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Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 03:32 AM
I may be a hero. I'll let you know!

Can anybody tell me how much pressure is at that depth ?

KurtCobain
05-15-2010, 03:37 AM
Alot.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 03:40 AM
Oh, And if anybody else has a bright idea you can submit it here.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/546759/

Rukdafaidas
05-15-2010, 04:27 AM
I don't know if pig goo has that kind of holding power in salt water.

Buck's Dad
05-15-2010, 04:49 AM
Let it run let it run!

Rukdafaidas
05-15-2010, 05:00 AM
But to answer your question, at 5,000' deep, you're looking at around 2,300 pounds pressure per square inch.

big nasty kcnut
05-15-2010, 05:36 AM
Why can't they use a half clamp to stop the flow then use a underwater blowtorch to seal the half clamp then find a permanent way to fix it?

kepp
05-15-2010, 05:50 AM
Will a hog survive at that depth?
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Johnny Vegas
05-15-2010, 05:56 AM
this is by far the best most natural solution

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DWMeyer98
05-15-2010, 06:11 AM
They could use the money that they made in the last six months to soak it all up.

I'm thankfully moving back to MO in a week, but right now I live in the Florida panhandle. The oil has not gotten to the beaches here yet, but it is likely just a matter of time. The hotels, resorts, and restaurants are all in full panic down here now. It has also ruined the offshore fishing and that pisses me off.

It also pisses me off that the video posted above was filmed in the same county I live in right now. While the idea of using hay/straw may not be the worst idea, seeing Jim-Bob in his bib overalls probably won't instill confidence in the potential tourists. I mean, why go all the way to Florida when you can go to Alabama and see guys that look like that?

healthpellets
05-15-2010, 06:36 AM
even if you submitted a fantastic idea, 10:1 BP steals it and you get no credit.

Bwana
05-15-2010, 06:50 AM
The fact that they have the suggestion page, tells me they have no freaken clue how to stop it. I hope someone's idea works in the near future. I read a report yesterday that this thing is likely to keep gushing for another 2 months, "if" their latest best plan works. If that turns out to be the case, this incident is going to make the Exxon Valdez oil breach look like a walk in the park.

Iowanian
05-15-2010, 07:09 AM
Were it not for a pending situation at home, I'd be down there doing some work today. May be down there working in a week or two if things work out. I'll pass it on.



I do think ground hay would be a good solution for cleanup.....and then burn it.

Iowanian
05-15-2010, 07:12 AM
It also pisses me off that the video posted above was filmed in the same county I live in right now. While the idea of using hay/straw may not be the worst idea, seeing Jim-Bob in his bib overalls probably won't instill confidence in the potential tourists. I mean, why go all the way to Florida when you can go to Alabama and see guys that look like that?

You know what pisses me off? assholes like you who dismiss "jim-bob" because he's in working man's clothes. Some of the most inventive, creative, solution makers on this planet are "jim bob" farmers. I've got an uncle who if he put his mind to it could probably build a solar car with duct tape, bailing wire, pliers, a wire welder and some scrap iron.

HonestChieffan
05-15-2010, 07:13 AM
this is by far the best most natural solution

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Simple, effective, sustainable, natural....never work, no big money to be made by anyone but hay haulers and farmers.

Fritz88
05-15-2010, 07:17 AM
It also pisses me off that the video posted above was filmed in the same county I live in right now. While the idea of using hay/straw may not be the worst idea, seeing Jim-Bob in his bib overalls probably won't instill confidence in the potential tourists. I mean, why go all the way to Florida when you can go to Alabama and see guys that look like that?

Jim-Bob fucking rules.

DWMeyer98
05-15-2010, 07:19 AM
You know what pisses me off? assholes like you who dismiss "jim-bob" because he's in working man's clothes. Some of the most inventive, creative, solution makers on this planet are "jim bob" farmers. I've got an uncle who if he put his mind to it could probably build a solar car with duct tape, bailing wire, pliers, a wire welder and some scrap iron.

