Do we need two wr's in the draft? or just one?

[googlegoogle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqHZjHonAqQ

Mardy Gilyard ? Denario? 2nd round!?</EMBED></EMBED>

[Bane]

I'd settle for drafting Bryant,or Tate.

[Mecca]

This is a shit ass WR class, seriously if no one else declares there is 1 first round WR, and pimping for spread WR's who have inflated numbers isn't really a great idea.

[Demonpenz]

Denario Alexander please

[kitten_mittons]

Whichever one's name will look better in these thread titles, in chronological order, of course.

"Our first WR of the draft, _____!!!!!"
"_____ youtubes."
"_____ is a God."
"_____ is the next Randy Moss."
"Haley says _____ is better than Fitzgerald and Boldin put together!"
"_____ makes big strides in training camp."
"Fuck Bowe, we've got _____."
"_____ 2 catches 14 yards in preseason game."
"_____ is still learning the offense."
"We should've drafted _____ instead of _____."
"_____ sucks."
"_____ is the reason we lost."
"_____ isn't part of the right 53."
"_____ officially a bust."
"Release _____."

[GoHuge]

Think we should draft four to make sure we get at least one after seeing this regimes ability to evaluate talent. Went 0-2 on D linemen this year, but maybe that's just a Chief's thing. Either way I'm sticking with four.
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[ModSocks]

I would go with one. just one good one.

[Ralphy Boy]

I'd love to have Alexander but don't see it happening. Not really up yet on where he's likely to be drafted but I would think he's a 2nd rounder (or higher) and i'd hope he'd be considered. We could use a big body WR, but since Mizzou isn't a BB college who knows. I'd think that Maclin's success this season would lend a little favor toward Alexander's chances but Maclin would have been a stud in any offense.

[ModSocks]

This is a shit ass WR class, seriously if no one else declares there is 1 first round WR, and pimping for spread WR's who have inflated numbers isn't really a great idea.

So what is your opinion on Dez Bryant?

[Thig Lyfe]

Awww that video is heartwarming.

[Chiefnj2]

Tate and Gilyard look like they have playmaker ability.
Shipley isn't flashy, but it seems like he can at least catch the ball.
Bring in the kid who dropped out of Syracuse as an UDFA.

[Rausch]

We need two WR's, Two O lineman, 1 legit 3-4 DT, 2 safeties, at least one TE, a backup to Charles, a backup to Cassel, a true ILB, and a legit FB...

[Dante84]

Our last MU WR worked out great....

Iron Will

[Bane]

I still like Tate.

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Bryant has great hands.

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[kepp]

Our last MU WR worked out great....

Iron Will

A 4th rounder was quite a reach for Franklin. He should have been a let 6th, 7th, or an UDFA.

[kepp]

I'd love to have Alexander but don't see it happening. Not really up yet on where he's likely to be drafted but I would think he's a 2nd rounder (or higher) and i'd hope he'd be considered. We could use a big body WR, but since Mizzou isn't a BB college who knows. I'd think that Maclin's success this season would lend a little favor toward Alexander's chances but Maclin would have been a stud in any offense.

The lowest I've seen him forecasted to go is the 3rd round, but who knows. That could jump a bit if he has a really good combine.

[Thig Lyfe]

OMG what if we get Weiss, Clausen and Tate?!? We'd totally replicate the awesomeness of the 2009 Fighting Irish!

[Bane]

OMG what if we get Weiss, Clausen and Tate?!? We'd totally replicate the awesomeness of the 2009 Fighting Irish!

Tate is the only one out of the bunch I'd want.We can go QB next year after the whole Matt Cassel experiment is over.

[DrRyan]

Of the two I would take Gilyard over Alexander. Gilyard would stretch the field more than Alexander and could return punts, and kicks if you really want to overuse him. On second thought, having a QB that cannot throw an accurate deep ball Gilyard's talent might waste away here.

[Rausch]

Our last MU WR worked out great....

Iron Will

That one for Philli hasn't done a thing either...:spock:

[Dante84]

When is Dez projected to go? Does he make it to our 2a?

[Rausch]

When is Dez projected to go? Does he make it to our 2a?

Who cares?

By then we'll be drafting our next starting SS out of Columbia South Welding Mechanical Dyslexic Engineers Career Center....

[Titty Meat]

No thanks to Alexander yes to Ginyard.

[MahiMike]

I still like Tate.


Bryant has great hands.



Based on those 2 videos, I like Bryant. Tate looks good but not tall enough.

[BigMeatballDave]

We need two WR's, Two O lineman, 1 legit 3-4 DT, 2 safeties, at least one TE, a backup to Charles, a backup to Cassel, a true ILB, and a legit FB...Why? In an appearance against the Ravens, Croyle took a pounding and played better than Cassel did at any point this season.

[ModSocks]

OMG what if we get Weiss, Clausen and Tate?!? We'd totally replicate the awesomeness of the 2009 Fighting Irish!

I'd be on board for Clausen. He looked better in that highlight video then Tate did.

Hell, i would take Tate and Wiess too.

