Pioli, Here's How the Chiefs Can Dominate the Draft

[BigChiefFan]

I've tried to consider value, along with need, a way to improve for the long-term, without consideration to FA. Here's how I'd draft for the Chiefs, based on many mocks and where I believe these players will go. This is a deep draft, we should use it to benefit. (I'm not going to give extensive write-up on these players, but they are worth looking into, if you aren't familiar with them)


Round 1-WR-Dez Bryant- I said months ago, that I thought he would be a great selection and I stand by that. The kid is a sure-handed, talented WR, who will IMPROVE our wide-outs, long-term. He can also return punts and kick-offs. His stats speak for themselves.

Round 2-ILBer-Brandon Spikes-A true talent at his position. The captain of his defense, and a recognizable player for his skills. He's got above average speed for an ILBer and should be able to cover passes well, evidenced by his 4 Ints for TDs.

Round 2-SS Chad Jones-The highest rated SS in the draft for many. LSU's player has the size and speed to play at the next level, and led all secondary players on LSU, last year. He can also return punts.

Round 3-C-Matt Tennant, Boston College's brick wall, should be available with this pick and we should be all over it. He's a little undersized, but he can hold his own at the point of attack. 40 games as a starter for BC, is worth serious consideration here in the 3rd round.

Round 4-NT-Cam Thomas,The much needed NT, that should help give us some depth and hopefully, push for a starting role, if he lives up to expectations.

Round 5-HB-Ben Tate,Auburn's workhorse gives us much needed depth at the HB spot and has good upside at contributing immediately.

Round 5-WR-Mike Williams,I don't like to duplicate positions in the draft, but Williams has 1st round talent, but has had academic problems in the past. The Syracuse stand-out is a steal this late in the draft.

Round 5-TE-Tony Moeki,-It's not about having to have a quality TE, but Moeki has starting ability and has a shot to contribute immediately. His talent is too much to pass on and just happens to fill a huge void.

Thoughts and comments welcomed.

[BigCatDaddy]

I like everything except Bryant. Sub him out for Williams, Graham, Berry, or a QB and I'm good.

[Chiefnj2]

1. Bryant - I too think he can be a playmaker and very valuable to KC. KC doesn't have anyone on the roster with hands like him. I don't think he's nearly as slow as some make him out to be.

2. Spikes - At this point he still looks like a solid prospect. The combine tends to weed out linebackers (non-pass rush). Slow times drops prospects like a rock - see LSU LBs.

2b. Jones - would be good value at 2b.

3. Tennant - not as good as Pouncey, but should be an improvement over Niswanger.

4. Thomas - good value at a position of need.

5th round - I'd say KC needs to find a situational pass rusher and another offensive lineman to develop.

[Saccopoo]

Chad Jones is a concussion away from playing in MLB. He's got all the physical tools, but I'd worry about his experience (or lack thereof) at safety and his capability of earning just as much money or more playing baseball. (Was the reliever on LSU's National Championship baseball team and was very impressive in the title game.) Maybe look at a guy like Reshard Jones of Georgia or Morgan Burnett of Georgia Tech, two guys with a bit more flexibility as they could play either safety spot?

Ben Tate is referred to as a power back, north south type of runner, but I wonder if he has the size, at 5'11", 215 lbs., to do that effectively at the next level. Charles Scott of LSU is bigger, but failed his physical at the Senior Bowl with the same type of injury that sidelined Charles Rodgers. Maybe a small school guy like Joique Bell (Reaper?), but he seems to be near identical to Javarris Williams.

Mike Williams is a potential powder keg. Dismissed for academic fraud. Reinstated the next season, but then gets suspended for violating team rules. Then the next season, he just up and quits the team. Walks. I can't see Pioli/Haley/Weiss wanting that much potential trouble on the team. Perhaps a rush backer prospect at this point? A guy like Cameron Sheffield of Troy or Perry Riley of LSU?

