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OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 09:35 PM
Here's a list of all 228 players that will have gained unrestricted free agency in an uncapped season.

Difference makers in bold. There aren't many of them, and I wouldn't expect any of them to actually hit the open market with the exception of Julius Peppers. (Maybe TO)

The rest will likely be tagged (teams have an extra tag now) or be re-signed by their current club.

Weak crop, to say the least.


EDIT: Also, here is the list of RFA Tenders for 2010, listed in $M. Also added is the Franchise/Transition tag numbers for 2010.

RFA Tenders

Veterans with 3 accrued seasons:

3.043 - 1st & 3rd round compensation*
2.396 - 1st round compensation*
1.684 - 2nd round compensation*
1.101 - original round compensation*
1.101 - right of first refusal

Veterans with 4 accrued seasons:

3.168 - 1st & 3rd round compensation*
2.521 - 1st round compensation*
1.759 - 2nd round compensation*
1.176 - original round compensation*
1.176 - right of first refusal

Veterans with 5 accrued seasons:

3.268 - 1st & 3rd round compensation*
2.621 - 1st round compensation*
1.809 - 2nd round compensation*
1.226 - original round compensation*
1.226 - right of first refusal

* or 110% of the previous year's pay (whichever is higher)


Franchise/Transition Tag numbers:

CORNERBACK: $9.566 million (franchise), $8.056 million (transition)

DEFENSIVE END: $12.398m, $10.193m

DEFENSIVE TACKLE: $7.003m, $6.353m

LINEBACKER: $9.680m, $8.373m

OFFENSIVE LINE: $10.731m, $9.142m

PUNTER/KICKER: $2.814m, $2.629m

QUARTERBACK: $16.405m, $14.546m

RUNNING BACK: $8.156m, $7.151m

SAFETY: $6.455m, $6.011m

TIGHT END: $5.908m, $5.248m

WIDE RECEIVER: $9.521m, $8.651m


Here's the list of UFA's:

ARI Beisel, Monty OLB
ARI Becht, Anthony TE
ARI Berry, Bertrand OLB (Retiring)
ARI Bridges, Jeremy OG
ARI Brown, Ralph CB
ARI Dansby, Karlos ILB
ARI Gandy, Mike OT
ARI Kreider, Dan FB
ARI Morey, Sean WR
ARI Okeafor, Chike OLB
ARI Patrick, Ben TE
ARI Robinson, Bryan DT
ARI St. Pierre, Brian QB
ARI Ware, Matt SS
ARI Rackers, Neil K
ATL Booker, Marty WR
ATL Finneran, Brian WR
ATL Gilbert, Tony ILB
ATL Williams, Brian CB
ATL Zelenka, Joe LS
ATL Redman, Chris QB
ATL Schneck, Mike LS
ATL Stecker, Aaron RB
ATL Haynes, Verron FB
BAL Bannan, Justin DE
BAL Edwards, Dwan DE
BAL Ivy, Corey CB
BAL Mason, Derrick WR (Retiring)
BAL Smith, L. J. TE
BAL Tyree, David WR
BAL Walker, Frank CB
BAL Washington, Kelley WR
BUF Denney, Ryan DE
BUF Draft, Chris OLB
BUF McKinney, Seth OG
BUF Owens, Terrell WR
BUF Reed, Josh WR
BUF Scott, Bryan SS
BUF Simmons, Kendall OG
BUF Johnson, Todd FS
BUF Stamer, Josh OLB
CAR Brayton, Tyler DE
CAR Feeley, A. J. QB
CAR McCown, Josh QB
CAR Muhammad, Muhsin WR
CAR Peppers, Julius DE
CAR Thomas, Hollis DT
CAR Vincent, Keydrick OG
CAR Wesley, Dante CB
CHI McClover, Darrell OLB
CHI Ogunleye, Adewale DE
CHI Tinoisamoa, Pisa OLB
CHI Peterson, Adrian RB
CIN Kelly, Reggie TE
CIN Williams, Bobbie OG
CIN Williams, Roy SS
CIN Johnson, Tank DT
CIN Johnson, Larry RB
CIN Johnson, Jeremi FB
CIN Graham, Shayne K
CLE Furrey, Mike WR
CLE Gaines, Michael TE
CLE Hadnot, Rex OG
CLE Poteat, Hank FS
CLE Tucker, Ryan OT
CLE Yates, Billy OG
DAL Holland, Montrae OG
DEN Berger, Mitch P
DEN Fox, Vernon FS
DEN Gorin, Brandon OT
DEN Greisen, Nick ILB
DEN Hamilton, Ben OG
DEN Hochstein, Russ OG
DEN Holliday, Vonnie DE
DEN Lloyd, Brandon WR
DEN Law, Ty CB
DET Ciurciu, Vinny OLB
DET Cook, Damion OG
DET Culpepper, Daunte QB
DET FitzSimmons, Casey TE
DET Foote, Larry ILB
DET Heller, Will TE
DET Henry, Anthony CB
DET James, William CB
DET Jansen, Jon OT
DET Manuel, Marquand SS
DET Ramsey, Patrick QB
GB Clifton, Chad OT
GB Green, Ahman RB
GB Kampman, Aaron OLB
GB Pickett, Ryan DT
GB Tauscher, Mark OT
HOU Salaam, Ephraim OT
HOU Thompson, Chaun OLB
HOU Turk, Matt P
HOU Walter, Kevin WR
HOU Zgonina, Jeff DT
HOU Brown, Chris RB
HOU Campbel, Khary OLB
HOU Ferguson, Nick SS
HOU Grossman, Rex QB
HOU Pittman, Bryan LS
HOU Pitts, Chester OG
HOU Reyes, Tutan OG
HOU Robinson, Dunta CB
HOU Russell, Brian FS
IND Stover, Matt K
IND Brackett, Gary ILB
JAX Hayward, Reggie DE
JAX Wilford, Ernest TE
JAX Forney, Kynan OG
KC Wade, Bobby WR
KC Brown, Mike SS
KC Chambers, Chris WR
KC Copper, Terrance WR
KC Ryan, Sean TE
KC Smith, Wade OG
KC Vrabel, Mike OLB
MIA Ferguson, Jason DT
MIA Jones, Nathan CB
MIA Pennington, Chad QB
MIA Taylor, Jason OLB
MIN Hicks, Artis OT
MIN Kennedy, Jimmy DT
MIN Lewis, Greg WR
MIN Sapp, Benny CB
MIN Taylor, Chester RB
NE Neal, Stephen OG
NE Burgess, Derrick OLB
NE Faulk, Kevin RB
NE Green, Jarvis DE
NE Hanson, Chris P
NE Seau, Junior ILB
NE Watson, Benjamin TE
NE Wilfork, Vince DT
NE Bodden, Leigh CB
NO Leckey, Nick C
NO Miller, Billy TE
NO Brunell, Mark QB
NO Campbell, Dan TE
NO Clancy, Kendrick DT
NO Dinkins, Darnell TE
NO Fujita, Scott OLB
NO Harper, Roman SS
NO Sharper, Darren FS
NO Spicer, Paul DE
NO Torrence, Leigh CB
NO Kyle, Jason LS
NO Prioleau, Pierson SS
NYG Carr, David QB
NYG Clark, Danny OLB
NYG Feagles, Jeff P
NYG Robbins, Fred DT
NYJ Dearth, James LS
NYJ Douglas, Marques DE
NYJ Feely, Jay K
NYJ Fowler, Ryan ILB
NYJ Hartsock, Ben TE
NYJ Richardson, Tony FB
NYJ Izzo, Larry ILB
OAK Williams, Sam OLB
OAK Green, Cornell OT
OAK Janikowski, Sebastian K
OAK Joseph, William DT
OAK Seymour, Richard DE
OAK Wade, John C
OAK Walker, Langston OT
PHI Babin, Jason DE
PHI Jones, Sean FS
PHI Trotter, Jeremiah ILB
PHI White, Tracy OLB
SD Boone, Alfonso DE
SD Manumaleuna, Brandon TE
SD Norman, Dennis C
SD Osgood, Kassim WR
SD Runyan, Jon OT
SD Scott, Ian DT
SD Wilson, Kris TE
SEA Griffith, Justin FB
SEA Houser, Kevin LS
SEA Lewis, D. D. ILB
SEA Lucas, Ken CB
SEA Mare, Olindo K
SEA Mcintosh, Damion OT
SEA Milloy, Lawyer FS
SEA Redding, Cory DE
SEA Robinson, Jeff LS
SF Baas, David OG
SF Battle, Arnaz WR
SF Bly, Dre' CB
SF Harris, Walt CB
SF Roman, Mark FS
SF Sims, Barry OT
SF Ulbrich, Jeff ILB
SF Wilhelm, Matt ILB
SF Franklin, Aubrayo DT
SF Pashos, Tony OT
STL Boller, Kyle QB
STL Hall, James DE
STL Hart, Clinton SS
STL Lenon, Paris OLB
STL Little, Leonard DE
STL Massey, Chris LS
STL McMichael, Randy TE
TB Allen, Will FS
TB Bryant, Antonio WR
TB Crowell, Angelo OLB
TB Phillips, Jermaine FS
TB Wilkerson, Jimmy DE
TEN Amano, Eugene OG
TEN Amato, Ken LS
TEN Bulluck, Keith OLB
TEN Harper, Nick CB
TEN Hentrich, Craig P
TEN Hood, Rod CB
TEN Kaesviharn, Kevin FS
TEN Kearse, Jevon DE
TEN Mawae, Kevin C
TEN Nickey, Donnie SS
TEN Vanden Bosch, Kyle DE
TEN Crumpler, Alge TE
WAS Williams, Mike OG
WAS Albright, Ethan LS
WAS Daniels, Phillip DE
WAS Jones, Levi OT
WAS Smith, Hunter P
WAS Wynn, Renaldo DE
WAS Yoder, Todd TE

