Bradford a muscled 236lbs.

[Chiefnj2]

twitter.com/movethesticks

"My sources at the weigh-in said that Bradford carried 236 well. Muscled not puffy. "

Mike Williams WR 6014 221 lbs
Damien Williams 6005 197 lbs
GT WR Thomas 6032 224 lbs
Golden Tate 5102 199 lbs
Shipley 5112 193 lbs
Tebow 6026 236 lbs.
Snead 6030 219 lbs
My sources at the weigh-in said that Bradford carried 236 well. Muscled not puffy.
Colt McCoy 6011 216.
ILL WR Benn 6010 219 lbs.
Dez Bryant 6020 225 lbs. 34 inch arms, 9 3/4 inch hands
Clausen 6025 222 lbs.

[doomy3]

I really want Demaryius Thomas in the second. A 6'3" 224 lb WR who runs a 4.4? Sign me up.

[The Franchise]

Clausen at 6'2" and 222 lbs is better than I expected.

[BigCatDaddy]

Bradford will be a top 10 QB in thie league. Mark my words.

[Fritz88]

Tebow 236 lbs. Fucking trade up for him and get him. He's the best thing that happened after ice.

[keg in kc]

I wonder if he meant Tebow and not Bradford. I don't see Bradford's measurables there.

[Mr. Laz]

I wonder if he meant Tebow and not Bradford. I don't see Bradford's measurables there.
apparently Tebow and Bradford are both 236lbs


NFL Combine measurements

Posted by HenryJames (http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/author/henryjames/) on February 26th, 2010 under Uncategorized (http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/category/uncategorized/)

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The NFL combine started yesterday, but they won’t actually begin running and stuff until Saturday. They have started measuring and weighing the participants, and the offensive linemen and tight ends were up first yesterday.

Adam Ulatoski measured 6’5” 300 with 33 ¼” arms, a full three inches shorter than he was listed at Texas. Short arms.

Ciron Black of Tyler Lee and LSU measured 6’4” 327. He’s a right tackle in the pros and possibly even a guard.

Jeff Byers of USC – 6’3” 301. The knock on him has always been his size.

Tech’s Brandon Carter – 6’6” 329. Someone took the combine seriously, but he’s a limited guy athletically.

Brody Eldridge – 6’5” 261. Guys working the combine said he was the best player they ever measured.

Jason Fox 6’7” 303.

Jermaine Gresham – 6’5” 261 with 34 ¾” arms.
Marshall Newhouse TCU. 6’4” 319.
Russell Okung 6’5” 307 with 36” arms.
J.D. Walton of Allen and Baylor. 6’3” 300.
Trent Williams of Longview and OU. 6’5” 315.

Sam Bradford 6’4” 236.
Dez Bryant 6’2” 225.
Dezmon Briscoe 6’2” 207.
Colt McCoy 6’1” 216.
Jevan Snead 6’2” 236.
Jordan Shipley 5’11”193.
Tim Tebow 6′2 3/4″ 236.

[Mr. Laz]

These are starting to pour in.

If you aren't familiar with the height reading it's feet, inches, then the last number is eights. So Gresham is 6'5 and 2/8ths.

TE:

Jermaine Gresham, OU: 6052, 261 lbs., 34 3/4 in arm length, impressive looking
Aaron Hernandez, UF: 6023, 245 lbs., 32 1/4 inch arm length.
Anthony McCoy, USC: 6044, 259 lbs. 34 inch arm length
Rob Gronkowski, Arizona: 6062, 264 lbs., 34 1/4 inch arms.

OT:

Charles Brown, USC: 6053, 303 lbs., Arm length-35 1/4
Trent Williams, Oklahoma: 6045, 315 lbs., 34 1/4 arm length.
Russell Okung, Okie State: 6052, 307 lbs., 36 inch arms (incredibly wingspan)
Anthony Davis, Rutgers: 6050 323 lbs. His arm length-34.
Bruce Campbell, Maryland: 6063, 314 lbs., His arm length- 36 1/4
Tony Washington, ACU: measured 6061, 311 pounds, 35 1/2-inch arms
Jared Veldheer, Hillsdale: 6081, 312, with 33-inch arms
Bryan Bulaga, Iowa: 6053, arms measured at 33 1/4 inches

QB:

Sam Bradford, OU: 6042, 236 lbs. - apparently looked great, muscular
Jimmy Clausen, ND: 6025, 222 lbs.
Colt McCoy, Texas: 6011, 216 lbs.
Jevan Snead, Ole Miss: 6030 219 lbs
Tim Tebow, Florida: 6026, 236 lbs.


