Am I the only one who thinks we'd be better off without another Patriots douchebag

[B_Ambuehl]

on this coaching staff?

Honestly I've had enough of "The Patriot Way" to last a lifetime. It's blatantly obvious the hype surrounding everyone from that organization has been nothing more than a myth. Everyone from that organization has at best, shown nothing, and at worst, appeared totally incompetent.

Now they're wanting to bring in another failure to run an offense that already has someone running it?

Jesus Christ. If this isn't another Chan Gailey situation waiting to happen I don't know what is. There are already reports Weis and Pioli had catfights in New England over who was gonna be Belichik's #1 bitch and people think Weis and Haley will get along. It's bad enough we're handcuffed to this worthless Pioli for the next 5 or however many years, the last thing we need is someone else in this organization who thinks the world revolves around him.

The Patriot Way: an excuse allowing a bunch of overhyped guys with Napoleon complexes to act like douchebags.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

I wouldn't mind having Bill Belichick here.

[Mr. Laz]

after one year i have also concluded that everyone sucks, everyone is a bust and we should cut and/or fire everyone!!!!!!!!!!

[HotRoute]

Hard to complain about the patriot way coming to kc when we've been playing so terrible. It's not about who we bring in or where they come from, what we need to worry about is results. And so far they haven't been good. I see weis as haley's potential replacement if we don't get things turned around before the end of next season

[Reerun_KC]

after one year i have also concluded that everyone sucks, everyone is a bust and we should cut and/or fire everyone!!!!!!!!!!

http://therearenosunglasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/nuke.jpg?w=510&h=311

[talastan]

I love the continuing flawed, Al Davis-like thinking of some of the fans. People swearing up and down after Pioli was hired, "I'm going to give him three years to make up my mind." An expected 4-12 season later, "Fire the B****!! He and his cronies should hit the bricks!!" One year does not a competitive team make. Take a breath Mr. Ambuehl and see what happens with the rest of us. The "Patriot Way" has produced repeated playoff berths, and championships. Whether that was due to the talent, BB, or Pioli; we'll have to wait a couple of years to see. Right now the Patriot Way is more proven than anything else we've seen here in KC in a long while.

[Dayze]

is he better than Haley/Gailey/Solari calling plays?

if so...fine with me. I don't really care where he came from.

[Chiefnj2]

Weis had success as an OC with the Jets under Parcells and Notre Dame had a good pro style offense this year.

[Brock]

Good grief. You honestly believe that People magazine type stuff about how Pioli and Weis fought over who got prime spot on Bill's lap?

[B_Ambuehl]

I can't believe there are still people who buy into the Pats/Pioli hype. Nothing with his handwriting on it has been proven spectacular or even optimal. Just look at their drafting record while he was there. Oh well. What'd it take 3 years before people finally realized Herm wasn't a football coach?

A lot of these owners might as well hire hollywood actors to coach their teams.

[The Bad Guy]

Good grief. You honestly believe that People magazine type stuff about how Pioli and Weis fought over who got prime spot on Bill's lap?

I have no doubts that this clown B_Ambuehl thinks that.

No doubts.

There is no one on this board with worse opinions.

[The Bad Guy]

I can't believe there are still people who buy into the Pats/Pioli hype. Nothing with his handwriting on it has been proven spectacular or even optimal. Just look at their drafting record while he was there. Oh well. What'd it take 3 years before people finally realized Herm wasn't a football coach?

A lot of these owners might as well hire hollywood actors to coach their teams.

Yeah, Pioli had absolutely nothing to do with any Patriot success.

It amazes me the lenghts some of you would go to to try to discredit someone based on one season.

[DaneMcCloud]

Charlie Weis would be an excellent addition to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Period.

[Saccopoo]

I wouldn't mind having Bill Belichick here.

Screw Belichick. I don't know why everyone is so quick to throw laurels at his feet. He sucked in Cleveland. He got matched up with a Hall of Fame quarterback though and everyone thinks it's him that's the genius. Just like Shanahan in Denver. Guy gets run out of Oakland, but he lucks into John Elway and Terrell Davis and wins two Super Bowls and all of a sudden he's the "mastermind." What the hell has he done without Elway? Jack squat is what he's done. I'm going on record right now that he'll bust in DC and they will be looking for yet another head coach in 2012. What a dog shit of a franchise that has turned into. That Snyder nitwit is the Maloof brothers of football. Fucking ass clown who basically lucked into his money and has no business running a sports franchise. I mean seriously - the Maloof Money Cup? Living Lohan? And this shit makes money? The Fiesta Casino? Really? I've been to Vegas every goddamn year since 1995 and I've never heard of the Fiesta casino, and these twits make 170 million on it? In six years? And Snyder? A lucky as hell IPO of a worthless "internet marketing" company in the .com craze after stupid kid idealistic failed business venture after failed business venture. Talk about living the fucking dream.

I wouldn't mind Tom Brady in his prime though.

[wild1]

I can't believe the level of b_tching that goes on here. This season was ugly, because it was a bad team, and everyone with half a brain expected that. It's not a one year process.

[Fritz88]

i don't know whether i should take a shit now or delay it after I play MW2

[Fritz88]

I am afriad that it will really affect my performance in the game, it's going to be online. I am depressed.

[Fritz88]

I think I need to eat more corn to make the shit come out easily.

[Brock]

Screw Belichick. I don't know why everyone is so quick to throw laurels at his feet. He sucked in Cleveland.

Yeah, that'll happen when you win a few Super Bowls, and actually he was doing a pretty good job of turning Cleveland around before they announced they were moving.

[Fritz88]

I am going to fart and test how things go

[Fritz88]

farting...

[Chiefnj2]

I like the potential addition of Weis more than Crennel.

[Fritz88]

I'll go for a poo before I PWN some n00bs on MW2

[wild1]

I like the potential addition of Weis more than Crennel.

I like the Weis choice. Crennel would just represent a step in the right direction.

[Royal Fanatic]

Am I the only one who thinks we'd be better off without another Patriots douchebag on this coaching staff?

No, there are probably other fans who think Pioli is worthless and the "New England" way is garbage because he couldn't turn this abortion of a team into a Super Bowl contendor in a single year.

When Carl and Marty came to town everybody loved the idea of a 5-year plan. Now the thinking of some fans is 1-year and then whack everybody and start over.

That's Daniel Snyder thinking.

[Amnorix]

I've got a thread killer for you guys. Ready for it? Here it is:


The Patriots were 5-11 during Belichick's first year on the job. They had been 8-8 the prior year. Boy am I glad we didn't fire him...

[Amnorix]

Yeah, that'll happen when you win a few Super Bowls, and actually he was doing a pretty good job of turning Cleveland around before they announced they were moving.

This. People don't understand Belichick's history in Cleveland -- at all.

[DeezNutz]

I don't know if Weis would be the *best* choice.

But I don't think it's a bad one.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't know if Weis would be the *best* choice.

But I don't think it's a bad one.

I'm not sure who would be better equipped to help Haley with this offense (and the quarterbacks) than Charlie Weis.

