Bill approved in Missouri senate for no nudity in strip clubs, close at midnight.

[BigRedChief]

Strip club bill advances in Missouri



By JASON NOBLE and STEVE KRASKE
The Kansas City Star
JEFFERSON CITY | Legislation placing far-reaching restrictions on adult-entertainment businesses in Missouri won preliminary approval in the state Senate on Thursday and may continue on a legislative fast track thanks to a federal investigation.

Sen. Matt Bartle presented the bill on the Senate floor just two days after he appeared before a federal grand jury in Kansas City to answer questions about the defeat of a nearly identical bill in 2005.

To become law, legislation approved Thursday must be voted on once more in the Senate, passed through the House and ultimately signed by the governor. But if successful, it would represent a sea change for adult-oriented businesses.

Among the provisions:
•Nudity would be banned in strip clubs.
•Semi-nude dancers would have to stay at least six feet away from and not touch patrons.
•Adult businesses would have to close between midnight and 6 a.m. and could not sell alcohol.
•Adult businesses could not be opened within 1,000 feet of a school, church, day-care facility, library, park, residence or another adult business.

If upheld in court, the law probably would shut down strip clubs and adult bookstores, said attorney Dick Bryant, who represents about a dozen adult entertainment businesses in the Kansas City area.

“But I have every confidence that the courts will find the same problems that existed last time around,” he said. “Once again, the First Amendment will protect what it’s designed to protect.”

Bryant said that if passed into law, the legislation could wind up costing the state millions in lost tax revenue and in compensation payments for forcing the businesses to close.

“I guess if taxpayers truly want to spend $1 million a pop for getting rid of stores, more power to them,” he said.

The proximity of Bartle’s grand jury testimony to the Senate debate was a coincidence, the Lee’s Summit Republican insisted, although he acknowledged that it might be a beneficial one for his bill.
“I’m not going to deny that the environment right now is opportune for placing this legislation before the legislature,” he said. “But it was not coordinated.”

Bartle initially filed the bill in December and it was passed out of committee early last week, before his appearance Tuesday before the grand jury was publicized.

Coincidental or not, Capitol observers said that the ongoing investigation will make passage more likely of what is already a politically perilous bill to oppose during an election year.

“Because of the grand jury investigation, I hope Senator Bartle’s bill will have a much easier time this session,” said House Speaker Pro Tem Bryan Pratt, a Blue Springs Republican. “And it’s my sense that it will.”
The lone dissenter in the Senate was Kansas City Democrat Jolie Justus, who first attempted to exempt Kansas City from the legislation’s restrictions, then voiced the only audible vote against it.

Justus cited Kansas City’s local ordinances regulating adult businesses and invoked the right of cities and counties to manage their own affairs as reasons for the exemption.

“(Cities) have shown it is possible to self-regulate on these issues,” she said.
Justus also echoed Bryant’s concern that the new regulations could force strip clubs and other adult businesses to close, which would have economic ramifications for the city and statewide.

Adult businesses in Missouri employ 3,000 people, she pointed out, and many of those could be forced out of their jobs by Bartle’s bill.
“This is not the time to cut jobs,” Justus argued.

But she was challenged by Sen. Charlie Shields, a St. Joseph Republican whose district includes part of Kansas City’s Northland, and by Bartle, who wondered if exempting Kansas City from the law would attract such businesses to the city.

“This will make Kansas City the porn capital of Missouri,” Bartle said.
Justus’ amendment was defeated.

Seeking to allay constitutional fears that typically arise in debates over regulating adult businesses, Bartle stressed that all the measures had been passed— and upheld — elsewhere.

“I know that the members of this body are not interested in passing another bill that doesn’t have a reasonable chance of withstanding the scrutiny of the courts,” he said. “I think this will withstand constitutional scrutiny.”

As for what happened with his 2005 bill, Bartle said federal authorities are interested in how the legislation died in the House after being sent to an unfriendly committee.

Four days before the bill was assigned to that committee, strip club owners gave $35,000 to a fundraising group with ties to a top adviser to former House speaker Rod Jetton.

Bartle said he thought that donation was directly related to the undermining of his legislation.

Jetton has denied any wrongdoing in connection with the handling of the bill.

The grand jury, which has not issued any indictments, is expected to reconvene on March 9.

http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1728382.html

[Bane]

:shrug:
I haven't been to a strip bar in years anyway.

[BigRedChief]

:shrug:
I haven't been to a strip bar in years anyway.me either.:rolleyes:

[wilas101]

me either but that doesn't mean some ass in jeff city should fix it so i can't have the option.

[Bane]

me either but that doesn't mean some ass in jeff city should fix it so i can't have the option.

I agree.Guess that will step the market up for the private dancers.:D

[wilas101]

I've heard the strip joints in Iowa are better anyway.

maybe someone can shed some light on that.

[BigRedChief]

me either but that doesn't mean some ass in jeff city should fix it so i can't have the option.Legislating morality never works.

[philfree]

What are the laws in Kansas and Illinois? This would probably just push a bunch of revenue across the state lines. Besides Strippers are people too!


PhilFree:arrow:

[ChiefsCountry]

As long as they dont take away lap dances.
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[BigRock]

Show Me State MY ASS

[Bane]

I grew up in southern IL,around Carbondale.There were 2 clubs close to SIU that we all went to.The Gallery had better looking girls,but they kept a thong on,and JB's which they got birthday suit naked in.We'd g into JB's on the weekends and they'd have 20-30 different girls dancing,most of which went to SIU,and most of them were very good looking.You'd always have a few that weren't so hot,but after a few drinks they'd look better for some reason.Anyway they had cheap drinks,and nice girls and we always had a blast there.Guess thats been 10 years or so ago...Ahhhhh,the good ole days.....

[philfree]

Show Me State my ass.

LOL I'd rather it be the Show Me Your T&A State.


PhilFree:arrow:

[BigRedChief]

As long as they dont take away lap dances.
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•Semi-nude dancers would have to stay at least six feet away from and not touch patrons.

[Bane]

•Semi-nude dancers would have to stay at least six feet away from and not touch patrons.

A good lap dance can sure clear you mind too...:cuss:
Well it's been so long for me now though,maybe I should hit the club before they fugg it up....ROFL

[Inspector]

Oh well, no reason to bother getting those glasses I guess.

[Pushead2]

What a load of shit!! :cuss:

[beach tribe]

OMFG.