With all the needs on upgrading the offensive line, I don't see the need for picking a tight end, especially after trading picks last year to get one. A guy like Sam Young, who is very familiar with the Weiss system, guys like Zane Beadles, Ciron Black or Marshall Newhouse, whose got the versatility to play a number of different positions, or a monster like Chris Scott or Sergio Render.

1. Dez Bryant
2. Brandon Spikes
2. Morgan Burnett
3. Matt Tennant
4. Cam Thomas
5. Cameron Sheffield
5. Zane Beadles
5. Charles Scott

would be very appealling. I agree with you that Bryant is going to end up a solid player in the league. He was an absolute monster in college and does have the hands, moves and skills to be a legit #1 in the NFL. At worst, he's Roy Williams, at best Andre Johnson IMO.

[Priest31kc]

1. Bryant - I too think he can be a playmaker and very valuable to KC. KC doesn't have anyone on the roster with hands like him. I don't think he's nearly as slow as some make him out to be.

2. Spikes - At this point he still looks like a solid prospect. The combine tends to weed out linebackers (non-pass rush). Slow times drops prospects like a rock - see LSU LBs.

2b. Jones - would be good value at 2b.

3. Tennant - not as good as Pouncey, but should be an improvement over Niswanger.

4. Thomas - good value at a position of need.

5th round - I'd say KC needs to find a situational pass rusher and another offensive lineman to develop.

Yep, Bryant is faster than Bowe, and fast enough to be a #1 WR in the league.

[Reaper16]

Maybe a small school guy like Joique Bell (Reaper?), but he seems to be near identical to Javarris Williams.

Bell was impressive in college and he certainly was a bright star on that level of play. He's pretty much the same build as Javarris Williams with a good chance to run a much better 40 time at the combine. I expect Bell to run solid 4.45 with a chance of running a low 4.4. One big difference is that Bell is much more quick than Williams (though I still wonder about Bell's lateral quickness). Bell has less wear on the tires than Williams did coming out, too.

[Ralphy Boy]

Chad Jones is a concussion away from playing in MLB. He's got all the physical tools, but I'd worry about his experience (or lack thereof) at safety and his capability of earning just as much money or more playing baseball. (Was the reliever on LSU's National Championship baseball team and was very impressive in the title game.) Maybe look at a guy like Reshard Jones of Georgia or Morgan Burnett of Georgia Tech, two guys with a bit more flexibility as they could play either safety spot?

Ben Tate is referred to as a power back, north south type of runner, but I wonder if he has the size, at 5'11", 215 lbs., to do that effectively at the next level. Charles Scott of LSU is bigger, but failed his physical at the Senior Bowl with the same type of injury that sidelined Charles Rodgers. Maybe a small school guy like Joique Bell (Reaper?), but he seems to be near identical to Javarris Williams.

Mike Williams is a potential powder keg. Dismissed for academic fraud. Reinstated the next season, but then gets suspended for violating team rules. Then the next season, he just up and quits the team. Walks. I can't see Pioli/Haley/Weiss wanting that much potential trouble on the team. Perhaps a rush backer prospect at this point? A guy like Cameron Sheffield of Troy or Perry Riley of LSU?

With all the needs on upgrading the offensive line, I don't see the need for picking a tight end, especially after trading picks last year to get one. A guy like Sam Young, who is very familiar with the Weiss system, guys like Zane Beadles, Ciron Black or Marshall Newhouse, whose got the versatility to play a number of different positions, or a monster like Chris Scott or Sergio Render.

1. Dez Bryant
2. Brandon Spikes
2. Morgan Burnett
3. Matt Tennant
4. Cam Thomas
5. Cameron Sheffield
5. Zane Beadles
5. Charles Scott

would be very appealling. I agree with you that Bryant is going to end up a solid player in the league. He was an absolute monster in college and does have the hands, moves and skills to be a legit #1 in the NFL. At worst, he's Roy Williams, at best Andre Johnson IMO.

