****Official California @ KU Thread****

[doomy3]

Game tips off at 8:00 on ESPN2. Hopefully Cole can get going tonight, and we can execute better than we did against Michigan.

Let's go Hawks!

[Pablo]

ROCK CHALK MOTHERFUCKERS.

[doomy3]

Also, Texas and Michigan State are on right now on ESPN2, and it's a hell of a game. 39-38 MSU with 18:30 left in the second half

[Pablo]

Also, Texas and Michigan State are on right now on ESPN2, and it's a hell of a game. 39-38 MSU with 18:30 left in the second halfTroof. Texas is a scary ass team.

[Mr. Laz]

Self/KU better get their shite together or Texas is gonna kick dat ass.

[Buehler445]

Troof. Texas is a scary ass team.

If they play like they are tonight, KU probably cannot win. Although they do take an assload of dumbass shots.

In other news, there is still FIVE FUCKING MINUTES IN THE FUCKING GAME :cuss:

[Buehler445]

Stick a fork in State.

[Mr. Laz]

our soft ass schedule did not help at all

[KCChiefsMan]

fuck this texas game, I don't want to watch the last 40 seconds of fouls for the next 20 minutes!!!!!!

give me my Jayhawks damnit

[Mr. Laz]

Markief!!!!!

[not kitten_mittons]

lol, KU is losing. Funny stuff.

[CoMoChief]

Walk..............that was bullshit

[CoMoChief]

lol, KU is losing. Funny stuff.

whats even more funny that theyre gonna be winning in about 10min or less.

[Skip Towne]

Hey, Cal is black and gold. Just pretend they're Mizzou and stomp their ass.

[not kitten_mittons]

Cal is blue and gold, retard, and of course KU will win they are playing another bum team, just like all freaking year. It'll be funny when they play a decent team and they don't know what to do.

[Mr. Laz]

KU looks flat

about the first thing i notice when we are flat is when our guys are standing around while rebounds just bounce all over the place.

[Bearcat]

Wow, Texas is impressive... 100+ on UNC and then beating up MSU (I only saw the last ~10 minutes).

our soft ass schedule did not help at all

Yeah, it looked fairly impressive before the season... after Cal, they still go to Knoxville. Eh, a couple of years ago they lost @KSU and @Texas, and those are shaping up to be the two big conference road games this year.

[Saulbadguy]

Texas just beat the team that sent you guys packing last year...kind of makes things a tad bit more interesting.

[Mr. Laz]

morris so tired he couldn't he try for the rebound on that 2nd Reed 3 attempt.

:cuss:

[not kitten_mittons]

whats even more funny that theyre gonna be winning in about 10min or less.

It's been 10 minutes. Ms. Cleo over here is a fraud.

[|Zach|]

KU will win convincingly.

[not kitten_mittons]

KU will win convincingly.

The thing that makes KU not deserve no. 1 is the fact that you had to state this. If texas was playing Cal, they would be up by 15 right now and we would all know that.

[Saul Good]

Cal is blue and gold, retard, and of course KU will win they are playing another bum team, just like all freaking year. It'll be funny when they play a decent team and they don't know what to do.

Skip's so old his vision is in black and white.

[Brock]

Pretty loose with the ball there, fellas.

[|Zach|]

The thing that makes KU not deserve no. 1 is the fact that you had to state this. If texas was playing Cal, they would be up by 15 right now and we would all know that.

Hey, I dislike KU as much as the next guy but I think they need to be beat to have #1 taken away from them. I doubt Texas is up on them by 15 with 9 mins left in the first half.

[Brock]

The thing that makes KU not deserve no. 1 is the fact that you had to state this. If texas was playing Cal, they would be up by 15 right now and we would all know that.

You are a shitty poster. I mean really lousy. FYI

[Reerun_KC]

Sloppy..

Coach Self will blow a gasket before long...

[Reerun_KC]

The thing that makes KU not deserve no. 1 is the fact that you had to state this. If texas was playing Cal, they would be up by 15 right now and we would all know that.

Bringing weak sauce to the bbq again..

[|Zach|]

Bringing weak sauce to the bbq again..

So you typed that out and decided to press submit.

[not kitten_mittons]

You are a shitty poster. I mean really lousy. FYI

Seriously? Omg, I'm going to quit bbsing. . .I'm so bad. . .oh wait. I don't give a fuck what you say, because you are a retard.

[Mr. Laz]

So you typed that out and decided to press submit.
you you decided to set your timer so you could get off your ass just to log in for another KU thread?

[|Zach|]

you you decided to set your timer so you could get off your ass just to log in for another KU thread?

Yea, thanks for letting me live under your skin.

Sincerely, You You

[RealSNR]

Fuck you all. Fuck everyone. Fuck Texas. Fuck Mizzou. Fuck the Jayhawks. Make me a roast beef sandwich!

[Mr. Laz]

morris twins reverting to dumb shit play

[|Zach|]

**** you all. **** everyone. **** Texas. **** Mizzou. **** the Jayhawks. Make me a roast beef sandwich!

Yum.

[Skip Towne]

It's been 10 minutes. Ms. Cleo over here is a fraud.

Who is the coward hiding behind this dupe?

[Mr. Laz]

Yea, thanks for letting me live under your skin.

Sincerely, You You
actually you don't live under my skin at all, it's just so pathetic that it's mind boggling.

[Braincase]

**** you all. **** everyone. **** Texas. **** Mizzou. **** the Jayhawks. Make me a roast beef sandwich!

Make your own damned sandwich. I'm watching the game.

[not kitten_mittons]

Hey, I dislike KU as much as the next guy but I think they need to be beat to have #1 taken away from them. I doubt Texas is up on them by 15 with 9 mins left in the first half.

I would agree with you if they did something to deserve being #1. Just having people guess prior to the season that they would be the best team doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the #1 ranking.

[|Zach|]

actually you don't live under my skin at all, it's just so pathetic that it's mind boggling.

Sure, thats why you rant about it all the time. And it is so pathetic you were gloating about doing the same thing just a few weeks ago...

lol, poor Laz...

Forever the angry one.

[|Zach|]

I would agree with you if they did something to deserve being #1. Just having people guess prior to the season that they would be the best team doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the #1 ranking.

This post is stupid.

[Brock]

I would agree with you if they did something to deserve being #1. Just having people guess prior to the season that they would be the best team doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the #1 ranking.

