One of my old martial arts instructors asked the class "If someone pulls a gun on you and asks for your wallet, which self defense move(s) would you use?" People would give all different responses of what they would do explaining various disarming techniques. He response was "NO!" And he threw down a wallet and ran the other direction.

There is a lot of truth to that. This guy took second in the world one year and was an Olympic coach. It is not worth risking your life over some money or a ring. Nine times out of ten, I win and disarm the guy, but one out of ten, I'm dead, not worth it.

If someone breaks into my house while I'm in it, they are going to get shot, no ands ifs or buts about it. Two in the chest, one in the head. If you break into my house, I consider you a threat to my life and I WILL kill you. I don't know if you are armed or not, but I'm not going to take a chance. Why should I, you broke into my house, it's not my job to figure out if you have a gun or not.


Beautifully stated. I couldn't agree more.

[HMc]

Survival is something very few people have ever had to put to the test. I haven't been tested very hard yet (life and death), thank God, but I will be as prepared as possible if anything should happen.

He can live the way he wants to and look down on us like we are neanderthals, but when it comes to the moment, the prepared will have a better chance of survival.

Good intentions, warm and fuzzy feelings won't do much to slow criminal that is there to take your life regardless. That bullshit is for Hollywood.

You're right. Far better to live in constant fear of the boogie-man who will probably never show up than to live care-free taking the incredibly small risk that he does.

I was referring to the dick-stroking in this thread rather than actual preparation anyway.

[rockymtnchief]

...it's not my job to figure out if you have a gun or not.

:clap: 'nuff said.

BTW...don't mess with mom either. She left some nice 9MM holes in the wall shooting at an intruder. That's when we explained 'center mass' followed with a head shot. Not the other way around.

[HMc]

Thankfully, in our country, we have the option of owning guns for self defense.

I know. And isn't it lucky that the deaths attributed to legal firearms in the US aren't like, off the freakin charts or anything.

Oh, wait

[Donger]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

This is what happens in a country that was founded by criminal rejects. Oh, wait.

[Bwana]

Chances are none of you will ever need to "protect-mah-family" so you can probably take your hands of your erect cocks for a bit

Thanks for the post "Mic"

http://www.videodetective.com/photos/518/021785_24.jpg

[notorious]

You're right. Far better to live in constant fear of the boogie-man who will probably never show up than to live care-free taking the incredibly small risk that he does.

I was referring to the dick-stroking in this thread rather than actual preparation anyway.

There is a lot of stroking going on.

I have a feeling that a majority of people in this thread would react differently if the situation actually occured (including myself). Human nature is unpredictable. It will never go as well as planned, and you have to factor in that you don't want the intruder to take your weapon and use it against you, or shoot your own family member.

It's a lot more complicated then sitting down a dark hallway and lining up a perfect kill shot on the criminal.

I don't believe anyone here is living in fear, and if they are they need to move or get some psyc help.

[RNR]

I have been in three situations that were dicey. The first, a buddy and I we coming out of a bar after it closed and some guy pulled a knife out and starting ranting how he was a Green Beret. I don't know if that was true or not, of if the guy was some kind of a crack head. The guy came toward us and I took him out fast, hard and without hesitation.

Round two, I was going into a hotel/bar with a girlfriend and got asked for money from some homeless dude. I told him no and kept walking. He came up and grabbed my girlfriend and demanded money. I talked calmly and kept getting closer. The guy started reaching inside his jacket and the alarm bells went off. I moved in and took him out. I have no idea to this day if he was reaching for a knife, a gun, or scratching his balls, but the unpredictability of the situation was what made me move in.

Round three: A bunch of us has left a bar and were walking back to our truck. There was a hooker on the corner so I decided to go talk to her. (No I wasn't going to bone the bitch) I just did it for shits an giggles. She was some kind of a meth monkey and pulls out a 25 auto, little tiny bastard and points it at me and says leave! I'm looking at her and said, is that a gun or a cigarette lighter? and laughed. I did hump my ass back across the street though, because I could see in her eyes, she was scared shitless, which means she may be willing to shoot my sorry cowboy ass.

So, to answer your question, it depends. If I feel my life is in danger and I can't get away, I will go for the kill. If a member of my family has their life put in danger, ditto.