[ModSocks]

Tate is the only one out of the bunch I'd want.We can go QB next year after the whole Matt Cassel experiment is over.

It's basically over.

[Bane]

It's basically over.

It never should have started in the first place,but we're stuck with him for at least another season.

[evolve27]

Won't get a wideout with the 1st pick. Gotta hope a guy is there in the 2nd round. Gilyard, Denario, Tate, or Bryant.

[Rausch]

It's basically over.

His ink is thick and black.

Enjoy...

[Bane]

Why? In an appearance against the Ravens, Croyle took a pounding and played better than Cassel did at any point this season.

Exactly.We're actually pretty good at back up QB for once.

[evolve27]

When is Dez projected to go? Does he make it to our 2a?

1st wideout taken.

[arizonachief]

Golden Tate will be a bust in th N.F.L.

[GloryDayz]

The first three draft picks I think we need are, Owner, GM, and Head Coach. Then, back to the streets for 40, or so, different players...

[Bane]

1st wideout taken.

Thats what everything I've read says as well.Even though we need every play maker we can get,no way we go WR with our 1st pick.

[Bane]

The first three draft picks I think we need are, Owner, GM, and Head Coach. Then, back to the streets for 40, or so, different players...

ROFL

[ModSocks]

Thats what everything I've read says as well.Even though we need every play maker we can get,no way we go WR with our 1st pick.

What if Berry is off the board and Chambers does not resign?

I could live with Brown holding his job at S, but could we live with Wade/other scrub at WR? I think not.

[evolve27]

Thats what everything I've read says as well.Even though we need every play maker we can get,no way we go WR with our 1st pick.

Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

[Rausch]

Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

He's destined to move to RT.

Under Haley...:grr:

[evolve27]

He's destined to move to RT.

Under Haley...:grr:

This will make us look eerily simlar to the Rams, :eek: in terms of draft wise with early picks. Don't know if this is the right plan, time will tell.

[Brock]

Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

Awful idea.

[Bane]

What if Berry is off the board and Chambers does not resign?

I could live with Brown holding his job at S, but could we live with Wade/other scrub at WR? I think not.

I don't think I could pull the trigger on WR that high.
I think we need the best defensive player available with our first pick.Then OL,WR with 2a and 2b,but I got slaughtered for saying that 2 weeks ago.

[Bane]

Yeah, Offensive tackle is what's projected. I think Okung maybe. It's evident that Albert is suited for the inside or maybe RT. Geez it's disgusting to see his penalties snowball throughout the games.

Yeah I saw Okung,and everyone had a fit.
Saw Su,and lots of people had a fit.
Saw Berry,and almost everyone liked that pick.

I'd like to see Berry with our 1st pick,but April is a long time away.

[evolve27]

Yeah I saw Okung,and everyone had a fit.
Saw Su,and lots of people had a fit.
Saw Berry,and almost everyone liked that pick.

I'd like to see Berry with our 1st pick,but April is a long time away.

Love Berry but he's a number 2 guy behind Suh if anything then Okung at 3. Good choices, I definately can see Pioli choosing this way.

[Mecca]

As of today Bryant is the only first round WR, athletically talented, good size, probably will post a 4.4, probably should be more of a 10-20 prospect than a top 10 prospect. Similar to Braylon Edwards in that he'll make a great catch or do something that looks super human then follow it up by dropping an easy ball.

Inconsistency is the first word I think of when I think of him.

In short this is a very bland class, Damian Williams may declare and push Bryant but after that we're looking at guys like Regis Benn and Brandon Lafell who would be good candidates for a 2nd round pick other than Lafell is essentially a Bowe clone.

[ModSocks]

I don't think I could pull the trigger on WR that high.
I think we need the best defensive player available with our first pick.Then OL,WR with 2a and 2b,but I got slaughtered for saying that 2 weeks ago.

Eh. If we loose Chambers, we need a guy opposite Bowe. Remember what this O looked like before Chambers? Fucking awful. Bowe can't handle the double teams right now. W/o a guy on the other side, he almost disappears. There is no one to throw the ball too. And then what happens with Charles? He'll be facing more 8-9 man fronts.

Look at the early round talent we have on D, then look at the early round talent we have on O. We need O bad.

The D held cinci to 10 points until 2 minutes left in the game. The D can survive if we can get some O going.

[Mecca]

None of these receivers are worth top 10 picks, picking one that high will be a massive reach.

[Rausch]

This will make us look eerily simlar to the Rams, :eek: in terms of draft wise with early picks.

How the fuck could you tell the difference outside of the uniforms?...

[ModSocks]

As of today Bryant is the only first round WR, athletically talented, good size, probably will post a 4.4, probably should be more of a 10-20 prospect than a top 10 prospect. Similar to Braylon Edwards in that he'll make a great catch or do something that looks super human then follow it up by dropping an easy ball.

Inconsistency is the first word I think of when I think of him.

In short this is a very bland class, Damian Williams may declare and push Bryant but after that we're looking at guys like Regis Benn and Brandon Lafell who would be good candidates for a 2nd round pick other than Lafell is essentially a Bowe clone.

