How much ya' bench?

[ChiefaRoo]

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[Quesadilla Joe]

Tebow can bench over 400 pounds.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Tebow can bench over 400 pounds.

cool. So can Brady Quinn

[vailpass]

One cock push-up.

[CHENZ A!]

Enough to kick your ass
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[gblowfish]

Your Honor, may I approach the bench?

[LaChapelle]

Knowmo is a bust
Tebow15 is the way to go

[FireDogg]

that was hilarious. I hadn't seen it forever! I wish McCluster would get some of what they are on!

[Kyle DeLexus]

One cock push-up.

Yeah one is all you need.

[Hammock Parties]

I dunno, because all I ever bench are dumbbells. I can do 12 reps of a pair of 60-pound dumbbells. What's the equivalent on a barbell?

[KCrockaholic]

About 260 1 rep max.

[Over-Head]

Havent tried in ages, but I used to work with 250lbs for 3 sets of 8 reps
But I can fling 45lb boxes of plaster around like their paper weights :)

[Silock]

I dunno, because all I ever bench are dumbbells. I can do 12 reps of a pair of 60-pound dumbbells. What's the equivalent on a barbell?

120 lbs for 12 reps on a barbell, too. You need to use higher weight and lower those damn reps, son! But we've been over that ;)

[Over-Head]

I dunno, because all I ever bench are dumbbells. I can do 12 reps of a pair of 60-pound dumbbells. What's the equivalent on a barbell?
60 plus 60 is 120 fucknutts (plus bar weight)...sheesh, and ya call Raider fans dumb

[tmax63]

My coworker lifts competitively here in Colorado. He lifts in the single ply class. weighs 242 and he benched 500 the other night on video. His dead lift and squats are in the 700+ range. Said he can get sponsors if he can get to a 2000 lb total.

[Silock]

60 plus 60 is 120 fucknutts (plus bar weight)...sheesh, and ya call Raider fans dumb

The bar is 45 pounds, so putting 60 pounds on each side would make it 165 pounds, "fucknutts." LMAO

I think you mean "minus the bar weight." ;)

[Hammock Parties]

120 lbs for 12 reps on a barbell, too. You need to use higher weight and lower those damn reps, son! But we've been over that ;)

From what I've read, a barbell should be easier. It uses fewer stabilizers.

Anyway, I've maxed out the weights on these dumbbells. I'm using four 15-pound slabs, two to a side. I GUESS I could go get the barbell and rack a bunch of weights on it, but I don't have a bench press rack thingamajig to suspend it above me.

I'd buy new dumbbells but they are expensive.

[Silock]

From what I've read, a barbell should be easier. It uses fewer stabilizers.

It *should* be, in theory, but it's not, really. It's about the same. At least, that's my experience. Your mileage may vary.

[BWillie]

295....or 260 six times.

[BWillie]

It *should* be, in theory, but it's not, really. It's about the same. At least, that's my experience. Your mileage may vary.

I lift more barbell than dumbell by quite a bit.

So my max 260-265 five to six times.
My max w/ dumbells is about 110 six times, but it's inclined. Maybe that is why it's lower by a little bit.

You really are aren't going to have your 1 rep max down to an exact science if you are trying to guesstimate based on 12 reps.

[Dave Lane]

I can do 275 about 4-5 times

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I can lift........................tree hunded...................................fowty seven pounds..........................ova mah head....................................but still..................................NOBODY LIKES ME!!!

[boogblaster]

benched 400 in high school ...

[Silock]

I lift more barbell than dumbell by quite a bit.

So my max 260-265 five to six times.
My max w/ dumbells is about 110 six times, but it's inclined. Maybe that is why it's lower by a little bit.

You really are aren't going to have your 1 rep max down to an exact science if you are trying to guesstimate based on 12 reps.

Incline is usually lower for me, by about 35%-40%, but then, I always do it after FB and flyes, so my chest has already been blasted by the time I get to it.

[RedNFeisty]

Is 65lbs good for a girl? :D

[Silock]

Is 65lbs good for a girl? :D

Actually, yeah, it's not bad.

[HotRoute]

Man chris farley was always spot on, the things he could have accomplished if he would have gotten sober. . . .

[RedNFeisty]

Actually, yeah, it's not bad.

65 lbs is my starting weight after 16 years of doing nothing, glad to hear it isn't too shabby.

[Pushead2]

225 -10x, max was 260

[BIG K]

benched 400 in high school ...

Sweet! Never hit 400. But I stopped maxing a few years ago. My max then was 365. Because I am getting older, I just move up to 315 and do 5 sets of six and call it good. At my age, 40, there is no reason to hurt myself maxing out, you know?

[T-post Tom]

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[BWillie]

http://media.tumblr.com/c8C1I2mjG70ai24vrYL2Zpig_400.jpg

That chinese broad is just asking for an eel up the ass

[T-post Tom]

That chinese broad is just asking for an eel up the ass

It wouldn't be her first.:)

[Silock]

It wouldn't be her first.:)

Or Ronnie McDonnie's.

[T-post Tom]

Or Ronnie McDonnie's.

ROFL I hear Ronnie gets a lot of repeat business because even though he's not spectacular, he's very consistent on quality.

[kcxiv]

in my mid 20's i hit 340 2 times, but i never tried more then that. I just started lifting a little again, but nothing to serious, 2-3 times a week.

I am just trying to drop some weight i gained over the winter. Lifting weights and hitting a heavy bag is good for me for now. I need to get a speed bag, my old one has a hole in it. :(

[Saccopoo]

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[Jethopper]

350

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Wow..... A bunch of strong guys in here. The average adult male bench press in the united states is between 135 and 165 depending on age. That is max.

Personally, I am the weakling of the board, cause I can grab 225 just once. I am hoping to push that to 300 as soon as possible, but the going is slow.

[DomerNKC]

I maxed at 405 in college. My shoulders are crap now, but i believe i am stronger now than i was then.

[Lono]

Don't lift much anymore. Flopped down on the bench last summer and threw up 320 after a few of our players were mouthing. Had to show them who daddy was.

[MOhillbilly]

7-800 pounds 1 rep max.

[Hootie]

this is hilarious...

my friend Nate was ALL DECADE in our area for football...was the strongest kid in our high school BY FAR...5'10 190 lbs. at the time and maxed 335 and he was FREAKISHLY strong...

Yet we have a bunch of dildos on this website that were maxing 400+ lbs. in...HIGH SCHOOL?

Yeah fucking right.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

this is hilarious...

my friend Nate was ALL DECADE in our area for football...was the strongest kid in our high school BY FAR...5'10 190 lbs. at the time and maxed 335 and he was FREAKISHLY strong...

Yet we have a bunch of dildos on this website that were maxing 400+ lbs. in...HIGH SCHOOL?

Yeah ****ing right.

Well, to be fair, they use their three foot cock to help..... so... yeah.

[MOhillbilly]

this is hilarious...

my friend Nate was ALL DECADE in our area for football...was the strongest kid in our high school BY FAR...5'10 190 lbs. at the time and maxed 335 and he was FREAKISHLY strong...

Yet we have a bunch of dildos on this website that were maxing 400+ lbs. in...HIGH SCHOOL?

Yeah ****ing right.

i have 2 cousins that benched over 4 bills in HS.

[Sofa King]

12 ounce curls, 24 reps...

[SenselessChiefsFan]

i have 2 cousins that benched over 4 bills in HS.

Maybe so, but as I said, the average bench press max is between 135-165 for adult males depending on age.

Yet, this thread's average is twice that. I don't think it is far fetched to assume that these could be exagerated numbers.

[BigCatDaddy]

this is hilarious...

my friend Nate was ALL DECADE in our area for football...was the strongest kid in our high school BY FAR...5'10 190 lbs. at the time and maxed 335 and he was FREAKISHLY strong...

Yet we have a bunch of dildos on this website that were maxing 400+ lbs. in...HIGH SCHOOL?

Yeah ****ing right.

We had a couple kids at St. Joe Benton benching 400 LBS a few years ago. One is playing Offensive Guard at MoWest and the other is probably shooting hoops at Munchenbergers Center since he decided not to show up to sign his full scholarship offer to play football at Nebraska. Both guys were pushing 300 pounders though.

[MOhillbilly]

Maybe so, but as I said, the average bench press max is between 135-165 for adult males depending on age.

Yet, this thread's average is twice that. I don't think it is far fetched to assume that these could be exagerated numbers.

I also have 2 uncles who benched over 300 in HS during the early 70s.

And as far as your numbers go theres alot of dudes out there who cant bench the bar.

[BigCatDaddy]

Maybe so, but as I said, the average bench press max is between 135-165 for adult males depending on age.

Yet, this thread's average is twice that. I don't think it is far fetched to assume that these could be exagerated numbers.

Or the only people replying are the ones that workout.

My best is about 340 BTW.

[ChiefsOne]

Maybe so, but as I said, the average bench press max is between 135-165 for adult males depending on age.

Yet, this thread's average is twice that. I don't think it is far fetched to assume that these could be exagerated numbers.

That may be an average person, but not someone that works out and any kind of regular basis!

[Hootie]

That may be an average person, but not someone that works out and any kind of regular basis!

I can agree with this...

I do sets 3X10 of 185 and I don't consider myself to be strong...shit, out of all of my friends I work out with, I'm the weakest...

[ChiefsOne]

this is hilarious...

my friend Nate was ALL DECADE in our area for football...was the strongest kid in our high school BY FAR...5'10 190 lbs. at the time and maxed 335 and he was FREAKISHLY strong...

Yet we have a bunch of dildos on this website that were maxing 400+ lbs. in...HIGH SCHOOL?

Yeah ****ing right.

335 in high school is very good. Not many do 400 in high school, not impossible but unlikely unless they are a workout fiend and gifted.

They was only one guy on here that claimed that, plus Mohillbilly after your post about his cousins. But knowing something about his family tree, it is very likely.

[ChiefsOne]

Are you in high school Meat Dragon?

[Hootie]

No.

[ChiefsOne]

You have to consider the age of the people on here and how long they have been working out. I have been lifting for 25 years, not physically gifted, but I do OK. Never got 405, which was my goal. I did get 365 for 3 sets of 3 and got it 4 times once.

Muscle maturity and memory comes with age though.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

That may be an average person, but not someone that works out and any kind of regular basis!

I know that.

That said, I workout all the time. I have only been at it for eight months. So, I am not using myself as an example..... but there are guys who have been working out for years that don't hit 300lbs on the bench. I mean, there are a ton of guys between 225 and 250 max.

Now, it could be that anyone that can't hit 300 doesn't want to post here... but there are more guys in here that can bench 300 than guys at my gym.

Forgive my cynicism.

[TheGuardian]

doesn't everyone have two cousins that could bench 400 in high school?

rolls fucking eyes

[SenselessChiefsFan]

I also have 2 uncles who benched over 300 in HS during the early 70s.

And as far as your numbers go theres alot of dudes out there who cant bench the bar.

Other than a physically handicapped person, there is no adult male that can't bench the bar. The bar is only 45lbs. My 12 year old daughter, before she ever lifted a weight could bench press the bar.

[Silock]

I know that.

That said, I workout all the time. I have only been at it for eight months. So, I am not using myself as an example..... but there are guys who have been working out for years that don't hit 300lbs on the bench. I mean, there are a ton of guys between 225 and 250 max.

Now, it could be that anyone that can't hit 300 doesn't want to post here... but there are more guys in here that can bench 300 than guys at my gym.

Forgive my cynicism.

I agree. I wasn't going to bring it up, but in the past 3 years, I've seen maybe 3 guys repping three plates, yet we have like 8 people here doing more than that? Lol bs

Maybe some guys are counting smith machine reps or other machines, but for straight up barbell flat bench, there is no way that many dudes here bench that much.

[MOhillbilly]

Other than a physically handicapped person, there is no adult male that can't bench the bar. The bar is only 45lbs. My 12 year old daughter, before she ever lifted a weight could bench press the bar.

you been workin out for 8 months? when you been in the gym for 8 years plus you can tell me what i do and do not know. Until then youre just a work out noob.

[MOhillbilly]

I agree. I wasn't going to bring it up, but in the past 3 years, I've seen maybe 3 guys repping three plates, yet we have like 8 people here doing more than that? Lol bs

Maybe some guys are counting smith machine reps or other machines, but for straight up barbell flat bench, there is no way that many dudes here bench that much.

you work out at the Y or curves?

[vailpass]

you work out at the Y or curves.

ouch

[DaneMcCloud]

this is hilarious...

my friend Nate was ALL DECADE in our area for football...was the strongest kid in our high school BY FAR...5'10 190 lbs. at the time and maxed 335 and he was FREAKISHLY strong...

Yet we have a bunch of dildos on this website that were maxing 400+ lbs. in...HIGH SCHOOL?

Yeah fucking right.

I had one friend that went on to play major college ball that benched 405 in high school. He weighed 230 at the time and was also the heavyweight state wrestling champion.

I knew a few guys that benched 325 to 350 but they were freaks and didn't look like they'd be able to bench that much. When I graduated, I was 165 and could only bench 225 once. But, I missed 12 weeks of working out (and my senior football season) due to emergency surgery. When I first started lifting again, I could only max at 165 (after putting up 195 before surgery).

I've lifted sporadically in the past 25 years, the last time from 2006-2008. I was finishing up five sets of five with 275 pounds. Even though my waist was only 32", my wife (and even some friends) said that my arms and upper body were getting out of control big. So I stopped lifting and have done only cardio since.

[Chris Meck]

Oh yeah, all these guys are ripped, benching 400 pounds, and all of their wives and girlfriends look like Megan Fox.


This is why they spend so much time on an internet forum.

[HC_Chief]

Bench press is highly overrated.

I never go above 225; no point. Plus, I have ape-like arms, meaning very long reach; makes benching with a barbell very difficult... dumbells are better anyway. Any more, only time I use a barbell is for close-grip benching to work triceps.

I prefer leg and back workouts... squats, step-squats, dead-lift, barbell row. Those four exercises will do way more for you than benching. Too many people put unnecessary emphasis on chest workouts.

That said, I have worked out next to Boomer Grigsby; he benches 335 without a spotter, no problem. One of the PTs that used to work at the same gym regularly lifted 225+ on the incline, no problem. Those dudes are frigging STRONG.

[DaneMcCloud]

Maybe so, but as I said, the average bench press max is between 135-165 for adult males depending on age.

Yet, this thread's average is twice that. I don't think it is far fetched to assume that these could be exagerated numbers.

135-165?

