BREAKING NEWS!!! CLAUSEN WILL BE A CHIEF! (Source: CHARLIE FREAKING WEIS!!!)

[rtuimauga]

Long time member, even longer time lurker. Never post much as I have enough fun just reading everyone else's posts. This however I have to make mention of. Yesterday while the wife and I were at the local Best Buy (Tiffany Springs up North) A guy walks up with a notepad and interrupts a conversation I was having with the TV sales rep. I was just BSing so I tell the sales guy thanks and we proceed to walk away. As we are walking away an older guy is approaching these 2 and I hear the sales guy say "so is this him?" I turned around to take a double take and I couldn't tell or not cuz he was wearing dark sunglasses. What gave it away for me was the red and white shoes ;) It's the one and only CHARLIE WEIS!!! So I approach him and ask if he would mind taking a picture with us (at this point I realize everything he has on is Chiefs gear, just not obvious) We take the pic., I tell Charlie thanks and ask him who he likes in the draft and he says "Quarterback" and then winks!! We tell him welcome to Kansas City and leave. Take it for what you want but this is my one contribution to the Planet!

NOT SURE IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THIS BUT HERE IS THE POST WITH PIC.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=6671864&postcount=112

[Mr. Flopnuts]

First in.

[The Franchise]

JFC.....this is going to end well.

[RustShack]

Holy FUCK Yes!

[Mr. Laz]

lol ... be prepare for this to get ugly


but thanks for the post :D

[Quesadilla Joe]

BEST OFFSEASON EVAR!

[SnakeXJones]

so we are drafting Jesus?

[Discuss Thrower]

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[The Franchise]

I don't know what concerns me more......

This guy's post or the fact that Charlie Weis wears red and white shoes.

[WildTurkey]

Okay Gang........................................

[Reaper16]

Okay gang,

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Okay gang, ..........................

[kstater]

Well this seems reliable. Fire up your next e-mail BRC.

[The Franchise]

Okay gang......

[BigCatDaddy]

Pic?

[chiefsfan93]

may have just been a sale at value city on chiefs gear!:thumb:

[OnTheWarpath15]

Nice knowing you.

Not really.

[The Bad Guy]

BEST OFFSEASON EVAR!

Yes, it would be actually.

We know that Cassel would be done in a year. We would then have 2 stud coordinators and a QB for the future.

Denver has Wink Martindale, Kyle Orton and Fist Pumper.

Wait, I just saw Tamba Hali run around Ryan Clady again.

[Reaper16]

The deal is done

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

The deal is done?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

The deal is done.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

The deal is done

Dammit, beat me by a minute

[Rain Man]

Take it for what you want but this is my one contribution to the Planet!

So are you saying I should ignore your other 16 posts?

[The Franchise]

Pic?

This.

Pic or it didn't happen.

[RustShack]

Now trade Cassel to Denver for Marshal.

[teedubya]

Clausen is looking at houses in Leawood as we speak.

[The Franchise]

TO THE SHIP!

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I just read all your posts OP. There's really no reason to disbelieve you here. If we end up drafting him at 5, I'd give you credit for breaking it. But if we don't, I'm bumping this thread to bust your balls. ;)

[RustShack]

I just read all your posts OP. There's really no reason to disbelieve you here. If we end up drafting him at 5, I'd give you credit for breaking it.

Don't forget about BRC.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Don't forget about BRC.

I haven't. I'm pretty excited about drafting Clausen. What a fucking steal that would be at 5. Thank you St. Louis for having some dumbshit ownership.

[SnakeXJones]

To the choppa

[DeezNutz]

Link?

[OnTheWarpath15]

I just read all your posts OP. There's really no reason to disbelieve you here. If we end up drafting him at 5, I'd give you credit for breaking it. But if we don't, I'm bumping this thread to bust your balls. ;)

No reason to dis-believe, other than leading us to believe that Charlie Weis was in a Best Buy, dressed in all Chiefs gear, standing out, and told a fan who we were drafting in 10 days.

Oh, and he mentions a picture he didn't bother to post.

Other than that, it's pretty believable.

LMAO

[Mr. Flopnuts]

No reason to dis-believe, other than leading us to believe that Charlie Weis was in a Best Buy, dressed in all Chiefs gear, standing out, and told a fan who we were drafting in 10 days.

Oh, and me mentions a picture he didn't bother to post.

Other than that, it's pretty believable.

LMAO

You're not helping.

[Mr. Laz]

posting that pic you took would be a huge boost to the credibility of the thread

[OnTheWarpath15]

You're not helping.

ROFL

[OnTheWarpath15]

Charlie says:

http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/gallery/ktxmkg-b78578513z.120091130091332000gc3l503c.1.jpg

[Mr. Flopnuts]

http://www.michigansux.com/uploaded_images/charlie_weis2009-761424.jpg

[Sully]

It wasn't Weis.
It was John Goodman's ghost.

[RustShack]

To the choppa

get 2 ze choppa!

[RustShack]

No reason to dis-believe, other than leading us to believe that Charlie Weis was in a Best Buy, dressed in all Chiefs gear, standing out, and told a fan who we were drafting in 10 days.

Oh, and he mentions a picture he didn't bother to post.

Other than that, it's pretty believable.

LMAO

He said you couldn't notice that it was all Chiefs gear, and he didn't actually say Clausen.

[BigRedChief]

Well this seems reliable. Fire up your next e-mail BRC.I've been emailing the list since day 1 that Weis has a hard on for Clausen. That he has been pushing Clausen internally and in the NFL since he took the job.

But, its not his decision.

[teedubya]

http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads//2008/05/weisathon.jpg

[The Franchise]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4ow2Juu7nMo/STaRLFDd-2I/AAAAAAAAJ6U/x-hjCGwfOEU/s400/t1_weis.jpg

[OnTheWarpath15]

He said you couldn't notice that it was all Chiefs gear, and he didn't actually say Clausen.

You're not helping.

[The Franchise]

http://thefastertimes.com/sportschat/files/2009/12/charlie-weis-gun-450sm.jpg

[teedubya]

http://www.montaraventures.com/pix/weis_ballerina.jpg

[MoreLemonPledge]

So Weis likes Clausen? BREAKING NEWS

[Mr. Flopnuts]

You're not helping.

LMAO

[tk13]

I've been emailing the list since day 1 that Weis has a hard on for Clausen. That he has been pushing Clausen internally and in the NFL since he took the job.

But, its not his decision.

I have zero inside information... but I believe it. As much as people are skeptical, this whole Clausen thing is different than anything we've seen. This isn't some college coach talking up somebody to his NFL buddies, or a GM who happened to find a guy like Cassel and fell in love with him... this is THE guy that brought Clausen in and made him what he is today.

[ClevelandBronco]

...I tell Charlie thanks and ask him who he likes in the draft and he says "Quarterback" and then winks!!...

Sounds like Colt McCoy is a Chief. :D

[RustShack]

You're not helping.

:LOL:

[The Franchise]

http://www.rivalstore.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/notre-dame-fupa.gif

[teedubya]

http://www.bobleesays.com/getfile/bce71f4e-f9fd-4de0-a358-ffba1b5d3efd/mangino__main.aspx

WOW. Never seen this.

[Mr. Laz]

so this rtuimauga (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/member.php?u=7903) is a Flopnut multi?

[The Franchise]

http://members.optusnet.com.au/yeseron/Thread%20pics/this_thread_rocks.jpg

[BigRedChief]

I have zero inside information... but I believe it. As much as people are skeptical, this whole Clausen thing is different than anything we've seen. This isn't some college coach talking up somebody to his NFL buddies, or a GM who happened to find a guy like Cassel and fell in love with him... this is THE guy that brought Clausen in and made him what he is today.If we do take Claussen it will be because Haley and Pioli deferred/took Weis's advise.

[The Bad Guy]

Hilarious that the guy is decked in all Chiefs gear, looks like the Goodyear Blimp and you didn't know who he was.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I have zero inside information... but I believe it. As much as people are skeptical, this whole Clausen thing is different than anything we've seen. This isn't some college coach talking up somebody to his NFL buddies, or a GM who happened to find a guy like Cassel and fell in love with him... this is THE guy that brought Clausen in and made him what he is today.

Oh, I absolutely believe that Charlie is dancing on the table begging Pioli to draft the kid.

It actually happening is hard to believe.

[Mr. Laz]

If we do take Claussen it will be because Haley and Pioli deferred/took Weis's advise.
yep ... Weis will have to jump up on the table and say "i can win a superbowl with this guy"

and i still think the Chiefs try and trade down with cleveland first

[Hammock Parties]

He didn't mention Clausen by name.

Conclusion:

http://i.imgur.com/jgV9L.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

[MoreLemonPledge]

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[OnTheWarpath15]

He didn't mention Clausen by name.

Conclusion:

http://i.imgur.com/jgV9L.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

I wish I had the power to ban you for that.

LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

I wish I had the power to ban you for that.

LMAO

Well I hear the Chiefs had a private workout with Tebow.

No reason to dis-believe.

[ModSocks]

Uh.....has anyone seen Clausen shopping in KC for a house yet?

Thanks for news noob. you better not be lying of an infinite amount of Bad juju will be delivered to you courtesy of ChiefsPlanet.

[DaneMcCloud]

Eh, whatever.

If the guy is telling the truth, he'll have a helluva story (and picture) if the Chiefs take Clausen.

[DTLB58]

He didn't mention Clausen by name.

Conclusion:

http://i.imgur.com/jgV9L.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

:Lin:

[DTLB58]

Long time member, even long time lurker. Never post much as I have enough fun just reading everyone else's posts. This however I have to make mention of. Yesterday while the wife and I were at the local Best Buy (Tiffany Springs up North) A guy walks up with a notepad and interrupts a conversation I was having with the TV sales rep. I was just BSing so I tell the sales guy thanks and we proceed to walk away. As we are walking away an older guy is approaching these 2 and I hear the sales guy say "so is this him?" I turned around to take a double take and I couldn't tell or not cuz he was wearing dark sunglasses. What gave it away for me was the red and white shoes ;) It's the one and only CHARLIE WEIS!!! So I approach him and ask if he would mind taking a picture with us (at this point I realize everything he has on is Chiefs gear, just not obvious) We take the pic., I tell Charlie thanks and ask him who he likes in the draft and he says "Quarterback" and then winks!! We tell him welcome to Kansas City and leave. Take it for what you want but this is my one contribution to the Planet!