WR:
Dez Bryant, Okie State: 6020, 225 lbs., 34 inch arms, 9 3/4 inch hands
Desmond Briscoe, Kansas: 6020, 207 lbs.
Arrelious Benn, Illinois: 6010, 219 lbs.
Jordan Shipley, Texas: 5112, 193 lbs
Golden Tate, ND: 5102, 199 lbs
Demaryius Thomas, GT: 6032, 224 lbs
Damien Williams, USC: 6005, 197 lbs
Mike Williams, Syracuse: 6014 221 lbs

RB:

Jahvid Best, Cal: 5101 199 lbs.
Legarrette Blount, Oregon: 6004, 241 lbs
Toby Gerhart, Stanford: 6000, 231 lbs
Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech: 5112, 229 lbs
Ryan Matthews, Fresno State: 5115, 218 lbs
Joe McKnight, USC: 5113 198 lbs
CJ Spiller, Clemson: 5105, 196 lbs

[The Franchise]

If Blount can run in the 4.45 at 241 lbs....he's going to shoot up the draft boards.

[keg in kc]

Brody Eldridge – 6’5” 261. Guys working the combine said he was the best player they ever measured.I wonder what the hell that means.

[Mr. Laz]

I wonder what the hell that means.
i dunno ... best shape?

6'5" 261 is pretty lean


Spiller is heavier than i expected

[salame]

dez bryant is going to be a stud

[doomy3]

dez bryant is going to be a stud

Agree.

[chiefs1okie]

I think Gresham will flourish in the NFL and is going to be a top tier TE for a long time.

[Titty Meat]

Dez Bryant will be Roy Williams.

[chiefs1okie]

Bradford will be a top 10 QB in thie league. Mark my words.

X2

[Mecca]

That's the size Spiller has basically always been he's always 195-200, if you've seen him out of uniform you'd know why he weighs that.

Bradford must have took his year off to do nothing but workout and eat a bunch of supplements because he's literally 35lbs heavier than he was a year ago.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

That's the size Spiller has basically always been he's always 195-200, if you've seen him out of uniform you'd know why he weighs that.

Bradford must have took his year off to do nothing but workout and eat a bunch of supplements because he's literally 35lbs heavier than he was a year ago.

I highly doubt 236 is a sustainable weight for him, but if 220 is, that's not a red flag, but his propensity to break on any contact is still there.

Chris Chandler was 6'4 225.

[BigChiefFan]

Bradford has really bulked up. Funny how's he's almost a lock to go number one now, but he's going to suck at the next level, according to the boy wonders. Gee, I wonder who's right about their evaluation? NFL teams or Mecca? :D

[OnTheWarpath15]

Bradford has really bulked up. Funny how's he's almost a lock to go number one now, but he's going to suck at the next level, according to the boy wonders. Gee, I wonder who's right about their evaluation? NFL teams or Mecca? :D

Best thing that could happen to him, IMO is to be taken by STL and run a WCO.

[Mecca]

That's great and all but do you think he can sustain that weight while playing? Do you think he has any kind of durability for the NFL level?

Bradford is a highly risky pick.

[OnTheWarpath15]

That's great and all but do you think he can sustain that weight while playing? Do you think he has any kind of durability for the NFL level?

Bradford is a highly risky pick.

No, he's not going to sustain that weight. Dude might have been playing at 220. Probably more like 215.

He's gotten himself a good headstart, but IMO, the kid could be a solid 240 in-season and it wouldn't convince me he's not fragile.

[Saccopoo]

That's great and all but do you think he can sustain that weight while playing? Do you think he has any kind of durability for the NFL level?

Bradford is a highly risky pick.

Didn't you say that about Adrian Peterson?

[Mecca]

You're also going to have to teach him to properly take center snaps, 3 step, 5 step, 7 step drops, go through progressions of a natural route tree.

He has a huge curve, it'd probably be best if they sat him for a year.

[Mecca]

Didn't you say that about Adrian Peterson?

Haha, no I said he had injury issues but I also said Arizona should have taken him instead of Levi Brown, so I got that.

[OnTheWarpath15]

You're also going to have to teach him to properly take center snaps, 3 step, 5 step, 7 step drops, go through progressions of a natural route tree.

He has a huge curve, it'd probably be best if they sat him for a year.

That could happen in STL. Let Bulger get abused for one more year.

I just think it's imperative to Bradford's future success to be drafted by a WCO team.

[Mecca]

And a dome team, Bradford has a solid arm but not a great arm, I don't think he could be successful in Buffalo for example.

[Deberg_1990]

He has a huge curve, it'd probably be best if they sat him for a year.

True...but it wont happen. Nobody drafted #1 overall is going to sit very long.

[BigCatDaddy]

If Bradford starts for the Rams this year any bets on if his QB rating is higher then Sanchez's this past year?

(Waits on excuses)

[OnTheWarpath15]

If Bradford starts for the Rams this year any best on if his QB rating is higher then Sanchez's this past year?

(Waits on excuses)

Let's compare playoff stats after the season ends.