It was more of a statement about the fact that it seems to be the only video played in every media outlet, than it was about what he was wearing. It went from a 1 minute report on the local news here to nationwide coverage simply because everyone gets a snicker about how the man is dressed. I grew up in Missouri and my father, grandfather and uncle were all farmers and I worked with them all the way until I enlisted in the military and left the area.

Iowanian
05-15-2010, 07:20 AM
OR....OR....it made national news because it's a simple, reasonable and Doable idea.

Bwana
05-15-2010, 07:26 AM
You know what pisses me off? assholes like you who dismiss "jim-bob" because he's in working man's clothes. Some of the most inventive, creative, solution makers on this planet are "jim bob" farmers. I've got an uncle who if he put his mind to it could probably build a solar car with duct tape, bailing wire, pliers, a wire welder and some scrap iron.

Indeed, I have to agree. Who gives a rats ass what a man is wearing for clothes, if they can come up with an idea that stops some of the damage. As I stated before, I just hope someone's idea works sooner, rather than later.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 07:34 AM
Indeed, I have to agree. Who gives a rats ass what a man is wearing for clothes, if they can come up with an idea that stops some of the damage. As I stated before, I just hope someone's idea works sooner, rather than later.

My idea is pretty solid and I think a 99% chance it will work. I don't think the pressure will be a factor because my idea neutralizes it. The only thing is that it will take a certain device that already exists but not to fit a 22" pipe so one will have to be made. This idea popped in my head about 3:00 this morning. One of those Ahaaaa moments. I found out how to get it to them and had it submitted by 4:00.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 07:38 AM
You know what pisses me off? assholes like you who dismiss "jim-bob" because he's in working man's clothes. Some of the most inventive, creative, solution makers on this planet are "jim bob" farmers. I've got an uncle who if he put his mind to it could probably build a solar car with duct tape, bailing wire, pliers, a wire welder and some scrap iron.

Yes. When you're farming, especially livestock and something goes wrong you have to find a way to make it work again often "Right Now", there may be many lives depending on you. Most people are way too smart to be able to farm because they lack common sense and ingenuity.

Bwana
05-15-2010, 07:40 AM
My idea is pretty solid and I think a 99% chance it will work. I don't think the pressure will be a factor because my idea neutralizes it. The only thing is that it will take a certain device that already exists but not to fit a 22" pipe so one will have to be made. This idea popped in my head about 3:00 this morning. One of those Ahaaaa moments. I found out how to get it to them and had it submitted by 4:00.

I hope it does work. Try to document it someplace (other than their web page) if you can, so you can get some credit for your idea in the event it does stop the flow.

Good luck!

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 07:42 AM
But to answer your question, at 5,000' deep, you're looking at around 2,300 pounds pressure per square inch.

Thanks. I guess my brother swimming down there to take a shit in the pipe might not work. I haven't found a line he can't plug yet.


Kidding.

Bwana
05-15-2010, 07:55 AM
But to answer your question, at 5,000' deep, you're looking at around 2,300 pounds pressure per square inch.

This and that's a lot of pressure. :doh!:Here is a good place to check your calculations.

http://www.atozdiving.co.nz/waterpressure.htm

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 07:57 AM
This and that's a lot of pressure. :doh!:Here is a good place to check your calculations.

http://www.atozdiving.co.nz/waterpressure.htm

According to that 2182 psi at 5000ft. Matches what Mr. Rukdafaiders quoted.

Bwana
05-15-2010, 07:59 AM
According to that 2182 psi at 5000ft.

Correct, but the depth could be + or - 300 feet so I would go with the higher calculation to avoid any issues.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 08:11 AM
Correct, but the depth could be + or - 300 feet so I would go with the higher calculation to avoid any issues.

Doesn't realy matter , I was just wanting an idea. The pressure should be neutralized so I don't THINK it will be a factor.