I assume these are people who have never lifted in their lives, don't know how to train or eat?

If you've lifted all your life or even at certain points in your life, if you can't put up your own body weight, there's something inherently wrong with your conditioning.

In high school, the only way to get an "A" was to bench your body weight plus 25%.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

you been workin out for 8 months? when you been in the gym for 8 years plus you can tell me what i do and do not know. Until then youre just a work out noob.

Like I said, I didn't use myself as an example. Oh, and there are a ton of guys that have been doing it for a long time that still don't do it 'right'.

[DaneMcCloud]

Bench press is highly overrated.

I never go above 225; no point. Plus, I have ape-like arms, meaning very long reach; makes benching with a barbell very difficult... dumbells are better anyway. Any more, only time I use a barbell is for close-grip benching to work triceps.

I prefer leg and back workouts... squats, step-squats, dead-lift, barbell row. Those four exercises will do way more for you than benching. Too many people put unnecessary emphasis on chest workouts.

That said, I have worked out next to Boomer Grigsby; he benches 335 without a spotter, no problem. One of the PTs that used to work at the same gym regularly lifted 225+ on the incline, no problem. Those dudes are frigging STRONG.

I grew up doing the Nebraska "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" routine. The result is a bunch of strength but also a lot of bulkiness.

The guys that are lean and cut are the guys that are using dumbbells with low weight and high reps. I just personally never got into that kind of training regimen.

Maybe when my daughter's in grade school.

[MOhillbilly]

Like I said, I didn't use myself as an example. Oh, and there are a ton of guys that have been doing it for a long time that still don't do it 'right'.

how would you know? youve only been workin out for 8 months. So because you saw it on tv or read it in a book you know whats right & wrong?

[HC_Chief]

I grew up doing the Nebraska "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" routine. The result is a bunch of strength but also a lot of bulkiness.

The guys that are lean and cut are the guys that are using dumbbells with low weight and high reps. I just personally never got into that kind of training regimen.

Maybe when my daughter's in grade school.

I've tried several regimens; the one I like the most is heavy back & leg, with light, controlled arms & chest. Using 60-80% max with dumbells + high rep count + <i>slow</I> rep, concentrating on form = damn nice workout. I typically start with an hour of cardio (mixed; bit of cross trainer, bit of treadmill, bit of stairs), followed by 30 minutes of lifting.

If I would only stop eating so much crappy food/beer/scotch...

[MOhillbilly]

I grew up doing the Nebraska "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" routine. The result is a bunch of strength but also a lot of bulkiness.

The guys that are lean and cut are the guys that are using dumbbells with low weight and high reps. I just personally never got into that kind of training regimen.

Maybe when my daughter's in grade school.

I hated BSF. its great when youre in jr high/ freshman but after that it leaves alot to be desired for a routine.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

135-165?

I assume these are people who have never lifted in their lives, don't know how to train or eat?

If you've lifted all your life or even at certain points in your life, if you can't put up your own body weight, there's something inherently wrong with your conditioning.

In high school, the only way to get an "A" was to bench your body weight plus 25%.

It is the average of everyone. It takes into account the guy who benches 400 (in the gym and not just on the internet) and the guy who struggles to get 100lbs.

I was shocked at how low it was. I would have figure the average would be at least 150 to 175.

But, this is just the overall average.

[DaneMcCloud]

I know that.

That said, I workout all the time. I have only been at it for eight months. So, I am not using myself as an example..... but there are guys who have been working out for years that don't hit 300lbs on the bench. I mean, there are a ton of guys between 225 and 250 max.

Now, it could be that anyone that can't hit 300 doesn't want to post here... but there are more guys in here that can bench 300 than guys at my gym.

Forgive my cynicism.

Obviously, those guys don't know how to train.

If guys aren't putting on 315 and doing reps, it may be a product of where you live. Go to the 24 Hour Fitness at Arclight anytime from 6am to 10pm and you'll see tons of guys doing heavy workouts.

Go to any Gold's Gym (which personally, I can't stand - too many fucking meatheads) and you'll see some serious lifting going on.

[DaneMcCloud]

If I would only stop eating so much crappy food/beer/scotch...

I tried that - Life was MUCH less enjoyable!

:D

[DaneMcCloud]

I hated BSF. its great when youre in jr high/ freshman but after that it leaves alot to be desired for a routine.

Yeah, that's pretty much the only training method that I was familiar with and I put on so much muscle mass from 2006-2008 that I looked like Donnie Edwards. It got to a point where I rapidly increasing my lifting when I finally said "Why the fuck do I need to bench 275 five times on my final set?".

Now, I do 20 miles of walking/hiking in our neighborhood per week mixed in with about 30 miles of biking. I'll get back into lifting in a few years.

Oh, and we own a Pilates Studio (and maybe opening another soon) and I've never even done it. The guys that take classes at our studio are freakin' ripped. I don't know how that translates to weight training but I should take some classes, just to find out.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

how would you know? youve only been workin out for 8 months. So because you saw it on tv or read it in a book you know whats right & wrong?

Yup.... just saw it on tv..... it was a body by jake commercial. Now, THAT guy knows what he is talking about.

In all seriousness, I read magazines and books. I research things on line.

The reality, is that if you are getting in the gym consistently, then you are going to get stronger and bigger... but that doesn't mean that the way you are doing it is the most efficient way.

I am considering getting a degree in exercise science. The only hangup is that the only real thing to do with it is become a trainer.... and trainer's don't make much money.

[Fat Elvis]

I agree. I wasn't going to bring it up, but in the past 3 years, I've seen maybe 3 guys repping three plates, yet we have like 8 people here doing more than that? Lol bs

Maybe some guys are counting smith machine reps or other machines, but for straight up barbell flat bench, there is no way that many dudes here bench that much.

Pussies. I do SIX plates with my pecker.







And that is while it is still flaccid.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Obviously, those guys don't know how to train.

If guys aren't putting on 315 and doing reps, it may be a product of where you live. Go to the 24 Hour Fitness at Arclight anytime from 6am to 10pm and you'll see tons of guys doing heavy workouts.

Go to any Gold's Gym (which personally, I can't stand - too many ****ing meatheads) and you'll see some serious lifting going on.

Well, to be sure, the local Golds will have more guys who can bench 300 plus. But, then you consider how many more people actually go to the Golds, and it could be close to the same percentage.

The point isn't that it is some unattainable goal.... just that this may be the strongest BB on the planet (actual planet, not Chiefsplanet) if so many guys can get 300 plus lbs.

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, to be sure, the local Golds will have more guys who can bench 300 plus. But, then you consider how many more people actually go to the Golds, and it could be close to the same percentage.

The point isn't that it is some unattainable goal.... just that this may be the strongest BB on the planet (actual planet, not Chiefsplanet) if so many guys can get 300 plus lbs.

Not really.

Considering many of these guys are large guys, played high school football, etc, it shouldn't be surprising at all.

If this was a sewing forum, I'd be surprised. But it's a football forum.

And FWIW, I started weight training after 7th grade under the watcher eye of a very successful KC football coach. Most of my friends were pretty goddamn strong in high school and weight training was an elective class that we all took, in addition to working out after school.

[DaneMcCloud]

Oh yeah, all these guys are ripped, benching 400 pounds, and all of their wives and girlfriends look like Megan Fox.


This is why they spend so much time on an internet forum.

I always knew you were a pussy

[BWillie]

Wow..... A bunch of strong guys in here. The average adult male bench press in the united states is between 135 and 165 depending on age. That is max.

Personally, I am the weakling of the board, cause I can grab 225 just once. I am hoping to push that to 300 as soon as possible, but the going is slow.

LOL. I guarantee the majority of people in here are lying their ass off. Oh yeah...back in high school or college I did this or that. I had a full ride D1 scholarship to USC and I blew my knee out. Sure you did.

I very RARELY see anybody at the gym that benches over 300. Seems like on Chiefsplanet just about everybody does. Pretty amazing. There are of course guys that do that, and they are regulars that lift all the time and usually few and far between. If what everybody is saying on here is true, just about all of chiefsplanet must have extremely fortunate genetics compared to the world and a statistical anomaly.

I've had countless friends tell me how much they lift, or what they can run the 40 in. I take them to the gym, they put up 100 lbs less than what they say. Or I'll take them to my buddies acceleration camps and they will run a 5.1 when they say they can run a 4.6

[BigCatDaddy]

Oh yeah, all these guys are ripped, benching 400 pounds, and all of their wives and girlfriends look like Megan Fox.


This is why they spend so much time on an internet forum.

Most guys that bench 400lbs aren't the guys walking around with single digit body fat. They just look like big dudes, but I wouldn't even think of trading bod's with them.

[HC_Chief]

Oh, and we own a Pilates Studio (and maybe opening another soon) and I've never even done it. The guys that take classes at our studio are freakin' ripped. I don't know how that translates to weight training but I should take some classes, just to find out.

You need to do it! I use a couple of Pilates positions, post-workout, for stretching.

Pilates and yoga are incredible for flexibility, balance, and core. First time I tried each I was sore for a week! I have considered working in a Pilates class twice a week as part of my routine. Right now I just do a bit of yoga on the Wii fit. It's surprisingly good because it works your center of balance.

Of course I've also considered BJJ instead; we have a Gracie-certified gym nearby and I know I would enjoy that. Need to get the kids into it as well.

[DaneMcCloud]

I very RARELY see anybody at the gym that benches over 300.

Where do you work out?

I absolutely, guarantee you would see guys lifting over 300 at my gym, 24 Hour Fitness at Arclight AND Gold's Gym on Cole in Hollywood.

And Muscle Beach? 315 is a dumbell to those guys.

Don't even get me started on 24 Hour Fitness in WeHo. That gym is mainly homosexual, and those fucking guys are ripped beyond belief.

[HC_Chief]

LOL. I guarantee the majority of people in here are lying their ass off. Oh yeah...back in high school or college I did this or that. I had a full ride D1 scholarship to USC and I blew my knee out. Sure you did.

I very RARELY see anybody at the gym that benches over 300. Seems like on Chiefsplanet just about everybody does. Pretty amazing. There are of course guys that do that, and they are regulars that lift all the time and usually few and far between. If what everybody is saying on here is true, just about all of chiefsplanet must have extremely fortunate genetics compared to the world and a statistical anomaly.

I've had countless friends tell me how much they lift, or what they can run the 40 in. I take them to the gym, they put up 100 lbs less than what they say. Or I'll take them to my buddies acceleration camps and they will run a 5.1 when they say they can run a 4.6

Heh, does getting your 300lb flabby arse off the coach to nab another bag of Doritos, between CP posts, count as "benching 300+"? If so, yeah, CP is loaded with peeps who can bench 300+! :p

[DaneMcCloud]

You need to do it! I use a couple of Pilates positions, post-workout, for stretching.

Pilates and yoga are incredible for flexibility, balance, and core. First time I tried each I was sore for a week! I have considered working in a Pilates class twice a week as part of my routine. Right now I just do a bit of yoga on the Wii fit. It's surprisingly good because it works your center of balance.

Of course I've also considered BJJ instead; we have a Gracie-certified gym nearby and I know I would enjoy that. Need to get the kids into it as well.

It's sad that our two year anniversary of that gym is tomorrow, yet I've never once taken a class.

The problem is two-fold: It's about 30 minutes in traffic each way to the studio plus a one hour workout, taking two hours out of my already crazy, hectic days.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I'm also a little afraid of not being able to move for a few days after the initial workout!

[HC_Chief]

It's sad that our two year anniversary of that gym is tomorrow, yet I've never once taken a class.

The problem is two-fold: It's about 30 minutes in traffic each way to the studio plus a one hour workout, taking two hours out of my already crazy, hectic days.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that I'm also a little afraid of not being able to move for a few days after the initial workout!

If you own the gym have one of the trainers come to you! You don't need much room, and I've never seen people use equipment. All you need is an exercis mat.

[Ecto-I]

I used to work out at an upscale gym that my work paid for and I was one in the top 20% of guys in terms of strength. Now, I work out at 24 hour, and I'm definitely in the bottom 50% I think - at least when it comes to bench (my chest is weak like Ukraine!).

I'm 26, 200lbs. I can get 225 barbell for about 5-6 reps on my final set (pyramiding up). I however take pride in my deadlifts. I do 325 for my final set of 5-6. I always feel like a BEAST when I'm done!

In yo FACE 24-hour meatheads!

[HC_Chief]

I used to work out at an upscale gym that my work paid for and I was one in the top 20% of guys in terms of strength. Now, I work out at 24 hour, and I'm definitely in the bottom 50% I think - at least when it comes to bench (my chest is weak like Ukraine!).

I'm 26, 200lbs. I can get 225 barbell for about 5-6 reps on my final set (pyramiding up). I however take pride in my deadlifts. I do 325 for my final set of 5-6. I always feel like a BEAST when I'm done!

In yo FACE 24-hour meatheads!

I love dead lifts and barbell rows. Along with pushups and pullups, those two are the best upper-body exercises, IMO! :thumb:

[BWillie]

Where do you work out?

I absolutely, guarantee you would see guys lifting over 300 at my gym, 24 Hour Fitness at Arclight AND Gold's Gym on Cole in Hollywood.

And Muscle Beach? 315 is a dumbell to those guys.

Don't even get me started on 24 Hour Fitness in WeHo. That gym is mainly homosexual, and those ****ing guys are ripped beyond belief.

I've lifted at Lifetime Fitness in Overland Park, 24 hour Fitness in Shawnee, Olathe, North of the River. Same shit different day. As Silock was indicating, I very rarely see anybody w/ 3 plates. Hell, I'm one of the stronger guys my size in my gym and that is just because I'm a try hard, and I'm only about 290-295 bench max.

Everybody is just stronger in So Cal. And on the internet. And on Chiefsplanet.

I think alot of you guys use spotters, and they help the bar up a little bit for you. When I'm maxing out, I tell my spotter to not even touch the bar until I tell you to. I've had just random spotters at the gym put two fingers on the bar, and it ended up allowing me to rep like my max seven times, and then they legitimately think they didn't really help me. It doesn't take alot of assistance when spotting.

[DaneMcCloud]

If you own the gym have one of the trainers come to you! You don't need much room, and I've never seen people use equipment. All you need is an exercis mat.

Our Pilates Studio uses specific machines designed by Sebastian Lagree. It's different than mat pilates and supposedly tones the body much better than mat pilates will.

The testimonials on our site are amazing. Like "Biggest Loser" results. One of these days, I'll get into it, probably after my daughter's in preschool.

