View Full Version : Chiefs Everyone but Page at OTA's today...
Coogs
05-17-2010, 10:47 AM
Except For Jarrad Page
by Joel Thorman on May 17, 2010 11:25 AM CDT in 2010 Campaign 15 comments
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I posted this morning a report from the Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher that LB Mike Vrabel would be attending the voluntary portion of OTAs, which begin today.
Well, here's another surprise from the Star's Kent Babb: Brian Waters is in attendance as well.
Last year both players worked out on their own until the mandatory minicamp in June.
The lone Chief not on the field is Jarrad Page.
Page has yet to sign his tender but, as I've said before, I don't think that's too big of a deal. He was also the last to sign his tender in 2009 not doing so until May 29th.
So, (almost) all present and accounted for. Not a bad start, right?
DaneMcCloud
05-17-2010, 10:51 AM
Brian Waters is there because he knows the end is near...
DaKCMan AP
05-17-2010, 10:51 AM
Hopefully DaJuan Morgan gets the extra work (or Kendrick Lewis - but not sure rookies attend).
He would be better served as a backup anyways.
mikeyis4dcats.
05-17-2010, 10:53 AM
Brian Waters is there because he knows the end is near...
nigh....the end is nigh!
Coogs
05-17-2010, 10:56 AM
Brian Waters is there because he knows the end is near...
I'm glad he showed. Having the starting O-line working together has to help with chemistry over the long haul.
Rausch
05-17-2010, 10:58 AM
Hopefully DaJuan Morgan gets the extra work (or Kendrick Lewis - but not sure rookies attend).
I'm sure Morgan and other highly talented underachievers will play huge roles in Haley and Pioli's rebuilding...
Brian Waters is a scrub who was made to look great by two hall of famers who played on both sides of him.
Danman
05-17-2010, 11:04 AM
Brian Waters is a scrub who was made to look great by two hall of famers who played on both sides of him.
Sorry, this statement is pure bullshit. He may be passed his prime, but don't be stupid.
suds79
05-17-2010, 11:04 AM
I'm glad he showed. Having the starting O-line working together has to help with chemistry over the long haul.
Drafted his eventual replacement and Brian shows up now.
Figures.
Rausch
05-17-2010, 11:05 AM
Brian Waters is a scrub who was made to look great by two hall of famers who played on both sides of him.
You're a fucking idiot...
Sorry, this statement is pure bullshit. He may be passed his prime, but don't be stupid.
It's no coincidence that Waters has not performed at a high level since the retirements of Willie Roaf and Will Shields.
Coogs
05-17-2010, 11:07 AM
Drafted his eventual replacement and Brian shows up now.
Figures.
Maybe he is also buying in to what is going down and wants to be a part of it for a change? :shrug:
You don't agree with me, so that makes me an idiot.
Typical internet forum retards, incapable of an inteligent conversation so they resort to name calling whilst hiding behind their internet annoynomity.
Rausch
05-17-2010, 11:09 AM
Typical internet forum retards, incapable of an inteligent conversation so they resort to name calling whilst hiding behind their internet annoynomity.
Who hides?...
Coogs
05-17-2010, 11:11 AM
Hopefully DaJuan Morgan gets the extra work (or Kendrick Lewis - but not sure rookies attend).
Lewis is there. All rookies are there. Page could be on the way out.
Who hides?...
I'm willing to bet that you have never spoken to anyone's face like that in a simple disagreement.
Rausch
05-17-2010, 11:12 AM
I'm willing to bet that you have never spoken to anyone's face like that in a simple disagreement.
You lose...
DaneMcCloud
05-17-2010, 11:13 AM
It's no coincidence that Waters has not performed at a high level since the retirements of Willie Roaf and Will Shields.
Yeah, that's why he made the Pro-Bowl in 2008.
You lose...
So when you disagree with someone you just go around calling them fucking idiots?
Rausch's co-worker:
"I'm gonna go for lunch, I'm going to Taco Bell."
Rausch:
"You are a fucking idiot, I like McDonalds."
That's a normal conversation for you?