Bwana
05-15-2010, 08:31 AM
Doesn't realy matter , I was just wanting an idea. The pressure should be neutralized so I don't THINK it will be a factor.

I have no idea what your idea is, but I would also consider the pressure of the flow rate, at the location where the oil is exiting the broken pipe as well.

CaliforniaChief
05-15-2010, 08:39 AM
I hope someone solves this soon....the video of all that oil flying into the water is pretty sad.

crispystl
05-15-2010, 08:43 AM
Doesn't realy matter , I was just wanting an idea. The pressure should be neutralized so I don't THINK it will be a factor.

What is your idea?

notorious
05-15-2010, 08:47 AM
Just send Flopnut's Rep Power down. It will plug the leak in no time.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 09:22 AM
I have no idea what your idea is, but I would also consider the pressure of the flow rate, at the location where the oil is exiting the broken pipe as well.

Yes, I wonder how much pressure is behind the oil spewing ? The way this idea works , it will seal it off fairly slowly so that should help. I presented them the concept , the Engineers will have to tweak it.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 09:26 AM
What is your idea?

I'm waiting for a response from BP, then I'll unvail my idea , which may be stupid. Who knows exactly what you're dealing with at those depths.

They promised a response but said lots of ideas are coming in and they have to sort through them. But they have a team addressing responses.

soundmind
05-15-2010, 09:54 AM
They could use the money that they made in the last six MINUTES to soak it all up.



Sorry, had to fix your post.

Chief Chief
05-15-2010, 10:17 AM
Super DUPER Maxi Pad...with wings!

teedubya
05-15-2010, 11:07 AM
this is by far the best most natural solution

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This is a great fucking idea. I'm spreading it on my channels, right now.

Old Dog
05-15-2010, 11:44 AM
You know what pisses me off? assholes like you who dismiss "jim-bob" because he's in working man's clothes. Some of the most inventive, creative, solution makers on this planet are "jim bob" farmers. I've got an uncle who if he put his mind to it could probably build a solar car with duct tape, bailing wire, pliers, a wire welder and some scrap iron.

Nothing much worth adding to this statement, you pretty much summed that one up. I can't really buy you a beer over the intrawebs, so I'll just do the rep thingy instead.

Bane
05-15-2010, 11:50 AM
Nothing much worth adding to this statement, you pretty much summed that one up. I can't really buy you a beer over the intrawebs, so I'll just do the rep thingy instead.

:thumb:

kcwild
05-15-2010, 11:50 AM
According to that 2182 psi at 5000ft. Matches what Mr. Rukdafaiders quoted.

That is the ambient pressure at that water depth. What is unknown is the pressure of the flow of oil coming out of the wellhead. That is why there is no true accurate measurement of how much oil is leaking.

Most equipment for a field of this type and depth is 10K PSI.

cdcox
05-15-2010, 11:53 AM
I have no idea what your idea is, but I would also consider the pressure of the flow rate, at the location where the oil is exiting the broken pipe as well.

The extra pressure related to flow is negligible. Estimates of the leak are 2.5 million gallons per day. Through a 22 inch pipe, that isn't all that much. The velocity of the oil in the pipe is only about 2.5 ft/sec, so we're not talking about a lot of additional energy, relatively speaking.

teedubya
05-15-2010, 12:00 PM
Drill baby! Drill!!!

stumppy
05-15-2010, 12:16 PM
Soooo, you thinking hog sperm will coagulate at that depth ?

RedNFeisty
05-15-2010, 12:30 PM
They could use the money that they made in the last six months to soak it all up.

I'm thankfully moving back to MO in a week, but right now I live in the Florida panhandle. The oil has not gotten to the beaches here yet, but it is likely just a matter of time. The hotels, resorts, and restaurants are all in full panic down here now. It has also ruined the offshore fishing and that pisses me off.

It also pisses me off that the video posted above was filmed in the same county I live in right now. While the idea of using hay/straw may not be the worst idea, seeing Jim-Bob in his bib overalls probably won't instill confidence in the potential tourists. I mean, why go all the way to Florida when you can go to Alabama and see guys that look like that?