Have you ever said what your team is?

[|Zach|]

Have you ever said what your team is?

*Dont say Mizzou* *Dont say Mizzou*

/hoping

[Brock]

*Dont say Mizzou* *Dont say Mizzou*

/hoping

I'm guessing K State from the ghey user name.

[not kitten_mittons]

morris twins reverting to dumb shit play

Well, they are undisputedly the dumbest players in all of NCAA athletics.

[Bearcat]

I would agree with you if they did something to deserve being #1. Just having people guess prior to the season that they would be the best team doesn't mean they have exclusive rights to the #1 ranking.

There are about 7 teams who deserve to be #1 at this point, because they've won all of their games... so who cares which one is #1 and which one is #7 at this point?

Hell, Texas and Kansas aren't even playing for the same thing in the end... one is playing for St. Louis and the other is playing for Houston.


Oh wait, I mean FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU :cuss:

:rolleyes:

[not kitten_mittons]

This post is stupid.

If Texas, Kentucky, and KU were unranked in the pre-season polls, who do you think would have the higest ranking right now?

[Mr. Laz]

Well, they are undisputedly the dumbest players in all of NCAA athletics.
bye

[Brock]

If Texas, Kentucky, and KU were unranked in the pre-season polls, who do you think would have the higest ranking right now?

Who. Gives. A. Shit.

[not kitten_mittons]

I'm guessing K State from the ghey user name.

The fact that you don't know what kitten_mittons are makes you an idiot.

[Mr. Laz]

I'm guessing K State from the ghey user name.
Has kstater (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=8710) written all over it.

[not kitten_mittons]

bye

So they had to go to Apex Academy because they are both brilliant?

[Brock]

The fact that you don't know what kitten_mittons are makes you an idiot.

Yeah, I don't waste my life on pop culture bullshit, big win for you.

[not kitten_mittons]

Yeah, I don't waste my life on pop culture bullshit, big win for you.

Yet you have 22thousand posts on a single message board, big LOSS for you.

[Mr. Laz]

Aldrich still struggling

[Saulbadguy]

Dave Armstrong needs his clock cleaned.

[Saulbadguy]

Good analysis, general.

[Mr. Laz]

Good analysis, general.
i particularly like when he said "KU will really be trying to get 2 here"


:doh!:

[Brock]

Yet you have 22thousand posts on a single message board, big LOSS for you.

We can always tell when the junior high schools are out for the holidays.

[|Zach|]

There are about 7 teams who deserve to be #1 at this point, because they've won all of their games... so who cares which one is #1 and which one is #7 at this point?

Hell, Texas and Kansas aren't even playing for the same thing in the end... one is playing for St. Louis and the other is playing for Houston.


Oh wait, I mean FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU :cuss:

:rolleyes:

Hell yes.

Missouri State just made a shot to send the game to OT against Arkansas they are trying to go 11-0

[not kitten_mittons]

We can always tell when the junior high schools are out for the holidays.

Because junior high schoolers can't post at 9pm. . .god you're an idiot.

[Brock]

Because junior high schoolers can't post at 9pm. . .god you're an idiot.

Sure they can, such as in your case, when Mom is out shagging nickels at the Waffle House because that's when the big spenders come in.

Bye, kiddo.

[Mr. Laz]

lack of focus and energy

hopefully that means we got the bad half over with and now can pull it together.

[Silock]

Morningstar might bring a lot defensively, but he's been pathetic on offense tonight.

Our whole team's defense has sucked tonight, though. Doesn't help that Cal is hitting everything they put up, though.

[Braincase]

And here I thought I could go an evening without adding some other dipshit to my iggy list. Guess I was wrong.

[not kitten_mittons]

Sure they can, such as in your case, when Mom is out shagging nickels at the Waffle House because that's when the big spenders come in.

Bye, kiddo.

So then me posting has nothing to do with junior high being out for the holidays, you admit. WTF does shagging nickels mean?

[Mr. Laz]

Morningstar might bring a lot defensively, but he's been pathetic on offense tonight.

Our whole team's defense has sucked tonight, though. Doesn't help that Cal is hitting everything they put up, though.
nah ... morningstar is clearly shaking off the rust.

he's not into the game yet on either end



has withey played at all this year yet?

[Buehler445]

Good jesus they are playing like balls. You know they're going to shoot three's, how about you CLOSE THE FUCK OUT!?

KU needs to get some focus and really improve their consistency.

[Buehler445]

nah ... morningstar is clearly shaking off the rust.

he's not into the game yet on either end



has withey played at all yet?

I haven't seen him yet. Can he redshirt?

[DJay23]

KU looks like dookie trying to force the ball inside to a doubled Aldrich.

Cal can't seem to miss a jumper.

[Silock]

He needs to shake it off more quickly.

[Mr. Laz]

I haven't seen him yet. Can he redshirt?
i'm wondering if that's why he hasn't played yet.

[Silock]

KU looks like dookie trying to force the ball inside to a doubled Aldrich.

Cal can't seem to miss a jumper.

Yeah, I don't get it. If he's doubled, someone else is OPEN. WTF? FIND THEM.

[doomy3]

Fuck, let's have a better second half. I hope Self got into them at halftime.

[Silock]

Doesn't look like it so far.

We're going to be extremely lucky if we win this game. We're playing like absolute dogshit.

We don't deserve the #1 ranking.

[Silock]

Nice D and break!

[Goldmember]

Doesn't look like it so far.

We're going to be extremely lucky if we win this game. We're playing like absolute dogshit.

We don't deserve the #1 ranking.

It's better not to be #1 at this time of year. You get everybody's best game. Let Texas have it.

[DJay23]

team has no energy it seems. I know a couple guys are under the weather, but fuck, they need to be bouncing around on D and actually looking like they are interested in scoring the ball.

[DJay23]

It's better not to be #1 at this time of year. You get everybody's best game. Let Texas have it.

Texas should have it after watching them tonight.

[Silock]

There are hints that we might be looking to step up the intensity... and then we just go back to playing like shit.

[Bearcat]

Doesn't look like it so far.

We're going to be extremely lucky if we win this game. We're playing like absolute dogshit.

We don't deserve the #1 ranking.

Tonight's as good of a night as any to have the whole "we don't deserve to be #1"... "it'll be a wake up call" ... "it's a learning experience" discussion. Neither look all that good though, so it'll probably come down to making a few free throws on Kansas' end or a couple 3 pointers on Cal's end.