:popcorn:

[RustShack]

If Pioli and Co actually to like Cassel a lot, they have to love Tebow.

[Tbone8801]

I really don't think charlie is dumb enough to show his hand a week from the draft, even if it is just a fan asking. He was with belicheck to many years where the it was so secretive, nothing ever leaked out of New England.

[CoMoChief]

It wasn't Weis.
It was John Goodman's ghost.

May he RIP...

[The Franchise]

I really don't think charlie is dumb enough to show his hand a week from the draft, even if it is just a fan asking. He was with belicheck to many years where the it was so secretive, nothing ever leaked out of New England.

:facepalm:

[Farzin]

Pic?


Pic or it didn't happen.

posting that pic you took would be a huge boost to the credibility of the thread


If he really took a photo with Weis after sharing this story, you'd think he would at least upload the photo..

[kstater]

I really don't think charlie is dumb enough to show his hand a week from the draft, even if it is just a fan asking. He was with belicheck to many years where the it was so secretive, nothing ever leaked out of New England.

You're a quick one you know.

[bevischief]

Uh.....has anyone seen Clausen shopping in KC for a house yet?

Thanks for news noob. you better not be lying of an infinite amount of Bad juju will be delivered to you courtesy of ChiefsPlanet.

My wifes best friends say's she him looking at houses in Leawood...

[Johnny Vegas]

maybe he doesn't have a clue how?

first he should send his pic he took to his email then upload it to CP. Its that simple rtuimauga. wtf does that even mean? rtuimauga?

[BossChief]

I wanna see this pic

[Coogs]

Oh, I absolutely believe that Charlie is dancing on the table begging Pioli to draft the kid.

It actually happening is hard to believe.

I agree. And I know I have brought this up several times, but this is all Weis could muster up after nearly a full month on the job.

First, Weis right after being hired...

Q: How much do you know about the offensive players here in Kansas City?

WEIS: “I have been able to for the last month watch games by T.V. copy which is obviously a little different than coach’s copy. It has been interesting to watch the offense through the month of December and early January. Come Monday, I should have plenty of time to watch the whole season in its entirety and give personnel breakdowns. I think that at this time, I would be a little ignorant to sit here and say that I have a great feel for every player on the team. I think that wouldn’t be the way to do my self-diligence.”


And Weis nearly a full month later...

Q: I know what you said about him when you first got here, but what do you like about QB Matt Cassel?

WEIS: “He’s on our team and we’ve got him, that’s what I like about him. Anyone who is on our team, I like. If they’re on our roster, you’ve got to like them all the same. It doesn’t make a difference whether it’s the starting QB or your sixth wide receiver, you’ve got to find what you can do to make those guys better and right now, that’s our number one goal.”

[LaChapelle]

What the sam hell is going down here

[Hammock Parties]

Tebow is a better prospect than Brady was coming out.

http://i.imgur.com/2GRPe.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

http://i.imgur.com/yaKnH.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

[Reaper16]

I agree. And I know I have brought this up several times, but this is all Weis could muster up after nearly a full month on the job.

First, Weis right after being hired...



And Weis nearly a full month later...
LMAO I know how Weis would vote in the "Do you like Cassel?" thread.

[KCrockaholic]

PIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW MUTHER ****ER!!!!!!!!! Nah, J/K. But please post the pic or this is BS

[Jethopper]

Tebow is a better prospect than Brady was coming out.

http://i.imgur.com/2GRPe.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

http://i.imgur.com/yaKnH.jpg (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)

HAHAHA! Brady could throw more than 50 yards down field.

[Jethopper]

Somebody take this thread out back and shoot it...

[Mr. Laz]

If he really took a photo with Weis after sharing this story, you'd think he would at least upload the photo..
you know ... if he has a picture of charlie weis in Best Buy dressed the way he described then i might just believe him. But me thinks he spent all his time thinking up the story and forgot the matching photo part.

[Coogs]

LMAO I know how Weis would vote in the "Do you like Cassel?" thread.

Me too. I am not sure we will come away with Clausen. However, I am pretty convinced Weis in not enamored with Cassel.

[Tribal Warfare]

Yep

[KCrockaholic]

Romeo Crennel told me at Pizza street we are going to draft Eric BERRY

[the Talking Can]

OK AIDS Gang,

[Hammock Parties]

Romeo Crennel told me at Pizza street we are going to draft Eric BERRY

You're making that up. Crennel splits his time between Arrowhead and Gates.

[Coogs]

One can only wonder what Weis must have thought the first time he watched the 26 yard hail mary against the Browns. LMAO

[Sully]

I really don't think charlie is dumb enough to show his hand a week from the draft, even if it is just a fan asking. He was with belicheck to many years where the it was so secretive, nothing ever leaked out of New England.

If he said that, he's not necessarily tipping anything. Just saying the QB he recruited and was tight with for four years is someone he likes in the draft.

[Tribal Warfare]

Don't forget about BRC.

huh hrmm, don't you mean "the friend of ours" who wants to stay anonymous?

[Pushead2]

biggest let down ever....

[LaChapelle]

Weis doesn't use the store's motorized cart
BULL SHIT ALERT

[Pushead2]

5th Pick = P - John Goodman - University of Bullshit Land

thanks for confirming...

[the Talking Can]

Gunther was in a Radio Shack dressed like a Clown and told me he was going out back to suck off a Payless Shoes salesman for some crack and the cheat codes to Street Fighter 4.

[Pushead2]

Gunther was in a Radio Shack dressed like a Clown and told me he was going out back to suck off a Payless Shoes salesman for some crack and the cheat codes to Street Fighter 4.

ROFL

[Epic Fail 007]

u bs`in or 4 real?

[crazycoffey]

I just read all your posts OP. There's really no reason to disbelieve you here. If we end up drafting him at 5, I'd give you credit for breaking it. But if we don't, I'm bumping this thread to bust your balls. ;)

LMAO

[TRR]

I think I am now of the opinion that if they take Clausen at #5, they might as well start him from day 1. Trash the Cassel experiment, and hand the reigns to Clausen.

A QB at #5 should start right away. Especially a QB that is supposedly as NFL ready as Clausen.
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[Brock]

I think I am now of the opinion that if they take Clausen at #5, they might as well start him from day 1. Trash the Cassel experiment, and hand the reigns to Clausen.

A QB at #5 should start right away. Especially a QB that is supposedly as NFL ready as Clausen.
Posted via Mobile Device

If that's who Charlie wants, I think I'll disregard your opinion on how to handle it.

[Reaper16]

I think I am now of the opinion that if they take Clausen at #5, they might as well start him from day 1. Trash the Cassel experiment, and hand the reigns to Clausen.

A QB at #5 should start right away. Especially a QB that is supposedly as NFL ready as Clausen.
Posted via Mobile Device
There is no need for that.

[Mr. Laz]

I think I am now of the opinion that if they take Clausen at #5, they might as well start him from day 1. Trash the Cassel experiment, and hand the reigns to Clausen.

A QB at #5 should start right away. Especially a QB that is supposedly as NFL ready as Clausen.
Posted via Mobile Device
people have gone completely off the deep end on this Cassel hate. It's like some kind of mob mentality. It's silly.

[crazycoffey]

I think I am now of the opinion that if they take Clausen at #5, they might as well start him from day 1. Trash the Cassel experiment, and hand the reigns to Clausen.

A QB at #5 should start right away. Especially a QB that is supposedly as NFL ready as Clausen.
Posted via Mobile Device


maybe, maybe not. case can be made to ease him in and not get him killed right away too.....

[MoreLemonPledge]

people have gone completely off the deep end on this Cassel hate. It's like some kind of mob mentality. It's silly.

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/images/simpsons-mob-torches.jpg

[Brock]

people have gone completely off the deep end on this Cassel hate. It's like some kind of mob mentality. It's silly.

I don't hate the guy, I just realize he's a transition guy and they need to get someone to transition to.

[bevischief]

They traded the whole draft to get Thingpin back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coogs]

people have gone completely off the deep end on this Cassel hate. It's like some kind of mob mentality. It's silly.

I can not speak for the rest of the mob. I just expected to see more than we saw last year. We saw maybe 2 or 3 flashes at most on the season. Late against Pittsburgh and Dallas, and not a lot more than that off the top of my head. I didn't expect to see the second comming of Joe Montana, but I did expect to see quite a bit more than what was delivered.

[the Talking Can]

people have gone completely off the deep end on this Cassel hate. It's like some kind of mob mentality. It's silly.

you're right....3 decades + with QBs who can't take us to the Superbowl is waaaaaaaaaaaay to little time to express impatience....


we should continue to ignore the one thing most likely to give you a real chance: drafting a QB in the first round.....

I, for one, plan to wait another 30 years before complaining.


Meanwhile, I'll watch you pretend that you believe Cassel is The One.

[DeezNutz]

I think I am now of the opinion that if they take Clausen at #5, they might as well start him from day 1. Trash the Cassel experiment, and hand the reigns to Clausen.

A QB at #5 should start right away. Especially a QB that is supposedly as NFL ready as Clausen.
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This sounds like a terrible plan.

[rtuimauga]

If he really took a photo with Weis after sharing this story, you'd think he would at least upload the photo..

I wanna see this pic

PIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW MUTHER ****ER!!!!!!!!! Nah, J/K. But please post the pic or this is BS

you know ... if he has a picture of charlie weis in Best Buy dressed the way he described then i might just believe him. But me thinks he spent all his time thinking up the story and forgot the matching photo part.

YOU GUYS CAN BE BRUTAL!!! Give a brother a break! I am learning that posting this kind of stuff can be Hazardous to my health so I have taken myself out of the pic. For all you nay sayers.........WHAT NOW? Cassel who?
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The Chiefs logos are same color as the clothes so they blend in and cannot see unless really close. iphone pic so not the best but can you see the shoes?

[Terribilis]

nice work

[Mr. Laz]

you're right....3 decades + with QBs who can't take us to the Superbowl is waaaaaaaaaaaay to little time to express impatience....

we should continue to ignore the one thing most likely to give you a real chance: drafting a QB in the first round.....

I, for one, plan to wait another 30 years before complaining.


Meanwhile, I'll watch you pretend that you believe Cassel is The One.
again you are making shit up and talking out your ass.

i have never said Cassel is the One

everyone blaming cassel for KC's pass QB's is gawd dam retarded

declaring Cassel ANYTHING after one year on a team as crappy as ours was is moronic.