One of my old martial arts instructors asked the class "If someone pulls a gun on you and asks for your wallet, which self defense move(s) would you use?" People would give all different responses of what they would do explaining various disarming techniques. He response was "NO!" And he threw down a wallet and ran the other direction.
There is a lot of truth to that. This guy took second in the world one year and was an Olympic coach. It is not worth risking your life over some money or a ring. Nine times out of ten, I win and disarm the guy, but one out of ten, I'm dead, not worth it.

If someone breaks into my house while I'm in it, they are going to get shot, no ands ifs or buts about it. Two in the chest, one in the head. If you break into my house, I consider you a threat to my life and I WILL kill you. I don't know if you are armed or not, but I'm not going to take a chance. Why should I, you broke into my house, it's not my job to figure out if you have a gun or not.
A guy I used to spar with taught me the best self defense move I have ever learned in a gym or anywhere else. It was one lesson and it took a few seconds. It goes like this...You are in a bar and you cross paths with that guy, you know the one, he has his mind set that he is going to fight you. You look at him and say I will be right back. You go get in your truck and go to another bar cause there are plenty of them all over town. I have never used it and a couple time I wish I would have but I am pretty sure it would work~

[Time's Yours]

You are cool, man. I get what you are saying. I have had shit stolen, and yeah I have a shitty temper, but I wouldn't take a life over it. I can easily see how in your situations you would be quite angry, and I understand the 'poor student' situation.

The point I was trying to make originally, and now really have no idea where my responses are going, is that, yeah the kid is stealing shit and has or had a shitty life. He hasn't done anything to warrant being shot to death or hung. He took a guys plane, flew it, crashed it on accident unless he was wanting to kill himself, and now apparently steals mostly what he needs such as blankets and clothes.

There is nothing I own that is worth a human life, except my own life. If I had kids or a wife, their lives would be priceless and I would kill for their protection, but if you wanted my wife's purse or ring, and you were willing to kill over it, yeah sure its yours, I clearly don't need it as much as they believe they do. That is all I am trying to get across I guess. The things we have are pretty much unnecessary luxury items we use to pass our free time.

That kid didn't need the airplane. He doesn't have to live in woods. He doesn't need to wreck a Cessna.

It doesn't matter that the money is coming from an insurance co. The kid is destroying wealth. For no reason.

I don't care if I don't need what he's stealing. He doesn't either, and between me and him, if I have title, I probably did more to earn it.

I'm not advocating that he be shot, but your argument about the items not being needed for survival makes no sense.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This is what happens in a country that was founded by criminal rejects. Oh, wait.

I thought it was settled by religious outcasts that I now wish the King(s) would have killed instead of letting them leave Europe?

[Bwana]

A guy I used to spar with taught me the best self defense move I have ever learned in a gym or anywhere else. It was one lesson and it took a few seconds. It goes like this...You are in a bar and you cross paths with that guy, you know the one, he has his mind set that he is going to fight you. You look at him and say I will be right back. You go get in your truck and go to another bar cause there are plenty of them all over town. I have never used it and a couple time I wish I would have but I am pretty sure it would work~

Exactly. :thumb: I don't go around getting in brawls if there is a way out myself. The only way I fight these days, is if I'm backed into a corner and I make it a point not to let that heppen.

[Bwana]

It doesn't matter that the money is coming from an insurance co. The kid is destroying wealth. For no reason.


Who he hell is this guy running around the woods, Barry Obama?

[Cannibal]

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[notorious]

Exactly. :thumb: I don't go around getting in brawls if there is a way out myself. The only way I fight these days, is if I'm backed into a corner and I make it a point not to let that heppen.

Yeah, I am pretty passive myself. If somebody has a problem with me, it's their problem, not mine. It's not worth the time or the trouble.

The only thing that would get me to the point of fighting is if someone threatened my very close friends and family.

If not, I would rather wake up the next day at home with the loser thinking I am a pussy then wake up in the clink feeling like a badass.

[rockymtnchief]

I know. And isn't it lucky that the deaths attributed to legal firearms in the US aren't like, off the freakin charts or anything.

Oh, wait

So....I should shoot an intruder with an illegal firearm?

I've taken hunters safety, three handgun classes, and a carry/conceal class. I have friends that tell me I'm anal about handgun safety. I've fired 900-950 rounds through all my guns this year. If I shoot someone it will be legal with a legal gun. If they die, it's their fault.

I hate that term...deaths attributed to legal firearms. It's a lot of circumstances bundled into one statistic. The man who shot four Seattle policeman was killed with a legal firearm. Take all the numbers, bundle them together, and make it sound really bad.

