Am I the only one who wants the Chiefs to lose to the Browns?

[journeyscarab]

It will atleast keep our chances alive with a coin flip for the 3rd pick in the draft.

I just want to see us go down the drain and lose to the worst team in the league and maybe Pioli will clean house major.

[BigVE]

We have little to gain by winning. I could care less now anyways.

[Brock]

Oh, the Browns are going to beat the Chiefs.

[kepp]

Not sure, but you may be the only one who cares.

[Rain Man]

When we get Bowe back we'll be unstoppable.

[keg in kc]

I don't enjoy watching losses, draft picks be damned.

[BigCatDaddy]

Because we have done so well with our other top 5 picks.......

[Bowser]

I don't enjoy watching losses, draft picks be damned.

Neither do I, but my give a shit is pretty low these days. I still get frustrated, but it doesn't wreck my day or anything.

[MichaelH]

Because we have done so well with our other top 5 picks.......

Look who was picking them. I still have faith that this time it will be better. And maybe next season. :rolleyes:

[sedated]

I'm not on the "get a super-high draft pick" bandwagon this year. It hurt our ability to trade down last year and get better value/more picks. Plus, time has shown that you can get the same talent in the mid-round as you can in the top 3 or 5 (except probably QB). It just ends up costing teams more money and giving a guy a contract he doesn't deserve.

[keg in kc]

Neither do I, but my give a shit is pretty low these days. I still get frustrated, but it doesn't wreck my day or anything.Same for me. These days if the game's too bad, I'll turn it off. Never did that until '04 or '05. I guess 5 years of this shit was my limit.

[beach tribe]

I want to win as many games as possible.
There is nothing to gain from a loss. Losing to the browns would not prove we suck any more than we have already proven.

[beach tribe]

I'm not on the "get a super-high draft pick" bandwagon this year. It hurt our ability to trade down last year and get better value/more picks. Plus, time has shown that you can get the same talent in the mid-round as you can in the top 3 or 5 (except probably QB). It just ends up costing teams more money and giving a guy a contract he doesn't deserve.

Yup.
Nobody wants the really high picks anymore.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I don't plan to watch and will cheer for Cleveland.

[Chiefnj2]

It's fun to dream that the draft is going to be some miracle cure, but that is never the case with KC. If we get a better pick than the Browns, then fine, it not - no big deal.

In the big picture I'd rather KC win out all remaining games, Cassel look like a legitimate starting QB, Albert return to 2008 form, Jackson look like a top 5 pick, etc.

[BY1401]

I'm sure there are a couple of Browns fans who want the Chiefs to lose.

[Johnny Vegas]

just beat the donks and start the off season.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Speculation of draft picks is the highlight of my NFL experience these days....

[Coogs]

I want the high pick... and for it to be used on a QB. Tampa Bay will not go QB, but St. Louie might. If we get to #3, chances are pretty good Clausen could be on the board. If we are behind Cleveland (and/or Washington) Qb's that might be worth a darn will be gone.

I have seen enough of Cassel. Hell, he even burned to much time spiking the ball.

[Mr. Laz]

meh, i guess the 3rd pick could become valuable if Locker comes out.

Locker
Suh
McCoy
Clausen

someone could want to trade up for a QB

[Hook 'Em Horns12]

fdgfdg

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm sick of losing, and I'm sick of wasting Top 5 draft picks.

So, yeah, I'd prefer to win. Then we can waste a Top 6 draft pick.

:cuss:

[DaKernal]

I dont want another top 5 pick, unless we use it to get Berry.

[LaChapelle]

Why hate on the Chiefs players like that

[Fat Elvis]

Yeah, I can't wait to draft another Tyson Jackson.

[Sully]

I played the "hope for a loss for a better pick" game last year. The high pick ended up fucking us. Never do it again.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I played the "hope for a loss for a better pick" game last year. The high pick ended up fucking us. Never do it again.

Eh, the high pick didn't fuck us.

What we did prior to the draft eliminated any possible value that pick possessed.

(Cassel, move to 3-4)

[BigRedChief]

Yup.
Nobody wants the really high picks anymore.You can't trade out of em and get anything close to value, so you just have to use the pick.

[Mojo Jojo]

It will atleast keep our chances alive with a coin flip for the 3rd pick in the draft.

I just want to see us go down the drain and lose to the worst team in the league and maybe Pioli will clean house major.

Pioli has already changed over half the roster...I think that is a major house cleaning. Who else do you want him to get rid of? Of the "right 53" except for the kicker the only ones producing are Carl picks/signings. As far as the draft goes Pioli didn't do so well with #3 last year.

[The Franchise]

If we get a top 3 pick....and we don't take Berry.....I'm going to fucking flip.

[CaliforniaChief]

It's fun to dream that the draft is going to be some miracle cure, but that is never the case with KC. If we get a better pick than the Browns, then fine, it not - no big deal.

In the big picture I'd rather KC win out all remaining games, Cassel look like a legitimate starting QB, Albert return to 2008 form, Jackson look like a top 5 pick, etc.

Nice. I agree 100% with this.

[soundmind]

It's fun to dream that the draft is going to be some miracle cure, but that is never the case with KC. If we get a better pick than the Browns, then fine, it not - no big deal.