That's funny. No nudity in a strip club. What is this, the middle east?

I feel sorry for all the old perverts in Mizzou. Looks like the sale of hard drives is about to rise in that area.

[RustShack]

Thats a recruit killer. Good thing they already got this years class.

[Pushead2]

OMFG.

That's funny. No nudity in a strip club. What is this, the middle east?

I feel sorry for all the old perverts in Mizzou. Looks like the sale of hard drives is about to rise in that area.

ROFL

[beach tribe]

Wow. So it was a sensible WOMAN who voted against this retarded ass bill they are trying to pass.

How freaking backwards are you guys' legislators up there. This will cost your state a TON of $.

[beach tribe]

Wait a damn minute. Football players love strip clubs.

NO FAs WILL WANT TO COME TO KC!!!!!

[Bugeater]

Meh, strip clubs are vile and disgusting places anyway.

[KCUnited]

I think the majority of dancers in KC might make more money with some clothing on. I've actually snatched my dollar back out the g-string when the pancake titty flopped out.

[Lonewolf Ed]

•Semi-nude dancers would have to stay at least six feet away from and not touch patrons.

I guess that kinda takes the lap part of the dancing out of the equation.

[Stinger]

Meh, strip clubs are vile and disgusting places anyway.

You mean Sunshine and Bubbles are not going back to school and major in Quantum Physics with the tips they making?


:eek: ............... :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

[Royal Fanatic]

Just when the Republicans are on a roll, a maority of the voters hates the way the Democrats are trying to pass intrusive and idiotic legislation, and momentum is building for the 2010 elections, this right-wing extremist decides to remind everyone that the Republicans have their own ideological agendas and that they like to intrude into peoples' lives just as much as the Democrats do.

Nice.

[Iowanian]

Their lack of foresight is baffling. Do these lawmakers not understand that the enrollment of community colleges and law schools is about to drop in half!!!!



I haven't been in years, but it doesn't matter, this is a first amendment issue, and grown adults should have the right to shake their saline inflated milk cans in the face of sweaty fat guys if they choose to do so.

[KCUnited]

What are they going to ban next, sweatpants at the scrip club?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

best clubs are in Topeka and Sauget anyhow...

[mikeyis4dcats.]

but you will still be able to pull off I-70 between KC and STL and get your subway sandwich, buy some cigs, fireworks, porno, a 40 of Colt 45 and a walnut bowl all under one roof.

[BigRedChief]

Just when the Republicans are on a roll, a maority of the voters hates the way the Democrats are trying to pass intrusive and idiotic legislation, and momentum is building for the 2010 elections, this right-wing extremist decides to remind everyone that the Republicans have their own ideological agendas and that they like to intrude into peoples' lives just as much as the Democrats do.

Nice.dude. keep partisan politics out of this. This is the lounge not the DC. This is about boobies.

[tyler360]

Isn't there more important stuff to worry about than strip clubs right now?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

looks like Pac Man isnt gonna visit Missouri anytime soon

[eazyb81]

You guys should see the clubs they have in Canada.

Incredible.

[Nixhex]

I don't frequent strip clubs. However, this isn't exactly the most pressing issue right now. Why in the fuck are these retards wasting time on morality laws when we have so many more bigger problems? Seriously. Unemployment is high. Lots of people becoming homeless. The highways are full of potholes. I could go on. We have all these other pressing issues and they want to fuck around with this. Unbelievable. This country is going to hell folks. Disgusting.

[KC native]

Man, I went to a strip club in KC a few years ago and was surprised how crappy it was. Now, they're trying to make it worse. Dallas may be in the bible belt but they know how to make a first rate strip club here. FYI if you're down here The Lodge in Dallas is the nicest strip club you'll go to. Log cabin decor, nice non-fat but not bean pole strippers. All in all, a great time. Strip clubs are one of the few things that Texas does right.

[Cannibal]

Reminds of KS's antiquated liquor laws which still require "3.2" beer instead of "6.0" beer in groceries and convienence stores. Also can't serve liquor in groceries or convienence stores.

QT wants to expand in KS, but stated that at this time they won't due to our liquor laws.

[Bwana]

Man, I went to a strip club in KC a few years ago and was surprised how crappy it was. Now, they're trying to make it worse. Dallas may be in the bible belt but they know how to make a first rate strip club here. FYI if you're down here The Lodge in Dallas is the nicest strip club you'll go to. Log cabin decor, nice non-fat but not bean pole strippers. All in all, a great time. Strip clubs are one of the few things that Texas does right.

Yep, they have some top notch ti**y shakers down there.

[sedated]

I haven't been in years, but it doesn't matter, this is a first amendment issue, and grown adults should have the right to shake their saline inflated milk cans in the face of sweaty fat guys if they choose to do so.

My thoughts exactly.


And it seems pretty hypocritical of politicians, who probably spend more money at strip clubs than your average joe. Shit, they probably wrote this bill at one.

[sedated]

KC strip clubs have problems now as it is. You can either see tits without drinking, or see pasties while sipping on a brew. Their laws on strip clubs seem like something from Kansas or Oklahoma.

[Molitoth]

Government; taking away our freedom and liberty one day at a time.

[Nixhex]

Reminds of KS's antiquated liquor laws which still require "3.2" beer instead of "6.0" beer in groceries and convienence stores. Also can't serve liquor in groceries or convienence stores.

QT wants to expand in KS, but stated that at this time they won't due to our liquor laws.


There is a QT down on Southwest Blvd in KC. It was in KS but just barely. They recently knocked the building down moved it back a few feet into Missouri and rebuilt it.

[Frazod]

I didn't even know Missouri had strip clubs (granted, I haven't lived there in many years). We always had to go to Chills N Thrills in Ottumwa.

[Cannibal]

There is a QT down on Southwest Blvd in KC. It was in KS but just barely. They recently knocked the building down moved it back a few feet into Missouri and rebuilt it.

LOL that is funny, but not surprising at all.

[Cannibal]

There is a QT down on Southwest Blvd in KC. It was in KS but just barely. They recently knocked the building down moved it back a few feet into Missouri and rebuilt it.

Although it does point out how legislating morality can hurt business and hurt job growth. QT is a decent job these days. From what I've heard they pay pretty well for the type of work it is.

[KC native]

Although it does point out how legislating morality can hurt business and hurt job growth. QT is a decent job these days. From what I've heard they pay pretty well for the type of work it is.

