Mecca is lubing up

[ChiTown]

Taylor Mays just ran 4.24 in the 40 (unofficial times). That's at 6'3" and 230lbs:eek:

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I've been saying for months that he's a genetic freak and could be the best to ever play the position before he's done.

[joesomebody]

Please Pioli. Please?

[L.A. Chieffan]

repost:D

[CoMoChief]

JFC :eek:

[mikey23545]

If you're looking for a guy who is really good at running 40 yard dashes, he is probably the one.

[L.A. Chieffan]

If you're looking for a guy who is really good at running 40 yard dashes, he is probably the one.

yeah he tied Chris Johnson for best combine 40 time ever and that dude sucks

[Quesadilla Joe]

I wish Denver didn't draft two safeties last year. This draft has a bunch of good ones.

[LaChapelle]

Team asks McCoy: G-string or jock strap?

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 2, 2010 11:21 AM ET

The Bucs are off the hook. The single dumbest question of the NFL Scouting Combine was asked to Oklahoma defensive tackle Gerald McCoy.

"Someone asked me if I wore a g-string or a jock strap when I played," McCoy told the NFL Network set Monday to disbelief, laughter, and amazement.

Analyst Mike Mayock wanted to know McCoy's reaction to the question. The affable defender just left his mouth open in a stunned expression.

We heard a few stories in Indianapolis of coaches jokingly messing with players during interviews, but none sounded as creepy as this.

The video of the interview is oddly not yet on NFL.com. That's probably a coincidence. Or perhaps the league is embarrassed.

[HC_Chief]

Holy shit! :eek:

[KChiefs1]

The Oakland Raiders select.....

[Rausch]

The Oakland Raiders select.....

Done deal...

[Demonpenz]

Move him to linebacker. Get him to 245 range and keep that speed

[Simply Red]

Taylor Mays just ran 4.24 in the 40 (unofficial times). That's at 6'3" and 230lbs:eek:

my god that's quick.

[Sofa King]

Move him to linebacker. Get him to 245 range and keep that speed

^this.... and also might be smart to shorten him by an inch or two... get that weight to a lower center of gravity...

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I wish Denver didn't draft two safeties last year. This draft has a bunch of good ones.

LMAO And you traded your 1st rounder this year to get one in the 2nd last year. I love it.

[RealSNR]

If he would just bulk up in the weight room and eat a few doughnuts, we could put him at NT and have the fastest force of 300 pounds anyone has ever seen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If he would just bulk up in the weight room and eat a few doughnuts, we could put him at NT and have the fastest force of 300 pounds anyone has ever seen.

You don't have to have him eat doughnuts. The S&T staff at USC had to watch his weightlifing, because if they didn't, he'd get up to 260-270.

[DaKCMan AP]

Taylor Mays OFFICIAL time: 4.43.

Still fastest of all CBs or Safeties to run today.

[Rain Man]

Taylor Mays OFFICIAL time: 4.43.

Still fastest of all CBs or Safeties to run today.


The earthquake in Chile must've slowed him down.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Taylor Mays OFFICIAL time: 4.43.

Still fastest of all CBs or Safeties to run today.

On that slow track, that's equivalent to a 4.3.

[DaKCMan AP]

On that slow track, that's equivalent to a 4.3.

Berry's official time was 4.47.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Berry's official time was 4.47.

And he's a 4.4 flat guy, just like Haden is a 4.5 flat guy and Thomas is a 4.45ish guy

[DaKCMan AP]

Major Wright ran an official 4.48. He's a 4.4 guy.

[Donger]

These statistics are interesting. How much difference does .05 seconds really make when judging these guys and how does that translate to play on the field?

[DaKCMan AP]

These statistics are interesting. How much difference does .05 seconds really make when judging these guys and how does that translate to play on the field?

For defensive backs I don't think straight-line speed is as important as some of the other drills they run. Sure, they need to run with the fastest WRs, but in a game they're going to be backpedaling, turning their hips and then running and they will never be in a 3 point stance.

[HC_Chief]

These statistics are interesting. How much difference does .05 seconds really make when judging these guys and how does that translate to play on the field?

No difference.

Both are fast and physical. Both have great technique

['Hamas' Jenkins]

These statistics are interesting. How much difference does .05 seconds really make when judging these guys and how does that translate to play on the field?

It makes *some* difference, but it's position dependent.

40 times are most important for defensive backs and WRs, because they have to run the farthest in a "straight" line.

It's far less important for lineman, of which the 10 yard split is far more important.

Deion ran the fastest 40 every recorded at the combine, and he was obviously a great a cover corner.

However, Brandon Flowers ran a very pedestrian 40 (4.58) and yet is a very good NFL corner.

There are exceptions to every rule, but it's generally a good barometer for their absolute upside.

[Rain Man]

These statistics are interesting. How much difference does .05 seconds really make when judging these guys and how does that translate to play on the field?

My guess would be that faster is better, but .05 seconds or .10 seconds is probably smaller than the difference in players' abilities to recognize plays or pick angles.

When you think about a defender, it seems like there are three elements to making a tackle:

1. Recognizing the play and the flow and the ballcarrier.
2. Taking the best angle to the ball.
3. Getting there.

#3 gets all the publicity because it's easy to measure, and obviously speed is important. But I wonder how they measure #1 and #2 with as much accuracy. I think they can't.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

My guess would be that faster is better, but .05 seconds or .10 seconds is probably smaller than the difference in players' abilities to recognize plays or pick angles.