In the big picture I'd rather KC win out all remaining games, Cassel look like a legitimate starting QB, Albert return to 2008 form, Jackson look like a top 5 pick, etc.

Amen brotha.

[Coogs]

Eh, the high pick didn't fuck us.

What we did prior to the draft eliminated any possible value that pick possessed.

(Cassel, move to 3-4)

This

Get the franchise QB. Let Cassel play next year... at least for a while. Let the new O-line gel so the "new franchise QB" doesn't get shell shocked. Replace Cassel when time is right. Don't look back.

[Chiefnj2]

You can't trade out of em and get anything close to value, so you just have to use the pick.

That's because "value" needs to be redefined.

[MahiMike]

I want a high draft pick as much as anyone but we HAVE to beat the Browns. The other games, we can lose - finish 4-12.

[Coogs]

And FWIW, last year I wanted to trade our #3 and our 2nd round pick to move up to get Stafford. And maybe this is just my opinion, but...

Stafford > Jackson + Cassel + Vrabel

[MMXcalibur]

I'll always always ALWAYS want Kansas City to win. However to fall in line with your question.....no, I won't give two shits if we lose....again.

[Ecto-I]

I always root for the win. I don't know that I could consider myself a good fan otherwise.

[HemiEd]

I don't enjoy watching losses, draft picks be damned.

x2

[Mr. Laz]

If we get a top 3 pick....and we don't take Berry.....I'm going to ****ing flip.
i feel another Sanchez moment coming.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

B5TA

[Red Dawg]

When we get Bowe back we'll be unstoppable.

Yes, we have missed his drops lately.

[HemiEd]

Yes, we have missed his drops lately.

The others took up the slack on the drops. Even Chambers joined in the fray. Cassel must throw a heavy ball.

[wild1]

And FWIW, last year I wanted to trade our #3 and our 2nd round pick to move up to get Stafford. And maybe this is just my opinion, but...

Stafford > Jackson + Cassel + Vrabel

He of the 20 INT and 61.0 QB rating?

[Jilly]

It depends...what QB's are possibly in the draft next year that we would want? I'm making a very optimistic assumption that Haley might do something about Cassel

[vailpass]

This is NBA talk.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

And FWIW, last year I wanted to trade our #3 and our 2nd round pick to move up to get Stafford. And maybe this is just my opinion, but...

Stafford > Jackson + Cassel + Vrabel

Liver Cancer > Jackson + Cassel + Vrabel.

[Mr. Laz]

It depends...what QB's are possibly in the draft next year that we would want? I'm making a very optimistic assumption that Haley might do something about Cassel
Locker or Clausen

Jimmy Clausen, DS #2 QB, Notre Dame <!-- AddThis Button BEGIN --><script type="text/javascript">addthis_pub = 'BrianHFBG';</script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://s7.addthis.com/js/152/addthis_widget.js"></script><!--- Link turned off, Link Submit Info saved on file--->
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College: Notre Dame (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=43&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC) Number: 7
Height: 6-2 Weight: 223
Position: QB (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC) Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2011 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Time: 4.74 40 Low: 4.65 40 High: 4.84
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Rated number 2 out of 145 QB's 7 / 2489 TOTAL </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="middle" width="102">http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teamlogos/43.jpg</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END Player Picture Info Block --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#f3f3f3"> </td> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff2f3">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Draft Scout Snapshot: 2008: 13 GP; 13 GS; Rush: 54-(-73)-(-1.4)-0; Pass: 440-268-60.9-3172-25-17; Started all 13 games at quarterback for the Irish and recorded the third-most prolific passing season in Notre Dame history … completed 268 of his 440 pass attempts (60.9 pct) for 3,172 passing yards (244.0 yards per game) on the year … tossed 25 touchdowns and had 17 interceptions … established records for every major passing category by a sophomore Notre Dame quarterback … the only better statistical seasons were Brady Quinn’s junior and senior years … ranked 43rd in passing efficiency nationally at 132.49 and ranked 40th in total offense at 238.38 … 2007: 10 GP; 9 GS; Rush: 62-(-187)-(-3)-2; Pass: 245-138-56.3-1254-7-6; 1 Sol-1 TT; Started at quarterback in the second game of the season vs. Penn State, the earliest any Notre Dame freshman had started at the position since freshmen regained their eligibility in 1972 ... played in 10 contests and started nine games during rookie campaign ... only Brady Quinn (12 games in 2003) and Blair Kiel (11 games in 1980) played in more games as an Irish freshman signal caller ... tied Quinn and Kiel for most starts by a freshman quarterback in school history ... completed 138 of 245 passes (.563) for 1.254 yards with seven touchdowns and six interceptions ... ranks second on Notre Dame's freshman quarterback single-season lists for completions (Quinn, 157), attempts (Quinn, 332), yards (Quinn, 1,831) and completion percentage (Matt LoVecchio, .584 in 2000) ... seven TD passes rank third on Irish freshman quarterback single-season list behind LoVecchio's 11 and Quinn's nine ... one of three quarterbacks to play in the season opener vs. Georgia Tech ... completed four of six passes for 34 yards ... became the eighth freshman to ever start at quarterback for Notre Dame (since 1951) ... made earliest (second game of the season) freshman QB debut in Notre Dame history against Penn State. Personal: Older brothers, Rick and Casey, both played quarterback at the University of Tennessee.



