10 teams have expressed concerns about QB Jimmy Clausen's leadership and maturity

[Tribal Warfare]

ESPN's draft analyst Todd McShay indicated that at least 10 teams have expressed concerns about QB Jimmy Clausen's leadership and maturity. (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5574)

McShay believes Clausen will have an easier transition than any rookie quarterback mentally because of his time in Charlie Weis' pro-style offense. Teams are concerned that he's "maxed out physically," though, while displaying a sense of entitlement. The maturity tag has followed Clausen for awhile, but this could be a case of teams simply spreading bad info.

[ChiefsCountry]

McShay is a douchebag.

[BryanBusby]

McShay is still at it eh?

[Tribal Warfare]

McShay is a douchebag.

I tried to get his name in the title but for context, but the title was too long.

[Hammock Parties]

When are quarterbacks not maxed out physically?

Did Joe Montana ever get bigger or stronger, or faster?

[ChiefsCountry]

When are quarterbacks not maxed out physically?

Did Joe Montana ever get bigger or stronger, or faster?

Its Todd McShay, he makes you and Nick look like real journalists.

[Nightfyre]

Let me guess. It was:
The browns, the bills, the jaguars, the seahawks, the dolphins, the 49ers, the titans, the cardinals, the vikings, and the eagles.

[Mecca]

McShay absolutely despises Clausen, makes you wonder if if Clausen stole his wife or something.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Clausen was the most overhyped QB coming out of HS in recent memory and he did nothing but lose games in college.

[Mecca]

Wins and losses mean jack and shit.

David Greene and Colt McCoy have the most college wins, think that means much?

[ChiefsCountry]

Wins and losses mean jack and shit.

David Greene and Colt McCoy have the most college wins, think that means much?

Really funny coming from a Donks fan. Look at their idol's record in college.

[Mecca]

Wins is a team stat, Ken Dorsey won a lot of games, who cares.

You don't judge how players will transition to the NFL because they didn't get a bunch of wins because they happened to not play on a great team.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Notre Dame never plays anybody good though. You would think that a great QB would be able to win some games playing against weak opponents

[Mecca]

They didn't lose games because they couldn't score so I don't see how this argument flies.

[Chiefs=Champions]

When are quarterbacks not maxed out physically?

Did Joe Montana ever get bigger or stronger, or faster?

haha this actually a pretty good point. though i suspect they put on a bit of muscle in the pros..

[Quesadilla Joe]

Really funny coming from a Donks fan. Look at their idol's record in college.

I know Elway didn't have a winning record in college but he was playing with future doctors and lawyers while going against good competiton. Not many top notch athletes are smart enough to get into Stanford.

[Mecca]

You are aware that Notre Dame has a high academic standard right?

[milkman]

I know Elway didn't have a winning record in college but he was playing with future doctors and lawyers while going against good competiton. Not many top notch athletes are smart enough to get into Stanford.

Oh
My
God

Holy shit

LMAO

Unfuckingbelievable.

[Quesadilla Joe]

You are aware that Notre Dame has a high academic standard right?

It's no Stanford University.
Oh
My
God

Holy shit

LMAO

Un****ingbelievable.What?

[Chiefs=Champions]

I know Elway didn't have a winning record in college but he was playing with future doctors and lawyers while going against good competiton. Not many top notch athletes are smart enough to get into Stanford.

ROFL

[RedThat]

Elway should of been a doctor. Maybe Marty would've won a few bowls then?

[milkman]

Elway should of been a doctor. Maybe Marty would've won a few bowls then?

Yeah.....


No...

He'd have still lost.

It's what he did.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Clausen was the most overhyped QB coming out of HS in recent memory and he did nothing but lose games in college.

The last time a story like this played out it was John Elway coming out of Stanford. The major difference being that Jimmy Clausen led his team to a bowl game.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

The last time a story like this played out it was John Elway coming out of Stanford. The major difference being that Jimmy Clausen led his team to a bowl game.

Dammit, you guys already beat me to it.