[MOhillbilly]

I've lifted at Lifetime Fitness in Overland Park, 24 hour Fitness in Shawnee, Olathe, North of the River. Same shit different day. As Silock was indicating, I very rarely see anybody w/ 3 plates. Hell, I'm one of the stronger guys my size in my gym and that is just because I'm a try hard, and I'm only about 290-295 bench max.

Everybody is just stronger in So Cal. And on the internet. And on Chiefsplanet.

I think alot of you guys use spotters, and they help the bar up a little bit for you. When I'm maxing out, I tell my spotter to not even touch the bar until I tell you to. I've had just random spotters at the gym put two fingers on the bar, and it ended up allowing me to rep like my max seven times, and then they legitimately think they didn't really help me. It doesn't take alot of assistance when spotting.

i worked out at golds for almost 3 years 6 days a week and it wasnt nothin to see 3 plates or more everyday anytime.
Sure you see more weaklings but to say you rarely/never see guys workin out w/ 300+ is kinda funny/retarded.

[DaneMcCloud]

Everybody is just stronger in So Cal. And on the internet. And on Chiefsplanet.



So, you're accusing me of lying because your max is only 295?

JFC.

FTR, I never said I benched 300, I said the last time I benched, I finished my final set of five with 275. I'm sure I could have put up more than 300, but that wasn't my goal.

To be honest, I don't know what my goal was, which is why I stopped altogether. No weight training is required for my job.

Oh and BTW, Dumbshit, there are 20 million people in this city, a city in which there are gyms on every fucking corner.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that health and training are far more prevalent and important to people in SoCal than in Kansas.

[BWillie]

So, you're accusing me of lying because your max is only 295?

JFC.

FTR, I never said I benched 300, I said the last time I benched, I finished my final set of five with 275. I'm sure I could have put up more than 300, but that wasn't my goal.

To be honest, I don't know what my goal was, which is why I stopped altogether. No weight training is required for my job.

Oh and BTW, Dumbshit, there are 20 million people in this city, a city in which there are gyms on every ****ing corner.

I'd say that health and training are far more prevalent and important to people in SoCal than in Kansas.

LOL. Love the name calling. Good stuff Dane.

I'm not saying you are lying, or anybody in particular is lying. I'm saying that as a whole, the majority of the numbers people are posting as their max are greatly inflated. Some of them are accurate, but it is pretty rare to find as many people in the general male population that are as strong as our sample her in this thread. It's possible I suppose, but extremely unlikely.

[BWillie]

i worked out at golds for almost 3 years 6 days a week and it wasnt nothin to see 3 plates or more everyday anytime.
Sure you see more weaklings but to say you rarely/never see guys workin out w/ 300+ is kinda funny/retarded.

I'll see guys do three plates probably once a week when I'm there, and I go about 3 times a week. But my gym, there is probably 100 people lifting weight at a given time. It's huge. I consider that rare.

[Lono]

I'm sure some people are probably lying but I doubt most are. I grew up in SW MO on a large farm. My days as a kid were filled with farm work and hauling hay all summer. Most country kids are just plain ole cock strong. Our football team was filled with country boys and was one of the best teams in our schools history. I don't think it is any coincident. Think of how many dudes grew up doing absolutely nothing but playing outside and playing video games. My guess would be a lot of guys on here grew up like I did, working on a farm and lifting weights. I was 180 and benched 300 as a senior. I bet if I really got back into lifting now at 28 I could get to 350/400 pounds.

[Saccopoo]

I never go above 225; no point. Plus, I have ape-like arms, meaning very long reach; makes benching with a barbell very difficult...

Russell Okung didn't seem to have a problem...

Man, we screwed the pooch with that draft pick.

[DaneMcCloud]

LOL. Love the name calling. Good stuff Dane.

I'm not saying you are lying, or anybody in particular is lying. I'm saying that as a whole, the majority of the numbers people are posting as their max are greatly inflated. Some of them are accurate, but it is pretty rare to find as many people in the general male population that are as strong as our sample her in this thread. It's possible I suppose, but extremely unlikely.

I've said this over and over and over to you for years: You REALLY need to get out and travel and see the world. You are SUCH a typical Overland Park, closed minded person.

If you haven't personally witnessed it, you have an inability to believe it's true.

On your next vacation, take a plane to Manhattan, Los Angeles or San Francisco. I think you'll find it to be an eye-opening experience.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

LOL. I guarantee the majority of people in here are lying their ass off. Oh yeah...back in high school or college I did this or that. I had a full ride D1 scholarship to USC and I blew my knee out. Sure you did.

I very RARELY see anybody at the gym that benches over 300. Seems like on Chiefsplanet just about everybody does. Pretty amazing. There are of course guys that do that, and they are regulars that lift all the time and usually few and far between. If what everybody is saying on here is true, just about all of chiefsplanet must have extremely fortunate genetics compared to the world and a statistical anomaly.

I've had countless friends tell me how much they lift, or what they can run the 40 in. I take them to the gym, they put up 100 lbs less than what they say. Or I'll take them to my buddies acceleration camps and they will run a 5.1 when they say they can run a 4.6

Actually, after posting on this thread, my bench just hit 375 and I run a 4.3 flat.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm sure some people are probably lying but I doubt most are. I grew up in SW MO on a large farm. My days as a kid were filled with farm work and hauling hay all summer. Most country kids are just plain ole cock strong. Our football team was filled with country boys and was one of the best teams in our schools history. I don't think it is any coincident. Think of how many dudes grew up doing absolutely nothing but playing outside and playing video games. My guess would be a lot of guys on here grew up like I did, working on a farm and lifting weights. I was 180 and benched 300 as a senior. I bet if I really got back into lifting now at 28 I could get to 350/400 pounds.

Yep, that's the thing.

We started weight training for high school football after 7th grade (summer before 8th grade). As I stated earlier, I wasn't able to get past 225 on the bench in high school (1 rep, just once) for various reasons. I was able to dead lift 405 max and 335 on the squat. But I wasn't finished growing until I was 20 years old.

There were several guys during my high school years that became members of the "Thousand Pound Club", in which you had to do all three lifts (squat, deadlift and bench) in less than one hour. If you were able to meet or exceed 1,000 pounds in those combination of lifts, your name went up on the wall for eternity.

Our team played in three straight state championships and I'm positive that all of that training played a huge role.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

So, you're accusing me of lying because your max is only 295?

JFC.

FTR, I never said I benched 300, I said the last time I benched, I finished my final set of five with 275. I'm sure I could have put up more than 300, but that wasn't my goal.

To be honest, I don't know what my goal was, which is why I stopped altogether. No weight training is required for my job.

Oh and BTW, Dumbshit, there are 20 million people in this city, a city in which there are gyms on every ****ing corner.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that health and training are far more prevalent and important to people in SoCal than in Kansas.

Over react much? Must be all those steroids getting ready for you pilates class.

Now, for the record, I agree with you. I am very sure that more guys care about fitness in SoCal than in Kansas, or where I live, which is Metro Atlanta.

But, isn't there any part of you that is at least a little skeptical about whether these guys actually bench what they say?

[Saccopoo]

Our Pilates Studio uses specific machines designed by Sebastian Lagree. It's different than mat pilates and supposedly tones the body much better than mat pilates will.

The testimonials on our site are amazing. Like "Biggest Loser" results. One of these days, I'll get into it, probably after my daughter's in preschool.

The only and real Pilates are the pilates that use the rack. Joey Pilates was a genius. (Actually, I find it rather interesting that a system developed for rehabilitating injured WWI veterans with an intricate (for the time) piece of machinery has remained as a viable method of training in the 21st century. But then, people also dig the transcendental meditation excercises called yoga.)

Personally, I think it's high time we came up with a new workout philosophy that will be considered hip and cutting edge...oh...wait...didn't somebody just invent that PX-90 garbage?

[DaneMcCloud]

Over react much? Must be all those steroids getting ready for you pilates class.

STFU. BeauWillie and I have been at odds for years, mainly due to his inability to believe anything other than what he's personally experienced (which isn't much). It's none of your business.

Now, for the record, I agree with you. I am very sure that more guys care about fitness in SoCal than in Kansas, or where I live, which is Metro Atlanta.

But, isn't there any part of you that is at least a little skeptical about whether these guys actually bench what they say?

Why would I be skeptical of someone claiming they benched 300? Big deal. I saw it in high school all the time. Hell, I was a 140 pound sophomore weakling that watched a good friend make the 1,000 pound club as a senior on the last day of school in 1982 (he benched 335, FTR) and just two years later, I was 40 pounds short myself.

Some people are naturally strong and have a propensity to easily build muscle mass. Some of the guys here claiming to bench 300 or more may weight 250 pounds, making that feat less impressive.

Either way, I'm hardly skeptical since I've witnessed it my entire life.

Again, big deal.

And steroids? LMAO

No. Never.

[BWillie]

I've said this over and over and over to you for years: You REALLY need to get out and travel and see the world. You are SUCH a typical Overland Park, closed minded person.

If you haven't personally witnessed it, you have an inability to believe it's true.

On your next vacation, take a plane to Manhattan, Los Angeles or San Francisco. I think you'll find it to be an eye-opening experience.

You must have failed to read my posts to you? I've told you many times that I travel about 1-2 months of the year in my job and have traveled before. I've been to Florida. I've been to Texas. I've been to Oregon, Washington, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, South Carolina, Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, Illinois...I'm getting tired of listning them all. I guess you got me on the East Coast. Oh noes!

I fail to see how me questioning every day joes about their one rep bench press max is me being close minded. If anything, you have a close minded view of people, just because they aren't like you or live outside of the midwest. This is just comical. But you usually are. Good stuff. Lets keep this goin' Dane

[Lono]

Yep, that's the thing.

We started weight training for high school football after 7th grade (summer before 8th grade). As I stated earlier, I wasn't able to get past 225 on the bench in high school (1 rep, just once) for various reasons. I was able to dead lift 405 max and 335 on the squat. But I wasn't finished growing until I was 20 years old.

There were several guys during my high school years that became members of the "Thousand Pound Club", in which you had to do all three lifts (squat, deadlift and bench) in less than one hour. If you were able to meet or exceed 1,000 pounds in those combination of lifts, your name went up on the wall for eternity.

Our team played in three straight state championships and I'm positive that all of that training played a huge role.

We had an 800, 900, and 1000 lb club. The lifts were bench, squat, and clean though. We hardly ever did deadlift because it wasn't and still isnt a very good football lift. We did clean because it was more of an explosion and athletic type movement. Which is why it is such a huge lift now in sports programs. (I was horrible at it btw, had bad technique) Think my max was only like 240. Never did make the 1000 lb club. A matter of fact I think there are only 3 kids ever to do it. It takes a huge squat to make it.

[DaneMcCloud]

The only and real Pilates are the pilates that use the rack. Joey Pilates was a genius. (Actually, I find it rather interesting that a system developed for rehabilitating injured WWI veterans with an intricate (for the time) piece of machinery has remained as a viable method of training in the 21st century. But then, people also dig the transcendental meditation excercises called yoga.)

Personally, I think it's high time we came up with a new workout philosophy that will be considered hip and cutting edge...oh...wait...didn't somebody just invent that PX-90 garbage?

Ours is called "Pilates Systeme Dynamique" and is a very effective form of Pilates.

Oh, and I've got a friend that's been doing P90x for the past 14 months that went from looking like a "normal" 200 pound guy to looking like an International Male model that weighs 170.

I don't have the time or will power to go through all of that these days, but it most certainly works.

[TheGuardian]

This thread is full of fail. Every guy on here claiming a 400+ bench, one guy saying if he "just got back into it he could do 350/400" when he's never done that and has no idea how long it takes to go from 350 to 400 for 99% of guys who ever pick up a weight.

I love all of the "used to" mother fuckers. Everyone is a weight room legend in their own mind.

I've never seen a legit 400 high school bench. Legit = bring the bar down, pause it under control on your chest, then press it. High school benches are a drop to the chest, a bounce, then a guy with his ass off the bench. This does not fucking count. High school squats are even worse, with every dipshit claiming they have a 600 pound squatter in high school when none of these bitches ever hit legit depth. EVER.

High school weight room stories make me fucking laugh. Keep em coming.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

STFU. BeauWillie and I have been at odds for years, mainly due to his inability to believe anything other than what he's personally experienced (which isn't much). It's none of your business.

I was joking...sorry to intrude on your very private conversation on a BB. I should have known it was private.



Why would I be skeptical of someone claiming they benched 300? Big deal. I saw it in high school all the time. Hell, I was a 140 pound sophomore weakling that watched a good friend make the 1,000 pound club as a senior on the last day of school in 1982 (he benched 335, FTR) and just two years later, I was 40 pounds short myself.

Some people are naturally strong and have a propensity to easily build muscle mass. Some of the guys here claiming to bench 300 or more may weight 250 pounds, making that feat less impressive.

Either way, I'm hardly skeptical since I've witnessed it my entire life.

Again, big deal.

And steroids? LMAO

No. Never.

I wish that I had more of these guys in person, perhaps I wouldn't be as skeptical.

[DaneMcCloud]

We had an 800, 900, and 1000 lb club. The lifts were bench, squat, and clean though. We hardly ever did deadlift because it wasn't and still isnt a very good football lift. We did clean because it was more of an explosion and athletic type movement. Which is why it is such a huge lift now in sports programs. (I was horrible at it btw, had bad technique) Think my max was only like 240. Never did make the 1000 lb club. A matter of fact I think there are only 3 kids ever to do it. It takes a huge squat to make it.

Yeah, clean would have been brutal.

The way most of the guys made our 1,000 pound club was 250 bench, 350 squat and 400 deadlift. That was pretty attainable, although some guys were weaker on the squat and stronger on the bench.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

This thread is full of fail. Every guy on here claiming a 400+ bench, one guy saying if he "just got back into it he could do 350/400" when he's never done that and has no idea how long it takes to go from 350 to 400 for 99% of guys who ever pick up a weight.

I love all of the "used to" mother ****ers. Everyone is a weight room legend in their own mind.

I've never seen a legit 400 high school bench. Legit = bring the bar down, pause it under control on your chest, then press it. High school benches are a drop to the chest, a bounce, then a guy with his ass off the bench. This does not ****ing count. High school squats are even worse, with every dipshit claiming they have a 600 pound squatter in high school when none of these bitches ever hit legit depth. EVER.

High school weight room stories make me ****ing laugh. Keep em coming.

The thing that I find, is that most guys who actually bench 300 realize what an accomplishment it is. And, when we talk, I hear about how long it took to hit 300 and how hard they had to work to get there.