When you think about a defender, it seems like there are three elements to making a tackle:

1. Recognizing the play and the flow and the ballcarrier.
2. Taking the best angle to the ball.
3. Getting there.

#3 gets all the publicity because it's easy to measure, and obviously speed is important. But I wonder how they measure #1 and #2 with as much accuracy. I think they can't.

You measure #1 and #2 through the drills they are doing right now.

[B_Ambuehl]

As much as his 40 impresses he just doesn't have the build or instincts to play safety. He's too long to change direction effectively and move quickly in short areas. Someone somewhere should have their ass kicked for not putting him at receiver when he was younger.

[HC_Chief]

For a DB "make up" speed is most important.

That includes several factors:

1. Play recognition
2. Angle taken
3. Quickness in change of direction
4. Straight-line speed

The scheme is important as well: if man, the DB needs great instincts; he needs to be able to read the man he is covering, adjust coverage, stick with his man, and turn his head at the correct moment. If zone, he needs to be able to read and react quickly, and move FAST, using the correct angle, to shut down a play in his zone.

[Donger]

Thanks football geeks.

[RustShack]

Pete Carrol timed him at 4.19

[SAUTO]

Pete Carrol timed him at 4.19

ROFL bias anyone?

[whoman69]

I'm just much of a combine guy. It will probably be a tie breaker or something to throw someone off the draft board for. Me I want to know how the guy plays.

[CoMoChief]

Shit, make him gain 15-20 lbs and put his ass at MLB I bet he'd still run a sub 4.4

[HotRoute]

mays aslo had 24 reps at 225lbs, pretty impressive when you add in a 4.4 40 time

[HotRoute]

But Berry had a better broad jump and vertical jump. These things are important when a saftey goes up for a pick

[HotRoute]

M.Rolle on the other hand was much less impressive

[KCrockaholic]

Mays ran a about a 4.3 flat. The "official" time he ran that NFLN listed was wrong.

[jidar]

Deion ran the fastest 40 every recorded at the combine, and he was obviously a great a cover corner.



At the time.
The current record for fastest 40 time is held by CB Fabian Washington (who was subsequently taken by the Raiders). Hence the joke about the Raiders taking guys for their 40 times

[The Poz]

"Despite Taylor Mays' impressive showing in the forty-yard dash, SI.com's Tony Pauline points out that the USC safety sported poor form during position drills.
Mays was "terribly slow moving in reverse" and appeared to be "uncomfortable" backpedaling during drills. Mays also had major trouble changing direction, often coming to a complete stop as opposed to making a smooth transition. Pauline believes Mays will have trouble in man coverage and making plays sideline-to-sideline. The same concerns dogged him at the Senior Bowl."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5760

[Saccopoo]

On that slow track, that's equivalent to a 4.3.

So, by converse logic, that means that Ford ran a 4.13?! He's the fucking fastest man alive!!!!

Or Bruce Campbell ran a 4.7 flat at 7'9", 423 lbs?! Holy hell!

[Saccopoo]

Shit, make him gain 15-20 lbs and put his ass at MLB I bet he'd still run a sub 4.4

Taylor Mays is no Brian Urlacher.

[Mecca]

"Despite Taylor Mays' impressive showing in the forty-yard dash, SI.com's Tony Pauline points out that the USC safety sported poor form during position drills.
Mays was "terribly slow moving in reverse" and appeared to be "uncomfortable" backpedaling during drills. Mays also had major trouble changing direction, often coming to a complete stop as opposed to making a smooth transition. Pauline believes Mays will have trouble in man coverage and making plays sideline-to-sideline. The same concerns dogged him at the Senior Bowl."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5760

Why is everyone that works for SI a total boob? You'd think they could employ smarter people.

[Rain Man]

"Despite Taylor Mays' impressive showing in the forty-yard dash, SI.com's Tony Pauline points out that the USC safety sported poor form during position drills.
Mays was "terribly slow moving in reverse" and appeared to be "uncomfortable" backpedaling during drills. Mays also had major trouble changing direction, often coming to a complete stop as opposed to making a smooth transition. Pauline believes Mays will have trouble in man coverage and making plays sideline-to-sideline. The same concerns dogged him at the Senior Bowl."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5760


A guy who runs a 4.1 40 shouldn't need to backpedal. Just turn around and run and then turn back around.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

So, by converse logic, that means that Ford ran a 4.13?! He's the fucking fastest man alive!!!!

Or Bruce Campbell ran a 4.7 flat at 7'9", 423 lbs?! Holy hell!

Basically, just take everyone's unofficial times.

[niblet]

Add 200 pounds on Usain Bolt and he's the best pulling guard of all time.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

"Despite Taylor Mays' impressive showing in the forty-yard dash, SI.com's Tony Pauline points out that the USC safety sported poor form during position drills.
Mays was "terribly slow moving in reverse" and appeared to be "uncomfortable" backpedaling during drills. Mays also had major trouble changing direction, often coming to a complete stop as opposed to making a smooth transition. Pauline believes Mays will have trouble in man coverage and making plays sideline-to-sideline. The same concerns dogged him at the Senior Bowl."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5760

Funny, because everyone on NFLN talked about how fluid he was in the first drill, and he did perfectly fine in the W drill. Of course, one of the points of the W drill is to plant and then break towards the line/ball.

That's really stupid.