Well said. I can't see us drafting Bryant under any scenario, but I get your point.

If we got Tennant, Thomas & Sheffield, I'd be happy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Yep, Bryant is faster than Bowe, and fast enough to be a #1 WR in the league.

No, he's not faster than Bowe.

Bowe ran a 4.51 at the combine, and then a 4.40 at his pro day.

I'll be shocked if Bryant bests EITHER of those times, and he's had a 3 month head start on the rest of the class in training for these drills.

[Chiefnj2]

No, he's not faster than Bowe.

Bowe ran a 4.51 at the combine, and then a 4.40 at his pro day.

I'll be shocked if Bryant bests EITHER of those times, and he's had a 3 month head start on the rest of the class in training for these drills.

Does Fitzgerald play faster than Bowe?

[Reaper16]

Jesus, first Dez White is Andre Johnson and now he's Larry Fitz Jr. too?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Does Fitzgerald play faster than Bowe?

Jesus, first Dez White is Andre Johnson and now he's Larry Fitz Jr. too?

This.

Fitz has nothing to do with the conversation.

Christ, I remember when Bowe was drafted and people here complained about him being slow, and he ran a fucking 4.4.

Now they want to claim a guy running a 4.5+ is comparable to Andre Johnson, who ran a fucking 4.32.

Dez Bryant isn't Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson. He's a slow, shitty route runner with decent hands.

Period.

[DaneMcCloud]

Does Fitzgerald play faster than Bowe?

Do you honestly think that after 7 seasons in the NFL, along with an intense workout regimen and nutrition, that Fitzgerald still runs a 4.6?

[Saccopoo]

Do you honestly think that after 7 seasons in the NFL, along with an intense workout regimen and nutrition, that Fitzgerald still runs a 4.6?

Jerry Rice ran like a 5.39 and he seemed to do okay. Give me a guy with great hands and instincts over speed anyday. If he can seal off his cover, get the ball at his apex, and hold onto it during contact, I think those are more important things than speed. e.g., Darrius Bey versus Anquan Boldin.

[Reaper16]

Jerry Rice ran like a 5.39 and he seemed to do okay. Give me a guy with great hands and instincts over speed anyday. If he can seal off his cover, get the ball at his apex, and hold onto it during contact, I think those are more important things than speed. e.g., Darrius Bey.
Rice ran routes like motherfucker. Dez Bryant runs routes like a, erm, something that doesn't run routes well.

[DeezNutz]

It's about separation.

Doesn't matter how. Speed? Cool. Precise route running? Fantastic. But it has to be something.

[BigChiefFan]

Dez Bryant Scouting ReportPosted by Matt Miller On January - 18 - 2010
Dez Bryant – Oklahoma State

Scout: David Syvertsen

Height/Weight: 6’2 – 220

40 Time:

Pro Potential: Terrell Owens – Buffalo Bills

Position Traits

Acceleration/Burst/Quickness: Outstanding quickness that can get him out in front right away. Is going north the second his hands are on the ball. Excellent short area quickness and ability to change direction at a high speed.

Agility/Leaping Ability: Consistently balanced which allows him to attack the ball in the air with full force. An excellent receiver in jump ball situations that grabs the ball at the apex of his leap. Can reach a very high vertical when leaving his feet from an awkward body position. A huge weapon in the red zone.

Blocking: Has the body and strength to dominate as a blocker, but the effort is up and down. Will run downfield on a big play to throw a block, but he is not the factor he is capable of being at the point of attack.

Body Control/Body Adjustment: Can be trusted to come down with the ball when the pass is not accurate. Locates the ball early and positions his body well to make a last second adjustment for the catch. Uses his big, strong frame to box out defensive backs like a power forward when the ball is up for grabs. Very balanced athlete through all of his progressions.

Concentration/Hands: Will let the ball in to his body at times, but possesses a strong pair of hands. At his best when near the end zone, knows how and when to deliver. Will be hesitant over the middle after he receives a big hit, but for the most part he is willing to sacrifice his body.