Yes they do and they have the best benefits for the type of work it is.

[vailpass]

I've heard the strip joints in Iowa are better anyway.

maybe someone can shed some light on that.

Woody's in Cedar Rapids has all nude all the time. You can bring your own beers and put them in the cooler located in the middle of your table.
I'm not joe strip club guy but it seems like that is the way a strip club should be set up.

[eazyb81]

Anyone know if the The Outhouse in Lawrence is still open? That place was wild.

[vailpass]

You guys should see the clubs they have in Canada.

Incredible.

There is a club in Montreal on St. Catherine that is top shelf.

[Royal Fanatic]

dude. keep partisan politics out of this. This is the lounge not the DC. This is about boobies.

I think the thread is really about some dickwad politician wanting to force everybody to live by his moral standards. That sounds pretty political to me.

However, I agree that boobies are a lot more fun to talk about. So just to get into the spirit of things ....

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1009/1429187231_fdbab74b92.jpg

[eazyb81]

There is a club in Montreal on St. Catherine that is top shelf.

Montreal might have the best clubs in North America. The girls that get shipped in from Eastern Europe are amazingly hot. There are a few places in Niagara that aren't too shabby either, better than what i've seen in MO or KS.

[Nixhex]

Although it does point out how legislating morality can hurt business and hurt job growth. QT is a decent job these days. From what I've heard they pay pretty well for the type of work it is.


They do pay well. That's why they are the best gas station around. Period. And yes that is a perfect example of how legislating morality can hurt business.

[Extra Point]

One thing that will never be in this area: The Windsor Ballet.

[MikeMaslowski]

Damn, poor Privates graduating basic... 7 years ago When I got done at Ft. Leonard Wood I went to a place called Big Louies.. It was a hands on strip joint, I was shocked. And happy.

[KC native]

Montreal might have the best clubs in North America. The girls that get shipped in from Eastern Europe are amazingly hot. There are a few places in Niagara that aren't too shabby either, better than what i've seen in MO or KS.

You've got to come to Dallas then. There are imports from Europe and Russia. Full nude BYOB's (that are actually good) and traditional topless ones.

[L.A. Chieffan]

They passed a similar law like this in LA county and everybody just ignored it anyways. These things never go over too well and really only serves the purpose of getting some dudes name in the news

[MOhillbilly]

They passed a similar law like this in LA county and everybody just ignored it anyways. These things never go over too well and really only serves the purpose of getting some dudes name in the news

same thing here is spfld.

[RJ]

What is the purpose of this bill? Is it a morality issue or is it about crime associated with strip clubs?

[Bob Dole]

QT is a decent job these days. From what I've heard they pay pretty well for the type of work it is.

QT has been a decent job (for what it is--a young person's job) since Chester started the company. He figured out a long time ago that if you pay your employees a decent wage, they usually won't rob you blind.

[Bugeater]

Reminds of KS's antiquated liquor laws which still require "3.2" beer instead of "6.0" beer in groceries and convienence stores. Also can't serve liquor in groceries or convienence stores.

QT wants to expand in KS, but stated that at this time they won't due to our liquor laws.
Liquor laws are strange everywhere, I worked at a hotel with a bar years ago, it was legal for beer to be delivered and charged, but we had to go pick up the liquor ourselves and we had to write a check for it on the spot. Funny thing was I was only 19 at the time but yet it was legal for me to pick it up and write the check. Didn't really make much sense at all, I was minor driving around with sometimes thousands of dollars worth of booze in the car.

[Frazod]

What is the purpose of this bill? Is it a morality issue or is it about crime associated with strip clubs?

Destroying small businesses?

It's sort of like the anti-smoking laws. Actually, it's exactly like the anti-smoking laws. Benefits are debatable at best, only enjoyed by people who wouldn't frequent the establishments in question in the first place. Employees lose their jobs, business owners lose their businesses, landlords lose their tenants, and so on and so on and so on. Yet fascist politicians tell us it's all for the best.

America FUCK YEAH! :shake:

[sedated]

QT has been a decent job (for what it is--a young person's job) since Chester started the company. He figured out a long time ago that if you pay your employees a decent wage, they usually won't rob you blind.

its amazing how many employers don't realize that higher wage=better employee.

the person who hires at my company has extreme limitations on new employees' salaries. its an office job, but entry level gets paid slightly more than fast food. and the higher-ups are always bithcing about how new hires never stay for very long, and blame the person who does the hiring for the trash that low salaries attract.

[Titty Meat]

Thats the Christian Right for you.

[Cannibal]

QT has been a decent job (for what it is--a young person's job) since Chester started the company. He figured out a long time ago that if you pay your employees a decent wage, they usually won't rob you blind.

I've always wondered if it was a private company. It has exploded over the last 20 years. Would have been nice to have stock in it during the mid 80's.

[Bugeater]

Destroying small businesses?

It's sort of like the anti-smoking laws. Actually, it's exactly like the anti-smoking laws. Benefits are debatable at best, only enjoyed by people who wouldn't frequent the establishments in question in the first place. Employees lose their jobs, business owners lose their businesses, landlords lose their tenants, and so on and so on and so on. Yet fascist politicians tell us it's all for the best.

America **** YEAH! :shake:
As much as I hate to admit it, the few times I've gone out since the statewide ban was enacted here it seemed the bars were still getting pretty good crowds. Still doesn't make it right though...

[KC native]

As much as I hate to admit it, the few times I've gone out since the statewide ban was enacted here it seemed the bars were still getting pretty good crowds. Still doesn't make it right though...

Yea, the bar owners in DFW were bitching about it saying it would drive away business. Well, 6 months later the news followed up with some of the bar owners and they were surprised because they sold more alcohol when people couldn't stand around and smoke. You hear almost no one (excluding smokers) bitch about the ban now.

[Mr. Laz]

What are the laws in Kansas and Illinois? This would probably just push a bunch of revenue across the state lines. Besides Strippers are people too!




PhilFree:arrow:actually Kansas is stricter already

i don't know if strip bars are even allow at all.

[Titty Meat]

The outhouse is the best it has full nudity and its BYOB.

[Mr. Laz]

Thats the Christian Right for you.Yup

[RJ]

Destroying small businesses?

It's sort of like the anti-smoking laws. Actually, it's exactly like the anti-smoking laws. Benefits are debatable at best, only enjoyed by people who wouldn't frequent the establishments in question in the first place. Employees lose their jobs, business owners lose their businesses, landlords lose their tenants, and so on and so on and so on. Yet fascist politicians tell us it's all for the best.