If they draft Clausen, it's all good but if not i'm not going to freak out start bleeding all over the place like you.


one word for you: Tampax

[Reaper16]

Welp, I'm convinced.

[Mr. Laz]

YOU GUYS CAN BE BRUTAL!!! Give a brother a break! I am learning that posting this kind of stuff can be Hazardous to my health so I have taken myself out of the pic. For all you nay sayers.........WHAT NOW? Cassell who?
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/weiss.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/?action=view&current=weiss.jpg)

The Chiefs logos are same color as the clothes so they blend in and cannot see unless really close. iphone pic so not the best but can you see the shoes?
well done ... thanks for the post


rep and exciting information.

[DeezNutz]

Or you could have claimed that Cassel was a piece of shit before the trade happened and have been right.

[Terribilis]

now it begins

[DeezNutz]

And we have a visual. LMAO.

[BossChief]

ya know what is crazy?

this might be about the only fan base in all the NFL that could have a 4-12 team, that has won 10 games in 3 years and a pick that gives them a chance to draft a top talent quarterback that already has three years playing experience under our current "guru" OC....and the pick would likely be boo'd.

Its crazy.

[evolve27]

PRINT 'EM!!! Clausen or Berry and I'll be a happy man. Mark Castle is still shit.

[Coogs]

ya know what is crazy?

this might be about the only fan base in all the NFL that could have a 4-12 team, that has won 10 games in 3 years and a pick that gives them a chance to draft a top talent quarterback that already has three years playing experience under our current "guru" OC....and the pick would likely be boo'd.

Its crazy.

He's no Brian Bulaga. ;)

[DeezNutz]

ya know what is crazy?

this might be about the only fan base in all the NFL that could have a 4-12 team, that has won 10 games in 3 years and a pick that gives them a chance to draft a top talent quarterback that already has three years playing experience under our current "guru" OC....and the pick would likely be boo'd.

Its crazy.

"Crazy" as in "fucking stupid."

[Micjones]

YOU GUYS CAN BE BRUTAL!!! Give a brother a break! I am learning that posting this kind of stuff can be Hazardous to my health so I have taken myself out of the pic. For all you nay sayers.........WHAT NOW? Cassel who?
<a href="http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/?action=view&current=weiss.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/weiss.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The Chiefs logos are same color as the clothes so they blend in and cannot see unless really close. iphone pic so not the best but can you see the shoes?

Now kindly... Tell them all to kiss your ass.
:D

[MoreLemonPledge]

we should continue to ignore the one thing most likely to give you a real chance: drafting a QB in the first round.....

How's that working out for Houston, San Francisco, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Oakland, Chicago, Buffalo, Washington, and probably Arizona (post-Warner), Tennessee, Detroit, and Tampa Bay?

[evolve27]

He's no Brian Bulaga. ;)

:eek:

[BigRedChief]

YOU GUYS CAN BE BRUTAL!!! Give a brother a break! I am learning that posting this kind of stuff can be Hazardous to my health so I have taken myself out of the pic. For all you nay sayers.........WHAT NOW? Cassel who?
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/weiss.jpg (http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/?action=view&current=weiss.jpg)

The Chiefs logos are same color as the clothes so they blend in and cannot see unless really close. iphone pic so not the best but can you see the shoes?Dude, posting "inside" info is a dangerous thing to do here. Especially n00bs. Just roll with it. You have to have a thick skin to hang here. Consider it on the job training.;)

[MoreLemonPledge]

YOU GUYS CAN BE BRUTAL!!! Give a brother a break! I am learning that posting this kind of stuff can be Hazardous to my health so I have taken myself out of the pic. For all you nay sayers.........WHAT NOW? Cassel who?
<a href="http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/?action=view&current=weiss.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/weiss.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The Chiefs logos are same color as the clothes so they blend in and cannot see unless really close. iphone pic so not the best but can you see the shoes?

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Coogs]

Now kindly... Tell them all to kiss your ass.
:D

:clap:

[BossChief]

I KNOW Im getting my hopes up for this to happen and KNOW its not going to, but its fun to dream.

[Archie F. Swin]

okay gang...fucking print them...I'm buying a boat....HOCK!!!!!....Clint in Wichita is teh ghey....ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Farzin]

A television box in the background along with one on display. Believable. Rep and thanks for the info. Lucky that you got to meet him!

[Johnny Vegas]

I would...


edit: now just keep this info within CP. We don't need other teams ****in this up...

[MahiMike]

http://www.michigansux.com/uploaded_images/charlie_weis2009-761424.jpg

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Terribilis]

This is a hoax, that is not a Best Buy... That's a Circuit City!

[BossChief]

I would...

...the...

[Johnny Vegas]

Is he thinner in person?

[Ebolapox]

He's no Brian Bulaga. ;)

nor is he a brYan baluga.

[Coogs]

nor is he a brYan baluga.

Him either! :thumb:

[Mr. Laz]

I would...


edit: now just keep this info within CP. We don't need other teams ****in this up...this

in fact, we need a mod to delete this thread before shit goes nuts on the internet.

[Titty Meat]

I saw Charlies wife at a donkey show and I asked who she liked in the draft. She brushed the cum off her lips smiled and said " quarterback"

[FD]

I tell Charlie thanks and ask him who he likes in the draft and he says "Quarterback" and then winks!!

Of course he likes Clausen, that doesn't really tell us anything. The question wasn't who are the Chiefs going to draft, just who he likes.

Anyway, thats cool you got to meet him and thanks for posting the info. I just don't think much should be read into it.

[Johnny Vegas]

I saw Charlies wife at a donkey show and I asked who she liked in the draft. She brushed the cum off her lips smiled and said " quarterback"

LMAO

[MoreLemonPledge]

I think the important thing is that he actually stopped to take a picture with a fan and talk for a minute. Would Haley ever do that?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Cool. Nice work, dude.

[the Talking Can]

How's that working out for Houston, San Francisco, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Oakland, Chicago, Buffalo, Washington, and probably Arizona (post-Warner), Tennessee, Detroit, and Tampa Bay?

oh no! it's risky!



at least they tried.....we're content to just lose and never have a chance.


strange ****ing fanbase we have here


personally, I'd rather try....seems to be the point of competition

imagine if San Diego passed on Rivers after Leaf....which, according to you, they should have...or if Baltimore passed on Flacco because of Boller...or if Atlanta passed on Ryan because of Vick....

but, according to you, we can't ever pick a QB because we screwed up with Blackledge 25+ years ago....


think about it...25+ ****ing years and Chiefs fans would still prefer to have no chance at all, rather than take a risk and maybe score a franchise QB

how ****ing ****ed up is this loser ass fanbase? and this complete joke of a farce of a "franchise?"

[DeezNutz]

How's that working out for Houston, San Francisco, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Oakland, Chicago, Buffalo, Washington, and probably Arizona (post-Warner), Tennessee, Detroit, and Tampa Bay?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

[notorious]

Fuck.


Now I have hope again.



The meltdown on Draft day will be EPIC.

[Johnny Vegas]

I think the important thing is that he actually stopped to take a picture with a fan and talk for a minute. Would Haley ever do that?

I think Haley would. Didn't he do something over Christmas, but did something more than take a picture?

[Mr. Laz]

oh no! it's risky!
at least they tried.....we're content to just lose and never have a chance.
strange ****ing fanbase we have here
personally, I'd rather try....seems to be the point of competition
imagine if San Diego passed on Rivers after Leaf....which, according to you, they should have...or if Baltimore passed on Flacco because of Boller...or if Atlanta passed on Ryan because of Vick....
but, according to you, we can't ever pick a QB because we screwed up with Blackledge 25+ years ago....
think about it...25+ ****ing years and Chiefs fans would still prefer to have no chance at all, rather than take a risk and maybe score a franchise QB
how ****ing ****ed up is this loser ass fanbase? and this complete joke of a farce of a "franchise?"
http://forums.theganggreen.com/

[DeezNutz]

http://forums.theganggreen.com/

LMAO LMAO LMAO

[Hammock Parties]

Weis is clearly positioning himself for the Chiefs' head coaching job by glad-handing the fans.

[kstater]

this

in fact, we need a mod to delete this thread before shit goes nuts on the internet.

Because it's a big secret Charlie Weiss likes Clausen? :shrug:

[the Talking Can]

http://forums.theganggreen.com/

yeah, it would suck to be good, wouldn't it...


so tell me all about how you think Cassel is The One


go in to detail...try and make someone believe it...starting with yourself


you're just another loser fan....which makes you pretty ordinary in kc

[Johnny Vegas]

Because it's a big secret Charlie Weiss likes Clausen? :shrug:

it was the WINK!!! THE WIIIIINK!!!

[MoreLemonPledge]

oh no! it's risky!



at least they tried.....we're content to just lose and never have a chance.


strange ****ing fanbase we have here


personally, I'd rather try....seems to be the point of competition

imagine if San Diego passed on Rivers after Leaf....which, according to you, they should have...or if Baltimore passed on Flacco because of Boller...or if Atlanta passed on Ryan because of Vick....

but, according to you, we can't ever pick a QB because we screwed up with Blackledge 25+ years ago....


think about it...25+ ****ing years and Chiefs fans would still prefer to have no chance at all, rather than take a risk and maybe score a franchise QB

how ****ing ****ed up is this loser ass fanbase? and this complete joke of a farce of a "franchise?"

No, but you act as if drafting a QB in the first round and winning the Super Bowl are directly correlated, when in fact they aren't.

[Bane]

this

in fact, we need a mod to delete this thread before shit goes nuts on the internet.

Too late!I'm sure Knowshit is already twattering about it.Guess I could check the Mane to see if they're laughing yet.

[Titty Meat]

Laz likes Cassel so he can bitch.

[MoreLemonPledge]

yeah, it would suck to be good, wouldn't it...


so tell me all about how you think Cassel is The One


go in to detail...try and make someone believe it...starting with yourself


you're just another loser fan....which makes you pretty ordinary in kc

You think Sanchez is good?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hamas' law: If you have "Lemon" in your username (MoreLemonPledge, LemonPie, etc.) you don't have an IQ above 50.

[Thig Lyfe]

This is the first Google image result for "Ok gang"

http://www.doomworld.com/pageofdoom/graphics/UltimateDoomPoster.jpg

[MahiMike]

ya know what is crazy?

this might be about the only fan base in all the NFL that could have a 4-12 team, that has won 10 games in 3 years and a pick that gives them a chance to draft a top talent quarterback that already has three years playing experience under our current "guru" OC....and the pick would likely be boo'd.