Release: Very tough to jam at the line. Has the blend of power, size, and quickness to combat any sort of press coverage. Does not have a ton of experience against press coverage and he will need to work on technique in this area.

Route Running: Can be used in all three levels of the passing game. Runs hard, aggressive route underneath that get plenty of separation. Reads coverages very well and works the seams with deceptions and explosion. Runs double routes exceptionally well, uses entire body to sell a defensive back. Explodes out of cuts. Does not break down and turn 90 or 180 degrees quick enough.

Separation: Obtains consistent separation with quickness rather than speed. Also uses his body to keep the defender away from the ball, giving the quarterback more space to work with in traffic.

Size/Length/Hand Size: Ask any coach Bryant has worked under, and it won’t take long to hear about the freakishly large hands he has. The football fits in to them as if it were a junior league ball. May not have the ideal height for the position but he is close enough. Thicker than the average wide receiver.

Speed: Does not have elite timed speed but he plays more than fast enough on game day. Tough to catch in the open field, will run away from defenders when he has the initial separation.

Vision/Run After the Catch: Outstanding with the ball in his hands. One of the best punt returners in the country. Dangerous in the screen package because of his yards after catch ability. Strong runner that does not dance around tacklers, will lower the shoulder. Also has the quick hips to miss tacklers that put their heads down. Uses and sets up blocks like a running back.

Final Word: Bryant’s top tier talent is undeniable, as he grades out across the board near or at the top in every category. However, before this season began there was the notion that he had the stereotypical star-receiver Prima Donna. Then he was suspended by the NCAA for the remainder of the 2009 season as a result of lying to officials concerning a relationship he had with Deion Sanders. On top of that, Bryant shares the same agent as Michael Crabtree, the Niners first round pick from 2009 that held out until October. If intangibles were not in the picture, Bryant would be a sure thing top 5 pick. He is ready for NFL action right now and can contribute as both a receiver an return specialist. He scored 21 total touchdowns in his last full season, and that kind of playmaking ability is sought after by every team in the league. If he can impress through workouts and private interviews prior to draft day, Bryant will surely hear his name called in the top half of the first round, even as high as the top 5.

Popularity: 7% [?]


http://www.newerascouting.com/01/dez-bryant-scouting-report/

[OnTheWarpath15]

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010dbryant.php


# Strengths: Above average height
# Good muscle definition
# Great hands
# Will come back to the quarterback and present a window
# Dominant on jump balls
# Attacks ball at apex
# Gets off line of scrimmage
# Coordinated and can adjust to the ball
# Knows how to set up a receiver and flip their hips
# Athletic
# Nice sideline awareness
# Tough to tackle
# Explosive punt returner
# Good running vision
# Decent amount of upside



Weaknesses:
# Route running is still suspect
# Rounds off digs and deep outs
# Not very fast
# Lacks deep speed
# Could be more elusive
# Doesn't always generate maximum YAC
# Needs to eat up cushion more quickly in off man
# Needs to work on reading coverages as he does not always identify the zone
# A little sluggish coming out of breaks

Summary: Bryant is a talented receiver, but he doesn't seem to project as a No. 1 wideout at the next level. He has the skill set of a dominant No. 2 who can really help a quarterback in the red zone and on third down.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010dbryant.php


# Strengths: Above average height
# Good muscle definition
# Great hands
# Will come back to the quarterback and present a window
# Dominant on jump balls
# Attacks ball at apex
# Gets off line of scrimmage
# Coordinated and can adjust to the ball
# Knows how to set up a receiver and flip their hips
# Athletic
# Nice sideline awareness
# Tough to tackle
# Explosive punt returner
# Good running vision
# Decent amount of upside



Weaknesses:
# Route running is still suspect
# Rounds off digs and deep outs
# Not very fast
# Lacks deep speed
# Could be more elusive
# Doesn't always generate maximum YAC
# Needs to eat up cushion more quickly in off man
# Needs to work on reading coverages as he does not always identify the zone
# A little sluggish coming out of breaks

Summary: Bryant is a talented receiver, but he doesn't seem to project as a No. 1 wideout at the next level. He has the skill set of a dominant No. 2 who can really help a quarterback in the red zone and on third down.