The one drill he did have problems with was the second drill where you flipped your hips once then totally opened them to the opposite side and chased down the ball..but then again, that entire DB group butchered it. Deion was ragging on everyone in that group.

[Mecca]

Here...

I'm in Dallas on my way home. I guess there were issues with the electronic time for Mays. I talked to two scouts and they had him 430, 428

the 443 time is basically bunk.

[Brock]

Here...

I'm in Dallas on my way home. I guess there were issues with the electronic time for Mays. I talked to two scouts and they had him 430, 428

the 443 time is basically bunk.

Ha!

[KCrockaholic]

The unofficial times are more correct than the "official" times they list. Where do those numbers come from anyways? They are all Bull****

[Mecca]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2a50nyp.jpg

[KCrockaholic]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2a50nyp.jpg

Thank you! I've been looking for that image. "Official" times are BS

[Phobia]

These statistics are interesting. How much difference does .05 seconds really make when judging these guys and how does that translate to play on the field?

5 one hundreds is about a foot in the 40. Sometimes it's the difference between an offensive TD and a pick 6. Not every time but every once in a while a lot of DB's wish they had that .05.

[KCrockaholic]

5 one hundreds is about a foot in the 40. Sometimes it's the difference between an offensive TD and a pick 6. Not every time but every once in a while a lot of DB's wish they had that .05.

Many plays are about 6" from being an interception, a fumble, or a TD. Getting to the ball 6" sooner can do a lot for your team.

[Phobia]

Many plays are about 6" from being an interception, a fumble, or a TD. Getting to the ball 6" sooner can do a lot for your team.

Of course, but I think the point is that straight-line speed over the 40 doesn't make THAT big of a difference. Technique, anticipation, and discipline are more desirable than pure speed else Carl Lewis would have been a VERY rich NFL player in the 80's & 90's.

[KCrockaholic]

Of course, but I think the point is that straight-line speed over the 40 doesn't make THAT big of a difference. Technique, anticipation, and discipline are more desirable than pure speed else Carl Lewis would have been a VERY rich NFL player in the 80's & 90's.

lol, did you mention that because of Deion's comparison of Taylor Mays? Deion said Mays reminds him of Carl Lewis a lot.

[stevieray]

I think that speed is overrated.

[HotRoute]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2a50nyp.jpg

almost seems like some kind of conspiracy, why would they lie about this? When i heard his 40 time changed by .20 sec i thought something didnt seem right

[Phobia]

lol, did you mention that because of Deion's comparison of Taylor Mays? Deion said Mays reminds him of Carl Lewis a lot.

No. I haven't watched an ounce of combine coverage.

[KCrockaholic]

No. I haven't watched an ounce of combine coverage.

Well. Nice example :thumb:

[BossChief]

A 4.24 for a 230 pound athlete is absolutely unreal.

[TheGuardian]

So what? Mays isn't a great football player. Berry is.

[Micjones]

So what? Mays isn't a great football player. Berry is.

This.

[Blick]

So what? Mays isn't a great football player. Berry is.

This again.

[Brock]

A 4.24 for a 230 pound athlete is absolutely unreal.

It is unreal. Literally.

[tyler360]

I think Mays has the ability to be special. He will just need more time to develop than a safety such as Berry.

[DaKCMan AP]

I think Mays has the ability to be special. He will just need more time to develop than a safety such as Berry.

Which is funny since Mays is a senior and Berry is a junior.

[Blick]

More time to develop? He's not Pierre-Paul. He started every year he was in college.

[RustShack]

I think Mays has the ability to be special. He will just need more time to develop than a safety such as Berry.

Who better to coach him than Emmit Thomas, Crennel, Haley, and... MIKE BROWN!? I've said it since the dawn of time, Mays best fit would be at SS in a Parcells(Billichick/Crennel) styled 3-4.

[Mecca]

More time to develop? He's not Pierre-Paul. He started every year he was in college.

You have to understand though he was basically just doing what he was told to do at SC, down at the senior bowl they told him to read the QB and make plays on the ball and he did that.

I guess there's something to be said for being a bit to coachable.

[stevieray]

It is unreal. Literally.
damn! I was gonna post this.

[TheGuardian]

You have to understand though he was basically just doing what he was told to do at SC, down at the senior bowl they told him to read the QB and make plays on the ball and he did that.

I guess there's something to be said for being a bit to coachable.

Could you a bigger enabler for USC players? I wouldn't care if we took Mays in the latter part of the first round but more than likely, the guy is going to be an epic failure of a player. He has poor football instincts and is stiff. People saying shit like "could be one of the best all time" need to get their head examined.

[RustShack]

I think people who don't understand schemes should give up talking about draft prospects. The one game all year Mays was put in a position to make plays, he did. Not to mention it was against some of the best guys in college football. He played in an NFL scheme, and produced like a top NFL player during the Senior Bowl. You need your head examined if you think he has poor football instincts. His problem is he does exactly what hes told to do.

[Quesadilla Joe]

I don't really think this helped his draft stock much. Everyone already knew he was going to have a monster combine.

[notorious]

Everyone already knew he was going to have a monster combine.

This.

[Mecca]

I don't really think this helped his draft stock much. Everyone already knew he was going to have a monster combine.

If running a sub 4.3 throwing up 24 reps and doing a 41 inch vertical doesn't help a guy why the fuck should he even go to the combine?

His combine showing basically reaffirming he is athletically what everyone said he was should make him a top 15 pick.