Then give me one in the 2nd. We can't go into next season with just Bowe. If we have Chambers, great. Then we can focus on D again. But if not, there is no way we can do this again with just Bowe.

[evolve27]

How the **** could you tell the difference outside of the uniforms?...

It's a effing shameful disgrace to say such a thing. Chiefs will always be superior to the Lambs.

[58kcfan89]

I'd love to have either Mardy Gilyard (go look up his story, he was homeless at one point, you'd think he's at least willing to work in order to be a great WR) or Golden Tate, but who knows where they'll be slated to go come April. Draft stock rises & falls so drastically between now & then...

[ChiefsCountry]

Wait till 2011 to draft WR. Draft defense this year, its loaded. Next year WR is loaded. Play to the strengths of the draft.

[Mecca]

Why do people love Tate so much cause he was on TV every week?

1 he's 5'10, 2 he has limited experience as a WR, he's probably a slot guy at the next level.

On the bright side to Benn, Juice Williams hurt his stock athletically speaking he may be the best WR in the class, he's also a very good returner which is something we need.

[DeezNutz]

On the bright side to Benn, Juice Williams hurt his stock athletically speaking he may be the best WR in the class, he's also a very good returner which is something we need.

Would be a solid choice in round 2.

[Mecca]

Benn is a first round talent that I assume declared due to the weak class. Playing with Williams destroyed his numbers and he got hurt.

[BigChiefFan]

I don't know what games you have watched in the past, but Dez Bryant is one of the most sure-handed, physical receivers in the college game. He's certainly the top propspect and has shown stellar talent that looks to easily translate at the next level.

[Mecca]

Also every time I've watched Bryant he's had long stretches of disappearing in games.

He doesn't jump off the screen at you like I think a top 5 WR should, but that's me I would never take a WR top 5 unless he was physically a perfect prospect.

[SAUTO]

I don't know what games you have watched in the past, but Dez Bryant is one of the most sure-handed, physical receivers in the college game. He's certainly the top propspect and has shown stellar talent that looks to easily translate at the next level.

mecca is going to pimpp benn since hes talked about him since last year. bryant could be all world but since mecca didnt like him before he could never like him no matter what
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[Mecca]

No I'm going to pimp Benn because it doesn't require a top 5 pick to draft him.

Dez Bryant is being pumped up by being the best WR in a bad class, he's a 10-20 type prospect. I didn't say Benn should go before him after his disastrous year, but you need to realize the investment in these players.

Benn is far better value at the top of the 2nd than Bryant is at the top of the first, this guy would be the 3rd or 4th WR in next years class.

[Frankie]

This is a shit ass WR class, ....

Yep. The only WR I want to see among our draftees is a late round surprise.

[SAUTO]

No I'm going to pimp Benn because it doesn't require a top 5 pick to draft him.

Dez Bryant is being pumped up by being the best WR in a bad class, he's a 10-20 type prospect. I didn't say Benn should go before him after his disastrous year, but you need to realize the investment in these players.

Benn is far better value at the top of the 2nd than Bryant is at the top of the first, this guy would be the 3rd or 4th WR in next years class.

no you will pimp him because you said last year he was the best that could be available in this years draft. now you are trying to make excuses for the guy. juice....etc. whatever man
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[Brock]

Yep. The only WR I want to see among our draftees is a late round surprise.

Let me guess, OKUNG

[Mecca]

Did you see how productive he was before this year?

Juice Williams regressed massively and it killed his season. Look I'd rather punch myself in the face than use a top 5 pick on Dez Bryant. None of the WR's this year are worth that, wait till the 2nd and pick between guys like Benn, Lafell etc etc. And I'll pimp Benn over Lafell for this team because Lafell is basically Bowe.

[Frankie]

Think we should draft four to make sure we get at least one after seeing this regimes ability to evaluate talent. Went 0-2 on D linemen this year, ...


I didn't agree with Pioli's draft and it was a let down to me. But to be fair, (1) he was operating with the old scouts and (2) D-linemen don't usually pan out the first year or even the first couple of years.

[Brock]

I'm okay with Bryant. He's explosive. Rather have Spiller though.

[Mecca]

We'll be kicking ourselves in the ass if we take Bryant when next years class has Julio Jones and AJ Green.

[DeezNutz]

All this talk precedes the Cody inevitability...

[SAUTO]

Did you see how productive he was before this year?

Juice Williams regressed massively and it killed his season. Look I'd rather punch myself in the face than use a top 5 pick on Dez Bryant. None of the WR's this year are worth that, wait till the 2nd and pick between guys like Benn, Lafell etc etc. And I'll pimp Benn over Lafell for this team because Lafell is basically Bowe.

how productive was he? im on a phone. cant see stats as easy as i would like. throw out his year by year stats. bryants too please, lets compare
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[Mecca]

Also Benn is a returner...

I'm actually thrilled about Benns bad year he went from a top 15 prospect to going in the 2nd round, advantage us since we have a high 2nd rounder.

[SAUTO]

Also Benn is a returner...