[DaneMcCloud]

This thread is full of fail. Every guy on here claiming a 400+ bench, one guy saying if he "just got back into it he could do 350/400" when he's never done that and has no idea how long it takes to go from 350 to 400 for 99% of guys who ever pick up a weight.

I love all of the "used to" mother fuckers. Everyone is a weight room legend in their own mind.

I've never seen a legit 400 high school bench. Legit = bring the bar down, pause it under control on your chest, then press it. High school benches are a drop to the chest, a bounce, then a guy with his ass off the bench. This does not fucking count. High school squats are even worse, with every dipshit claiming they have a 600 pound squatter in high school when none of these bitches ever hit legit depth. EVER.

High school weight room stories make me fucking laugh. Keep em coming.

Actually, no. We were required to keep our asses on the bench, no weight belt and no bouncing was allowed.

Again, I had ONE friend that benched 405 and he was a fucking beast. A state championship heavyweight wrestler, all-state noseguard and had the best shuttle time of anyone on our football team. This was a 6A school as well (2,300 kids in our high school).

The second closest I witnessed was my buddy (we reconnected on Facebook last year) that benched 335 to make the 1,000 pound club.

But like I've said over and over and over, weight lifting was extremely important to our lives at our high school. I don't think it was like that at the other Shawnee Mission high schools during that time.

[Saccopoo]

Ours is called "Pilates Systeme Dynamique" and is a very effective form of Pilates.

Oh, and I've got a friend that's been doing P90x for the past 14 months that went from looking like a "normal" 200 pound guy to looking like an International Male model that weighs 170.

I don't have the time or will power to go through all of that these days, but it most certainly works.

You system should be called "Pilates Systeme Daneamique." (BTW - I'm loving the Euroflaire colour of your marketing on that. Very chique.)

I just find the evolution of pilates as a fitness routine interesting. To have Joey, who obviously had some vision and insight, even back in the early 20th century, come up with a machine that was intended to rehabilitate severely injured Huns and have that turn into a viable form of exercise nearly a century later is impressive.

And I'd hope that the PX-90 thing works. I mean if you do it correctly. It reminds me of the Biggest Loser workouts. I think that it was born/adapted from the Gym Jones 300 workouts if I'm not mistaken. (A little crap hole of a gym here in Salt Lake where the actors and stunt guys trained for the movie "300.") Any workout that you push yourself is going to net results. Hell, I can do 20 sets of pushups and pullups in two weeks and see results. (Actually, my best results do come from body weight workouts versus dedicated weight training, especially since I started doing stairs versus wind sprints for the legs.)

[DaneMcCloud]

I wish that I had more of these guys in person, perhaps I wouldn't be as skeptical.

Seriously, it's no big deal. If you eat right and know how train, you should be able to hit 300 hundred on the bench press if you're a mature, male adult. I'd advise that you hire a personal trainer if that's really a goal.

But just keep in the mind the consequences: If you put on a massive amount of muscle mass, if you suddenly stop your regime, there's hell to pay.

And it'll take an enormous amount of cardio to burn it off.

Trust me, I know.

[Tylerthigpen!1!]

Actually, no. We were required to keep our asses on the bench, no weight belt and no bouncing was allowed.

Again, I had ONE friend that benched 405 and he was a fucking beast. A state championship heavyweight wrestler, all-state noseguard and had the best shuttle time of anyone on our football team. This was a 6A school as well (2,300 kids in our high school).

The second closest I witnessed was my buddy (we reconnected on Facebook last year) that benched 335 to make the 1,000 pound club.

But like I've said over and over and over, weight lifting was extremely important to our lives at our high school. I don't think it was like that at the other Shawnee Mission high schools during that time.

Ha shit where did you go to high school? I went to Northwest.

[Lono]

This thread is full of fail. Every guy on here claiming a 400+ bench, one guy saying if he "just got back into it he could do 350/400" when he's never done that and has no idea how long it takes to go from 350 to 400 for 99% of guys who ever pick up a weight.

I love all of the "used to" mother ****ers. Everyone is a weight room legend in their own mind.

I've never seen a legit 400 high school bench. Legit = bring the bar down, pause it under control on your chest, then press it. High school benches are a drop to the chest, a bounce, then a guy with his ass off the bench. This does not ****ing count. High school squats are even worse, with every dipshit claiming they have a 600 pound squatter in high school when none of these bitches ever hit legit depth. EVER.

High school weight room stories make me ****ing laugh. Keep em coming.


Why do I think I could hit 350? How about because when I got 320 I hadn't lifted a weight in over 2 years. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean others cant. I guarantee with my body type I could do it. Would it take me a while sure, probably 6 months of hard lifting. I won't ever do it though because there is really no point in it other than to say, hey i can do 350. Besides skeptics like you would just say, "ur full of crap".

[DaneMcCloud]

Ha shit where did you go to high school? I went to Northwest.

Then you would have seen my friend's names on the wall in the weight room.

:D

[DaneMcCloud]

Why do I think I could hit 350? How about because when I got 320 I hadn't lifted a weight in over 2 years. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean others cant. I guarantee with my body type I could do it. Would it take me a while sure, probably 6 months of hard lifting. I won't ever do it though because there is really no point in it other than to say, hey i can do 350. Besides skeptics like you would just say, "ur full of crap".

What's ironic is that the DoucheTardian claims to have played football past the high school level, yet guys benching 300 is some sort of magical feat?

LMAO

[Lono]

What's ironic is that the DoucheTardian claims to have played football past the high school level, yet guys benching 300 is some sort of magical feat?

LMAO

No doubt, when i got to college I realized I was just a big fish in a small pond in hs. Then i proceeded to drink too much.

[DaneMcCloud]

No doubt, when i got to college I realized I was just a big fish in a small pond in hs. Then i proceeded to drink too much.

Yep. I went to K-State my first year and even though that team was completely horrible (maybe like 1-10 that year), the dudes in the football training room were freaking beasts.

One of the guys went on to play in the USFL for a few years but everyone else sucked.

[MOhillbilly]

No doubt, when i got to college I realized I was just a big fish in a small pond in hs. Then i proceeded to drink too much.

I was on the lifting team in HS and never won shit, never even came close. Hard to do when you have guys doin 1500 pounds plus in three lifts.

[Silock]

you work out at the Y or curves?

LMAO

[Silock]

The guys that are lean and cut are the guys that are using dumbbells with low weight and high reps.

This is not true.

[TheGuardian]

Why do I think I could hit 350? How about because when I got 320 I hadn't lifted a weight in over 2 years. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean others cant. I guarantee with my body type I could do it. Would it take me a while sure, probably 6 months of hard lifting. I won't ever do it though because there is really no point in it other than to say, hey i can do 350. Besides skeptics like you would just say, "ur full of crap".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This post is funny beyond belief for a lot of reasons.

[Silock]

LOL. I guarantee the majority of people in here are lying their ass off. Oh yeah...back in high school or college I did this or that. I had a full ride D1 scholarship to USC and I blew my knee out. Sure you did.

I very RARELY see anybody at the gym that benches over 300. Seems like on Chiefsplanet just about everybody does. Pretty amazing. There are of course guys that do that, and they are regulars that lift all the time and usually few and far between. If what everybody is saying on here is true, just about all of chiefsplanet must have extremely fortunate genetics compared to the world and a statistical anomaly.

I've had countless friends tell me how much they lift, or what they can run the 40 in. I take them to the gym, they put up 100 lbs less than what they say. Or I'll take them to my buddies acceleration camps and they will run a 5.1 when they say they can run a 4.6

The problem is that very few people here realize just how much 300+ lbs actually is.

[vailpass]

A dick-measuring contest? You'll need an official measurer. Where's Draven?

[Silock]

Where do you work out?

I absolutely, guarantee you would see guys lifting over 300 at my gym, 24 Hour Fitness at Arclight AND Gold's Gym on Cole in Hollywood.

And Muscle Beach? 315 is a dumbell to those guys.

Don't even get me started on 24 Hour Fitness in WeHo. That gym is mainly homosexual, and those fucking guys are ripped beyond belief.

I agree that there are certain places where the heavy-hitters congregate.

I just don't think it's THIS FORUM.

[TheGuardian]

What's ironic is that the DoucheTardian claims to have played football past the high school level, yet guys benching 300 is some sort of magical feat?

LMAO

I didn't say 300 I said 400 dumbass.

And don't go calling someone a "tard" when you just wrote that guys that are lean and cut are using light weights and high reps. That's retarded to a degree that is hard to describe. Your bodyfat level has nothing to do with what you're doing with dumbbells. Your diet and conditioning say the degree of bodyfat you're going to be carrying dumbass. If you're going to comment about this shit try to have a clue.

[Brock]

The problem is that very few people here realize just how much 300+ lbs actually is.

What do you mean by that?

On topic, I never went above 225 because 225 made my joints hurt. I don't press with a barbell anymore anyway.

[Lono]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This post is funny beyond belief for a lot of reasons.

I bet you were always a second team kid whose mommy and daddy's called the coaches all the time complaining you didn't get enough playing time.

[BigCatDaddy]

The problem is that very few people here realize just how much 300+ lbs actually is.

I remember when I started lifting at "The Gym" in St. Joseph about 10 years ago. A 300lb bench was required if you didn't want to feel like an out of place bitch. Dozens of dudes throwing up 400 and I actually spotted some dude doing like 550Lb. Of course there was some chemical assistance going around back in those days.

[TheGuardian]

I agree that there are certain places where the heavy-hitters congregate.

I just don't think it's THIS FORUM.

you mean where a guy who doesn't lift weights can hit 320 on a whim and everyone and their two cousins can bench 400? Yeah no shit.

[TheGuardian]

I bet you were always a second team kid whose mommy and daddy's called the coaches all the time complaining you didn't get enough playing time.

Yes you've got me pegged down Bill Kazmaier Jr.

[Lono]

you mean where a guy who doesn't lift weights can hit 320 on a whim and everyone and their two cousins can bench 400? Yeah no shit.

I'm guessing you have never worked on a farm or hauled hay. Hauling hay is better than any workout you could ever dream up. Crawl back into your selfrighteous douche hole.

[Silock]

I'm guessing you have never worked on a farm or hauled hay. Hauling hay is better than any workout you could ever dream up. Crawl back into your selfrighteous douche hole.

Hey, I'm not knocking the guys that put in serious physical labor every day. You've got to be a special kind of strong to do that kind of work.

But that's not even close to a majority of this forum.

[DaneMcCloud]

This is not true.

The guys working out with the trainers in Hollywood are doing exactly that: High reps with dumbells and lower weight (and when I mean lower weight, I mean 60 pound dumbells and not 225 on the rack).

I know enough about personnel trainers (especially since we employ 20 at this point) to speak confidently on this subject.

[TheGuardian]

I'm guessing you have never worked on a farm or hauled hay. Hauling hay is better than any workout you could ever dream up. Crawl back into your selfrighteous douche hole.

OMG I grew up on a farm and worked on one until I was 18 years old and left for college.

I had a lot of skinny ass friends who bailed hay all the time, and while it does build a working level of strength not found in white collar guys behind a desk, it doesn't have anything to do with bench pressing.

[DaneMcCloud]

I didn't say 300 I said 400 dumbass.

And don't go calling someone a "tard" when you just wrote that guys that are lean and cut are using light weights and high reps. That's retarded to a degree that is hard to describe. Your bodyfat level has nothing to do with what you're doing with dumbbells. Your diet and conditioning say the degree of bodyfat you're going to be carrying dumbass. If you're going to comment about this shit try to have a clue.

Like you're an expert on ANYTHING other than being retarded.

STFU.

[TheGuardian]

The guys working out with the trainers in Hollywood are doing exactly that: High reps with dumbells and lower weight (and when I mean lower weight, I mean 60 pound dumbells and not 225 on the rack).

I know enough about personnel trainers (especially since we employ 20 at this point) to speak confidently on this subject.

This is like saying that "if you play basketball it will make you tall" because you watch the NBA.

The most ripped guys walking the face of the planet are bodybuilders and the majority of them train as heavy as possible. Training light with high reps does not make you leaner. Eating less and doing cardio does. So no you don't have enough knowledge to speak confidently on this subject.

You take a guy and feed him 7 thousand calories a day and let him use light dumbbells for high reps. You think he'll be leaner or fatter in 6 months? Yes, you are an idiot on this subject. You lift weights to increase muscular size and strength. Abs are made in the kitchen.

[Lono]

OMG I grew up on a farm and worked on one until I was 18 years old and left for college.

I had a lot of skinny ass friends who bailed hay all the time, and while it does build a working level of strength not found in white collar guys behind a desk, it doesn't have anything to do with bench pressing.

I had skinny friends who hauled hay also and they were much stronger than the other skinny kids who did nothing. If you can't see how it would make you have a much stronger core which in turn helps your lifts than there is no reason to continue the discussion with you.

[Silock]

The guys working out with the trainers in Hollywood are doing exactly that: High reps with dumbells and lower weight (and when I mean lower weight, I mean 60 pound dumbells and not 225 on the rack).

I know enough about personnel trainers (especially since we employ 20 at this point) to speak confidently on this subject.

Well, that's not what makes someone lean and cut. Being lean and cut is far more about diet than it is about lifting light weights a bunch of times.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3343916

"VO2max, body weight, and percent body fat did not change in either of these groups."

[TheGuardian]

I had skinny friends who hauled hay also and they were much stronger than the other skinny kids who did nothing. If you can't see how it would make you have a much stronger core which in turn helps your lifts than there is no reason to continue the discussion with you.

I think I said that. Hauling hay will build strength for hauling hay. Not benching pressing.

[DaneMcCloud]

I agree that there are certain places where the heavy-hitters congregate.

I just don't think it's THIS FORUM.

Just how many people here have claimed to bench more than 300 pounds?

I think I've only seen a couple.

The level of skepticism around here is ridiculous, although certainly understandable from my POV because so many people initially thought that I was lying about living in the Hollywood Hills or that TinyEvel wrote "Wingman" for the Coors Light campaign.

:shake:

[MOhillbilly]

The problem is that very few people here realize just how much 300+ lbs actually is.

dedication is important no doubt but good genetics is the key.

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, that's not what makes someone lean and cut. Being lean and cut is far more about diet than it is about lifting light weights a bunch of times.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3343916

"VO2max, body weight, and percent body fat did not change in either of these groups."

It's a combination. Some people have the propensity to build long, lean muscle mass naturally and some people, no matter how they diet or exercise, just can't do it with certain regimens.