[notorious]

If running a sub 4.3 throwing up 24 reps and doing a 41 inch vertical doesn't help a guy why the **** should he even go to the combine?

His combine showing basically reaffirming he is athletically what everyone said he was should make him a top 15 pick.

He has the upper-body strength of McCoy with 60-70lbs less mass.


It really is amazing.


I had all but written him off of being a top 10 pick, but the way some teams get crazy I wouldn't be surprised if someone pulled the trigger on him early.

[Mecca]

In all honesty he did help himself because many people, I'm guessing teams included didn't really think he ran a 4.3, they figured that was college bullshit and he was a 4.4-4.5 guy.

[Blick]

You have to understand though he was basically just doing what he was told to do at SC, down at the senior bowl they told him to read the QB and make plays on the ball and he did that.

I guess there's something to be said for being a bit to coachable.

I understand what he was asked to do. I'm not sold on him as a great football player. Will he turn into one? Maybe, but I wouldn't put my money on it.

[Mecca]

If you don't think he helped himself here ya go...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnaTYuphAnTbh.7wpUckqnBDubYF?slug=nfp-source_taylor_mays_ran_419_at_usc_html-201032&prov=nfp&type=lgns

I don't know if Mays will ever develop great ball skills but he's going to go high because teams will look at the natural ability and his floor is pretty high, even if he never develops it he'll start in the league for 12 years, he works hard, he's smart.

I really wish someone would tell Mays "look kid you aren't a grunt, you are a premier physical speciman stop playing like someone who has to get by on smarts because they lack physically"

[Quesadilla Joe]

If running a sub 4.3 throwing up 24 reps and doing a 41 inch vertical doesn't help a guy why the **** should he even go to the combine?

His combine showing basically reaffirming he is athletically what everyone said he was should make him a top 15 pick.

People have been talking about how much of an athletic freak Mays is for a few years now. His combine shouldn't have surprised anyone.

People are questioning his tackling, his football IQ, and his coverage not his athleticism.

[RustShack]

What pisses me off more than anything is people saying he dumb. There isn't a shred of evidence anywhere that says hes dumb, can't learn a playbook, and that he has no idea what hes doing. Do people just assume hes dumb because he does exactly what his coach wants him to do in the scheme they run?

[Mecca]

It's an easy argument to go to.

Just like saying he didn't help himself in the combine which is absurd.

[Al Bundy]

If you don't think he helped himself here ya go...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnaTYuphAnTbh.7wpUckqnBDubYF?slug=nfp-source_taylor_mays_ran_419_at_usc_html-201032&prov=nfp&type=lgns

I don't know if Mays will ever develop great ball skills but he's going to go high because teams will look at the natural ability and his floor is pretty high, even if he never develops it he'll start in the league for 12 years, he works hard, he's smart.

I really wish someone would tell Mays "look kid you aren't a grunt, you are a premier physical speciman stop playing like someone who has to get by on smarts because they lack physically"

He'll be a Raider.

[Mecca]

Actually I'd think he's going to the 49ers at this moment.

[Dante84]

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[BossChief]

Could he be the next Ronnie Lott?

[TheGuardian]

He has the upper-body strength of McCoy with 60-70lbs less mass.


It really is amazing.


I had all but written him off of being a top 10 pick, but the way some teams get crazy I wouldn't be surprised if someone pulled the trigger on him early.

Bench pressing 225 for reps is not indicative of upper body strength. Sheesh it's a strength endurance feat and a piss poor indicator of football strength. I know guys that are 198 pounds that can bench 225 for 40+. It doesn't mean they are as football strong as McCoy. Get a grip. And 24 reps is really ho-fucking-hum anyway. I can do that on an incline.

Second, everyone knew Mays would have an awesome combine. He's a workout warrior, he is not a GREAT football player. Period.

[notorious]

Bench pressing 225 for reps is not indicative of upper body strength. Sheesh it's a strength endurance feat and a piss poor indicator of football strength. I know guys that are 198 pounds that can bench 225 for 40+. It doesn't mean they are as football strong as McCoy. Get a grip. And 24 reps is really ho-****ing-hum anyway. I can do that on an incline.

Second, everyone knew Mays would have an awesome combine. He's a workout warrior, he is not a GREAT football player. Period.

Nothing to do with upper body strength.......


So a 5 year old girl should be able to rep out at least 20@225 if it has nothing to do with upper body strength.

Why in the **** do the scouts have the players do something that has absolutely nothing to do with football? Why not have them write poems, or show the scouts their favorite hobby. That is a good comparison about how worthless this exercise is, isn't it?


BTW, stop sucking you own cock on the internet. If you are such an animal why aren't you out beating up on average strengthed NFL players on Sundays?

[BarrySPAMAID]

I have been talking about Taylor Mays for months now. ( Not here, I rarely post here ) But I think the guy is legit.

I still think it's very possible the Chiefs could trade out of 5, and pick him up mid round. But with him running that fast of a 40, gonna be tough. Eric Berry is still Eric Berry, dont get me wrong. But Taylor Mays is a starter too.

[Mecca]

I don't think the Chiefs will take Mays, he'll get looks probably from 7-15 though.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I don't think the Chiefs will take Mays, he'll get looks probably from 7-15 though.

Make that 6-15 and I think you're spot on. I think Carrol is going to want him pretty bad. I don't think Seattle would draft both Berry and Mays, but if they did, I'd buy a hat and go to more than just the Chiefs game next year for sure. I'd get pretty excited about them. Not happening, they need an OT pretty bad. I'll bet they're praying Okung falls to 6.

