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Hammock Parties
03-24-2010, 12:54 PM
NFL personnel men concerned by marijuana 'epidemic' in draft class

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/03/23/nfl.draft.marijuana/index.html?eref=sihp


ORLANDO -- There's a widespread belief within the NFL that the 2010 draft represents one of the deepest and most promising pools of collegiate talent in years. But in addition to the vast potential of this year's draft class, numerous NFL personnel evaluators told SI.com they are concerned about the increased number of prospects who have a history of marijuana use in their background, with players often acknowledging a failed drug test for pot in college in interviews with team executives.

SI.com interviewed four NFL head coaches, four general managers and two other high-level club personnel executives for this story. Due to the sensitivity of the topic, all requested anonymity in order to speak candidly about the issue.

According to one veteran club personnel man, 10 or 11 players who carry first-round draft grades on their board this year have been red-flagged for marijuana use in college, an estimate echoed by two clubs' head coaches. Another NFL head coach estimated that "one-third'' of the players on his club's draft board had some sort of history with marijuana use and would thus require an extra level of evaluation as part of the pre-draft scouting process.

"Marijuana use is almost epidemic, with more guys having tested positive for marijuana at some point in their college background than I can ever remember,'' said a longtime team personnel man. "It's almost as if we are having to figure out a new way to evaluate it as part of the character and background report, because it's so prevalent. There're enough instances of it that it's hard to know how to set your board. You can't throw out that many guys. You have to go case-by-case and do your homework on them.''

It's important to note that NFL club officials in this case are only referencing failed drug tests administered by the prospect's college that wind up on his background report, not the drug tests the league conducts as part of the scouting process at last month's NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Players with drug test failures in college are not automatically enrolled in the NFL's drug-testing program upon being drafted, but those players can be added at the league's discretion, depending on the type of drug used, how recent the failed test occurred and if there were multiple failures.

"It's something that's concerning to all coaches and general managers in this league,'' one veteran NFL head coach said at the league's annual meeting in Orlando. "It has been trending the wrong way in recent years. But it's something that has to be dealt with from on high, at the league level, and not just dealt with on a club by club basis. It's partly a societal issue, but it's something we're having to deal with more and more.''

In many cases these days, club officials say, players are much more open to admitting to past marijuana use or experimentation in college as part of their pre-draft interviews with NFL teams.

"The kids are admitting it much more now, and part of that is what they've been coached to do [by their agents or handlers],'' one club general manager said. "They want to get the truth out and give you an explanation for their use. That's seen as better than letting someone else put it out there for you and making you look like you were being evasive.

"But we've had that same conversation internally on our club: 'Wow, there's a lot of kids this year.' It seems much more common now, across the draft.''

One NFL head coach told me this week that in this era of some states decriminalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, he has interviewed potential draft picks who didn't even seem to recognize their marijuana smoking constituted drug use in the eyes of the NFL.

"It's pretty significant as a trend,'' the head coach said. "But if you knocked everyone off your board who has experimented with weed, you'd lose about 20 percent of your board, not to mention disqualify a few recent presidents. A third sounds a little high to me, but it's not a rare occurrence to have a player with some pot use in his background. You have to make a judgment on each individual guy.''

That same head coach said that earlier in his NFL coaching career, if a player had failed a drug test for pot in college, his name would be quickly removed from the draft boards of most teams. But times have changed. Clubs are doing more work to try and identify whether a prospect's pot use falls under the experimentation heading, or is done with regularity.

"It's a matter of figuring out which ones smoke, and which ones have to smoke, because they really [are addicted],'' another head coach said. "It's like the drinking issue. You want to know if a guy drinks, or if he has a drinking problem. You're trying to find out and make that distinction with some guys.''

The reaction to a prospect's collegiate marijuana use varies from club to club, team executives and coaches said. The mentality of personnel evaluators and coaches making case-by-case decisions on players with marijuana use in their background has grown more prevalent with the league's infusion of younger coaches and general managers in recent years.

"Overall in the league there's a bit of a different generation of decision-makers and people doing the evaluating,'' one team's general manager said. "Even among those of us who didn't [smoke pot], we had some friends who did and we didn't judge them that harshly. So for some, it's a less damaging red flag for a player to have that on his record. Now, maybe [longtime Colts president] Bill Polian's perception of that is different. Maybe those players are still completely off his board. But it can be generational in that sense, yes. Definitely.''