[HMc]

Exactly. :thumb: I don't go around getting in brawls if there is a way out myself. The only way I fight these days, is if I'm backed into a corner and I make it a point not to let that heppen.

This is a serious question...how often do you get into fights?

[Bwana]

This is a serious question...how often do you get into fights?

In, or out of the dojo?

[KcMizzou]

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El Guapo always gets rep.

[rockymtnchief]

Exactly. :thumb: I don't go around getting in brawls if there is a way out myself. The only way I fight these days, is if I'm backed into a corner and I make it a point not to let that heppen.

For some odd reason, I never get backed into a corner. People just start punching me in the head! I shit you not...people I don't even know. My friends assume that I look like an easy target for whoever wants to be the bar bully that night.

Anyway, I walk away from tussles anymore. I don't even want to watch.

[RNR]

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Is that an Australian accent? I think that guy might be from Australia~

[Bwana]

For some odd reason, I never get backed into a corner. People just start punching me in the head! I shit you not...people I don't even know. My friends assume that I look like an easy target for whoever wants to be the bar bully that night.

Anyway, I walk away from tussles anymore. I don't even want to watch.

I had a buddy like that. The dude was like a fight magnet. ROFL

[stormtrooper]

its likely hes a bitch nerd boy so ya hes gonna get raped in prison

[notorious]

its likely hes a bitch nerd boy so ya hes gonna get raped in prison

If they really wanted him, they would get him.

[KcMizzou]

Is that an Australian accent? I think that guy might be from Australia~Heheh.

He's Dutch, and he's hilarious. He was quite the badass back in the day. Loved to punish the liver. (Possibly in more ways than one.)

[KcMizzou]

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[rockymtnchief]

BTW...if you've never had your home broke into and tore apart, you won't understand the feeling of vulnerability and violation you feel.

If this kid was living off the land and stealing an ear of corn from a farm field, grabbing an apple from a tree, or raiding a tomato or two I'd probably give him some respect.

Once he starts B&E and taking joy rides, he's just a thug to me.

[RNR]

Heheh.

He's Dutch, and he's hilarious. He was quite the badass back in the day. Loved to punish the liver. (Possibly in more ways than one.)

I have watched him fight several times. I was just pounding a little sand up the Aussies ass :)

[KcMizzou]

I have watched him fight several times. I was just pounding a little sand up the Aussies ass :)I figured... still had to post a vid though...lol Sorry.

[RNR]

I figured... still had to post a vid though...lol Sorry.

That is cool pre octagon old school~

[HMc]

Is that an Australian accent? I think that guy might be from Australia~

You can't possibly be serious? Have you ever left the 48?

[RNR]

You can't possibly be serious? Have you ever left the 48?

LMAO read the rest of the replies~

[Brock]

I know. And isn't it lucky that the deaths attributed to legal firearms in the US aren't like, off the freakin charts or anything.

Oh, wait

Good to know you rugged Aussies accept the government yoke so easily as long as it makes you all saaaaafe.

[jidar]

I'd kill everyone in this fucking thread for a beer.

[jidar]

Seriously though. That kid is a theif... I guess I can see why people are glamorizing it, but frankly his ass needs to go to jail.

[HMc]

Good to know you rugged Aussies accept the government yoke so easily as long as it makes you all saaaaafe.

Good luck with the gun. You're far more likely to shoot yourself with it than an intruder or attacker or whatever but hey, that's your right.

[Brock]

Good luck with the gun. You're far more likely to shoot yourself with it than an intruder or attacker or whatever but hey, that's your right.

You're welcome to your opinion. In this country, anyway.

[Phobia]

If somebody breaks into my house when I'm gone, my wife is definitely dead. When she hears a noise, her first instinct is to say "HELLO!" - which is the equivalent of saying, "Intruder, I'm down here. Please come hurt me."

If somebody comes into your home, locate your shotgun, baseball bat, knife or whatever and shut your mouth. Maybe he'll leave. But if he come near you, use that element of surprise.

[Phobia]

I'd kill everyone in this ****ing thread for a beer.

What about just a few selected ones?

[RNR]

Good luck with the gun. You're far more likely to shoot yourself with it than an intruder or attacker or whatever but hey, that's your right.

You have not spent much time around guns have you LMAO

[HMc]

You have not spent much time around guns have you LMAO

Look it up jackass, more Americans die from self inflicted gunfire than any other variety

[DeezNutz]

Good luck with the gun. You're far more likely to shoot yourself with it than an intruder or attacker or whatever but hey, that's your right.