Which if true makes him not a top 5 pick IMO.

[Mecca]

Dominant 2's aren't top 5 picks, that's acknowledging he's not the best player at his position on the team he plays for.

Dez Bryant is a 15 type of prospect jacked up the board because there's no elite WR prospect, he wouldn't sniff next years class, it's why he left now.

[The Franchise]

Dominant 2's aren't top 5 picks, that's acknowledging he's not the best player at his position on the team he plays for.

Dez Bryant is a 15 type of prospect jacked up the board because there's no elite WR prospect, he wouldn't sniff next years class, it's why he left now.

I'll settle for Michael Floyd next year.

[Mecca]

Dez Bryant isn't Julio Jones or AJ Green, if he was in next years class he'd be the 4th or 5th WR.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'll settle for Michael Floyd next year.

Hopefully catching passes from Clausen :)

[OnTheWarpath15]

Which if true makes him not a top 5 pick IMO.

It's true IMO.

I only posted it to show how different two scouting reports on the same player can look.

[Chiefnj2]

Jesus, first Dez White is Andre Johnson and now he's Larry Fitz Jr. too?

Nobody directly compared Dez to Fitz. Thanks for playing, you fail.

[Chiefnj2]

Do you honestly think that after 7 seasons in the NFL, along with an intense workout regimen and nutrition, that Fitzgerald still runs a 4.6?

There is track speed and game speed. Even assuming Fitz can now run a 4.50, who is to say that Bryant could not improve his "speed" a few years into the league?

[Mecca]

Larry Fitzgerald came out as a much much more polished WR than Dez Bryant is, that's not a good comparison.

[Chiefnj2]

Larry Fitzgerald came out as a much much more polished WR than Dez Bryant is, that's not a good comparison.

Which is why people aren't comparing them.

[Reaper16]

Which is why people aren't comparing them.
You're right. People aren't comparing them, person is comparing them. Post #9. You.

[Chiefnj2]

You're right. People aren't comparing them, person is comparing them. Post #9. You.

Strike 2 Mr. Reaper. Football speed is not the same as track speed. That was the point you are missing.

[Reaper16]

Strike 2 Mr. Reaper. Football speed is not the same as track speed. That was the point you are missing.
You should have said that in the first place instead of bringing up Fitz and implying that Bryant will play at a similar level.

[CoMoChief]

1. S - Eric Berry
2. WR - Arrelious Benn
2. MLB - Brandon Spikes
3. OLB - Eric Norwood
4. NT - Cam Thomas
5. CB - Donovan Warren
5. HB - Ben Tate
5. OT - Chris Scott
6. C - Eric Olsen

[BossChief]

why do you keep adding a 6th to your mocks? TMK we dont have one because of dukey and alleman..

[Saccopoo]

why do you keep adding a 6th to your mocks? TMK we dont have one because of dukey and alleman..

Because Drafturbators can't help themselves but to one more sexy playmaker. I'm shocked that the lot of them doesn't have three first rounders and a couple extra thirds via Chief personnel trades.

[chiefzilla1501]

I still don't understand the obsession with wide receiver, especially in a Charlie Weis offense. This team is not going to be an aerial team, even if we bring in Clausen. We need to get better at the wide receiver position, but that doesn't mean we burn a top 5 pick. Unless Berry and Clausen are gone (and I doubt both will be gone), there's no reason to go for Bryant.

I would also prioritize OLB well over I do OLB, even if a guy like Spikes is on the board. We can live without a star at ILB. We can't live without two really good OLBs.

[Chiefnj2]

I still don't understand the obsession with wide receiver, especially in a Charlie Weis offense.