(waits on excuses)

[BigCatDaddy]

Let's compare playoff stats after the season ends.

(waits on excuses)


So I'm guessing you are not willing to bet LMAO.

[Saccopoo]

Let's compare playoff stats after the season ends.

(waits on excuses)

http://lovingthetasmaniandevil.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/chicken.jpg

[OnTheWarpath15]

So I'm guessing you are not willing to bet LMAO.

Just showing the absurdity of your statement.

We could cherry-pick stats all day.

What happens in year 1 means nothing. That's what the short-sighted, no-to-a-franchise-QB people don't get.

Mark Sanchez's career won't be defined by his rookie year, though he's already shown why people were excited about him by his performance in the playoffs, the AFCC in particular.

Ultimately, a franchise QB is judged on playoff performances and championships.

Wanna bet on who wins a championship first?

Didn't think so.

I'm not a huge Bradford fan, he has some major flaws, IMO - but if he gets drafted by a WCO team, his chance of being a true franchise QB goes up dramatically in my book.

[Hammock Parties]

Colt McCoy is bigger than I expected, especially at 6-1

[Saccopoo]

Wanna bet on who wins a championship first?

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-party-goes-on-for-matthew-stafford-2.jpg

[OnTheWarpath15]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-party-goes-on-for-matthew-stafford-2.jpg

If I were handicapping the "race", Stafford and Sanchez would be neck-and-neck, with Clausen next and Bradford last.

And that's not knowing where the last two are going yet - but I'll put my money on the pro-style offense over the spread guy every time.

[BigCatDaddy]

Just showing the absurdity of your statement.

We could cherry-pick stats all day.

What happens in year 1 means nothing. That's what the short-sighted, no-to-a-franchise-QB people don't get.

Mark Sanchez's career won't be defined by his rookie year, though he's already shown why people were excited about him by his performance in the playoffs, the AFCC in particular.

Ultimately, a franchise QB is judged on playoff performances and championships.

Wanna bet on who wins a championship first?

Didn't think so.

I'm not a huge Bradford fan, he has some major flaws, IMO - but if he gets drafted by a WCO team, his chance of being a true franchise QB goes up dramatically in my book.

QB Rating is not cherry picking a stat. It's basically what is used to evaluate the QB position by taking ALL the stats into consideration. That is like your Math, English, Science and Reading score all rolled up into one nice ACT score. That is who you are. Now Sanchez may be better in the long run, I don't know, but you can't say the Jets made the right decision based on his rookie year and then blast Bradford if he has statistical better year on a far worse team. I may just coin a new term and instead of Homerism call that Sanchezism.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

QB Rating is not cherry picking a stat. It's basically what is used to evaluate the QB position by taking ALL the stats into consideration. That is like your Math, English, Science and Reading score all rolled up into one nice ACT score. That is who you are. Now Sanchez may be better in the long run, I don't know, but you can't say the Jets made the right decision based on his rookie year and then blast Bradford if he has statistical better year on a far worse team. I may just coin a new term and instead of Homerism call that Sanchezism.

Of course, the methodology of the rating itself is flawless...

[BigCatDaddy]

Of course, the methodology of the rating itself is flawless...

Of course not, but really what player evaluation system is? It's a pretty damn good one though if you look at how the QB's rank. You have your franchise stud QB's in the top 10, your so-so guys in the next 10, then your suck ass guys in the next 10 and for full confirmation of it's accuracy you have Jamarcus Russell 32 with a 50 LMAO

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Of course not, but really what player evaluation system is? It's a pretty damn good one though if you look at how the QB's rank. You have your franchise stud QB's in the top 10, your so-so guys in the next 10, then your suck ass guys in the next 10 and for full confirmation of it's accuracy you have Jamarcus Russell 32 with a 50 LMAO

Look at the top QB ratings of all time, then get back to me.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Tebow 236 lbs. ****ing trade up for him and get him. He's the best thing that happened after ice.


Fuck Tebow. He'll be a bust. I want Colt Mccoy if he makes it to our 2A slot. Dude was 70-10 in his career with over 70% completion. He is a better version of Drew Brees. Plus he can fucking run !

[BigCatDaddy]

Look at the top QB ratings of all time, then get back to me.

1 KURT WARNER 97.2
2 Steve Young 96.8
3 Joe Montana * 92.3
4 JEFF GARCIA 88.3
5 PEYTON MANNING 88.1
6 DAUNTE CULPEPPER + 88.0
7 BRETT FAVRE 86.9
8 Otto Graham * # 86.6
9 Dan Marino 86.4
10 TRENT GREEN 86.1


I really don't see anything to telling. This list will also be skewed by guys that played on crap teams or were forced in early like Peyton was where Trent Green sit for years on a sideline and was ready to take over a team.


You are also camparing different era's here with different rules which is tough to do. Obviously the rules now favor the offense and QB more then everso you will see a few more recent guys up there like Trent and Culpepper that aren't obviously top 10 guy of all time.