Weis did a great job while in New England and he did reasonably well in a very difficult situation in Notre Dame. I'm sure his experience there will help Todd Haley going into his second year and I'd be shocked if we didn't see a very well coordinated offense in 2010.

I'll be absolutely stoked if Weis is named the OC.

[B_Ambuehl]

Nobody said Pioli needed to be fired at this point but if he is what people thought he might be wouldn't you'll expect him to get at least one thing right over the course of a year? I can list at least 10 things he's totally dropped the ball on up to this point, but I honestly can't think of 1 major decision he's made that is definitely good.

[kstater]

Nobody said Pioli needed to be fired at this point but if he is what people thought he might be wouldn't you'll expect him to get at least one thing right over the course of a year? I can list at least 10 things he's totally dropped the ball on up to this point, but I honestly can't think of 1 major decision he's made that is definitely good.

You don't think firing Herm was a good choice?

[Brock]

Claiming Chris Chambers looks like a decent decision.

[DeezNutz]

I'm not sure who would be better equipped to help Haley with this offense (and the quarterbacks) than Charlie Weis.

Weis did a great job while in New England and he did reasonably well in a very difficult situation in Notre Dame. I'm sure his experience there will help Todd Haley going into his second year and I'd be shocked if we didn't see a very well coordinated offense in 2010.

I'll be absolutely stoked if Weis is named the OC.

I'm someone who would rather look for the next emerging star than go with the more conservative, "safe" pick.

That said, it sounds like Haley would have a high amount of trust and comfort with Weis, and these qualities might mean that he's hands down the best option.

[Saccopoo]

Claiming Chris Chambers looks like a decent decision.

If you appreciate dropped touchdown passes it does.

[Brock]

If you appreciate dropped touchdown passes it does.

He was better than anything else on the roster. He was this team's best receiver, period.

[MTG#10]

I love the continuing flawed, Al Davis-like thinking of some of the fans. People swearing up and down after Pioli was hired, "I'm going to give him three years to make up my mind." An expected 4-12 season later, "Fire the B****!! He and his cronies should hit the bricks!!" One year does not a competitive team make. Take a breath Mr. Ambuehl and see what happens with the rest of us. The "Patriot Way" has produced repeated playoff berths, and championships. Whether that was due to the talent, BB, or Pioli; we'll have to wait a couple of years to see. Right now the Patriot Way is more proven than anything else we've seen here in KC in a long while.

This x 1000

[Saccopoo]

I'm someone who would rather look for the next emerging star than go with the more conservative, "safe" pick.

That said, it sounds like Haley would have a high amount of trust and comfort with Weis, and these qualities might mean that he's hands down the best option.

We got the next emerging star when we hired Haley and Pioli. I'm all for surrounding him with proven quality guys to help build this franchise rather than a whole coaching staff of 30 somethings that have zero experience. Those dudes can be the assistants to the assistant coaches. I'd like guys who are going to be able to teach incoming rookies the fundamentals of NFL football and get them to play at the required higher level.

[Dartgod]

Chiefsplanet never fails to disappoint.

ROFL

[Simply Red]

He was better than anything else on the roster. He was this team's best receiver, period.

yes, and better than Kennison was.

[DeezNutz]

We got the next emerging star when we hired Haley and Pioli.

I hope you're right.

[Saccopoo]

He was better than anything else on the roster. He was this team's best receiver, period.

Makes those four wins all the more impressive IMO. Worst O-line in the NFL. Worst receiving corps in the NFL. Worst group of safeties in the NFL.

This team should have gone -4 and 12 considering the dog shit we had at nearly every position.

[dirk digler]

I can't believe the level of b_tching that goes on here.

LMAO Coming from someone that hangs out all the time DC this is priceless LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm someone who would rather look for the next emerging star than go with the more conservative, "safe" pick.

That said, it sounds like Haley would have a high amount of trust and comfort with Weis, and these qualities might mean that he's hands down the best option.

While I absolutely agree with this sentiment, you know as well as I do that hiring an up-and-comer was never an option with this regime.

[FAX]

Well ... the "Chiefs Way" is a little tedious. I mean, shooting for a 9 and 7 record then hoping to back your way into the playoffs, praying for an Eggo and Denver loss before checking the standing each week, and getting excited when your defense forces a field goal isn't a "Way" I want to support, Mr. B_Ambuehl.

If Weis will take the job, I say; Bring it. Same with Crennel. It doesn't mean I have to be a Pats fan, it just means that maybe ... just maybe, the Chiefs can become the dominant team I've always hoped they would be.

Besides, it's better than the Cowboy Way.

FAX

[Mr. Laz]

I'm someone who would rather look for the next emerging star than go with the more conservative, "safe" pick.

That said, it sounds like Haley would have a high amount of trust and comfort with Weis, and these qualities might mean that he's hands down the best option.
Weis is clearly the best option right now for us.

Not because I think he's the best OC

because he will run the same offense and Haley already trusts him. This brings a continuity and cohesion that we badly need right now.



i still want a QB coach :harumph:

[OnTheWarpath15]

I like the potential addition of Weis more than Crennel.

Agreed.

[SDChiefs]

No, there are probably other fans who think Pioli is worthless and the "New England" way is garbage because he couldn't turn this abortion of a team into a Super Bowl contendor in a single year.

When Carl and Marty came to town everybody loved the idea of a 5-year plan. Now the thinking of some fans is 1-year and then whack everybody and start over.

That's Daniel Snyder thinking.

Having 9 5 year plans is the reason why. People grow impatient. I hate the fact that I haven't seen them win a SB and am beginning to wonder if I ever will.

[RJ]

Having 9 5 year plans is the reason why. People grow impatient. I hate the fact that I haven't seen them win a SB and am beginning to wonder if I ever will.


Well, how old are you?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Having 9 5 year plans is the reason why. People grow impatient. I hate the fact that I haven't seen them win a SB and am beginning to wonder if I ever will.

Win a Super Bowl?

There are fans of this franchise in their mid-late twenties that may not, or just vaguely remember our last playoff win.

[SDChiefs]

Well, how old are you?

27

[Brock]

Makes those four wins all the more impressive IMO. Worst O-line in the NFL. Worst receiving corps in the NFL. Worst group of safeties in the NFL.

This team should have gone -4 and 12 considering the dog shit we had at nearly every position.

Can't say I disagree. shrug

[dirk digler]

I like the potential addition of Weis more than Crennel.

I like the addition of Weis but if Crennel doesn't come we are stuck with clancy penderfuck and that is unaccepatable IMVHO.

[SDChiefs]

Win a Super Bowl?

There are fans of this franchise in their mid-late twenties that may not, or just vaguely remember our last playoff win.

I was a kid when I watched Montana lead them to the AFC Championship. It seems soooooo long ago.

[EyePod]

I believe you are the only person.

[RJ]

27


Well then by gawd, I think you'll live long enough to see a Chiefs SB win.

Assuming the world doesn't end in 2012.

[SDChiefs]

Well then by gawd, I think you'll live long enough to see a Chiefs SB win.

Assuming the world doesn't end in 2012.

Weve gone 40 years without a Superbowl. Who knows how much longer until we get one?

[FAX]

Weve gone 40 years without a Superbowl. Who knows how much longer until we get one?