[KCrockaholic]

Your sig isn't really fair Mr. Flopnuts. You have to pick one of them. We can't have BOTH Berry and Clausen.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Your sig isn't really fair Mr. Flopnuts. You have to pick one of them. We can't have BOTH Berry and Clausen.

Kudos to ChiefsCountry he made this and gave me permission to use it as well. Clausen 1st, Berry 2nd. That's my preference.

[KCrockaholic]

Kudos to ChiefsCountry he made this and gave me permission to use it as well. Clausen 1st, Berry 2nd. That's my preference.

Gotcha. It does look pretty cool though. But I'll take the guy on the right :)

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Gotcha. It does look pretty cool though. But I'll take the guy on the right :)

I sure wouldn't complain. But I think Clausen could have the best career of any QB to come out in the last few years. That may get me some shit flipped my way, but I'm really impressed with his accuracy and the touch he puts on the ball. He makes great decisions, and is ready to roll right out of the gate. If he goes to the right team and gets put in the right system, look out. He's going to be special. Normally I wouldn't think the Chiefs would be one of those teams but with Weis, I think it'd be ideal.

[Mecca]

Cleveland is the wildcard, Joe Haden's shit workout pushed him down.

[KCrockaholic]

I sure wouldn't complain. But I think Clausen is going to have the best career of any QB to come out in the last few years. That may get me some shit flipped my way, but I'm really impressed with his accuracy and the touch he puts on the ball. He makes great decisions, and is ready to roll right out of the gate. If he goes to the right team and gets put in the right system, look out. He's going to be special. Normally I wouldn't think the Chiefs would be one of those teams but with Weis, I think it'd be ideal.

If he winds up with the Chiefs...I hope your right. I actually find him as a guy who (if he started immediately) would be horrible. I don't see him as NFL ready. I know that goes against the grain, but I think he will be a guy who 4 years from draft day will be a top flight QB. But his 1st couple season are going to be ugly.

[BossChief]

I can see us winning a championship with Clausen and our staff.

I seriously believe he has league mvp potential and will be the best qb after PM is gone.

[Saccopoo]

Make that 6-15 and I think you're spot on. I think Carrol is going to want him pretty bad. I don't think Seattle would draft both Berry and Mays, but if they did, I'd buy a hat and go to more than just the Chiefs game next year for sure. I'd get pretty excited about them. Not happening, they need an OT pretty bad. I'll bet they're praying Okung falls to 6.

Sure, it's okay that everybody else who needs offensive line help is praying for Okung to drop, but people around here are swearing that they are going to chew on the end of a shotgun barrel if the Chiefs draft him. Because, well, you know, the Chiefs don't really need to improve their offensive line. It was so super good last year, giving up the second highest amount of sacks in the NFL, one of the most penalized units in the NFL, etc.

Drafting a safety, a mother fucking safety, with a top five pick is going to be the cure-all. I sure as hell am sure that as soon as Berry suits up for the Chiefs that opposing defenses are going to just roll over and let the Chiefs run the ball on them all game long just in an effort to keep their offense off the field so Eric Berry won't get the chance to humiliate them six ways to Sunday.

[Saccopoo]

I can see us winning a championship with Clausen and our staff.

I seriously believe he has league mvp potential and will be the best qb after PM is gone.

http://www.unsaccodicanapa.com/roor_photo_gallery/club-roor5.jpg

[Hammock Parties]

Wow, total reach by BossChief. ROFL

[tk13]

Your sig isn't really fair Mr. Flopnuts. You have to pick one of them. We can't have BOTH Berry and Clausen.

You've apparently missed my plan to accidently cause a freak genetic accident, creating a mutated QB/S named Eric Clausenberry.

[Dante84]

You've apparently missed my plan to accidently cause a freak genetic accident, creating a mutated QB/S named Eric Clausenberry.

I'd rather have Eric Mayberry. :D

[Hammock Parties]

You've apparently missed my plan to accidently cause a freak genetic accident, creating a mutated QB/S named Eric Clausenberry.

You post so infrequently these days it reminds me of this...

http://i.imgur.com/29zWK.gif (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

[Phobia]

I was pimping Taylor Mays, like 2 Novembers ago and also, I can do 24 reps on a decline plus 10 and one one handed just for style. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.

[tk13]

Crap, I was pimping Taylor Mays when he was a fetus. I heard he shot out of the birth canal in 3.2, but the electronic timing later had him at 3.5.

[BossChief]

LMAO And you traded your 1st rounder this year to get one in the 2nd last year. I love it. and then because that corner they traded a first to get couldnt cut it at nickle they had to sign Ty Law!

Wow, total reach by BossChief. ROFL

It isnt a reach one bit.

I said it before and Ill say it again after this, I would much rather us draft Clausen this year over Sanchez last year and that is after seeing Sanchez mature into a exciting young player.

Give Clausen Romeos defense to limit how much he has to do to win games and bring him along slowly and the kid could be very special.

Weis is a qb guru and he has three years worth of familiarity with the player and the player already has three years familiarity with the system as well. It is no stretch to assume that Clausen would definitely have to be in that conversation in a few years of development and adjustment to the NFL.

The kid has every tool to make it happen.

I 100% stand by that.

Ive also said multiple times that I think this is one of the strongest draft classes in the last 20 years overall. Many people said they disagree with that but I am now seeing scouts and other sources saying the same thing, so I must be reaching accurately, by somes opinion anyway.