Even among the club officials who expressed the most concern about the prevalence of prospects in this draft who have failed at least one test for marijuana in college, none said they would automatically remove any such player from their draft board.

"There are probably different shades of red to the red flag you give that player these days, different degrees of how it impacts their grade,'' one head coach said. "I know of one guy who told me he smoked with his mom. It was just something they did together. You have to find out something about the specifics and see if it was a habit, and or if it was experimenting in college. For one thing, it could be a case of colleges testing more, and having better tests. It may not be that use is up, but detection is up.''

Some players suspected of marijuana use in college in recent years, Philadelphia receiver DeSean Jackson and Minnesota receiver-return man Percy Harvin most notably, have been two of the top offensive players in the draft the past two years. Their early success in the NFL has possibly led some teams to take a more lenient approach to drafting talented players who are suspected of collegiate marijuana use, one team front office executive said.

"If you passed on Jackson and you passed on Harvin the past two years, maybe you can't afford to just completely write off that kind of prospect every time, or you won't have a job at some point because you won't win any games,'' one team front office executive said. "But you don't want to take guys and see them be in the [league's drug] program the whole time, because they may never get out of it. You want to determine if it's in their environment and if they're bringing that environment with them [to the NFL]?''

One team's head coach said organizations are doing more and more extensive background checks on draft prospects every year to find out as much information as possible about the practices of their potential employees.

"You have to, because some guys aren't telling you the whole truth about their habits and things that have happened while they're in college,'' the head coach said. "It depends on the team's individual approach, but you can get in trouble if you're just overlooking everything when it comes to that kind of history in their background.''

Another NFL general manager interviewed this week said he has a discussion with his team's owner every time the club is even considering a player who has a red flag on their record for marijuana use in college. And you can't have too many of those talks on a year-in, year-out basis, he said.

"That's a topic of conversation for a lot of GMs with their owners,'' the general manager said. "You have a number of prospects who are quality people, but who might have [screwed] up early on in college. As long as it's not a habitual thing, there's more of a discussion about those players, rather than just jettisoning them off your board. Which is what a lot of teams have done in the past. But I think we're all a little more realistic these days.

"I've gone and scouted players at colleges and their coaches really talk them up, but then they add that 'He has this in his background.' It's definitely something we're going to have to get to the bottom of, but what are you going to do? If the kid has one thing in his past, are you going to throw away a third of your board? That's the reality of the situation we face.''

Ebolapox
03-24-2010, 12:56 PM
just freaking legalize it already.

there, off to DC.

The Franchise
03-24-2010, 12:57 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb with this prediction.


One of them is Dez Bryant.

L.A. Chieffan
03-24-2010, 12:59 PM
just freaking legalize it already.

there, off to DC.

suspensions would decrease by bout 97%
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DeezNutz
03-24-2010, 01:00 PM
Oh noez!

Ebolapox
03-24-2010, 01:01 PM
hmmmmm. who else would I guess...

yeah, dez bryant is a good pick. I could see carlos dunlap (I'd think that one is obvious), MAYBE jimmy clausen (seems the type to do weed to me), anthony davis, jason-pierre paul. those are some of my guesses.

Fish
03-24-2010, 01:01 PM
Terrance Cody can roll a blunt like no other......

Ebolapox
03-24-2010, 01:02 PM
and I see this as a non-issue. who cares? as long as they're productive on the field and not abusing women and/or babies or smoking crack, I could care less.

DeezNutz
03-24-2010, 01:03 PM
Dude, you have no idea how dangerous marijuana is and how harmful it can be on your body. /slowing sipping Maker's.

Hammock Parties
03-24-2010, 01:04 PM
and I see this as a non-issue. who cares? as long as they're productive on the field and not abusing women and/or babies or smoking crack, I could care less.

It's more of an issue than you think. Not everyone who smokes weed does so responsibly.

A lot of these guys are irresponsible young men. What happens if a guy tokes up Saturday night before a game and is still high in the morning? What if he gets pulled over on the way to the game and the officer sees he's still high? Even if he doesn't, how well do you think you can play football high?

Now ask yourself why Dwayne Bowe keeps dropping passes.........