If you don't understand the dire need for WRs on a team that led the league in drops and doesn't have much receiver talent, I'm not sure I can explain it in greater detail. Weis sure as hell moved the ball through the air at Notre Dame. I'm not sure why you'd think he wouldn't be throwing the ball a bunch in KC.

[Reaper16]

Because Drafturbators can't help themselves but to one more sexy playmaker. I'm shocked that the lot of them doesn't have three first rounders and a couple extra thirds via Chief personnel trades.
You're lumping CoMo in with us now? Could you get any more dishonest?

[BigRedChief]

I'm okay with this except the 1st round. Either Berry or if not available Clausen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If you don't understand the dire need for WRs on a team that led the league in drops and doesn't have much receiver talent, I'm not sure I can explain it in greater detail. Weis sure as hell moved the ball through the air at Notre Dame. I'm not sure why you'd think he wouldn't be throwing the ball a bunch in KC.

Hi, I'm 2010. There's no clear separation between any of the top 3-5 WR prospects.

Hi, I'm 2011. I'm going to be the best WR class in 15 years.

Hi, I'm Chiefnj2. I'm a fucking mongotard that wants us to spend a top 5 pick on this position in light of these two facts.

[Chiefnj2]

Hi, I'm 2010. There's no clear separation between any of the top 3-5 WR prospects.



Hamas, leader of the ri-tahrds. You claim there is no clear separation between Bryant and the next 3-5 guys, yet almost every single draft analyst/web site has Dez as the only guy in the top 10.

Scott Wright - Bryant as the #4 player in the draft, Benn is next at 24.
GBN - Bryant #7, Tate at 20.
Scouts,Inc. - Bryant at 10, Benn at 27.
Prodraftparty - Bryant at 5, Benn at 31.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hamas, leader of the ri-tahrds. You claim there is no clear separation between Bryant and the next 3-5 guys, yet almost every single draft analyst/web site has Dez as the only guy in the top 10.

Scott Wright - Bryant as the #4 player in the draft, Benn is next at 24.
GBN - Bryant #7, Tate at 20.
Scouts,Inc. - Bryant at 10, Benn at 27.
Prodraftparty - Bryant at 5, Benn at 31.

Bryant isn't top 10 because he's a top 10 talent. He's top 10 because he's considered to be the #1 prospect (itself dubious) at a playmaking position of increasing importance.

Same thing with Okung or Alex Smith in 2005.

[Chiefnj2]

Bryant isn't top 10 because he's a top 10 talent. He's top 10 because he's considered to be the #1 prospect (itself dubious) at a playmaking position of increasing importance.

Same thing with Okung or Alex Smith in 2005.

Not true. There are years where there hasn't been a WR in the top 15-20 of overall rankings. The top WR doesn't always get a top 10 spot by default.

[The Franchise]

Julio Jones, AJ Green and Michael Floyd are 100x more talented than Dez Bryant.

[Pushead2]

dez bryant if we draft him will = Sammie Parker pt. 2

[Chiefnj2]

Julio Jones, AJ Green and Michael Floyd are 100x more talented than Dez Bryant.

And if Jones doesn't declare and AJ Green gets hurt again?

You can play that game at a lot of positions Locker is more talented than Clausen and Bradford, Von Miller more talented than Graham/Morgan. Safety might be the only position you could virtually guarantee this years class will be better.

[Reaper16]

dez bryant if we draft him will = Sammie Parker pt. 2
That comparison doesn't even make a lick of sense.

[Reaper16]

And if Jones doesn't declare and AJ Green gets hurt again?

You can play that game at a lot of positions Locker is more talented than Clausen and Bradford, Von Miller more talented than Graham/Morgan. Safety might be the only position you could virtually guarantee this years class will be better.
Decent point, but the top WRs next year aren't just better than Dez they are exponentially better.

[Saccopoo]

You're lumping CoMo in with us now? Could you get any more dishonest?