I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore if that is the case.
Consistent1
05-17-2010, 11:21 AM
It is interesting to have both Waters and Vrabel in.One has to think that they have considered the possibility of reduced roles.It can't hurt to have them there.The page deal most likely matter much in one way or another.
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Ebolapox
05-17-2010, 11:24 AM
So when you disagree with someone you just go around calling them fucking idiots?
Rausch's co-worker:
"I'm gonna go for lunch, I'm going to Taco Bell."
Rausch:
"You are a fucking idiot, I like McDonalds."
That's a normal conversation for you?
I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore if that is the case.
I'm a draftabulator and the smartest person on the fucking planet. (/rausch)
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 11:26 AM
hmm ... would be interesting to hear that Waters and Vrabel are both learning new positions and that's why they are in KC early.
i think Page isn't going to sign his tender at all ... i think he probably becomes an UFA in June and he is just gonna wait and take his chances.
The Franchise
05-17-2010, 11:29 AM
Yeah, that's why he made the Pro-Bowl in 2008.
So when you disagree with someone you just go around calling them fucking idiots?
Rausch's co-worker:
"I'm gonna go for lunch, I'm going to Taco Bell."
Rausch:
"You are a fucking idiot, I like McDonalds."
That's a normal conversation for you?
I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore if that is the case.
I'm still waiting for you to respond to Dane.
Ebolapox
05-17-2010, 11:31 AM
I'm still waiting for you to respond to Dane.
I'm a draftabulator and the smartest fucking person on the fucking planet (/Pestilence)
Would you say that Waters deserved to make the pro bowl in 2008? I wouldn't.
The Franchise
05-17-2010, 11:35 AM
I'm a draftabulator and the smartest fucking person on the fucking planet (/Pestilence)
FTW!
LaChapelle
05-17-2010, 11:35 AM
Tebow will show up for OATS in Denver
and that's all that really matters in the end
The Franchise
05-17-2010, 11:36 AM
Would you say that Waters deserved to make the pro bowl in 2008? I wouldn't.
Water's 2008 season stats:
16 games played/started
2 penalties for 20 yards (both Holding)
0 False Starts
1.5 sacks allowed
Water's 2008 season stats:
16 games played/started
2 penalties for 20 yards (both Holding)
0 False Starts
1.5 sacks allowed
Sorry, all I can remember from 2008 is Tyler Thigpen running around like an idiot and watching Herm Edwards stand on the sideline with a dumb look on his face. But if Waters was really that great that year, well then my mistake.
Rausch
05-17-2010, 11:41 AM
So when you disagree with someone you just go around calling them ****ing idiots?
In that context, yes, I would.
Rausch
05-17-2010, 11:47 AM
Sorry, all I can remember from 2008 is Tyler Thigpen running around like an idiot and watching Herm Edwards stand on the sideline with a dumb look on his face. But if Waters was really that great that year, well then my mistake.
It is your mistake, and due to the anger derived from our team being Teh sugggggggGG I can understand your impatience with our more prominent players.
DaneMcCloud
05-17-2010, 11:49 AM
Would you say that Waters deserved to make the pro bowl in 2008? I wouldn't.
Who gives a fuck what you think?
He was voted to the Pro Bowl by his peers. Furthermore, he was very high in the All-Pro voting, although he ultimately failed to make that team.
Brian Waters played at a high level in 2008. Unfortunately at age 33, like many who have played for 10 years in the NFL, his body began to breakdown and he had a subpar year in 2009.
He's nothing more than a backup at this point.
beer bacon
05-17-2010, 11:56 AM
You don't agree with me, so that makes me an idiot.
Typical internet forum retards, incapable of an inteligent conversation so they resort to name calling whilst hiding behind their internet annoynomity.
You're coming off as a punk.
keg in kc
05-17-2010, 11:59 AM
You don't agree with me, so that makes me an idiot.
Typical internet forum retards, incapable of an inteligent conversation so they resort to name calling whilst hiding behind their internet annoynomity.Yeah, instead of posting under their given name "Bump" and calling other posters retards. Quite "inteligent" counterpoint there.