:evil:

Ebolapox
03-24-2010, 01:05 PM
smoking tobacco is harmful on your body. sure, blunts generally don't have a filter. fuggin' legalize it, put a filter on that shit and tax the hell out of it. no more or less harmful than legalized smoking.

RustShack
03-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Tebow smokes it, hes found Jesus.

Tylerthigpen!1!
03-24-2010, 01:05 PM
Ryan Mallet enjoys the ganja. He's also a douchebag.

L.A. Chieffan
03-24-2010, 01:06 PM
that one pirates pitcher threw a nohitter trippin balls on acid
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Mile High Mania
03-24-2010, 01:09 PM
I'm honestly not too overly concerned with the casual use of the weed... a very large number of perceived 'good kids' that turn out to be just fine in life have participated in a bit of recreational marijuana use.

Now, if they're die hard pot heads... yes, throw the red flag.

Pants
03-24-2010, 01:09 PM
What happens if a guy tokes up Saturday night before a game and is still high in the morning?



You have no idea what you're talking about.

RustShack
03-24-2010, 01:13 PM
It's more of an issue than you think. Not everyone who smokes weed does so responsibly.

A lot of these guys are irresponsible young men. What happens if a guy tokes up Saturday night before a game and is still high in the morning? What if he gets pulled over on the way to the game and the officer sees he's still high? Even if he doesn't, how well do you think you can play football high?

Now ask yourself why Dwayne Bowe keeps dropping passes.........

:evil:

Have you ever smoked weed?

You can't get arrested for being high unless they find the weed on you.

Hammock Parties
03-24-2010, 01:13 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you telling me it's not possible to smoke a bowl at 2 AM and be high a few hours later?

Hammock Parties
03-24-2010, 01:15 PM
Have you ever smoked weed?

You can't get arrested for being high unless they find the weed on you.

No. Really, you have to be in possession? Well shit.

Pants
03-24-2010, 01:15 PM
Are you telling me it's not possible to smoke a bowl at 2 AM and be high a few hours later?

That is correct. Especially if you go to sleep and wake up. The bigger issue would be a player getting 2 hours of sleep before gameday.

Brock
03-24-2010, 01:15 PM
Are you telling me it's not possible to smoke a bowl at 2 AM and be high a few hours later?

Stick to what you know, loneliness, whacking off, and care of saggy sharpei skin.

Basileus777
03-24-2010, 01:17 PM
Meh. What percentage of active NFL players do you think smoke? I'd wager it's a fairly high number.

Pants
03-24-2010, 01:18 PM
Meh. What percentage of active NFL players do you think smoke? I'd wager it's a fairly high number.

I'd venture to guess at least 85% of them have tried it.

Skyy God
03-24-2010, 01:19 PM
that one pirates pitcher threw a nohitter trippin balls on acid
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RustShack
03-24-2010, 01:19 PM
Even if a player smokes weed the night before, him relaxing himself isn't going to kill his play... its not like it cancels out practice all week.

Molitoth
03-24-2010, 01:22 PM
just freaking legalize it already.


this.

Ralphy Boy
03-24-2010, 01:24 PM
If there were just 10, my guess would be:
Spiller
Bryant
Haden
Mays
Griffen
Dunlap
JPP
Cody
Earl Thomas

Guys I'd be shocked if they had:
Tebow
McClain
Berry
Clausen
Bradford
Morgan

Hammock Parties
03-24-2010, 01:25 PM
If there were just 10, my guess would be:
Spiller
Bryant
Haden
Mays
Griffen
Dunlap
JPP
Cody
Earl Thomas

Guys I'd be shocked if they had:
Tebow
McClain
Berry
Clausen
Bradford
Morgan

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OnTheWarpath15
03-24-2010, 01:27 PM
Meh. What percentage of active NFL players do you think smoke? I'd wager it's a fairly high number.

If it's as high as you think it is, there are a shit-ton of guys beating regular drug testing.

Personally, I don't have an issue with casual use.

My issue is that you have to be a dumbass of epic proportions to be smoking before the combine, when you KNOW you're going to be tested.

That tells me either:

a) You're fucking retarded

b) You're really fucking retarded because you just cost yourself some serious cash over fucking weed.

AustinChief
03-24-2010, 01:28 PM
Have you ever smoked weed?

You can't get arrested for being high unless they find the weed on you.

Actually no.