Sorry. My bad.

[Saccopoo]

And if Jones doesn't declare and AJ Green gets hurt again?

You can play that game at a lot of positions Locker is more talented than Clausen and Bradford, Von Miller more talented than Graham/Morgan. Safety might be the only position you could virtually guarantee this years class will be better.

This years tight end class is outstanding as well. There are nine/ten guys that all look to be NFL caliber starting tight ends.

[BossChief]

1) Clausen
2a) Cody
2b) Tate
3) Spikes
4) Olsen
5a) Ryan Matthews (would be legarette Blount but I dont think he will even be considered.)
5b) Fred Barnes
5c) Moeaki

back back back back back back .....its gone!!!! Homerun!!!

[BigChiefFan]

Hi, I'm 2010. There's no clear separation between any of the top 3-5 WR prospects.

Hi, I'm 2011. I'm going to be the best WR class in 15 years.

Hi, I'm Chiefnj2. I'm a ****ing mongotard that wants us to spend a top 5 pick on this position in light of these two facts.
.
I understand your point, but there's no guarantee we are in position to select any of those WRs next year. I would also add, that we need more than just one WR, especially if Chambers doesn't re-sign. Play the hand your dealt.

[KCrockaholic]

1) Clausen
2a) Cody
2b) Tate
3) Spikes
4) Olsen
5a) Ryan Matthews (would be legarette Blount but I dont think he will even be considered.)
5b) Fred Barnes
5c) Moeaki

back back back back back back .....its gone!!!! Homerun!!!

Spikes in the 3rd would be a steal if I ever saw one, and sadly, San Diego would take Matthews before KC could even consider it. Matthews is a 2nd or 3rd round RB.

[Saccopoo]

1) Clausen
2a) Cody
2b) Tate
3) Spikes
4) Olsen
5a) Ryan Matthews (would be legarette Blount but I dont think he will even be considered.)
5b) Fred Barnes
5c) Moeaki

back back back back back back .....its gone!!!! Homerun!!!

Ryan Matthews might be a first round pick. He definitely won't get out of the second.

[BossChief]

I got Olsen and Matthews mixed up. I think that Matthews might slip for some reason and our fourth is basically a late third. I really like Blount and think he would be a good compliment to Charles and wanted a rb and looked on Walters and saw they had Ryan listed as possibly falling and put him in there. I do agree that he should go much higher though.

I think Spikes falls a bit because he wont likely time well at the combine and will slip. I am fairly sure of this.

[BigChiefFan]

I got Olsen and Matthews mixed up. I think that Matthews might slip for some reason and our fourth is basically a late third. I really like Blount and think he would be a good compliment to Charles and wanted a rb and looked on Walters and saw they had Ryan listed as possibly falling and put him in there. I do agree that he should go much higher though.

I think Spikes falls a bit because he wont likely time well at the combine and will slip. I am fairly sure of this.
Spikes will probably fall in the last part of the 1st round to mid 2nd round, IMO. He's not a super fast LBer, but he's definitely got coverage skills and translates as a starter from day one. Those guys usually go sooner, rather than later.

[BossChief]

Spikes is a two down backer with serious speed issues. I could end up being wrong, but I think he runs a 4.8+ and could very well fall to our third rounder.

time will tell

[Saccopoo]

Spikes is a two down backer with serious speed issues. I could end up being wrong, but I think he runs a 4.8+ and could very well fall to our third rounder.

time will tell

James Laurinaitis ran a 4.88 at the combine last year and was the third pick in the second round. I seriously doubt that with the number of 3-4 teams that there now are and Spikes being the prototype 3-4 Mike linebacker in this years draft that he doesn't last beyond the middle of round 2.

[Mecca]

It's really going to depend a ton of other LB's ran slow times and fell by huge degree after being thought of as 2nd rounders.

[BigChiefFan]

Spikes has been timed before, running a 4.77, 40 yard dash.