As I mentioned earlier, you can put on a ton of strength and bulk with the Bigger, Faster, Stronger method but you're highly unlikely for it to be lean mass, regardless of diet.

There is no ONE way to do it.

[MOhillbilly]

Just how many people here have claimed to bench more than 300 pounds?

I think I've only seen a couple.

The level of skepticism around here is ridiculous, although certainly understandable from my POV because so many people initially thought that I was lying about living in the Hollywood Hills or that TinyEvel wrote "Wingman" for the Coors Light campaign.

:shake:

its because they hate you. the genius of the crowd if you like..

[Silock]

Just how many people here have claimed to bench more than 300 pounds?

Without going back through the thread, it's probably at least 8. I could be wrong, but there seemed to be quite a few.

The level of skepticism around here is ridiculous

Hey, I worked in the music industry in Nashville, but if I went around claiming a bunch of stuff about it, you'd be skeptical without proof, wouldn't you?

[DaneMcCloud]

This is like saying that "if you play basketball it will make you tall" because you watch the NBA.

The most ripped guys walking the face of the planet are bodybuilders and the majority of them train as heavy as possible. Training light with high reps does not make you leaner. Eating less and doing cardio does. So no you don't have enough knowledge to speak confidently on this subject.

You take a guy and feed him 7 thousand calories a day and let him use light dumbbells for high reps. You think he'll be leaner or fatter in 6 months? Yes, you are an idiot on this subject. You lift weights to increase muscular size and strength. Abs are made in the kitchen.

You are such a fucking moron that it's shocking.

I'm not talking about bodybuilding, dumbass. I'm talking about being 6'0, 175 pounds of lean muscle mass. Not weight lifting competitively.

[Son of Logical]

I really think people that don't believe it was possible for a bunch of these guys to do heavy lifting back in high school aren't thinking about the different weight of each individual. In high school as a junior I was 258 and I benched 315 max, and was part of the 1000 pound club "Iron Titans" for my school. For our club it was bench, clean, and squat. Say there were 45 kids on my football team, from what I remember 10 of us were Iron Titans. 4 of us were on the o-line, 3 from the d-line, 2 linebackers, and 1 fullback. I can honestly say with out a doubt I was at my strongest when I was 17. For a lot of people the time commitment to lift that kind of weight was only available during high school years. Almost all of us lifted 8 times a week 5 days with 3 of those days with a morning and afternoon lift. My coach videoed us lifting and I am sure there are other coaches that did/do the same, I bet if these doubters went to youtube you could find a bunch of videos. Is there a chance some people are lying? Sure there is, but to have the opinion no way is it possible, is just stupid.

[Lono]

I think I said that. Hauling hay will build strength for hauling hay. Not benching pressing.

That's where you're wrong. It strengthens your core. I listened to Missouri State's strength and conditioning coach earlier this year and he talked about how they tried to strengthen their core to help with lifts. I'm sure you are right though and he is wrong. The more you speak the more I think you just like to argue.

[Silock]

It's a combination. Some people have the propensity to build long, lean muscle mass naturally and some people, no matter how they diet or exercise, just can't do it with certain regimens.

Some, yes. But most people are not special, no matter how much they want to consider themselves to be. Most people fall squarely into the middle of the bell curve, and what works for 85% of people will work for them.

As I mentioned earlier, you can put on a ton of strength and bulk with the Bigger, Faster, Stronger method but you're highly unlikely for it to be lean mass, regardless of diet.

Being lean is simply a matter of calories, not how you train. The bulk/fat isn't going to come out of thin air. Diet is certainly not irrelevant.

There is no ONE way to do it.

I didn't say there was ONE way to do it. I said that being lean and cut is about diet, not weights. Multiple scientific studies show this to be true.

[DaneMcCloud]

Without going back through the thread, it's probably at least 8. I could be wrong, but there seemed to be quite a few.



Hey, I worked in the music industry in Nashville, but if I went around claiming a bunch of stuff about it, you'd be skeptical without proof, wouldn't you?

No, probably not. Well, not unless you were making a bunch of ridiculous and inaccurate claims.

[Silock]

No, probably not. Well, not unless you were making a bunch of ridiculous and inaccurate claims.

Well, I guess what constitutes a ridiculous claim might vary from person to person.

[DaneMcCloud]

Being lean is simply a matter of calories, not how you train. The bulk/fat isn't going to come out of thin air. Diet is certainly not irrelevant.

And I disagree, from personal experience.

I've tried eating a bazillion calories a day recommended by a nutritionist and trainer and it didn't work. The only way I've been able to stay super lean is by eating very little and doing a sick amount of cardio. I'm talking less than a 1,000 calories per day, no alcohol, 60 miles a week cycling and another 10 miles walking.

After five years of doing that (from age 37 to 42), I said "Fuck that". I gained about 20 pounds (and have kept it there) but I'm way happier now that I can eat and drink. And I don't even overeat, I just eat normally.

Genetics play a HUGE role in your body type.

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, I guess what constitutes a ridiculous claim might vary from person to person.

Well, as someone that spent more than a decade in Universal and Paramount's music divisions, I'd be able to tell immediately.

[Blick]

I've lifted sporadically during college and I've seen plenty of guys do 3 plates at the rec at K-State.

I don't think it's ridiculous that guys on a football forum who are interested in sports, competition, and lifting can put up more weight than the normal population.

[vailpass]

Well, as someone that spent more than a decade in Universal and Paramount's music divisions, I'd be able to tell immediately.

Could I please have a urine sample?
To drink, not to test.

[Silock]

And I disagree, from personal experience.

I've tried eating a bazillion calories a day recommended by a nutritionist and trainer and it didn't work. The only way I've been able to stay super lean is by eating very little and doing a sick amount of cardio. I'm talking less than a 1,000 calories per day, no alcohol, 60 miles a week cycling and another 10 miles walking.

I think we're saying the same thing and you just don't realize it. How in the world can anyone expect to be lean by eating more calories than they burn? That's just silly.

That being said, you don't need to eat a bazillion calories to gain muscle mass and get stronger.

You don't even need to do the cardio to stay "super lean." You can get very low body fat without stepping foot in a gym at all. It's all about calories in vs. calories out. As long as you can control how much you eat, staying lean won't be a problem. Obviously, more exercise equals more calories burned = easier to stay lean. However, lots of cardio has been proven to cause carbohydrate cravings, which, if you can't control, will offset any calories burned through exercise. Takes a lot of discipline.

Genetics play a HUGE role in your body type.

Yes, but it's calories in vs. calories out that determine how lean you are.

[Son of Logical]

And I disagree, from personal experience.

I've tried eating a bazillion calories a day recommended by a nutritionist and trainer and it didn't work. The only way I've been able to stay super lean is by eating very little and doing a sick amount of cardio. I'm talking less than a 1,000 calories per day, no alcohol, 60 miles a week cycling and another 10 miles walking.

After five years of doing that (from age 37 to 42), I said "**** that". I gained about 20 pounds (and have kept it there) but I'm way happier now that I can eat and drink. And I don't even overeat, I just eat normally.

Genetics play a HUGE role in your body type.

I gotta agree with Dane on this one, my trainer told me that I needed to eat at least 2300 calories combined with a high rep workout, and all I did was gain weight. He told me his plan because it is commonly thought to work, but for me it didn't. For me to lean down I have to be around 1250-1400 calories a day, and if I am not I naturally stay around 230-240, and that is not eating crappy that is eat normal food equaling 2000 calories a day. Some body types just hang on to fat more then others.

[DaneMcCloud]

Could I please have a urine sample?
To drink, not to test.

Are you low on B12 too?

:D

[Silock]

Well, as someone that spent more than a decade in Universal and Paramount's music divisions, I'd be able to tell immediately.

So, surely you realize that someone who has spent their entire life lifting and studying this could tell the same thing about wild weightlifting claims, yes?

[TheGuardian]

And I disagree, from personal experience.

OMG it doesn't matter if you agree. Physiology science says you are wrong dumbass.

You can train with heavy ass weights and be skinny as hell. Or you can train with light weights and high reps and look bulky. Calories, or lack of, make you leaner. There is no such thing as building "long lean muscles". Muscle length is determined as soon as the sperm hits the egg dumbass. It's a genetic code property. The cross section, length, insertion point all have ZERO to do with training. Just like you can't "tone" you either build muscle, it stays the same, or you atrophy.

The shit you have posted on here is beyond dumb and hilarious and you would get laughed out of any room filled with guys who know and understand this shit, by saying the shit you say.

[Silock]

I gotta agree with Dane on this one, my trainer told me that I needed to eat at least 2300 calories combined with a high rep workout, and all I did was gain weight.

Your trainer was a moron. Of course you gained weight.

[vailpass]

Are you low on B12 too?

:D

:D

You lucky, lucky bastard.
BRIAN: What?
BEN: Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we?
BRIAN: What do you mean?
BEN: You must have slipped him a few shekels, eh?
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BEN: Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang
awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face.
BRIAN: Well, it's not exactly friendly, is it? They had me in manacles!
BEN: Manacles! Ooh oooh oh oh. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be
put in manacles... just for a few hours. They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny.
BRIAN: Oh, lay off me. I've had a hard time!
BEN: You've had a hard time?! I've been here five years! They only hung me
the right way up yesterday! So, don't you come 'rou--
BRIAN: All right. All right.
BEN: They must think you're Lord God Almighty.
BRIAN: What will they do to me?
BEN: Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion.

[DaneMcCloud]

So, surely you realize that someone who has spent their entire life lifting and studying this could tell the same thing about wild weightlifting claims, yes?

No. I've seen with my own eyes, going back to high school, college and at the local gyms.

Unlike you, I don't think a 300 pound bench press is all that impressive.

[Silock]

No. I've seen with my own eyes, going back to high school, college and at the local gyms.

Unlike you, I don't think a 300 pound bench press is all that impressive.

I didn't say it was impressive. I'm simply skeptical of the number of guys here who don't work out that claim they can just go into a gym and throw up 3 plates plus.

[vailpass]

Can anyone here do one cock pushup?
Just one?

[DaneMcCloud]

OMG it doesn't matter if you agree. Physiology science says you are wrong dumbass.

You can train with heavy ass weights and be skinny as hell. Or you can train with light weights and high reps and look bulky. Calories, or lack of, make you leaner. There is no such thing as building "long lean muscles". Muscle length is determined as soon as the sperm hits the egg dumbass. It's a genetic code property. The cross section, length, insertion point all have ZERO to do with training. Just like you can't "tone" you either build muscle, it stays the same, or you atrophy.

The shit you have posted on here is beyond dumb and hilarious and you would get laughed out of any room filled with guys who know and understand this shit, by saying the shit you say.

Considering the fact that you think that a 300 pound bench press is nearly unattainable, I'd say that you don't know jack fucking shit, as usual.

And as for your claim, LMAO.

[Son of Logical]

Your trainer was a moron. Of course you gained weight.

Well at least I am not the only one that thought that. lol To be fair though I was at 260 and I was burning a lot of calories, but still it didn't work at all. When I suggested I needed to do cardio instead of lift, he practically went unglued. He said it was all about calories in and calories out, (which I understand), and I was going to put myself in "starvation mode" if I went below those calories. I don't know, it still didn't work, and doing the cardio took the weight off in 3 months. So I went with the different approaches work for different people.

[DaneMcCloud]

Can anyone here do one cock pushup?
Just one?

Well, I used to but...

[DaneMcCloud]

I didn't say it was impressive. I'm simply skeptical of the number of guys here who don't work out that claim they can just go into a gym and throw up 3 plates plus.

Who said that?

[Silock]

Well at least I am not the only one that thought that. lol To be fair though I was at 260 and I was burning a lot of calories, but still it didn't work at all. When I suggested I needed to do cardio instead of lift, he practically went unglued. He said it was all about calories in and calories out, (which I understand), and I was going to put myself in "starvation mode" if I went below those calories. I don't know, it still didn't work, and doing the cardio took the weight off in 3 months. So I went with the different approaches work for different people.

You didn't need to do cardio. Weight lifting is more effective at burning calories than cardio is. What you needed to do was simply eat less.

The starvation mode stuff is total horseshit. As long as you have body fat to spare, you won't hit "starvation mode."

It IS all about calories in vs. calories out. However you achieve that, whether it's eating less, doing a shitload of cardio or lifting, or all of the above, is up to you.

[TheGuardian]

Considering the fact that you think that a 300 pound bench press is nearly unattainable, I'd say that you don't know jack ****ing shit, as usual.

And as for your claim, LMAO.

Since your reading comprehension appears to be poor I will repeat myself on that one.

It was 400 not 300. and I never said it wasn't attainable, I just laughed at the number of ass clowns in here who either claimed they did it/could do it or have multiple friends and family members who can do it.

Now, shut the fuck up idiot.

[Silock]

Who said that?

There's been more than one, and even one is enough to make me skeptical without seeing a shred of proof.

[Silock]

Considering the fact that you think that a 300 pound bench press is nearly unattainable, I'd say that you don't know jack fucking shit, as usual.

And as for your claim, LMAO.

Well, his personal attacks at you aside, the things he posted are correct.

[DaneMcCloud]

Since your reading comprehension appears to be poor I will repeat myself on that one.

It was 400 not 300. and I never said it wasn't attainable, I just laughed at the number of ass clowns in here who either claimed they did it/could do it or have multiple friends and family members who can do it.

Now, shut the fuck up idiot.

I'll never shut up, DoucheTardian.

And your comments in this thread really lead me to believe that all of your claims of playing organized football beyond high school are false.

I didn't play but had several friends that played at Butler, Coffeyville and other major universities. I visited these friends, worked out with them, etc. I find it hard to believe that if you played beyond the high school level that you'd think that even a 350 pound bench press was unusual, especially when you take into account that offensive and defensive lineman are routinely a minimum of 250 pounds (if not far more).

It just doesn't make sense, but then again, neither to 99% of your posts.

[Son of Logical]

I didn't say it was impressive. I'm simply skeptical of the number of guys here who don't work out that claim they can just go into a gym and throw up 3 plates plus.

I think you are dead on correct there are very few people that could just not lift and throw up 315. There are a small percentage of people that can do that though. Some people are just freaks, those guys that are all muscled out that never lift. Genetics are really good to some people. I think only 1 guy said he didn't lift and he just randomly put up 320, its possible.

[Lono]

Who said that?

They are talking about me because I said I jumped down on the bench after not lifting for 2 years and threw up 320. I don't care if they believe me or not. It happened in a weight room full of people during our teams friday night lift off. I'm 5'8 240 now, was about 220 then. I doubt I could do it now because I do zero physical activity now. I am short with short arms and a barrell chest. My body type was made to bench.