KCrockaholic
02-02-2010, 09:36 PM
Alright I guess Pioli needs to find our diamond in the rough.

KCrockaholic
02-02-2010, 09:37 PM
Jimmy Wilkerson? Uhh, welcome back! Larry Izzo will be a Chief soon.

cdcox
02-02-2010, 09:41 PM
I could take that list and put together a roster of 22 guys that could win 2 games next season, no problem.

The Bad Guy
02-02-2010, 09:42 PM
I honestly think Dansby and Peppers are the only 2 bolded players that hit the market.

Franklin is intriguing, but he's a lot like Grady Jackson to me. He played hard to get a contract, and now that he's going to get one, his play is going to diminish. The guy was horrid before this last season.

KCrockaholic
02-02-2010, 09:42 PM
I could take that list and put together a roster of 22 guys that could win 2 games next season, no problem.

actually, you could make a really good team if you put together some of these guys. QB would be the biggest problem.

CoMoChief
02-02-2010, 09:42 PM
still think we should sign T Rich.

L.A. Chieffan
02-02-2010, 09:43 PM
so wait, are you omitting guys that you think will get tagged?

KCrockaholic
02-02-2010, 09:43 PM
still think we should sign T Rich.

He could atleast show Cox a few things...

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I'd target Kevin Walter. Dude would be a nice #2, and he's young enough (29 this fall) to be a contributing player when this team contends.

Kyle DeLexus
02-02-2010, 09:46 PM
Each team also gets 3 tags IIRC....

Hog's Gone Fishin
02-02-2010, 09:50 PM
What about that Larry Johnson guy with Cincinatti. He used to be good until ......

KcKing
02-02-2010, 09:51 PM
Dre Bly is hitting about 30 right? How many steps has he lost? Would he still be a decent Nickel? Has he not lost any steps and would be insulted to play nickel?

If i was ignoring the bolded players, i'd like to see Chambers back, Bly if he's an option for Nickleback, Chris Brown as a #2 or #3 back, some assorted O-Linemen, and Kris "Bigfoot" Wilson.. (Just because he let me down his first go-round, and I believe he owes me some good football play.)

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 09:52 PM
I'd target Kevin Walter. Dude would be a nice #2, and he's young enough (29 this fall) to be a contributing player when this team contends.

I mentioned him in the other thread, along with Chike Okeafor, Tank Johnson, Chester Pitts and Chris Draft.

Okeafor is the only guy that's really up there in age, but he's still younger and more talented than Vrabel.

Pretty much everyone on this list is going to be 28+.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 09:53 PM
Each team also gets 3 tags IIRC....

Yep.

Maybe now people will finally realize what some of us have been saying all along.

This is not going to be FA as we know it.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 09:53 PM
so wait, are you omitting guys that you think will get tagged?

Nope.

L.A. Chieffan
02-02-2010, 09:56 PM
Nope.

I thought Mankins, McNeill and a couple of other OL guys were UFAs this year. I think we should get help on the line through free agency and draft for defense this year.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:01 PM
I thought Mankins, McNeill and a couple of other OL guys were UFAs this year. I think we should get help on the line through free agency and draft for defense this year.

Both are restricted.

L.A. Chieffan
02-02-2010, 10:07 PM
Both are restricted.

oh i see. theres new service term limits on players. it used to be 4 years and now its 6. no wonder all these guys are getting old.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:09 PM
oh i see. theres new service term limits on players. it used to be 4 years and now its 6. no wonder all these guys are getting old.

Yep.

Which is why over 200 players that would have been unrestricted FA's are now RFA's.

CaliforniaChief
02-02-2010, 10:10 PM
Obviously not a big class of FA's. There are some other guys there that might help us in a limited way.

Kassim Osgood is a helluva special teams player.
Levi Jones could be brought in for depth.

And someone else brought up Walter. There's something about him that makes me think he HAS to be the next Wes Welker. Isn't it obvious?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-02-2010, 10:11 PM
Dunta Robinson, plz.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-02-2010, 10:11 PM
Kynan Forney was milkman's boy.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:12 PM
Dunta Robinson, plz.

Oh, fuck.

I didn't even see him.

Hell yeah.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:19 PM
RFA Tender amounts/compensation added to the OP.

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 10:22 PM
HOU FAs FTW.