Jake Locker, DS #3 QB, Washington <!-- AddThis Button BEGIN --><script type="text/javascript">addthis_pub = 'BrianHFBG';</script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://s7.addthis.com/js/152/addthis_widget.js"></script><!--- Link turned off, Link Submit Info saved on file--->
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College: Washington (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=53&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC) Number: 10
Height: 6-3 Weight: 226
Position: QB (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC) Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rJr/2011 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Time: 4.57 40 Low: 4.43 40 High: 4.68
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Rated number 3 out of 145 QB's 9 / 2489 TOTAL </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="middle" width="102">http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teamlogos/53.jpg</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END Player Picture Info Block --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#f3f3f3">
</td> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff2f3">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Draft Scout Snapshot: 2008: 4 GP; 4 GS; Rush: 56-180-3.2-3; Pass: 93-50-53.8-512-1-0; Played in, and started, the season's first four games before breaking his right thumb vs. Stanford ... finished his abbreviated season with 512 yards passing on 50-of-93 passing ... rushed for 180 yards on 56 carries, with three rushing touchdowns ... completed 12-of-28 for 103 yards and rushed for 57 yards on 16 carries in the season-opener at Oregon ... 17-for-32 for 204 yards and one touchdown while rushing for 62 yards and two scores in 28-27 loss to BYU ... 16-for-24 for 154 yards through the air and 12 for 44 on the ground against Oklahoma ... 5-for-9 for 51 yards passing and 10 carries for 17 yards vs. Stanford before breaking his thumb while throwing a downfield block ... didn't throw an interception in 93 pass attempts for the season ... picked up the team's offensive player of the week award for both the Oregon and Brigham Young games. 2007: 12 GP; 12 GS; Rush: 172-986-5.7-13; Pass: 328-155-47.3-2062-14-15; Rec: 1-15-15-0; 4 Sol-4 TT; Named the Pac-10 Freshman of the Year ... named a second-team Freshman All-America by rivals.com and a first-team redshirt freshman All-America by collegesportsreport.com ... chosen as the Sports Radio 950 KJR Player of the Year (offense) and also earned the Travis Spring Most Outstanding Freshman Award for offense at the postseason awards banquet ... earned honorable mention All-Pac-10 honors ... also received Academic All-Pac-10 honorable mention ... set a UW and Pac-10 record for rushing yards by a quarterback with 987 yards ... 987 yards were also good enough to rank second most in a career by a UW quarterback and the most-ever for a freshman ... 3,048 yards of total offense were second-most in UW single-season history ... also established a Pac-10 record for longest pass play with a 98-yard TD completion to Marcel Reece vs. Arizona ... finished fifth in the Pac-10 in rushing with 82.2 yards per game, most by any player who will return in 2008 ... 82.2 yards also ranked No. 51 in the nation and No. 3 among quarterbacks ... fourth in the league and No. 39 in the country in total offense with 254.0 yards per game. 2006: Won the UW's Pepsi Player of the Week Award for his work on the service team after the Fresno State, Arizona and Washington State games ... made the travel squad for every game, and suited up for all 12, but didn't see any game action ... quarterbacked the UW service team. Personal: Drafted in 10th round of 2009 MLB draft by the L.A. Angels, played baseball for the Bellingham Bells in the West Coast Collegiate Baseball League during the summer.

[Jilly]

Locker or Clausen

Jimmy Clausen, DS #2 QB, Notre Dame <!-- AddThis Button BEGIN --><script type="text/javascript">addthis_pub = 'BrianHFBG';</script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://s7.addthis.com/js/152/addthis_widget.js"></script><!--- Link turned off, Link Submit Info saved on file--->
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College: Notre Dame (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=43&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC) Number: 7
Height: 6-2 Weight: 223
Position: QB (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC) Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Jr/2011 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Time: 4.74 40 Low: 4.65 40 High: 4.84
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Rated number 2 out of 145 QB's 7 / 2489 TOTAL </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="middle" width="102">http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teamlogos/43.jpg</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END Player Picture Info Block --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#f3f3f3"> </td> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff2f3">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Draft Scout Snapshot: 2008: 13 GP; 13 GS; Rush: 54-(-73)-(-1.4)-0; Pass: 440-268-60.9-3172-25-17; Started all 13 games at quarterback for the Irish and recorded the third-most prolific passing season in Notre Dame history … completed 268 of his 440 pass attempts (60.9 pct) for 3,172 passing yards (244.0 yards per game) on the year … tossed 25 touchdowns and had 17 interceptions … established records for every major passing category by a sophomore Notre Dame quarterback … the only better statistical seasons were Brady Quinn’s junior and senior years … ranked 43rd in passing efficiency nationally at 132.49 and ranked 40th in total offense at 238.38 … 2007: 10 GP; 9 GS; Rush: 62-(-187)-(-3)-2; Pass: 245-138-56.3-1254-7-6; 1 Sol-1 TT; Started at quarterback in the second game of the season vs. Penn State, the earliest any Notre Dame freshman had started at the position since freshmen regained their eligibility in 1972 ... played in 10 contests and started nine games during rookie campaign ... only Brady Quinn (12 games in 2003) and Blair Kiel (11 games in 1980) played in more games as an Irish freshman signal caller ... tied Quinn and Kiel for most starts by a freshman quarterback in school history ... completed 138 of 245 passes (.563) for 1.254 yards with seven touchdowns and six interceptions ... ranks second on Notre Dame's freshman quarterback single-season lists for completions (Quinn, 157), attempts (Quinn, 332), yards (Quinn, 1,831) and completion percentage (Matt LoVecchio, .584 in 2000) ... seven TD passes rank third on Irish freshman quarterback single-season list behind LoVecchio's 11 and Quinn's nine ... one of three quarterbacks to play in the season opener vs. Georgia Tech ... completed four of six passes for 34 yards ... became the eighth freshman to ever start at quarterback for Notre Dame (since 1951) ... made earliest (second game of the season) freshman QB debut in Notre Dame history against Penn State. Personal: Older brothers, Rick and Casey, both played quarterback at the University of Tennessee.



