KCStar: Who in draft might help Chiefs

[Tribal Warfare]

Who in draft might help Chiefs (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/1712799.html)

The Chiefs have major needs to address at offensive lineman, safety and wide receiver.

■ Russell Okung Oklahoma State, OL
•One of three Outland Trophy finalists

•Allowed one sack and two QB pressures all season

•Helped OSU lead Big 12 in rushing for three years

■ Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State, WR
•Caught 87 passes for 1,480 yards and 19 TDs in 2008; scored twice on punt returns

•Led OSU with 17 catches for 323 yards and four TDs through OSU’s first three games in 2009

•Was suspended for lying to NCAA

■  Eric Berry, Tennessee, S
•In 2008, he was first in NCAA for INTs per game and return yards; second for total INTs and return for TDs

•Jim Thorpe Award winner for top defensive back

•Twice a unanimous All-American

Chad Jones Louisiana State, S
•74 tackles and three interceptions

Demaryius Thomas Georgia Tech, WR
•46 receptions for 1,154 yards, 25.1 average, eight TDs

Anthony Davis Rutgers, OL
•First team All-Big East, second-team All-American

[Titty Meat]

Why isn't CJ Spiller on that list?

[Red Dawg]

Because he's a little bitch and we don't need him. If the Chiefs draft any other position besides a lineman on either side of the ball in round 1 then we fucked up.

[Saccopoo]

Why isn't CJ Spiller on that list?

Because some people are rational and objective, rather than being insane and retarded at the same time.

[WildTurkey]

Because he's a little bitch and we don't need him. If the Chiefs draft any other position besides a lineman on either side of the ball in round 1 then we ****ed up.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/mpaul82/not_this_shit_again.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

I really wish they'd stop mentioning OL in the 1st. If that happens, I will cry...

[BigMeatballDave]

Because some people are rational and objective, rather than being insane and retarded at the same time.ROFL

[Mr. Laz]

Why isn't CJ Spiller on that list?
1. pretty any decent player could help us but you can't list them all

2. we already have a version of CJ Spiller on the roster with Jamaal Charles

3. RB is not a position where we need a starter so it's not a priority need

[Mr. Laz]

I really wish they'd stop mentioning OL in the 1st. If that happens, I will cry...Oline is not my first choice but it's not like we don't need it.


too many people around here are letting those moron 4H guys brainwash them in being anti-Olineman in the 1st round. :shake:

It's not like we don't need one and it won't be the end of the world if we take Okung.


yes, i prefer more impact but it still fills a need with a talented player.

[TRR]

Its always hard to get excited about an O Lineman in the Top 5. If KC does decide to spend a Top 5 pick on a OT, I would be much more accepting of it if they were to land a couple of top tier players via free agency/trade.

The bottom line is that the O Line improved as the season went on, but you couldn't get much worse than how they started the season.
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[dallaschiefsfan]

The star gave a link to this draft site (http://www.newerascouting.com) that I had never seen before. The guy's mock is a dream scenario for our first and second picks...but I doubt it will happen. However, I'm not crazy about the idea of taking a guard in the second round. We can wait until the 3rd or 4th.

Pick Team Player Posi*tion School
1 Rams Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
2 Lions Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
3 Buc*ca*neers Ger*ald McCoy DT Okla*homa
4 Red*skins Rus*sell Okung OT Okla*homa State
5 Chiefs Eric Berry FS Ten*nessee
6 Sea*hawks Sam Brad*ford QB Okla*homa
7 Browns Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
8 Raiders Der*rick Morgan DE Geor*gia Tech
9 Bills Anthony Davis OT Rut*gers
10 Bron*cos (from Bears)* Joe Haden CB Florida
11 Jaguars* Tay*lor Mays FS South*ern California
12 Dol*phins Ser*gio Kindle OLB Texas
13 49ers Earl Thomas CB Texas
14 Sea*hawks (from Broncos) Dez Bryant WR Okla*homa State
15 Giants Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
16 49ers (from Panthers)* Ricky Sapp OLB Clem*son
17 Titans* Ever*son Griffen DE South*ern California
18 Steel*ers Trent Williams OT Okla*homa
19 Fal*cons* Car*los Dunlap DE Florida
20 Tex*ans* Mike Iupati OG Idaho
21 Ben*gals Golden Tate WR Notre Dame
22 Patri*ots C.J. Spiller RB Clem*son
23 Pack*ers Bruce Camp*bell OT Mary*land
24 Eagles Bran*don Graham OLB Michi*gan
25 Ravens Patrick Robin*son CB Florida State
26 Car*di*nals Syd’Quan Thomp*son CB Cal*i*for*nia
27 Cow*boys Jor*dan Shipley WR Texas
28 Charg*ers Jonathan Dwyer RB Geor*gia Tech
29 Jets** Bran*don LaFell WR LSU
30 Vikings** Colt McCoy QB Texas
31 Saints** Chad Jones SS LSU
32 Colts** Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida

33 Rams Dan Williams DT Ten*nessee
34 Lions Devin McCourty CB Rut*gers
35 Buc*ca*neers Damian Williams WR South*ern California
36 Red*skins Jahvid Best RB Cal*i*for*nia
37 Chiefs Ter*rence Cody DT Alabama
38 Sea*hawks Charles Brown OT South*ern California
39 Browns Ryan Math*ews RB Fresno State
40 Raiders Mau*r*kice Pouncey C Florida
41 Bills Jared Odrick DT Penn State
42 Buc*ca*neers (from Bears)* Jerome Mur*phy CB South Florida
43 Patri*ots (from Jaguars)* Corey Woot*ton DE North*west*ern
44 Dol*phins Brian Price DT UCLA
45 49ers Jason Fox OT Miami (Fla.)
46 Bron*cos Bran*don Spikes ILB Florida
47 Giants Mor*gan Burnett FS Geor*gia Tech
48 Pan*thers* Navorro Bow*man OLB Penn State
49 Patri*ots (from Titans)* Jerry Hughes OLB TCU
50 Steel*ers Dominique Franks CB Okla*homa
51 Chiefs (from Falcons)* Jon Asamoah OG Illi*nois
52 Tex*ans* Lamarr Hous*ton DT Texas
53 Ben*gals Nate Allen FS South Florida
54 Patri*ots Arrelious Benn WR Illi*nois
55 Pack*ers Sean Weath*er*spoon OLB Mis*souri
56 Eagles Per*rish Cox CB Okla*homa State
57 Ravens Demary*ius Thomas WR Geor*gia Tech
58 Car*di*nals Sean Lee ILB Penn State
59 Cow*boys T.J. Ward SS Ore*gon
60 Charg*ers Major Wright FS Florida
61 Jets** Mike John*son OG Alabama
62 Vikings** Kareem Jack*son CB Alabama
63 Saints** Selvish Capers OT West Vir*ginia
64 Colts** Tim Tebow QB Florida

* sub*ject to coin flip **play*off team

[OnTheWarpath15]

3. RB is not a position where we need a starter so it's not a priority need

We don't need a fucking starter at LT either, but that has stopped these fucking idiots from giving us Okung or Davis in mocks, now has it?