America **** YEAH! :shake:



While I'm against the no smoking in bars type laws, I can at least understand that it's potentially a health issue....potentially being the key word. But I can't see any reason for going after strip bars other than morality or associated crime. If it's morality, they should butt out. If it's associated crime, then they need to address the crime and not punish the business owners and law abiding customers.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Yea, the bar owners in DFW were bitching about it saying it would drive away business. Well, 6 months later the news followed up with some of the bar owners and they were surprised because they sold more alcohol when people couldn't stand around and smoke. You hear almost no one (excluding smokers) bitch about the ban now.

I was pissed about the smoking bans when they first went down. But I've saved so many thousands of dollars since then, that I can't bring myself to bitch about it anymore.

[Frazod]

Yea, the bar owners in DFW were bitching about it saying it would drive away business. Well, 6 months later the news followed up with some of the bar owners and they were surprised because they sold more alcohol when people couldn't stand around and smoke. You hear almost no one (excluding smokers) bitch about the ban now.

The bigger, trendier places have survived it fine. It's the small neighborhood taverns have been affected the most. And I guess losing those places would bring in more business for a surviving entities. Sort of like a Walmart opening up and killing small businesses. It's great to be Walmart, sucks not to be Walmart.

Also, as a society we are now much more accepting of having our rights trampled. We have been well trained over the past couple of decades.

[alpha_omega]

Nudity would be banned in strip clubs.

I agree...this does seem rather ironic. Strange world we live in.

[BigChiefFan]

QT started in Tulsa. The Oklahoma liquor laws are 3.2 in convient stores. I don't see how that's a problem for Kansas.

[Cannibal]

QT started in Tulsa. The Oklahoma liquor laws are 3.2 in convient stores. I don't see how that's a problem for Kansas.

http://www.kansas.com/business/story/1162837.html

What isn't likely from QuikTrip is a Kansas expansion beyond the Wichita market, Thornbrugh said: The company's store and employee costs make it essential to locate in high-volume, large-population metropolitan areas.

Further Kansas growth is hurt by liquor laws, Thornbrugh said.

"In QuikTrip's eyes, in the 21st century, it makes zero sense to have two classifications of adult beverages," he said.

"If that changes, the possibilities of not just QuikTrip but others expanding and entering the market is pretty likely."

[Bugeater]

Yea, the bar owners in DFW were bitching about it saying it would drive away business. Well, 6 months later the news followed up with some of the bar owners and they were surprised because they sold more alcohol when people couldn't stand around and smoke. You hear almost no one (excluding smokers) bitch about the ban now.
Yeah because smokers are scumbag second class citizens so who cares what they think, right?

[vailpass]

QT made it's way to Phoenix a couple years ago. They destroy Circle K, 7-11, Arco, et al
Bigger, faster, cleaner. I stay away from convenience stores but if I will go to a QT.

[BigChiefFan]

http://www.kansas.com/business/story/1162837.html

What isn't likely from QuikTrip is a Kansas expansion beyond the Wichita market, Thornbrugh said: The company's store and employee costs make it essential to locate in high-volume, large-population metropolitan areas.

Further Kansas growth is hurt by liquor laws, Thornbrugh said.




"In QuikTrip's eyes, in the 21st century, it makes zero sense to have two classifications of adult beverages," he said.

"If that changes, the possibilities of not just QuikTrip but others expanding and entering the market is pretty likely."

Yes, because the distribution center is in MISSOURI, that makes sense from a business stand point. My point was, that the liquor laws of Oklahoma did NOT STOP them from growing in Oklahoma.

[philfree]

actually Kansas is stricter already

i don't know if strip bars are even allow at all.

Isn't there a club in Pittsburgh, KS. ? I know some dancers here in Springfield who are from that area and they got their start somewhere around there.


PhilFree:arrow:

[philfree]

I wonder if the people against the clubs realize that the dancers feed their families with the money they make dancing. And for alot of them it's pretty much the only way the have.


PhilFree:arrow:

[ottawa_chiefs_fan]

Montreal, FTW

[RippedmyFlesh]

While I'm against the no smoking in bars type laws, I can at least understand that it's potentially a health issue....potentially being the key word. But I can't see any reason for going after strip bars other than morality or associated crime. If it's morality, they should butt out. If it's associated crime, then they need to address the crime and not punish the business owners and law abiding customers.
They should just do what they do in boston and have a "combat" zone. A small section of the city zoned for adult businesses. It's good for law enforcement because it kinda of keeps everything in a managable space instead of having the adult businesses all over the place. Then basically you don't go near those type of businesses unless you choose to.
I haven't been to strip clubs in years but when I went in upstate ny it was basically topless clubs could sell liquor, totally nude clubs couldn't sell liquor. The topless clubs where I went seemed more "normal" guys drinking beers looking at titties. The nude clubs with no liquor were creepier...Drinking beer and looking at boobies was kinda of normal...looking at naked chicks with no liquor made it more of a bookstore with booths kind of enviroment.

[LaChapelle]

Spackle is not detectable at 6 feet

[sedated]

actually Kansas is stricter already

i don't know if strip bars are even allow at all.

I'm not sure about that.

The Outhouse is BYOB and full nudity (which is IMO preferrable to MO's pasties/beer or titties/no beer philosophy).

And IIRC the Olathe strip clubs sell beer and show tits.

[RippedmyFlesh]

Spackle is not detectable at 6 feet
Unless of course she has spackle radar...then all bets are off

[BigRedChief]

Unless of course she has spackle radar...then all bets are offCan you get those along I-70?

[RJ]

How did the convenience store topic become part of a tittie bar thread? Do these QT stores offer strippers along with the fuel, coffee and icy cold beverages?

[BigRedChief]

Do these QT stores offer strippers along with the fuel, coffee and icy cold beverages?Damn good idea! :clap:

[RJ]

They should just do what they do in boston and have a "combat" zone. A small section of the city zoned for adult businesses. It's good for law enforcement because it kinda of keeps everything in a managable space instead of having the adult businesses all over the place. Then basically you don't go near those type of businesses unless you choose to.
I haven't been to strip clubs in years but when I went in upstate ny it was basically topless clubs could sell liquor, totally nude clubs couldn't sell liquor. The topless clubs where I went seemed more "normal" guys drinking beers looking at titties. The nude clubs with no liquor were creepier...Drinking beer and looking at boobies was kinda of normal...looking at naked chicks with no liquor made it more of a bookstore with booths kind of enviroment.