If we drafted Clausen it would be the single most exciting draft pick of my lifetime. (31)

[DaKCMan AP]

Cleveland is the wildcard, Joe Haden's shit workout pushed him down.

Shit workout? He ran a poor 40. If the 40 time constitutes the entire workout, then you'd be correct. It doesn't, however. The rest of the drills he dominated. The only player who looked nearly as fluid in his group was Berry.

[BossChief]

I wouldnt be surprised if Haden fell to the very late 1st or even to the point Flowers fell because of his time in the 40. He plays a position that the 40 directly relates to his position and it showed he isnt fast enough to cover true #1s in the NFL and will need safety help.

[DaKCMan AP]

I wouldnt be surprised if Haden fell to the very late 1st or even to the point Flowers fell because of his time in the 40. He plays a position that the 40 directly relates to his position and it showed he isnt fast enough to cover true #1s in the NFL and will need safety help.

That's bull. If anything he'll drop from top-10 to top-15. First, he can improve his time at the Florida's pro day and make the whole thing moot. Secondly, he can't cover true #1's in the NFL? Please. He did a fine job of shutting down both AJ Green and Julio Jones, both who are expected to be top picks next year. He also shut down Marty Gilyard in the Sugar Bowl.

Flowers also fell due to lack of size and supposed character issues (remember the whole facebook profile image garbage?). None of that exists for Haden. If Flowers were 5'11 200lbs he wouldn't have lasted until the 2nd round, despite his 40 time.

[BossChief]

That's bull. If anything he'll drop from top-10 to top-15. First, he can improve his time at the Florida's pro day and make the whole thing moot. Secondly, he can't cover true #1's in the NFL? Please. He did a fine job of shutting down both AJ Green and Julio Jones, both who are expected to be top picks next year. He also shut down Marty Gilyard in the Sugar Bowl.

Flowers also fell due to lack of size and supposed character issues (remember the whole facebook profile image garbage?). None of that exists for Haden. If Flowers were 5'11 200lbs he wouldn't have lasted until the 2nd round, despite his 40 time.

I cant see a team spending a top 15 pick on a corner that runs a near 4.6 40. Thats my point. Falling to the second is extreme, but the top corner falls on more years than not and that time dictates he will fall.

With the absurd talent on defense in this draft, the kid will fall if he doesn't run a much better 40 on his proday.

[DaKCMan AP]

I cant see a team spending a top 15 pick on a corner that runs a near 4.6 40. Thats my point. Falling to the second is extreme, but the top corner falls on more years than not and that time dictates he will fall.

With the absurd talent on defense in this draft, the kid will fall if he doesn't run a much better 40 on his proday.

If he runs a 4.5 at his pro day his stock will be right back up. Game tape doesn't lie and 40 times are way overrated. Corners don't start in a 3pt stance and then run 40yds in a straight line. They backpedal, flip their hips and then run (and on routes with double moves, they may stop, flip their hips and then start again). Haden excelled in every drill except the straight-line 40yd dash. He still may improve on that in the next month.

[TheGuardian]

Nothing to do with upper body strength.......


So a 5 year old girl should be able to rep out at least 20@225 if it has nothing to do with upper body strength.

Why in the **** do the scouts have the players do something that has absolutely nothing to do with football? Why not have them write poems, or show the scouts their favorite hobby. That is a good comparison about how worthless this exercise is, isn't it?


I don't know. Strength coaches have been asking this question for years. Why do they have them do the 225 rep test when it's a piss poor indicator of upper body strength? It's a strength endurance test dumbass. The fact that you think it is a great measuring stick of upper body strength shows you don't have a ****ing clue as to what you're talking about here (and the fact that you think a 230 pound guy doing 23 reps with 225 is amazing when it's very ho-hum).

A max single on an incline bench press would be a better indicator of a guys upperbody strength in relation to football. Instituting a front squat to measure would be even more helpful.


BTW, stop sucking you own cock on the internet. If you are such an animal why aren't you out beating up on average strengthed NFL players on Sundays?

Sucking my cock is your girls job...on Sundays.

[Consistent1]

I don't know. Strength coaches have been asking this question for years. Why do they have them do the 225 rep test when it's a piss poor indicator of upper body strength? It's a strength endurance test dumbass. The fact that you think it is a great measuring stick of upper body strength shows you don't have a ****ing clue as to what you're talking about here (and the fact that you think a 230 pound guy doing 23 reps with 225 is amazing when it's very ho-hum).

A max single on an incline bench press would be a better indicator of a guys upperbody strength in relation to football. Instituting a front squat to measure would be even more helpful.



Sucking my cock is your girls job...on Sundays.

315 squats for deep reps and 405 deadlifts for reps would be awesome. That would reflect overall power and core strength for football much more accurately.

[Consistent1]

Oh, and this too...
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Haden-Mays-reminds-us-again-to-beware-the-cult-?urn=ncaaf,225322

[58-4ever]

Could you a bigger enabler for USC players? I wouldn't care if we took Mays in the latter part of the first round but more than likely, the guy is going to be an epic failure of a player. He has poor football instincts and is stiff. People saying shit like "could be one of the best all time" need to get their head examined.

A little early to be called an "epic failure". Don't you have to be pretty highly touted to epically fail? He's a mid to late first rounder. Not sure that qualifies. :facepalm:

[DaKCMan AP]

A little early to be called an "epic failure". Don't you have to be pretty highly touted to epically fail? He's a mid to late first rounder. Not sure that qualifies. :facepalm:

Trezelle Jenkins was drafted 31st overall and is widely considered an "epic failure".