I'm actually thrilled about Benns bad year he went from a top 15 prospect to going in the 2nd round, advantage us since we have a high 2nd rounder.

lol bad year could also mean hes not that good. well see though
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[Mecca]

2007 43 622 14.5 39 6 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0
2008 87 1480 17.0 80 19 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2009 17 323 19.0 46 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2007 54 676 12.5 56 2 32 158 4.9 23 0 0 0
2008 67 1055 15.7 54 3 23 101 4.4 17 2 0 0
2009 38 490 12.9 58 2 7 23 3.3 8 1 0 0

You can guess who's who.

[BigChiefFan]

I'm okay with Bryant. He's explosive. Rather have Spiller though.They're both damn good players. Spiller is a phenomenal talent, but with Charles, I would say that's the one position, we'll probably avoid, taking in the first round. I like HB, M. Hardesty in the 4th round.

The two 2nd rounders give us ALOT of flexibility, to move up or down and we should end up with some quality players. This draft is alot deeper and there's some top-tier talent at the top.


I keeping seeing Dez Bryant game, translating as the next Andre Johnson.

[Mr. Laz]

im pretty sure Haley will want 2 new wide receivers next year .... at least. ROFL

[Brock]

2007 43 622 14.5 39 6 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0
2008 87 1480 17.0 80 19 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2009 17 323 19.0 46 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2007 54 676 12.5 56 2 32 158 4.9 23 0 0 0
2008 67 1055 15.7 54 3 23 101 4.4 17 2 0 0
2009 38 490 12.9 58 2 7 23 3.3 8 1 0 0

You can guess who's who.

Why don't you just tell us, instead of trying to prove how smart you are.

[Mecca]

Bryant's the first one I thought it was obvious with the 87 catch year. No one is catching 87 balls with Juice Williams.

Dez Bryant is not Andre Johnson either, Andre Johnson was a perfect prospect physically he was 6'3 230 with a 4.3 40.

[DeezNutz]

I'm not anti-Bryant, but he's not remotely close to being Andre Johnson.

[SAUTO]

2007 43 622 14.5 39 6 2 16 8.0 9 0 0 0
2008 87 1480 17.0 80 19 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2009 17 323 19.0 46 4 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

2007 54 676 12.5 56 2 32 158 4.9 23 0 0 0
2008 67 1055 15.7 54 3 23 101 4.4 17 2 0 0
2009 38 490 12.9 58 2 7 23 3.3 8 1 0 0

You can guess who's who.

lol thanks though. ill take the first as bryant, hes more explosive imo and it shows in the avg gain
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[Mecca]

Calvin Johnson you could have compared to Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, no.

[SAUTO]

Calvin Johnson you could have compared to Andre Johnson, Dez Bryant, no.

how big is dez?
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[ChiefaRoo]

Round #1 - playmaker on O
Round 2a - Center
Round 2B - MLB

[Frankie]

Why do people love Tate so much ?

He has one of the coolest names in the draft?

[Mecca]

how big is dez?
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He's listed at 6'2 210, Benn is 6'2 220.

[SAUTO]

He's listed at 6'2 210, Benn is 6'2 220.

where did you find his weight? i thought he was 220-225
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[Mecca]

Here lets watch and compare...lets also remember Bryant would require us using a top 5 pick, Benn likely requires using a 2nd round pick.

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[Mecca]

where did you find his weight? i thought he was 220-225
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It was on the ESPN site that I pulled his stats from, Benn is the same height and listed at 220 and he's very obviously thicker than Bryant so it's probably correct.

[Mecca]

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[BigChiefFan]

I said I think his game TRANSLATES to Andre Johnson's game, not that he is the exact same. The both have explosive play-making ability, are physical, and sure-handed.

BTW, Dez Bryant is 6'2" 220 lbs and he's probably put on muscle and added some weight, training his ass off.

He's a legit top 10 prospect in my book.

http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bryant_dez00.html

[Mecca]

Yet he doesn't sniff the top 3 WR's from next years class, I'm much more comfortable taking a WR in the 2nd round, than using our top 5 pick on one this year.

[SAUTO]

It was on the ESPN site that I pulled his stats from, Benn is the same height and listed at 220 and he's very obviously thicker than Bryant so it's probably correct.

i cant see the vids on my phone sorry, i would like to see them and i appreciate you posting them, ill watch them when i open the shop in the morning. fucking dsl issues here are killin me lol
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[BigChiefFan]

Dez Bryant ALSO RETURNS kicks, as well, Mecca.

[Mecca]

I'm not even arguing that Bryant is a bum or anything. It's like last years argument, I don't think he's worth a top 5 pick when a guy who isn't that much worse of a prospect if at all is going to go a full round later.

I think I'd rather have Eric Berry and Regis Benn than Dez Bryant and um whoever else you can name.

[SAUTO]

Yet he doesn't sniff the top 3 WR's from next years class, I'm much more comfortable taking a WR in the 2nd round, than using our top 5 pick on one this year.

you think the raider is better than dez??? come on man. i think you are clouded here
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[Mecca]

you think the raider is better than dez??? come on man. i think you are clouded here
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Uh what? I said NEXT YEARS CLASS, you know the guys still in college.