4 years. Max.

FAX

[Frazod]

Win a Super Bowl?

There are fans of this franchise in their mid-late twenties that may not, or just vaguely remember our last playoff win.

I was at least alive when they won their lone Super Bowl, but I was 4 at the time and have no memory of it whatsoever. Now I'm 44. Jesus. :shake:

[Titty Meat]

I'll throw this out there..... The Patriots defense wasn't great this year and I wonder since Romeo and Belichick are such good friends it's possible he goes back to New England.

[DaneMcCloud]

4 years. Max.

FAX

How'd you know his name was Max?

[SDChiefs]

4 years. Max.

FAX

Providing Haley and Pioli are what many presume them to be. Many others seen a failed year of building and have a fear that that is the best they can accomplish. Too soon to give up on them but there really is no way of telling if they will be failures or not.

[Oh Snap]

OP, how many superbowls have the patriots won because of the "patriot way?" When was the last time the patriots finished at, or under .500?

The "patriot way" is what won them 3 superbowls (4 superbowl appearances this decade) What I'd give for those stats!!! The patriot way seems to be working just fine.

[RJ]

Weve gone 40 years without a Superbowl. Who knows how much longer until we get one?


I'm assuming you live to the median age for men, which would give you about another 40 years. That would be 80 years total since the last one, so it should happen.

Besides, I'm sure if the Chiefs haven't improved by the time you're 60 you'll either find another team or quit watching football.

[Royal Fanatic]

Nobody said Pioli needed to be fired at this point but if he is what people thought he might be wouldn't you'll expect him to get at least one thing right over the course of a year? I can list at least 10 things he's totally dropped the ball on up to this point, but I honestly can't think of 1 major decision he's made that is definitely good.
The point is that you don't evaluate him after one season.

I know, you hate the moves he's made so far. But when you're building a team you really ought to understand that it's all not going to happen overnight. You don't like the drafting of Tyson Jackson? Fine. But it's still WAY TOO EARLY to evaluate whether or not that was a good move. You don't like the Matt Cassel signing? Fine. But again, it's still WAY TOO EARLY to evaluate whether or not that was a good move. You don't like the hiring of Todd Haley and the way Pioli is going after Weis and Crennel? Fine, you don't have to like it. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean anything.

If the Chiefs were already a contender and Pioli was making short-term moves to try to get them over the hump this year, then it would be perfectly valid to evaluate the moves now. But they're not even close, and this is a long-term process. I just don't understand how any fan can conclude anything one way or the other about Pioli yet. Ask me 2 or 3 years from now, and I'll give you a strong opinion. But the jury is still out on Pioli.

It's just absolutely fucking ridiculous to look at the short-term impact of the decisions he's made so far and conclude that he is doing a good job OR a bad job.

[Amnorix]

Well then by gawd, I think you'll live long enough to see a Chiefs SB win.

Assuming the world doesn't end in 2012.

Well....I hope your right, but my father lived into his 70s and never saw the Red Sox win a world series, and you'd need to be an octogenarian or something to remember the Detroit Lions winning any kind of championship...

Just sayin'

[Mr. Laz]

I was at least alive when they won their lone Super Bowl, but I was 4 at the time and have no memory of it whatsoever. Now I'm 44. Jesus. :shake:
i was only 3, you old fucker.


:p

[HemiEd]

after one year i have also concluded that everyone sucks, everyone is a bust and we should cut and/or fire everyone!!!!!!!!!!

ROFL Yeah, and it was kind of a familiarization year. Everyone knew it was coming. The team has a solid foundation now of Tyson Jackson and Alex Magee, not sure what else anyone could expect.

[DaneMcCloud]

The point is that you don't evaluate him after one season.

I know, you hate the moves he's made so far. But when you're building a team you really ought to understand that it's all not going to happen overnight. You don't like the drafting of Tyson Jackson? Fine. But it's still WAY TOO EARLY to evaluate whether or not that was a good move. You don't like the Matt Cassel signing? Fine. But again, it's still WAY TOO EARLY to evaluate whether or not that was a good move. You don't like the hiring of Todd Haley and the way Pioli is going after Weis and Crennel? Fine, you don't have to like it. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean anything.

If the Chiefs were already a contender and Pioli was making short-term moves to try to get them over the hump this year, then it would be perfectly valid to evaluate the moves now. But they're not even close, and this is a long-term process. I just don't understand how any fan can conclude anything one way or the other about Pioli yet. Ask me 2 or 3 years from now, and I'll give you a strong opinion. But the jury is still out on Pioli.

It's just absolutely fucking ridiculous to look at the short-term impact of the decisions he's made so far and conclude that he is doing a good job OR a bad job.

Wrong.

Pioli brought in 45 new players. Not even one was a young, true impact player. And don't say the "kicker" because Connor Barth was already here and capable.

Pioli failed at the #3 overall pick. He failed in round four. He failed in giving up two picks for O'Connell. He failed with Mike Goof. He failed by giving up a seventh round pick for Alleman and Nsukwe. EPIC FAIL with Zach Thomas. Fail with Bobby Engram and Amani Toomer.

YOU may want to give him time. But that is absolutely LUDICROUS considering he was the Executive of the Decade.

Personally, I expected much more. More savvy, more smarts and a shrewd leader.

So far, none of those adjectives can be used to describe Pioli's tenure in KC.

[OnTheWarpath15]

The point is that you don't evaluate him after one season.

I know, you hate the moves he's made so far. But when you're building a team you really ought to understand that it's all not going to happen overnight. You don't like the drafting of Tyson Jackson? Fine. But it's still WAY TOO EARLY to evaluate whether or not that was a good move. You don't like the Matt Cassel signing? Fine. But again, it's still WAY TOO EARLY to evaluate whether or not that was a good move. You don't like the hiring of Todd Haley and the way Pioli is going after Weis and Crennel? Fine, you don't have to like it. But just because you don't like it doesn't mean anything.

If the Chiefs were already a contender and Pioli was making short-term moves to try to get them over the hump this year, then it would be perfectly valid to evaluate the moves now. But they're not even close, and this is a long-term process. I just don't understand how any fan can conclude anything one way or the other about Pioli yet. Ask me 2 or 3 years from now, and I'll give you a strong opinion. But the jury is still out on Pioli.

It's just absolutely fucking ridiculous to look at the short-term impact of the decisions he's made so far and conclude that he is doing a good job OR a bad job.

I disagree completely.

Why can't you evaluate on a season-by-season basis?

An annual performance review is part of just about any job in this country.

He failed this year.

Does that mean he'll fail overall?

Nope.

But he's going to have to actually show some of us he can be successful without Bill Belichick, because to date, he hasn't given any evidence that he can. Hopefully, that changes this offseason.

[Iowanian]

Tom Brady tried to salute your post, however his right hands is too weighed down by championship rings.

[DBOSHO]

pioli has failed with tyson jackson because he doesnt have 100 tackles and 15 sacks his rookie year.

come on now.

[HemiEd]

I was at least alive when they won their lone Super Bowl, but I was 4 at the time and have no memory of it whatsoever. Now I'm 44. Jesus. :shake:

ROFL It seems like only yesterday, I was in Guam during the VN conflict. Jumped on that Chiefs bandwagon!