[Brock]

Trezelle Jenkins was drafted 31st overall and is widely considered an "epic failure".

I think he was more considered a guy who was who everybody but Carl Peterson thought he was. To me an epic failure has to be a guy with big expectations.

[DaKCMan AP]

I think he was more considered a guy who was who everybody but Carl Peterson thought he was. To me an epic failure has to be a guy with big expectations.

IMO, anyone selected with a 1st round pick should have big expectations.

[Consistent1]

You don't have to have him eat doughnuts. The S&T staff at USC had to watch his weightlifing, because if they didn't, he'd get up to 260-270.

This is an example of ignorant shit regarding Mays. I try to stay out of these discussions but that it is stupid as can be.

A little early to be called an "epic failure". Don't you have to be pretty highly touted to epically fail? He's a mid to late first rounder. Not sure that qualifies. :facepalm:

I think he will be a nice player in the end myself, but that 40 hype and all is a bit much.

[Brock]

IMO, anyone selected with a 1st round pick should have big expectations.

Right, but everybody was like WTF, that's a bad pick.

[58-4ever]

Trezelle Jenkins was drafted 31st overall and is widely considered an "epic failure".

To Chiefs fans maybe, but around the league it was just another bad pick by Peterson...

[58-4ever]

IMO, anyone selected with a 1st round pick should have big expectations.

And I don't think Mays will be anywhere close to Jenkins. At the very least, Mays will be a solid starting safety for 5-8 years...

IMHO

[Frosty]

I heard something really stupid on Total Access last night. Demarco Farr was explaining why Mays didn't make many impact plays last year. He said that it is because USC owns all of the talent in the PAC-10 and there just aren't plays to be made. :spock:

First of all, if the other teams are so bad, then there should be lots of plays to be made because those teams would be throwing a lot to try to catch up.

Secondly, last season Oregon State put up 36 points against USC, Oregon put up 47 points and Stanford put up 55 points. Apparently, there were at least a few plays to be made.

How do some of these guys get these jobs?

[TheGuardian]

315 squats for deep reps and 405 deadlifts for reps would be awesome. That would reflect overall power and core strength for football much more accurately.

A front squat, incline press, and hang clean for a max single would tell you all you needed to know. Bench pressing 225 for reps doesn't tell you a damned thing about a guys strength.

[TheGuardian]

A little early to be called an "epic failure". Don't you have to be pretty highly touted to epically fail? He's a mid to late first rounder. Not sure that qualifies. :facepalm:

Mays isn't getting a ton of hype? Lots of sites months ago called him the best player in the draft before Suh started going crazy. And just check the dumbass 2nd post in this very thread.

[58-4ever]

Mays isn't getting a ton of hype? Lots of sites months ago called him the best player in the draft before Suh started going crazy. And just check the dumbass 2nd post in this very thread.

Sure he's getting hype, but he won't even be a top ten pick. Seems we are arguing semantics at this point, but if he goes out and contributes and starts for only three years or so, I wouldn't call it an epic failure. And I think that is the bottom floor for Mays.

[TheGuardian]

Sure he's getting hype, but he won't even be a top ten pick. Seems we are arguing semantics at this point, but if he goes out and contributes and starts for only three years or so, I wouldn't call it an epic failure. And I think that is the bottom floor for Mays.

A guy doesn't have to be taken top 10 to be an epic failure. Part of being an epic failure is sliding in the draft and then becoming a first round bust, regardless of where you are taken in the first. Mays just doesn't seem like a football player to me. More like a workout warrior.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I wish Denver didn't draft two safeties last year. This draft has a bunch of good ones.

Well, see, that's because your organizations sucks.

I sure wouldn't complain. But I think Clausen could have the best career of any QB to come out in the last few years. That may get me some shit flipped my way, but I'm really impressed with his accuracy and the touch he puts on the ball. He makes great decisions, and is ready to roll right out of the gate. If he goes to the right team and gets put in the right system, look out. He's going to be special. Normally I wouldn't think the Chiefs would be one of those teams but with Weis, I think it'd be ideal.

I can see us winning a championship with Clausen and our staff.

I seriously believe he has league mvp potential and will be the best qb after PM is gone.

NO NO NO; we must stay the course! Okung FTW!

[BarrySPAMAID]

Well, see, that's because your organizations sucks.





NO NO NO; we must stay the course! Okung FTW!

Your on the Okung wagon???.....wow.....that surprises me.

[-King-]

Your on the Okung wagon???.....wow.....that surprises me.


Sarcasm meters cant run for that much these days. You should invest in one.

[BossChief]

Your on the Okung wagon???.....wow.....that surprises me.

LOL Barry in rare form.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I heard something really stupid on Total Access last night. Demarco Farr was explaining why Mays didn't make many impact plays last year. He said that it is because USC owns all of the talent in the PAC-10 and there just aren't plays to be made. :spock:

First of all, if the other teams are so bad, then there should be lots of plays to be made because those teams would be throwing a lot to try to catch up.

Secondly, last season Oregon State put up 36 points against USC, Oregon put up 47 points and Stanford put up 55 points. Apparently, there were at least a few plays to be made.

How do some of these guys get these jobs?

ROFL That is pretty sad on his part.