Jake Locker, DS #3 QB, Washington <!-- AddThis Button BEGIN --><script type="text/javascript">addthis_pub = 'BrianHFBG';</script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://s7.addthis.com/js/152/addthis_widget.js"></script><!--- Link turned off, Link Submit Info saved on file--->
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College: Washington (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/college.php?DSTeamId=53&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC) Number: 10
Height: 6-3 Weight: 226
Position: QB (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC) Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rJr/2011 (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2011&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC)
40 Time: 4.57 40 Low: 4.43 40 High: 4.68
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Rated number 3 out of 145 QB's 9 / 2489 TOTAL </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> <td align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="middle" width="102">http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teamlogos/53.jpg</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- END Player Picture Info Block --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="630"> <tbody> <tr> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#f3f3f3">
</td> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#fff2f3">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Draft Scout Snapshot: 2008: 4 GP; 4 GS; Rush: 56-180-3.2-3; Pass: 93-50-53.8-512-1-0; Played in, and started, the season's first four games before breaking his right thumb vs. Stanford ... finished his abbreviated season with 512 yards passing on 50-of-93 passing ... rushed for 180 yards on 56 carries, with three rushing touchdowns ... completed 12-of-28 for 103 yards and rushed for 57 yards on 16 carries in the season-opener at Oregon ... 17-for-32 for 204 yards and one touchdown while rushing for 62 yards and two scores in 28-27 loss to BYU ... 16-for-24 for 154 yards through the air and 12 for 44 on the ground against Oklahoma ... 5-for-9 for 51 yards passing and 10 carries for 17 yards vs. Stanford before breaking his thumb while throwing a downfield block ... didn't throw an interception in 93 pass attempts for the season ... picked up the team's offensive player of the week award for both the Oregon and Brigham Young games. 2007: 12 GP; 12 GS; Rush: 172-986-5.7-13; Pass: 328-155-47.3-2062-14-15; Rec: 1-15-15-0; 4 Sol-4 TT; Named the Pac-10 Freshman of the Year ... named a second-team Freshman All-America by rivals.com and a first-team redshirt freshman All-America by collegesportsreport.com ... chosen as the Sports Radio 950 KJR Player of the Year (offense) and also earned the Travis Spring Most Outstanding Freshman Award for offense at the postseason awards banquet ... earned honorable mention All-Pac-10 honors ... also received Academic All-Pac-10 honorable mention ... set a UW and Pac-10 record for rushing yards by a quarterback with 987 yards ... 987 yards were also good enough to rank second most in a career by a UW quarterback and the most-ever for a freshman ... 3,048 yards of total offense were second-most in UW single-season history ... also established a Pac-10 record for longest pass play with a 98-yard TD completion to Marcel Reece vs. Arizona ... finished fifth in the Pac-10 in rushing with 82.2 yards per game, most by any player who will return in 2008 ... 82.2 yards also ranked No. 51 in the nation and No. 3 among quarterbacks ... fourth in the league and No. 39 in the country in total offense with 254.0 yards per game. 2006: Won the UW's Pepsi Player of the Week Award for his work on the service team after the Fresno State, Arizona and Washington State games ... made the travel squad for every game, and suited up for all 12, but didn't see any game action ... quarterbacked the UW service team. Personal: Drafted in 10th round of 2009 MLB draft by the L.A. Angels, played baseball for the Bellingham Bells in the West Coast Collegiate Baseball League during the summer.


I don't know, Laz. Thumb and Toe injuries? Sounds pretty serious. :D

[suds79]

There's no way I think we go QB in the 1st given Pioli's investment in Cassel and our other needs.

Having said that....

I'll never fault a team for taking a chance on a QB high if they don't have a franchise QB.

[Mr. Laz]

There's no way I think we go QB in the 1st given Pioli's investment in Cassel and our other needs.

Having said that....

I'll never fault a team for taking a chance on a QB high if they don't have a franchise QB.nah, i doubt they go QB unless Haley is totally pissed off with Cassel.

but even then Pioli might pick Cassel over Haley. ROFL

[Mr. Laz]

btw ... everyone better start praying that the NFL gets a new CBA before the upcoming draft. That should increase the value of higher picks alot.

[wild1]

There's no way they are gonig to pick a QB, so just forget about all of that.

They need to just continue trying to fill holes wherever the best talent out there gives us an opportunity to do so.

We don't have any for-sure legitimate NFL starters on the offensive line at all. They need to fix this first if they have a choice.