[Brock]

Oline is not my first choice but it's not like we don't need it.


too many people around here are letting those moron 4H guys brainwash them in being anti-Olineman in the 1st round. :shake:

It's not like we don't need one and it won't be the end of the world if we take Okung.


yes, i prefer more impact but it still fills a need with a talented player.

Left tackle isn't a need. Just about every other position on the line is a need, but not that one.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Left tackle isn't a need. Just about every other position on the line is a need, but not that one.
you can easily move Ablert and put Okung at LT

[Brock]

you can easily move Ablert and put Okung at LT

But there isn't any need to do that, when you can simply draft other line positions later. This team needs speed on both sides of the ball more than they need another first round lineman.

[dallaschiefsfan]

you can easily move Ablert and put Okung at LT

This doesn't seem to the be best value-move. Why do this when Albert is perfectly fine at LG at this point. His play improved near the end of the season. This would just seem counter-productive.

Draft the best available center or guard/s combo in the mid to late rounds and see who can become a starter. However it shakes down determines whether we keep Waters at LG or move him to C. I just think you invite more problems by moving Albert at this point.

[Mr. Laz]

here let me save us the time of this shit again ....


we need Oline help
we don't need an OT
we do too need an OT, Albert was crappy last year and O'callaghan sucks
Albert was better in the last 6 games
but can albert to be good again against better competition in the future
we can always draft a Okung and move Albert to LG or RT
Alberts naturaly position is LT
Albert played guard in college
Albert's nature position is LT!!!!!!!!!
Albert player guard well in College
Albert's NATURE POSITION IS LT you frackin moran!!!!!!
Albert is not a RT, he's a LT
You don't draft a RT in the top 5 and we don't need a LT


there ... the gawd dam argument is over x100000000!!!!!!1111eleventybillion

move on

[Brock]

Well, sorry, but every time somebody brings up drafting a left tackle I'm going to disagree with it.

[ModSocks]

Oh JFC. We don't need a LT. We have one. He struggled early on learning his assignments. He clearly got better as the season progressed.

Yeah, lets switch him to Guard where he will have to learn his assignments all over again, and then deal with a a struggling rookie LT and a struggling LG. Brilliant!

[Mr. Laz]

Oh JFC. We don't need a LT. We have one. He struggled early on learning his assignments. He clearly got better as the season progressed.

Yeah, lets switch him to Guard where he will have to learn his assignments all over again, and then deal with a a struggling rookie LT and a struggling LG. Brilliant!here let me save us the time of this shit again ....


we need Oline help
we don't need an OT
we do too need an OT, Albert was crappy last year and O'callaghan sucks
Albert was better in the last 6 games
but can albert to be good again against better competition in the future
we can always draft a Okung and move Albert to LG or RT
Alberts naturaly position is LT
Albert played guard in college
Albert's nature position is LT!!!!!!!!!
Albert player guard well in College
Albert's NATURE POSITION IS LT you frackin moran!!!!!!
Albert is not a RT, he's a LT
You don't draft a RT in the top 5 and we don't need a LT


there ... the gawd dam argument is over x100000000!!!!!!1111eleventybillion

move on.

[ChiefRoyal]

did everybody forget that colin brown will be back from his injury next year...the right tackle problem is solved!!

[DaneMcCloud]

did everybody forget that colin brown will be back from his injury next year...the right tackle problem is solved!!

Brown was moved to right guard

[banyon]

Eric Berry for me please. He is a defensive leader, and that's what we desperately need.

[The Franchise]

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[CaliforniaChief]

My hope is that everything leaking out (intentionally) of Arrowhead says left tackle, left tackle, left tackle and then at the moment when the 4 Horsemen, Pestilence, Brock, myself, and every other person who detests the idea is about to drink the death kool-aid, Pioli drafts Berry or McClain?

[Mr. Laz]

My hope is that everything leaking out (intentionally) of Arrowhead says left tackle, left tackle, left tackle and then at the moment when the 4 Horsemen, Pestilence, Brock, myself, and every other person who detests the idea is about to drink the death kool-aid, Pioli drafts Berry or McClain?can you guys go ahead and drink the death kool-aid even if they don't take an LT?

gotta break a few eggs, you know.


:)

[TRR]

You draft Okung and put him at RT day one. If Albert falters, then you swing Okung over during the bye week or in 2011. Albert and Okung would be great bookends for the next several years.

If we could add another Guard or Center, the OLine would be set.
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[The Franchise]

I'll shit myself if Pioli actually drafts Berry at #5. I have a sinking feeling that the Bucs are going to take him at #3.

[The Franchise]

You draft Okung and put him at RT day one. If Albert falters, then you swing Okung over during the bye week or in 2011. Albert and Okung would be great bookends for the next several years.

If we could add another Guard or Center, the OLine would be set.
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:spock:STFU

[TRR]

:spock:STFU

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[The Franchise]

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Drafting Okung and putting him at RT? A waste of money.

Drafting Okung and moving Albert to G? A waste of talent.

Moving Albert to RT? He lost 30-40 lbs so that he could play LT with technique. Moving him to RT would = FAIL.

[TRR]

Drafting Okung and putting him at RT? A waste of money.

Drafting Okung and moving Albert to G? A waste of talent.

Moving Albert to RT? He lost 30-40 lbs so that he could play LT with technique. Moving him to RT would = FAIL.

We agree on ALL of your points. My post was simply stating that IF KC did indeed draft Okung, the world would not come to an end, and IT WOULD improve the team.
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[DaKCMan AP]

You draft Okung and put him at RT day one. If Albert falters, then you swing Okung over during the bye week or in 2011. Albert and Okung would be great bookends for the next several years.

If we could add another Guard or Center, the OLine would be set.
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How many teams in the NFL spend 1st round draft picks on both LT and RT?

[Micjones]

Chad Jones would be a great pick in the 2nd Round if we miss out on Berry.

[Mastashake]

I don't think any of the top 10 players in this draft WOULDN'T improve this team. Even Spiller, who IMO has the least advantage for this team (we already have Charles), would still help out somewhat.