Yeah, I went one of those. Once. The place was creepy and dingy, the patrons were creepier and dingier and the girls were average looking at best. Some were just plain Fugly. Definitely not worth the price of admission. That was 30 years ago, maybe they're nicer these days.

[RJ]

Damn good idea! :clap:


It would surely bring in the truckers.

[SDChiefs]

Sucks to be you guys. How do you have no nudity at a strip club. Thats like an oxymoron. Why don't they just ban strip clubs?

[RJ]

Sucks to be you guys. How do you have no nudity at a strip club. Thats like an oxymoron. Why don't they just ban strip clubs?


They're also considering a ban on serving alcohol in bars.

[BigRedChief]

They're also considering a ban on serving alcohol in bars.And BBQ in KC?:eek:

[BigRedChief]

Sucks to be you guys. How do you have no nudity at a strip club. Thats like an oxymoron. Why don't they just ban strip clubs?Full nudity = No alcohol. G string and pasties for the nips= Alcohol

[KC native]

Yeah, I went one of those. Once. The place was creepy and dingy, the patrons were creepier and dingier and the girls were average looking at best. Some were just plain Fugly. Definitely not worth the price of admission. That was 30 years ago, maybe they're nicer these days.

Yea for the most part they suck (creepy,dirty,ugly strippers). My friend dragged me to one and even paid my admission because, "It's in a fucking metal building." I wanted no part of it and once we got inside let's just say :Lin:

I have however been to a nice BYOB (relatively speaking) named Jaguars in Arlington. The girls actually looked good in there. I've heard there are two similar quality BYOB ones in Dallas. Like I said before, Texas doesn't do much right but they do stripclubs very well.

[sedated]

The last strip club I went to was in Canton for the DT hall of fame induction. Chenz dragged me there after he struck out with one of the local girls at the bar. (Although to his credit she continued to text him the entire weekend and wanted him to send "sexy pics")

It seemed fairly nice, although I don't remember many details, other than waking up and seeing numerous ATM receipts in my wallet.

[petegz28]

As long as they dont take away lap dances.
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•Semi-nude dancers would have to stay at least six feet away from and not touch patrons.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dumbest fucking thing EVER.

Has the state of Missouri gone full-on Puritan?

This has got to be THE most ridiculous law ever, worse than the "Blue" laws by a mile.

[PunkinDrublic]

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[PunkinDrublic]

For a while they were forcing the strip clubs here in Texas to charge a mandatory $10 cover charge that would go directly to abused women shelters. Because going to a titty bar equals abuse of women. Moronic feminist logic.
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[POND_OF_RED]

At first thought I hated this idea. Then I got to thinking that these girls aren't going to make any money any more if this passes and they'll have to turn to prostitution which I am all for. We might start getting some of the hottest hookers money can buy. Anything beats what I got the other night down off prospect. Although it might be weird buying one with teeth.

[ClevelandBronco]

Legislating morality never works.

Of course it works. We have laws against theft and murder for instance. Should we do away with those laws because they don't work?

[Mr. Laz]

I'm not sure about that.

The Outhouse is BYOB and full nudity (which is IMO preferrable to MO's pasties/beer or titties/no beer philosophy).

And IIRC the Olathe strip clubs sell beer and show tits.wow... i guess i'm just old and don't know where they are anymore.

tis sad really :sulk:

[Mr. Laz]

Of course it works. We have laws against theft and murder for instance. Should we do away with those laws because they don't work?
those laws are based on protection first that happen to also be "moral"

1 person stealing from another = protection + morality
1 person murdering from another = protection + morality
outlawing bare boobies = morality only

[ClevelandBronco]

those laws are based on protection first that happen to also be "moral"

1 person stealing from another = protection + morality
1 person murdering from another = protection + morality
outlawing bare boobies = morality only

Protecting what? Without a moral viewpoint there's nothing to protect. It's not your property without there being a moral basis for the laws that define it as yours. Same with your life.

The basis of any law is morality.

For what it's worth, I think the law in question in the OP is silly.

[Mr. Laz]

Protecting what? Without a moral viewpoint there's nothing to protect. It's not your property without there being a moral basis for the laws that define it as yours. Same with your life.

The basis of any law is morality.

For what it's worth, I think the law in question in the OP is silly.
"without a moral viewpoint there's nothing to protect"

no, not really

Big hairy man grabs stick and bashes small guy's head it

law protects small guy's health

Big hairy man threatens small guy and takes his money

law protects small guy's money

Big hairy man bends small guy over and sticks big hairy penis up small guys ass.

law protects small guy's ass

Big hairy man ask small guy if he wants to have sex, small guy says yes.

law isn't protecting anything ... it's making a moral judging about gay sex


protection base laws might or might not be moral

but

moral laws don't have to be about protection.

two separate issues

[ClevelandBronco]

"without a moral viewpoint there's nothing to protect"

no, not really

Big hairy man grabs stick and bashes small guy's head it

law protects small guy's health

Big hairy man threatens small guy and takes his money

law protects small guy's money

Big hairy man bends small guy over and sticks big hairy penis up small guys ass.

law protects small guy's ass

Big hairy man ask small guy if he wants to have sex, small guy says yes.

law isn't protecting anything ... it's making a moral judging about gay sex


protection base laws might or might not be moral

but

moral laws don't have to be about protection.

two separate issues

His health, his money, and his ass don't belong to him at all without a moral viewpoint.

Your rebuttal didn't rebut at all.

[ChiefsCountry]

So why Jeff City wants to close them down here is a list of the ones I have been to in order of how awesome they are (for a strip club, they aren't the classiest places in the world). Sorry I'm a single guy in my 20's who has had decent jobs and money to blow on these shitty places. Not to mention all of my dumbass friends who have gotten married young, so we bachelor party it up. Kill me later.

1) Club Vogue - Columbia
2) Flirt - Osage Beach
3) Some place in KC not Bazookas but the street over (basically stumbled into this place after a night of drinking at P&L and won $500 bucks at the casnio so I did my best Hootie impression)- KC
4) Illusions - Springfield
5) Eclipse - Sunrise Beach
6) Bazookas - KC
7) Earth Angels - Eldon
8) Some place in Warrensburg next to the Airport on Hwy 50 - The Burg
9) Crazy Horse - Springfield holy shit that was bad, dumb bastard wanted to go their for a bachelor part worst idea ever.