[Buehler445]

Got a few good series strung together now. Let's go ahead an put it away.

[Silock]

I'm going to keep posting the negative nancy comments, because every time I do, they prove me wrong.

[DJay23]

There are hints that we might be looking to step up the intensity... and then we just go back to playing like shit.

I could listen to Bob Knight talk about basketball all night long. He was dead on with this when he said COllins is taking his time dribbling the ball around, he's giving Cal a chance to rest. He said within the first 5 minutes of the game that Cal couldn't keep up the pace they were playing at.

I hope he's right.

I appreciate what we are trying to do on offense, and that it takes a little time for it to develop, but we also need to put the pedal down when there's a chance, and I don't see it in this team.

[Mr. Laz]

every year we don't start playing for real until we lose one ... it's like a Self tradition.

[Buehler445]

Tonight's as good of a night as any to have the whole "we don't deserve to be #1"... "it'll be a wake up call" ... "it's a learning experience" discussion. Neither look all that good though, so it'll probably come down to making a few free throws on Kansas' end or a couple 3 pointers on Cal's end.

We haven't looked like #1 if you look past the epic beatdowns we put on the small guys. There should have been some "wakeups" after Memphis, LeSalle, etc.

I couldn't give two fucks less if they stay #1, but if they are going to put together a run in the tourney, they're going to have to play much more consistently. It is incredibly frustrating, they will look like complete shit for 5 posessions and then be completely untouchable.

[Silock]

This is painful to watch. It's painful because we're so fucking inconsistent. Drives me crazy.

[Buehler445]

I could listen to Bob Knight talk about basketball all night long. He was dead on with this when he said COllins is taking his time dribbling the ball around, he's giving Cal a chance to rest. He said within the first 5 minutes of the game that Cal couldn't keep up the pace they were playing at.

I hope he's right.

I appreciate what we are trying to do on offense, and that it takes a little time for it to develop, but we also need to put the pedal down when there's a chance, and I don't see it in this team.

I really like coach Knight. About the only TV guys I like to listen to are Knight and Bilas. Unless Bilas is doing a Duke game. Those two guys are the only two that add ANYTHING to the broadcast at all. IMO, if you can't add anything, just call the game. Don't just blather on and on and on.

[Braincase]

every year we don't start playing for real until we lose one ... it's like a Self tradition.

SOmetimes I'd prefer to get the loss out of the way. Let somebody else wear the damned bullseye on their back for awhile.

[Buehler445]

This is painful to watch. It's painful because we're so fucking inconsistent. Drives me crazy.

Repost :D

[Mr. Laz]

It's better not to be #1 at this time of year. You get everybody's best game. Let Texas have it.
with the crappy teams we've been playing get their "best game" shouldn't make a dam bit of difference.

[Mr. Laz]

SOmetimes I'd prefer to get the loss out of the way. Let somebody else wear the damned bullseye on their back for awhile.
handling the pressure of the bullseye should be great training for winning a national championship as a favorite.


apparently not :(

[DJay23]

I agree with getting a loss out of the way, especially in Non-con. I'd prefer it be on the road though, but a home loss would really wake some guys up.

[Bearcat]

I could listen to Bob Knight talk about basketball all night long. He was dead on with this when he said COllins is taking his time dribbling the ball around, he's giving Cal a chance to rest. He said within the first 5 minutes of the game that Cal couldn't keep up the pace they were playing at.

I hope he's right.

I appreciate what we are trying to do on offense, and that it takes a little time for it to develop, but we also need to put the pedal down when there's a chance, and I don't see it in this team.

Yeah, he's about the best thing that's happened to ESPN in the past few years.

We haven't looked like #1 if you look past the epic beatdowns we put on the small guys. There should have been some "wakeups" after Memphis, LeSalle, etc.

I couldn't give two ****s less if they stay #1, but if they are going to put together a run in the tourney, they're going to have to play much more consistently. It is incredibly frustrating, they will look like complete shit for 5 posessions and then be completely untouchable.

The past two games is about all I've seen as far as decent competition.... and the biggest thing I've gotten from it is that Self has to be pissed about the defense, because there have been some huge lapses is both games.

It's only December though, so none of it really matters. Hell, two years ago we were on the verge of the Apocalypse when we lost 3 of 6 or whatever it was.... I know what you mean though. Texas is the real #1 right now, which is why I'm glad that game isn't until February... and I'm glad we play them on the road for the experience, and hopefully a 2nd time in the B12 tourney.

[Silock]

COME ON! LET'S FUCKING DO THIS! PUT IT AWAY.

[Saul Good]

14 fouls in 11 minutes this half. It sure is exciting watching the refs blow their whistles nonstop.

[Bearcat]

I really like coach Knight. About the only TV guys I like to listen to are Knight and Bilas. Unless Bilas is doing a Duke game. Those two guys are the only two that add ANYTHING to the broadcast at all. IMO, if you can't add anything, just call the game. Don't just blather on and on and on.

I've always been a little bitter about Bilas, because of the KU/SIU game a few years ago....

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3857020#post3857020

I don't think I've ever had this feeling before, because my teams always lose these games.... I'm never on this side of it, where it's a calm relief because of a brutal game with high expectations. Sure, my teams have had close wins, but nothing this close to "surviving to play another day". It's weird.


On a completely different note, now that I'm listening to him again.... F*** YOU Jay Bilas!! I never had a problem with him before, but he was insanely annoying..... I had gotten tired of Packer during the last round, but I'd gladly take him back now. He might as well have been bouncing up and down in the lane with a big "CHOKE" sign during our free throws. Well, it probably couldn't have made our free throw shooting any worse, but that's not the point.

[Reerun_KC]

Nice!

Have to make the FT's

[GoHuge]

It's better not to be #1 at this time of year. You get everybody's best game. Let Texas have it.
You think people aren't going to give KU their A game if they're ranked #2 or 3? If you can't get up to play KU in basketball you can't get up.
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[Saul Good]

Make that 16 fouls in 11:14

[Silock]

17...

[Buehler445]

The past two games is about all I've seen as far as decent competition.... and the biggest thing I've gotten from it is that Self has to be pissed about the defense, because there have been some huge lapses is both games.