Hammock Parties
02-02-2010, 10:25 PM
LJ can be the thunder to Jamaal's lightning.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:27 PM
HOU FAs FTW.

Hey, Sexy Rexy would be an upgrade at this point.

They'll probably re-sign Walter, and tag Robinson. Or the other way around.

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 10:31 PM
They'll probably re-sign Walter, and tag Robinson.

Yeah, the odds of those guys being available just isn't too strong.

Worst case scenario, at least we could allow Chambers to rape us and still have a viable #2. Draft a slot receiver and we're ok. At least for next season, barring Chambers falling off a cliff.

Thank you, SD.

blazzin311
02-02-2010, 10:36 PM
Here are the players on that list that if I were the Chiefs I would strongly consider pursuing that is assuming they do hit the open market.

Chester Taylor - RB
Antonio Bryant - WR
Chris Chambers - WR
Kevin Walter - WR
L. J. Smith - TE
Ben Watson - TE
Eugene Amano - OG
David Baas - OG
Ryan Pickett - DT
Vince Wilfork - DT
Richard Seymour - DE
Karlos Dansby - ILB
Scott Fujita - OLB (why the Chiefs ever let him go I'm still not sure?)
Aaron Kampman - OLB
Leigh Bodden - CB
Dunta Robinson - CB
Sean Jones - FS

I think all of these players could come in and contribute in a positive way for Chiefs. However that's not to say the Chiefs should pursue all of them, but I wouldn't mind it if they signed some of these guys.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:37 PM
Yeah, the odds of those guys being available just isn't too strong.

Worst case scenario, at least we could allow Chambers to rape us and still have a viable #2. Draft a slot receiver and we're ok. At least for next season, barring Chambers falling off a cliff.

Thank you, SD.

Forgive me for not being content with a 32 year old WR that was dumped by a playoff team mid-season, who's had precisely ONE season where he caught more than 70 passes and precisely ONE season where he gained over 1000 yards - out of 11 seasons - and is going to be paid like a WR1.

Titty Meat
02-02-2010, 10:39 PM
Could Ogunleye play OLB in a 3-4?

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:40 PM
Here are the players on that list that if I were the Chiefs I would strongly consider pursuing that is assuming they do hit the open market.

<del>Chester Taylor - RB</del>
<del>Antonio Bryant - WR</del>
Chris Chambers - WR
L. J. Smith - TE
Ben Watson - TE
Eugene Amano - OG
David Baas - OG
<del>Ryan Pickett - DT</del>
<del>Vince Wilfork - DT</del>
<del>Richard Seymour - DE</del>
<del>Karlos Dansby - ILB</del>
Scott Fujita - OLB (why the Chiefs ever let him go I'm still not sure?)
Aaron Kampman - OLB
Leigh Bodden - CB
Dunta Robinson - CB
Sean Jones - FS

<del>Will likely be re-signed or tagged</del>

Kampman doesn't fit the 3-4.

50/50 chance that Fujita and Robinson are retained as well.

Ralphy Boy
02-02-2010, 10:40 PM
MIN Kennedy, Jimmy DT

Yeah, I know he's been a bust, but he might have actually got his crap in order this year. Minny signed him back in 08, when they were dealing with the suspension of the Williams boy's, but this year in limited play time he had 3 sacks. Big body guy who currently is as light as I can recall, weighing 320. He's been up near 400 in the past.

In the playoff game against Dallas, I can remember seeing him get in Romo's face.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:41 PM
MIN Kennedy, Jimmy DT

Yeah, I know he's been a bust, but he might have actually got his crap in order this year. Minny signed him back in 08, when they were dealing with the suspension of the Williams boy's, but this year in limited play time he had 3 sacks. Big body guy who currently is as light as I can recall, weighing 320. He's been up near 400 in the past.

In the playoff game against Dallas, I can remember seeing him get in Romo's face.

You could surround Ron Edwards with Jared Allen, Ray Edwards and one of the Williams' boys, and he'd get pressure on the QB.

Pass.

Titty Meat
02-02-2010, 10:45 PM
Sean Jones would also be a great pick up. And if Pioli signs Mike Brown he will win them games.

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 10:45 PM
Forgive me for not being content with a 32 year old WR that was dumped by a playoff team mid-season, who's had precisely ONE season where he caught more than 70 passes and precisely ONE season where he gained over 1000 yards - out of 11 seasons - and is going to be paid like a WR1.

I don't disagree, but I'm not sure what other option there will be, unless we're drafting Dez White and targeting Wes Long Wade 10 times per game (again).

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:46 PM
I don't disagree, but I'm not sure what other option there will be, unless we're drafting Dez White and targeting Wes Long Wade 10 times per game (again).

I don't know that it matters as long as 44/46 is under center.

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 10:48 PM
I don't know that it matters as long as 44/46 is under center.

Fuck what we're going to do or what's unrealistic, if Berry and Clausen were both on the board, would you pull the trigger on the QB?

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 10:54 PM
Fuck what we're going to do or what's unrealistic, if Berry and Clausen were both on the board, would you pull the trigger on the QB?

Fuck.

That's a brutal call.

Depends on what Charlie tells me.

If Charlie says the kid is a franchise QB, then I take him.

Or I hope I've gotten some good intel that he's gonna have an Aaron Rodgers/Brady Quinn-like drop, take Berry, and then move back into the 1st to take Clausen.

You don't pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one.

We don't have one.

Titty Meat
02-02-2010, 10:55 PM
Whats with all the Clausen love?

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 10:58 PM
Whats with all the Clausen love?

He's a talented prospect? :shrug:

BossChief
02-02-2010, 11:08 PM
Gimme any two/three of these guys and that would give us much flexibility in the upcoming draft. Some may only have a year or two left, but could still contribute as a stop gap for starters pay. Some would be worth trading for even.

ARI Patrick, Ben TE <-familiarity
ARI Dansby, Karlos ILB <-familiarity
BAL Washington, Kelley WR
CLE Hadnot, Rex OG
CAR Peppers, Julius DE
HOU Walter, Kevin WR
NE Wilfork, Vince DT <-familiarity
PHI Jones, Sean FS <-familiarity

TRR
02-02-2010, 11:09 PM
Fuck.

That's a brutal call.

Depends on what Charlie tells me.

If Charlie says the kid is a franchise QB, then I take him.

Or I hope I've gotten some good intel that he's gonna have an Aaron Rodgers/Brady Quinn-like drop, take Berry, and then move back into the 1st to take Clausen.

You don't pass on a franchise QB if you don't have one.

We don't have one.

Lol! What a joke! Cassel isn't a franch QB after one season with terrible line play and a revolving door as a WR corp but Clausen may be a franch QB?

Stop posting please...
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OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 11:11 PM
Lol! What a joke! Cassel isn't a franch QB after one season with terrible line play and a revolving door as a WR corp but Clausen may be a franch QB?

Stop posting please...
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Cassel wasn't a franchise QB before, during or after this season, but thanks for playing.

He's a fucking game manager, at best.

And if Charlie Weis says Clausen is a franchise QB, we deserve to suck for eternity for passing on him.