[The Franchise]

We agree on ALL of your points. My post was simply stating that IF KC did indeed draft Okung, the world would not come to an end, and IT WOULD improve the team.
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The world wouldn't come to an end....no....I agree with you there. But I don't see it improving the team. Okung would have to be light years better than Albert for the pick to be worth it. Albert would then have to gain the 30 lbs back and move somewhere else....which would screw up his development.

[DaKCMan AP]

Chad Jones would be a great pick in the 2nd Round if we miss out on Berry.

Negative. I wouldn't draft Chad Jones before the 3rd round. There is much better talent available in round 2 than Chad Jones. I'd rather grab Major Wright in the 4th or Myron Lewis in the 5th than Jones in the 2nd. Hell, even Myron Rolle in the 6th would be better value.

[Chris Meck]

I find it frustrating that the only two positions pretty much on the ENTIRE team that no draftee would be an upgrade at is where so many people want to spend the #5 pick.

Spiller is not a needed upgrade at RB. Okung is not a needed upgrade at LT, and a RT at #5 is horrible value. Moving Albert again is dumb.

Other than those two positions, anywhere else is ripe for an upgrade.

[Micjones]

Negative. I wouldn't draft Chad Jones before the 3rd round. There is much better talent available in round 2 than Chad Jones. I'd rather grab Major Wright in the 4th or Myron Lewis in the 5th than Jones in the 2nd. Hell, even Myron Rolle in the 6th would be better value.

Really?

Jones is probably one of the three best Safeties in this draft class.
No way I'd take a considerably slower Safety (with inferior ball-skills), in Rolle, over him.
Major Wright might be the only Safety on your list I'd settle for... But I'd take Jones first from that bunch every time.

The only Safeties I'd take ahead of him would be Berry, Mays and maybe Earl Thomas (who is way undersized).

[DaKCMan AP]

Really?

Jones is probably one of the three best Safeties in this draft class.

Jones is big and physical but isn't very fast and I wouldn't define him as being very fluid. He's good, but I'd rather have Berry, Thomas, Mays and Nate Allen before Jones. I also think the value of getting Major Wright later in the draft is better than getting Jones in round 2. I'd much rather get a guy like Brandon Spikes or one of the DTs if they fall in the 2nd. The talent disparity between them and the guys available later on is much greater.

[DaKCMan AP]

Really?

Jones is probably one of the three best Safeties in this draft class.
No way I'd take a considerably slower Safety (with inferior ball-skills), in Rolle, over him.
Major Wright might be the only Safety on your list I'd settle for... But I'd take Jones first from that bunch every time.

The only Safeties I'd take ahead of him would be Berry, Mays and maybe Earl Thomas (who is way undersized).

I'm not saying I'd take Rolle over Jones straight up. But if it's between Jones in round 2 and Rolle in round 6, give me Rolle. You also don't see to know what you're talking about in referencing Rolle being 'considerably slower'. Not so. Chad Jones runs nearly a 4.55-4.6. Rolle is faster, at worst.

[TRR]

The world wouldn't come to an end....no....I agree with you there. But I don't see it improving the team. Okung would have to be light years better than Albert for the pick to be worth it. Albert would then have to gain the 30 lbs back and move somewhere else....which would screw up his development.

What? While I agree that a RT is not a smart pick at #5, it is still a GIGANTIC need on this team. O'Callaghan who gave up four sacks last season was a blessing...and he wasn't very good.

Okung would be a huge improvement over anything on the roster. Quality bookends are very important. Saying Okung wouldn't improve the team is simply idiotic.

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[Priest31kc]

I'll shit myself if Pioli actually drafts Berry at #5. I have a sinking feeling that the Bucs are going to take him at #3.

me too.

[DaKCMan AP]

What? While I agree that a RT is not a smart pick at #5, it is still a GIGANTIC need on this team. O'Callaghan who gave up four sacks last season was a blessing...and he wasn't very good.

Okung would be a huge improvement over anything on the roster. Quality bookends are very important. Saying Okung wouldn't improve the team is simply idiotic.

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How many teams in the NFL spend 1st round draft picks on both LT and RT?

[SDChiefs]

you can easily move Ablert and put Okung at LT

You can easily bench Charles and start Spiller. But thats not upgrading. Drafting a LT to replace a really good LT with upside is not upgrading. Its a lateral move at best.

[Micjones]

Jones is big and physical but isn't very fast and I wouldn't define him as being very fluid. He's good, but I'd rather have Berry, Thomas, Mays and Nate Allen before Jones. I also think the value of getting Major Wright later in the draft is better than getting Jones in round 2. I'd much rather get a guy like Brandon Spikes or one of the DTs if they fall in the 2nd. The talent disparity between them and the guys available later on is much greater.

We have two picks in the 2nd Round.
We can get Jones and still nab Spikes.

[Brock]

Okung would be a huge improvement over anything on the roster.

Okung wouldn't be a huge improvement over Albert, if any at all. We have a career day defense on the field every sunday and all some people can talk about is replacing Albert, or at least moving him. No. No ****ing way.

[DaKCMan AP]

We have two picks in the 2nd Round.
We can get Jones and still nab Spikes.

I realize that. I'd like to spend 2a on defense (preferably a LB, DT, Taylor Mays or if someone unreal slips) and 2b on Maurkice Pouncey.

[Micjones]

I'm not saying I'd take Rolle over Jones straight up. But if it's between Jones in round 2 and Rolle in round 6, give me Rolle. You also don't see to know what you're talking about in referencing Rolle being 'considerably slower'. Not so. Chad Jones runs nearly a 4.55-4.6. Rolle is faster, at worst.

Jones has run the 40 in under 4.5 in the past. I believe he's posted a 4.45.
Rolle's 40 times, according to the reports I've read, seem to hover around 4.6-4.7.

[Micjones]

I realize that. I'd like to spend 2a on defense (preferably a LB, DT, Taylor Mays or if someone unreal slips) and 2b on Maurkice Pouncey.

To play what Center or Guard?

I kinda like the idea of Vladimir Ducasse in Round 2, but I feel like this team has options at the Guard spots. I'm fine with the first three picks going to the defense.

[TRR]

Okung wouldn't be a huge improvement over Albert, if any at all. We have a career day defense on the field every sunday and all some people can talk about is replacing Albert, or at least moving him. No. No ****ing way.

Read my post again. I didn't say Okung was an improvement over Albert. I said Okung was an upgrade to the line with Albert, not instead of him.