It's only December though, so none of it really matters. Hell, two years ago we were on the verge of the Apocalypse when we lost 3 of 6 or whatever it was.... I know what you mean though. Texas is the real #1 right now, which is why I'm glad that game isn't until February... and I'm glad we play them on the road for the experience, and hopefully a 2nd time in the B12 tourney.

UCLA and Memphis definitely played us well also.

If we play UT tomorrow, we lose, IMO. I think if we progress like we have in past years, it will be about a toss up. If I'm gameplanning for UT, I throw the ball to Cole every possession until Pittman gets in foul trouble. Then you have to leave someone back on offense so they don't run on you. Maybe even get a little bit of press on them. UNC pressed them some and they didn't handle the pressure well.

Hopefully if we lose at Austin we can get one against them in the B12 tourney. I'd like to at least know we can beat them. They are motherfucking scary, but they make some bad decisions.

[Silock]

We make some really, REALLY bad decisions, too.

WTF was that Markieff?

[Saul Good]

UCLA and Memphis definitely played us well also.

If we play UT tomorrow, we lose, IMO. I think if we progress like we have in past years, it will be about a toss up. If I'm gameplanning for UT, I throw the ball to Cole every possession until Pittman gets in foul trouble. Then you have to leave someone back on offense so they don't run on you. Maybe even get a little bit of press on them. UNC pressed them some and they didn't handle the pressure well.

Hopefully if we lose at Austin we can get one against them in the B12 tourney. I'd like to at least know we can beat them. They are mother****ing scary, but they make some bad decisions.

I don't know how many bad decisions they made, but they scored 103.

[Bearcat]

Kansas might not win this game, but Cal is doing all they can to lose it... maybe they're used to throwing sh*t up like that and draining it, but damn.

Or, maybe KU will do their part, too. :)

[DJay23]

Now THAT is a kill shot.

[Silock]

Finally.

BTW, remember how much we all hated the Morris twins last year? My GOD have they improved.

[Buehler445]

We make some really, REALLY bad decisions, too.

WTF was that Markieff?

Tyshawn has been playing a lot smarter lately. That's 2 good feeds on consecutive possessions.

[KCChiefsMan]

HELL YEAAAAHH!!!!!!


I bet it's fun being in Allen Field House right now

[DJay23]

Kansas might not win this game, but Cal is doing all they can to lose it... maybe they're used to throwing sh*t up like that and draining it, but damn.

Or, maybe KU will do their part, too. :)

They actually have made a bunch of really tough shots. Deep 3's, step back J's, floaters...

[Braincase]

...but I'm much better now.

[Saul Good]

Kansas might not win this game, but Cal is doing all they can to lose it... maybe they're used to throwing sh*t up like that and draining it, but damn.

Or, maybe KU will do their part, too. :)

They hit those for the first 20 minutes.

Cal scores on a set play after every TO BTW.

[DJay23]

Just like that they can cut it to 7.

Holy inconsistency.

[Bearcat]

They actually have made a bunch of really tough shots. Deep 3's, step back J's, floaters...

Yeah, I know... the last few have been really ugly though.

Live and die, I guess.

[Buehler445]

I don't know how many bad decisions they made, but they scored 103.

They took a bunch of dumb shots, it's just that they got to take 1289347239856393982 shots, because UNC was sleeping.

They put up a bunch of other dumb shots today also. About 1/3 of Pittman's fouls are dumb (even though he got fucking hosed on one tonight). With some of their dumb shots tonight, they had a bunch of transition 3's (they're dumb because there was nobody to board the shots) just went in.

UT is playing well enough right now to overcome the dumb stuff. Even though they kept the dumb stuff to a relative minimum tonight, they had some cushion against an elite team. Plus they shot like shit from the freethrow line. If they make a reasonable amount of freethrows, they have more cushion to overcome their dumb plays. UT is good.

[Buehler445]

Finally.

BTW, remember how much we all hated the Morris twins last year? My GOD have they improved.

Yes, they have. I thought maybe they suffered from a case of the stupids. And we all know you can't fix stupid. I fully expected to have to give up on them. I am pleased with the progress. Very pleased.

[KCChiefsMan]

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK

KU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



but, I wouldn't be upset if we drop to #2. Texas just beat NC and Mich St back to back. If we do drop I won't be upset, you could argue that they deserve it more. As much as I love my Jayhawks holding that #1 spot, they probably deserve it more as of right now.

[Buehler445]

Rock Chalk survives. Cal just couldn't continue their pace/style of play.

Overall, though, piss poor outing by KU. After watching UT tonight, we have a long way to go...

[Buehler445]

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK

KU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



but, I wouldn't be upset if we drop to #2. Texas just beat NC and Mich St back to back. If we do drop I won't be upset, you could argue that they deserve it more. As much as I love my Jayhawks holding that #1 spot, they probably deserve it more as of right now.

I really don't care about ranking, I care quite a bit more about the seeding we get in the tourney, but I REALLY care how we're playing going into the tourney.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

**Yawn**

Another day another win

[KC_Connection]

Tyshawn Taylor and Sherron Collins had their best games this year, and practically won this one for them.

Oh, and I disagree with you that KU played poorly. In the 1st half, sure, but the 2nd half was the best they've played all year, and most of it was without their best player Aldrich.

California is a very good team (ranked 10th in the Pomeroy rankings, Texas' opponent Mich St. was ranked 26th for comparison)...so this could prove to be one of the more impressive wins all year.

I still have full confidence that KU could beat any team in the NCAA on a neutral court.

[DJay23]

Rock Chalk survives. Cal just couldn't continue their pace/style of play.

Overall, though, piss poor outing by KU. After watching UT tonight, we have a long way to go...

Chalk this win up to depth for sure.

I think KU will be ok. We looked like garbage at this time last year. Remember UMass? That loss to Syracuse where we lead the whole game? Self always has them ready for conference.

Self has won/tied for conference 9 of his last 11 years and the other 2 years his teams finished second. He knows how to get a team going at the right time.

[KC_Connection]

KU dominated this game statistically if you look at the box score. It was kept close through California's threes (they are 42% out there, the best in the nation) and KU turnovers.

[ArrowheadHawk]

First half was a little closer than I would like but KU played a nice game. That 3 late by Collins was nasty.

[Bearcat]

LOL at the question to Self: Are you happy right now with where the team is at, or is it a work in progress?