Christ, Weis already told us what he thinks of Cassel.

"Well, he's on the team."

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 11:16 PM
Lol! What a joke! Cassel isn't a franch QB after one season with terrible line play and a revolving door as a WR corp but Clausen may be a franch QB?

Stop posting please...
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I don't think even the most optimistic Cassel supporter really believes the guy is or will become a franchise QB.

People have argued he's good enough to win with, but this definitely isn't the same as being a franchise QB.

dirk digler
02-02-2010, 11:23 PM
I think Weis would love to get Clausen but I think in fairness we should post the full quote of him talking about Cassel.

WEIS: Ive been here a little longer so Ive met some of them in person and Im wearing a couple of them out on the phone one in particular. I had a little bit of a head start to get a little communication going, but were all so cognizant weve been around long enough to realize that these guys have a small window to spend time with their families, too and I think its important to give them their family time because once the end of March rolls around, the off-season program kicks in. Its a totally different ball of wax because the off-season in football really is now from Super Bowl Sunday to the end of March. Its really a nine-or 10-month job, not a six-month job which many people perceive. Theyll certainly have enough of us and well have enough of them before May rolls around.


Q: Im guessing the guy youve worn out over the phone is the quarterback?
WEIS: I just said Ive worn at least one of them out.

DeezNutz
02-02-2010, 11:25 PM
I bet Cassel stares at the phone.

dirk digler
02-02-2010, 11:30 PM
I bet Cassel stares at the phone.

I bet he screens his calls now.

In all seriousness I expect Cassel to have a very good season this year with Weis being around. I am think he will end up in the 10-15 range in rankings.

OnTheWarpath15
02-02-2010, 11:37 PM
I bet he screens his calls now.

In all seriousness I expect Cassel to have a very good season this year with Weis being around. I am think he will end up in the 10-15 range in rankings.

He better, considering all Charlie's gonna ask him to do is throw underneath.

Dude should have a 70% completion percentage.

Problem is, people will look at his stats and say he improved, when in actuality, he wasn't asked to do anything that would make him look bad, and in doing so, holds back the entire offense.

Jewish Rabbi
02-03-2010, 12:10 AM
You forgot to bold Mike Brown

Blick
02-03-2010, 01:12 AM
Jason Taylor and Darren Sharper would probably be broke dick players for us.

KCChiefsMan
02-03-2010, 02:46 AM
I'd like to see us re-sign Chris Chambers

MVChiefFan
02-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Does anyone else think we're gonna some how end up with Kevin Faulk? I'm not sayin' we should, I'm just sayin' that I've gotta feelin' it's gonna happen.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 09:39 AM
Dunta Robinson, plz.

Agreed.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 09:43 AM
He better, considering all Charlie's gonna ask him to do is throw underneath.

Dude should have a 70% completion percentage.

Problem is, people will look at his stats and say he improved, when in actuality, he wasn't asked to do anything that would make him look bad, and in doing so, holds back the entire offense.

ROFL

That's a hedge bet post if I've ever seen one.

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 09:47 AM
ROFL

That's a hedge bet post if I've ever seen one.

Why?

Is it not true?

If Weis is the OC we all think/hope he is, he'll realize that Cassel has some serious limitations, and do his damnedest to mask those limitations.

Which means that Cassel will be dumping the ball off, throwing a lot of WR screens, (which Weis is known for, ask a Pats fan) and short, underneath passes.

This, in turn, should result in better stats on the surface for Cassel. Back to 60% of his yardage coming from RAC. Which will lead people that don't know what they are watching to say, "See! He's a good QB."

He's not. He's a game manager. You shouldn't have to create an offense to mask deficiencies when you're dealing with a 6th year supposed "franchise QB." You should be able to do whatever you'd like to do as an offense.

Do you disagree?

Hootie
02-03-2010, 09:49 AM
I don't know if I agree or disagree but I do know I'll at least have to watch a few games before I decide whether or not he's holding back the entire offense.

Besides, the offense should center around Jamaal Charles and the play-action pass, period.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 09:52 AM
and unless Berry falls the more and more I think about it I just pray we take Dez Bryant.

I'm tired of the "trenches"...give me a freaking playmaker for once...if he's 70% as good as Andre Johnson that's good enough for me...

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 09:54 AM
I don't know if I agree or disagree but I do know I'll at least have to watch a few games before I decide whether or not he's holding back the entire offense.

Besides, the offense should center around Jamaal Charles and the play-action pass, period.

Of course it should, because we don't have a franchise QB.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 09:56 AM
Of course it should, because we don't have a franchise QB.

those don't grow on trees

one could argue the Patriots don't have one of those, either...

after all Cassel's 2008 was somewhat comparable to Brady's 2009

not sure how everyone can overlook that

Hootie
02-03-2010, 09:58 AM
but I've been arguing that for years...

if a system can fool an entire nation of fans for years into thinking Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time...

I'm pretty sure a system can trick our fan base into thinking Matt Cassel is actually a good QB

we'll see if Weis can work his magic two times

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:01 AM
and unless Berry falls the more and more I think about it I just pray we take Dez Bryant.

I'm tired of the "trenches"...give me a freaking playmaker for once...if he's 70% as good as Andre Johnson that's good enough for me...

Where are these Andre Johnson comparisons coming from?

They are similar in size, and that's about it.

AJ is blazing fast, was a track star at Miami as well, and has reportedly run a sub-4.3 40 in college. The guy was an excellent route runner coming out of college, and is one of the best in the league at running routes.

Bryant might run sub-4.5. He's a poor route runner, and needs to learn the route tree. Nevermind that he hasn't played football since what, September?

There's really no comparison, IMO.

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:04 AM
those don't grow on trees

one could argue the Patriots don't have one of those, either...

after all Cassel's 2008 was somewhat comparable to Brady's 2009

not sure how everyone can overlook that

but I've been arguing that for years...

if a system can fool an entire nation of fans for years into thinking Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time...

I'm pretty sure a system can trick our fan base into thinking Matt Cassel is actually a good QB

we'll see if Weis can work his magic two times

I'm not getting into this argument with you again. I have no problem with you saying that Manning > Brady. But you're being ridiculous trying to claim that Brady isn't a franchise QB. You don't win 3 SB's and play in a 4th, playing the most important position on the field, by accident.

That's all I'm going to say on that matter.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:06 AM
every WR from a spread offense is a "poor" route runner according to you guys.

I have no faith in your ability to judge WR's after last year.

I will always admit that I don't follow college football...I follow the mock draft sites and lurk draftplanet because the draft absolutely intrigues me and is my 3rd favorite football day of the year (opening week, super bowl)...

which is why I lurk draft planet and take what you, hamas, mecca, milkman, etc...say as very educated opinion (even though I think you all pretty much do what I do and then try to pawn it off like you actually watch all of these games and break down film etc. etc. etc. when in reality you probably just cherry pick it from your favorite sites and decide what you want to agree with and what you want to disagree with and so on)...

but after last year and then watching Crabtree play (who looks like a better version of Detriot Lions Roy Williams)...

