Eric Berry Measures in at 6'0" 211 lbs

['Hamas' Jenkins]

He's pretty much an immaculate prospect @ this point.

19 reps on bench.

Mays was 6'3" 230 and put up 24 reps.

Thomas was 5-10, 208 and had 21 reps

Haden was 5-11, 193, 18

[DeezNutz]

So much for being undersized.

[Mecca]

I had seen Berry listed at just a hair over 6' in some measurements here's the thing though if you got that off NFL.com if he's say 5'11 1/2 they'll list him at 6'.

[Titty Meat]

So Thomas has put on 13 pounds? Nice.

[doomy3]

So Thomas has put on 13 pounds? Nice.

And 21 reps at 225. Pretty impressive.

[RUSH]

His arms are also very long and his hands are huge for a guy his size.

Only Taylor Mays had longer arms and bigger hands in the safety group.

[Mecca]

Some CB from OU had 34 inch arms, which is pretty ridiculous.

[Titty Meat]

Some CB from OU had 34 inch arms, which is pretty ridiculous.

Was it Franks?

[Mecca]

No it was some other guy Brian Jackson I think.

[warrior]

4.40 --- 40yd

[spanky 52]

Would Berry be a SS or a FS for the Chiefs?

[DaKCMan AP]

Would Berry be a SS or a FS for the Chiefs?

Berry is a FS

[L.A. Chieffan]

4.24!?!?!

[DaKCMan AP]

4.24!?!?!

Unreal.

[spanky 52]

Thank you DaKCMan AP. I suppose I could live with SS Brown another year with Berry as our FS. Take a SS with either the 2b or 3 pick and the Chiefs safties would be sick.

[The Bad Guy]

Who ran a 4.24?

[DaKCMan AP]

Who ran a 4.24?

Taylor Mays unofficial 1st run.

[The Bad Guy]

Taylor Mays unofficial 1st run.

Sweet baby jesus.

He just vaulted himself ahead of Earl Thomas and into the top 10.

If Berry is gone, I would not complain if we took him.

[RUSH]

Berry with a 43" vertical. He didn't even look like he was trying either.

[spanky 52]

It's good to have options.

[The Bad Guy]

Anyone arguing to take Okung needs to rip out their eyes.

[Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan]

Cool, so Mays can quickly take bad angles to cover people.

[Saccopoo]

Sweet baby jesus.

He just vaulted himself ahead of Earl Thomas and into the top 10.

If Berry is gone, I would not complain if we took him.

I wouldn't put too much into his 40 time.

Everyone knew that Mays was going to run around a 4.3 40. It's his ball skills, or lack thereof, that will still have teams questioning his ability to play at the next level effectively as a safety.

The only team that would vault Mays into the top 10 at this point is the Raiders, and Bruce Campbell running an official 4.85 40 is more impressive than Mays running a 4.24.

[Saccopoo]

Anyone arguing to take Okung needs to rip out their eyes.

Why is that?

[eazyb81]

Wait - people are surprised that Mays ran a great 40? This has been expected for about 2 years now.

I don't think anyone has ever knocked his athleticism - it's his production that the critics jump on.

[googlegoogle]

Does Pioli value the safety position that high?

I don't know. Leaning no.

[RustShack]

I wouldn't put too much into his 40 time.

Everyone knew that Mays was going to run around a 4.3 40. It's his ball skills, or lack thereof, that will still have teams questioning his ability to play at the next level effectively as a safety.

The only team that would vault Mays into the top 10 at this point is the Raiders, and Bruce Campbell running an official 4.85 40 is more impressive than Mays running a 4.24.

Except for when Mays played in the senior bowl, he was actually used in a scheme that put him in position to make plays and it was against great talent and he rocked that game.

[Saccopoo]

Who ran a 4.24?

No one.

Jacoby Ford of Clemson was the fastest guy at the combine with a 4.28. Trindon Holliday of LSU was second fastest with a 4.34.

Taylor Mays ran an official 4.43.

[RustShack]

No one.