Uh, Bill Self is never satisfied. Ever. Kansas Jayhawks basketball sucks.

It sucks.

We have a long way to go.

We suck.

:)

[KCChiefsMan]

Tyshawn Taylor and Sherron Collins had their best games this year, and practically won this one for them.

Oh, and I disagree with you that KU played poorly. In the 1st half, sure, but the 2nd half was the best they've played all year, and most of it was without their best player Aldrich.

California is a very good team (ranked 10th in the Pomeroy rankings, Texas' opponent Mich St. was ranked 26th for comparison)...so this could prove to be one of the more impressive wins all year.

I still have full confidence that KU could beat any team in the NCAA on a neutral court.


we didn't play poorly. Cal shot well and they were playing us very hard. We are going to get that as long as we have that #1 target on our backs. That's ok though, it can only make us better and we are already pretty damn good :evil:

[ArrowheadHawk]

LOL at the question to Self: Are you happy right now with where the team is at, or is it a work in progress?

Uh, Bill Self is never satisfied. Ever. Kansas Jayhawks basketball sucks.

It sucks.

We have a long way to go.

We suck.

:)

He is pretty good about not letting the team get a big head.

[doomy3]

Nice second half. Now let's see if we can put a whole game together where we play with that kind of urgency.

[ArrowheadHawk]

we didn't play poorly. Cal shot well and they were playing us very hard. We are going to get that as long as we have that KANSAS on our fronts. That's ok though, it can only make us better and we are already pretty damn good :evil:
FYP.

[Bearcat]

Tyshawn Taylor and Sherron Collins had their best games this year, and practically won this one for them.

Oh, and I disagree with you that KU played poorly. In the 1st half, sure, but the 2nd half was the best they've played all year, and most of it was without their best player Aldrich.

California is a very good team (ranked 10th in the Pomeroy rankings, Texas' opponent Mich St. was ranked 26th for comparison)...so this could prove to be one of the more impressive wins all year.

I still have full confidence that KU could beat any team in the NCAA on a neutral court.

Eh, Cal didn't play very well in the 2nd half, either... especially the last 10 minutes. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things though.... I have all the faith in the world in Self.

[teedubya]

NIce win... but Texas looks more dominant... and should be #1... let them have it for awhile.

[KC_Connection]

Eh, Cal didn't play very well in the 2nd half, either... especially the last 10 minutes. It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things though.... I have all the faith in the world in Self.
When you are a jump shooting team like Cal, you live and die with the jump shot. They died with it in the 2nd half...it was only a matter of time.

[ArrowheadHawk]

NIce win... but Texas looks more dominant... and should be #1... let them have it for awhile.
Thank goodness we can't get hosed by the BCS.

[ArrowheadHawk]

When you are a jump shooting team like Cal, you live and die with the jump shot. They died with it in the 2nd half...it was only a matter of time.

I think fatigue played a huge part. They just didn't have the depth to keep up that energy.

[KC_Connection]

NIce win... but Texas looks more dominant... and should be #1... let them have it for awhile.

Once again, I disagree. KU has dominated their opposition all season and hasn't lost a game. Why do so many of you think Texas could beat this team? Their team of talented freshman wouldn't beat Collins and Aldrich.

[Tiger's Fan]

Tyshawn Taylor and Sherron Collins had their best games this year, and practically won this one for them.

Oh, and I disagree with you that KU played poorly. In the 1st half, sure, but the 2nd half was the best they've played all year, and most of it was without their best player Aldrich.

California is a very good team (ranked 10th in the Pomeroy rankings, Texas' opponent Mich St. was ranked 26th for comparison)...so this could prove to be one of the more impressive wins all year.

I still have full confidence that KU could beat any team in the NCAA on a neutral court.

Uh, Tyshawn Taylor is the worst on ball defender on the whole fucking team. That Christpher dude punked him out ALL night long. Brady came in and shut him down completely. He pulled a few good passes out of his ass late, but up to that point was nothing but a detriment to the team.

[KC_Connection]

I think fatigue played a huge part. They just didn't have the depth to keep up that energy.

Definitely a factor.

[KC_Connection]

Uh, Tyshawn Taylor is the worst on ball defender on the whole ****ing team. That Christpher dude punked him out ALL night long. Brady came in and shut him down completely. He pulled a few good passes out of his ass late, but up to that point was nothing but a detriment to the team.

Not sure which game you were watching, but it clearly wasn't the one the rest of us were. Taylor's defense and court vision won this game.

[Buehler445]

LOL at the question to Self: Are you happy right now with where the team is at, or is it a work in progress?

Uh, Bill Self is never satisfied. Ever. Kansas Jayhawks basketball sucks.

It sucks.

We have a long way to go.

We suck.

:)

Yeah, he hammers on them in every interview...throws out a "we did well at ..." and then hammers them some more.

we didn't play poorly. Cal shot well and they were playing us very hard. We are going to get that as long as we have that #1 target on our backs. That's ok though, it can only make us better and we are already pretty damn good :evil:

FYP.

ArrowheadHawk has it right. As long as we are KU, people are going to come after us. If we're ranked #15 overall, people are still going to come after us.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Not sure which game you were watching, but it clearly wasn't the one the rest of us were. Taylor's defense and court vision won this game.

I also thought that Taylor played well. I just wished Johnson didn't have to completely disappear for him to play well.

[KC_Connection]

Taylor had 7 assists and 1 turnover...probably his best ratio all year. Also shot well from the floor, and got 2 steals late to lead the team on its final run.

[Skip Towne]

Uh, Tyshawn Taylor is the worst on ball defender on the whole fucking team. That Christpher dude punked him out ALL night long. Brady came in and shut him down completely. He pulled a few good passes out of his ass late, but up to that point was nothing but a detriment to the team.

You're ignorant.

[Buehler445]

Uh, Tyshawn Taylor is the worst on ball defender on the whole fucking team. That Christpher dude punked him out ALL night long. Brady came in and shut him down completely. He pulled a few good passes out of his ass late, but up to that point was nothing but a detriment to the team.

:spock: WTF? He has been playing an aweful lot better of late.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Taylor had 7 assists and 1 turnover...probably his best ratio all year. Also shot well from the floor, and got 2 steals late to lead the team on its final run.

http://iplayalot.com/gifs/OhSnap.gif

[Tiger's Fan]

Not sure which game you were watching, but it clearly wasn't the one the rest of us were. Taylor's defense and court vision won this game.