I know longer respect your opinions on WR's and their route running abilities, or lack thereof.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:12 AM
I'm not getting into this argument with you again. I have no problem with you saying that Manning > Brady. But you're being ridiculous trying to claim that Brady isn't a franchise QB. You don't win 3 SB's and play in a 4th, playing the most important position on the field, by accident.

That's all I'm going to say on that matter.

If Brady went down in 2007 instead of 2008 I'm not so sure Cassel wouldn't have played in a Super Bowl himself...

I'm done giving credit to Brady...just don't see it...he's a good QB that played in a great system with a top tier defense and had the benefit of "spygate"...something the NFL successfully swept under the rug that everyone seems to forget now...

The Patriots held "the greatest show on turf" to 3 points through 3 quarters in their 1st Super Bowl...

that's not fishy to anyone after spygate?

until they win one post spygate you won't hear me consider Brady as an all-time great...he's simply ARGUABLY the 2nd best QB in the NFL...

The Franchise
02-03-2010, 10:13 AM
What makes Crabtree so awesome?

11 games played
48 receptions
625 yards
2 TDs


Yeah he missed all of training camp.....but Jesus Christ....it's not like he came into the NFL and tore everyone a new asshole.

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:13 AM
every WR from a spread offense is a "poor" route runner according to you guys.

I have no faith in your ability to judge WR's after last year.

I will always admit that I don't follow college football...I follow the mock draft sites and lurk draftplanet because the draft absolutely intrigues me and is my 3rd favorite football day of the year (opening week, super bowl)...

which is why I lurk draft planet and take what you, hamas, mecca, milkman, etc...say as very educated opinion (even though I think you all pretty much do what I do and then try to pawn it off like you actually watch all of these games and break down film etc. etc. etc. when in reality you probably just cherry pick it from your favorite sites and decide what you want to agree with and what you want to disagree with and so on)...

but after last year and then watching Crabtree play (who looks like a better version of Detriot Lions Roy Williams)...

I know longer respect your opinions on WR's and their route running abilities, or lack thereof.

First, not all spread WR's are bad route runners. I think Jordan Shipley is a damn solid route runner, for example.

Crabtree was a MUCH better route runner in college than Bryant, IMO.

And I'm not sure why you're pounding the Crabtree drum just yet. He's played what, 11 games, averaging 60 yards a game?

Dwayne Bowe had more production as a rookie, (similar yardage but much more scoring) and was picked 10+ slots later, yet people want to run him out of town.

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:15 AM
What makes Crabtree so awesome?

11 games played
48 receptions
625 yards
2 TDs


Yeah he missed all of training camp.....but Jesus Christ....it's not like he came into the NFL and tore everyone a new asshole.

This.

I'll give him credit for working his ass off before he signed. That's the reason he was able to make any impact, according to Mike Singletary.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:16 AM
well...

I watched Crabtree play last year (didn't stare at any box scores and formulate any opinions)...

and he reminded me of the Roy Williams everyone thought was going to be a superstar...but with better hands.

Crabtree literally came in and was anointed starter day 1 and played like a #1 WR if you ask me...

and if we had taken him Hamas would have started the same "MOTHER FUCK YOU SCOTT PIOLI" thread as he did when we took Jackson.

God would I be thrilled to have Crabtree right now.

HemiEd
02-03-2010, 10:16 AM
Cincy runs a risk of losing their Johnsons.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:16 AM
Crabtree is going to be a star and anyone who thinks differently is foolish.

Just saying.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:18 AM
I lurk draftplanet like crazy during this time of the year...

and last year (and I truly do pay attention to mecca because out of all of them mecca knows his shit)...mecca kept talking about Heyward-Bey this and Heyward-Bey that (albeit as a late 1st round pick)...

and god damn he was terrible last year...and I can't even give him a pass for being a Raider since Louis Murphy looked pretty good and all.

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:19 AM
Crabtree is going to be a star and anyone who thinks differently is foolish.

Just saying.

Way to back up that opinion.

Considering you think Tony Romo is going to the HOF, forgive me for not taking "I think so, therefore..." as gospel.

HC_Chief
02-03-2010, 10:21 AM
What makes Crabtree so awesome?

11 games played
48 receptions
625 yards
2 TDs


Yeah he missed all of training camp.....but Jesus Christ....it's not like he came into the NFL and tore everyone a new asshole.

Potential. He is big, fast, and has great hands. He also knows how to find the end zone.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:22 AM
I don't remember my exact quote pertaining to Tony Romo...I think it was somewhere along the lines of "I wouldn't be surprised if Tony Romo ended up in the Hall of Fame" back when Hamas was trying to say he was among the worst QB's in the NFL...

and I stand by that.

All it will take is 1 Super Bowl and 6 more pro bowl caliber years.

You think he's not capable of that?

But hey...can't wait to get the last laugh on that one like I do ALL OVER THE INTERNET (not just on this site) regarding Manning/Brady...

I beat the drum loud and clear all the way back to when he lit us up in 2003 and was mocked and laughed at etc. etc. etc. and now no one is laughing anymore.

The Franchise
02-03-2010, 10:23 AM
I don't remember my exact quote pertaining to Tony Romo...I think it was somewhere along the lines of "I wouldn't be surprised if Tony Romo ended up in the Hall of Fame" back when Hamas was trying to say he was among the worst QB's in the NFL...

and I stand by that.

All it will take is 1 Super Bowl and 6 more pro bowl caliber years.

You think he's not capable of that?

But hey...can't wait to get the last laugh on that one like I do ALL OVER THE INTERNET (not just on this site) regarding Manning/Brady...

I beat the drum loud and clear all the way back to when he lit us up in 2003 and was mocked and laughed at etc. etc. etc. and now no one is laughing anymore.

I wasn't here back in 2003.....but I'm on your side when it comes to Manning and Brady. Actually...I pretty much 100% agree with you on that subject.

The Franchise
02-03-2010, 10:24 AM
Potential. He is big, fast, and has great hands. He also knows how to find the end zone.

I'll give him potential.....but don't annoint him as a fucking star until he proves it.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:24 AM
I also said before the Super Bowl in 2007 that Matt Cassel would have won 13 games with the 16-0 Patriots that year...

the next year he wins 11...

and that is evidenced on this site...

but some of you Brady backers (OTWP for one) just avoid the topic at all costs now instead of eating their crow and admitting defeat...

shit I still don't know how anyone watches a Patriots game and then watches a Colts game and then somehow comes to the conclusion that Tom Brady is a better QB...

I don't know how that EVER happened.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:27 AM
I wasn't here back in 2003.....but I'm on your side when it comes to Manning and Brady. Actually...I pretty much 100% agree with you on that subject.

I wasn't back here in 2003, either...

but you should have SEEN the shit I got in 2003 when I started saying Peyton Manning was the greatest QB I had ever seen...

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:28 AM
I also said before the Super Bowl in 2007 that Matt Cassel would have won 13 games with the 16-0 Patriots that year...

the next year he wins 11...

and that is evidenced on this site...

but some of you Brady backers (OTWP for one) just avoid the topic at all costs now instead of eating their crow and admitting defeat...

shit I still don't know how anyone watches a Patriots game and then watches a Colts game and then somehow comes to the conclusion that Tom Brady is a better QB...