I feel very comfortable taking this risk.

[RNR]

Look it up jackass, more Americans die from self inflicted gunfire than any other variety

Gosh you called me a bad name~

[Rausch]

Look it up jackass, more Americans die from self inflicted gunfire than any other variety

If they're Chiefs fans it's on purpose...

[Brock]

Look it up jackass, more Americans die from self inflicted gunfire than any other variety

Hey, if you're okay with living with less freedom and more intrusive government, it's cool, I see where you're coming from. That's not how it is here, though. More freedom often translates into greater danger, and it's a trade off we're willing to accept.

[HMc]

TBH I'm neither here or there on firearms. They just aren't part of the culture here. Even when you could have one relatively easily, the vast majority of people didn't. So when they were outlawed even further, most people really didn't give a shit.

[googlegoogle]

Hollywood is so desperate for ideas that they support this dumb kid.

Kid is a thief. If he robbed Hollwood producers' homes ,then would they make that into a film?

LOL. don't think so.

[Hammock Parties]

What did he lose his virginity to? A bobcat?

[Boise_Chief]

Look it up jackass, more Americans die from self inflicted gunfire than any other variety


The only reason that stat is true is that they include suicide in self inflicted gunshot wounds. It's the anti-gun crowd that makes the statistics.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Hey, if you're okay with living with less freedom and more intrusive government, it's cool, I see where you're coming from. That's not how it is here, though. More freedom often translates into greater danger, and it's a trade off we're willing to accept.

Huh? Just because it's done covertly instead of out in the open for all to see doesn't mean it does not exist.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

THROW 'EM UP!

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Eazy E was fuckin' awesome. I couldn't stand that shit at the time, but I enjoy listening to him a lot now.

[Rausch]

Huh? Just because it's done covertly instead of out in the open for all to see doesn't mean it does not exist.

He's talking about the spirit of our constitution, not how it's been gang-raped over a pinball machine the last 10 years...

[Tribal Warfare]

This kid is the inspiration for the wolf T-shirt.

[cookster50]

I hope they anal rape him and make him die in a fire!:cuss:

Was that your plane he stole?

[Cannibal]

Was that your plane he stole?

If someone stole your car, I am sure you'd want the kid's nuts ripped off.

[KC native]

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[Inspector]

I am curious if anyone other than the police actually heard this shot fired... if not, it seems the cops are tired of looking like stupid asses who cant catch an 18 year old who has apparently never really been to school.

Who gives a shit if he respects people's property, its insured, and if it isn't, then they must not really like it enough to bother insuring it. We have too much 'property' any how. Do you need all the 'property' you own? I have a closet full of shit that is my property, but I don't need any of it. Hell, my apartment is full of shit that is legally my property that I definitely don't need to survive; hell, I own most of it because of impulse buying.... stupid.



Bigfoot, maybe. Cooper is dead, Zed.

This (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/cooper.htm) is probably one of the most interesting Dan Cooper claimee's I ever came across.

These are some great years for you being 25. Enjoy them.

I know it won't happen but it would be really interesting for you to be able to read the comments you've written in this thread in about 25 to 30 years from now. We really do change so much as we mature and gain life experience. The bad part is losing some of those idealistic positions we held so firmly in our youth.

You sound like you have a lot of empathy for others and a generous heart which is a good thing. Life experiences tend to diminish those virtues as we grow older.

I think I would have had similar responses when I was your age but now, I'd fall in line with the "blow his head off if he came into my home" crowd. Again, life experience, working hard for our belongings, and providing for a family will pound that part of reality into us.

[notorious]

These are some great years for you being 25. Enjoy them.

I know it won't happen but it would be really interesting for you to be able to read the comments you've written in this thread in about 25 to 30 years from now. We really do change so much as we mature and gain life experience. The bad part is losing some of those idealistic positions we held so firmly in our youth.

You sound like you have a lot of empathy for others and a generous heart which is a good thing. Life experiences tend to diminish those virtues as we grow older.

I think I would have had similar responses when I was your age but now, I'd fall in line with the "blow his head off if he came into my home" crowd. Again, life experience, working hard for our belongings, and providing for a family will pound that part of reality into us.

Outstanding post.

[Molitoth]

I'd watch the movie

It's called "Into the Wild" and it's really really good.

[Dante84]

All good things must someday end....