I use to visit Niceville/Destin as often as I could. The locals were hillbillies of sorts, but you never had to worry about locking your doors.

I would hate to see this mess reach the white sandy shores of Destin, Fl, that place is beautiful. There are several theories out there about how bad this really is, but on one is giving the same answer. Does anyone know how truly bad this is going to be for us? It seems this is going to be the worse oil accident in history. Forgive me if the answer is obvious, I have been working on finals, not watching television.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 12:33 PM
even if you submitted a fantastic idea, 10:1 BP steals it and you get no credit.
No shit. I fucking hate oil companies, especially snarky, British ones.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-15-2010, 12:40 PM
even if you submitted a fantastic idea, 10:1 BP steals it and you get no credit.

It's ALL Good ! Doesn't matter.

LaChapelle
05-15-2010, 12:46 PM
The earth made the oil
I think it can handle this just fine in time

Bwana
05-15-2010, 12:53 PM
The earth made the oil
I think it can handle this just fine in time

It will in time, but in the short term it's going to FUBAR a lot of the golf. I would hate to be in the shrimp fishing, or hotel business around that area right now.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-15-2010, 12:59 PM
It will in time, but in the short term it's going to FUBAR a lot of the golf. I would hate to be in the shrimp fishing, or hotel business around that area right now.

"Pardon me sir, but if I kill all the golfers, they're going to lock me up and throw away the key"!
-Carl.

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-23-2010, 05:24 PM
8 Days and still no response from them. I still think my idea will work. In the mean time the ocean will shortly be destroyed.

Over-Head
05-23-2010, 05:52 PM
No shit. I ****ing hate oil companies, especially snarky, British ones.they ain't half as snarky as Exxon right now, knowing that the Valdize (sp) episode is now minor compared to what their dealing with.:shake:

I haven't really read in dept about the problem, but wouldn't some think tank specialist have thought up "bad case" scenarios BEFORE they started popping holes in our oceans floors??

In 3 sentences or less WTF really happened?
Is it more than a pipe got broke wayyyyyy down under water?

Hog's Gone Fishin
05-23-2010, 06:00 PM
they ain't half as snarky as Exxon right now, knowing that the Valdize (sp) episode is now minor compared to what their dealing with.:shake:

I haven't really read in dept about the problem, but wouldn't some think tank specialist have thought up "bad case" scenarios BEFORE they started popping holes in our oceans floors??

In 3 sentences or less WTF really happened?
Is it more than a pipe got broke wayyyyyy down under water?

Oil rig blew up. Pipe is broke of 1 mile at the bottom of the ocean. It's a 22" pipe.

The dumbasses tried putting a concrete cap over it. Dumb !

They tried pumping a bunch of chopped up golf balls and junk in to the pipe. Even dumber !

And now they have stuck a pipe inside it with corking around it. Nope !

They need to give the Hog Farmer plan a go and stop the fucking oil!

bevischief
05-23-2010, 06:20 PM
Nuke it. The only way to be sure.

Param
05-23-2010, 06:24 PM
Nuke it. The only way to be sure.

Yah I said that in another thread. Nuke it and it's done.

BWillie
05-23-2010, 06:25 PM
They made a big hole. Kinda silly they can't cover the big hole up?:shrug:

Dave Lane
05-23-2010, 08:40 PM
Drill baby drill! Its too bad this happened but lets drill more right next to it to relieve pressure and who cares if it spills anyway.


/sarcasm

Iowanian
05-23-2010, 08:56 PM
drill baby drill....in shallow waters where it is safer instead of this deep because of tree huggers.



Louisiana should still be using "jimbob's" idea to protect their marshes.

Sweet Daddy Hate
05-24-2010, 03:00 PM
they ain't half as snarky as Exxon right now, knowing that the Valdize (sp) episode is now minor compared to what their dealing with.:shake:

I haven't really read in dept about the problem, but wouldn't some think tank specialist have thought up "bad case" scenarios BEFORE they started popping holes in our oceans floors??