Its crazy.

Oh I don't think it'd be booed. I think the fans would be so stunned their mouths would fall on the floor.

[Coogs]

How's that working out for Houston, San Francisco, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Oakland, Chicago, Buffalo, Washington, and probably Arizona (post-Warner), Tennessee, Detroit, and Tampa Bay?

Not as well as Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, New York Giants, New York Jets, San Diego, Baltimore, and Green Bay. But there are a few on your list that still have potential of working out as well.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Not as well as Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, New York Giants, New York Jets, San Diego, Baltimore, and Green Bay. But there are a few on your list that still have potential of working out as well.

I listed quite a few more teams.

[DeezNutz]

Sweet. Take that piece of fucking shit picture down. TIA.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Hamas' law: If you have "Lemon" in your username (MoreLemonPledge, LemonPie, etc.) you don't have an IQ above 50.

I really love the fact that this is the only comeback either you or Dane can come up with when I present facts.

[BWillie]

Long time member, even long time lurker. Never post much as I have enough fun just reading everyone else's posts. This however I have to make mention of. Yesterday while the wife and I were at the local Best Buy (Tiffany Springs up North) A guy walks up with a notepad and interrupts a conversation I was having with the TV sales rep. I was just BSing so I tell the sales guy thanks and we proceed to walk away. As we are walking away an older guy is approaching these 2 and I hear the sales guy say "so is this him?" I turned around to take a double take and I couldn't tell or not cuz he was wearing dark sunglasses. What gave it away for me was the red and white shoes ;) It's the one and only CHARLIE WEIS!!! So I approach him and ask if he would mind taking a picture with us (at this point I realize everything he has on is Chiefs gear, just not obvious) We take the pic., I tell Charlie thanks and ask him who he likes in the draft and he says "Quarterback" and then winks!! We tell him welcome to Kansas City and leave. Take it for what you want but this is my one contribution to the Planet!


Post the pic of fatty and you

[Coogs]

I listed quite a few more teams.

And some of them still have a chance to be successful.

[MoreLemonPledge]

And some of them still have a chance to be successful.

Sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that drafting a QB in the first round and winning a Super Bowl are mutually inclusive, as many around here are led to believe.

[Red Dawg]

Fuggin bullshit! All of it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I really love the fact that this is the only comeback either you or Dane can come up with when I present facts.

I have plenty of come backs.

Here's another:

You don't present facts. You present felched, tailless, irradiated semen and claim that it's the same as a full birth fact.

[Mr. Laz]

yeah, it would suck to be good, wouldn't it...

so tell me all about how you think Cassel is The One

go in to detail...try and make someone believe it...starting with yourself

you're just another loser fan....which makes you pretty ordinary in kc
are you gawd dam inbred or something or just not wanting to listen.

I have never said Cassel is the one, you moron.

I have said that Berry and Clausen are my 1st round choice for the Chiefs.

This is about you and your cockslurping brotherhood being raging douchebags and going off the deepend about Cassel.

[MoreLemonPledge]

I have plenty of come backs.

Here's another:

You don't present facts. You present felched, tailless, irradiated semen and claim that it's the same as a full birth fact.

Such as?

[notorious]

going off the deepend about Cassel.




The words "deep" and "Cassel" should never collide in the same sentence.

[FD]

Post the pic of fatty and you

:facepalm:

[BossChief]

I literally shake my head while I read lemons posts.

[MahiMike]

So do you guys think Big Ben is worth the #5 pick then?

[MoreLemonPledge]

I literally shake my head while I read lemons posts.

Says the guy with a Clausen pic in his signature.

Is it because I don't recycle the same pessimistic drivel that the vocal minority on this board does?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Such as?

Your assumption that the book is closed on a 1st year QB as a bust when he won 2 playoff games.

Posting a list of teams who have drafted 1st round QBs and assuming that all of the ones who have will automatically have busts (because the book is also closed on Stafford and Freeman)

That's just in the last 5 posts from you.

[Mr. Laz]

The words "deep" and "Cassel" should never collide in the same sentence.heh

[Hammock Parties]

You don't present facts. You present felched, tailless, irradiated semen and claim that it's the same as a full birth fact.

This may be a top five Hamas burn.

http://i41.tinypic.com/rk28at.gif

[notorious]

heh

I know, that was a pretty shitty attempt at humor. :)

[MoreLemonPledge]

Your assumption that the book is closed on a 1st year QB as a bust when he won 2 playoff games.

Posting a list of teams who have drafted 1st round QBs and assuming that all of the ones who have will automatically have busts (because the book is also closed on Stafford and Freeman)

That's just in the last 5 posts from you.

No, I was referring to the fact that Sanchez was called "good". He was about as far from good last year as you could be. You hate Cassel so much, but his numbers were better than Sanchez's with far less talent.

The book isn't closed on Stafford and Freeman (hence why I said probably), but if you honestly believe that those teams are even sniffing a Super Bowl any time soon, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[notorious]

No, I was referring to the fact that Sanchez was called "good". He was about as far from good last year as you could be. You hate Cassel so much, but his numbers were better than Sanchez's with far less talent.

The book isn't closed on Stafford and Freeman (hence why I said probably), but if you honestly believe that those teams are even sniffing a Super Bowl any time soon, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I don't mean to pile on, but you continously avoid talking about how well Sanchez played when it counted the most:


The Playoffs.


That is all that matters to me. Gamers play best when it is on the line.

[MoreLemonPledge]

I don't mean to pile on, but you continously avoid talking about how well Sanchez played when it counted the most:


The Playoffs.


That is all that matters to me. Gamers play best when it is on the line.

He did play fairly well in playoffs. I don't doubt that. But that doesn't change the fact that his play was a complete abortion for the vast majority of the season.

[DeezNutz]

The book isn't closed on Stafford and Freeman (hence why I said probably), but if you honestly believe that those teams are even sniffing a Super Bowl any time soon, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

LMAO.

The true test of a first-round QB is whether or not he can lead his team to a SB in years 2-3.

[MoreLemonPledge]

LMAO.

The true test of a first-round QB is whether or not he can lead his team to a SB in years 2-3.

And people around here gave Cassel one year, or no time at all in some cases.

[DeezNutz]

And people around here gave Cassel one year, or no time at all in some cases.

Because he's just like a rookie. And people didn't think he fucking sucked when he was with NE.

All of these evaluations started AFTER the trade.

[notorious]

He did play fairly well in playoffs. I don't doubt that. But that doesn't change the fact that his play was a complete abortion for the vast majority of the season.

I agree with everything.



He is coming around, though. The guy gets it, and yes he is surrounded by some pretty fucking nice talent.

[OnTheWarpath15]

And people around here gave Cassel one year, or no time at all in some cases.

He's lucky he's gotten that, considering he's a 27 year old career backup.

Comparing him to a rookie Top 5 pick doesn't help your argument.

[Mr. Laz]

I don't mean to pile on, but you continously avoid talking about how well Sanchez played when it counted the most:


The Playoffs.


That is all that matters to me. Gamers play best when it is on the line.Really?

15 attempts was his best week
23 attempts the 2nd game and his numbers dropped like a rock
30 attempts in the 3rd game was probably his best game which was all about 2 big passes really.

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[RedThat]

Good thread rtuimuaga.

Thanks for sharing this info.

But, I have to agree w/ Forward Dante, I think he made a good point. You specifically asked him who he likes in the draft, and he said, "quarterback."

Now, that doesn't necessarily mean they are going to draft Clausen? He is just simply stating who he likes. With that being said, I definately think Weis has input or say on who he thinks this organization should draft. That to me seems like a definate. I can now see it as a possibility that Clausen is on the Chiefs draft boards and that they'll consider him with the #5 pick.

Just remember though, at the end of the day, the decision belongs to Pioli. We all know Weis cannot overrule Pioli since he is the main man in charge. And to be quite honest, nobody really knows what Pioli is going to do? The Chiefs pick at #5 is still a mystery imo.

[BossChief]

[QUOTE=MoreLemonPledge;6671993]Says the guy with a Clausen pic in his signature.

Is it because I don't recycle the same pessimistic drivel that the vocal minority on this board does?[/QUOTE
FTR I am probably more homer than pessimist, but I prefer to be known as a realist.

Cassel is the same garbage guy we have had to deal with for decades now.

Worse even.

Im sorry. I didnt have my head in the sand while we got by with never-was quarterbacks for over 20 years now (save Joe Montana, you know the last time we won a playoff game who was 37 when we traded for him)

Bono
Grbac
Green
Huard
Thigpen
Cassel

Looking back, wouldnt everyone of us have loved to have traded ANYTHING to get a true franchise quarterback back then?... even if it took trading a whole draft to do so?

For criss sakes man, dont you want to have a chance or do you value being the eternal underdog?

Some just don't get it.

[MoreLemonPledge]

He's lucky he's gotten that, considering he's a 27 year old career backup.

Comparing him to a rookie Top 5 pick doesn't help your argument.

What, exactly, did Sanchez prove other than the fact that he still posted horrid numbers in an offense that had the number one running game, better receivers than Cassel, and the luxury of not having a defense that forced him to play from behind more often than not?

[notorious]

Really?

15 attempts was his best week
23 attempts the 2nd game and his numbers dropped like a rock
30 attempts in the 3rd game was probably his best game which was all about 2 big passes really.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="colhead" align="right"><td align="left">WEEK</td><td align="left">OPP</td><td align="left">RESULT</td><td> CMP</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>CMP%</td> <td>LNG</td> <td>TD</td> <td>INT</td> <td>RAT</td> <td>ATT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>AVG</td> <td>TD</td> </tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">WILD</td><td align="left">@CIN</td><td align="left">W 24-14 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300109004) </td><td>12</td> <td>15</td> <td>182</td> <td>80.0</td> <td>45</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>139.4</td> <td>3</td> <td>-2</td> <td>-0.7</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">DIV</td><td align="left">@SD</td><td align="left">W 17-14 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300117024) </td><td>12</td> <td>23</td> <td>100</td> <td>52.2</td> <td>21</td> <td>1</td> <td>1</td> <td>60.1</td> <td>1</td> <td>-1</td> <td>-1.0</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">CONF</td><td align="left">@IND</td><td align="left">L 30-17 (http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=300124011) </td><td>17</td> <td>30</td> <td>257</td> <td>56.7</td> <td>80</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>93.3</td> <td>2</td> <td>1</td> <td>0.5</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>


He made plays when they needed them, similar to Rapelisburger.