[SAUTO]

I said I think his game TRANSLATES to Andre Johnson's game, not that he is the exact same. The both have explosive play-making ability, are physical, and sure-handed.

BTW, Dez Bryant is 6'2" 220 lbs and he's probably put on muscle and added some weight, training his ass off.

He's a legit top 10 prospect in my book.

http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bryant_dez00.html

i could have sworn that i saw somewhere him at 220. the combine will show i guess. if he runs in the 4.4 range or less what would you think mecca?
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[Mecca]

I expect him to run a 4.4

I don't think he sniffs the top of next years class, I think he's a 10-20 prospect, I think he and Damian Williams are the only 1st round WR's should Williams declare and they are so different that's just preference.

[SAUTO]

Uh what? I said NEXT YEARS CLASS, you know the guys still in college.

i caught that just as i hit send hell even shut off the damn phone. still went through. sorry lol
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[DeezNutz]

I said I think his game TRANSLATES to Andre Johnson's game, not that he is the exact same. The both have explosive play-making ability, are physical, and sure-handed.

BTW, Dez Bryant is 6'2" 220 lbs and he's probably put on muscle and added some weight, training his ass off.

He's a legit top 10 prospect in my book.

http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bryant_dez00.html

I understood what you meant.

[SAUTO]

I'm not even arguing that Bryant is a bum or anything. It's like last years argument, I don't think he's worth a top 5 pick when a guy who isn't that much worse of a prospect if at all is going to go a full round later.

I think I'd rather have Eric Berry and Regis Benn than Dez Bryant and um whoever else you can name.

yours sounds ok im just talking here. bryant looks like hell be a fucking stud. the only worry about berry is his size. i hope hes not bob sanders' relative injury wise
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[Mecca]

He's nothing like Bob Sanders....

I want to know what people are looking at, is it because he's from the Big 12? Dez Bryant is the 4th or 5th best WR in college football as of today.

[BigChiefFan]

I'm not even arguing that Bryant is a bum or anything. It's like last years argument, I don't think he's worth a top 5 pick when a guy who isn't that much worse of a prospect if at all is going to go a full round later.

I think I'd rather have Eric Berry and Regis Benn than Dez Bryant and um whoever else you can name....and I'm not advocating taking him, but if we want a WR, I would rather have the top prospect, is all I'm getting at.

I'm also just trying to keep it real because he's a legit top 10 prospect and we have a glaring hole, so it's a possibility that we could pull the trigger, depending on where we pick.

He won't go in the top 3, but I can see him going in the 5-10 range. I also think he's the best WR prospect, since Calvin Johnson and believe he would seriously upgrade our WRing corp, so it's worth discussing.

[Mecca]

He's a more high level prospect than Crabtree was because he's more explosive but aside from that he's not a truly elite WR prospect.

He's not Julio Jones or AJ Green.

[SAUTO]

He's nothing like Bob Sanders....

I want to know what people are looking at, is it because he's from the Big 12? Dez Bryant is the 4th or 5th best WR in college football as of today.

size wise??? i believe so but i could be wrong
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[Mecca]

I also think should Williams declare he can absolutely push Bryant for that top WR spot.

[Mecca]

size wise??? i believe so but i could be wrong
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Eric Berry is 5'11 not 5'8.

[SAUTO]

Eric Berry is 5'11 not 5'8.

so far :) but yeah thats a big deal, i thought sanders was 5'10"
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[Brock]

Yeah, the only reason anybody could like Dez Bryant is "because he's from the big 12". Good Christ. :facepalm:

[Touchdown Bowe]

Picking up Benn or Gilyard would be the best possible pickups for us at WR this year

[Mecca]

Yeah, the only reason anybody could like Dez Bryant is "because he's from the big 12". Good Christ. :facepalm:

That is not what I said, I want to know if it's because everyone has seen him. Is all that implied, it's pretty apparent he isn't the best WR in college football.

[Brock]

It's kind of hard to make your case as the best receiver when you haven't been on the field in 3 months.

[Mecca]

It's pretty apparent to basically everyone that he's not AJ Green or Julio Jones.

[Brock]

It's pretty apparent to basically everyone that he's not AJ Green or Julio Jones.

I always laugh at how you think your opinion is universal. Was there a meeting of Madden coaches where you all decided this?

[Micjones]

Golden Tate with the Round 2a pick works for me.

[Titty Meat]

It would be pretty stupid to draft another WR in the first 2 rounds.

[DeezNutz]

It would be pretty stupid to draft another WR in the first 2 rounds.

Why? Are you arguing to wait until next year?

That we're somehow set this year?

Not sure if it would make sense at #3 overall, but there would be nothing wrong with taking one in the second if that's the best value at the time of the pick.

If we draft well--LMAO, yeah...I know--we can fill needs along the o-line and at LB in other rounds. Theoretically, of course.

[Mecca]

A guy Benn in the 2nd would be fine, but there is no way we should be going WR in the 1st.

[Titty Meat]

Why? Are you arguing to wait until next year?

That we're somehow set this year?

Not sure if it would make sense at #3 overall, but there would be nothing wrong with taking one in the second if that's the best value at the time of the pick.