[Quesadilla Joe]

How many players on Elway's college team made it to the NFL? I bet he would have loved having a 1st round WR to throw to.

[Mecca]

They didn't lose games because of their offense, did you not see this part?

[RealSNR]

I've never seen a draft "guru" in the mold of Mel Kiper hate on one single player the way McShay does Clausen. It's borderline politics, the way somebody might flame a political opponent.

[Quesadilla Joe]

They didn't lose games because of their offense, did you not see this part?

I know they had a horrible run defense last year and that they lost a handful of games the past couple years due to poor game management on Weis' part.

[Chiefs=Champions]

I know they had a horrible run defense last year and that they lost a handful of games the past couple years due to poor game management on Weis' part.

haha :thumb:

[BossChief]

In NDs 6 losses the offense put up point totals of:

34
27
21
22
30
38

The defense lost games for them.

I would absolutely love to see this kid with a defense to protect him (which he would have in time with Romeo) and to be able to be coached by Charlie for his pro career.

2009 425 289 68.0 3,722 28 4 161.4 59 -95 -1.6 3
2008 440 268 60.9 3,172 25 17 132.5 54 -73 -1.4 0
2007 245 138 56.3 1,254 7 6 103.9 62 -187 -3.0 2
Career 1110 695 62.6 8,148 60 27 137.2 175 -355 -2.0 5

That is how he progressed every year.

This kid is very coachable, has the tools, and will be a great pro if he falls into the right situation.

[-King-]

So hmmm... Jay Cutler must be going to the Hall of Fame also because he went to an incredibly great academic school like Elway and he also didn't get to play with NFL type WRs like Elway.


McD must be a fucking dumbass for getting rid of him.


Isn't that the logic you're using?

[-King-]

ESPN's draft analyst Todd McShay indicated that at least 10 teams have expressed concerns about QB Jimmy Clausen's leadership and maturity. (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5574)

McShay believes Clausen will have an easier transition than any rookie quarterback mentally because of his time in Charlie Weis' pro-style offense. Teams are concerned that he's "maxed out physically," though, while displaying a sense of entitlement. The maturity tag has followed Clausen for awhile, but this could be a case of teams simply spreading bad info.

So once QBs go to the NFL they're magically able to throw further and run faster? McShay is a dumbass.

[Tribal Warfare]

So once QBs go to the NFL they're magically able to throw further and run faster? McShay is a dumbass.

He's referring to late bloomers like Tom Brady, whose build took a little longer to mature and fill out.

[Quesadilla Joe]

So hmmm... Jay Cutler must be going to the Hall of Fame also because he went to an incredibly great academic school like Elway and he also didn't get to play with NFL type WRs like Elway.


McD must be a ****ing dumbass for getting rid of him.


Isn't that the logic you're using?

Ever hear of Earl Bennett? He also had a LT drafted in the first round. Not one of Elways teammates was drafted in the first or second round.

[Hootie]

Damn...if only Elway had Earl Bennett when he was in college...

[Hootie]

lets dissect the Broncos 1st round last year...

they drafted a RB that was less effective than Correll Buckhalter...a LB that managed 0 sacks...and traded their 2010 1st for a midget CB...

Suddenly I don't feel so bad about Tyson Jackson.

[The Franchise]

Ever hear of Earl Bennett? He also had a LT drafted in the first round. Not one of Elways teammates was drafted in the first or second round.

Wow....Earl Bennett who was drafted in the 3rd round.


And that LT? You mean Chris Williams who hasn't amounted to shit yet?

Suuuuuurrreeeeee. :rolleyes:

[Quesadilla Joe]

lets dissect the Broncos 1st round last year...

they drafted a RB that was less effective than Correll Buckhalter...a LB that managed 0 sacks...and traded their 2010 1st for a midget CB...

Suddenly I don't feel so bad about Tyson Jackson.

Knowshon led all rookies in rushing yards. Ayers will be starting this year instead of playing nickle all season like he did last year. Smith was a disappointment though.

I would much rather have our draft than what the Chiefs did last year.