Jacoby Ford of Clemson was the fastest guy at the combine with a 4.28. Trindon Holliday of LSU was second fastest with a 4.34.

Taylor Mays ran an official 4.43.

Whats funny is when you play Taylor Mays run side by side with Jacoby Ford they are right together... and Ford's "official" time was 4.28

[Chiefnj2]

There is no real single official time. From an article a week ago:

But it is important to keep the term "official" in context because there is no such thing as a single "official" time at the NFL Combine.

Here is what happens to get the 40 times at the Combine:

--Those who participate in the 40 actually run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement).

--Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time. Team scouts and coaches have various approaches for getting the 40 time they use from those six timings. Some use averages. Some throw out slowest and fastest and then average.


I'd love to see the breakdown of the individual hand times and electronic time.

[Saccopoo]

Whats funny is when you play Taylor Mays run side by side with Jacoby Ford they are right together... and Ford's "official" time was 4.28

It's not that different on the video. It's not that different on a stop watch. It's only .15 of a second difference. It's why the 40 time is so utterly stupid in terms of people thinking one guy is blazing fast and the other is a snail when they are running in a track environment with no pads.

But yet, people got freaked out and insane about thinking that he ran a 4.24 and was suddenly a top ten pick, but he goes back to the second or third because he only ran a 4.43 40. (See The Bad Guy's post in this thread regarding unmitigated enthusiasm about a fifteenth of a second difference in a 40 time.)

[Saccopoo]

There is no real single official time. From an article a week ago:

But it is important to keep the term "official" in context because there is no such thing as a single "official" time at the NFL Combine.

I agree, and they should go to a pure electronic timing system for the highest degree of consistency and accuracy possible. I'm just going off of what the NFL is listing them at. For now, that's as official as it gets.

[Chiefnj2]

It's not that different on the video. It's not that different on a stop watch. It's only .15 of a second difference. It's why the 40 time is so utterly stupid in terms of people thinking one guy is blazing fast and the other is a snail when they are running in a track environment with no pads.

But yet, people got freaked out an insane about thinking that he ran a 4.24 and was suddenly a top ten pick, but he goes back to the second or third because he only ran a 4.43 40. (See The Bad Guy's post in this thread regarding unmitigated enthusiasm about a fifteenth of a second difference in a 40 time.)

Exactly. If someone opens their cell phone stopwatch feature they can hit the button as fast as they can and probably get .07 - .09. A 4.45 may be acceptable for someone, but the 4.53 means he is slow. It's just a fraction of a second.

[Mecca]

Mays is the biggest fastest DB, all those CB's should be ashamed a guy 30lbs heavier than them outran them.

[Saccopoo]

Mays is the biggest fastest DB, all those CB's should be ashamed a guy 30lbs heavier than them outran them.

How do you think all those sprinters feel when some eight foot tall giraffe goes by them in a blink? The way Bolt's built, he should never be able to run that fast.

[ChiefsCountry]

Mays is the biggest fastest DB, all those CB's should be ashamed a guy 30lbs heavier than them outran them.

Its pretty amazing actually.

[Mecca]

Mays real 40 time is roughly a 4.28, that 4.43 is so off.

[Tribal Warfare]

Its pretty amazing actually.

Hershel Walkeresque

[Hootie]

Mays real 40 time is roughly a 4.28, that 4.43 is so off.

maybe that 4.28 is really more like a 4.35?

[Mecca]

All you have to do is looking at the freeze frame picture.

[Hootie]

I agree...but who's to say that Ford really ran that fast?

Who cares?

I really think 40 times are so overrated...A 4.3 or 4.4 for Mays makes no difference...he's lightning fast and is athletic as hell...lets see if he can play football...that's his next step

[Direckshun]

CJ Spiller ran a 4.26.

I'd still advocate taking him with the #5 overall over essentially everybody except Berry.