[DaneMcCloud]

pioli has failed with tyson jackson because he doesnt have 100 tackles and 15 sacks his rookie year.

come on now.

He failed because TyJack isn't an impact player. Several other impact players went AFTER Jackson.

Furthermore, TyJack is a two-down player.

WTF spending the #3 overall choice on a two down player?

FAIL.

[Titty Meat]

He failed because TyJack isn't an impact player. Several other impact players went AFTER Jackson.

Furthermore, TyJack is a two-down player.

WTF spending the #3 overall choice on a two down player?

FAIL.

I'd like to know how Jackson is a 2 down player.

[DBOSHO]

He failed because TyJack isn't an impact player. Several other impact players went AFTER Jackson.

Furthermore, TyJack is a two-down player.

WTF spending the #3 overall choice on a two down player?

FAIL.

whos to say he cant become a 3 down player?

[DBOSHO]

who would you like to see the Chiefs draft 1st in this coming draft dane?

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'd like to know how Jackson is a 2 down player.

Because he was coming out in obvious passing situations, playing only on 1st and 2nd down?

[HemiEd]

whos to say he cant become a 3 down player?

I would like to hear that explanation as well.

I would also like to hear someone elaborate on the NT play he has been getting. Any ideas? Are they going to put him on the Ryan Sims diet over the off season, and make him a NT?

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd like to know how Jackson is a 2 down player.

Huh?

[DeezNutz]

I'd like to know how Jackson is a 2 down player.

Because he was often only on the field on two downs.

[DaneMcCloud]

I would like to hear that explanation as well.

I would also like to hear someone elaborate on the NT play he has been getting. Any ideas? Are they going to put him on the Ryan Sims diet over the off season, and make him a NT?

He wasn't a pass rusher in college and he's not a pass rusher in the pros.

A rose is a rose is a rose.

He may not be the worst #3 overall pick in NFL history but he's certainly the worst Top 5 pick in Chiefs history.

[Titty Meat]

Because he was coming out in obvious passing situations, playing only on 1st and 2nd down?

What? Vs Cincy he was lining up at DT on third downs.

[DaneMcCloud]

What? Vs Cincy he was lining up at DT on third downs.

Wallace Gilberry replaced Jackson all season long on third down.

[DBOSHO]

He wasn't a pass rusher in college and he's not a pass rusher in the pros.

A rose is a rose is a rose.

He may not be the worst #3 overall pick in NFL history but he's certainly the worst Top 5 pick in Chiefs history.

dude seriously. he MIGHT turn into the next seymour. you dont know. thats fine if you dont like him right NOW, but saying hes the worst pick in chiefs history 1 year into his career is foolish.

[HemiEd]

He wasn't a pass rusher in college and he's not a pass rusher in the pros.

A rose is a rose is a rose.

He may not be the worst #3 overall pick in NFL history but he's certainly the worst Top 5 pick in Chiefs history.

Yeah, as I have mentioned, I played a recent game back and watched only Tyson Jackson.

He looks to me like he is thinking about everything he does, instead of doing it. I can only imagine the amount of pressure he has on him.

But what is your take on his NT play? I really want to know.

[SDChiefs]

Well....I hope your right, but my father lived into his 70s and never saw the Red Sox win a world series, and you'd need to be an octogenarian or something to remember the Detroit Lions winning any kind of championship...

Just sayin'

(Shakes head) FML.

[DaneMcCloud]

dude seriously. he MIGHT turn into the next seymour. you dont know. thats fine if you dont like him right NOW, but saying hes the worst pick in chiefs history 1 year into his career is foolish.

Yeah and I might turn into the next Brad Pitt.

Or not.

It's NOT foolish. Spending the #3 OVERALL pick on a two-down player IS FOOLISH.

Pull your head out of your rectum.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah, as I have mentioned, I played a recent game back and watched only Tyson Jackson.

He looks to me like he is thinking about everything he does, instead of doing it. I can only imagine the amount of pressure he has on him.

But what is your take on his NT play? I really want to know.

You mean in their hybrid 4-3? Either way, I saw a guy out of the play and pushed around constantly.

Maybe he'll become a solid player someday but he'll never, ever, ever justify being chosen #3 overall.

[HemiEd]

Yeah and I might turn into the next Brad Pitt.

Or not.

It's NOT foolish. Spending the #3 OVERALL pick on a two-down player IS FOOLISH.

Pull your head out of your rectum.

ROFL

[DBOSHO]

Yeah and I might turn into the next Brad Pitt.

Or not.

It's NOT foolish. Spending the #3 OVERALL pick on a two-down player IS FOOLISH.

Pull your head out of your rectum.

how about we wait a few years before we judge his whole career on 16 games, shall we?

[Carlota69]

Screw Belichick. I don't know why everyone is so quick to throw laurels at his feet. He sucked in Cleveland. He got matched up with a Hall of Fame quarterback though and everyone thinks it's him that's the genius. Just like Shanahan in Denver. Guy gets run out of Oakland, but he lucks into John Elway and Terrell Davis and wins two Super Bowls and all of a sudden he's the "mastermind." What the hell has he done without Elway? Jack squat is what he's done. I'm going on record right now that he'll bust in DC and they will be looking for yet another head coach in 2012. What a dog shit of a franchise that has turned into. That Snyder nitwit is the Maloof brothers of football. ****ing ass clown who basically lucked into his money and has no business running a sports franchise. I mean seriously - the Maloof Money Cup? Living Lohan? And this shit makes money? The Fiesta Casino? Really? I've been to Vegas every goddamn year since 1995 and I've never heard of the Fiesta casino, and these twits make 170 million on it? In six years? And Snyder? A lucky as hell IPO of a worthless "internet marketing" company in the .com craze after stupid kid idealistic failed business venture after failed business venture. Talk about living the ****ing dream.

I wouldn't mind Tom Brady in his prime though.

Uh, have to cut in here--You clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Maloofs.

1st, Casinos in the Las vegas area arent just for tourist. If a local wants to go to a casino, they typically want to go somewhere off the beaten track--ie, away from tourists. There are ton of local casinos that you have never heard of making a shit-ton of money. Hell, a little bar can make a TON of money just by having those little demonic video poker machines in them.

Secondly, The Maloofs also own The Palms and Palms Place. Heard of that Casino/Hotel?

Also, they have a record label that has a few decent rock bands that are actually making waves in the rock world. the Palms has the most elaborate recording studio in Vegas. Quite a few rock stars and recording acts have used those studios for projects and whatnot.

The Maloof brothers are also some of the coolest cats in Vegas. Super friendly, approachable and genuine. And of course they get the finest pussy in town.

As far as the Kings, I hate basketball so I have no idea about that team and how its run, but their casinos and overall Vegas presence is a positive one.

Snyder is a twit and the Redskins would suck if Lombardi took over...

[B_Ambuehl]

Evidently he also tried trading away Jamal Charles for a 5th round draft pick. :)

OP, how many superbowls have the patriots won because of the "patriot way?" When was the last time the patriots finished at, or under .500?