[RedThat]

There's no way I think we go QB in the 1st given Pioli's investment in Cassel and our other needs.

Having said that....

I'll never fault a team for taking a chance on a QB high if they don't have a franchise QB.

I can agree with this.

And even if the Chiefs don't draft a QB, I hope they at least hire a really good quarterbacks coach. That's a must for this team.

[redsurfer11]

Because we have done so well with our other top 5 picks.......



Who from LSU this year?

[Jilly]

nah, i doubt they go QB unless Haley is totally pissed off with Cassel.

but even then Pioli might pick Cassel over Haley. ROFL

I said it was an optimistic assumption.....but it does effect how I feel about this game on Sunday.

[Tribal Warfare]

Personally,I don't want them to lose but they are treading water with Cassel. I'm waiting for Haley to have a full out meltdown if Cassel has another multiple interception/turnover outing. Then they bring in Brodie Croyle to play for a win instead of "developing Cassel" when facing adversity.

[RedThat]

There's no way they are gonig to pick a QB, so just forget about all of that.

They need to just continue trying to fill holes wherever the best talent out there gives us an opportunity to do so.

We don't have any for-sure legitimate NFL starters on the offensive line at all. They need to fix this first if they have a choice.

Very good way of putting it.

[Mr. Laz]

I said it was an optimistic assumption.....but it does effect how I feel about this game on Sunday.
so Jilly ... tell us how you feel.


http://www.theseniorschoice.com/newsletters/content_images/The%20Couch.jpg

[Jilly]

so Jilly ... tell us how you feel.


http://www.theseniorschoice.com/newsletters/content_images/The%20Couch.jpg

A little creeped that those people don't have faces.

[NewChief]

I don't know why everyone is lobbying for the Chiefs to finish out at the bottom of the league. The only thing that would be more depressing, as a Chiefs fan, than seeing them finish out at the bottom will be seeing how they squander a choice pick with a boneheaded decision in who to draft.

[Mr. Laz]

A little creeped that those people don't have faces.

so jilly ... tell me how you feel.

http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/couch_potato.jpg

[Jilly]

so jilly ... tell me how you feel.

http://healthhabits.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/couch_potato.jpg

man I hate pork rinds

[Ralphy Boy]

I don't enjoy watching losses, draft picks be damned.

Exactly. I'm sick of losing and we never draft anyone I want anyway.

Because we have done so well with our other top 5 picks.......

But Tyson Jackson is just a first year DE in a new scheme and he'll begin to show us something next year. Or the year after that, or maybe by 2013. He's one of the right 53 and he's a solid guy to build our defense around.

Of course I say all that after he had his best game as a pro, so I hope he proves me wrong.

[Coogs]

I always root for the win. I don't know that I could consider myself a good fan otherwise.

Come on now! You can't type with a straight face and say you wanted wins last year to keep CP and his cronies around can you?

[Coogs]

nah, i doubt they go QB unless Haley is totally pissed off with Cassel.

but even then Pioli might pick Cassel over Haley. ROFL

I have read or heard somewhere that we can cut ties with Cassel after the 2nd year and not be in terrible shape with regards to his contract. Just as well get the QB in the draft and let Cassel play behind the new O-line while they gel. Then move in the new QB.

[DeezNutz]

I don't know why everyone is lobbying for the Chiefs to finish out at the bottom of the league. The only thing that would be more depressing, as a Chiefs fan, than seeing them finish out at the bottom will be seeing how they squander a choice pick with a boneheaded decision in who to draft.

Exactly.

Under this regime, there's nothing to be gained from a loss.

[Coogs]

He of the 20 INT and 61.0 QB rating?

If that is what his numbers are, then yes that is the guy. You get that type of guy when you can... then build around him. Clausen very well could be that type of guy.

[Sure-Oz]

Jerome Harrison will look like the next priest holmes

[jidar]

Every fucking year we see these threads... EVERY YEAR

Hell we got these threads when we were fighting to get a playoff spot (years ago!) "We wont win the SB anyway so I hope we lose to get draft picks! dur dur dur".

You can take this thread and shove it up your swollen asshole.

[Sure-Oz]

Exactly.

Under this regime, there's nothing to be gained from a loss.

If we can just get 22 tyson jacksons, i think we have 19

[Coogs]

Every fucking year we see these threads... EVERY YEAR

Hell we got these threads when we were fighting to get a playoff spot (years ago!) "We wont win the SB anyway so I hope we lose to get draft picks! dur dur dur".

You can take this thread and shove it up your swollen asshole.

If you go back and look, right after the Steelers win, I was all for getting as many wins as possible. I'm all for creating a winning atmosphere, and making it attractive for FA's to want to come to KC. I am also for building this thing for the long haul. And for me, that starts at the QB spot. We have to be in front of Cleveland and Washington for that to happen.

[Mr. Laz]

A little creeped that those people don't have faces.man I hate pork rinds
chicks are never satisfied

[OnTheWarpath15]

And FWIW, last year I wanted to trade our #3 and our 2nd round pick to move up to get Stafford. And maybe this is just my opinion, but...

Stafford > Jackson + Cassel + Vrabel

He of the 20 INT and 61.0 QB rating?

If that is what his numbers are, then yes that is the guy. You get that type of guy when you can... then build around him. Clausen very well could be that type of guy.