If you have the ability, you need to rewatch this game.

[KC_Connection]

If you have the ability, you need to rewatch this game.
Learn basketball. You're only seeing what you want to see.

[Tiger's Fan]

Learn basketball. You're only seeing what you want to see.

Christopher shot over him unfettered all night. What pisses me off the most is that he doesn't even put his hands up to defend the jumper. Seriously, go rewatch.

[Bearcat]

The conversing Jayhawk avatars are cool...

[Tiger's Fan]

BTW, Morningstar came in and sparked the team to the lead that won the game, and shut down their best shooter while doing it.

[DJay23]

The conversing Jayhawk avatars are cool...

Heh, I noticed that too.

[KC_Connection]

Christopher shot over him unfettered all night. What pisses me off the most is that he doesn't even put his hands up to defend the jumper. Seriously, go rewatch.
#1. Taylor contested nearly every shot he took.
#1. Christopher made a lot of contested jump shots.
#2. In basketball, you are supposed to get people to take long 2's. It's the least efficient shot in basketball. His defense was fundamentally fine, Christopher is just a great shooter.

[Buehler445]

BTW, Morningstar came in and sparked the team to the lead that won the game, and shut down their best shooter while doing it.

I agree that Morningstar came in and played well. Which also surprised me. Was he allowed to practice during his suspension? If not, the fact that he shows relatively little rust is absolutely amazing.

[KC_Connection]

BTW, Morningstar came in and sparked the team to the lead that won the game, and shut down their best shooter while doing it.
He played fine and didn't make any mistakes in the 2nd half. But Morningstar isn't capable of "sparking" teams, nor did he do so tonight.

[KC_Connection]

And if I'm not mistaken, Taylor also covered Randle often today.

[Buehler445]

#1. Taylor contested nearly every shot he took.
#1. Christopher made a lot of contested jump shots.
#2. In basketball, you are supposed to get people to take long 2's. It's the least efficient shot in basketball. His defense was fundamentally fine, Christopher is just a great shooter.

While I wasn't watching Tyshawn exclusively, this is pretty much what I saw. I texted Reerun_KC a few times saying "How the FUCK can he make that shot??!?!"

Sometimes people score despite good defense. See the NDSU game last year, the Davidson game, etc. I thought Tyshawn played a good game. He still has some goddamn boneheaded plays, but they are more infrequently as the year progresses.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I agree that Morningstar came in and played well. Which also surprised me. Was he allowed to practice during his suspension? If not, the fact that he shows relatively little rust is absolutely amazing.

I remember seeing him throw a pass out of bounds and I was like damn not again but he recovered well.

[teedubya]

Once again, I disagree. KU has dominated their opposition all season and hasn't lost a game. Why do so many of you think Texas could beat this team? Their team of talented freshman wouldn't beat Collins and Aldrich.

Texas is laying up 100s on people. HUNDYS.... UNC was ranked #10 and Michigan St... #9... KU hasn't played any ranked opponents yet.

[KC_Connection]

Did anybody answer my question yet? If you think Texas deserves #1, that must also mean you think they could beat KU on a neutral court, does it not?

[ArrowheadHawk]

Did anybody answer my question yet? If you think Texas deserves #1, that must also mean you think they could beat KU on a neutral court, does it not?

They probably could. I'm still gonna root like hell for KU and I think they would win, but so could Texas. Your stupid if you don't think that Texas could beat KU.

[KC_Connection]

While I wasn't watching Tyshawn exclusively, this is pretty much what I saw. I texted Reerun_KC a few times saying "How the **** can he make that shot??!?!"

Sometimes people score despite good defense. See the NDSU game last year, the Davidson game, etc. I thought Tyshawn played a good game. He still has some goddamn boneheaded plays, but they are more infrequently as the year progresses.

California, NDSU, and Davidson were all among the best shooting teams in the nation at the time KU played them. That was why KU, a strong fundamental defensive team, even had problems with them.

[Buehler445]

Did anybody answer my question yet? If you think Texas deserves #1, that must also mean you think they could beat KU on a neutral court, does it not?

As I said before, I don't much care who's #1, but if UT played like they did tonight and KU plays like they did tonight, I think KU goes down.

[KC_Connection]

Cornell could give KU a bit of a problem for the same reason.

[KC_Connection]

As I said before, I don't much care who's #1, but if UT played like they did tonight and KU plays like they did tonight, I think KU goes down.

I don't. KU would play that team close, and Collins and Aldrich would pull it out with their experience over those freshman. There's no doubt in my mind.

[Buehler445]

I remember seeing him throw a pass out of bounds and I was like damn not again but he recovered well.

Yeah, he made a pretty bonehead foul (IIRC), but really for not playing AT ALL this year, he was damn impressive.

Does anyone know if he could practice while suspended?

[ArrowheadHawk]

Yeah, he made a pretty bonehead foul (IIRC), but really for not playing AT ALL this year, he was damn impressive.

Does anyone know if he could practice while suspended?

I'm pretty sure he could practice.

http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/1639572.html?storylink=omni_popular

As soon as Self reintroduced Morningstar into a normal practice regimen earlier this month, he began to see very clearly why Morningstar played 30 minutes per game last season.

[KC_Connection]

Texas is laying up 100s on people. HUNDYS.... UNC was ranked #10 and Michigan St... #9... KU hasn't played any ranked opponents yet.
UNC isn't very good this year, or at least they haven't been good so far. And Michigan State has lost 3 times, including one game to UNC. These wins look more impressive than they are because of the big-name nature of these schools.

While Memphis and California were both very quality wins for KU (both are ranked above UNC and MSU on the Pomeroy ratings, which I know you look at).

[ArrowheadHawk]

UNC isn't very good this year, or at least they haven't been good so far. And Michigan State has lost 3 times, including one game to UNC. These wins look more impressive than they are because of the big-name nature of these schools.

While Memphis and California were both very quality wins for KU (both are ranked above UNC and MSU on the Pomeroy ratings, which I know you look at).

Good points. But Texas still could beat KU.

[Buehler445]

I don't. KU would play that team close, and Collins and Aldrich would pull it out with their experience over those freshman. There's no doubt in my mind.

That could very well be. That's one thing you don't see in the games to date, Collins taking over and dominating some souls. I definitely LOVE it that he doesn't have to, but Collins did some flat out amazing things last year. That could be a difference.