The "patriot way" is what won them 3 superbowls (4 superbowl appearances this decade) What I'd give for those stats!!! The patriot way seems to be working just fine.

They won superbowls, but IMO, not because of the things those super bowls are normally attributed to. The reality is they got lucky with the tuck rule and werer fortunate enough to play a Mike Martz coached football team one year. That lone year is the only one that could realistically be attributed to any sorta "Patriot Way".

In the other years they signed enough free agents to make Dan Snyder look conservative in the free agent market and had a consistently good QB and really good head coach. That made up for less than optimal drafting.

Why people would crown Pioli as king when the drafts hes overseed look the way they do is beyond me. If you're gonna hire an exec. in his position they should IMO have a consistently outstanding draft record. He wasn't a coach, wasn't a player, wasn't a QB...hell, maybe he's the one that came up with the idea for spygate

[Chief Faithful]

Considering the Eagles are an annual playoff team and they are also the second youngest team in the NFL how about some Eagle douchebags on defense?

[HemiEd]

You mean in their hybrid 4-3? Either way, I saw a guy out of the play and pushed around constantly.

Maybe he'll become a solid player someday but he'll never, ever, ever justify being chosen #3 overall.

Yeah, I gave up on him justifying that about two weeks after the draft. That ship sailed, it aint coming back. It struck me about like the Kris Wilson pick that Carl Peterson made, but that was a 2nd, not 3rd overall.

But looking at it positively, hoping for the best, if you look at the history of this teams failures, putting together a DLine, I will be happy if he becomes a major contributor to a great DL.

Thus my question on the NT play. So that is a hybrid, and I am just not recognizing it?

[EyePod]

I like the potential addition of Weis more than Crennel.

Weis is proven. Crennel> Pendergast. Improvement!!!

[DBOSHO]

seriously pendergast is a retard.

how many catches did jabar have until he decided "hey, maybe i should stop that guy?"

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah, I gave up on him justifying that about two weeks after the draft. That ship sailed, it aint coming back. It struck me about like the Kris Wilson pick that Carl Peterson made, but that was a 2nd, not 3rd overall.

But looking at it positively, hoping for the best, if you look at the history of this teams failures, putting together a DLine, I will be happy if he becomes a major contributor to a great DL.

Thus my question on the NT play. So that is a hybrid, and I am just not recognizing it?

Yeah, that was their hybrid thing.

I still believe this team would be much better as a 4-3...

[EyePod]

Considering the Eagles are an annual playoff team and they are also the second youngest team in the NFL how about some Eagle douchebags on defense?

They also had one of the best defensive coordinators who set up their entire defensive scheme. Don't give us that bull shit. They have a whole company that has been in place for years with limited change. Oh, and they've had the same QB that whole time too! We are in the first year of a new HC, OC, DC, and have a GM who has had about 1/3 of an offseason (I'm being nice too) to evaulate what he currently has and what needs he has to fill.

[Mr. Laz]

seriously pendergast is a retard.

how many catches did jabar have until he decided "hey, maybe i stop that guy?"
i think he was hoping that Carr would finally fixed his 'william bartee' and turn the fuck around and make a play on the ball.


not that i disagree with the whole penderass retard thing

[EyePod]

i think he was hoping that Carr would finally fixed his 'william bartee' and turn the **** around and make a play on the ball.


not that i disagree with the whole penderass retard thing

Carr did get seriously owned. That was disappointing.

[HemiEd]

Yeah, that was their hybrid thing.

I still believe this team would be much better as a 4-3...

Well the pieces sure seem to line up that way, they have already discarded some pretty nice pieces to the 4-3 though. (Tank and Turk)

If they had not beaten Denver, Suh might have really put their 3-4 commitment to the test.

[DBOSHO]

i think he was hoping that Carr would finally fixed his 'william bartee' and turn the **** around and make a play on the ball.


not that i disagree with the whole penderass retard thing

i get that he cant coach and play at the same time, but i dont think he realizes its legal to put your best corner on their best reciever.

[Chiefnj2]

Yeah and I might turn into the next Brad Pitt.

Or not.

It's NOT foolish. Spending the #3 OVERALL pick on a two-down player IS FOOLISH.

Pull your head out of your rectum.

You know what's funny? When they drafted Jackson and had the first press conference Pioli came right out and said he was a 2 down player. Haley interrupted and said something about trying to get him in on some passing situations, but it seems like Pioli knew exactly what he was getting.

[OnTheWarpath15]

You know what's funny? When they drafted Jackson and had the first press conference Pioli came right out and said he was a 2 down player. Haley interrupted and said something about trying to get him in on some passing situations, but it seems like Pioli knew exactly what he was getting.

I don't recall that, but if it's true?

:facepalm:

[EyePod]

I don't recall that, but if it's true?

:facepalm:

I don't know if I agree with you. Well, kinda. The problem is, the NFL's good teams are moving towards more passing. If this were not the case, those then being able to stop/contain the run those first two downs would be so much more important. And I'd rather Pioli getting the guy he wanted than having him bsing everyone.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I don't know if I agree with you. Well, kinda. The problem is, the NFL's good teams are moving towards more passing. If this were not the case, those then being able to stop/contain the run those first two downs would be so much more important. And I'd rather Pioli getting the guy he wanted than having him bsing everyone.

It all comes back to ego, him thinking he's smarter than everyone else, and ignoring basic draft value.

If what NJ said was true, not only is he dumb enough to spend a Top 3 pick on a rotational, part-time player, but openly admits it and seems proud of it.

Add this to years of shitty drafts in NE, and an unflattering picture is being painted.

[DBOSHO]

in other news: wallace gilberry has been a pleasant surprise

[DaneMcCloud]

in other news: wallace gilberry has been a pleasant surprise

Not really.

He played well last year after being signed off of the Giants practice squad.

[Chiefnj2]

I don't recall that, but if it's true?

:facepalm:

My bad, a reporter asked if he was only a two down player:



SCOTT PIOLI: “We selected Tyson Jackson out of LSU, a defensive lineman. You’ll hear him referred to as a 5-technique defensive end who we think has versatility on first and second down situations, can play outside for us, and on sub situations can play inside. He’s been a very good player down there on a very successful team and a very successful defense.

“Todd and I spent a lot of time looking at a lot of these players at the end and we’re really excited to have him.”

Q: Was this a difficult decision over all the other available players?

PIOLI: “I don’t know if it was difficult. Here’s where it was difficult: there were a number of players there that we liked. We spent quite a bit of time the last several days and weeks watching all the players. I don’t think it was a difficult decision in the end because of all the work we put in here the last few days. We felt this was a player we wanted.”

Q: Was he head and shoulders above anyone else still available?

PIOLI: “I don’t know about head and shoulders, but there were a couple of players we liked at this spot. This is the player we liked the most. The question was asked the other day and it was asked before: do we do things based on need or best player available. I think this is a very good case and a situation that explains what I was trying to say the other day. We have a number of positions of need and there were a couple of players we felt were very good at this point in time that were available at number three. We valued a couple of players very similarly and for different reasons they had different strengths and ways to help our football team. In the end in this particular case when we factored in need and we see where we’re at from a front seven standpoint, so we felt that the need also came into the equation.”