CoMoChief
05-17-2010, 12:02 PM
Waters is still a top notch guard in this league. He's not the best LG like he once was......but he's a top 10 guard to say the least.
DaneMcCloud
05-17-2010, 12:05 PM
Waters is still a top notch guard in this league. He's not the best LG like he once was......but he's a top 10 guard to say the least.
No, he's not.
Marcellus
05-17-2010, 12:06 PM
Interesting. Last year Waters and Vrabel not showing was a HUGE deal.
Now they show up and it means nothing.
ModSocks
05-17-2010, 12:18 PM
I dont think Page signs. He must be looking for either a big payday or he's on the "I hate Haley" bandwagon that Pollard was on.
But, Otogwe hasn't signed yet either, and i'll gladly take him as Page's replacement.
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 12:20 PM
I dont think Page signs. He must be looking for either a big payday or he's on the "I hate Haley" bandwagon that Pollard was on.
But, Otogwe hasn't signed yet either, and i'll gladly take him as Page's replacement.Hell ya
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 12:21 PM
Chiefs LB Mike Vrabel Plans To Attend OTAs Today (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/5/17/1475183/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to)
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/240996/headshot_tiny.jpg by Joel Thorman (http://www.sbnation.com/users/Joel%20Thorman) on May 17, 2010 6:04 AM PDT (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/5/17/1475183/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to) in 2010 Campaign (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/section/2010-campaign) http://cdn3.sbnation.com/images/icons/comment.v1599.png 21 comments
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/391628/47028_chiefs_camp_football.jpg (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/photos/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to) More photos » (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/photos/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to) Orlin Wagner - AP
Browse more photos » (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/photos/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to)
Over the past few weeks, we've been making an assumption that LB Mike Vrabel (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1709/Mike_Vrabel) will not attend the voluntary portions of the Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/KAN) Organized Team Activities (OTAs).
Turns out, we were wrong (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/16/1950078/vrabel-comfortable-as-chiefs-start.html). Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star reports Vrabel plans on attending all the OTAs.
"I’m looking forward to being there and getting back to work," Vrabel said. "I told Todd (Haley) I plan to be at all of the (practices) and the minicamp. It’s the exact same schedule I had for my last seven years in New England."
The minicamp would be the lone mandatory camp the Chiefs will conduct in June.
Vrabel says last year, with all the change going on, he "wasn't in a big hurry" to get to Kansas City.
"Once I got there," he told Teicher, "and realized the type of people we had around and the type of people they wanted to bring in, it was fine."
Teicher reports Vrabel is also feeling a "sense of urgency" this season because, at his age, you're lucky to be in the NFL.
"When you turn 34 in the National Football League, you’re lucky to still have a job," Vrabel said. "So it’s closer to the end than it is to the beginning for me. I fully intend to put everything into this season and then I’ll evaluate things at the end of the season, I hope at the end of this season I’m able to do it again. If I’m not, then that will be it."
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I don't think Page signs. He must be looking for either a big payday or he's on the "I hate Haley" bandwagon that Pollard was on.
But, Otogwe hasn't signed yet either, and I'll gladly take him as Page's replacement.
FYP
Chiefs LB Mike Vrabel Plans To Attend OTAs Today (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/5/17/1475183/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to)
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/profile_images/240996/headshot_tiny.jpg by Joel Thorman (http://www.sbnation.com/users/Joel%20Thorman) on May 17, 2010 6:04 AM PDT (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/5/17/1475183/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to) in 2010 Campaign (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/section/2010-campaign) http://cdn3.sbnation.com/images/icons/comment.v1599.png 21 comments
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/391628/47028_chiefs_camp_football.jpg (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/photos/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to) More photos » (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/photos/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to) Orlin Wagner - AP
Browse more photos » (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/photos/chiefs-lb-mike-vrabel-plans-to)
Over the past few weeks, we've been making an assumption that LB Mike Vrabel (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1709/Mike_Vrabel) will not attend the voluntary portions of the Chiefs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/KAN) Organized Team Activities (OTAs).