I don't know how that EVER happened.

When have I EVER said that Brady is a better QB?

Personally, I think the entire argument is stupid, and have said as much. It's like arguing that $100 bill is better than $100 worth of twenties. For that reason, I typically stay out of the argument - because it's retarded.

I think that overall, Manning is the epitome of a franchise QB. But I'm not going to go out of my way to try to discredit a guy that has won 3 Championships and played for a 4th, playing the most important position on the field.

The Franchise
02-03-2010, 10:28 AM
ARI Dansby, Karlos ILB
HOU Walter, Kevin WR
HOU Robinson, Dunta CB
KC Chambers, Chris WR
PHI Jones, Sean FS


And....just to stay on topic....I'll take these players in FA.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:32 AM
It's like arguing that $100 bill is better than $100 worth of twenties.

Dumb analogy.

If Peyton is a $100 bill.

Brady MIGHT be a $5 bill to Kurt Warner's $1 bill to Brett Favre's 5 $1 bills.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:33 AM
Peyton is to football what Jordan was to basketball.

In football, the best team doesn't win every year.

In basketball...unlike football and baseball...the best team pretty much wins 90% of the time.

milkman
02-03-2010, 10:42 AM
shit I still don't know how anyone watches a Patriots game and then watches a Colts game and then somehow comes to the conclusion that Tom Brady is a better QB...

I don't know how that EVER happened.

No one is arguing that Brady is a better QB than Manning.

Okay, I can't speak for anyone else, actually, but the arguemnt is about "Greatest QB of all time".

The greatest QB of all time isn't necessarily the most talented, smartest, most hard working.

It's the guy that consistently makes/made plays when the games counted most at the most critical times.

I don't ****ing care how you try to spin it otherwise, that's the measuring stick, and through his career, until the last 4 years, Manning didn't deliver consistently in those situations.

Over the last 4 years, Brady hasn't either, but until Manning matches what Brady did earlier in his career in those situations, then he hasn't yet achieved that level.

And he still has a long way to go to match what Montana accomplished in those situations.

Is Manning the better QB from a pure physical standpoint?
Yes.

Is he the better QB in terms of overall production?
Yes.

But he hasn't reached the same level in the clutch, yet.

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Dumb analogy.

If Peyton is a $100 bill.

Brady MIGHT be a $5 bill to Kurt Warner's $1 bill to Brett Favre's 5 $1 bills.

And that's why people don't take you seriously.

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:44 AM
And that's why people don't take you seriously.

well maybe they should start...

have a pretty good track record on here

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 10:45 AM
Dumb analogy.

If Peyton is a $100 bill.

Brady MIGHT be a $5 bill to Kurt Warner's $1 bill to Brett Favre's 5 $1 bills.

Tony Romo would be 1/2 penny

Hootie
02-03-2010, 10:46 AM
Tony Romo would be 1/2 penny

we'll see in a few years...

he is more talented than Tom Brady...I'll tell you that right now

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:46 AM
well maybe they should start...

have a pretty good track record on here

Gambling? Sure.

Otherwise, your so-called track record consists of, "Well, if so-and-so played for X team, they'd do this."

It's all speculation that will never be proven one way or the other.

Other than that gem about Romo being inducted into the HOF, of course.

dirk digler
02-03-2010, 10:47 AM
we'll see in a few years...

he is more talented than Tom Brady...I'll tell you that right now

and he choked on the other half

OnTheWarpath15
02-03-2010, 10:47 AM
we'll see in a few years...

he is more talented than Tom Brady...I'll tell you that right now

You can say it until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't make it true.

philfree
02-03-2010, 11:01 AM
I was scanning that list for Gs and Ts. I can't imagine that we won't dhave a chance to upgrade our o line with some middle of the road players. Last year we tried to do it with scrap heap players. I'll feel better going into the draft if we can truely upgrade the oline before hand. We'll still need to address the line in the later rounds of the draft though.(5th round) Levi Jones or Tony Pashos have anything to offer at RT? Would they be an upgrade?


PhilFree:arrow:

beach tribe
02-03-2010, 01:06 PM
We should bring T-Rich back. I feel like there are quite a few names on there that could help us.

DrRyan
02-03-2010, 01:20 PM
I'd target Kevin Walter. Dude would be a nice #2, and he's young enough (29 this fall) to be a contributing player when this team contends.

He was a name that stood out to me as well on the list. He is a solid #2 WR.
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milkman
02-03-2010, 01:27 PM
I'd target Kevin Walter. Dude would be a nice #2, and he's young enough (29 this fall) to be a contributing player when this team contends.

So you think he has another good 7-10 years?

Wilson8
02-03-2010, 01:50 PM
I thought New England right guard Stephen Neal might be a possible FA signing for KC. He has the NE connection with Pioli. He's 33 but has only played 78 NFL games so I thought his body might be better than the normal 33 year old NFL player. Stephen was a wrestler before he decided to play pro football.

Profootballfocus.com has him rated as the number 2 guard from this last year.

Looks like he is considering retirement...

Patriots | Neal considering retirement
Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:26:12 -0800

Ian Rapoport, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots OG Stephen Neal is considering retirement because he is not sure how much longer he can handle the physical aspects of the game. "I'm not sure if I'll keep getting into them car accidents every week," Neal said.

DaneMcCloud
02-04-2010, 12:10 AM
Lol! What a joke! Cassel isn't a franch QB after one season with terrible line play and a revolving door as a WR corp but Clausen may be a franch QB?

Stop posting please...
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Cassel was sacked six times in the last four games.

Jammal Charles put up a good portion of 1,000 yards in the last nine.

The excuses for Cassel must stop.

Oh, and please stop posting.

DaneMcCloud
02-04-2010, 12:10 AM
Christ, Weis already told us what he thinks of Cassel.

"Well, he's on the team."

JFC, if THAT doesn't say it all!

RustShack
02-04-2010, 12:12 AM
Don't forget we have our very own OG "Neal" on the PS.

MikeMaslowski
02-04-2010, 12:15 AM
I am frustrated by some of your choices of "playmakers" sir. I am glad you are not a scout.

Thank you for the info tho.

DaneMcCloud
02-04-2010, 12:41 AM
I am frustrated by some of your choices of "playmakers" sir. I am glad you are not a scout.

Thank you for the info tho.

Would you care to elaborate?

Or are in the business of backhanded compliments?

Also, one does not need to be a "scout" to identify potential free agents, especially free-agents that have been in the league for 7 years or more.

DaneMcCloud
02-04-2010, 12:42 AM
we'll see in a few years...

he is more talented than Tom Brady...I'll tell you that right now

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'Hamas' Jenkins
02-04-2010, 01:12 AM
well...

I watched Crabtree play last year (didn't stare at any box scores and formulate any opinions)...

and he reminded me of the Roy Williams everyone thought was going to be a superstar...but with better hands.

Crabtree literally came in and was anointed starter day 1 and played like a #1 WR if you ask me...

and if we had taken him Hamas would have started the same "MOTHER FUCK YOU SCOTT PIOLI" thread as he did when we took Jackson.