I don't really know who would win, because so much of basketball is individual matchups, but I do know that UT is playing very very well right now.

What it appears to me, is that there is potential that the incremental gain from now until February could be more for KU than for UT. Bilas was talking about Barnes wanting to attack more (implying a little more 1-on-1 plays), whereas Self plays team ball no matter what. If you boil it down to 1-on-1 and team play, there is more to gain for KU than there is UT. Who knows how it will play out, but that possibility is there.

[Buehler445]

I'm pretty sure he could practice.

http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/1639572.html?storylink=omni_popular

Thanks.

[KC_Connection]

They probably could. I'm still gonna root like hell for KU and I think they would win, but so could Texas. Your stupid if you don't think that Texas could beat KU.
It's a possibility, but not a probability. Not on a neutral court. A bunch of freshman don't beat a team with experience like KU in a big game.

[Buehler445]

UNC isn't very good this year, or at least they haven't been good so far. And Michigan State has lost 3 times, including one game to UNC. These wins look more impressive than they are because of the big-name nature of these schools.

While Memphis and California were both very quality wins for KU (both are ranked above UNC and MSU on the Pomeroy ratings, which I know you look at).

Interesting. Thanks.

Memphis is definitely talented, and I think was a game we learned a LOT from.

UNC may well be down, but they are still talented. They played HORRIBLY when they played UT. They performed well below their talent level and certainly their coaching credentials. A lot of that was UT, but a lot was head in ass syndrome. (It should be noted that I haven't seen another game they played).

MSU, though, IMO is a very good team. I don't think they are as good of team since the European kid (Souton I think?) graduated. He added a tremendous dimension to their team. Nonetheless, they are a talented team, and have exceptional experience. That is definitely a quality win for UT.

[ArrowheadHawk]

It's a possibility, but not a probability. Not on a neutral court. A bunch of freshman don't beat a team with experience like KU in a big game.
Say what?

Damion James, G-F Senior
Dexter Pittman, C Senior
Avery Bradley, G Freshman
Dogus Balbay, G Junior
Justin Mason, G Senior

Bench

Gary Johnson, F Junior
Jai Lucas, G Junior
Alexis Wangmene, F-C Sophmore
Matt Hill, F-C Junior
Jordan Hamilton, G-F Freshman
J'Covan Brown, G 28 Freshman
Clint Chapman, F-C Junior

[DeezNutz]

X looking really solid, beakers.

He's going to be a monster come March.

Congrats on the win.

[KC_Connection]

Say what?

Damion James, G-F Senior
Dexter Pittman, C Senior
Avery Bradley, G Freshman
Dogus Balbay, G Junior
Justin Mason, G Senior

Bench

Gary Johnson, F Junior
Jai Lucas, G Junior
Alexis Wangmene, F-C Sophmore
Matt Hill, F-C Junior
Jordan Hamilton, G-F Freshman
J'Covan Brown, G 28 Freshman
Clint Chapman, F-C Junior

#1. Every one of those freshman plays significant minutes.
#2. Which one of those guys has experience playing in a big game?

[BWillie]

I thought KU played a good game to be honest w/ you. Just a little too many turnovers. We had a TON of passes leading into baskets. What you saw was alot of even scoring that exemplifies team ball and Cal making BS fadeaway long two's in the first half to keep it close. Talking w/ Cal fans though, I guess they are like the only team in the NCAA that relies on that kind of thing. Strange.

Taylor played wonderful offensively, and decent defensively. Henry was lost on D most of the game, but still did what he needed to do on the offensive end and has a knack for making a big steal. Sherron hit two great three point daggars. Seems like he is always doing that. Morningstar had 7 assists and played good D on Christopher when matched up w/ him and made two shots off the dribble. That was new. Robinson is a crazy freshman, but he's gonna be an athletic Wayne Simien if he can ever learn how to shoot free throws.

[KC_Connection]

Taylor has a 24:2 assist to turnover ratio over the last 4 games (since he was benched, actually). That's incredible for him. And apparently I wasn't the only one who thought he played well, Bill Self thought so too.

[ArrowheadHawk]

#1. Every one of those freshman plays significant minutes.
#2. Which one of those guys has experience playing in a big game?
Just looking at the last game.

If you look at minutes played it breaks down like this:
KU Freshman 39 minutes(X. Henry,Robinson)
UT Freshman 77 minutes(Bradley, Hamilton, Brown)

Now lets just take underclassmen.
KU 109 minutes(Frosh + Mc. Morris, Mk. Morris, & Taylor)
UT 83 minutes(Frosh + Wangmane)

KU is not vastly more experienced like you think they are.

[KC_Connection]

Now lets just take underclassmen.
KU 109 minutes(Frosh + Mc. Morris, Mk. Morris, & Taylor)
UT 83 minutes(Frosh + Wangmane)

I was only referring to their freshman, who all play significant roles on the team. Their minutes bare that out.


KU is not vastly more experienced like you think they are.
Having 2 players that have played in and won a National Championship is invaluable and something that nobody on Texas can match. I'm sorry that you don't think so, but KU's experience is largely the reason why they were ranked #1 in the first place.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I was only referring to their freshman, who all play significant roles on the team. Their minutes bare that out.


Having 2 players that have played in and won a National Championship is invaluable and something that nobody on Texas can match. I'm sorry that you don't think so, but KU's experience is largely the reason why they were ranked #1 in the first place.I see what your saying but having several Juniors and Seniors with Tourney experience is still experience. All of their uperclassman went to the elite 8 in 2008.

[jidar]

Uh, Tyshawn Taylor is the worst on ball defender on the whole ****ing team. That Christpher dude punked him out ALL night long. Brady came in and shut him down completely. He pulled a few good passes out of his ass late, but up to that point was nothing but a detriment to the team.

WTF? Tyshawn had an awesome game. How in the hell do you come to these conclusions? You really just see what you want I guess.

[DJay23]

Taylor has a 24:2 assist to turnover ratio over the last 4 games (since he was benched, actually). That's incredible for him. And apparently I wasn't the only one who thought he played well, Bill Self thought so too.

That's incredible for anyone.

[sedated]

Taylor has a 24:2 assist to turnover ratio over the last 4 games (since he was benched, actually). That's incredible for him. And apparently I wasn't the only one who thought he played well, Bill Self thought so too.