What were his 3rd down stats? Goal to go Stats?

Those are the stastics that really matter along with TD's and INT's

[MoreLemonPledge]

[QUOTE=MoreLemonPledge;6671993]Says the guy with a Clausen pic in his signature.

Is it because I don't recycle the same pessimistic drivel that the vocal minority on this board does?[/QUOTE
FTR I am probably more homer than pessimist, but I prefer to be known as a realist.

Cassel is the same garbage guy we have had to deal with for decades now.

Worse even.

Im sorry. I didnt have my head in the sand while we got by with never-was quarterbacks for over 20 years now (save Joe Montana, you know the last time we won a playoff game who was 37 when we traded for him)

Bono
Grbac
Green
Huard
Thigpen
Cassel

Looking back, wouldnt everyone of us have loved to have traded ANYTHING to get a true franchise quarterback back then?... even if it took trading a whole draft to do so?

For criss sakes man, dont you want to have a chance or do you value being the eternal underdog?

Some just don't get it.

So you think Trent Green wouldn't have won a Superbowl if the Chiefs defense wasn't complete shit during his tenure? He did run the number 1 offense, you know.

[Reaper16]

What, exactly, did Sanchez prove other than the fact that he still posted horrid numbers in an offense that had the number one running game, better receivers than Cassel, and the luxury of not having a defense that forced him to play from behind more often than not?
Cassel also took many more pass attempts throughout the season.

[MoreLemonPledge]

He made plays when they needed them, similar to Rapelisburger.

What were his 3rd down stats? Goal to go Stats?

Those are the stastics that really matter along with TD's and INT's

Like his 12:20 TD:Int during the season?

[MoreLemonPledge]

Cassel also took many more pass attempts throughout the season.

Yet Sanchez still threw more picks.

[notorious]

Like his 12:20 TD:Int during the season?

Once again, playoffs. We just went over this.

He did play fairly well in playoffs. I don't doubt that. But that doesn't change the fact that his play was a complete abortion for the vast majority of the season.

I agree with everything.



He is coming around, though. The guy gets it, and yes he is surrounded by some pretty ****ing nice talent.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

YOU GUYS CAN BE BRUTAL!!! Give a brother a break! I am learning that posting this kind of stuff can be Hazardous to my health so I have taken myself out of the pic. For all you nay sayers.........WHAT NOW? Cassel who?
<a href="http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/?action=view&current=weiss.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p128/rtuimauga/weiss.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The Chiefs logos are same color as the clothes so they blend in and cannot see unless really close. iphone pic so not the best but can you see the shoes?

Welp. I was fucking with you. I admit it. But your picture does lend some credence to your claims. That's definitely in a Best Buy.

[OnTheWarpath15]

What, exactly, did Sanchez prove other than the fact that he still posted horrid numbers in an offense that had the number one running game, better receivers than Cassel, and the luxury of not having a defense that forced him to play from behind more often than not?

He proved he's a 22 year old rookie.

You act as if rookie QB's walk into the NFL and play lights-out immediately.

He has years to get better.

All Cassel's shown in 5 years is that he holds a clipboard well, can throw WR screens in the most prolific offense in recent memory, steal a huge paycheck, then proceed to throw 26 yard Hail Mary's with more hangtime than a punt.

I think Hamas gave you too much credit. There's no way your IQ is over 35.

Terri Schiavo weeps at your posts.

[DeezNutz]

44/46.

[boogblaster]

Best Buy sells Whoopers ??

[OnTheWarpath15]

44/46.

Exactly.

Man, my ignore list has doubled today.

Bunch of fucking slapdicks.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

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[notorious]

44/46.


His wasteline is MUCH larger than that.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Sanchez wasn't Matt Ryan last year, and no one is making that claim. Starting him was, to many of us, a mistake last year. However, once the playoffs started, you could tell that his game started to show signs of maturation, which is all you can expect from a rookie QB.

The most important thing in the NFL is to be able to navigate the "adjust to adjustments" phase. Great QBs have done that very well (Tom Brady). Others can't (Derek Anderson). What Sanchez showed last year is that he has the ability to grow, develop, and improve as a quarterback, and when January rolled around he played his best football.

I know nice fantasy stats would be nice, but I don't know if you could ask much more of a rookie QB in the playoffs than what he gave you. That alone, regardless of his first year on the field (which was by no means the Hindenburg you wish to claim it as) has shown that he has the ability to be a franchise quarterback.

[RustShack]

I really don't think charlie is dumb enough to show his hand a week from the draft, even if it is just a fan asking. He was with belicheck to many years where the it was so secretive, nothing ever leaked out of New England.

Even though it was leaked before the draft that we are taking Jackson last year?

[MoreLemonPledge]

He proved he's a 22 year old rookie.

You act as if rookie QB's walk into the NFL and play lights-out immediately.

He has years to get better.

All Cassel's shown in 5 years is that he holds a clipboard well, can throw WR screens in the most prolific offense in recent memory, steal a huge paycheck, then proceed to throw 26 yard Hail Mary's with more hangtime than a punt.

I think Hamas gave you too much credit. There's no way your IQ is over 35.

Terri Schiavo weeps at your posts.

We've been over the many things that Cassel had working against him. I'll be the first person to say that if he doesn't improve this coming season, he should be tossed. But I'm not willing to throw him under the bus for an awful season where everything on the Chiefs was in transition.

The point is, people compare Cassel to Sanchez, and we really only have one season to actually compare them with, and Sanchez was by far the lesser QB.

[DeezNutz]

Exactly.

Man, my ignore list has doubled today.

Bunch of ****ing slapdicks.

Might as well. Not even worth it.

Also might just start linking to the "Justification for a QB in round 1" thread (or whatever the fuck the title was).

[DeezNutz]

The point is, people compare Cassel to Sanchez, and we really only have one season to actually compare them with, and Sanchez was by far the lesser QB.

44/46.

[MoreLemonPledge]

44/46.

By what measure?

[ChiefsCountry]

Sanchez would be tied for second place in Chiefs history for playoff wins with Montana. Thats fucking sad.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Exactly.

Man, my ignore list has doubled today.

Bunch of fucking slapdicks.

It's much easier to hit ignore than it is trying to actually debate your points, isn't it?

[FAX]

Truly awesome news, Mr. rtuimauga. Thanks. But, keep in mind that this is how careers in sports reporting are made. Information like this is worth more than say ... maybe ... $99.00.

I'll look forward to your next installment; "What Haley said at Office Depot."

FAX

[MoreLemonPledge]

Sanchez would be tied for second place in Chiefs history for playoff wins with Montana. Thats fucking sad.

Sanchez wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs with the Chiefs last year.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Might as well. Not even worth it.

Also might just start linking to the "Justification for a QB in round 1" thread (or whatever the fuck the title was).

I'm just going to start copy-pasting this post of mine:

Treatise from the “Gang of 14”:
<o></o>
I see a lot of dissent from the True Fans on the board that those of us who continually express the primacy of a franchise quarterback are not adding any kind of insight or support to our opinions, merely insults. In the interests of refutation, I am going to skip any form of attack in this post in order to demonstrate to you what our argument is, and the history that we have on the board of supporting said argument with pointed, and factual examples.
<o></o>
Why do we believe in obtaining a franchise QB?<o></o>
<o></o>
It’s quite simple. It is the most important piece of a team that will successfully contend for a number of years. Look back on the last several dynasties or near-dynasties in the NFL.
<o></o>
The Steelers of the 70’s had Bradshaw
The 49ers of the 80’s and 90’s had <st1:state w:st="on"><st1>Montana</st1>l</st1:state> who then bridged seamlessly to Steve Young
The Cowboys of the 90’s had Troy Aikman
The Bills of the 90’s had Jim Kelly
The Broncos of the 80’s and 90’s had John Elway
The Patriots of this decade have Tom Brady
The Colts of this decade have Peyton Manning
The Steelers of this decade have Ben Roethlisberger
<o></o>
8 teams, all of them had franchise QBs. Most of them also had good to great defenses, but none of them didn’t have a franchise quarterback.
<o></o>
Here is why we don’t believe in defense above all else:
<o></o>
The 1980s <st1:city w:st="on"><st1></st1></st1:city><st1:city w:st="on"><st1>Chicago</st1> </st1:city>Bears
The late 80’s-early 90’s Philadelphia Eagles
The Bucs of the 1990s and 2000s
The Ravens of this decade.
<o></o><o></o>
Many people consider the 1985 Bears to be the greatest team of all time, with the greatest defense of all time. What people forget is that the 1986 Bears had a better defense, setting NFL records for fewest points allowed. What they didn’t have was the same level of consistent play from the quarterback position as these other teams did. In spite of one of the most impressively talented units of all time on either side of the ball, they were essentially a one-hit wonder.
<o></o>
The Philadelphia Eagles of the Buddy Ryan era had some of the most dominant defenders of any era. Guys like Reggie White, Jerome Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Brown), Clyde Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Simmons), Seth Joyner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Joyner), Eric Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Allen), Wes Hopkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Hopkins), and Andre Waters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Waters). They led the NFL in both passing and rushing yardage allowed in 1991, the first team to do that in 16 years, and they missed the playoffs. In fact, that team did not win a single playoff game.
<o></o>
The Bucs of the last 10 years are another great example. Although they had an amazingly talented unit, Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice (120 sacks), Ronde Barber, Derrick Brooks, Booger McFarland, and John Lynch (among others), they routinely flamed out in the playoffs. They eventually won one Super Bowl, but with that kind of talent on one unit, it’s positively criminal that they weren’t in the <st1></st1><st1><st1:country-region w:st="on">Ch.</st1:country-region></st1> Game or Super Bowl every year.
<o></o>
The 2000 Ravens had arguably the greatest or second greatest D of all time, but with only Trent Dilfer at the helm, and no other offensive weapons aside from Jamal Lewis, they flamed out quicker than Colin Farrell.
<o></o>
Now, with that being said, why do we want a franchise QB this year?<o></o>
It comes down to this: we see Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez as two of the best quarterback prospects of the last five years.
<o>
</o><st1>Stafford</st1> has an amazing physical skillset. Here is a list of reasons I posted in support of<st1>Stafford</st1> some months ago:
<o></o>


He has three years of starting experience in the SEC
2. He comes from a pro offense
3. He knows how to read a defense, and can audible into advantageous plays, recognizes the blitz
4. He's willing to get pounded and get back up
5. He's mobile
6. He has good mechanics
7. He has unbelievable arm strength
8. He's played with a very marginal OL this year with three freshmen on it, and receivers who can't get separation, so he has to make NFL throws to get them the ball, he's not lobbing a rainbow up to a WR with 5 yards of separation.
9. He's a leader and he's been under intense scrutiny since he was 16 years old.
10. He's improved every year in college, despite having less and less talent around him to work with.