Two young players like Okung and Albert on the O Line regardless of what position they are playing, IS AN UPGRADE.

The arguement isn't Albert over Okung. Its Albert AND Okung.
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[DrRyan]

You can easily bench Charles and start Spiller. But thats not upgrading. Drafting a LT to replace a really good LT with upside is not upgrading. Its a lateral move at best.

Very well put.

[DaKCMan AP]

Jones has run the 40 in under 4.5 in the past. I believe he's posted a 4.45.
Rolle's 40 times, according to the reports I've read, seem to hover around 4.6-4.7.

What I've seen from both ranges between 4.5 and 4.6. We'll find out in February.

According to his Web site, his time in the 40-yard dash was 4.55 while at FSU but is now 4.42.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/seminoles/ex-fsu-safety-and-rhodes-scholar-myron-rolle-181405.html

[DaKCMan AP]

To play what Center or Guard?

I kinda like the idea of Vladimir Ducasse in Round 2, but I feel like this team has options at the Guard spots. I'm fine with the first three picks going to the defense.

Center.

[DaKCMan AP]

The arguement isn't Albert over Okung. Its Albert AND Okung.
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How many teams in the NFL spend 1st round draft picks on both LT and RT?

[TRR]

How many teams in the NFL spend 1st round draft picks on both LT and RT?

I don't know? Look it up. I'm not an advocate for drafting Okung at #5. I am simply saying he would be an improvement on the line.
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[Micjones]

Center.

Hard to argue with that then. We obviously need an upgrade at Center...

[Brock]

I don't know? Look it up. I'm not an advocate for drafting Okung at #5. I am simply saying he would be an improvement on the line.
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You can say that about nearly any position on this team with any of the top 20 prospects in this draft.

[Mastashake]

You can say that about nearly any position on this team with any of the top 20 prospects in this draft.

EXACTLY!!!

[suds79]

How many teams in the NFL spend 1st round draft picks on both LT and RT?

Thank you for point this out.

I just don't get the line of thought.

Brandon Albert had a real good rookie season. A bad 1st half of this season and I'd say decent to good 2nd half season. And we're willing to kick a mid 1st round pick in at Guard? A position that can be typically filled with mid to late rounders? WTF?

Our tackle positions are so far down the list in order of need right now. I don't see how one could justify spending our top pick on one.

NT, LB (inside or outside) take your pick), WR, Safety, interior O-line are all in much greater need right now.

[HemiEd]

Negative. I wouldn't draft Chad Jones before the 3rd round. There is much better talent available in round 2 than Chad Jones. I'd rather grab Major Wright in the 4th or Myron Lewis in the 5th than Jones in the 2nd. Hell, even Myron Rolle in the 6th would be better value.

I don't believe they have a 6th or 7th left.

[L.A. Chieffan]

tebow

[TRR]

Thank you for point this out.

I just don't get the line of thought.

Brandon Albert had a real good rookie season. A bad 1st half of this season and I'd say decent to good 2nd half season. And we're willing to kick a mid 1st round pick in at Guard? A position that can be typically filled with mid to late rounders? WTF?

Our tackle positions are so far down the list in order of need right now. I don't see how one could justify spending our top pick on one.

NT, LB (inside or outside) take your pick), WR, Safety, interior O-line are all in much greater need right now.

This is hypothetical, but what if Albert falters again at LT? I guess I don't advocate the drafting of a RT that high, but it would be nice to have two quality bookends with a backup plan in case Albert regresses.

I'd like the pick of Okung more than the pick of Tyson Jackson last season...although that's not saying much.
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[DaKCMan AP]

I don't believe they have a 6th or 7th left.

We don't have a 7th but I think we have a 6th.

[SDChiefs]

We don't have a 7th but I think we have a 6th.

We traded the 6th for Dookie and whats his ****

[RUSH]

How many teams in the NFL spend 1st round draft picks on both LT and RT?

Carolina is the only one that comes to mind. Don't like it, but it has been done.

[Brock]

Carolina is the only one that comes to mind. Don't like it, but it has been done.

At least they waited 5 years before they did that.

[DaKCMan AP]

We traded the 6th for Dookie and whats his ****

You are correct. Then use our extra 5th from Carolina.

[WildTurkey]

we could be the first team in the NFL to build an entire team of lineman... I don't think we would lose a game ever

[arizonachief]

Eric Berry, Eric Berry, Eric Berry

[suds79]

This is hypothetical, but what if Albert falters again at LT?

While that's possible, I think it's up in the air. Keep in mind he played better the 2nd half of this last season.

So maybe we'll need a LT. Maybe not. We'll find out.

What we know is that we're much worse in those other positions I listed... That's the way I see it.

[TRR]

While that's possible, I think it's up in the air. Keep in mind he played better the 2nd half of this last season.

So maybe we'll need a LT. Maybe not. We'll find out.

What we know is that we're much worse in those other positions I listed... That's the way I see it.

I would say its an equal need to WR and OLB, but I agree with you in the fact that interior lineman, inside linebackers, and safety are more pressing.

I am alright with going into the season with Bowe and Chambers as the starting WRs, and Hali and Vrabel on the outside. I'm not alright with O'Callaghan starting again...
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[Coogs]

I'm not alright with O'Callaghan starting again...


There should be a couple of pretty fair RT's later in the draft.

[beach tribe]

I will do back flips if we get Berry, and Cody with one of our seconds.
I think Cody is going to be a hell of a NT.

[Pushead2]

I just hope whoever the Chiefs draft has a MAJOR impact right from the start, the team could use something like that. Bowe in his rookie year was a good thing, it brings a little attitude into the games. Just years & years of "developing players" has grown old with no results.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Because he's a little bitch and we don't need him. If the Chiefs draft any other position besides a lineman on either side of the ball in round 1 then we ****ed up.


And now, ROR Theater presents, "A Statement Even Dumber Than That Provided By Tuckdaddy":

"We should trade all of our draft picks to Cincinnati, so that we may reacquire the rights to Larry Johnson".

Yes, quite so, and thank you for tuning in. Please join us next week.

[BIG_DADDY]

All I have to say is if we don't use our 1st draft choice on the OL I am going to be hacked.

[milkman]

All I have to say is if we don't use our 1st draft choice on the OL I am going to be hacked.

So you'd be okay with using the #5 overall on a RT?

[Chiefaholic]

I think our biggest need on the O-Line is Center which could be upgraded in the 3rd round. Then LG which could be had with one of our 5th rounders. Our top three picks need to fill the teams biggest needs which in my opinion are safety, DT, MLB, and WR.