[aturnis]

Mecca, you are always saying he wasn't a playmaker b/c he does what he's told, now you say at the senior bowl, he was told to make plays and did. Not to get up in your grill or anything, but is this stuff you just say, or are there interviews w/ him or his coaches to back it up? Just wondering, b/c unlike Rusty, I do want to blindly follow anyone. TIA.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Well, see, that's because your organizations sucks.


And you guys drafted Tyson Jackson a year before the best DL class in the past ten years.:)

[KCrockaholic]

And you guys drafted Tyson Jackson a year before the best DL class in the past ten years.:)

Hey bud, 259. 44-24. Just remember that.

[Chiefs=Champions]

And you guys drafted Tyson Jackson a year before the best DL class in the past ten years.:)

Robert Ayers :)

[Mecca]

Mecca, you are always saying he wasn't a playmaker b/c he does what he's told, now you say at the senior bowl, he was told to make plays and did. Not to get up in your grill or anything, but is this stuff you just say, or are there interviews w/ him or his coaches to back it up? Just wondering, b/c unlike Rusty, I do want to blindly follow anyone. TIA.

In his senior bowl interview he was asked a question about not having a bunch of INT's and he said "I did what coach Carroll told me to do"

[KCrockaholic]

In his senior bowl interview he was asked a question about not having a bunch of INT's and he said "I did what coach Carroll told me to do"

Not letting Mays be a playmaker? That just makes Carrol look like a tool.

[Mecca]

Well it worked until everyone else went pro, Mays essentially covered for the rest of the secondary which was the weak link of the awesome defense.

[Mecca]

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Watch that vid it's pretty telling of the person Mays is.

[Saccopoo]

And you guys drafted Tyson Jackson a year before the best DL class in the past ten years.:)

Fuck you.

We also gave up a draft pick to select Jake O'Connell the year previous to what is the best tight end class in the history of the draft.

But it still doesn't compare to you selecting Robert Ayers in the first round, who started a grand total of ONE game, and had 19 total tackles in the 15 games that he appeared in. 19.

Or that you pissed away a first round draft choice to select a punt returner. Or that you completely wasted the other two second rounders that you had on guys like DB Darcell McBath and TE Richard Quinn.

I mean, seriously...the Doncos picked Richard Quinn in the SECOND round last year. With all the tight end studs coming out this year, and you picked Richard Fucking Quinn?!

The Doncs had the worst second round of any team in history last year, and you've got the balls to come around here and give the Chiefs shit about their 2009 draft?

Fuck you retard.

[Quesadilla Joe]

**** you.

We also gave up a draft pick to select Jake O'Connell the year previous to what is the best tight end class in the history of the draft.

But it still doesn't compare to you selecting Robert Ayers in the first round, who started a grand total of ONE game, and had 19 total tackles in the 15 games that he appeared in. 19.

Or that you pissed away a first round draft choice to select a punt returner. Or that you completely wasted the other two second rounders that you had on guys like DB Darcell McBath and TE Richard Quinn.

I mean, seriously...the Doncos picked Richard Quinn in the SECOND round last year. With all the tight end studs coming out this year, and you picked Richard ****ing Quinn?!

The Doncs had the worst second round of any team in history last year, and you've got the balls to come around here and give the Chiefs shit about their 2009 draft?

**** you retard.

Darcel McBath led the team in special teams tackles and was close to leading the league in special teams tackles. He also played excellent when Brian Dawkins was hurt. He is a playmaker and will be starting for the Broncos for a long time. McDaniels believes in letting young guys learn behind vets before he puts them in.

Richard Quinn was the LAST pick in the 2nd round that Denver traded up to get. A lot of teams wanted him because he is a fantastic blocking TE. He is a role player who played very well for us last year.

Robert Ayers was a starter in our nickle package and it is kind of hard to start when you have an All Pro in Dumervil and a very good OLB in Mario Haggan who is our best LB against the run.

[BossChief]

There is something funny about KnowMo and Sac having a battle of wits.

[Saccopoo]

There is something funny about KnowMo and Sac having a battle of wits.

There is something intrinsically sad about you commenting about anything to do with wit.

[BossChief]

:facepalm:

I remember when you used to put so much more into this. Lately, you bring nothing but weak sauce to the table...I hope you are ok man...

[CrazyHorse]

Darcel McBath led the team in special teams tackles and was close to leading the league in special teams tackles. He also played excellent when Brian Dawkins was hurt. He is a playmaker and will be starting for the Broncos for a long time. McDaniels believes in letting young guys learn behind vets before he puts them in.

Richard Quinn was the LAST pick in the 2nd round that Denver traded up to get. A lot of teams wanted him because he is a fantastic blocking TE. He is a role player who played very well for us last year.

Robert Ayers was a starter in our nickle package and it is kind of hard to start when you have an All Pro in Dumervil and a very good OLB in Mario Haggan who is our best LB against the run.

ROFL

Coffee was coming out of my nose after I read this stuff. You ought to take that on the road as an NFL halftime show or something.

[DaKCMan AP]

ROFL

Coffee was coming out of my nose after I read this stuff. You ought to take that on the road as an NFL halftime show or something.

According to what KnowNothing spews, it's a wonder how the Donks don't win the Super Bowl every year with all of their superior talent.

[TheGuardian]

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Watch that vid it's pretty telling of the person Mays is.

So a highlight video is supposed to do what? Can we see a lowlight video where he takes shitty angles and looks lost in space and coverage?

And I don't get impressed by guys blind siding WR's.