But I think a year by year basis a QB Rating ranking is a very good measure. Again not hating Sanchez, I'm just saying he hadn't proven anything yet. An 80 QB rating means you got yourself a solid starter, a 90 means more often then not you have a Franchis QB on your hands. Anything below 80 in this day and age is a problem. Especially in years 2-3 as a starter.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th style="background: rgb(227, 227, 227) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;">Rank</th> <th style="background: rgb(227, 227, 227) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;">Quarterback</th> <th style="background: rgb(227, 227, 227) none repeat scroll 0% 0%; -moz-background-clip: border; -moz-background-origin: padding; -moz-background-inline-policy: continuous;">Passer Rating</th> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>1</td> <td>Steve Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_%28American_football%29)</td> <td>96.8</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 251, 190);"> <td>2</td> <td>Philip Rivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Rivers)</td> <td>95.8</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>3</td> <td>Tony Romo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Romo)</td> <td>95.6</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>4</td> <td>Peyton Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning)</td> <td>95.2</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>5</td> <td>Kurt Warner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Warner)</td> <td>93.7</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>6</td> <td>Tom Brady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady)</td> <td>93.3</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>7</td> <td>Joe Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana)</td> <td>92.3</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>8</td> <td>Drew Brees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees)</td> <td>91.9</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>9</td> <td>Ben Roethlisberger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Roethlisberger)</td> <td>91.7</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>10</td> <td>Chad Pennington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Pennington)</td> <td>90.1</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>11</td> <td>Carson Palmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Palmer)</td> <td>87.9</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>12</td> <td>Daunte Culpepper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunte_Culpepper)</td> <td>87.8</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>13</td> <td>Jeff Garcia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Garcia)</td> <td>87.5</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>14</td> <td>Brett Favre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre)</td> <td>86.6</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>15</td> <td>Donovan McNabb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donovan_McNabb)</td> <td>86.5</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>16</td> <td>Dan Marino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Marino)</td> <td>86.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>17</td> <td>Trent Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Green)</td> <td>86.0</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>18</td> <td>David Garrard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Garrard)</td> <td>84.9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>19</td> <td>Rich Gannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Gannon)</td> <td>84.7</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>20</td> <td>Marc Bulger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Bulger)</td> <td>84.4</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>21</td> <td>Jim Kelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly)</td> <td>84.4</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>22</td> <td>Mark Brunell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Brunell)</td> <td>83.9</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>23</td> <td>Jay Cutler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Cutler_%28American_football%29)</td> <td>83.8</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>24</td> <td>Roger Staubach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach)</td> <td>83.4</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>25</td> <td>Matt Hasselbeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hasselbeck)</td> <td>83.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>26</td> <td>Steve McNair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McNair)</td> <td>82.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>27</td> <td>Brian Griese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Griese)</td> <td>82.7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>28</td> <td>Neil Lomax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Lomax)</td> <td>82.7</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>29</td> <td>Sonny Jurgensen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Jurgensen)</td> <td>82.6</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>30</td> <td>Len Dawson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Dawson)</td> <td>82.6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>31</td> <td>Brad Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Johnson_%28American_football%29)</td> <td>82.5</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>32</td> <td>Jason Campbell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Campbell)</td> <td>82.3</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(191, 254, 190);"> <td>33</td> <td>Jake Delhomme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Delhomme)</td> <td>82.1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>34</td> <td>Ken Anderson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Anderson_%28American_football%29)</td> <td>81.9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>35</td> <td>Bernie Kosar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Kosar)</td> <td>81.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>36</td> <td>Neil O'Donnell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_O%27Donnell)</td> <td>81.8</td> </tr> <tr> <td>37</td> <td>Danny White (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_White)</td> <td>81.7</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>38</td> <td>Troy Aikman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Aikman)</td> <td>81.6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>39</td> <td>Dave Krieg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Krieg)</td> <td>81.5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>40</td> <td>Randall Cunningham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Cunningham)</td> <td>81.5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>41</td> <td>Boomer Esiason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomer_Esiason)</td> <td>81.1</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>42</td> <td>Warren Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Moon)</td> <td>80.9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>43</td> <td>Jeff Hostetler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Hostetler)</td> <td>80.5</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>44</td> <td>Bart Starr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Starr)</td> <td>80.5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>45</td> <td>Ken O'Brien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_O%27Brien)</td> <td>80.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>46</td> <td>Jeff George (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_George)</td> <td>80.4</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>47</td> <td>Fran Tarkenton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton)</td> <td>80.4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>48</td> <td>Steve Beuerlein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Beuerlein)</td> <td>80.3</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>49</td> <td>Dan Fouts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Fouts)</td> <td>80.2</td> </tr> <tr style="background-color: rgb(239, 187, 187);"> <td>50</td> <td>John Elway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elway)</td> <td>79.9</td></tr></tbody></table>

[BigCatDaddy]

My list had a minimum of 1500 passes or something to give a more accurate account of a entire career, but like I said different eras make a huge difference as well. As you can see the league has changed to favor offense and the QB.