[Chiefaholic]

So you'd be okay with using the #5 overall on a RT?



I wouldn't even draft a RT unless it's one of the late 5th rounders we have. Getting a center in there that can hold his ground will make the O-Line as a unit look a lot better.

[Brock]

All I have to say is if we don't use our 1st draft choice on the OL I am going to be hacked.

Yep, because this shit-sucking defense the Chiefs have had for the past 10 YEARS isn't a big enough problem to deal with.

[salame]

I'm cakn patna

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/johnson%20and%20girls.jpg

[-King-]

I would say its an equal need to WR and OLB, but I agree with you in the fact that interior lineman, inside linebackers, and safety are more pressing.

I am alright with going into the season with Bowe and Chambers as the starting WRs, and Hali and Vrabel on the outside. I'm not alright with O'Callaghan starting again...
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I would shoot Pioli in the face if vrabel ever started a game here
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[The Bad Guy]

I would say its an equal need to WR and OLB, but I agree with you in the fact that interior lineman, inside linebackers, and safety are more pressing.

I am alright with going into the season with Bowe and Chambers as the starting WRs, and Hali and Vrabel on the outside. I'm not alright with O'Callaghan starting again...
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Did you watch Mike Vrabel last year?

How could anyone be OK with him starting again?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Did you watch Mike Vrabel last year?

How could anyone be OK with him starting again?

No kidding.

I really wonder sometimes what people are actually seeing when they watch games.

[Easy 6]

Like others, i cannot understand this desire for a LT... no, Albert hasnt taken over the world yet, but he's good enough, with time to grow & this team has enough glaring issues elsewhere, that LT should be one of the very last players on the wish list.

**** that.

[Chiefnj2]

How could anyone be OK with him starting again?

Doesn't that apply to everyone except Flowers, Succop, Colquitt, Charles and then arguably Dorsey, Hali and Albert?

[Brock]

and then arguably Dorsey, Hali and Albert?

No.

[Chiefnj2]

No.

You aren't okay with Dorsey, Albert and Hali starting?

[Brock]

You aren't okay with Dorsey, Albert and Hali starting?

Sorry, I misread what you were saying.

[Rausch]

You aren't okay with Dorsey, Albert and Hali starting?

Hali is the only man playing like a former 1st rounder.

And I'll admit, he's the one guy I had the least amount of hope for...

[RealSNR]

We need to improve the offensive line.

It's more important that if we improve the O-line, though, we draft players that have good value.

There are tons of good prospects in the 2nd round and beyond. Players of Eric Berry and Rolando McClain's caliber, however, will not be there.

[RedThat]

My prediction, the Chiefs are going to draft Oline.

Even though I do think they should head in the direction of drafting defense, I see that in the later rounds possibly 2nd, 3rd or 4th round?

What makes me say Oline? I simply believe that is where their minds are. It is mainly due to the fact that Haley expressed his concerns about Albert at times during the season. It is evident because a lot of us seen it here where Haley hinted Albert's position could be somewhere else on the Oline.

And I don't see Cody being of interest to the Chiefs. Pioli hinted that when he compared him to Wilfork. Pioli had more praise for Wilfork than he did for Cody.

*If we know the Patriots well enough, they had a tendency to make a lot of moves that weren't EXACTLY popular amongst the fans. They are also known for emphasizing their focus towards lineman.

[Brock]

*If we know the Patriots well enough, they had a tendency to make a lot of moves that weren't EXACTLY popular amongst the fans. They are also known for emphasizing their focus towards lineman.


Are you sure they're known for emphasizing their focus toward linemen?

[RedThat]

Are you sure they're known for emphasizing their focus toward linemen?

I think so. Im going by draft history here.

If you look at their past history its proven they've focused a lot towards both the offensive and defensive lines.

3 of their first round picks were defensive lineman. Seymour, Wilfork, and Warren.

And most of the offensive line was built through the draft. Mankins, Light, Koppen, Kaczur.

A lot of their focus is towards guys in the trenches. mind you, some of those guys weren't 1st rounders, but, we can still see they relied heavily on the draft in building both the offensive and defensive lines.

[Brock]

And even offensive line Mankins, Light, Koppen, Kaczur.

A lot of their focus is towards guys in the trenches. mind you, some of those guys weren't 1st rounders, but, we can still see they relied heavily on the draft in building both the offensive and defensive lines.

They have one first rounder on their offensive line, and barely a first rounder at that. They emphasize defensive line high in the draft, not offensive line.

[Micjones]

Offensive Line should be addressed in the Draft. Not with the #1. But it'd be nice to add a Vlad Ducasse, Maurkice Pouncey or J.D. Walton to that group.

[salame]

New England's O-line isn't really that good
it's not like minnesota or baltimore

[Rausch]

New England's O-line isn't really that good
it's not like new orleans' or minnesota

No, it isn't.

They rely a lot on Brady getting rid of the ball.

Just like Payed-a-ton.

In fact these two teams might have the WORST offensive lines ever to win multiple titles...

[Brock]

New England's O-line isn't really that good
it's not like new orleans' or minnesota

It's good enough that Brady isn't sacked very much.

[salame]

It's good enough that Brady isn't sacked very much.

Don't tell him that.

[RedThat]

They have one first rounder on their offensive line, and barely a first rounder at that. They emphasize defensive line high in the draft, not offensive line.

Well, I just said, some of those guys on the Oline weren't first rounders.

But I don't think anybody can argue that they place their focus on both offensive and defensive lines when it comes to drafting.

There are no DL that are going to be picked by the Chiefs in the first round anyway? the best one Ndamukong Suh will be off the board, and so will Gerald McCoy. And even if they fell to us we ain't picking anyone of them because we already invested heavily on Dorsey and Jackson. Realistically, could you see the Chiefs drafting Cody at 5? I don't think he fits the mold of the prototypical 3-4 NT that would excel in Crennel's defense. And even if he fell to the Chiefs lap in the 2nd rd I don't think they take him. But either way Im expecting them to pick lineman on both sides of the ball. Imo, I think they're going to go by best lineman available when they pick, and that is Okung.

Or, maybe they could possibly trade down.

[Brock]

OL is not where the talent lies in the upper part of this draft. This draft should be about defense.

[Micjones]

I would really like to see the Chiefs come away with 2 LB's. One Inside...One Outside.
If Berry isn't there... A Rolando McClain/Eric Norwood combo would be NICE.

[RedThat]

OL is not where the talent lies in the upper part of this draft. This draft should be about defense.