Yeah, Coogs, it would suck to have a 21 year old rookie with upside making rookie mistakes.

Instead, we have a 27 year old, 5th year veteran making rookie mistakes.

You know, Matt Cassel. He of the 17 INT and 65.0 QB rating.

[Coogs]

Yeah, Coogs, it would suck to have a 21 year old rookie with upside making rookie mistakes.

Instead, we have a 27 year old, 5th year veteran making rookie mistakes.

You know, Matt Cassel. He of the 17 INT and 65.0 QB rating.

Exactly! If we would have done this last season... and fixed the line... we wouldn't have to be doing it again this time around. Get the QB when you can. If he isn't worth a damn, then get another one. It took San Diego a few tries... and they even botched that a little bit, but look where they are now. What if they would have quit trying after Leaf?

[DeezNutz]

If we can just get 22 tyson jacksons, i think we have 19

Ross Gload is available.

[DeezNutz]

Exactly! If we would have done this last season... and fixed the line... we wouldn't have to be doing it again this time around. Get the QB when you can. If he isn't worth a damn, then get another one. It took San Diego a few tries... and they even botched that a little bit, but look where they are now. What if they would have quit trying after Leaf?

Ryan Leaf set that franchise back 18 years.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm not yet at the point where I want the Chiefs to lose to effect change. I want them to win so they can show progress.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I want and expect nothing.

[Coogs]

Ryan Leaf set that franchise back 18 years.

We are on a pretty good streak of years ourselves. All of them without the franchise guy at the QB spot. Trent Green was a nice QB. But when the chips were on the table... didn't happen. Blame the defense if you want. They sucked big time for Green and company. Still when the game was on the line... especially the big games... Green had opportunities to lead us to greater things. Came up short.

[DeezNutz]

We are on a pretty good streak of years ourselves. All of them without the franchise guy at the QB spot. Trent Green was a nice QB. But when the chips were on the table... didn't happen. Blame the defense if you want. They sucked big time for Green and company. Still when the game was on the line... especially the big games... Green had opportunities to lead us to greater things. Came up short.

Like you said in your last post: draft, draft, draft until you hit on the QB.

It's the best recipe for acquiring a franchise player.

[Jilly]

chicks are never satisfied

whoa whoa whoa....I can be satisfied. I just don't like pork rinds or people without faces or Quarterbacks who suck.

[Reerun_KC]

I am going against the popular opinion of the board and rooting for the chiefs to beat down the brownies this weekend...

[rambleonthruthefog]

It will atleast keep our chances alive with a coin flip for the 3rd pick in the draft.

I just want to see us go down the drain and lose to the worst team in the league and maybe Pioli will clean house major.

your a fag! We have nothing to gain by losing. A couple spots in the first round is a gain of nothing. you can hit with the 3rd pick just as easily as you can hit with the 10th pick.

The players on this roster have something to gain by winning, as do the coaches. winning, even if its only a late season game against the browns that means next to nothing, is importants to the future of this franchise. If you can't see that, than you sir are a clueless f*cking dolt.

[Reerun_KC]

I'm not yet at the point where I want the Chiefs to lose to effect change. I want them to win so they can show progress.

Claythan, that is pure bullshit....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

your a fag! We have nothing to gain by losing. A couple spots in the first round is a gain of nothing. you can hit with the 3rd pick just as easily as you can hit with the 10th pick.

The players on this roster have something to gain by winning, as do the coaches. winning, even if its only a late season game against the browns that means next to nothing, is importants to the future of this franchise. If you can't see that, than you sir are a clueless f*cking dolt.

Well in that case; I hope we lose just to piss you off.

[Coogs]

The players on this roster have something to gain by winning, as do the coaches. winning, even if its only a late season game against the browns that means next to nothing, is importants to the future of this franchise. If you can't see that, than you sir are a clueless f*cking dolt.

Ah yes! When Herm came in, we picked up those two wins to close out the season against Oakland and Jax. Slipped into the playoffs against the Colts. Haven't looked back since! Late season wins are very important to the future. :shake:

[13and3]

Im sure glad we got rid of herm, things are looking a whole lot better this year. Benard Pollard sucked, Flowers sucks, Tamba sucks, Brandon Carr and Albert sucks, Jamal Charles sucks, anyone herm ever drafted sucks. Sure glad we brought in Haley and Pioli, those 2009 draft picks are really getting the job done, not to mention haley is a hell of a coach.

[Reerun_KC]

Im sure glad we got rid of herm, things are looking a whole lot better this year. Benard Pollard sucked, Flowers sucks, Tamba sucks, Brandon Carr and Albert sucks, Jamal Charles sucks, anyone herm ever drafted sucks. Sure glad we brought in Haley and Pioli, those 2009 draft picks are really getting the job done, not to mention haley is a hell of a coach.

Wow so much fail in this post... Where does one start?

[aturnis]

The last thing I want is to see the Chiefs pick in the top 5. Too hard to trade back, and there's really not much for them as far as value goes that early in the draft. It'd be a disaster as far as I'm concerned.

[Pablo]

No. You aren't the only one.

The Cleveland Browns hope the Chiefs lose as well.

[ClevelandBronco]

I'd like to see the Browns win. I doubt that draft order is going to save or bury the Chiefs a season or three from now.