'Barefoot Bandit's' 2-year run from law is over

By JUAN McCARTNEY, Associated Press Writer – 22 mins ago

NASSAU, Bahamas – The teenage "Barefoot Bandit" who allegedly stole cars, boats and airplanes to dodge U.S. law enforcement was nabbed Sunday as he tried to make a water escape then brought handcuffed — and shoeless — to the capital to face justice, abruptly ending his two-year life on the lam.

Colton Harris-Moore was arrested before dawn in northern Eleuthera, said Sgt. Chrislyn Skippings, a spokeswoman for the Royal Bahamas Police Force. A contingent of high-ranking officers traveled to the island and took the suspect to Nassau, the country's capital, where he faces possible extradition to the United States.

True to his nickname, the 19-year-old suspect was barefoot as he stepped off the plane. He kept his head down and ignored questions shouted by reporters. Escorted by six police cars and SUVs, the teen had close-shorn hair and wore short camouflage cargo pants, a white long-sleeved shirt and a bulletproof vest. Police blocked traffic on the route to the Central Detective Unit where he was taken for processing.

Island police had been searching for the wily fugitive since he allegedly crash-landed a stolen plane a week ago on nearby Great Abaco Island, where he was blamed for a string of at least seven break-ins.

Authorities caught Harris-Moore on Harbour Island, a small tourist destination just off mainland Eleuthera, police Commissioner Ellison Greenslade told a news conference.

Harris-Moore was carrying a handgun that he tried to throw away and shots were fired during a water chase, Greenslade said. He did not say who fired them.

"It was like something you might see in the movies," Greenslade said.
Earlier Sunday, a police official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't allowed to discuss the case said Harris-Moore initially attempted to flee but police shot out the engine on his boat.

He added that the suspect was examined by a doctor and appeared to be in good health. He will be taken to court this week and arraigned on charges including theft and burglary in the Bahamas, the commissioner said, noting that these charges will take priority over those pending against him in the United States.

A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Nassau, Jeff Dubel, praised the "outstanding efforts" of the Bahamian authorities who captured the teen.
Harris-Moore, who has been running from American law enforcement since escaping from a Washington state halfway house in 2008, gained fame and thousands of fans who admired his ability to evade arrest. He is suspected of stealing cars, boats and at least five planes — including the aircraft he allegedly lifted in Indiana and flew more than 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) to the islands off Florida's coast, despite a lack of formal flight training.

The teen is a skilled outdoorsman who honed his abilities growing up in the woods of Camano Island in Puget Sound about 30 miles (50 kilometers) north of Seattle.

Island police picked up his trail in Eleuthera after recovering a 44-foot (13-meter) power boat stolen from a marina on Abaco, 40 miles (65 kilometers) to the north.

Burglary victims in Eleuthera told The Associated Press on Saturday they had little doubt the lanky, 6-foot, 5-inch (1.9-meter) fugitive was on the island.

Ferry boat captain Freddie Grant said he was returning from Harbour Island on Wednesday evening when he saw a tall, white teenager bathing or swimming in an inlet near the ferry landing. Ferry service employee Stan Pennerman also said he saw Harris-Moore lurking in the woods the same day.

Neither man thought much of it until they noticed the next morning that somebody had damaged the ignition system on three of their boats.
A bar at the ferry landing was also burglarized Wednesday night by a thief who cut a screen to break in, dismantled a security light, and moved the television's remote controls, said Denaldo Bain, the 30-year-old manager of Coakley's International Sporting Lounge.

"He was watching television. He was just chilling," said Bain, who also said he saw the teenager in the inlet.

Sightings were later reported elsewhere in Eleuthera, including at a bar in Governor's Harbour, 50 miles (80 kilometers) to the south, where one witness said Harris-Moore bought drinks for a girl. Others claimed to see him driving a rental car around the island Saturday.

Harris-Moore's mother, Pam Kohler, has said that he had a troubled childhood. His first conviction, for possession of stolen property, came at age 12. Within a few months of turning 13, he had three more.

But Kohler also has publicly defended her son, saying the allegations against him are exaggerated. She has told the AP that she hoped he would flee to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the United States.

Reached early Sunday at her home on Camano Island in Washington state, she said she'd heard the news about the arrest but had no comment.

Harris-Moore was sentenced to nearly four years in juvenile detention after being caught in an unoccupied home in 2007, but he did well enough there that he was transferred to a group home, where he sneaked out of a window more than two years ago.

He was dubbed the "Barefoot Bandit" for allegedly going shoeless during some crimes and once allegedly leaving behind chalk footprints as a calling card.