I agree they should fix the defense, but I believe they could do that with their later picks. I believe there are going to be some pretty decent rushbackers available in the 2nd round.

[Micjones]

I agree they should fix the defense, but I believe they could do that with their later picks. I believe there are going to be some pretty decent rushbackers available in the 2nd round.

3rd Round even. Norwood should be there...

[philfree]

Jones is big and physical but isn't very fast and I wouldn't define him as being very fluid. He's good, but I'd rather have Berry, Thomas, Mays and Nate Allen before Jones. I also think the value of getting Major Wright later in the draft is better than getting Jones in round 2. I'd much rather get a guy like Brandon Spikes or one of the DTs if they fall in the 2nd. The talent disparity between them and the guys available later on is much greater.

I would really like to see the Chiefs come away with 2 LB's. One Inside...One Outside.
If Berry isn't there... A Rolando McClain/Eric Norwood combo would be NICE.

McClain and Graham would be my preference. We need to find a way to draft McClain, Dan Williams and Brandon Graham. That'd go a long way in fixing our front seven.


PhilFree:arrow:

[Pitt Gorilla]

Any chance Iupati falls to the 2nd round?

[BIG_DADDY]

So you'd be okay with using the #5 overall on a RT?

Best overall O lineman we can get with that pick.

[philfree]

Any chance Iupati falls to the 2nd round?

IMO there is a chance he does. The way Mayock was pointing our his propensity to hold couldn't have helped his stock. It might not matter .....:shrug:

PhilFree:arrow:

[Pitt Gorilla]

IMO there is a chance he does. The way Mayock was pointing our his propensity to hold couldn't have helped his stock. It might not matter .....:shrug:

PhilFree:arrow:He'd be a steal in rd 2, IMO.

[Micjones]

McClain and Graham would be my preference. We need to find a way to draft McClain, Dan Williams and Brandon Graham. That'd go a long way in fixing our front seven.


PhilFree:arrow:

I'm a little worried about Williams.
They say the kid isn't much of a self-starter and often struggles with staying in shape. He's uber-talented, but we can't afford to miss on another Day 1 Defensive Lineman.

Maybe we could nab a guy like Torrell Troup later in the Draft?

[michaelj_58]

i think we need a center,neiuswinger got pushed all over the field

[Chiefnj2]

i think we need a center,neiuswinger got pushed all over the field

Too bad on paper it's not a very good draft for centers.

[Micjones]

There are a couple Centers I wouldn't mind drafting.
Pouncey... Walton...

[The Franchise]

Best overall O lineman we can get with that pick.

That is dumb as fuck. Let's keep drafting offensive linemen until our front 5 is filled with 1st rounders!!!!!

What? We need other positions!? It all starts with the trenches!!!!! YOU HAVE TO DRAFT O-LINE IN THE 1ST ROUND!!!!! :rolleyes:

[milkman]

Best overall O lineman we can get with that pick.

That would probably be Mike Iapatu.

So you would be okay even drafting a guard at 5.

But even if we draft Okung, if he and Albert go into camp competing for the LT spot, my money says that Albert wins the battle, because, in spite of the fact that Okung is being touted as the best LT prospect in this draft, I just don't see him playing LT in the NFL.

He was consistently pushed straight back into Zac Robinson in pass protect, even though they were running the spread and Robinson was getting the ball out quickly.

On the NFL level, the guys he would be facing are more talented than most of the guys he faced in school.

Albert really made strides in the last quarter of the season, and if he dedicated himself to continuing to work on his technique through the offseason, he should really start to play to his potential, which is greater than Okung's.

[Chiefnj2]

That is dumb as ****. Let's keep drafting offensive linemen until our front 5 is filled with 1st rounders!!!!!


Why do people act like KC uses a lot of early draft picks on OL??

[milkman]

Why do people act like KC uses a lot of early draft picks on OL??

I could be wrong, but I don't believe that is what he is saying.

[TEX]

That is dumb as ****. Let's keep drafting offensive linemen until our front 5 is filled with 1st rounders!!!!!

What? We need other positions!? It all starts with the trenches!!!!! YOU HAVE TO DRAFT O-LINE IN THE 1ST ROUND!!!!! :rolleyes:

Ok by me.

[alanm]

Who in the draft might help the Chiefs?

Don't know if it will hold up this year but it usually seems that the players that would help the Chiefs end up on other teams rosters. ROFL :spock:

[WildTurkey]

That is dumb as ****. Let's keep drafting offensive linemen until our front 5 is filled with 1st rounders!!!!!

What? We need other positions!? It all starts with the trenches!!!!! YOU HAVE TO DRAFT O-LINE IN THE 1ST ROUND!!!!! :rolleyes:

yeah who needs playmakers when you have the world's greatest offensive line.... Okung or Bust :shake:

[Mecca]

Every single year half the forum and the majority of the fan base want to take an offensive linemen, it gets monotonous I believe is his point.

[Saccopoo]

Every single year half the forum and the majority of the fan base want to take an offensive linemen, it gets monotonous I believe is his point.

I don't think that half of this board wants an OL guy. Most people around here want the flavor of the last college season - Sanchez, Gholston and now it looks like McClain is that guy since Musberger said he likes to watch game film - which means that it's now okay to draft a linebacker (especially a middle linebacker) with a top five pick. (And if I remember correctly, Lauranitaitis was also a huge game film junkie and defensive team leader, but he didn't get to play for the National Championship so people didn't know that and subsequently jump on his jock.)

There's a handful of people around here that already have insane level tunnel vision on McClain.

There has only been one or two people on the CP that actually understand the value and importance of a good left tackle and who have advocated the selection of a guy like Okung with the pick.

Shit, there are still people who want to draft a goddamn quarterback - in this draft!!!!! - with the Chiefs pick. Fuck me.

[Mecca]

Most people have just accepted that McClain is probably going to be the pick.

[DeezNutz]

Albert sucks, so I hope that we draft a guy who is not even the caliber of prospect that Albert was.

[Mecca]

Watch, Sacc is going to lose his mind because I guarantee that the OT that Todd Haley will blow his wad over is Charles Brown who could be had by trading back up into the end of the 1st round...

[salame]

IF the chiefs do draft an o-tackle will people defend him the level of homerism given to albert if the new draft pick struggles?
What about berry? will he be defended if he struggles?

[Mecca]

IF the chiefs do draft an o-tackle will people defend him the level of homerism given to albert if the new draft pick struggles?
What about berry? will he be defended if he struggles?

Depends on the poster, I'm sure you can find someone who'll say Tyson Jackson was a good pick.