Q: Does he come out of the game on passing downs?

TODD HALEY: “No, we look at Tyson as a three-down player and we actually think that he probably gains an advantage on third down if he moves inside and is over a guard. He’s got some pass rush skills, there is no doubt about it and that’s one of the things that excited the coaches about him. When you can take advantage of some match-ups inside it may really help him and us.”

PIOLI: “In a ¾ defense even though he’s playing defensive end and more outside in the regular (defense) in sub packages he has the skill set to move in and potentially to have a mismatch, not necessarily on the edge.”

[DBOSHO]

Not really.

He played well last year after being signed off of the Giants practice squad.

well i thought so.

[JD10367]

Weis had success as an OC with the Jets under Parcells . . .

Yeah, so much so that Parcells took his playcalling duties away at one point.

Weis = overrated. (But still possibly better than what you have/had, so...) :shrug:

[DaneMcCloud]

well i thought so.

Then you didn't pay attention in 2008.

He was not in any way, shape or form a "surprise".

[OnTheWarpath15]

Yeah, so much so that Parcells took his playcalling duties away at one point.

Weis = overrated. (But still possibly better than what you have/had, so...) :shrug:

Yeah, and Pendergast was supposedly better than Gunther.

[Mr. Laz]

Yeah, so much so that Parcells took his playcalling duties away at one point.

Weis = overrated. (But still possibly better than what you have/had, so...) :shrug:weis is overrated
crennel is overrated

tis the CP way .. there isn't coach anywhere that can be posted about and not have someone say "overrated or he sucks"

[OnTheWarpath15]

weis is overrated
crennel is overrated

tis the CP way .. there isn't coach anywhere that can be posted about and not have someone say "overrated or he sucks"

You realize that JD is a Patriots fan?

[DBOSHO]

Then you didn't pay attention in 2008.

He was not in any way, shape or form a "surprise".

k. sorry for disagreeing with you.

[rad]

LMAO

[Just Passin' By]

Vince Wilfork is a 2 down player, for the most part. Only a complete idiot wouldn't take him as a top 5 player if they were a 3-4 team looking to build the defense. But the same clowns will continue to spout "Value!" as if they know what they are talking about.

[Dave Lane]

You don't think firing Herm was a good choice?

/thread

[Titty Meat]

I just find it hilarious a rookie head coach whos play calling was horrible still won double the # of games than Herm and was also able to win in Denver something a few different coaching staffs here never did.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah, so much so that Parcells took his playcalling duties away at one point.

Weis = overrated. (But still possibly better than what you have/had, so...) :shrug:

Overrated by whom?

Patriots fans?

[DBOSHO]

I just find it hilarious a rookie head coach whos play calling was horrible still won double the # of games than Herm and was also able to win in Denver something a few different coaching staffs here never did.

and, with the exception of charles, with a worse team

[Mecca]

Considering the Eagles are an annual playoff team and they are also the second youngest team in the NFL how about some Eagle douchebags on defense?

I'll take some Eagles and Packers douchebags pretty much all over the team, those organizations know what they're doing.

[Titty Meat]

The Browns are finally going to be an elite franchise after they steal Heckert from Philadelphia.

[Jawshco]

after one year i have also concluded that everyone sucks, everyone is a bust and we should cut and/or fire everyone!!!!!!!!!!

Cripes, this team has been a loser for far too long. We really need a playoff win and soon, or I fear for the mental health of some Chiefs fans. :p

[HemiEd]

You know what's funny? When they drafted Jackson and had the first press conference Pioli came right out and said he was a 2 down player. Haley interrupted and said something about trying to get him in on some passing situations, but it seems like Pioli knew exactly what he was getting.

Actually, that should instill some confidence in Pioli, for me anyway. Evidently he really does have a plan, unlike Herm.

Hell, I have never watched anything like it.

[JD10367]

Overrated by whom?

Patriots fans?

Yes. And by others, simply because he was part of the Patriots.

Honestly, I do think (and hope) that Pioli will be successful, because he was a GM-ish type "next to" Belichick. But, frankly, almost every other ex-coach or player has shown, so far, to be a complete and utter f**king failure. Expect little from Weis.

[DeezNutz]

Yes. And by others, simply because he was part of the Patriots.

Honestly, I do think (and hope) that Pioli will be successful, because he was a GM-ish type "next to" Belichick. But, frankly, almost every other ex-coach or player has shown, so far, to be a complete and utter f**king failure. Expect little from Weis.

Can we stop with the constant negativity, please?

[Titty Meat]

Yes. And by others, simply because he was part of the Patriots.

Honestly, I do think (and hope) that Pioli will be successful, because he was a GM-ish type "next to" Belichick. But, frankly, almost every other ex-coach or player has shown, so far, to be a complete and utter f**king failure. Expect little from Weis.

What about Dmitroff?

[Pioli Zombie]

Everything the Patriots have ever done sucks. Coaching overated. Players overated. Front office overated. The Chiefs should follow the model of much more successful franchises like the Eagles and Packers.
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[DeezNutz]

Everything the Patriots have ever done sucks. Coaching overated. Players overated. Front office overated. The Chiefs should follow the model of much more successful franchises like the Eagles and Packers.
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Gladly, with respect to the draft.

[Pioli Zombie]

Gladly, with respect to the draft.
And the Packers have won how many playoff games over the last 10 years?
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[DeezNutz]

And the Packers have won how many playoff games over the last 10 years?
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Let's revisit this statement after the next 5 years or so.

Their cornerstone was set in 2005, and it takes a few years.

I'd JIMP if the Chiefs had foundational players as good as GB's.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Let's revisit this statement after the next 5 years or so.

Their cornerstone was set in 2005, and it takes a few years.

I'd JIMP if the Chiefs had foundational players as good as GB's.

Their only real weakness is on the OL.

Otherwise, they've got some damn good, young talent across the roster.

[DeezNutz]

Their only real weakness is on the OL.

Otherwise, they've got some damn good, young talent across the roster.

This can't be true because if they had a poor line, they would never have acquired or developed a franchise QB.

You have to set the line first.

[Mecca]

It's funny to see a Pats fan admit what has become of all the people that have left there and not just do what the rest of the Pats fans here do which is basically protect their master.

[Pioli Zombie]

Ok then. The Patriots suck.
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[ChiefsCountry]

Player wise the Ravens are the model - they draft the best. They just never have had a QB worth a damn. The Patriots success is based on Brady. Brady should be getting commission checks from alot of fucking people based on the jobs he has gotten people.

[Pioli Zombie]

It's funny to see a Pats fan admit what has become of all the people that have left there and not just do what the rest of the Pats fans here do which is basically protect their master.
Its funny to see Chiefs fans, who have followed a team that has sucked, tear down a franchise that won 3 Super Bowls and has been a contender every year, in favor of franchises that haven't won shit.
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[Mecca]

We all can't trip assbackwards into a QB.

[ChiefsCountry]

We all can't trip assbackwards into a QB.

No shit Brady makes them go.

[Pioli Zombie]

We all can't trip assbackwards into a QB.