If we draft well--LMAO, yeah...I know--we can fill needs along the o-line and at LB in other rounds. Theoretically, of course.

Theres no good WR thats worth the # 3 pick. Either Suh, Berry or Spiller will be there to draft at 3.

In the 2nd round I'd like to draft the guy from Texas A&M and a guy like Kam Chancellor if we don't draft Berry or the guard from Idaho State.

Round 3 would be a good round to draft a WR.

Round 4 I'd like to draft a ILB like a Phillip Dillard.

[Titty Meat]

Also Deez yes I do think the WR position is set besides drafting a slot guy which you can do in the midrounds unless we trade Bowe and I really do think thats possible.

[Mecca]

Whoa Whoa Whoa we're set at WR?

[DeezNutz]

Theres no good WR thats worth the # 3 pick. Either Suh, Berry or Spiller will be there to draft at 3.

In the 2nd round I'd like to draft the guy from Texas A&M and a guy like Kam Chancellor if we don't draft Berry or the guard from Idaho State.

Round 3 would be a good round to draft a WR.

Round 4 I'd like to draft a ILB like a Phillip Dillard.

Well, it seems like we're all pretty much saying the same thing, then. We need a WR for sure. Take the best available option somewhere in (what would traditionally be) day one.

Edit: Didn't see the "set" part. I do not have faith in Chambers, yet, and Bowe must continue to develop. Big question marks. Huge.

[Mecca]

I just want to be explained to how we're set at WR.

[DeezNutz]

Someone has been drinking the Chambers Kool-Aid.

[Titty Meat]

Whoa Whoa Whoa we're set at WR?

Bowe & Chambers on the outside. Are you going to draft a guy to play slot in the 1st or 2nd round?

[DeezNutz]

Bowe & Chambers on the outside. Are you going to draft a guy to play slot in the 1st or 2nd round?

Ideally I'd upgrade the position.

If you think we're set at WR, you must really hate Cassel.

[Titty Meat]

Someone has been drinking the Chambers Kool-Aid.

Sure why not? He's been more productive than Bowe. Honestly Bowe should be traded because he won't suck Haleys dick. How was he not targeted more in the Red Zone?

[Mecca]

Chris Chambers is a FA after this year and he's 33 fucking years old, he was drafted the year Dick Vermiel took over as Chiefs head coach, ponder that. I don't think he's staying here after the year to tell you the truth his career is about over.

If a top 15 talent like Benn does fall into the top of the 2nd you have to make that pick.

[DeezNutz]

Sure why not? He's been more productive than Bowe. Honestly Bowe should be traded because he won't suck Haleys dick. How was he not targeted more in the Red Zone?

I'd rather get rid of an incompetent coach than a talented player.

[Mecca]

Todd Haley the WR coach has killed Bowe's career, he's brilliant.

[DeezNutz]

I do agree with billay, however, in the sense that WR is not even close to being the biggest need on this team.

[Titty Meat]

Chris Chambers is a FA after this year and he's 33 ****ing years old, he was drafted the year Dick Vermiel took over as Chiefs head coach, ponder that. I don't think he's staying here after the year to tell you the truth his career is about over.

If a top 15 talent like Benn does fall into the top of the 2nd you have to make that pick.

We aren't getting Benn.

[Titty Meat]

I will bet you if Benn is still up when a team like the Ravens draft they'll get him.

[Mecca]

Really why not? I seriously doubt he's going in the first round.

[Titty Meat]

Really why not? I seriously doubt he's going in the first round.

The guy has alot of tools and seems like the kind of WR the Ravens would go for. The knock on him will be production but Juice Williams really fucking sucked. A franchise like the Ravens is smart enough to look past this.

[Mecca]

The Ravens offense is good now, it's their defense that needs help.

I think the Ravens will look at WR's in FA.

[Titty Meat]

The Ravens offense is good now, it's their defense that needs help.

I think the Ravens will look at WR's in FA.

Mason will likely retire.

Plus I wonder if Haley is cocky enough to play Lawrence at the slot WR and if you draft a guy like Spiller WR becomes somewhat less of a need.

[ForeverChiefs58]

I would love Berry in the 1st, but I for one hope they draft the top G and C with the two seconds or 2b- G and 3rd- C.

[Mecca]

You do realize this is a shitty offensive line year right?

[Titty Meat]

You do realize this is a shitty offensive line year right?

That dude from Idaho looks like a beast though. He really could fix the right side but I doubt he's there in the 2nd round.

[Mecca]

When we are discussing a guy from Idaho as the best guard, that's all I need to know.

[Titty Meat]

When we are discussing a guy from Idaho as the best guard, that's all I need to know.

Because only guys from big schools can be good? I get your point but its the 2nd round and the guy looks like a good player.

[ForeverChiefs58]

You do realize this is a shitty offensive line year right?

I also realize most of the top G's and C's are better than what we now have. It's sad, but true. We have the worst o-line in franchise history, with the records to prove it. :doh!:

[ForeverChiefs58]

Mike Iupati OG Idaho or/and Mike Johnson OG Alabama, and C Kris O'Dowd would go a long way in fixing that line for years to come.