I'm sure Hamas and some others have a better list than me.

[Rain Man]

If there's no nudity, is it really stripping? There needs to be a law against laws against stripping.

[Simply Red]

Atlanta has a few. They're nude and you can drink.

[Mr. Laz]

His health, his money, and his ass don't belong to him at all without a moral viewpoint.

Your rebuttal didn't rebut at all.
now you're just getting all philosophical to avoid the point.

what is right, without wrong
what is the light without dark


bottomline is that laws can be about morality without any real protection going on. I suppose you could argue that outlawing nudity protects a person's "spirit" or something but that's a big time grey area in the court of laws and facts.

Most laws are design to provide protection.

protect 1 person from another, even protect a person from themselves.

when law makers start dictating right and right without using protection as a guild then it's a real problem imo.

[ClevelandBronco]

Getting philosophical about morality to avoid the point? That is the point.

[Titty Meat]

So why Jeff City wants to close them down here is a list of the ones I have been to in order of how awesome they are (for a strip club, they aren't the classiest places in the world). Sorry I'm a single guy in my 20's who has had decent jobs and money to blow on these shitty places. Not to mention all of my dumbass friends who have gotten married young, so we bachelor party it up. Kill me later.

1) Club Vogue - Columbia
2) Flirt - Osage Beach
3) Some place in KC not Bazookas but the street over (basically stumbled into this place after a night of drinking at P&L and won $500 bucks at the casnio so I did my best Hootie impression)- KC
4) Illusions - Springfield
5) Eclipse - Sunrise Beach
6) Bazookas - KC
7) Earth Angels - Eldon
8) Some place in Warrensburg next to the Airport on Hwy 50 - The Burg
9) Crazy Horse - Springfield holy shit that was bad, dumb bastard wanted to go their for a bachelor part worst idea ever.

I'm sure Hamas and some others have a better list than me.


# 3 Totally Nude?

[DaneMcCloud]

Tits are cool.

Missouri senators are not.

[Titty Meat]

Tits are cool.

Missouri senators are not.

When I come to LA can you get that chick from Americas Next Top Model to show me her tits?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Tits are cool.

Missouri senators are not.

Shit, Missouri and Kansas have become the two most conservative states in the country.

I'm just shocked that the Senator was from Lee's Summit, and not Springfield.

[ClevelandBronco]

Tits are cool.

Missouri senators are not.

And that's why almost no one says, "Check out the Missouri senators on her."

[BigRedChief]

This is a lovely Valentines day present.....


Posted on Thu, Feb. 11, 2010
Missouri Senate passes bill limiting sexual businesses


JEFFERSON CITY | The Missouri Senate has passed legislation imposing new restrictions on sexually oriented businesses.
The legislation would ban nudity at strip clubs and force partly nude employees to stay 6 feet away from customers. It also would make strip clubs and adult video stores close by midnight and restrict the location of new adult entertainment businesses.
Senators passed the bill 29-2 Thursday, sending it to the House.

The bill by Republican Sen. Matt Bartle, of Lee's Summit, received initial approval last week shortly after Bartle testified before a federal grand jury. Bartle contends there was a link between a $35,000 donation by the adult entertainment industry to a political committee and the demise in the House of a similar bill he sponsored in 2005.

[DaneMcCloud]

This is a lovely Valentines day present.....


Posted on Thu, Feb. 11, 2010
Missouri Senate passes bill limiting sexual businesses


JEFFERSON CITY | The Missouri Senate has passed legislation imposing new restrictions on sexually oriented businesses.
The legislation would ban nudity at strip clubs and force partly nude employees to stay 6 feet away from customers. It also would make strip clubs and adult video stores close by midnight and restrict the location of new adult entertainment businesses.
Senators passed the bill 29-2 Thursday, sending it to the House.

The bill by Republican Sen. Matt Bartle, of Lee's Summit, received initial approval last week shortly after Bartle testified before a federal grand jury. Bartle contends there was a link between a $35,000 donation by the adult entertainment industry to a political committee and the demise in the House of a similar bill he sponsored in 2005.

Phone tap me all you want, track my internet usage and even my bank account.

But once you start fucking with the titties, I'm out and moving to another state.

Un. Real.

[seclark]

This is a lovely Valentines day present.....


Posted on Thu, Feb. 11, 2010
Missouri Senate passes bill limiting sexual businesses


JEFFERSON CITY | The Missouri Senate has passed legislation imposing new restrictions on sexually oriented businesses.
The legislation would ban nudity at strip clubs and force partly nude employees to stay 6 feet away from customers. It also would make strip clubs and adult video stores close by midnight and restrict the location of new adult entertainment businesses.
Senators passed the bill 29-2 Thursday, sending it to the House.

The bill by Republican Sen. Matt Bartle, of Lee's Summit, received initial approval last week shortly after Bartle testified before a federal grand jury. Bartle contends there was a link between a $35,000 donation by the adult entertainment industry to a political committee and the demise in the House of a similar bill he sponsored in 2005.

i'll never go to another strip joint in missouri. i refuse to jizz in my pants before midnight.
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[sedated]

Bartle contends there was a link between a $35,000 donation by the adult entertainment industry to a political committee and the demise in the House of a similar bill he sponsored in 2005.

um...its that how politics works? Big company/interest group donates money and gets protection from the government. If its good enough for oil, tabacco, alcohol, etc, why can't strip clubs do it?

[SDChiefs]

Full nudity = No alcohol. G string and pasties for the nips= Alcohol

Thats just wrong in so many ways. Here I thought Cali was bad with its screwed up laws like no smoking in bars. No nudity in strip clubs? Just not cool. I guess most of you can always go to the Kansas side though.

[PunkinDrublic]

You know who else doesn't allow lapdances....... The Taliban.
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[Frazod]

This is a lovely Valentines day present.....


Posted on Thu, Feb. 11, 2010
Missouri Senate passes bill limiting sexual businesses


JEFFERSON CITY | The Missouri Senate has passed legislation imposing new restrictions on sexually oriented businesses.
The legislation would ban nudity at strip clubs and force partly nude employees to stay 6 feet away from customers. It also would make strip clubs and adult video stores close by midnight and restrict the location of new adult entertainment businesses.
Senators passed the bill 29-2 Thursday, sending it to the House.