God would I be thrilled to have Crabtree right now.

Your relativistic hypocrisy knows no bounds.

You can't take my opinion on receivers seriously, yet I had Maclin rated above Crabtree, and not only did he out perform him, he also set a franchise record for receiving yardage in a game as a rookie, while going 10 picks later than Crabtree.

Hakeem Nicks, who Mecca said was every bit the equal of Crabtree, threw up better numbers than Crabtree did, and went 20 picks later.

You are the biggest cherry picking motherfucker on this board. You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

So it has been shown in your posts, so it shall be recorded.

MikeMaslowski
02-04-2010, 01:41 AM
Would you care to elaborate?

Or are in the business of backhanded compliments?

Also, one does not need to be a "scout" to identify potential free agents, especially free-agents that have been in the league for 7 years or more.

I did not see a link, so I am assuming the "difference makers" that are bolded are his bolds. I disagree with a few of his choices i.e. TO, Jason Taylor, etc. Also there are some guys that should be bolded.

Such as......

Well, I checked the stats of some of the names that I thought were better... and I don't have a really good argument other than at one point I liked to watch them play and their names gave me a warm and fuzzy. :doh!:

That was literally my first attempt at a football related retort, and it failed. I will stick to booby pics and pr0n websites.

And FTR I was not being condescending when I stated that it was good information.

spanky 52
02-04-2010, 06:04 AM
Does anyone really think the Chiefs are going to spend money in FA when it looks like there won't be a salary cap, which means there won't be a salary floor. The same thing applies to the draft, no one is going to trade up with us so they can pay the big dollars. Not saying the Chiefs won't try to find some bargains in FA but there won't be any big names.

TRR
02-04-2010, 07:48 AM
Cassel was sacked six times in the last four games.

Jammal Charles put up a good portion of 1,000 yards in the last nine.

The excuses for Cassel must stop.

Oh, and please stop posting.

What about his WR's? I guess I never saw them get better all season. Its great that Charles helped the running game, but what WR's stepped up to help Cassel in the last half of the season? He had new WR's starting nearly every week.
...and don't get me started on the dropped ball issue. Although that's probably Cassel's fault too.

Go back and look at the last half of the season, and you will see that while the line finally started to gel, the line also was helped by Cassel getting rid of the ball quicker.

Get Cassel some tools, then fairly judge him. Especially at the WR position where they saw more change than my toilet paper holder.
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Brock
02-04-2010, 10:41 AM
What about his WR's? I guess I never saw them get better all season. Its great that Charles helped the running game, but what WR's stepped up to help Cassel in the last half of the season? He had new WR's starting nearly every week.
...and don't get me started on the dropped ball issue. Although that's probably Cassel's fault too.

Go back and look at the last half of the season, and you will see that while the line finally started to gel, the line also was helped by Cassel getting rid of the ball quicker.

Get Cassel some tools, then fairly judge him. Especially at the WR position where they saw more change than my toilet paper holder.
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Look at the way he throws the ball. Look at his deep ball. Look at it, man.

Micjones
02-04-2010, 11:59 AM
Be nice to nab 4-5 of these players:

Karlos Dansby
Chike Okeafor
Julius Peppers
Tank Johnson
Rex Hadnot
Kevin Walter
Dunta Robinson
Benjamin Watson
Aubrayo Franklin
Vince Wilfork
Kyle Vanden Bosch
Antonio Bryant

Jilly
02-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Does anyone really think the Chiefs are going to spend money in FA when it looks like there won't be a salary cap, which means there won't be a salary floor. The same thing applies to the draft, no one is going to trade up with us so they can pay the big dollars. Not saying the Chiefs won't try to find some bargains in FA but there won't be any big names.

where's the league at with that at this point? I haven't heard anything lately.

The Bad Guy
02-04-2010, 12:22 PM
Look at the way he throws the ball. Look at his deep ball. Look at it, man.

He's too busy looking at the WRs that he wants to pin all the blame on.

OnTheWarpath15
02-04-2010, 12:24 PM
where's the league at with that at this point? I haven't heard anything lately.

I'll double your casino cash if you take that ugly skank out of your avatar and replace it with Mary Louise Parker.

Jilly
02-04-2010, 12:58 PM
I'll double your casino cash if you take that ugly skank out of your avatar and replace it with Mary Louise Parker.

I don't play in the casino, but I'll do it for you if you answer the question and save me the time and energy of doing my own research! How long, though? Cuz Mary Louise isn't my favorite you know.

OnTheWarpath15
02-04-2010, 01:03 PM
I don't play in the casino, but I'll do it for you if you answer the question and save me the time and energy of doing my own research! How long, though? Cuz Mary Louise isn't my favorite you know.

The question about "where is the league in regards to the uncapped year?"

If so, then:

Basically, count on 2010 being an uncapped season. The players union and owners would have to come to an agreement on a new Collective Bargaining Agreement before the new "league year" starts on March 5th.

That's not going to happen.

At this point, the concern is getting an agreement hammered out before the 2011 season, or there's going to be a work stoppage. Apparently the owners want the players to take an 18% pay cut.

It could get nasty, and we could be without football after this season.

And if you're not a MLP fan (which is sad) give me a list of five ladies you like, and I'll pick one.

Rep and 500K in casino cash to you.

salame
02-04-2010, 01:03 PM
CIN Johnson, Larry RB

Jilly
02-04-2010, 01:08 PM
The question about "where is the league in regards to the uncapped year?"

If so, then:

Basically, count on 2010 being an uncapped season. The players union and owners would have to come to an agreement on a new Collective Bargaining Agreement before the new "league year" starts on March 5th.

That's not going to happen.

At this point, the concern is getting an agreement hammered out before the 2011 season, or there's going to be a work stoppage. Apparently the owners want the players to take an 18% pay cut.

It could get nasty, and we could be without football after this season.

And if you're not a MLP fan (which is sad) give me a list of five ladies you like, and I'll pick one.

Rep and 500K in casino cash to you.

So, basically KC is screwed and it will end up like the Royals and Yankees, etc. etc? Ugh. Why do they want this?

I said I'd do MLP, you pick out the picture though.

OnTheWarpath15
02-04-2010, 01:15 PM
So, basically KC is screwed and it will end up like the Royals and Yankees, etc. etc? Ugh. Why do they want this?

I said I'd do MLP, you pick out the picture though.

We had a ton of cap room last year and didn't use it, so financially, it won't be much different.

It does make Free Agency different though, because only 1/3 will be unrestricted, and of those, very few are quality players. Which means demand > supply, and the price will go up substantially to acquire talent.

The one advantage for teams is that you can dump all of your bad contracts and make trades without taking the huge cap hit.

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DaneMcCloud
02-04-2010, 01:15 PM
So, basically KC is screwed and it will end up like the Royals and Yankees, etc. etc? Ugh. Why do they want this?

I said I'd do MLP, you pick out the picture though.

Just as in MLB, the wealthier owners in the larger markets are tired of "subsidizing" the smaller market teams.