[DeezNutz]

IF the chiefs do draft an o-tackle will people defend him the level of homerism given to albert if the new draft pick struggles?
What about berry? will he be defended if he struggles?

People defer to elite talent, and players who have done special things in college. That's why most (well, a lot) of the posters around here were NOT critical of Dorsey after year #1. Dude is a special talent.

Same thing would apply to Berry. He's rare, so if he struggles early, the expectation will be that he'll improve.

This place might as well close down for a few days if Pioli takes a LT. The drafted player himself will be an afterthought to the mountain of hatred spewed at Pioli.

Because, despite what some are saying, that would be a monumentally stupid thing to do with our first rounder.

#3 and #5 and we walk away with a 5 tech and a RT. No fucking way, right?

[Mecca]

If we really take an OT with the first pick that should tell everyone that Scott Pioli gives 2 shits about any foundation players he inherited.

[salame]

I doubt they take an OT it just seems like Albert is looked at through homer colored glasses

[DeezNutz]

I doubt they take an OT it just seems like Albert is looked at through homer colored glasses

It's true that his biggest supporters on this site are also the most unabashed homers. Fucking Kool-Aid drinkers.

[WildTurkey]

I would honestly hope that with the #5 pick we take a "core" player for this franchise... we need a young difference maker... Okung may be a good OT but IMO I don't believe he's the kind of player that warrants that pick

[Mecca]

It's pretty foolish to write a guy off after 2 years of playing his position when those 2 years have involved 2 different coaching staffs, 2 different schemes, being asked to lose a significant amount of weight etc etc.

[WildTurkey]

It's pretty foolish to write a guy off after 2 years of playing his position when those 2 years have involved 2 different coaching staffs, 2 different schemes, being asked to lose a significant amount of weight etc etc.

Albert obviously has the talent to be a very good LT I think this upcoming year is his make or break year which IMO would make it very stupid to act too quickly by moving him to a new position

[Saccopoo]

Albert sucks, so I hope that we draft a guy who is not even the caliber of prospect that Albert was.

...

Okung is a better LT prospect than Albert. By far.

Look, I hope all those guys from that draft (that are left) pull it together, especially Albert. But he hasn't looked good in two seasons of starting at LT. His footwork isn't very good and he has a slow reaction time. He lunges at guys rather than controlling them. He can't get his top around to be effective on speed rushes and is constantly out of position on inside bull rushes. From what I've seen, he looks out of position and would most likely benefit from getting moved inside and work inside the "phone booth" to take advantage of his bulk and strength.

And unlike other positions, the offensive line needs/requires five players. It's not like we are just chalk full of talent there. We need upgrades at a lot more positions on the OL than most people around here seem to realize. A lot of people seem to have this failed notion of thinking that since we picked Albert two years ago as a LT project that he's working out just fine and we don't need to address that position or try to upgrade the rest of the offensive line. That it would be a waste to pick another offensive line guy in the first round because we picked a guy there two years ago.

After this past season, that was the position that looked like it needed the most help. But if you think the OL is fine and doesn't need an upgrade, then I guess it's good to go then, correct?

[KCrockaholic]

It's pretty foolish to write a guy off after 2 years of playing his position when those 2 years have involved 2 different coaching staffs, 2 different schemes, being asked to lose a significant amount of weight etc etc.

Did somebody say Glenn Dorsey?

[Mecca]

I have a hard time taking Saccs evaluations seriously after 2 guys he pimped really hard got raped for the entire week of the senior bowl.

[WildTurkey]

...

Okung is a better LT prospect than Albert. By far.

Look, I hope all those guys from that draft (that are left) pull it together, especially Albert. But he hasn't looked good in two seasons of starting at LT. His footwork isn't very good and he has a slow reaction time. He lunges at guys rather than controlling them. He can't get his top around to be effective on speed rushes and is constantly out of position on inside bull rushes. From what I've seen, he looks out of position and would most likely benefit from getting moved inside and work inside the "phone booth" to take advantage of his bulk and strength.

And unlike other positions, the offensive line needs/requires five players. It's not like we are just chalk full of talent there. We need upgrades at a lot more positions on the OL than most people around here seem to realize. A lot of people seem to have this failed notion of thinking that since we picked Albert two years ago as a LT project that he's working out just fine and we don't need to address that position or try to upgrade the rest of the offensive line. That it would be a waste to pick another offensive line guy in the first round because we picked a guy there two years ago.

After this past season, that was the position that looked like it needed the most help. But if you think the OL is fine and doesn't need an upgrade, then I guess it's good to go then, correct?

Do we have to take an OT at # 5 to improve the O-line... is that our only draft pick?

[KCrockaholic]

We better not take Okung... If we want to draft a solid RT or awesome back-up LT, Vladimir Ducasse would be a steal in a mid round, maybe round 3.

[WildTurkey]

a lot of scouting reports I have read on Okung goes out of it's way to say how he is not an "elite" OT... if you're taking one that high he better ****ing be elite

[Mecca]

Those reports also go out of their way to say he's "not a great athlete" also, that's how I'd want my top 5 pick described.

[KCrockaholic]

Don't take a Lineman with a top 5 pick. Simple rule, not even an LT. These guys can be found pretty easily in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

[WildTurkey]

Don't take a Lineman with a top 5 pick. Simple rule, not even an LT. These guys can be found pretty easily in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

especially in a year where it's weak at the top of the OT class.... if it's Joe Thomas or Jon Ogden then I don't have as big of a problem

[KCrockaholic]

especially in a year where it's weak at the top of the OT class.... if it's Joe Thomas or Jon Ogden then I don't have as big of a problem

Guys like Bulaga and Ducasse will be available and will be better value than wasting a top 5 pick.

Bulaga will be a first rounder. But he will be a mid first rounder which is where he should be.

[Saccopoo]

There are a couple Centers I wouldn't mind drafting.
Pouncey... Walton...

Matt Tennant is a stud. Eric Olsen has been a beast at the center spot this year as well, and John Estes might be the most underrated player in the draft. I think that there are some good center prospects in this draft.

[Saccopoo]

Watch, Sacc is going to lose his mind because I guarantee that the OT that Todd Haley will blow his wad over is Charles Brown who could be had by trading back up into the end of the 1st round...

I'd be plenty pissed off if we gave up our two seconds for Brown for sure. Especially when a guy like Pouncey should be there at the top of the second when we pick. I wouldn't mind picking him at the top of the second if we didn't get Okung in the first (because I don't like Davis as he's shown motivational problems in the past or Campbell as he's a project in the Albert mode), but not at the expense of pissing away a valuable second rounder to do it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Who is that in WildTurkey's sig?