[Silock]

I think you are dead on correct there are very few people that could just not lift and throw up 315. There are a small percentage of people that can do that though. Some people are just freaks, those guys that are all muscled out that never lift. Genetics are really good to some people. I think only 1 guy said he didn't lift and he just randomly put up 320, its possible.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just skeptical.

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, his personal attacks at you aside, the things he posted are correct.

FOR SOME PEOPLE.

Some people can hit the gym and build muscle mass on a whim. Some can workout for years and never reach a certain level of strength or mass, regardless of their methods.

Some people have to do an enormous amount of cardio versus carb and caloric intake to be lean and some people can eat 4,000 calories per day and be bone skinny.

All of this goes far beyond a few simple rules.

[Silock]

They are talking about me because I said I jumped down on the bench after not lifting for 2 years and threw up 320. I don't care if they believe me or not. It happened in a weight room full of people during our teams friday night lift off. I'm 5'8 240 now, was about 220 then. I doubt I could do it now because I do zero physical activity now. I am short with short arms and a barrell chest. My body type was made to bench.

I don't want you to take it as a personal attack or anything. You're not the only one, either. If you did it, then that's awesome and my hat is off to you, good sir. I just take everything claimed on the internet with a grain of salt unless I see proof.

[Hootie]

I loathed lifting weights in high school...

and in all reality, I've only really spent about a year total, in my life, lifting weights...

I can basically lift my body weight...around 200-215...one time...and that's it. I do have really long arms...but like I said...I never really cared so much about lifting weights...

I have no idea what being able to bench 400 lbs. does for a person...I was a three sport athlete in high school and had 9 varsity letters when I graduated...I can legitimately throw a baseball 80-83 MPH (and it absolutely baffles me that there are guys out there that can throw 100 because 80 MPH is FUCKING fast...)

I'm not even sure I get the point of trying to max out your bench if you aren't a football player...it literally makes no sense to me.

At no point in my life...and I really only cared about basketball and baseball in high school...do I think a bench press would have made me a better athlete...

I was 6'1" 150 lbs. as a sophomore in high school and I made all-conference hitting .370 against FULLY grown men...and I doubt I could even lift 95 lbs. at that point in my life...I didn't start growing facial hair until I was 19-20 years old...

and when I go the gym these days...I think the fuckers that are roided out of their mind throwing up 3 or 4 45's on each side of the bar and grunting louder than someone passing a kidney stone are hideous individuals...

I have no idea why anyone would want to look like that...

My roommate Sean is a fitness buff...is a personal trainer and has his degree in that field...he literally works out every day of the week and is a good looking, strong guy...but he purposely doesn't lift to put on mass...because he's a normal fucking person who doesn't want to look like a total meathead idiot.

[TheGuardian]

I'll never shut up, DoucheTardian.

And your comments in this thread really lead me to believe that all of your claims of playing organized football beyond high school are false.

I didn't play but had several friends that played at Butler, Coffeyville and other major universities. I visited these friends, worked out with them, etc. I find it hard to believe that if you played beyond the high school level that you'd think that even a 350 pound bench press was unusual, especially when you take into account that offensive and defensive lineman are routinely a minimum of 250 pounds (if not far more).

It just doesn't make sense, but then again, neither to 99% of your posts.

Wow, for the third time.

I never said 300 I never said 350. I said 400, under control, no bounce, no ass off the bench. Lots of guys bounce press 330-350 whatever. Some even bounce press 400. VERY VERY few can bench 400 under control. You need to learn how to fucking read and understand what you're reading.

[Lono]

I don't want you to take it as a personal attack or anything. You're not the only one, either. If you did it, then that's awesome and my hat is off to you, good sir. I just take everything claimed on the internet with a grain of salt unless I see proof.

Np, I'm not really taking it as a personal attack. It's not like it matters. The only thing that mattered was drinking that gatorade our lb had to buy me after I beat him.

[Silock]

Some people can hit the gym and build muscle mass on a whim. Some can workout for years and never reach a certain level of strength or mass, regardless of their methods.

And those people are in a small minority.

Some people have to do an enormous amount of cardio versus carb and caloric intake to be lean and some people can eat 4,000 calories per day and be bone skinny.

To the first part: No, they don't, but they may think they have to if they cannot control their portions. It is simply a matter of calories in vs. calories out. The body will use excess body fat if it is in a caloric deficit. That's why evolution gave us the ability to store fat in the first place.

The people eating 4,000 calories per day and staying skinny are either large people with big internal organs, or they do a lot of stuff that keeps them active, or they don't eat 4,000 calories every day, or it's a combination of all of those things.

All of this goes far beyond a few simple rules.

I trust science. There hasn't been a single study on calories in vs. calories out that shows it to be untrue for anyone, regardless of body type.

[Saulbadguy]

I know enough about personnel trainers (especially since we employ 20 at this point) to speak confidently on this subject.

Those HR reps can be bitches, let me tells ya.

[Son of Logical]

They are talking about me because I said I jumped down on the bench after not lifting for 2 years and threw up 320. I don't care if they believe me or not. It happened in a weight room full of people during our teams friday night lift off. I'm 5'8 240 now, was about 220 then. I doubt I could do it now because I do zero physical activity now. I am short with short arms and a barrell chest. My body type was made to bench.

With those types of measurements I wouldn't surprised you did it at all, that is like the "perfect" bench press build.

[Valiant]

I think you are dead on correct there are very few people that could just not lift and throw up 315. There are a small percentage of people that can do that though. Some people are just freaks, those guys that are all muscled out that never lift. Genetics are really good to some people. I think only 1 guy said he didn't lift and he just randomly put up 320, its possible.

Or some of those concrete workers.. My uncle is one, no idea what he benches, but he is ripped for his age.. Might be him carrying 80lb bags in each arm.. Shit I grabbed two 40lb dirt bags over my shoulder out of my truck and was tired as shit after walking 150 or so feet after a couple of trips..

[TheGuardian]

And those people are in a small minority.



To the first part: No, they don't, but they may think they have to if they cannot control their portions. It is simply a matter of calories in vs. calories out. The body will use excess body fat if it is in a caloric deficit. That's why evolution gave us the ability to store fat in the first place.

The people eating 4,000 calories per day and staying skinny are either large people with big internal organs, or they do a lot of stuff that keeps them active, or they don't eat 4,000 calories every day, or it's a combination of all of those things.



I trust science. There hasn't been a single study on calories in vs. calories out that shows it to be untrue for anyone, regardless of body type.

Right. It actually IS just a few simple rules. You want to gain mass, figure out your BMR, then the amount of calories you spend on activity, then add about 500 a day to that.

You want to lose? Take in 300-500 fewer calories than you use each day. It's not complicated and yet dumbasses like Dane fill the internet with drivel like this.

You can eat blueberry pie for each meal every day and lose weight, so long as it's fewer than your maintenance level in calories. It's hard to believe people still spout off the dumb shit Dane is in this thread.

[Hootie]

I'm 6'2" 210 lbs. and can basically max my body weight...

I play pick up hoops at the Arc against college kids all of the time...athletic college kids...some that can probably bench a lot more than me...

I am so much better than the majority of them/stronger with the ball/can basically do whatever I want since I play like a guard but am generally one of the bigger guys...

It's just laughable to me that people put so much in bench press...I have always been a naturally gifted athlete...I put very little work into it in high school and was just always good at anything...I just don't know how bench press translates to anything in sports other than being a lineman in football...

Kevin Durant is as physical as anyone and gets to the line more than anyone and he couldn't get 185 one time coming out of Texas...

It always makes me laugh so much that people measure their dick size by how much they can bench press...

I was the 4th or 5th best athlete in my class and other than the kid who was throwing up 335 (and this kid was a FREAK FB who has records in the state of Illinois and was named to the all-decade team in our area this past year)...no one bench pressed for shit...

It's just another way for people to cover something up the majority of the time if you ask me...I would NEVER want to be able to lift 300+ lbs...it doesn't make any sense to me.

My friend Luke used to be a pretty thin guy...a real good high school basketball player...could have walked on at Iowa...his girlfriend broke up with him and he just decided to get fucking JACKED...worked out every day...fucking got HUGE...

and he said it himself...did it to get back at his girlfriend...

It's like the guys who try to get that big are trying to make up for somewhere they lack in life...

like the dudes on this site who can throw further than Matt Hasselbeck or the people in this thread who were repping 400+ in high school...

I'd like to meet these superior athletes and play some pickup hoops or flag football or something...just so I can see it for myself.

[Hootie]

and seriously...

professional bodybuilders are disgusting human beings...

WHO in god's name wants to bronze themselves up and look like that?

I'd rather fuck a tranny than a female bodybuilder...and I don't like chicks with dicks...at all.

[Saccopoo]

Just how many people here have claimed to bench more than 300 pounds?

I think I've only seen a couple.

I can.

I'd actually be embarrassed to bench 300 in the gym. Can you imagine putting on two plates, two 35 lbs. and two 2.5's on a bar? I mean, seriously - two 2.5's just to get 300 lb.? Oh, the humanity!

The question shouldn't be can you bench 300, it's if you bench 300 do you feel like a complete pussy because you didn't just man up and throw three plates a side on the bar and jack it up.

I mean really - two 2.5's? That's fucking embarrassing, even on the intranets.

[BWillie]

I loathed lifting weights in high school...

and in all reality, I've only really spent about a year total, in my life, lifting weights...

I can basically lift my body weight...around 200-215...one time...and that's it. I do have really long arms...but like I said...I never really cared so much about lifting weights...

I have no idea what being able to bench 400 lbs. does for a person...I was a three sport athlete in high school and had 9 varsity letters when I graduated...I can legitimately throw a baseball 80-83 MPH (and it absolutely baffles me that there are guys out there that can throw 100 because 80 MPH is ****ING fast...)

I'm not even sure I get the point of trying to max out your bench if you aren't a football player...it literally makes no sense to me.

At no point in my life...and I really only cared about basketball and baseball in high school...do I think a bench press would have made me a better athlete...

I was 6'1" 150 lbs. as a sophomore in high school and I made all-conference hitting .370 against FULLY grown men...and I doubt I could even lift 95 lbs. at that point in my life...I didn't start growing facial hair until I was 19-20 years old...

and when I go the gym these days...I think the ****ers that are roided out of their mind throwing up 3 or 4 45's on each side of the bar and grunting louder than someone passing a kidney stone are hideous individuals...

I have no idea why anyone would want to look like that...

My roommate Sean is a fitness buff...is a personal trainer and has his degree in that field...he literally works out every day of the week and is a good looking, strong guy...but he purposely doesn't lift to put on mass...because he's a normal ****ing person who doesn't want to look like a total meathead idiot.

Well it depends on your body type and bone structure. If you are an ectomorph, you are going to spend your entire life lifting heaving and needing more rest. If you an an endomorph, you can spend your entire life needing to limit your caloric intake, make sure you are eating the right carbs/protein/fat %, and when you lift heavy you probably gain weight rather easily. Then there are mesomorphs, who are assholes, because they can f*ck off at the gym, eat what they want, and seem to be strong and slim w/out much effort. But let me assure you, there aren't very many pure mesomorphs. You'll see alot of guys that have some mesomorphic characteristics. Alot of times they'll have huge arms, and since they gain muscle rather easily w/ out having to take in a ton of fat, they slack off and can still look pretty good at least w/ a shirt on. Almost everybody is a combination though.

[DaneMcCloud]

And those people are in a small minority.



Maybe you don't hang around enough Sicilian Goomba's such as myself.

:D

I am lean but let me tell you, at age 44, it takes a Herculean effort. If I wanted to be even leaner (32" waist versus 34"), it would basically take all of the joy out of life and is not worth it.

Also, being barrel chested with a small waist is not much fun. I pretty much have to go to custom clothes shops because items off the rack make me look "boxy".

It blows.

[Silock]

Maybe you don't hang around enough Sicilian Goomba's such as myself.

:D

I am lean but let me tell you, at age 44, it takes a Herculean effort. If I wanted to be even leaner (32" waist versus 34"), it would basically take all of the joy out of life and is not worth it.

Also, being barrel chested with a small waist is not much fun. I pretty much have to go to custom clothes shops because items off the rack make me look "boxy".

It blows.

Perhaps you should try intermittent fasting :) Takes a lot of the pressure off of eating strictly all the time, and allows you to stay pretty thin.

johnbarban.com

That guy has a few pics on his site, and does DAYS worth of intermittent fasting. And he's still incredibly jacked.

[Hootie]

Well it depends on your body type and bone structure. If you are an ectomorph, you are going to spend your entire life lifting heaving and needing more rest. If you an an endomorph, you can spend your entire life needing to limit your caloric intake, make sure you are eating the right carbs/protein/fat %, and when you lift heavy you probably gain weight rather easily. Then there are mesomorphs, who are assholes, because they can f*ck off at the gym, eat what they want, and seem to be strong and slim w/out much effort. But let me assure you, there aren't very many pure mesomorphs. You'll see alot of guys that have some mesomorphic characteristics. Alot of times they'll have huge arms, and since they gain muscle rather easily w/ out having to take in a ton of fat, they slack off and can still look pretty good at least w/ a shirt on. Almost everybody is a combination though.

I don't know what the fuck any of that means...

I look like I could probably throw up a ton of weight if you look at the way I am built...

but like I said...I haven't tried to max for years and do my reps with 185...I doubt I could max more than 210-225...

My friend Sean can do sets of 10 of 225...and he works out religiously...he's the dude that purposely doesn't lift to get "jacked"...anyone who is lifting to want to put up 400 lbs...for no other reason than being able to do it...must be lacking somewhere else in life...

[DaneMcCloud]

Right. It actually IS just a few simple rules. You want to gain mass, figure out your BMR, then the amount of calories you spend on activity, then add about 500 a day to that.

You want to lose? Take in 300-500 fewer calories than you use each day. It's not complicated and yet dumbasses like Dane fill the internet with drivel like this.

You can eat blueberry pie for each meal every day and lose weight, so long as it's fewer than your maintenance level in calories. It's hard to believe people still spout off the dumb shit Dane is in this thread.

You have absolutely no credibility in this forum. I can't even believe you continue to post.

[BigCatDaddy]

My friend Sean can do sets of 10 of 225...and he works out religiously...he's the dude that purposely doesn't lift to get "jacked"...anyone who is lifting to want to put up 400 lbs...for no other reason than being able to do it...must be lacking somewhere else in life...