<o></o>
Combine that with reports of how teams were “blown away” by his board work, as well as the natural athleticism he showed in running the 40, and I don’t know how one wouldn’t be floored by this kid.
<o></o>
Why do we want Sanchez?<o></o>
<o></o>
It’s a similar question with slightly different answers, but achieving the same result.
<o></o>


Sanchez is a leader of men. It’s that simple. He’s naturally charismatic, and he has the aura around him that all great QBs do. He owns the room when he walks in. That confidence bordering on cockiness (minus Jeff George dickheadedness) is a great asset.
He has textbook throwing mechanics
He has dancer’s feet. The importance of this really cannot be stressed enough. The only coaching that he is going to need when coming into the league is how to read and react to NFL defenses. He’s about as close to mechanically flawless as anyone since the Human Juggs Machine, Carson Palmer
He has very good arm strength (it’s not elite, but it’s more than good enough to make any throw).
He comes from a pro offense
He has four years of post high school experience. He’s worked on the scout team, he’s been a backup, he’s been a spot starter, and he’s been the man.
He had great production with a team that had good, but nowhere near elite, talent around him. This isn’t the 2004 Trojans. They aren’t anywhere near as talented.

<o></o>
Granted, both prospects have their warts. Every prospect has question marks. People employ revisionist history far too often when evaluating players after the fact.
<o></o>
What did Joe Montana or Tom Brady have that made them jump off the page to someone?
Peyton Manning was considered potentially maxed out as a prospect, a QB with little upside.
John Elway never even went to a bowl game, was he really a “winner”? He was also a very generously listed “6’3”. Look at him next to Peyton Manning and see if he’s really 6’3”, and yet the same questions are used to discount <st1>Stafford</st1> and Sanchez.
<o></o>
Many of you will beg the following question:
<o></o>
Why not defense in this draft?<o></o>
It’s quite simple:


The draft is seven rounds. We have six other picks
This draft lacks elite talent on defense at the top
Next year’s draft has two of the most ridiculously talented freaks at DE of the last decade (Carlos Dunlap and Everson Griffen), as well as better safety, LB, DT, and CB prospects across the board. It is a draft of defense
Borrowing on 3, there is a draft after this year. The 2009 Chiefs have a 0% chance of winning anything meaningful. This is a solid 3 year rebuilding process. If you want to see this team built correctly, you should look to 2011

<o></o>
Why do you hate Aaron Curry?<o></o>
<o></o>
We don’t. The fact of the matter is that Aaron Curry, for all the safety that he brings as a draft pick, and for all his physical gifts, cannot change games.
<o></o>
He has no history of rushing the passer. He expressed confidence in his ability to learn to do so, but he’s never done it. That makes him as big of a project at that job as any safety Carl ever tried to move to corner.
<o></o>
Cover backers make tackles in space and take away the 3^rd-5^th receiving options. That’s great, but it’s also like saying that middle relievers are more important than starting pitchers. Both contribute to the win, but the starter has far more chances to affect the outcome of the game.
<o></o>
Curry, for all his projections, has also never played Mike. That will also entail a position move.
<o></o>
Let’s address additional follow up questions:
<o></o>
“Why are you ‘QB or bust’ no matter who the QB?” and “Why do you want to reach for any QB?”<o></o>
<o></o>


We aren’t
We don’t.

<o></o>
No one here is saying we should take Freeman at 3, or think that Rhett Bomar or Nate Davis are the kinds of guys who could carry a franchise. It’s folly.
<o></o>
“Why is the spread so bad? Look at the #s QBs put up!”<o>
</o><o></o>
The quarterback, his pedigree, and his experience are paramount. With the proliferation of the spread in college football, it will become more and more difficult in order to properly evaluate quarterbacks and how they translate to the pro game.
<o></o>
The spread works for the same reason that the option worked. There is simply not enough speed on college defenses to contain it, and defense is a chain, the weakest link causes the failure of all. Given that talent is spread so thin on college defenses, most teams have to trot out fourth corners that run like NFL defensive ends. Combine that with the fact that college players don’t devote the same amount of time to film study and coaching as their pro counterparts, and college defenses run more simplistic schemes.
<o></o>
This leads to soft zone defenses with corners playing way off. WRs don’t get jammed at the line, and their free release, when combined with a quasi-prevent D, allows them to kill the opposing defenses by paper cut, or if a single tackle is missed or assignment blown, by guillotine.
<o></o>
Furthermore, college quarterbacks from the spread are running a two read system, and they do not read the defenses in front of them. Look at any spread team before the snap. Watch how the QB looks to the sideline for instructions from the offensive coaching staff on what the defense across from him is. NFL QBs need to make as many as four reads on any given passing play that isn’t a max protect situation.
<o></o>
The spread is a great equalizer for teams like <st1:state w:st="on">Missouri</st1:state> and <st1:state w:st="on"><st1>Kansas</st1> </st1:state>that don’t have elite talent but want to exploit the lack of 1-80 talent on other teams. It is not a solution to an NFL defense, where everyone is talented, and where the schemes are more exotic.
<o></o>
It faces the same fate as the Run-N-Shoot: Kill the Quarterback.
When these things are taken into account, as well as the fact that all spread quarterbacks need to learn how to take snaps from under center and proper footwork for 3,5, and 7 step drops, you have a huge learning curve that exponentially increases the bust rate for the prospect.
<o></o>
QB is the riskiest position to draft. We should draft a safer position<o></o><o></o>
Aundray Bruce, Tony Mandarich, Pac Man, Robert Gallery, Leonard Davis, Troy Williamson, Charles Rogers, Ryan Sims, Wendell Bryant, the list goes on forever<o></o>

No position is safe.
<o></o>
Why not draft Crabtree?<o></o>
<o></o>
WRs from the spread don’t run a traditional NFL route tree. He has no experience in doing so, that increases his learning curve.
<o></o>
He lacks elite speed. WRs taken in the top 10 almost universally have elite speed
<o></o>
He lacks elite size.
<o></o>
He has a cracked foot
<o></o>
College stats are not a good predictor of NFL success. Look at Ron Dayne, Rashan Salaam, Timmy Chang, Jake Barton, Manny Hazard, or Alex Van Dyke
<o></o><o></o><o></o>
“Why not just draft a QB in the middle rounds?”<o>
</o><o></o>
ChiefsCountry has compiled an impressive list of QBs who won the Super Bowl and where they were drafted.
<o></o>
So you want Thiggy as our quarterback.

How about these facts:
57% of the Super Bowls have been won by first round quarterbacks.
(Out of those quarterbacks only 3 were not top 10 picks)
40% of the Super Bowls won by top 5 picks.
21% have been won by 1st round quarterbacks that wasnt their original team (Dawson, Plunkett (2), Williams, Young, Dilfer)
16% of the Super Bowls were won by Montana and Brady
4% were Roger Staubuach's wins who would have went in the first if he wasnt going to Vietnam
14% were won by a 9th or lower (counting Warner who was Undrafted) and 4 of those wins were by Bart Starr & Roger Staubauch.
4% were won by second round quarterbacks
4% 3rd and 6th rounds picks that were not <st1><st1:state w:st="on">Montana</st1:state></st1> or Brady
0% of the Super Bowls were won by a 7th round pick<o></o><o></o>

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=129 (http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5278394&postcount=129)<o>
</o><o></o>
Additionally, this was done before this year’s Super Bowl, in which another 1^st round quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, won.
<o></o><o></o>
Moreover, Scott Wright has an extensive breakdown of the profound failure rate of 2^nd and 3^rd round quarterbacks over the last 15 years on his site, NFLDraftCountdown.
<o></o><o></o>
“All you do is insult people”<o>
</o><o></o>
Actually we don’t. We insult people a lot, but a large portion of that is born out of frustration for having the same argument ad infinitum and telling the same thing to people who don’t’ listen to what we say.
<o></o>
I realize that this list is not comprehensive. It’s merely hitting the high notes of the discussions that we have previously had. If anyone else from the Gang of 14 wants to add anything, feel free.
<o></o>
Thank you for your time,
<o></o>
HJ

[FD]

Sanchez wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs with the Chiefs last year.

Sanchez on the Chiefs last year probably would have won negative games.

That said, please draft Clausen!

[DeezNutz]

That was a high-quality post.

[crazycoffey]

I personally haven't written off cassel, I saw alot of trent green's first year as a chief with this last year. That doesn't mean MC will improve like TG did in the second. Draft the kid, if we end up with a san diego dilemma (rivers and brees) then awesome, if only one takes off good, if they both flop and we are still hoping for a QBOTF in a few years, then I'll prolly shoot someone....

[RustShack]

well done ... thanks for the post


rep and exciting information.

Good thing you took yourself out, because I would find you and have sex with you. And I'm straight.

[notorious]

Sanchez on the Chiefs last year probably would have won negative games.

That said, please draft Clausen!

Well Put.


The key is that we would have direction with the most important piece of the puzzle developing.

Would any of us trade Tyson Jackson for Sanchez today?

I would, and then some.

[DeezNutz]

I personally haven't written off cassel, I saw alot of trent green's first year as a chief with this last year. That doesn't mean MC will improve like TG did in the second. Draft the kid, if we end up with a san diego dilemma (rivers and brees) then awesome, if only one takes off good, if they both flop and we are still hoping for a QBOTF in a few years, then I'll prolly shoot someone....

Fine. But don't shoot the guy's pit.

Just go to the fucking front door, for crying out loud.

[MoreLemonPledge]

I personally haven't written off cassel, I saw alot of trent green's first year as a chief with this last year. That doesn't mean MC will improve like TG did in the second. Draft the kid, if we end up with a san diego dilemma (rivers and brees) then awesome, if only one takes off good, if they both flop and we are still hoping for a QBOTF in a few years, then I'll prolly shoot someone....

So do we give whoever we draft one single season like we did Cassel?

[OnTheWarpath15]

It's much easier to hit ignore than it is trying to actually debate your points, isn't it?

You call this a debate?

You haven't made a legitimate point yet, and ignore every legitimate point made by others.

You're a troll. Trolls get ignored.

Later.

[BossChief]

That thread is already full of win.