[Saccopoo]

I doubt they take an OT it just seems like Albert is looked at through homer colored glasses

It's not homer coloured glasses that he's being looked at - it's Eric Berry/Rolando McClain coloured glasses. They don't want to consider an offensive lineman because that would deprive them of a guy who would have the opportunity of being on Sports Center with a bone jarring hit. Albert is good enough because offensive linemen never are on Sports Center, regardless of the fact that they have the second most important job on the team.

OL guys never give people the veritable "bang for the buck" visuals that the other positions give, thus it's not a sexy pick.

[Saccopoo]

I have a hard time taking Saccs evaluations seriously after 2 guys he pimped really hard got raped for the entire week of the senior bowl.

They got coached by the Lions staff. It's not their fault.

[Saccopoo]

Don't take a Lineman with a top 5 pick. Simple rule, not even an LT. These guys can be found pretty easily in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

That's a bad argument as that can be said for any and all positions into the seventh round and beyond to even free agency. And seeing that LT is the second most important position on the field, it's actually why you see a lot of teams take a LT in the top five nearly every year.

Personally, I don't think that Okung is even going to be there for the Chiefs to pick at #5, and neither will Berry. They'll make another Jackson like pick and select McClain who is solid but unspectacular. It's a safe pick at a position that probably doesn't merit a top five pick. And I'm sure that they will want to trade down, but might get caught like they did last year.

We could get surprised by Dez Bryant, but if Okung, McCoy, Suh and Berry are off the board (and it's a pretty good chance they will be), I'm assuming that McClain will be the pick.

[doomy3]

Who is that in WildTurkey's sig?

It looks like Marissa Miller.

[Mecca]

I know Sacc loves Zane Beadles and he spent the entire week verifying that he's a guard and possibly not even a starting one.

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't take a Lineman with a top 5 pick. Simple rule, not even an LT. These guys can be found pretty easily in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Yeah, that Clady sucks ass.

So does Joe Thomas and D'Brickashaw Ferguson. And Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden were wasted picks, as was Tony Boselli.

:rolleyes:

[Mecca]

But at the same time there are several teams without any first round offensive linemen that are doing just fine.

[Saccopoo]

I know Sacc loves Zane Beadles and he spent the entire week verifying that he's a guard and possibly not even a starting one.

Ryan Sims had a terrific senior bowl week so that doesn't necessarily mean the end all be all. I'm standing on game day performance. Beadles is going to be a good pro and so is Ciron Black.

[salame]

sacc I'm sorry but Beadle got RAN over a couple times

[WildTurkey]

It looks like Marissa Miller.

yes it most certainly is.... I don't think it's a reach to take an elite LT in the top 5.... but there isn't anyone that fits that bill in this.... Okung is not a Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, Jon Ogden type of guy... I do agree with Sacc on one thing though I think Beadles will be a solid pro, he's versatile, maybe not an elite guy but I think he he could be a decent starter on the right side

[WildTurkey]

Yeah, that Clady sucks ass.

So does Joe Thomas and D'Brickashaw Ferguson. And Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden were wasted picks, as was Tony Boselli.

:rolleyes:

Clady wasn't a top 5 pick, but I agree if there is an elite OT available there is no problem with taking him

[Mecca]

I wouldn't have a problem taking an OT with a top 5 pick if he was thought to be a true elite can't miss guy, there hasn't been one of those for a couple years though.

[WildTurkey]

I wouldn't have a problem taking an OT with a top 5 pick if he was thought to be a true elite can't miss guy, there hasn't been one of those for a couple years though.

Joe Thomas was the last one I can think of.... I guess you could count Jake Long but I was never too crazy about him

[Mecca]

I don't really like the idea of taking an OT this year high, hell I don't like taking McClain that high either with some of the other LB's.

Jamar Cheney is a perfect 3-4 LB and no one mentions him at all.

[Chiefnj2]

Every single year half the forum and the majority of the fan base want to take an offensive linemen, it gets monotonous I believe is his point.

I'd say half the forum is somewhat open minded about who to pick, while a few try to bully every one who disagrees with them.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'd say half the forum is somewhat open minded about who to pick, while a few try to bully every one who disagrees with them.

Again, you're full of shit.

This year, there really is no consensus other than the people that think it's batshit retarded to kick Albert to the curb after two years and pass on another playmaker. Probably the first year that people have given a list of players instead of being stuck to just one - Berry, McClain, Claussen, Bryant, etc.

And even then, it's something like 60% playmaker and 40% dumbasses who want a OT.

[milkman]

There has only been one or two people on the CP that actually understand the value and importance of a good left tackle and who have advocated the selection of a guy like Okung with the pick.

Almost no one is dismissing the value of a good LT.

What they are dismissing is the notion that Okung, or any of the other LTs in this draft has better potential than Albert, and that it would be a mistake to give up on Albert this soon.

Only you, and a handful of others, think that Okung has more potential, and quite frankly, you don't have a ****ing clue.

[Rausch]

Almost no one is dismissing the value of a good LT.

What they are dismissing is the notion that Okung, or any of the other LTs in this draft has better potential than Albert, and that it would be a mistake to give up on Albert this soon.

Only you, and a handful of others, think that Okung has more potential, and quite frankly, you don't have a ****ing clue.

I'd have no problem if we got a got deal to trade down and went OT/OG later on on in the first. In fact, I'd love to trade down and get as many picks as possible.

Problem is very few want to trade up and I doubt you'd see a great deal offered us...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Almost no one is dismissing the value of a good LT.

What they are dismissing is the notion that Okung, or any of the other LTs in this draft has better potential than Albert, and that it would be a mistake to give up on Albert this soon.

Only you, and a handful of others, think that Okung has more potential, and quite frankly, you don't have a ****ing clue.

This.

This guy reads what he wants to read.

I seriously think a mod should change his name to "FindTheOkung."

He's just about as bad.

[dallaschiefsfan]

I'd have no problem if we got a got deal to trade down and went OT/OG later on on in the first. In fact, I'd love to trade down and get as many picks as possible.

Problem is very few want to trade up and I doubt you'd see a great deal offered us...

I don't think you have to get the ideal value for our pick (from the pick value chart). If you truly believe you can get just as good a player at a better contract price further down, I have no problem letting someone underpay to move up. They will feel good about the deal they got while we get the player we wanted at a lower cost PLUS an extra pick (or two, depending on how far down you trade). I'm 100% in favor in enticing a team to move up for one of QB's at a reduced trade-price.