What's wrong with setting goals and trying to see what your body can do? I'll never be able to do it, but if someone wants to test their limits god bless them.

[DaneMcCloud]

Perhaps you should try intermittent fasting :) Takes a lot of the pressure off of eating strictly all the time, and allows you to stay pretty thin.

johnbarban.com

That guy has a few pics on his site, and does DAYS worth of intermittent fasting. And he's still incredibly jacked.

Dude, I get dizzy if I don't eat enough as it is.

I was walking my labs yesterday on our 3.5 mile walk in the hills (granted, it was 82 degrees) and forgot to eat a protein bar before we left. I almost didn't think I was going to make it home. I was so freakin' dizzy.

With that said, I can fully understand how that could work for me but I just don't think I could do it. Again, at age 44 and with as much cardio as I do, I'm about as lean as I'm going to get (6'1, 210).

And I don't eat bread. I'm allergic.

[Hootie]

maybe I'm not taking into account all of the overweight people that lift weights...

I suppose if you weight 300+ and need to bench 400, that makes sense...

[BWillie]

I don't know what the **** any of that means...

I look like I could probably throw up a ton of weight if you look at the way I am built...

but like I said...I haven't tried to max for years and do my reps with 185...I doubt I could max more than 210-225...

My friend Sean can do sets of 10 of 225...and he works out religiously...he's the dude that purposely doesn't lift to get "jacked"...anyone who is lifting to want to put up 400 lbs...for no other reason than being able to do it...must be lacking somewhere else in life...

I don't focus on my max as being a testament to anything or my main goal. That would be powerlifting. But for me, and most ectomorphs, we are generally required to lift heavier to be able to put on muscle while eating alot of calories. I'd say my maintenance is 3800-4200 calories. So, at least for me, there is a strong correlation that I will have more muscle mass if I can squat, bench, row, and deadlift a higher degree of weight. It's pretty simple really. If you have a different body type, it will probably be different than you. Just like for me, I was able to get extremely ripped by eating almost entirely protein and fats and lowering my caloric intake by 2500 calories a day and just eating small meals frequently. Didn't even do any cardio and I got shredded. But I'd rather be 10-15 lbs larger, and weight 190 and look better in a shirt.

[Son of Logical]

I'm 6'2" 210 lbs. and can basically max my body weight...

I play pick up hoops at the Arc against college kids all of the time...athletic college kids...some that can probably bench a lot more than me...

I am so much better than the majority of them/stronger with the ball/can basically do whatever I want since I play like a guard but am generally one of the bigger guys...

It's just laughable to me that people put so much in bench press...I have always been a naturally gifted athlete...I put very little work into it in high school and was just always good at anything...I just don't know how bench press translates to anything in sports other than being a lineman in football...

Kevin Durant is as physical as anyone and gets to the line more than anyone and he couldn't get 185 one time coming out of Texas...

It always makes me laugh so much that people measure their dick size by how much they can bench press...

I was the 4th or 5th best athlete in my class and other than the kid who was throwing up 335 (and this kid was a FREAK FB who has records in the state of Illinois and was named to the all-decade team in our area this past year)...no one bench pressed for shit...

It's just another way for people to cover something up the majority of the time if you ask me...I would NEVER want to be able to lift 300+ lbs...it doesn't make any sense to me.

My friend Luke used to be a pretty thin guy...a real good high school basketball player...could have walked on at Iowa...his girlfriend broke up with him and he just decided to get ****ing JACKED...worked out every day...****ing got HUGE...

and he said it himself...did it to get back at his girlfriend...

It's like the guys who try to get that big are trying to make up for somewhere they lack in life...

like the dudes on this site who can throw further than Matt Hasselbeck or the people in this thread who were repping 400+ in high school...

I'd like to meet these superior athletes and play some pickup hoops or flag football or something...just so I can see it for myself.

Most of the guys that bench 400 are pretty huge, but just some food for thought. Donnie Edwards was really light coming into the NFL, I think something like 225-235 some can look it up if they really care, but he was benching 500 pounds. Adam Archuleta the Rams/Redskins safety put up 500 as well. Both of those guys did not way a lot, but could really lift some weight. Plus the guys that make into the NFL are not always the strongest guys on their teams. Go to any college football workout and you will see tons of guys that can put up over 400, I am talking safeties and LB, and I would guess some wide-outs as well.

Just so you know bench press is pretty essential to almost all football positions. To be able to push a guy off you and separate from him is needed in all positions. I do agree that basketball and baseball players probably don't need bench press that much, especially basketball. To play football as a complete player you need bench press, without a doubt.

By the way, playing flag football and playing full contact football is a lot different. A quick never lift guy could be decent or even good at flag football, but that same guy comes across the middle once in real football he won't be getting up for awhile I promise you that.

[TheGuardian]

You have absolutely no credibility in this forum. I can't even believe you continue to post.

:facepalm:

You don't even understand simple basics of physiology. OMG you're an idiot.

[TheGuardian]

Most of the guys that bench 400 are pretty huge, but just some food for thought. Donnie Edwards was really light coming into the NFL, I think something like 225-235 some can look it up if they really care, but he was benching 500 pounds. Adam Archuleta the Rams/Redskins safety put up 500 as well. Both of those guys did not way a lot, but could really lift some weight. Plus the guys that make into the NFL are not always the strongest guys on their teams. Go to any college football workout and you will see tons of guys that can put up over 400, I am talking safeties and LB, and I would guess some wide-outs as well.

Just so you know bench press is pretty essential to almost all football positions. To be able to push a guy off you and separate from him is needed in all positions. I do agree that basketball and baseball players probably don't need bench press that much, especially basketball. To play football as a complete player you need bench press, without a doubt.

By the way, playing flag football and playing full contact football is a lot different. A quick never lift guy could be decent or even good at flag football, but that same guy comes across the middle once in real football he won't be getting up for awhile I promise you that.

OMG neither Donnie Edwards nor Archuleta could bench press 500 pounds.

Second, you can walk into any college weight room and you WILL NOT see "tons of guys" putting up 400 pounds. You might see, MAYBE few linemen. That's what I mean, people just say shit and have no idea what they are talking about.

[DaneMcCloud]

:facepalm:

You don't even understand simple basics of physiology. OMG you're an idiot.

LMAO

This coming from the DoucheTardian

[Saccopoo]

Donnie Edwards was really light coming into the NFL, I think something like 225-235 some can look it up if they really care, but he was benching 500 pounds. Adam Archuleta the Rams/Redskins safety put up 500 as well.

You are full of shit.

There is no way that this dude puts up 500 lb. on a bench:

http://www.ktimothy.com/American-Idol/pictures/David-Archuleta-HQ.jpg

[TheGuardian]

LMAO

This coming from the DoucheTardian

Calories in vs calories out. You don't even understand that very basic bit of proven physiology.

[DaneMcCloud]

Calories in vs calories out. You don't even understand that very basic bit of proven physiology.

Gimme a break.

Where did I ever state that?

And furthermore, people process food differently. Some people have allergies that cause their bodies to do strange things, some people can handle carbs more than others, etc.

And NONE of that proves or disproves that certain people have a genetic propensity to be either lean or fat, able to build muscle mass quickly or not.

Everyone's body is different and changes throughout the course of their lifetime.

Most people don't have a consistent metabolism. For most people, it slows considerably when they age. I'm not fucking 25 years old, Champ, I'm 44 years old. And I can tell you for a FACT that I have to work much harder and eat far less to maintain my body weight.

And in order to lose weight, I have to do an insane amount of cardio with very little dietary intake.

But, I'm sure you're going to tell me that I'm wrong, that my doctor is wrong, etc.

I'll be waiting, Douche.

[Son of Logical]

OMG neither Donnie Edwards nor Archuleta could bench press 500 pounds.

Second, you can walk into any college weight room and you WILL NOT see "tons of guys" putting up 400 pounds. You might see, MAYBE few linemen. That's what I mean, people just say shit and have no idea what they are talking about.

Ok, I almost positive that they both put up that weight, I will research it and find out and hopefully find out for sure. I can tell you without a doubt that when I was in college, and I worked with the guys from San Diego State there were at least 20 guys who were repping 365 plus, and if you can rep 365 plus you can bench 400. I know exactly what I am talking about in regards to the college athletes, I have seen it first hand. If you don't believe me I am fine with that, but I know what I saw with my own two eyes.

[Son of Logical]

You are full of shit.

There is no way that this dude puts up 500 lb. on a bench:

http://www.ktimothy.com/American-Idol/pictures/David-Archuleta-HQ.jpg

hahaha, is that guy named Adam Archuleta as well?

[Silock]

Dude, I get dizzy if I don't eat enough as it is.

I was walking my labs yesterday on our 3.5 mile walk in the hills (granted, it was 82 degrees) and forgot to eat a protein bar before we left. I almost didn't think I was going to make it home. I was so freakin' dizzy.

With that said, I can fully understand how that could work for me but I just don't think I could do it. Again, at age 44 and with as much cardio as I do, I'm about as lean as I'm going to get (6'1, 210).

And I don't eat bread. I'm allergic.

That happens to some people, but it passes as the body gets used to it.

And the high-carb, low-carb thing is irrelevant, really. As long as you eat less than you burn, you'll stay thin for life!

[GoHuge]

Almost a year to the day that I graduated high school I could bench 300 even, and weighed 165 or so. I wanted 315 so bad, but just couldn't get there no matter what I did. That was after lifting almost everyday from the time I was a sophomore until then. Use to love working out and didn't feel like I did it right until I felt like I was gonna puke. There's that fine line between feeling great afterwards and about to puke (kind of like drinking it's very easy to go a little too far). I was much better at a one rep max than I was multiple reps. I could equal or best some of my bigger friends maxing out, but couldn't even begin to do their workouts. Pretty much the same way with the other lifts too and even more so with power cleans. I loved cleans when other people hated them. There were alot of guys stronger than me, but I would smoke them because of my technique. Never really understood why people hated them so much. Best full body lift there is.

I've been told I'm a really fast-twitch muscle person (though I'm not sure how you would prove or dismiss that). There was one guy in our school that could beat me in the 40, but about 5 or 6 that could in 100. By the end of a 200 I was dead. No full speed endurance at all. I trained by running stairs, hardcore lifting, gassers, and explosion drills. All geared towards football. Very rarely was I just beat after a game, but make me run a mile under 6 minutes like us skill position players had to before we could practice and I was ****ing dead.

Hit a second growth spurt at 20 and was about 195 and was starting to look like a meat head so I went the smaller weight higher reps direction. The only thing I was training for was motocross and just decided to go with more endurance and the cut look. Haven't maxed out since. I'm about 6' 180 lbs and that suits me just fine. I've got to be careful though. In high school it was a struggle to put on 10 lbs in a year. Now if I start lifting heavy I can put on 15 lbs of muscle in no time, but I just don't like the look. Would have given anything to have that problem in highschool!!!

[Silock]

Most people don't have a consistent metabolism. For most people, it slows considerably when they age. I'm not fucking 25 years old, Champ, I'm 44 years old. And I can tell you for a FACT that I have to work much harder and eat far less to maintain my body weight.

Your metabolism is simply the sum of the processes that keep you alive. The reason most people find that their "metabolism" slows as they age is because they aren't as active. I hypothesize that you'd find that if you did less cardio and more weights, you wouldn't think your metabolism was quite as slow.

And in order to lose weight, I have to do an insane amount of cardio with very little dietary intake.

Question: Do you currently weigh and measure your food, and log everything that you eat?

[Saccopoo]

hahaha, is that guy named Adam Archuleta as well?

:spock:

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[BWillie]

OMG neither Donnie Edwards nor Archuleta could bench press 500 pounds.

Second, you can walk into any college weight room and you WILL NOT see "tons of guys" putting up 400 pounds. You might see, MAYBE few linemen. That's what I mean, people just say shit and have no idea what they are talking about.

Actually, I do remember reading about Archuleta being a freak of nature and being able to bench around the 500 mark. They talked about his training regime and everything. Didn't really translate to being a bad ass safety though.

[Saccopoo]

Your metabolism is simply the sum of the processes that keep you alive. The reason most people find that their "metabolism" slows as they age is because they aren't as active. I hypothesize that you'd find that if you did less cardio and more weights, you wouldn't think your metabolism was quite as slow.

You'd think that, wouldn't you? Just wait until you hit your early 30's and then again in your 40's. It's almost like you just wake up one morning and everything is different. It happened to me, and it was just like someone hit a switch.

[Silock]

You'd think that, wouldn't you? Just wait until you hit your early 30's and then again in your 40's. It's almost like you just wake up one morning and everything is different. It happened to me, and it was just like someone hit a switch.

Well, it's the truth. Metabolism is what it is.

And I'm 29 now, so not too far away from 30s.

[TheGuardian]

Actually, I do remember reading about Archuleta being a freak of nature and being able to bench around the 500 mark. They talked about his training regime and everything. Didn't really translate to being a bad ass safety though.

I know and remember it as well, but it's BS.

[DaneMcCloud]

Your metabolism is simply the sum of the processes that keep you alive. The reason most people find that their "metabolism" slows as they age is because they aren't as active. I hypothesize that you'd find that if you did less cardio and more weights, you wouldn't think your metabolism was quite as slow.

No, I'd just put on 20 pounds of muscle mass in 3 months, just like I did in 2006. I couldn't break the 195 barrier, even with doing as much as 100 miles of cardio per week.

Question: Do you currently weigh and measure your food, and log everything that you eat?

No Dude, I refuse to do that. As much as I appreciate your advice, insight and help, I need to have a balance in my life.

When I weighed 195, I ate two protein bars a day and had either a low-sodium soup or a chicken salad for dinner. I'd ride 10.89 miles on the exercise bike in 30 minutes at least five days a week and would add another 2 miles on the treadmill. The only "treat" I would have during the week were rice cakes or a spoon of peanut butter. I only drank alcohol two nights a week, usually Friday and Saturday night.

On the weekends, I'd eat normal. We'd go to restaurants (not fast food) where I'd have everything from salads to chicken, fish and other healthy fare. I'd wake up every Monday morning wondering if I could button my pants because I'd actually eaten over the weekend. To be completely honest, it was brutal and I can't believe I did that for nearly 5 years.

Now, I weigh 215 but I eat and drink as I please. I eat egg whites and turkey bacon for breakfast (with the occasional fat-free yogurt), chicken, salads and soups for lunch and dinner AND I drink alcohol whenever I please.

My personal physician would like me to be 205 and says I can quickly get there by cutting out the alcohol. Thanks but no thanks.