This one is to.

I wonder how many posts the thread would have if every Clausen thread was merged with every Sanchez thread?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

This is Weis fuking with CP...

Congrats on getting a picture with our new OC...that's about as much as this thread warrants IMO.

[crazycoffey]

I'm just going to start copy-pasting this post of mine:

HJ

Nice, never saw that one last year, still prevalent and the best argument I've seen to date for the drafting a QB stance. Not that I ever whole heartedly disagreed with that stance, but have been irritated by all the going back and forth between the two sides....

rep.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm just going to start copy-pasting this post of mine:

Treatise from the “Gang of 14”:
<o></o>
I see a lot of dissent from the True Fans on the board that those of us who continually express the primacy of a franchise quarterback are not adding any kind of insight or support to our opinions, merely insults. In the interests of refutation, I am going to skip any form of attack in this post in order to demonstrate to you what our argument is, and the history that we have on the board of supporting said argument with pointed, and factual examples.
<o></o>
Why do we believe in obtaining a franchise QB?<o></o>
<o></o>
It’s quite simple. It is the most important piece of a team that will successfully contend for a number of years. Look back on the last several dynasties or near-dynasties in the NFL.
<o></o>
The Steelers of the 70’s had Bradshaw
The 49ers of the 80’s and 90’s had <st1:state w:st="on"><st1>Montana</st1>l</st1:state> who then bridged seamlessly to Steve Young
The Cowboys of the 90’s had Troy Aikman
The Bills of the 90’s had Jim Kelly
The Broncos of the 80’s and 90’s had John Elway
The Patriots of this decade have Tom Brady
The Colts of this decade have Peyton Manning
The Steelers of this decade have Ben Roethlisberger
<o></o>
8 teams, all of them had franchise QBs. Most of them also had good to great defenses, but none of them didn’t have a franchise quarterback.
<o></o>
Here is why we don’t believe in defense above all else:
<o></o>
The 1980s <st1:city w:st="on"><st1></st1></st1:city><st1:city w:st="on"><st1>Chicago</st1> </st1:city>Bears
The late 80’s-early 90’s Philadelphia Eagles
The Bucs of the 1990s and 2000s
The Ravens of this decade.
<o></o><o></o>
Many people consider the 1985 Bears to be the greatest team of all time, with the greatest defense of all time. What people forget is that the 1986 Bears had a better defense, setting NFL records for fewest points allowed. What they didn’t have was the same level of consistent play from the quarterback position as these other teams did. In spite of one of the most impressively talented units of all time on either side of the ball, they were essentially a one-hit wonder.
<o></o>
The Philadelphia Eagles of the Buddy Ryan era had some of the most dominant defenders of any era. Guys like Reggie White, Jerome Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Brown), Clyde Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Simmons), Seth Joyner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Joyner), Eric Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Allen), Wes Hopkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Hopkins), and Andre Waters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Waters). They led the NFL in both passing and rushing yardage allowed in 1991, the first team to do that in 16 years, and they missed the playoffs. In fact, that team did not win a single playoff game.
<o></o>
The Bucs of the last 10 years are another great example. Although they had an amazingly talented unit, Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice (120 sacks), Ronde Barber, Derrick Brooks, Booger McFarland, and John Lynch (among others), they routinely flamed out in the playoffs. They eventually won one Super Bowl, but with that kind of talent on one unit, it’s positively criminal that they weren’t in the <st1></st1><st1><st1:country-region w:st="on">Ch.</st1:country-region></st1> Game or Super Bowl every year.
<o></o>
The 2000 Ravens had arguably the greatest or second greatest D of all time, but with only Trent Dilfer at the helm, and no other offensive weapons aside from Jamal Lewis, they flamed out quicker than Colin Farrell.
<o></o>
Now, with that being said, why do we want a franchise QB this year?<o></o>
It comes down to this: we see Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez as two of the best quarterback prospects of the last five years.
<o>
</o><st1>Stafford</st1> has an amazing physical skillset. Here is a list of reasons I posted in support of<st1>Stafford</st1> some months ago:
<o></o>


He has three years of starting experience in the SEC
2. He comes from a pro offense
3. He knows how to read a defense, and can audible into advantageous plays, recognizes the blitz
4. He's willing to get pounded and get back up
5. He's mobile
6. He has good mechanics
7. He has unbelievable arm strength
8. He's played with a very marginal OL this year with three freshmen on it, and receivers who can't get separation, so he has to make NFL throws to get them the ball, he's not lobbing a rainbow up to a WR with 5 yards of separation.
9. He's a leader and he's been under intense scrutiny since he was 16 years old.
10. He's improved every year in college, despite having less and less talent around him to work with.

<o></o>
Combine that with reports of how teams were “blown away” by his board work, as well as the natural athleticism he showed in running the 40, and I don’t know how one wouldn’t be floored by this kid.
<o></o>
Why do we want Sanchez?<o></o>
<o></o>
It’s a similar question with slightly different answers, but achieving the same result.
<o></o>


Sanchez is a leader of men. It’s that simple. He’s naturally charismatic, and he has the aura around him that all great QBs do. He owns the room when he walks in. That confidence bordering on cockiness (minus Jeff George dickheadedness) is a great asset.
He has textbook throwing mechanics
He has dancer’s feet. The importance of this really cannot be stressed enough. The only coaching that he is going to need when coming into the league is how to read and react to NFL defenses. He’s about as close to mechanically flawless as anyone since the Human Juggs Machine, Carson Palmer
He has very good arm strength (it’s not elite, but it’s more than good enough to make any throw).
He comes from a pro offense
He has four years of post high school experience. He’s worked on the scout team, he’s been a backup, he’s been a spot starter, and he’s been the man.
He had great production with a team that had good, but nowhere near elite, talent around him. This isn’t the 2004 Trojans. They aren’t anywhere near as talented.

<o></o>
Granted, both prospects have their warts. Every prospect has question marks. People employ revisionist history far too often when evaluating players after the fact.
<o></o>
What did Joe Montana or Tom Brady have that made them jump off the page to someone?
Peyton Manning was considered potentially maxed out as a prospect, a QB with little upside.
John Elway never even went to a bowl game, was he really a “winner”? He was also a very generously listed “6’3”. Look at him next to Peyton Manning and see if he’s really 6’3”, and yet the same questions are used to discount <st1>Stafford</st1> and Sanchez.
<o></o>
Many of you will beg the following question:
<o></o>
Why not defense in this draft?<o></o>
It’s quite simple:


The draft is seven rounds. We have six other picks
This draft lacks elite talent on defense at the top
Next year’s draft has two of the most ridiculously talented freaks at DE of the last decade (Carlos Dunlap and Everson Griffen), as well as better safety, LB, DT, and CB prospects across the board. It is a draft of defense
Borrowing on 3, there is a draft after this year. The 2009 Chiefs have a 0% chance of winning anything meaningful. This is a solid 3 year rebuilding process. If you want to see this team built correctly, you should look to 2011

<o></o>
Why do you hate Aaron Curry?<o></o>
<o></o>
We don’t. The fact of the matter is that Aaron Curry, for all the safety that he brings as a draft pick, and for all his physical gifts, cannot change games.
<o></o>
He has no history of rushing the passer. He expressed confidence in his ability to learn to do so, but he’s never done it. That makes him as big of a project at that job as any safety Carl ever tried to move to corner.
<o></o>
Cover backers make tackles in space and take away the 3^rd-5^th receiving options. That’s great, but it’s also like saying that middle relievers are more important than starting pitchers. Both contribute to the win, but the starter has far more chances to affect the outcome of the game.
<o></o>
Curry, for all his projections, has also never played Mike. That will also entail a position move.
<o></o>
Let’s address additional follow up questions:
<o></o>
“Why are you ‘QB or bust’ no matter who the QB?” and “Why do you want to reach for any QB?”<o></o>
<o></o>


We aren’t
We don’t.

<o></o>
No one here is saying we should take Freeman at 3, or think that Rhett Bomar or Nate Davis are the kinds of guys who could carry a franchise. It’s folly.
<o></o>
“Why is the spread so bad? Look at the #s QBs put up!”<o>
</o><o></o>
The quarterback, his pedigree, and his experience are paramount. With the proliferation of the spread in college football, it will become more and more difficult in order to properly evaluate quarterbacks and how they translate to the pro game.
<o></o>
The spread works for the same reason that the option worked. There is simply not enough speed on college defenses to contain it, and defense is a chain, the weakest link causes the failure of all. Given that talent is spread so thin on college defenses, most teams have to trot out fourth corners that run like NFL defensive ends. Combine that with the fact that college players don’t devote the same amount of time to film study and coaching as their pro counterparts, and college defenses run more simplistic schemes.
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This leads to soft zone defenses with corners playing way off. WRs don’t get jammed at the line, and their free release, when combined with a quasi-prevent D, allows them to kill the opposing defenses by paper cut, or if a single tackle is missed or assignment blown, by guillotine.
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Furthermore, college quarterbacks from the spread are running a two read system, and they do not read the defenses in front of them. Look at any spread team before the snap. Watch how the QB looks to the sideline for instructions from the offensive coaching staff on what the defense across from him is. NFL QBs need to make as many as four reads on any given passing play that isn’t a max protect situation.
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The spread is a great equalizer for teams like <st1:state w:st="on">Missouri</st1:state> and <st1:state w:st="on"><st1>Kansas</st1> </st1:state>that don’t have elite talent but want to exploit the lack of 1-80 talent on other teams. It is not a solution to an NFL defense, where everyone is talented, and where the schemes are more exotic.
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It faces the same fate as the Run-N-Shoot: Kill the Quarterback.
When these things are taken into account, as well as the fact that all spread quarterbacks need to learn how to take snaps from under center and proper footwork for 3,5, and 7 step drops, you have a huge learning curve that exponentially increases the bust rate for the prospect.
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QB is the riskiest position to draft. We should draft a safer position<o></o><o></o>
Aundray Bruce, Tony Mandarich, Pac Man, Robert Gallery, Leonard Davis, Troy Williamson, Charles Rogers, Ryan Sims, Wendell Bryant, the list goes on forever<o></o>

No position is safe.
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Why not draft Crabtree?<o></o>
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WRs from the spread don’t run a traditional NFL route tree. He has no experience in doing so, that increases his learning curve.
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He lacks elite speed. WRs taken in the top 10 almost universally have elite speed
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He lacks elite size.
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He has a cracked foot
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College stats are not a good predictor of NFL success. Look at Ron Dayne, Rashan Salaam, Timmy Chang, Jake Barton, Manny Hazard, or Alex Van Dyke
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“Why not just draft a QB in the middle rounds?”<o>
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ChiefsCountry has compiled an impressive list of QBs who won the Super Bowl and where they were drafted.
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So you want Thiggy as our quarterback.