I forgot. You are one of those that think a qb is 90 percent of the team. Put Manning on the Chiefs and they go 13-3.
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[Mecca]

I'm sorry the Patriots draft history in the last several years is an abomination.

[Pioli Zombie]

No shit Brady makes them go.
How come they went 11-5 with Cassel and 10-6 with Brady if its only about the qb?
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[DeezNutz]

How come they went 11-5 with Cassel and 10-6 with Brady if its only about the qb?
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I'd welcome a trade, then.

[Pioli Zombie]

I'm sorry the Patriots draft history in the last several years is an abomination.
Yeah. 12-4. 16-0. 11-5. 10-6. They've sucked.
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['Hamas' Jenkins]

on this coaching staff?

Honestly I've had enough of "The Patriot Way" to last a lifetime. It's blatantly obvious the hype surrounding everyone from that organization has been nothing more than a myth. Everyone from that organization has at best, shown nothing, and at worst, appeared totally incompetent.

Now they're wanting to bring in another failure to run an offense that already has someone running it?

Jesus Christ. If this isn't another Chan Gailey situation waiting to happen I don't know what is. There are already reports Weis and Pioli had catfights in New England over who was gonna be Belichik's #1 bitch and people think Weis and Haley will get along. It's bad enough we're handcuffed to this worthless Pioli for the next 5 or however many years, the last thing we need is someone else in this organization who thinks the world revolves around him.

The Patriot Way: an excuse allowing a bunch of overhyped guys with Napoleon complexes to act like douchebags.

No, no you're not. I'm sure you got flamed something fierce in this thread though.

[Pioli Zombie]

I'd welcome a trade, then.
Ok Mr.Miss the Point.
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[DeezNutz]

Ok Mr.Miss the Point.
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No, I think I effectively mocked the point.

[Mecca]

I do agree with the thread headers point about what the Patriot way means though.

They all have napoleon complexes...

[Pioli Zombie]

No, I think I effectively mocked the point.

Not at all you guys think its all about the qb. I rebutted that by asking why then is the record worse with a superior qb? Point made. Its not just about the qb. Ask Peyton Manning what beat him in 2003 and 2004. The Patriots had some great players on both sides of the ball.
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['Hamas' Jenkins]

I do agree with the thread headers point about what the Patriot way means though.

They all have napoleon complexes...

And it extends to their fans. I've never seen anything like this. So many fuckers registering and posting on here just to enter a Patriot blowjob contest on a Chiefs board.

You guys have your own fucking team, suck their dicks on your fucking board.

[RustShack]

Yeah, the Patriots hiring all the former Jets and Browns to their coaching staff really backfired in their face.

[Pioli Zombie]

I love how once the arguement was lost they switched the subject to the arrogance of the team and their fans. Whatever.
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[Mecca]

Was lost?

If you don't think the Patriots drafting history of the last several years is an abomination, I don't know what to tell you.

[DeezNutz]

Not at all you guys think its all about the qb. I rebutted that by asking why then is the record worse with a superior qb? Point made. Its not just about the qb. Ask Peyton Manning what beat him in 2003 and 2004. The Patriots had some great players on both sides of the ball.
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No one thinks that "it's all about the QB."

What we think, however, is that this is the best place to start, since it's the most important position on the field. Bringing up the fact that football is the ultimate team game...isn't exactly startling information.

[Pioli Zombie]

Was lost?

If you don't think the Patriots drafting history of the last several years is an abomination, I don't know what to tell you.
12-4. 16-0. 11-5. 10-6. Yeah. They've sucked.
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[Just Passin' By]

I'm sorry the Patriots draft history in the last several years is an abomination.

You don't mind being wrong over and over even after having the facts presented to you, I'll give you that.

[Mecca]

That's a nice way to skirt the fact that the Pats have taken their market and money they make to sign FA's to mask their draft failures, that doesn't work here, the Chiefs aren't in Boston.

[Mecca]

You don't mind being wrong over and over even after having the facts presented to you, I'll give you that.

You think Laurence Maroney is good, that makes you a dumb fuck.

[Pioli Zombie]

No one thinks that "it's all about the QB."

What we think, however, is that this is the best place to start, since it's the most important position on the field. Bringing up the fact that football is the ultimate team game...isn't exactly startling information.
Well you contradict yourselves then when you dismiss their success by saying its only because "they fell into Brady". That tends to suggest its all about the qb and that the Patriots defense had nothing to do with beating Manning 20-3 for instance in 2004. It was a hell of a lot more than just Tom Brady although obviously he was and is the star.
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[Pioli Zombie]

You think Laurence Maroney is good, that makes you a dumb fuck.
Does anyone here remember me ever mentioning Laurence Maroney?
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[DeezNutz]

No, they had a damn good team. No question. But let's ask this:

Without Brady, how many rings do the Patriots have?

[DeezNutz]

Does anyone here remember me ever mentioning Laurence Maroney?
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He was responding to your dupe, apparently.

[Mecca]

Does anyone here remember me ever mentioning Laurence Maroney?
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Not you, JPB has defended Maroney as a good draft pick numerous times.

It's fuckin hilarious.

[Pioli Zombie]

You think Laurence Maroney is good, that makes you a dumb fuck.
By the way, besides bringing up a player I never mentioned, what's with the "dumb fuck"? Is this what you have to resort to all the time when things aren't going your way? It just reflects poorly on you, not me.
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[Mecca]

JPB doesn't get that respect since he's been calling me names for 8 months now.

[Pioli Zombie]

No, they had a damn good team. No question. But let's ask this:

Without Brady, how many rings do the Patriots have?
You can say that about any great team. How many rings do the Cowboys win without Troy Aikman? How many do the Niners win without Montana or Young? Did that mean the Cowboys and Niners drafted poorly?
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[DeezNutz]

You can say that about any great team. How many rings do the Cowboys win without Troy Aikman? How many do the Niners win without Montana or Young? Did that mean the Cowboys and Niners drafted poorly?
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When people are saying that the Patriots have drafted poorly, they're mainly referring to the last several years. Well...for the most part.

The Brady draft, for example, without hitting the lottery in the 6th, is a fucking disaster.

[JD10367]

Can we stop with the constant negativity, please?

:shrug: JMO. And it's not all bad. I think Crennel's better than Weis, so if you get him as DC that's not too bad. And, hey, at least Crennel might have absorbed by osmosis some of Belichick's defensive knowledge.

[JD10367]

No, they had a damn good team. No question. But let's ask this:

Without Brady, how many rings do the Patriots have?

It's not all Brady. But, as I've said before, the Patriots organization has many levels of success.

1.) Robert Kraft. Kept the team local, built a great stadium, and built a great organization.

2.) Bill Belichick. The mastermind, the leader, the brain, the great coach.

3.) Tom Brady. HOF-bound QB.

4.) Scott Pioli. Helped Belichick work the personnel angle.