It rarely happens but you can get arrested for PI or DUI while being high and if they want to be complete dicks they can request a blood/urine test and technically get you on possession even though it is in your blood stream.

Again, it almost never goes down like that though.

DeezNutz
03-24-2010, 01:29 PM
College players whom I believe do or have smoked weed: almost all of them

Players I'd be shocked to find out they smoked: none of them.

R&GHomer
03-24-2010, 01:29 PM
just freaking legalize it already.

there, off to DC.

This! For fucks sake just be done with it already

Hog's Gone Fishin
03-24-2010, 01:30 PM
Maybe it will help us land the next Warren Sapp.

Rooster
03-24-2010, 01:33 PM
What happens if a guy tokes up Saturday night before a game and is still high in the morning?

Holy shit... That must be some good mother fuckin weed. :bong:

salame
03-24-2010, 01:34 PM
of course harvin uses weed he has migraines
if he lived in cali he could get a prescription for it from his doc specifically for his migraines

Fish
03-24-2010, 01:36 PM
One of the big reasons that pot isn't legal already is because it's so hard to measure in the body. Unless considerable(expensive) testing is done, they can't determine how much or when you smoked pot. It's too difficult for them to legally determine that a person was under the influence of THC while driving. It's usually rather obvious, but red eyes and giggling like a dumbass isn't enough for legal proof.

That's a serious hangup for legalizing it the same way as alcohol.

Basileus777
03-24-2010, 01:51 PM
If it's as high as you think it is, there are a shit-ton of guys beating regular drug testing.

They have the same testing in the NBA, and it's no secret that a ton of NBA players smoke weed, far more than those that have tested positive.

Mecca
03-24-2010, 02:09 PM
College guys smoke weed, you're kidding me.

And there's also a good chance that they passed the drug test but admitted they have smoked weed before, like say Calvin Johnson did.

Also for that post up there, I highly doubt Taylor Mays smokes weed, Griffen however I buy that one.

GoHuge
03-24-2010, 02:30 PM
I say legalize, tax, amd regulate it. I mean tax the fuck out of it. Wanna be able to walk into the store and buy the crazy shit legally?? Gotta pay.

Btw alcohol is much more dangerous in society than pot. How many people smoking pot run out at 2 AM and take off in a car to head home? None......they aint doing shit....Alcohol?......every Friday and Saturday night. The people I know aint doing shit after they smoke. I've never liked it, but that stupid fuckin opinion people have that it causes this and that and rat ta tat tat is just bullshit. It makes you giggle and crave cookie dough ice cream. About as dangerous as it gets. "Well alcohol is legal and pots not!!" Another dumb arguement.

Demonpenz
03-24-2010, 03:17 PM
i bet they all abuse alcohol

CoMoChief
03-24-2010, 03:24 PM
Terrance Cody can roll a blunt like no other......

I bet he can eat a SHIT TON when he's high.

MahiMike
03-24-2010, 03:32 PM
"One NFL head coach told me this week that in this era of some states decriminalizing marijuana for medicinal purposes, he has interviewed potential draft picks who didn't even seem to recognize their marijuana smoking constituted drug use in the eyes of the NFL"

Sadly, this is the level of intelligence we're dealing with here.:spock:

brorth
03-24-2010, 03:33 PM
If it's as high as you think it is, there are a shit-ton of guys beating regular drug testing.

http://www.gnc.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=3593189

It's not that hard, you can get cleansers at the same place you get your protein powder.

ModSocks
03-24-2010, 03:34 PM
Pfff.......They all smoked bud in college. I doubt that many teams, if any, care.

KC native
03-24-2010, 04:16 PM
JFC why is this still an issue in 2010? I have smoked with dozens of division 1 athletes when I was at TCU. The NCAA drug testing is a joke. Most teams have a team testing regimen in addition to the NCAA's. The players almost always know when they are getting an NCAA test and when they are getting a team test. If you piss positive for the team test almost nothing happens (provided it isn't an every week thing) and they figure out ways to hide you from the NCAA tests.

LaChapelle
03-24-2010, 04:51 PM
When do they start testing the coaches
20 hour days and can pass a piss test
I don't think so

boogblaster
03-24-2010, 06:18 PM
Mary Jane said a Super Bowl quarterback put his lips on her blunt-end ....

BossChief
03-24-2010, 07:06 PM
genesis 1:12