Jilly
02-04-2010, 01:27 PM
We had a ton of cap room last year and didn't use it, so financially, it won't be much different.

It does make Free Agency different though, because only 1/3 will be unrestricted, and of those, very few are quality players. Which means demand > supply, and the price will go up substantially to acquire talent.

The one advantage for teams is that you can dump all of your bad contracts and make trades without taking the huge cap hit.

And you can crop this however you like. Who doesn't love pie?



So you think KC won't be affected because of our cap room? What happens when NY, Dallas, etc....start paying players out of our reach?

<---- Good enough?

OnTheWarpath15
02-04-2010, 01:27 PM
Cash and rep delivered, as promised.

OnTheWarpath15
02-04-2010, 01:30 PM
So you think KC won't be affected because of our cap room? What happens when NY, Dallas, etc....start paying players out of our reach?

<---- Good enough?

No, that's not what I meant.

There is no spending limit this year.

But when there was, and we were $30M under the limit, we didn't spend anything, either.

But yes, larger market teams are more likely to end up with the elite FA's this year because they can afford, and are willing to pay them more. And considering most of them are better teams (more competitive) than we are, it's a no-brainer for a FA to go where he's going to get paid more AND have a chance to win.

Wilson8
02-04-2010, 01:53 PM
This is going to be a really strange year for dealing with free agency unless the NFL comes up with a new CBA.

1. Over 200 players that should have been UFAs are RFAs
2. Top finishing teams from 2009 will be limited to only replacing lost free agents.
3. Limits on salary increase to 30%..

This last item is going to stop teams from huge money being spent. You can't sign a player that was making $500,000 by giving them a $6 million contract in the uncapped year. Teams might be creative and give them more money in 2011 but then if the cap comes back in 2011, that team might be forced to cut the player.

OnTheWarpath15
02-04-2010, 01:56 PM
This is going to be a really strange year for dealing with free agency unless the NFL comes up with a new CBA.

1. Over 200 players that should have been UFAs are RFAs
2. Top finishing teams from 2009 will be limited to only replacing lost free agents.
3. Limits on salary increase to 30%..

This last item is going to stop teams from huge money being spent. You can't sign a player that was making $500,000 by giving them a $6 million contract in the uncapped year. Teams might be creative and give them more money in 2011 but then if the cap comes back in 2011, that team might be forced to cut the player.

That's one question I've never been able to get answered.

Is it literally a 30% salary increase?

If so, then then teams will just spice up FA contracts with bonus money to make up for it.

keg in kc
02-04-2010, 02:01 PM
That's one question I've never been able to get answered.

Is it literally a 30% salary increase?

If so, then then teams will just spice up FA contracts with bonus money to make up for it.Yeah, that wouldn't be much of a deterrent to big contracts if it's literally a limit to salary increase. Salary is generally only a fraction of the overall contract already. All teams have to do is try to find more creative ways to hide guaranteed money inside the contract, which they've been doing for almost 20 years now...

Wilson8
02-04-2010, 02:20 PM
Page 77 of the CBA -

Section 1. Application: The provisions of this Article shall apply only in
any League Year during the term of this Agreement in which no Salary Cap
is in effect.

Section 2. Top Four Teams: Each of the four Clubs that participated in the
NFC and AFC Championship games the Prior League Year shall not be permitted
to negotiate and sign any Unrestricted Free Agent to a Player Contract,
except: (a) any Unrestricted Free Agent who acquired that status as a
result of the NFL waiver system; (b) any Unrestricted Free Agent who was
under contract to such Club on the last date of the last League Year of the
player’s most recent Player Contract; and (c) any Unrestricted Free Agent
signed pursuant to Section 4 below.

Section 3. Next Four Teams: Each of the four playoff Clubs that lost in the
immediately preceding playoff games to the four Clubs that participated in
the NFC and AFC Championship games the Prior League Year shall not be
permitted to negotiate and sign any Unrestricted Free Agent to a Player
contract, except: (a) any Unrestricted Free Agent who acquired that status
as a result of the NFL waiver system; (b) any Unrestricted Free Agent who
was under contract to such Club on the last date of the last League Year of
the player’s most recent Player contract; (c) any Unrestricted Free Agent
signed pursuant to Section 4 below; and (d) any Unrestricted Free Agent
as follows:
(i) One such player for a Player Contract that has a first year Salary
of $4,925,000 or more; and
(ii) Any number of such players for a Player Contract that has a first
year Salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase in any future
contract years of no more than 30% of the first contract year Salary, not
including any amount attributed to any signing bonus. In addition, each
such Club and each such player entering into a Player Contract pursuant
to this Subsection may not renegotiate to increase the amount of Salary to
be paid during the term of the Player Contract for a period of one year after
the signing date of such contract.

Section 4. Replacement of Free Agents Signed by Other Club: Each of
the eight Clubs subject to the provisions of this Article shall be permitted
to negotiate and sign one Unrestricted Free Agent to a Player Contract
(“New Player”) for each Unrestricted Free Agent who was under contract
to such Club on the last date of the prior League Year, who has signed with
another Club (“Previous Player”), so long as the Player Contract for the
New Player shall have a first year Salary of no more than the first year Salary
of the Player Contract signed by the Previous Player with the New Club,

http://nflplayers.com/images/fck/NFL%20COLLECTIVE%20BARGAINING%20AGREEMENT%202006%20-%202012.pdf

aturnis
02-04-2010, 05:57 PM
Free agency will be flooded with players that a team is finally in a position to purge. There will be lots to choose from, just don't know how good the players will be.

Also. Why wouldn't teams just restructure every player on the teams contract to be "cap heavy" this year, so it would allow them to make more moves in future capped years.

Wilson8
02-11-2010, 04:07 PM
2010 Restricted free agent tags

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 11, 2010 10:44 AM ET

Four years of experience

Original pick compensation: $1.176 million

Second round tender: $1.759 million

First round tender: $2.521 million

First and third tender: $3.168 million

Five years of NFL experience

Original pick compensation: $1.226 million

Second round tender: $1.809 million

First round tender: $2.621 million

First and third round tender: $3.268 million

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ee-agent-tags/

Wilson8
02-11-2010, 04:09 PM
Teams have a fifth option for RFA tenders

Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2010 3:08 PM ET

Earlier today, Rosenthal listed the various restricted free agency tenders that will apply to players who, in a capped year, would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency.

But a league source tells us that there's another, little-known option.

Teams can secure a simple right of first refusal with no compensation via a $1.176 million tender for players with four years of service, and a $1.226 million tender for players with five years of service.

Though the base amounts are the same as the low tender that secures as compensation a draft pick from the round in which the player was drafted, the source explains that the no-compensation tender is fixed at $1.176 million and $1.226 million, respectively. For the other levels, the tender increases upon request of the player to 110 percent of his 2009 compensation.

In the end, the lowest-level tender is a fairly low-cost device that will allow teams to let the market determine the long-term value of a player -- as long as the team is willing to risk getting nothing in return if the team chooses not to match the deal.

The process becomes far more intriguing if the Steve Hutchinson/Nate Burleson poison pill is unleashed -- and even more intriguing if teams choose not to use it.