Now, the question is, where do you place Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel on that list? Personally, I don't put them too high. And, IMO, Brady had the MOST impact on that offense by making chicken salad out of chicken sh*t in terms of receivers (not only WRs, but RBs and TEs). Look at the offensive rosters in 2001, 2003, and 2004; not a lot of Canton-bound players there. But they had a solid pass-blocking O-line, a young QB with great decision-making, and a whole lot of "who dat" guys who could catch the ball, so--much like the 2009 Saints--the ball could go anywhere at any time, which makes it hard to defend. But I can honestly say I don't remember more than a handful of times when I said, "Oh, my God, what a great offensive play call that was!" It's not like Weis was drawing up convoluted sandlot routes with confusing pass patterns. It was a lot of Brady going through his progressions and finding the open guy. Not brain surgery.

[JD10367]

When people are saying that the Patriots have drafted poorly, they're mainly referring to the last several years. Well...for the most part.

The Brady draft, for example, without hitting the lottery in the 6th, is a ****ing disaster.

The Patriots drafts have been very mediocre, when you eliminate the obvious no-brainers (e.g. Richard Seymour high in the 1st round).

2009
Rnd Name College Note
2 Patrick Chung Oregon
2 Ron Brace Boston College
2 Darius Butler Connecticut
2 Sebastian Vollmer Houston
3 Brandon Tate North Carolina
3 Tyrone McKenzie South Florida
4 Rich Ohrnberger Penn State
5 George Bussey Louisville
6 Jake Ingram Hawaii
6 Myron Pryor Kentucky
7 Julian Edelman Kent State
7 Darryl Richard Georgia Tech

It's too early to decide on this draft but it might be the best one yet for Belcihick. Chung, Brace, Butler, and Vollmer have all shown promise, and Pryor and Edelman were late-round steals.

2008
Rnd Name College Note
1 Jerod Mayo Tennessee
2 Terrence Wheatley Colorado
3 Shawn Crable Michigan
3 Kevin O'Connell San Diego State
4 Jonathan Wilhite Auburn
5 Matt Slater UCLA
6 Bo Ruud Nebraska

Mayo has been promising. The rest have been up and down.

2007
Rnd Name College Note
1 Brandon Meriweather Miami (Fla.)
4 Kareem Brown Miami (Fla.)
5 Clint Oldenburg Colorado State
6 Justin Rogers Southern Methodist
6 Mike Richardson Notre Dame
6 Justise Hairston Central Connecticut State
6 Corey Hilliard Oklahoma State
7 Oscar Lua USC
7 Mike Elgin Iowa

Meriweather has been good, albeit maybe went a bit high. The rest sucked.

2006
Rnd Name College Note
1 Laurence Maroney Minnesota
2 Chad Jackson Florida
3 Dave Thomas Texas
4 Garrett Mills Tulsa
4 Stephen Gostkowski Memphis
5 Ryan O'Callaghan California
6 Jeremy Mincey Florida
6 Dan Stevenson Notre Dame
6 Le Kevin Smith Nebraska
7 Willie Andrews Baylor

Maroney's dancing (fittingly) between a bust and a promising player. Thomas is a mediocre TE, the rest were busts.

2005
Rnd Name College Note
1 Logan Mankins Fresno State
3 Ellis Hobbs Iowa State
3 Nick Kaczur Toledo
4 James Sanders Fresno State
5 Ryan Claridge Nevada-Las Vegas
7 Matt Cassel USC
7 Andy Stokes William Penn

First four picks were solid. Jury's still out on that 7th round QB. :D

2004
Rnd Name College Note
1 Vince Wilfork Miami (FL)
1 Ben Watson Georgia
2 Marquise Hill Louisiana State
3 Guss Scott Florida
4 Dexter Reid North Carolina
4 Cedric Cobbs Arkansas
5 P.K. Sam Florida State
7 Christian Morton Illinois

Wilfork was a great pick. Watson is a disappointment. Marquise Hill, RIP, but the rest sucked.

2003
Rnd Name College Note
1 Ty Warren Texas A&M
2 Eugene Wilson Illinois
2 Bethel Johnson Texas A&M
4 Dan Klecko Temple
4 Asante Samuel Central Florida
5 Dan Koppen Boston College
6 Kliff Kingsbury Texas Tech
7 Spencer Nead Brigham Young
7 Tully Banta-Cain California
7 Ethan Kelley Baylor

Warren was a great high pick. Samuel was a good pick in the 4th. Koppen was a solid pick, and Tully was a great pick.

2002
Rnd Name College Note
1 Dan Graham Colorado
2 Deion Branch Louisville
4 Rohan Davey Louisiana State
4 Jarvis Green Louisiana State
7 Antwoine Womack Virginia
7 David Givens Notre Dame

Graham was a bust, Branch showed promise before getting injured in Seattle. Jarvis Green was a nice 4th rounder, and Givens was a solid late-round pick.

2001
Rnd Name College Note
1 Richard Seymour Georgia
2 Matt Light Purdue
3 Brock Williams Notre Dame
4 Kenyatta Jones South Florida
4 Jabari Holloway Notre Dame
5 Hakim Akbar Washington
6 Arther Love South Carolina State
6 Leonard Myers Miami (FL)
7 Owen Pochman Brigham Young
7 T.J. Turner Michigan State

Seymour and Light were solid high picks. The rest sucked.

2000
Rnd Name College Note
2 Adrian Klemm Hawaii
3 J.R. Redmond Arizona State
4 Greg Robinson-Randall Michigan State
5 Dave Stachelski Boise State
5 Jeff Marriott Missouri
6 Antwan Harris Virginia
6 Tom Brady Michigan
6 David Nugent Purdue
7 Casey Tisdale New Mexico
7 Patrick Pass Georgia

Aside from Brady, the most impact was from Patrick Pass.

[DeezNutz]

:shrug: JMO. And it's not all bad. I think Crennel's better than Weis, so if you get him as DC that's not too bad. And, hey, at least Crennel might have absorbed by osmosis some of Belichick's defensive knowledge.

I was being serious, too, because I have been overwhelming positive with all of Pioli's moves.

Don't bring that negative stuff this way.

[JD10367]

I was being serious, too, because I have been overwhelming positive with all of Pioli's moves.

Don't bring that negative stuff this way.

Dude, compared to the Chiefs fans here, I'm like a ray of f**king sunshine.

And, like I said, he might be overrated but Weis is still probably a step up from what you had.

If you end up with Weis and Crennel, you could do worse. At least they both have years of experience under their belt. They've been on SB-winning teams, studied under Belichick, know how an organization should be run, have HC experience in both the pros (Crennel) and college (Weis)... at the very least, they'll take some pressure off Haley in his 2nd year and give him two good sounding boards.

I don't know what's going on out there with DJ but if they can convince him to stick around, when you add in Cassel in year two, Jamaal Charles tearing it up, some more stability at the WR position... And with Denver still a mystery and Oakland still sucking balls, there's only San Diego to deal with (and their talent will eventually start to erode). As I said in the "Pictures" area where the 2010 schedule was posted, I can see 9-7 or better and a wildcard spot.

[DeezNutz]

there's only San Diego to deal with (and their talent will eventually start to erode).

Agreed.

I'm looking forward to 2017 when Rivers starts to slip.

[HonestChieffan]

All goes back to talent. We sure need some.

Better coaches may help but its allabout the clown in the center ring.

[JD10367]

Agreed.

I'm looking forward to 2017 when Rivers starts to slip.

Don't bring that negative stuff this way.

:D