Are you saying that QB ratings are not a good way to measure a QB then in a given year? Are you saying the 11-20 QB's ranked are better then the 1-10 this past year?

You obviously make a point that you can't compare QB ratings over different era's and I agree with that, but I think it's a great way to measure the season and individual QB had statistically on a year by year basis. Do you not agree with that?

[Consistent1]

My list had a minimum of 1500 passes or something to give a more accurate account of a entire career, but like I said different eras make a huge difference as well. As you can see the league has changed to favor offense and the QB.

Are you saying that QB ratings are not a good way to measure a QB then in a given year? Are you saying the 11-20 QB's ranked are better then the 1-10 this past year?

You obviously make a point that you can't compare QB ratings over different era's and I agree with that, but I think it's a great way to measure the season and individual QB had statistically on a year by year basis. Do you not agree with that?

I am going to guess there is a beef with things like Romo being that high on the list.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

My list had a minimum of 1500 passes or something to give a more accurate account of a entire career, but like I said different eras make a huge difference as well. As you can see the league has changed to favor offense and the QB.

Are you saying that QB ratings are not a good way to measure a QB then in a given year? Are you saying the 11-20 QB's ranked are better then the 1-10 this past year?

You obviously make a point that you can't compare QB ratings over different era's and I agree with that, but I think it's a great way to measure the season and individual QB had statistically on a year by year basis. Do you not agree with that?

QB Rating is just a tool, that's all it is, and it doesn't do a very good job of measuring the ability of a QB, IMO.

I think you are much better off using the ratings of a service like Football Outsiders.

[OnTheWarpath15]

QB Rating is just a tool, that's all it is, and it doesn't do a very good job of measuring the ability of a QB, IMO.

I think you are much better off using the ratings of a service like Football Outsiders.

This.

Let's use Cassel ad an example. He had something like a 115 rating in the Philly game.

Did he play well?

Fuck no.

[BigCatDaddy]

So you guys disagree with my point that the top 10 QB's in the league this year had 10 of the best QB Ratings and 11-20 are not as quite good and 20-32 sucked?

It's looks to me like a pretty damn good tool.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So you guys disagree with my point that the top 10 QB's in the league this year had 10 of the best QB Ratings and 11-20 are not as quite good and 20-32 sucked?

It's looks to me like a pretty damn good tool.

:facepalm:

So you'd take Matt Schaub over Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Donovan McNabb and Eli Manning?

Because QB rating says you should.

Is Romo > Brady?

Are David Garrard, Vince Young, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, and Alex Smith better than Matt Ryan?

QB rating says they are.

And for all your laments over Sanchez's QB rating....Stafford's was lower, and I don't think you'd take Sanchez over Stafford given your posting history.

[Mr. Laz]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-party-goes-on-for-matthew-stafford-2.jpgquestion #1 who is that?

question #2 why do you have so many pictures of half naked football guys?

[Saccopoo]

question #1 who is that?

question #2 why do you have so many pictures of half naked football guys?

Matty Stafford.

Because football guys know how to party and get the chicks. And Stafford is a partying chick magnet! There's a lot of those pics out there.

http://fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/matt-stafford-02.jpg

Kegger!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/482877996_7af67e156f.jpg

Ooooh! I got a special one for you Laz:

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/ECKoolAid/lolsports/sex-the-jumbo.jpg

[Mr. Laz]

buy you see if i was to post those picks it would be like this:

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2332/mattstafford02.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6786/4828779967af67e156f.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

i hope you can see the significant difference.

[Saccopoo]

buy you see if i was to post those picks it would be like this:

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2332/mattstafford02.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6786/4828779967af67e156f.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

i hope you can see the significant difference.

I see your point.

[BigCatDaddy]

:facepalm:

So you'd take Matt Schaub over Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Donovan McNabb and Eli Manning?

Because QB rating says you should.

Is Romo > Brady?

Are David Garrard, Vince Young, Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton, Jason Campbell, and Alex Smith better than Matt Ryan?

QB rating says they are.

And for all your laments over Sanchez's QB rating....Stafford's was lower, and I don't think you'd take Sanchez over Stafford given your posting history.

You are stretching it bro. I didn't say you can go down the list and it's in perfect order of the quality of QB, but it gives you a pretty good idea of how they performed that season. Schuab is a different arguement, but I think he is under rated. If you go just read down the list though you see a slow decline in the level of players in general.