The bill by Republican Sen. Matt Bartle, of Lee's Summit, received initial approval last week shortly after Bartle testified before a federal grand jury. Bartle contends there was a link between a $35,000 donation by the adult entertainment industry to a political committee and the demise in the House of a similar bill he sponsored in 2005.

I'll bet the people who pushed this through will be jerkin it to kiddie porn tonight. 4321

[kcfanXIII]

Just when the Republicans are on a roll, a maority of the voters hates the way the Democrats are trying to pass intrusive and idiotic legislation, and momentum is building for the 2010 elections, this right-wing extremist decides to remind everyone that the Republicans have their own ideological agendas and that they like to intrude into peoples' lives just as much as the Democrats do.

Nice.

you needed to be reminded both republicans and democrats want nothing but to strip you of your liberties and freedoms? do you not pay attention or something?

[CanadianChief]

There is a club in Montreal on St. Catherine that is top shelf.

You talking about Club SuperSex on St. Catherine St??? It has three main stages with three gals on at once. When I was there these four American guys were sitting next to me at one of the main stages. They were negotiating with a smokin' hot stripper on a price for all four of them to work her over. I think she came up with $500 which included a time limit of 45 minutes for all four of them.

[CanadianChief]

The outhouse is the best it has full nudity and its BYOB.

I'm assuming the bill won't apply to The Outhouse as it's in Kansas and not Missouri?? Can someone please confirm.

[Tango&Cash]

A strip club with no nudity is like going to a bar that has no alcohol.

[sedated]

I'm assuming the bill won't apply to The Outhouse as it's in Kansas and not Missouri?? Can someone please confirm.

confirmed.

KS, for some reason, has more relaxed laws for strip clubs. They can serve alcohol and be topless, or juice bar and full nude, I believe. MO (before this law) could only serve alcohol if the strippers wore pasties.

[SDChiefs]

confirmed.

KS, for some reason, has more relaxed laws for strip clubs. They can serve alcohol and be topless, or juice bar and full nude, I believe. MO (before this law) could only serve alcohol if the strippers wore pasties.

Here in Cali full nude is 18 up and they don't serve alcohol. 21 up is topless (no pasties) and they do serve alcohol. I can't believe there is some law that Cali is more relaxed about.

[Royal Fanatic]

You know who else doesn't allow lapdances....... The Taliban.
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This.

The similarities are striking.

[gblowfish]

You can still gamble like a mofo though...

This will hurt convention biz in Missouri.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So why Jeff City wants to close them down here is a list of the ones I have been to in order of how awesome they are (for a strip club, they aren't the classiest places in the world). Sorry I'm a single guy in my 20's who has had decent jobs and money to blow on these shitty places. Not to mention all of my dumbass friends who have gotten married young, so we bachelor party it up. Kill me later.

1) Club Vogue - Columbia
2) Flirt - Osage Beach
3) Some place in KC not Bazookas but the street over (basically stumbled into this place after a night of drinking at P&L and won $500 bucks at the casnio so I did my best Hootie impression)- KC
4) Illusions - Springfield
5) Eclipse - Sunrise Beach
6) Bazookas - KC
7) Earth Angels - Eldon
8) Some place in Warrensburg next to the Airport on Hwy 50 - The Burg
9) Crazy Horse - Springfield holy shit that was bad, dumb bastard wanted to go their for a bachelor part worst idea ever.

I'm sure Hamas and some others have a better list than me.

HEY FUCK YOU!! ROFL ROFL

I've only been to a strip club 3 nights in my life.

I've been to Vogue twice. It was OK, I guess, but I heard it was much better before it was shut down for a while b/c people were running coke out of there.

That same night I ended up at a place in CoMo's called Regina's Cabaret. I think it's Stephanie's Cabaret now. It was creepy.

The only other club I've been to is Bazookas, which was ok, but overrated.

Personally, I don't like strip clubs. You aren't going to fuck the women and they are only paying attention to you b/c you are giving them money.

[joesomebody]

I think Las Vegas Lobbyists are behind this. First they got a bill passed a few years ago preventing the construction/creation of any new casinos in Missouri, and now they are tearing down our Strip Clubs...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

FWIW, I couldn't imagine anything worse than going to a strip club and seeing one of my students.

[L.A. Chieffan]

FWIW, I couldn't imagine anything worse than going to a strip club and seeing one of my students.

freebies dude

[Royal Fanatic]

FWIW, I couldn't imagine anything worse than going to a strip club and seeing one of my students.
If I were a teacher and I couldn't imagine anything better, would that make me a perv?

Just asking.

[Frazod]

I think Las Vegas Lobbyists are behind this. First they got a bill passed a few years ago preventing the construction/creation of any new casinos in Missouri, and now they are tearing down our Strip Clubs...

I don't see why it would make that much difference to people in Vegas. If I'm some guy who gets his rocks off at a strip club this won't make me want to go to Vegas - it'll just make me want to stay home and find pr0n on the internet.

I think it's mainly just bible-thumping hypocrite scum. I guess they'll be praying for everybody they'll put out of a fucking job.

Not a proud day to be from Missouri. :shake:

[DaFace]

Not that I really care about strip clubs, personally, but this is evidence of one of the many things that has made me happy about getting out of the midwest.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think it's mainly just bible-thumping hypocrite scum. I guess they'll be praying for everybody they'll put out of a fucking job.

While they're choking themselves out looking at a donkey show online.

[Frazod]

While they're choking themselves out looking at a donkey show online.

Or boning the babysitter/paper boy. It's always the ones who scream about it the loudest who are the worst.

[PunkinDrublic]

“This will make Kansas City the porn capital of Missouri,”

More like a beacon of freedom in a state infested with religious facism.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Shit, this reminds me of an awesome story.

The first time I ever go to a strip club, I go with 3 other friends. We buy a case of OE 40s (12 in a case) and polish them off before we go.

We make our way into Vogue and sit around the main stage. After a few minutes, we notice that one of our friends has disappeared, only to find him over at a side stage.

On the side stage there is a black girl dancing, with no one else around the stage but him. For whatever reason, he's always had a predilection for dark meat, and this night it seems like he wanted to get his hood pass stamped.

A few minutes later we notice a commotion. We didn't think he'd start an altercation or grab her (not that kind of guy), but what we saw was truly priceless:

He had recently gotten braces again....and they were caught in her g-string.