In 3 sentences or less WTF really happened?
Is it more than a pipe got broke wayyyyyy down under water?

Political favor in Louisiana is akin to buying underage "houseboys" in Roman times.
That's what happened.

ModSocks
05-24-2010, 03:51 PM
You know what pisses me off? assholes like you who dismiss "jim-bob" because he's in working man's clothes. Some of the most inventive, creative, solution makers on this planet are "jim bob" farmers. I've got an uncle who if he put his mind to it could probably build a solar car with duct tape, bailing wire, pliers, a wire welder and some scrap iron.

Is his name..........McGruber!?

Hog's Gone Fishin
06-01-2010, 08:16 PM
Okay.... My thinking is.... there's a device called a "Drain King" that can be used to unstop a plugged drain line. The principle is , it's a heavy duty rubber bladder that you connect to a garden hose that when you turn it on it in flates to seal off the pipe and push pressure through the outlet to blow out a stopage. the same principle can be used here using a submersible pump connected to a steel pipe connectected to a heavy duty rubber bladder that will inflate inside the pipe to seal it off. Then once the flow is cut off they can cap it.

What do you think ??????



They haven't tried this so far but they are now cutting open the pipe to allow for a cap to be put on that will have a hard time sealing so I think they need to try my proposition instead.

googlegoogle
06-01-2010, 08:37 PM
rubber= no go.

a cylinder of steel that can expand with hydraulic pressure. The walls would have to dig into the pipe.

Hog's Gone Fishin
06-01-2010, 08:40 PM
rubber= no go.

a cylinder of steel that can expand with hydraulic pressure. The walls would have to dig into the pipe.


Why ? The water inside cannot be compressed thus equalizing the pressure. The hard rubber should be able to sufffice.

And if you notice the pipe itself does not collapse because of the inside water pressure.

googlegoogle
06-01-2010, 08:47 PM
Here ya go HOG. 2 vids. same thing almost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoKAFBPrvbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fkhTWjCXgU&feature=related

googlegoogle
06-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Why ? The water inside cannot be compressed thus equalizing the pressure. The hard rubber should be able to sufffice.

And if you notice the pipe itself does not collapse because of the inside water pressure.

Oil is like grease and would shoot it out and pierce it.

Bugeater
06-01-2010, 08:48 PM
Why don't they just plug it with Phobia's big fat head?

Hog's Gone Fishin
06-01-2010, 08:52 PM
Why don't they just plug it with Phobia's big fat head?


Okay . That was funny. But what are the chances of his head fitting a 22" pipe.

Mr. Laz
06-01-2010, 08:57 PM
they stuck a small pipe into the big pipe to "catch" some of the oil

i don't see why they couldn't use a small pipe first to gradually bigger pipes so that it slips into the pipe without the massive pressure but then slowly seals the pipe up as it slips in ... that that make any sense?

put some kind of sealant crap around the biggest pipe so when it finally slips in it will not only seal it but "glue" it together.

Hog's Gone Fishin
06-01-2010, 08:59 PM
Here ya go HOG. 2 vids. same thing almost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoKAFBPrvbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fkhTWjCXgU&feature=related


Well, by golly miss molly. Thats the solution. Couldn't tolerate the first vid but the 2nd nails it. That's the basic concept I suggested .

googlegoogle
06-01-2010, 09:01 PM
Well, by golly miss molly. Thats the solution. Couldn't tolerate the first vid but the 2nd nails it.

watch the first vid but last part.

2nd vid was funny. If you can push something against the pressure then you just did all the hard work. Thats what most people miss. You could then insert a metal cap and weld it or screw it on.

Hog's Gone Fishin
06-01-2010, 09:03 PM
http://www.poolcenter.com/accessories_misc_supplies-drain-kings.htm?gclid=CP7zp4-1gKICFddR2godaD3IDQ