[googlegoogle]

Mike Iupati OG Idaho or/and Mike Johnson OG Alabama, and C Kris O'Dowd would go a long way in fixing that line for years to come.



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[Chiefaholic]

We need two WR's, Two O lineman, 1 legit 3-4 DT, 2 safeties, at least one TE, a backup to Charles, a backup to Cassel, a true ILB, and a legit FB...

So you're saying there's a CHANCE we'll contend next year?...... SWEET!!!

BTW... You forgot a OLB opposite Hali and probably one more OL (Thinking Center, RG, and RT)

[Chiefaholic]

As far as the WR debate and where to draft them. This team is so thin at so many positions, we could draft BPA in every round and still fill a NEED for the Chiefs. We need guys who can determine the outcome of a game with our first three picks. Picking based upon weakest position is retarded. I think we can fill positions on the O-Line between rounds 3 and 5 with starting caliber players. There'll be some respectable WR's with our second round 2 pick and possibly in the 3rd.

[HotRoute]

As far as the WR debate and where to draft them. This team is so thin at so many positions, we could draft BPA in every round and still fill a NEED for the Chiefs. We need guys who can determine the outcome of a game with our first three picks. Picking based upon weakest position is retarded. I think we can fill positions on the O-Line between rounds 3 and 5 with starting caliber players. There'll be some respectable WR's with our second round 2 pick and possibly in the 3rd.

i am impressed, maybe fans are starting to get it

[chiefzilla1501]

Chris Chambers is a FA after this year and he's 33 ****ing years old, he was drafted the year Dick Vermiel took over as Chiefs head coach, ponder that. I don't think he's staying here after the year to tell you the truth his career is about over.

If a top 15 talent like Benn does fall into the top of the 2nd you have to make that pick.

I think all Chambers cares about is getting paid. And I'd have to think the Chiefs are prepared to do that. All we need him for is another year as a stopgap. If I'm an aging receiver with average demand, I'd rather be in a place where the cupboard is empty than for a playoff team where I might not even make the 53.

[chiefzilla1501]

As far as the WR debate and where to draft them. This team is so thin at so many positions, we could draft BPA in every round and still fill a NEED for the Chiefs. We need guys who can determine the outcome of a game with our first three picks. Picking based upon weakest position is retarded. I think we can fill positions on the O-Line between rounds 3 and 5 with starting caliber players. There'll be some respectable WR's with our second round 2 pick and possibly in the 3rd.

Amazing that I'm actually starting to believe this, but I honestly think the only o-line need that is a pressing priority is at Center. Of course we want to get better at RG and RT, and we need to find Waters' eventual replacement, but it's not the end of the world if we don't get any clear-cut starters.

You're right. Go with BPA. If Guard or RT never hits the BPA radar, bring in a ton of undrafted Guards and RTs, and some young guys off the scrap heap, and create open competition for those jobs. Maybe O'Callaghan and Wade Smith still end up as our starters. That's not something I'd lose sleep over.

[mylittlepony]

Cant really disagree with Mecca on anything on this thread. He is spot on, with everything he says.

I think Berry, Benn would be a great pickup.It really comes down to whos available early second. There are some good OLB prospects just around the bottom of 1 early 2.

[chiefzilla1501]

We need two WR's, Two O lineman, 1 legit 3-4 DT, 2 safeties, at least one TE, a backup to Charles, a backup to Cassel, a true ILB, and a legit FB...

That's what we need to be a Super Bowl contender. If we want to compete, our pressing priorities are Center, playmaker at Safety, Nose Tackle, and a 3-4 OLB. Backup RB is too but that's easily fixed with the scrap heap.

We don't have to have top-notch starters at every position to compete. Lots of real good teams have "good enough" players starting for them.Really, you need good players at key positions and then you embellish over time by adding good players at luxury positions. Positions like FB, TE, one of the Safeties, ILBs are more luxury positions. And while it's not the long-term mix you necessarily want, we can endure with Chambers/Bowe/Wade and Wade Smith/O'Callaghan.

[lostcause]

I was so much better this year at my job than cassel was and I didn't make close to his salary.

[Icon]

I'm not even arguing that Bryant is a bum or anything. It's like last years argument, I don't think he's worth a top 5 pick when a guy who isn't that much worse of a prospect if at all is going to go a full round later.

I think I'd rather have Eric Berry and Regis Benn than Dez Bryant and um whoever else you can name.

According to NFLDraft.com, which has a good reputation, Dez Bryant is the #1 overall rated Junior NFL prospect. They even have him listed above Eric Berry. I think #1 overall is too high for Dez Bryant but I do think he is worthy of a top 10 pick. BTW I think Benn's first name is Arrelios. Since I'm a n00b I don't have the privilege of posting the link. The website for the Junior class listing:

w.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011

[kepp]

So if Benn isn't available in the 2nd, how about Freddie Barnes in the 4th/5th?