ROFL.

Second best part of that night?

Stripper took me up on stage, laid me down flat, put a dollar bill on my face, and picked it up.


With her lips....

[sedated]

I went to a strip club in Norman, OK (I think). We could actually drink, which was shocking, having only been to clubs in MO. They had a girl with a great body, but for some reason wore a mask on stage.

The first dance it was a white mask, which was different, but in a seductive kind of way, so I didn't notice as much.

The second dance she came out in a friggin welder's mask. I was the only one tossing dollar bills on the stage, as everyone else was weirded out by the mask. She did a head/hair flip-up type thing, the mask came open, and jacked me straight under the chin. I fell backwards into a table full of frat-looking guys, half of which tried to help me up, while the other half tried to kick my ass. The bouncer wanted to throw me out, but the stripper must've told him what happened because he eventually let me stay.

At the end of the night she finally took off the mask. She was hideous.

[Rain Man]

Personally, I don't like strip clubs. You aren't going to **** the women and they are only paying attention to you b/c you are giving them money.


And that's different from the rest of life in what way?

[ClevelandBronco]

FWIW, I couldn't imagine anything worse than going to a strip club and seeing one of my students.

Years ago I worked with a girl who had a second job at a nude joint. She didn't try to keep it quiet at all. In fact, she invited several of us to visit her at work. It was a bit strange seeing her clothed after that.

[Bwana]

:facepalm:

[Bunit]

Sucks for y'all up in Missouri. At the titty club I frequent the gals where thongs and dat be it. But when they make the booty clap it is pink and brown, pink and brown, pink and brown, and it's fucking sweeeeeeeet.

[Bunit]

If I were a teacher and I couldn't imagine anything better, would that make me a perv?

Just asking.

No, that would be fucking sweet. Or if you were a student and you seen your hot teacher. What was that one fucking movie with the cat from dawson's creek.

[gblowfish]

A lap dance is so much better when the stripper is crying.

[teedubya]

The shit they do at OutHouse outside of Lawrence, is nothing short of amazing. The place is a seedy dive, but full-nude lap dances and you can touch them all over...

it's like Disneyland.

[sedated]

The shit they do at OutHouse outside of Lawrence, is nothing short of amazing. The place is a seedy dive, but full-nude lap dances and you can touch them all over...

it's like Disneyland.

and you get to take your own cooler full of beer instead of paying $4 for a can of PBR.

[KJROD20]

You guys should see the clubs they have in Canada.

Incredible.

There is a club in Montreal on St. Catherine that is top shelf.

Montreal might have the best clubs in North America. The girls that get shipped in from Eastern Europe are amazingly hot. There are a few places in Niagara that aren't too shabby either, better than what i've seen in MO or KS.

Seconded. They have some awesome places. Last time I was there I saw a pair of smoking hot twins 69ing each other on stage. Fantastic.

The outhouse is the best it has full nudity and its BYOB.

There's a place in Jersey my friends and I have our man nights at that is the same thing. It's awesome. Unlike the places in the city that have 14 dollar miller lites.

[Tango&Cash]

This is going to lead to undercover cops hanging out at these places, wasting tax dollars on something completely retarded, when there is REAL crime going on during these times of the night. Completely and utterly stupid IMO.

I've been to a strip bar in Columbia where you used to be able to bring in coolers full of beer and drink there til 4am or so til the place closed. I went there again when i was in town 6-8 months later with some friends, we show up with the cooler and the guy told us that we could no longer bring beer in the club. So we left. Then a few months later I hear from a buddy that same place doesn't even allow touching or anything during lap dances. WTF kind of strip club is that??? That's like going to a bar and the bar's not allowed to serve any booze to anyone.

[Rain Man]

Q: Who bans the viewing of female bodies?

A: The Taliban and Missouri.

[Garcia Bronco]

I love bills in a recession that inhibit business. It's so damn smart.

[Frazod]

I love bills in a recession that inhibit business. It's so damn smart.

Exactly. Hey, I know - let's reinstate prohibition! I'm sure that's right up the alley of the dickbags who support this kind of crap.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Exactly. Hey, I know - let's reinstate prohibition! I'm sure that's right up the alley of the dickbags who support this kind of crap.

They already did that shit again in the 1980s when fucktard Elizabeth Dole forced every state to make their drinking age 21 or the gov't would withhold federal funding for highways.

[Frazod]

The really scary part is that this bill passed by a vote of 29-2.

29-2.

I mean.... fuck, it's hard to wrap my mind around that. Out of 31 elected senators, 29 thought this fascist, job-killing bullshit was a good idea.

:shake:

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The really scary part is that this bill passed by a vote of 29-2.

29-2.

I mean.... fuck, it's hard to wrap my mind around that. Out of 31 elected senators, 29 thought this fascist, job-killing bullshit was a good idea.

:shake:

I'd imagine the break down was something like this:

21/21 Rs voted for it.

8/10 Ds voted for it.

Given that almost all Republicans are moral fascists and almost all Democrats are spineless pussies who worry about fitting in with the "family values" crowd, that sounds about right.

[Frazod]

I'd imagine the break down was something like this:

21/21 Rs voted for it.

8/10 Ds voted for it.

Given that almost all Republicans are moral fascists and almost all Democrats are spineless pussies who worry about fitting in with the "family values" crowd, that sounds about right.

Sounds about right.

[sedated]

The really scary part is that this bill passed by a vote of 29-2.

29-2.

I mean.... ****, it's hard to wrap my mind around that. Out of 31 elected senators, 29 thought this fascist, job-killing bullshit was a good idea.

:shake:

when its all about image and appealing to the suburban, church-going, parental demographic, I'm shocked there are 2 people who voted against it.

I can already see the TV ads before the next election. "Senator X voted in favor of building strip clubs next to elementary schools."

[Frazod]

when its all about image and appealing to the suburban, church-going, parental demographic, I'm shocked there are 2 people who voted against it.

I can already see the TV ads before the next election. "Senator X voted in favor of building strip clubs next to elementary schools."

I wonder how much better things would be if voters had to be able to pass a basic IQ test?

[RJ]

The really scary part is that this bill passed by a vote of 29-2.

29-2.

I mean.... ****, it's hard to wrap my mind around that. Out of 31 elected senators, 29 thought this fascist, job-killing bullshit was a good idea.

:shake:



Apparently only two senators were concerned about losing the tittie bar customer/owner/employee vote.