:D

[SenselessChiefsFan]

No, I'd just put on 20 pounds of muscle mass in 3 months, just like I did in 2006. I couldn't break the 195 barrier, even with doing as much as 100 miles of cardio per week.



No Dude, I refuse to do that. As much as I appreciate your advice, insight and help, I need to have a balance in my life.

When I weighed 195, I ate two protein bars a day and had either a low-sodium soup or a chicken salad for dinner. I'd ride 10.89 miles on the exercise bike in 30 minutes at least five days a week and would add another 2 miles on the treadmill. The only "treat" I would have during the week were rice cakes or a spoon of peanut butter. I only drank alcohol two nights a week, usually Friday and Saturday night.

On the weekends, I'd eat normal. We'd go to restaurants (not fast food) where I'd have everything from salads to chicken, fish and other healthy fare. I'd wake up every Monday morning wondering if I could button my pants because I'd actually eaten over the weekend. To be completely honest, it was brutal and I can't believe I did that for nearly 5 years.

Now, I weigh 215 but I eat and drink as I please. I eat egg whites and turkey bacon for breakfast (with the occasional fat-free yogurt), chicken, salads and soups for lunch and dinner AND I drink alcohol whenever I please.

My personal physician would like me to be 205 and says I can quickly get there by cutting out the alcohol. Thanks but no thanks.

:D

20lbs in three months? Not all muscle. Not in three months. Not even physiologically possible without steroids. And, EVEN with steroids... it is at the upper end of what is even possible.

[Silock]

No, I'd just put on 20 pounds of muscle mass in 3 months, just like I did in 2006. I couldn't break the 195 barrier, even with doing as much as 100 miles of cardio per week.

It is physically impossible to put on 20 pounds of pure muscle mass in three months. Now, you might gain some muscle mass, but it wouldn't be nearly 20 pounds. Plus, you'd shed fat!

No Dude, I refuse to do that. As much as I appreciate your advice, insight and help, I need to have a balance in my life.

The only reason I ask is because most people only think they're eating at a certain calorie level, but are actually eating much, much more, even though they eat "healthy" fare.

[DaneMcCloud]

It is physically impossible to put on 20 pounds of pure muscle mass in three months. Now, you might gain some muscle mass, but it wouldn't be nearly 20 pounds. Plus, you'd shed fat!


Okay, that was an exaggeration, but the result was still the same. I gained muscle mass and didn't lose any weight with an increased lifting regime.

The only reason I ask is because most people only think they're eating at a certain calorie level, but are actually eating much, much more, even though they eat "healthy" fare.

I read labels and have a pretty good idea of my caloric intake, so much so that my doctor even checked for a thyroid condition.

The bottom line is that while I could once eat two double cheeseburgers a day, along with a bag of chips and 12 beers without gaining an ounce (and a 30 inch waist), those days ended pretty much after I turned 30.

And each year, it's become more and more difficult to maintain my weight, regardless of how healthy I eat or how much I exercise.

My dad is 67 and is now at the point where he's fasting every other day. It freaking blows.

[Silock]

Lifting + reduced calorie intake = weight lost

Again, it's not a matter of eating "healthy" or not. It's a matter of quantity. You can still get fat on salads and "healthy" foods. Or, you can get extremely lean eating nothing but Oreo cookies.

I think if you logged everything and measured and weighed it just for one week, you'd find that you're taking in far more calories than you think you are.

[DaneMcCloud]

Lifting + reduced calorie intake = weight lost

Again, it's not a matter of eating "healthy" or not. It's a matter of quantity. You can still get fat on salads and "healthy" foods. Or, you can get extremely lean eating nothing but Oreo cookies.

I think if you logged everything and measured and weighed it just for one week, you'd find that you're taking in far more calories than you think you are.

I don't think so, Dude.

I don't eat sweets. I don't drink soda of any kind (never have). I don't munch and don't eat junk food. I rarely eat fast food.

I'm by no means "fat". I'm an athletic, big framed guy. And like I said earlier, I have no intention of going back to calorie pinching ways and avoiding alcohol to be bone thin.

Been there, done that.

[Brock]

I don't think so, Dude.

I don't eat sweets. I don't drink soda of any kind (never have). I don't munch and don't eat junk food. I rarely eat fast food.

I'm by no means "fat". I'm an athletic, big framed guy. And like I said earlier, I have no intention of going back to calorie pinching ways and avoiding alcohol to be bone thin.

Been there, done that.

It isn't worth it. If you're not "overweight", carry on and enjoy life.

[TheGuardian]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm not fat I'm big boned!

[Silock]

Again, it has nothing to do with sweets, junk food, fast food, munching or soda.

And you don't have to be thin and cut if you don't want to be. It's your choice. I'm simply trying to say that if you wanted to, it's not impossible and it's not "difficult" to do.

Fat doesn't come out of thin air. It only comes when you take in more calories than you burn. That's simple science. I'm a huge advocate of drinking alcohol and eating cookies and having a good time enjoying life. And you can do all of those things and stay lean, even at your age :)

[DaneMcCloud]

It isn't worth it. If you're not "overweight", carry on and enjoy life.

Yeah, exactly. There's no reason to be movie star thin if you're not a movie star.

[DaneMcCloud]

Again, it has nothing to do with sweets, junk food, fast food, munching or soda.

And you don't have to be thin and cut if you don't want to be. It's your choice. I'm simply trying to say that if you wanted to, it's not impossible and it's not "difficult" to do.

Fat doesn't come out of thin air. It only comes when you take in more calories than you burn. That's simple science. I'm a huge advocate of drinking alcohol and eating cookies and having a good time enjoying life. And you can do all of those things and stay lean, even at your age :)

Dude, I AM lean. I'm just not as lean as I'd be if I starved myself or cut out alcohol five days a week and ate like a mouse.

It's just not worth it.

[DaneMcCloud]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm not fat I'm big boned!

If you're talking about me, you're just proving, once again, that you're a fucking idiot.

6'1, 215 pounds, 34" waist. 30 miles (minimum) of cardio and I'm not talking at the gym, I'm talking real world cardio where you're actually required to carry your weight (unlike an exercise bike or treadmill).

There isn't a single person I know or that's met me through this forum that would describe me as anything other than toned, fit and athletic.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Lifting + reduced calorie intake = weight lost

Again, it's not a matter of eating "healthy" or not. It's a matter of quantity. You can still get fat on salads and "healthy" foods. Or, you can get extremely lean eating nothing but Oreo cookies.

I think if you logged everything and measured and weighed it just for one week, you'd find that you're taking in far more calories than you think you are.

Even though this is all true, there are chemical reactions to certain foods that make losing weight harder or easier.

Plus, your body expends energy digesting food. While, this is a small percentage, this does factor in.

And, as we know, when the insulit level in the blood spikes, your body can't burn fat.

I agree with you, but there are ways to make dieting more effective, and a 1500 calorie diet of oreos will not give you the same body as 1500 calories of lean meat and veggies.

[Silock]

6'1" and 215 lbs is overweight BMI, bordering on obese. And I realize that the BMI isn't a fantastic indicator of fitness, but it's not THAT far off.

http://johnbarban.com/bmi-chart-what-is-all-the-fuss-about/

[SenselessChiefsFan]

It isn't worth it. If you're not "overweight", carry on and enjoy life.

I dissagree somewhat. I was not 'overweight'. People still can't believe I have lost 25lbs. That said, I want to have the magazine cover photo shoot chest and abs. What I didn't realize is how much more fun doing all the other stuff I would do when I was stronger and more fit.

It just makes me feel better.

[Silock]

Even though this is all true, there are chemical reactions to certain foods that make losing weight harder or easier.

Only if you eat a lot of those foods.

Plus, your body expends energy digesting food. While, this is a small percentage, this does factor in.

For every 100 calories of meat, you burn about 10 calories digesting it. That's not really that much.

And, as we know, when the insulit level in the blood spikes, your body can't burn fat.

Yes, however, on a calorie restricted diet, insulin levels aren't high for long enough to make a significant impact in fat burning.

I agree with you, but there are ways to make dieting more effective, and a 1500 calorie diet of oreos will not give you the same body as 1500 calories of lean meat and veggies.

The same body, probably not. The same amount of fat loss, for all intents and purposes, yes. The differences will not be that much.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

6'1" and 215 lbs is overweight BMI, bordering on obese. And I realize that the BMI isn't a fantastic indicator of fitness, but it's not THAT far off.

http://johnbarban.com/bmi-chart-what-is-all-the-fuss-about/

Well, with as fat as the country has gotten on the whole...... what was once considered overweight is considered 'normal' now.

And, people who are clinically obese are considered overweight.

It is all relative to the current average body in most people's minds.

[TheGuardian]

If you're talking about me, you're just proving, once again, that you're a ****ing idiot.

6'1, 215 pounds, 34" waist. 30 miles (minimum) of cardio and I'm not talking at the gym, I'm talking real world cardio where you're actually required to carry your weight (unlike an exercise bike or treadmill).

There isn't a single person I know or that's met me through this forum that would describe me as anything other than toned, fit and athletic.

This board is also filled with guys who can bench 320 the first time they walk into the gym and have multiple cousins who can bench 400 in high school.

[Silock]

I didn't consider myself overweight when I was 5'11", 192. And then I lost 20 lbs. And I'm just as strong (and stronger) and just as fast (and faster) as I was then. I don't think a lot of people realize just how much extra weight they carry until they lose it.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

I didn't consider myself overweight when I was 5'11", 192. And then I lost 20 lbs. And I'm just as strong (and stronger) and just as fast (and faster) as I was then. I don't think a lot of people realize just how much extra weight they carry until they lose it.

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[DaneMcCloud]

6'1" and 215 lbs is overweight BMI, bordering on obese. And I realize that the BMI isn't a fantastic indicator of fitness, but it's not THAT far off.

http://johnbarban.com/bmi-chart-what-is-all-the-fuss-about/

I don't believe in BMI. It's fucking nonsense, especially for people that have broad shoulders and barrel chests.

We're not all built the same, you know.

And contrary to BMI, I doctor flat out told me that 205 would be the lowest I should go. I'll lose the ten pounds someday and get my waist to 33", but I'll still need to shop at custom men's clothing stores for shirts that fit me correctly.

If I buy an XL off the rack to accommodate my shoulders and arm length, it looks like I'm wearing a fucking sheet.

[Brock]

I dissagree somewhat. I was not 'overweight'. People still can't believe I have lost 25lbs. That said, I want to have the magazine cover photo shoot chest and abs. What I didn't realize is how much more fun doing all the other stuff I would do when I was stronger and more fit.

It just makes me feel better.

Wanting to have magazine cover chest and abs is just narcissism. I'm not really knocking it, but it's not an indicator of fitness level or health. A lot of guys who look like that are china dolls when it comes to actually doing things.

[Silock]

I don't believe in BMI. It's fucking nonsense, especially for people that have broad shoulders and barrel chests.

We're not all built the same, you know.

And contrary to BMI, I doctor flat out told me that 205 would be the lowest I should go. I'll lose the ten pounds someday and get my waist to 33", but I'll still need to shop at custom men's clothing stores for shirts that fit me correctly.

If I buy an XL off the rack to accommodate my shoulders and arm length, it looks like I'm wearing a fucking sheet.

Well, it believes in you!

The BMI accounts for not being built the same. And I'm not saying it's 100% accurate for everyone, but it's not too far off, either. I'm just barely in the "normal" category. If I were to go back to 13-15% bodyfat, I'd be in the overweight category. And while I wouldn't be unhealthy, I definitely could stand to lose some fat at that weight.

[Silock]

Wanting to have magazine cover chest and abs is just narcissism. I'm not really knocking it, but it's not an indicator of fitness level or health. A lot of guys who look like that are china dolls when it comes to actually doing things.

Some are, some aren't. But lean bodies are generally healthy bodies.

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, it believes in you!

The BMI accounts for not being built the same. And I'm not saying it's 100% accurate for everyone, but it's not too far off, either. I'm just barely in the "normal" category. If I were to go back to 13-15% bodyfat, I'd be in the overweight category. And while I wouldn't be unhealthy, I definitely could stand to lose some fat at that weight.

Dude, please show me how BMI accounts for someone with 19.5" calves, 16" biceps and a 34" waist, yet calls that person "Obese".

There isn't a man, woman or child on this planet that would look at me and call me "obese".

And there are several people who've met me here that can absolutely back that up.

As I mentioned earlier, my doctor, an internist at UCLA, says his ideal weight for me is 205. BMI says I should be 180, a 25 pound disparity.

Who do you think I'm going to trust?

[Brock]

Well, it believes in you!

The BMI accounts for not being built the same. And I'm not saying it's 100% accurate for everyone, but it's not too far off, either. I'm just barely in the "normal" category. If I were to go back to 13-15% bodyfat, I'd be in the overweight category. And while I wouldn't be unhealthy, I definitely could stand to lose some fat at that weight.

The BMI does not account for the difference between fat and muscle. It's useless and meaningless. According to WHO, a normal body fat percentace is up to 33 percent. EDIT: 19 percent for men.

[ChiefsCountry]

Back in high school I could only bench 225 but I could power clean 300.

[Silock]

Dude, please show me how BMI accounts for someone with 19.5" calves, 16" biceps and a 34" waist, yet calls that person "Obese".

There isn't a man, woman or child on this planet that would look at me and call me "obese".

And there are several people who've met me here that can absolutely back that up.

As I mentioned earlier, my doctor, an internist at UCLA, says his ideal weight for me is 205. BMI says I should be 180, a 25 pound disparity.

Who do you think I'm going to trust?

I didn't say you were obese. Read the link I posted.

[ChiefsCountry]

BMI is a bunch of shit. When I was 6'4 200 pounds and looked like a fucking stick, it said I was overweight.

[Silock]

The BMI does not account for the difference between fat and muscle. It's useless and meaningless. According to WHO, a normal body fat percentace is up to 33 percent. EDIT: 19 percent for men.

Read the link I posted. There are limits on natural amounts of muscle. And again, it isn't 100 percent accurate, but it's not completely inaccurate, either.

[Silock]

BMI is a bunch of shit. When I was 6'4 200 pounds and looked like a fucking stick, it said I was overweight.

No, that comes in as normal BMI.

[Brock]

Read the link I posted. There are limits on natural amounts of muscle. And again, it isn't 100 percent accurate, but it's not completely inaccurate, either.

If it isn't accurate, it isn't accurate. The thing was created for sociological studies in the 1800s, not as a medical tool.