You are still missing the entire point. The point is Sanchez hasn't proved a thing and I keep hearing people, mainly "draftubators" and your followers saying we missed the boat because of what we saw last year. He sucked, period! Of course so did Manning, Aikman, and a host of others their first year and they had far less talent, and of course so did Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and a million other bust. He might be a special one, but to say because he was a member of a team that won some games INSPITE of him not because of him is ludicrous.

[Mr. Laz]

btw ... i wonder how Bradford put on so much muscle is such a short time?

his shoulder was hurt so he couldn't lift for much of the season.



:hmmm:


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6786/4828779967af67e156f.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Saccopoo]

Manning was only 1-15 his first season, but his numbers were pretty amazing for a rookie outside the interceptions. Pretty telling on how he was going to turn out.

Sanchez's numbers were less than good. 2,400 yards, 12 TDs, 20 INTS, a 63 rating. Not so good. And he made some really strange/bad decisions with the ball.

I think the best comparison to Sanchez in terms of rookies is Flacco. Both came into great situations on teams with excellent defenses and offensive lines and both had strong running games.

Flacco had 3,000 yards, 14 TDs, 12 INTs, and a 80.3 rating.

I like Sanchez's moxie and attitude, and he's on the right team to help him go forward. He'd have been absolutely destroyed if he was on the Chiefs this past season. But all things considered, he didn't have a very good year in totality.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bradford has workouts of over 100 throws, but can't make 20 at the Combine.

[Mecca]

You're basically better off not throwing at the combine if you are even a decently well thought of QB prospect, having to throw to guys you aren't familiar with can make you look bad.

[BigCatDaddy]

You're basically better off not throwing at the combine if you are even a decently well thought of QB prospect, having to throw to guys you aren't familiar with can make you look bad.

And if you are more then likely the #1 pick then what is there to go and prove?

[Mecca]

Hell Sanchez did it and everyone wanted to discuss how he sucked because of it, there's a lot to lose throwing at the combine if you're a top guy.

And yes I fully believe Bradford was eating doing roids or HGH, 236 is in no way a sustainable playing weight for him.

[BigCatDaddy]

Hell Sanchez did it and everyone wanted to discuss how he sucked because of it, there's a lot to lose throwing at the combine if you're a top guy.

And yes I fully believe Bradford was eating doing roids or HGH, 236 is in no way a sustainable playing weight for him.

Wasn't that you that got pissed about all the accusations thrown out at the USC LB's roiding last year?

It's very easy to gain 15 lbs of muscle in 3-4 months.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wasn't that you that got pissed about all the accusations thrown out at the USC LB's roiding last year?

It's very easy to gain 15 lbs of muscle in 3-4 months.

Not when you are in a college weight training program already, you've just had shoulder surgery, and you actually need to put on 25-30 pounds.

[Mecca]

No, it's not.

Cushing has always looked like that and it was put on a draft site.

Anyone that gains 20lbs of muscle in 2 months is on something, Aaron Maybin was obviously roided last year.

[BigChiefFan]

btw ... i wonder how Bradford put on so much muscle is such a short time?

his shoulder was hurt so he couldn't lift for much of the season.



:hmmm:


http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6786/4828779967af67e156f.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Dude, he's been out, since early in the season, but the picture is classic. :D

[BigChiefFan]

Not when you are in a college weight training program already, you've just had shoulder surgery, and you actually need to put on 25-30 pounds.

You're cracking me up. Dude, he's going to go number one overall and you guys didn't pimp him, so you're looking for his flaws. Admit defeat, save face, make the planet a better place and rock on with your bad self.

[Mecca]

Alex Smith went #1 overall, because a team is stupid does not make it proper.

[BigChiefFan]

Alex Smith went #1 overall, because a team is stupid does not make it proper.
Bradford has more accuracy in his left nut then Smith every dreamed of. He's a talented player, I'm sorry you didn't get to enjoy his play at the collegiate level, because you missed out on some quality play. His accuracy is uncanny. You just don't see it at the collegiate level as consistent as you do with Bradford. He's a special player. Give him a year or two and the kid will be leading his team to good things.

It's a shame, that you can't give him credit for his play, but you think he'll go number one overall. You love covering your ass, more than you love putting out quality takes about players, anymore. Bradford's the real deal. I'd rather see you take an objective view and give your breakdown, rather than the standard, played in spread=fail, take.

Come on , Mecca Bobba, you're late round picks are the stuff that scouts dream of, but your takes on players at the top of the draft, outside of your conference, are lacking. Take an objective view of Bradford.

[Mecca]

I'd just like to know how you can properly judge a dudes accuracy when he's throwing to wide open guys and not getting touched in a spread system. Colt McCoy looks accurate in the damn spread.

Bradford has severe durability issues and 236 is in no way a sustainable playing weight for him. And like it or not coming from the spread puts him behind the 8 ball for development.

I don't know what Bradford does that is great, he has a solid arm, NFL average I'd say, good height, slim frame, bulked up but likely won't play at that. He never threw into tight windows, he played surrounded by NFL talent, never got hit put up big numbers wins a Heisman, next year line is down a bit gets hit, gets hurt.