Harris-Moore has nearly 58,000 fans on Facebook, some of whom on Sunday posted disappointed messages or promoted T-shirts and tote bags with the words "Free Colton!" and "Let Colton Fly!"
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[Mr. Flopnuts]

He's busted, and rightfully so. But give him credit, he went viral in a 2 year escapade, making law enforcement up here look like FOOLS. And he's just a child.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs153.snc4/36964_107764485942186_100001259057302_57526_4899167_n.jpg

[RNR]

He's busted, and rightfully so. But give him credit, he went viral in a 2 year escapade, making law enforcement up here look like FOOLS. And he's just a child.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs153.snc4/36964_107764485942186_100001259057302_57526_4899167_n.jpg

And I hope he is a old man before he gets out of jail. Nothing but a worthless thief~

[notorious]

And I hope he is a old man before he gets out of jail. Nothing but a worthless thief~

This.


He is going to wish he got caught when he was 17 after the system is done with him.


To go from nature to concrete walls and bars should drive it home.

[Dante84]

I hope the military picks him up and makes him special ops. It would be cool if he was "our" thief.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

He won't do more than 5 years behind bars gentlemen. 10 tops. I guarantee this guy isn't in prison when he's 30 unless it's because he's re-offended.

[Rain Man]

I'm guessing the Facebook people who like him so much didn't have stuff stolen by him.

[notorious]

He won't do more than 5 years behind bars gentlemen. 10 tops. I guarantee this guy isn't in prison when he's 30 unless it's because he's re-offended.

That is a long time for a kid that has been running free for a couple of years.

[googlegoogle]

6'6" white boy easy to find in the bahamas.

should have stayed in your hometown there boy! lol.

[RNR]

He won't do more than 5 years behind bars gentlemen. 10 tops. I guarantee this guy isn't in prison when he's 30 unless it's because he's re-offended.

I hope it is 10. Once in he may have to do things that catch him some more time to survive or catch something else~

[Dave Lane]

We all wish we could be as cool as you are.

[RNR]

We all wish we could be as cool as you are.

I see you are online. I responded to your post in the Mel Gibson thread and bumped it once. You should read it as maybe you are not as cool as you think you are~

[SenselessChiefsFan]

So, he thinks he is above the law, and stays alive by stealing stuff from the people who earned it? Sounds like he has a future in politics.

[teedubya]

6'6 white boy should have picked up a basketball or played quarterback.

[Garcia Bronco]

If he layed low for two-3 years...no one would recognize him anymore,.

[Param]

After being on the run you escape to the the Bahamas?.?.?. You fail!

[Demonpenz]

his face is the new rage against the machine logo

[DenverChief]

And I hope he is a old man before he gets out of jail. Nothing but a worthless thief~

Escape is a felony probably 5 years for the escape charge then the felony theft charges another 5-10 is he gets consecutive he serves 7-8 w/ good time if he gets concurrent serves maybe 4*

Wire fraud and theft of automobiles/watercraft crossing state lines makes it a federal charge (if they pursue it) and that is a while nuther ball of wax

*guessing based on CO law

[R8RFAN]

they should put some anti freeze on his pizza

[Consistent1]

Cute story, really. Coming up with a "signature" for your crimes ordering pizzas is just like picking berries and catching fish with your bare hands. He was obviously looking for cash and shit in his little theft missions. and fucking planes....? Come on.

[kcchiefsus]

Escape is a felony probably 5 years for the escape charge then the felony theft charges another 5-10 is he gets consecutive he serves 7-8 w/ good time if he gets concurrent serves maybe 4*

Wire fraud and theft of automobiles/watercraft crossing state lines makes it a federal charge (if they pursue it) and that is a while nuther ball of wax

*guessing based on CO law

Didn't the FBI offer a $10,000 reward for information leading to his arrest? If so then it would seem he is a high enough priority that they will pursue all charges possible. I hope they make an example of this little shithead.

[NewChief]

For those interested in this kids' story, Outside did an interesting piece on him a while back.
http://outside.away.com/outside/culture/201001/colton-harris-moore-plane-steal-1.html

[Frosty]

Did he have any of Flopnuts' stuff?

[boogblaster]

been there tried that

[L.A. Chieffan]

did this guy catch him?

http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/c/Catch_me_if_you_can/co2.jpg

[Sofa King]

did this guy catch him?

http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/c/Catch_me_if_you_can/co2.jpg

that's been a TV... just watched it yesterday... or some of it...