The Browns have the worst offense in recent memory, but their defense can play a good game. The o/u on this game is only 36.5. If I were a bettor (and I never am), I'd still go with the under.

[Brock]

This is going to be like watching a couple of tards with flippers fight.

[luv]

Playing for draft position is stupid.

[Hammock Parties]

Tickets are available for five bucks. lmao

[Ralphy Boy]

Like you said in your last post: draft, draft, draft until you hit on the QB.

It's the best recipe for acquiring a franchise player.

So we draft a QB every year until we find the one that our screwed up coaching staff thinks is the next Peyton Manning?

For every Philip Rivers or Eli Manning's, there are twice as many Kyle Bowler's and Byron Leftwich's. If we'd have followed that recipe we could have moved up and drafted Joey Harrington or dropped down and got Patrick Ramsey and missed out all together on the immortal Ryan Sims.

My point: We can't draft and we can't coach up a player, so unless we are stuck with the #1 overall pick in the year that happens to feature the next Peyton Manning, we'd most likely screw up the pick or screw the player up once he gets here. Sadly, our best bet is adding a vet who has some proven success in the NFL like we did with Cassel. I know its not working out real well for us right now but we don't have the staff to do either well so this is as good as its going to get.

To a lesser extent I agree with your theory because getting that top tier QB is mostly dumb luck.

The fact is that most of the QB's drafted high ARE good enough to be a top 10 QB, with the right coaching. Jamarcus Russell is obviously Ryan Leaf revisited.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This is going to be like watching a couple of tards with flippers fight.

In a pool of oatmeal.

[Mr. Laz]

Like you said in your last post: draft, draft, draft until you hit on the QB.

It's the best recipe for acquiring a franchise player.
but you can't draft,draft,draft QB's in the top 5 of the draft.

it cost too dam much to sign them


but i agree with the premise of drafting a QB until you find a great one.

[RJ]

It's probably been said but....

WGAF?

The team is horrible, there are no guarantees in the draft, and I feel like I'm living the 80's all over again......but just the Chiefs part, not the clothes and the music.

[Coogs]

but you can't draft,draft,draft QB's in the top 5 of the draft.

it cost too dam much to sign them


but i agree with the premise of drafting a QB until you find a great one.

It's not our money. It is going to cost a lot no matter who we draft. And we have plenty of cap space. Draft the QB.

[aturnis]

Tickets are available for five bucks. lmao

Where?

[rambleonthruthefog]

Ah yes! When Herm came in, we picked up those two wins to close out the season against Oakland and Jax. Slipped into the playoffs against the Colts. Haven't looked back since! Late season wins are very important to the future. :shake:

ya got me there. i suppose a win or two this season is irrelevant to the future. that doesn't make the win unimportant. and winning the game is certainly more important than losing...........to the browns................for a couple of draft positions.

[Mr. Laz]

It's not our money. It is going to cost a lot no matter who we draft. And we have plenty of cap space. Draft the QB.
this year ... no problem

but you can't just keep doing it or you will screw your cap big time

[lostcause]

Continuing to try to build a winning culture > spot in draft to overpay for equal or lesser talent

[King_Chief_Fan]

my opinion: only a loser would want to lose

[patteeu]

It will atleast keep our chances alive with a coin flip for the 3rd pick in the draft.

I just want to see us go down the drain and lose to the worst team in the league and maybe Pioli will clean house major.

He cleaned house last off-season and Herm Edwards cleaned it the year before. This year I want to see him buying new furniture/fixtures and maybe putting on new siding to finish off the renovation.

No, I don't want to see the Chiefs lose to the Browns. And I'd like to see them win their last two road games (or at the very least show that they're competitive) as well. I can't think of any good reason why the third pick in the draft would be worth the cost of losing out.

[Coogs]

this year ... no problem

but you can't just keep doing it or you will screw your cap big time

:thumb: Fully understand. And I would still take the QB even though 63 Million went Cassels direction. One reason is that I heard there was an out after Cassels 2nd year. One year for Clausen to grow, then move him in to the line-up.

[Param]

my opinion: only a loser would want to lose

Agree. I don't know how you can sit there as a fan and root for the team to lose because of some draft pick 5 months away.

[Chiefnj2]

I don't really care if they win or lose, but I'd love to see Cassel go 20 of 25 for 275 yards, 2 TDs and 0 Ints.

[Brock]

At this point in the season, I find it pretty hard to care whether they win or not. Especially since they show no signs of improvement at all.

[Demonpenz]

we drafted Tyson Jackson in the top 5? When there were playmakers on the board? That was stupid.

[Coogs]

my opinion: only a loser would want to lose

You can say I am a loser if you want. Hell, I may be. I have been a fan of the Royals (KC A's even) and Chiefs since I have been just a kid. And yes I saw the Chief win a Super Bowl. Even saw a lot of Chiefs games prior to winning that Super Bowl.

One time in my life, I would love to see the Chiefs draft a QB early and develop him into a Manning type player. I agree totally with Laz too. We need to get away from the top of the draft. But since we are here... now... I still want to see us get the best QB in the draft. Two years ago I wanted Ryan, and would have traded up to get him. Last year I wanted Stafford and would have traded up to get him. This year I am on the Clausen bandwagon as of the early part of December.

If a couple of losses put us in position to get him, then I am OK with that, because I really think we have to be in front of Cleveland and Washington for that to happen.