I don't view him as an elite prospect, I view him as maybe an upper tier game manager type, maybe Matt Schaub and I stress maybe.

His shown lack of durability is a huge deal for his position too, you can't have a QB that misses games.

[BigCatDaddy]

No, it's not.

Cushing has always looked like that and it was put on a draft site.

Anyone that gains 20lbs of muscle in 2 months is on something, Aaron Maybin was obviously roided last year.

You and Hamas are going under the assumption he weighted 200-210 which you can't tell be the naked eye. It can be done very easy. It's just 1000 more cals a day for 2 months. You still have to lift to look big, steroids or not bro.

[BigCatDaddy]

I'd just like to know how you can properly judge a dudes accuracy when he's throwing to wide open guys and not getting touched in a spread system. Colt McCoy looks accurate in the damn spread.

Bradford has severe durability issues and 236 is in no way a sustainable playing weight for him. And like it or not coming from the spread puts him behind the 8 ball for development.

I don't know what Bradford does that is great, he has a solid arm, NFL average I'd say, good height, slim frame, bulked up but likely won't play at that. He never threw into tight windows, he played surrounded by NFL talent, never got hit put up big numbers wins a Heisman, next year line is down a bit gets hit, gets hurt.

I don't view him as an elite prospect, I view him as maybe an upper tier game manager type, maybe Matt Schaub and I stress maybe.

His shown lack of durability is a huge deal for his position too, you can't have a QB that misses games.

And Sanchez, Stafford and Clausen weren't surronded by NFL talent? Come no bro, like the guy said be objective here. We've been around this a million times, you and Hamas are just wrong on this one, but time will tell. If he is a top 10-15 QB in the league then it was worth the pick.

[Chiefnj2]

I guess Brandon Spikes will be available in the 4th round. He's not going to run at Indy = big red flag about his speed.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

This is one of the most preposterous arguments I've ever seen. Bradford throws on some extra weight and all of a sudden that makes him a #1 overall caliber QB.

We'll ignore the fact that he:

1) Hasn't worked from under center
2) Lacks ideal bulk (sorry, it's still true, look at his arms)
3) Never faced a consistent pass rush
4) Hasn't shown that he can take a hit
5) Has never had to make the kinds of throws that are required of NFL QBs (skinny posts, deep outs, square ins)

He also has a low 3/4 delivery that will obviate his height and make it easier for passes to get tipped at the line.

This idea that someone is "wrong" because a guy was picked high is ridiculous. Were we all "wrong" because Tyson Jackson was selected much higher than was warranted?

I doubt it.

[ChiefsCountry]

Bradford is Trent Green. Thats the comparison. Now is Trent Green worth being a #1 overall pick?
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[BigCatDaddy]

This is one of the most preposterous arguments I've ever seen. Bradford throws on some extra weight and all of a sudden that makes him a #1 overall caliber QB.

We'll ignore the fact that he:

1) Hasn't worked from under center
2) Lacks ideal bulk (sorry, it's still true, look at his arms)
3) Never faced a consistent pass rush
4) Hasn't shown that he can take a hit
5) Has never had to make the kinds of throws that are required of NFL QBs (skinny posts, deep outs, square ins)

He also has a low 3/4 delivery that will obviate his height and make it easier for passes to get tipped at the line.

This idea that someone is "wrong" because a guy was picked high is ridiculous. Were we all "wrong" because Tyson Jackson was selected much higher than was warranted?

I doubt it.

Are you arguing with me or with the scouts of the NFL teams that had him the #1 player last year and this year?

[BigCatDaddy]

Bradford is Trent Green. Thats the comparison. Now is Trent Green worth being a #1 overall pick?
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You would like to hope for a little better and I think Sam will be, but really have many top 3 drafted QB's have been better then Trent and how many have been worse? If you surround him with some talent and he leads on offense that scores 30 a game like Trent did I think you are happy.

[RustShack]

Bradford is Trent Green. Thats the comparison. Now is Trent Green worth being a #1 overall pick?
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I've always thought he reminded me of Pennington..

[BossChief]

LOL

I am just chuckling at my thoughts this time last year.

Im sure I was in a thread somewhere at the coalition arguing for Mauluga, Orakpo or Crabtree with our top pick.

I wanted to wait on a qb because both were underclassmen. I was all for signing Jeff Garcia to compete with Thigpen and Croyle to start and if we sucked, go all out this year for a qb.

I liked Bradford a lot at that time because he truly has "lethal" accuracy and its good enough to be able to hear the rare "the one thing you cant defend is a perfect pass" a few times per game. I may be sitting alone here saying this, but I think he will end up as one of the most accurate qbs oat if he can have a healthy career and gets drafted into the right system that understands his strengths as well as his limitations.