I still can't seem to make myself trust the guy. Its like he's trying as hard as he possibly can to not act like a fukn moron on the court. I keep waiting to see the old TT - circus shots, stupid fouls, turnovers. Only time will tell I guess.

[Mr. Laz]

i hope they bump Texas up .... and i hope the KU players are insulted and mad as hell.

maybe then they will get serious about trying to improve.

[CoMoChief]

i hope they bump Texas up .... and i hope the KU players are insulted and mad as hell.

maybe then they will get serious about trying to improve.

To be honest, if they stay undefeated and that happens.....I dont think anyone in a Kansas uniform is going to be that pissed off. They're already thinking about the KU TX matchup. Switching rankings isn't going to change anything for Kansas.

[sedated]

My top 5:

1. Texas
2. Syracuse
3. Kentucky
4. Kansas
5. Purdue

[Silock]

Syracuse ahead of KU? lol

[BWillie]

My top 5:

1. Texas
2. Syracuse
3. Kentucky
4. Kansas
5. Purdue

My top 5:
1. Texas
2. Kentucky
3. Syracuse
4. Purdue
5. Kansas

All those teams have better wins than KU so far and better resumes. But just wait...

Syracuse ahead of KU? lol

At this time, yes. Syracuse beat Cal by 22, beat UNC by almost 20, beat Florida by 12, and beat a common opponent Oakland by more than KU. I don't see why anybody would be that bothered if Syracuse was rated ahead of KU at least AT THIS TIME

[CoMoChief]

It's too early to tell who's better. Has TX beat more worthy opponents than Kansas? Of course. Having that said I think Kansas is better than any team Texas has faced so far this season. They're deep, so is Kansas, it's gonna be a great game. I can't wait for that game. I just hope DV isn't there. I dont want to have to watch the game on mute.

[Silock]

My top 5:
1. Texas
2. Kentucky
3. Syracuse
4. Purdue
5. Kansas

All those teams have better wins than KU so far and better resumes. But just wait...



At this time, yes. Syracuse beat Cal by 22, beat UNC by almost 20, beat Florida by 12, and beat a common opponent Oakland by more than KU. I don't see why anybody would be that bothered if Syracuse was rated ahead of KU at least AT THIS TIME

They lost to Le Moyne, a Division II school.

[CoMoChief]

They lost to Le Moyne, a Division II school.

Shhhhh (exhibition games don't ever matter)

[Mr. Laz]

To be honest, if they stay undefeated and that happens.....I dont think anyone in a Kansas uniform is going to be that pissed off. They're already thinking about the KU TX matchup. Switching rankings isn't going to change anything for Kansas.
wanna bet?


http://www.kansascity.com/166/story/1646924.html

Taylor and Collins said KU came out wanting to prove that it deserved the No. 1 ranking. The nonconference portion of the schedule has not gone according to plan; Big-name opponents Memphis, UCLA and Michigan are all down from where they were in previous seasons. The Golden Bears have fallen out of the top 25, too, but this one felt different. Cal had some players that could match KU athletically.


“I definitely think it was a statement game,” Taylor said, “to show this is why we’re No. 1. Our schedule hasn’t been the toughest, but when it’s time to step up, we will.”


It was certainly time when the Golden Bears led 46-42 early in the second half.


“We took in a lot of people saying we aren’t worthy of being No. 1,” Collins said. “More flames to our fire. We took it personal.”

[not kitten_mittons]

wanna bet?


Taylor and Collins said KU came out wanting to prove that it deserved the No. 1 ranking. The nonconference portion of the schedule has not gone according to plan; Big-name opponents Memphis, UCLA and Michigan are all down from where they were in previous seasons. The Golden Bears have fallen out of the top 25, too, but this one felt different. Cal had some players that could match KU athletically.


“I definitely think it was a statement game,” Taylor said, “to show this is why we’re No. 1. Our schedule hasn’t been the toughest, but when it’s time to step up, we will.”


It was certainly time when the Golden Bears led 46-42 early in the second half.


“We took in a lot of people saying we aren’t worthy of being No. 1,” Collins said. “More flames to our fire. We took it personal.”

Are they pretending that they did well against Cal?

[BWillie]

Shhhhh (exhibition games don't ever matter)

Correct. They don't. It's called an EXHIBITION game. Most teams mess around and try new things and lineups. What happens in an exhibition game should make no bearing at all in how one is ranked, what RPI they are, and especially tournament seeding. I'm usually one of the bigger KU homers here but for the life of me I can't understand why everybody is all up in arms that nobody should be allowed to take KU's #1 ranking at this point in the season.

[Silock]

Correct. They don't. It's called an EXHIBITION game. Most teams mess around and try new things and lineups. What happens in an exhibition game should make no bearing at all in how one is ranked, what RPI they are, and especially tournament seeding. I'm usually one of the bigger KU homers here but for the life of me I can't understand why everybody is all up in arms that nobody should be allowed to take KU's #1 ranking at this point in the season.

Nobody is saying that, to my knowledge. But Syracuse? Come on. Texas or Kentucky, sure, you have a valid argument. I just don't think right now you can put Syracuse ahead of KU.

And talking about trying new things and new lineups -- KU is STILL doing that, while managing to not lose exhibition games and remain undefeated.

[BWillie]

Nobody is saying that, to my knowledge. But Syracuse? Come on. Texas or Kentucky, sure, you have a valid argument. I just don't think right now you can put Syracuse ahead of KU.

And talking about trying new things and new lineups -- KU is STILL doing that, while managing to not lose exhibition games and remain undefeated.

Syracuse and KU have two common opponents. Oakland and Cal. Syracuse beat both by a wider margin than KU did. On top of that, Syracuse has better quality wins.

If you don't put Kansas name on a copy of their results, you probably wouldn't put Kansas over Syracuse.

[Goldmember]

with the crappy teams we've been playing get their "best game" shouldn't make a dam bit of difference.

Well that's going to change soon, which is my point.

[Silock]

Syracuse and KU have two common opponents. Oakland and Cal. Syracuse beat both by a wider margin than KU did. On top of that, Syracuse has better quality wins.

If you don't put Kansas name on a copy of their results, you probably wouldn't put Kansas over Syracuse.

You can't directly compare wins, even though everyone wants to. Every game is different, and a win is a win. It seems like we have this discussion every year.