[Rukdafaidas]

Hershel Walkeresque

Hershel Walker was a freak. The super freak was Bo Jackson. He was clocked at 4.12 before electronic timing.
http://www.derrich.com/img/bo-jackson-40-yd-dash.jpg

I doubt that time is accurate, but it's still amazing that a guy so big was so damn fast. I've heard of him being timed anywhere from 4.12 to 4.19 several times....so who knows.
I think if he wouldn't have played baseball and if he never got hurt, he would have broken probably every RB record.

[Fat Elvis]

Hershel Walker was a freak. The super freak was Bo Jackson. He was clocked at 4.12 before electronic timing.
http://www.derrich.com/img/bo-jackson-40-yd-dash.jpg

I doubt that time is accurate, but it's still amazing that a guy so big was so damn fast. I've heard of him being timed anywhere from 4.12 to 4.19 several times....so who knows.
I think if he wouldn't have played baseball and if he never got hurt, he would have broken probably every RB record.

I've never seen an athlete quite like Bo, and I wonder if I will ever see another quite like him again. He was pure power. He couldn't hit a curveball to save his life, but when he did connect with a baseball, I was surprised that it didn't go into orbit. The man would snap baseball bats the way other men would snap twigs. He was simply amazing and awe inspiring to watch.

[Ralphy Boy]

All you have to do is looking at the freeze frame picture.

Not necessarily a reply to your statement but I'd think an electronic-timing motion-sensor of some sort, set just inside the starting line, would work.
Maybe its a camera, like you mentioned, that has a freeze frame picture of the first part on the body to break the plane that starts the clock and another camera at the other end that captures the same to end it.

All the inconsistency is absurd at the combine. How do they time it when an olympic runner breaks a world record? They should time it the exact same way and maybe they do, I really don't know.

I get tired of all the re-starts. Who cares if a guy twitches his hand before he crosses the starting line? Point A is the starting line and Point B is the finish. Whatever happens before Point A has absolutely nothing to do with how fast a guy is.

[bowener]

Here, very interesting... Mays is a fast mother fucker... good god.

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[Chiefnj2]

Here, very interesting... Mays is a fast mother ****er... good god.


Cool find.

I don't know why they just dont use electronic timing at the start and finish. Using an electronic at the end and two hand times is going to lead to odd results. Nevertheless you don't need a stopwatch to know the guy is fast as hell.

[Tribal Warfare]

Hershel Walker was a freak. The super freak was Bo Jackson. He was clocked at 4.12 before electronic timing.
http://www.derrich.com/img/bo-jackson-40-yd-dash.jpg

I doubt that time is accurate, but it's still amazing that a guy so big was so damn fast. I've heard of him being timed anywhere from 4.12 to 4.19 several times....so who knows.
I think if he wouldn't have played baseball and if he never got hurt, he would have broken probably every RB record.

I never got why Walker's coaches never tried to convert him into a WR, because one year he lead the Eagles in receptions. Jesus, he would've been a DBs nightmare.

[Saccopoo]

Here, very interesting... Mays is a fast mother ****er... good god.

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Yeah, the Zapruder film of the draft. Mays was filmed running this by some guy with a high quality camera phone from section BB-31 of the Lucas Oil Stadium. Purportedly. NFL films says this is the only copy and that there is no superimposition of the actual combine film. The runners actually crossed the line exactly as you see it on the film provided to you. There is no manipulation of the video whatsoever. I don't know how you can see four or five guys on the screen at once. Conspiracy!

[MOhillbilly]

Sweet baby jesus.

He just vaulted himself ahead of Earl Thomas and into the top 10.

If Berry is gone, I would not complain if we took him.

nfl OC will abuse him early and often is pass coverage. From my perspective he has yellow flag written all over him.

[BigChiefFan]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816b2ea4/Top-performer-Eric-Berry

[Bowser]

nfl OC will abuse him early and often is pass coverage. From my perspective he has yellow flag written all over him.

Part of being a rook. I remember Charles Woodson getting repeatedly lit up by Elvis Grbac and Andre Rison.

Not saying Mays or Berry are going to one day be NFL DPotY's, but I'll take that potential.....