Accuracy is one thing that 90% of the time, you either have it or you dont. You are 10 years old and can hit a spot on a post about every time or you cant and that stays with you throughout your life. Bradford definitely has elite accuracy.

The other reason I like(d) is motivation to play for us. The fact that he is native american makes him a natural to lead "The Chiefs". It may sound corny, but you can be assured that it would play into additional motivation.

If I was GM, we would be in position right now to draft Jimmy Clausen (with the Weis connection if Chan didnt prove to pull his weight) or Sam Bradford and our defense would have both Orakpo and Mauluga and we would have drafted a few ol last year. We also would never have gotten rid of Chan and would have ran a spread offense this year...making a easier transition for Bradford or changed OCs to Weis and drafted Jimmy Clausen to run his scheme.

Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel? Goddamitt, we better not whiff again by taking a fucking OL to cover up the first mistake of trading for Cassel.

[Mecca]

Anyone that would take Bradford over the pure physical talent of Stafford or Sanchez who came from a pro style system is frankly stupid.

This was debated on the NFLDC forum last year and it was widely agreed upon that if Bradford entered he was the 3rd QB.

[SAUTO]

Anyone that would take Bradford over the pure physical talent of Stafford or Sanchez who came from a pro style system is frankly stupid.

This was debated on the NFLDC forum last year and it was widely agreed upon that if Bradford entered he was the 3rd QB.

the last paragraph does you no good and is the reason some dont put much stock in things you say. who gives a shit what some other guys just like US came up with in their debate.

and im not saying I disagree with you. just saying that it doesnt make two shits either way what other FANS on nfldc debated.
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[Mecca]

That forum actually has intelligence on it when related to the draft, even Wright agreed he was the 3rd QB.

[BigCatDaddy]

The only thing I saw was Mayock had him the #1 player in the draft and usually you don't fall that far when he or Kiper or whoever have you slated as the best player.

[Mecca]

Mayock also had Robert Ayers as the 4th best player in the draft and best defensive player...

Being the 3rd QB would have still had him as a top 10 pick.

[SAUTO]

That forum actually has intelligence on it when related to the draft, even Wright agreed he was the 3rd QB.

still not facts, just opinion throw out by ramdom people
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[Mecca]

Just like the view that he was the #1 player is opinion.

If he came out last year he likely would have been 220lbs and he would have been a sophomore, his arm wouldn't stack up to the other 2 in workouts, he's the one from the spread. It's a safe assumption he would have been the 3rd QB.

[SAUTO]

Just like the view that he was the #1 player is opinion.

If he came out last year he likely would have been 220lbs and he would have been a sophomore, his arm wouldn't stack up to the other 2 in workouts, he's the one from the spread. It's a safe assumption he would have been the 3rd QB.

look i dont want to argue here mecca, just giving you some advice and reasons that i and others dismiss some things you say.
the people that are quoting Analysts that had him rated number one arent using just random people on a message board. they are using people paid to give their opinions on players draft stock.

see the second paragraph here helps you. you gave some facts that led yo why you feel the way you do. blah blah on nfldc forum doesnt do the same. i wont mention it again
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[Nightfyre]

look i dont want to argue here mecca, just giving you some advice and reasons that i and others dismiss some things you say.
the people that are quoting Analysts that had him rated number one arent using just random people on a message board. they are using people paid to give their opinions on players draft stock.

see the second paragraph here helps you. you gave some facts that led yo why you feel the way you do. blah blah on nfldc forum doesnt do the same. i wont mention it again
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The analysts you refer to are not paid to give their opinion on prospects. They are paid to generate ratings. Their work is not extensively backtested for accuracy.
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[BossChief]

The analysts you refer to are not paid to give their opinion on prospects. They are paid to generate ratings. Their work is not extensively backtested for accuracy.
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they get ratings because of past success and reputation though...

[Chiefnj2]

You aren't going to change anyone's opinion of draft picks.

A month ago people were saying Bradford had the same build as Brody Croyle. He comes into the combine a "muscled 236" per reports and the excuses change. He no longer has Croyle's build, but the excuse now is that he "can't sustain that weight" or even more laughable he "lacks ideal bulk".

People aren't going to admit they are wrong until the player they didn't like makes the HOF. Some people still maintain that Jake Long isn't a good left tackle.

[Mecca]

For being the #1 pick that fact that Long still needs help in pass protection is sad.

[Saccopoo]

For being the #1 pick that fact that Long still needs help in pass protection is sad.

*cough*Trent Williams*cough*

[Nightfyre]

they get ratings because of past success and reputation though...

Actually, no. I think you will find accuracy does not correlate to ratings. Reputation, yes, to the degree that their name is mentioned, which if you make wild picks, right or wrong, will be lots.

[BossChief]

OH MY... there are some fucking jewels in here...Bradford = stud