How about these facts:
57% of the Super Bowls have been won by first round quarterbacks.
(Out of those quarterbacks only 3 were not top 10 picks)
40% of the Super Bowls won by top 5 picks.
21% have been won by 1st round quarterbacks that wasnt their original team (Dawson, Plunkett (2), Williams, Young, Dilfer)
16% of the Super Bowls were won by Montana and Brady
4% were Roger Staubuach's wins who would have went in the first if he wasnt going to Vietnam
14% were won by a 9th or lower (counting Warner who was Undrafted) and 4 of those wins were by Bart Starr & Roger Staubauch.
4% were won by second round quarterbacks
4% 3rd and 6th rounds picks that were not <st1><st1:state w:st="on">Montana</st1:state></st1> or Brady
0% of the Super Bowls were won by a 7th round pick<o></o><o></o>

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=129 (http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5278394&postcount=129)<o>
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Additionally, this was done before this year’s Super Bowl, in which another 1^st round quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, won.
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Moreover, Scott Wright has an extensive breakdown of the profound failure rate of 2^nd and 3^rd round quarterbacks over the last 15 years on his site, NFLDraftCountdown.
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“All you do is insult people”<o>
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Actually we don’t. We insult people a lot, but a large portion of that is born out of frustration for having the same argument ad infinitum and telling the same thing to people who don’t’ listen to what we say.
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I realize that this list is not comprehensive. It’s merely hitting the high notes of the discussions that we have previously had. If anyone else from the Gang of 14 wants to add anything, feel free.
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Thank you for your time,
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HJ

Great post, too bad most people won't read it, or ignore the mountain of evidence in it.

[MoreLemonPledge]

You call this a debate?

You haven't made a legitimate point yet, and ignore every legitimate point made by others.

You're a troll. Trolls get ignored.

Later.

Like the point that I made that Sanchez would have been a complete failure on this team, more than he was for the Jets last year?

Like the point that I made that a first round QB is more likely to bust than to be successful?

Like the point that I made that Cassel was on a team void of talent (save for Charles the second half of the season), with a revolving door of WRs and an offensive scheme that changed weekly?

[notorious]

Nice, never saw that one last year, still prevalent and the best argument I've seen to date for the drafting a QB stance. Not that I ever whole heartedly disagreed with that stance, but have been irritated by all the going back and forth between the two sides....

rep.

It probably is the post of the decade. He basically had to draw out everything in crayon so the "true fans" out there can understand why it is very important to go after a 1st round QB.


The bad thing is that the people that need to read it will skip over it and go back to masterbating to Okung and Bulaga game tape.

[crazycoffey]

Fine. But don't shoot the guy's pit.

Just go to the fucking front door, for crying out loud.


LOL - depends on so many other variables, can't I just find a suitable hajji bomb maker?

[Ebolapox]

Montanal. ROFL

[OnTheWarpath15]

Like the point that I made that Sanchez would have been a complete failure on this team, more than he was for the Jets last year?

Good thing the kid's career isn't limited to one season.

Like the point that I made that a first round QB is more likely to bust than to be successful?

57% of the Super Bowls have been won by first round quarterbacks.
(Out of those quarterbacks only 3 were not top 10 picks)
40% of the Super Bowls won by top 5 picks.
21% have been won by 1st round quarterbacks that wasnt their original team (Dawson, Plunkett (2), Williams, Young, Dilfer)
16% of the Super Bowls were won by Montana and Brady
4% were Roger Staubuach's wins who would have went in the first if he wasnt going to Vietnam
14% were won by a 9th or lower (counting Warner who was Undrafted) and 4 of those wins were by Bart Starr & Roger Staubauch.
4% were won by second round quarterbacks
4% 3rd and 6th rounds picks that were not Montana or Brady
0% of the Super Bowls were won by a 7th round pick

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=129

Additionally, this was done before this year’s Super Bowl, in which another 1st round quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, won.

Fine. Don't take the risk. Enjoy watching other teams win Championships.

You're the type that plays 2-7 offsuit religiously, loses a couple hundred dollars, then laughs when you finally hit a flop and drag a $35 pot, aren't you?

Like the point that I made that Cassel was on a team void of talent (save for Charles the second half of the season), with a revolving door of WRs and an offensive scheme that changed weekly?

He was supported by the 2nd best rushing attack in the league for the last 8 games of the season, was given Chambers, who God knows bailed his ass out several times on those hot-air balloons Matt likes to throw, was only sacked 8 times in the last 6 games, and PLAYED WORSE than he did in the first 8 with no running game, no OL and without Chris Chambers.

Got anything else?

You fail at debate.

Thanks for playing.

[TRR]

This sounds like a terrible plan.

Why is that a terrible plan? That's all I hear about is how NFL ready Clausen is, and how familiar he would be with the offense. If the kid can play, put his ass on the field. Did we hold Tyson Jackson out and work him in? I know he's not a QB but why is that rule exclusive to QB's. Why didn't KC break Cassel in slowly? Because he had a whole 15 games of starting experience.

Also...do posters want Clausen because they are blinded by Cassel hate, or because they really think Jimmy "punched in the face by my own fan" Clausen is THE ONE? I'm not sure I've seen Clausen show enough to say he is a shoe in for a top 5 NFL QB. He's not even the best QB in this class, and wouldn't be in next years class either.
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[MoreLemonPledge]

Good thing the kid's career isn't limited to one season.

But Cassel's is. Well, that and one season where he led his team to 11-5.

57% of the Super Bowls have been won by first round quarterbacks.
(Out of those quarterbacks only 3 were not top 10 picks)
40% of the Super Bowls won by top 5 picks.
21% have been won by 1st round quarterbacks that wasnt their original team (Dawson, Plunkett (2), Williams, Young, Dilfer)
16% of the Super Bowls were won by Montana and Brady
4% were Roger Staubuach's wins who would have went in the first if he wasnt going to Vietnam
14% were won by a 9th or lower (counting Warner who was Undrafted) and 4 of those wins were by Bart Starr & Roger Staubauch.
4% were won by second round quarterbacks
4% 3rd and 6th rounds picks that were not Montana or Brady
0% of the Super Bowls were won by a 7th round pick

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=129

Additionally, this was done before this year’s Super Bowl, in which another 1st round quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, won.

Fine. Don't take the risk. Enjoy watching other teams win Championships.

Do you also happen to have the statistics of how many more first round QBs bust than actually win a Superbowl?

He was supported by the 2nd best rushing attack in the league for the last 8 games of the season, was given Chambers, who God knows bailed his ass out several times on those hot-air balloons Matt likes to throw, was only sacked 8 times in the last 6 games, and PLAYED WORSE than he did in the first 8 with no running game, no OL and without Chris Chambers.

And Sanchez was supported by the best rushing attack in the league, and the best defense, and better receivers, and still put up truly putrid numbers.

[OnTheWarpath15]

But Cassel's is. Well, that and one season where he led his team to 11-5.



Do you also happen to have the statistics of how many more first round QBs bust than actually win a Superbowl?



And Sanchez was supported by the best rushing attack in the league, and the best defense, and better receivers, and still put up truly putrid numbers.

Shocking, you ignored everything I posted.

Welcome to ignore, fuckstick.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Shocking, you ignored everything I posted.

Welcome to ignore, fuckstick.

So you're ignoring what I posted?

[Sully]

How's that working out for Houston, San Francisco, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Oakland, Chicago, Buffalo, Washington, and probably Arizona (post-Warner), Tennessee, Detroit, and Tampa Bay?
8 super bowl appearances among those teams when they had 1st round QBs. Great point!

[Mecca]

I like how Lemonpledge went to the 1 year argument.

Matt Cassel is not a fucking rookie, he's the same age Ben Roethlisberger is, guys nearing 30 do not get patience, they are not 22 year old guys fresh out of college.

I remember after that trade I said I thought it was stupid and I better not remotely see this line "Cassel needs time" he's a 27 at the time year old player that has been in the league 5 years, he's expected to be a ready right now player, many agreed.

And what do we have now? People wanting to treat him like a rookie QB.

[Mecca]

8 super bowl appearances among those teams when they had 1st round QBs. Great point!

Basically his argument is he doesn't want to draft a QB because...it scares him. Sums up a lot of the city really, if you take no risk you'll never be great but you can win your 8-10 games and lose in the 1st round of the playoffs.

Only the Chiefs could have 3 straight top 5 picks and possibly get no QB and no playmakers on top of it.

[KCinNY]

I like how Lemonpledge went to the 1 year argument.

Matt Cassel is not a ****ing rookie, he's the same age Ben Roethlisberger is, guys nearing 30 do not get patience, they are not 22 year old guys fresh out of college.

I remember after that trade I said I thought it was stupid and I better not remotely see this line "Cassel needs time" he's a 27 at the time year old player that has been in the league 5 years, he's expected to be a ready right now player, many agreed.

And what do we have now? People wanting to treat him like a rookie QB.

Grbac's supporters (remember, they did exist) used the same argument for 27 year old Elvis..."Give Grbac a break, this is only his 11th career start."

[Micjones]

If Clausen becomes a Chief I'll be elated.
I'm ready to see this team make a major Draft investment at that position.
Give Cassel another year to prove himself or pack his own bags and hit the first plane out of KCI.

[Pushead2]

Only the Chiefs could have 3 straight top 5 picks and possibly get no QB and no playmakers on top of it.

:(

[Fat Elvis]

Hilarious that the guy is decked in all Chiefs gear, looks like the Goodyear Blimp and you didn't know who he was.

Apparently you haven't looked around the parking lot at Arrowhead on game day.....

[Fat Elvis]

Gunther was in a Radio Shack dressed like a Clown and told me he was going out back to suck off a Payless Shoes salesman for some crack and the cheat codes to Street Fighter 4.

I believed you right up to the cheat codes....

[Mr. Laz]

Good thing you took yourself out, because I would find you and have sex with you. And I'm straight.:spock:

[Mecca]

Wha

Well what do expect us to do,draft a QB with a top 10 pick every 30 years?ROFL

I know, it's obviously asking way to much.

[BigChiefFan]

40 years and counting. Shit or get off the pot.