[The Franchise]

How many players on Elway's college team made it to the NFL? I bet he would have loved having a 1st round WR to throw to.

Well lets take a look shall we.

Elway's career at Stanford = 1979–1982

Who he played with?

1st round RB - Darrin Nelson
1st round OT - Brian Holloway
3rd round TE - Chris Dressel
3rd round WR - Ken Margerum

[Quesadilla Joe]

Well lets take a look shall we.

Elway's career at Stanford = 1979–1982

Who he played with?

1st round RB - Darrin Nelson
1st round OT - Brian Holloway
3rd round TE - Chris Dressel
3rd round WR - Ken Margerum

:cuss:

[Chiefnj2]

So once QBs go to the NFL they're magically able to throw further and run faster? McShay is a dumbass.

You don't think QB's continue to get stronger in the NFL under better conditioning programs and coaching?

[Sanka]

Notre Dame never plays anybody good though. You would think that a great QB would be able to win some games playing against weak opponents

Hey Knowshit Moron, what the fuck are you talking about? Notre Dame's defense is the reason ND lost so many games. If not for Clausen, I could recall at least 3 or 4 games that they should of lost.

[Chiefnj2]

Hey Knowshit Moron, what the **** are you talking about? Notre Dame's defense is the reason ND lost so many games. If not for Clausen, I could recall at least 3 or 4 games that they should of lost.

Lets stop acting like Notre Dame had a brutal schedule against top ranked teams. How many away games did they have this year? Four? The highest ranked team was who - Pitt?

[Ebolapox]

Well lets take a look shall we.

Elway's career at Stanford = 1979–1982

Who he played with?

1st round RB - Darrin Nelson
1st round OT - Brian Holloway
3rd round TE - Chris Dressel
3rd round WR - Ken Margerum

ROFL

brilliant.

[BossChief]

I know they had a horrible run defense last year and that they lost a handful of games the past couple years due to poor game management on Weis' part.

Ever hear of Earl Bennett? He also had a LT drafted in the first round. Not one of Elways teammates was drafted in the first or second round.

Well lets take a look shall we.

Elway's career at Stanford = 1979–1982

Who he played with?

1st round RB - Darrin Nelson
1st round OT - Brian Holloway
3rd round TE - Chris Dressel
3rd round WR - Ken Margerum

somebody got owned...again

[tyler360]

How does Knownothing have green rep? he should be in total red for the dumbshit he says.

[BossChief]

How does Knownothing have green rep? he should be in total red for the dumbshit he says.

..because there are a bunch of blind homers that keep him there. Plus, there are a bunch of Bronco fans on the board.

[orange]

When are quarterbacks not maxed out physically?

Did Joe Montana ever get bigger or stronger, or faster?

Elway started hitting the weights somewhere around year 10. He learned that the extra mass helped protect against injury. I think he put on about 20 lbs.

[Quesadilla Joe]

..because there are a bunch of blind homers that keep him there. Plus, there are a bunch of Bronco fans on the board.

I have an anonymous repper that helps keep me in green. :)

[Chiefs=Champions]

Well lets take a look shall we.

Elway's career at Stanford = 1979–1982

Who he played with?

1st round RB - Darrin Nelson
1st round OT - Brian Holloway
3rd round TE - Chris Dressel
3rd round WR - Ken Margerum

:clap: ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

[milkman]

..because there are a bunch of blind homers that keep him there. Plus, there are a bunch of Bronco fans on the board.

Because his dumbassery is so epic that I laugh my ass off.

How can you neg rep someone that provides so much entertainment?

[penchief]

McShay absolutely despises Clausen, makes you wonder if if Clausen stole his wife or something.

I'm not at all sold on Clausen but it is annoying when anyone makes it their personal agenda to campaign against a player whom they have no way of knowing how he will pan out. It's like the people around here who want to proclaim with certainty that Bradford is going to be a bust in the face of his obvious skill set and highly regarded intangibles.

Expressing one's opinion or concerns is one thing but planting a flag and becoming personally invested in the future success or failure of another human being is kind of lame.