And this is the only guy I want at that #3 pick. Not Suh. Not Berry. Not Okung. Not anyone else. Otherwise win them all, and take our chances with whoever is available at that point.

Without a franchise QB we will not go to the Super Bowl anyway, so what is the difference from every other year I have been a Chiefs fan... which has been one hell of a long time.

[Coogs]

we drafted Tyson Jackson in the top 5? When there were playmakers on the board? That was stupid.

This

[Mr. Laz]

:thumb: Fully understand. And I would still take the QB even though 63 Million went Cassels direction. One reason is that I heard there was an out after Cassels 2nd year. One year for Clausen to grow, then move him in to the line-up.
yep ... the idea of taking Clausen or Locker in the 1st this year is growing on me.

[Coogs]

yep ... the idea of taking Clausen or Locker in the 1st this year is growing on me.

Locker is out. He is staying in college. It is down to Clausen for me.

[Jilly]

The last thing I want is to see the Chiefs pick in the top 5. Too hard to trade back, and there's really not much for them as far as value goes that early in the draft. It'd be a disaster as far as I'm concerned.

Unless we're drafting for a QB, other than that, we aren't looking for first round picks anyways, are we? And as I stated, I seriously doubt a QB is what we're gonna look at anyways.

[Mr. Laz]

Locker is out. He is staying in college. It is down to Clausen for me.
i didn't hear that about locker ... that sucks.

[TEX]

I want the Chiefs to win as many gamaes as they can. Just because they finish with a worse record than teh Browns, does not mean they will draft the right guy. Not too keen on "The Great Egolie."

[Mr. Laz]

I want the Chiefs to win as many gamaes as they can. Just because they finish with a worse record than teh Browns, does not mean they will draft the right guy. Not too keen on "The Great Egolie."
then you might as well just stop worrying about anything because if "Pioli" sucks then the chiefs will suck ........ period.


Pioli = Chiefs

[Coogs]

then you might as well just stop worry about anything because if "Pioli" sucks then the chiefs will suck ........ period.


Pioli = Chiefs

Yep!

[Jilly]

I don't think Pioli sucks. I don't even think Haley sucks (except that he's a choker). They show improvements, just not all in the same game, unfortunately. One week I think the d looks pretty great, the next they suck but our passing game seems to have improved...from week to week it's like we're looking at a different team. I'm hoping that at some point they will ALL get their shit together ALL at the same time and we might be pleasantly surprised. Of course, I'm an idealist and a dreamer.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I don't think Pioli sucks. I don't even think Haley sucks (except that he's a choker). They show improvements, just not all in the same game, unfortunately. One week I think the d looks pretty great, the next they suck but our passing game seems to have improved...from week to week it's like we're looking at a different team. I'm hoping that at some point they will ALL get their shit together ALL at the same time and we might be pleasantly surprised. Of course, I'm an idealist and a dreamer.

Allow me to help you and others identify the prime cause of our current( and probably future )woes, in an easy to take, multiple choice quiz:

"The straight-up, by the book "Patriot Way" has been successful for which of the following franchises only":

a) New England

b) New England

c) New England

d) New England in the hizzle, yo'!

Second question:

"There are currently two franchises featuring successful, post-Belichick personnel who have used paper copies of "The Patriot Way" to wipe their asses with, and decided instead to focus on other, time-proven methods for team building because they knew that the "Patriot Way" wasn't going to fly without Bill, Scott, and Tom". "Select those franchises".
Is it:

a) Denver and Atlanta

b) Atlanta and Denver

c) Denver AND Atlanta

d) All of the above

[Jilly]

Allow me to help you and others identify the prime cause of our current( and probably future )woes, in an easy to take, multiple choice quiz:

"The straight-up, by the book "Patriot Way" has been successful for which of the following franchises only":

a) New England

b) New England

c) New England

d) New England in the hizzle, yo'!

Second question:

"There are currently two franchises featuring successful, post-Belichick personnel who have used paper copies of "The Patriot Way" to wipe their asses with, and decided instead to focus on other, time-proven methods for team building because they knew that the "Patriot Way" wasn't going to fly without Bill, Scott, and Tom". "Select those franchises".
Is it:

a) Denver and Atlanta

b) Atlanta and Denver

c) Denver AND Atlanta

d) All of the above


I'm not ready to write anyone off after one season.

[beach tribe]

I'm not ready to write anyone off after one season.

That's because you are not completely irrational.

[Baby Lee]

I just want more of those wacky blockbuster plays, maybe the new Garo Yepremian botched field goal botched pass attempt, maybe the new 'QB tries to kick the ball OOB sideways and trips himself,' maybe something even wackier and funnier, hopefully there'll be circus music, slide whistles and raspberry sound effects too.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I'm not ready to write anyone off after one season.

That's because you are not completely irrational.

F-

Retake on Wednesday.

[Jilly]

F-

Retake on Wednesday.

did you just grade me? :crybaby: I've never gotten anything lower than a B-

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

did you just grade me? :crybaby: I've never gotten anything lower than a B-

Detention for back talk and crying; there's no crying in Football.

[Jilly]

Detention for back talk and crying; there's no crying in Football.

Dick Vermeil says you're wrong.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Dick Vermeil says you're wrong.

LMAO :clap: Tim Tebow too! Rep.