[ForeverChiefs58]

Why do people say they can live with this o-line? Good thing you are not the QB. It is the worst o-line in franchise history. needs to be fixed either through FA or draft. Remember to expect Waters play to continue to drop off with age. Both G positions need to be upgraded in order to compete along with C and RT has been a weakness for years. Basically, the only player worth keeping is Albert, who is still a question mark going into next year. We HOPE he has a better season and last year is more like his real play, but the truth is NOBODY really knows which Albert will play next season, so his backup at LT should also be considered.

[Frankie]

It would be pretty stupid to draft another WR in the first 2 rounds.

I think we will give up one of our 2nds for Boldin.

[Frankie]

A guy Benn in the 2nd would be fine, but there is no way we should be going WR in the 1st.

This is scary. Mecca and I seem to be on the same page about this year's draft. So far anyway.

[Frankie]

You do realize this is a shitty offensive line year right?

Any good FA prospects there?

[DeezNutz]

Any good FA prospects there?

"They'd never sign in KC (as Brown inks with STL)."

"But, but...how many games did Brown win for the Rams?"

[Frankie]

i am impressed, maybe fans are starting to get it

BPA is not ALWAYS a good idea. there's nothing to "GET." This is the first year in a long time I don't mind it. For the same reasoning by Chiefaholic.

[ModSocks]

If Chambers leaves, and Berry is off the board, I would think the Chiefs would be able to trade down a few spots so teams could grab at Suh, Bradford and Okung. we could pick up an extra 3rd or second and grab Bryant.

[ModSocks]

I think we will give up one of our 2nds for Boldin.

I hope so. But i doubt it. If we don't I'd like to get some LB's with those two 2nd's.

[Easy 6]

I would go with one. just one good one.

This.

Anyone else brought in should be a FA with some experience, provided theres any kind of free agency.

Bowe, Chambers, a solid FA & talented rook would help things tremendously.

[HC_Chief]

Zero WRs in the draft.

We need 2 safeties, 3 OL, 1 NT, 3 LBs. That should chew up our draft.

I actually like Bowe, Chambers, Wade as our 1,2,3. They need to work with the juggs machine in the offseason.

[Frankie]

I actually like Bowe, Chambers, Wade as our 1,2,3. They need to work with the juggs machine in the offseason.

For one more year at least.

[Micjones]

For one more year at least.

It'd be nice to have your future starter waiting in the wings though.
With Chambers and Wade... You won't have to put so much pressure on him to become an immediate contributor. He can ease his way into the system and he'll have veteran WR's to learn from.

[Chiefnj2]

Zero WRs in the draft.

We need 2 safeties, 3 OL, 1 NT, 3 LBs. That should chew up our draft.

I actually like Bowe, Chambers, Wade as our 1,2,3. They need to work with the juggs machine in the offseason.

How can you like those three when they are part of a group that is about to set an NFL record for number of dropped passes in a single season?

[Frankie]

It'd be nice to have your future starter waiting in the wings though.
With Chambers and Wade... You won't have to put so much pressure on him to become an immediate contributor. He can ease his way into the system and he'll have veteran WR's to learn from.

That is usually a good scenario for QBs and a few other positions. Good WRs should start contributing the minute they are drafted.

[Titty Meat]

It'd be nice to have your future starter waiting in the wings though.
With Chambers and Wade... You won't have to put so much pressure on him to become an immediate contributor. He can ease his way into the system and he'll have veteran WR's to learn from.

Next years draft has alot more talent at the WR position i'd rather groom Lawrence in the slot next year and then draft Chambers replacement next year.

[Mecca]

According to NFLDraft.com, which has a good reputation, Dez Bryant is the #1 overall rated Junior NFL prospect. They even have him listed above Eric Berry. I think #1 overall is too high for Dez Bryant but I do think he is worthy of a top 10 pick. BTW I think Benn's first name is Arrelios. Since I'm a n00b I don't have the privilege of posting the link. The website for the Junior class listing:

w.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011

I don't agree with that list at all and Regis is his nickname and I'd rather type that than Arrellious.

[Braincase]

It's all premature until we get through free-agency to see what we can bring in. That said, I don't see a huge number of FA's anxious to play for Toddzilla.

[Mr. Laz]

mardy gilyard is a guy we should look hard at

we need to add speed at WR and we need a dynamic returner.

[Easy 6]

Zero WRs in the draft.

We need 2 safeties, 3 OL, 1 NT, 3 LBs. That should chew up our draft.

I actually like Bowe, Chambers, Wade as our 1,2,3. They need to work with the juggs machine in the offseason.

Depending on what happens with free agency, i could get behind no WR's in the draft, theres plenty of other spots that desperately need attention.

But i'm just not sold on Wade as a viable/moving forward #3, a slow possession receiver that goes 5'10 186? if he was a Jake Reed-like 6'3 225 & somewhat slow i could deal with that... but not at 5'10 186.

Not ranting on you, but i've just been less than impressed with the guy... 35 catch for 351 & a 10 yard avg. He's dog balls as a returner too, he needs replaced IMO.

[kepp]

So if Benn isn't available in the 2nd, how about Freddie Barnes in the 4th/5th?

Barnes already with 5 catches for 85 yards and a TD after the first quarter.