Turns out, we were wrong (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/16/1950078/vrabel-comfortable-as-chiefs-start.html). Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star reports Vrabel plans on attending all the OTAs.
"I’m looking forward to being there and getting back to work," Vrabel said. "I told Todd (Haley) I plan to be at all of the (practices) and the minicamp. It’s the exact same schedule I had for my last seven years in New England."
The minicamp would be the lone mandatory camp the Chiefs will conduct in June.
Vrabel says last year, with all the change going on, he "wasn't in a big hurry" to get to Kansas City.
"Once I got there," he told Teicher, "and realized the type of people we had around and the type of people they wanted to bring in, it was fine."
Teicher reports Vrabel is also feeling a "sense of urgency" this season because, at his age, you're lucky to be in the NFL.
"When you turn 34 in the National Football League, you’re lucky to still have a job," Vrabel said. "So it’s closer to the end than it is to the beginning for me. I fully intend to put everything into this season and then I’ll evaluate things at the end of the season, I hope at the end of this season I’m able to do it again. If I’m not, then that will be it."
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A year ago, that picture brought excitement to me. Today it brings anger and frustration.
CoMoChief
05-17-2010, 12:30 PM
No, he's not.
OH OKAY MY BAD DANE!!!!!! :rolleyes:
CoMoChief
05-17-2010, 12:31 PM
FYP
So is Berry playing SS ???
So is Berry playing SS ???
How should I know?
DaneMcCloud
05-17-2010, 12:43 PM
OH OKAY MY BAD DANE!!!!!! :rolleyes:
You're the biggest fucking moron on this forum and everyone, probably including yourself, knows it.
So genius, why don't you explain to us all how the Chiefs offensive line improved with Wade Smith at left guard instead of Waters, if Waters is one of the ten best guards in the entire NFL?
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 12:49 PM
So is Berry playing SS ???
i sure hope not
Coogs
05-17-2010, 12:54 PM
A year ago, that picture brought excitement to me. Today it brings anger and frustration.
Just the opposite for me. I was a bit ticked off last season. Guy was brought in to be a leader, and stayed away.
This year he is here and working. That brings me more excitement. Makes me think more guys have bought into this regime and system than some would want you to believe.
Just the opposite for me. I was a bit ticked off last season. Guy was brought in to be a leader, and stayed away.
This year he is here and working. That brings me more excitement. Makes me think more guys have bought into this regime and system than some would want you to believe.
Last season Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel held out and weren't participating?
Coogs
05-17-2010, 12:59 PM
Last season Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel held out and weren't participating?
Vrabel and Waters were not here. Most everyone else was.
Titty Meat
05-17-2010, 01:16 PM
No page there? The FS position will suck.
MOhillbilly
05-17-2010, 01:20 PM
I dont think Page signs. He must be looking for either a big payday or he's on the "I hate Haley" bandwagon that Pollard was on.
But, Otogwe hasn't signed yet either, and i'll gladly take him as Page's replacement.
or he is hurt/fake hurt. doesnt wanna come in only to get cut and not get disability monies.
MOhillbilly
05-17-2010, 01:23 PM
ding dong- from the 1st practice gretz article-
The only man missing was S Jarrad Page. As a restricted free agent, Page has not yet signed his tender offer and thus can’t take part in the workout without signing an injury waiver. Head coach Todd Haley declined to talk about Page and his absence, preferring to “talk about the guys that are here.”
kstater
05-17-2010, 01:24 PM
Bump has a posting style of another member. Guesses as to who?
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 01:26 PM
Bump has a posting style of another member. Guesses as to who? saccopoo?
ModSocks
05-17-2010, 01:39 PM
or he is hurt/fake hurt. doesnt wanna come in only to get cut and not get disability monies.
Very good point
Titty Meat
05-17-2010, 01:54 PM
I read over on the Rams board that Otogwae is pretty beat up and thats why not many teams were intrested in trading for him.
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 01:56 PM
I read over on the Rams board that Otogwae is pretty beat up and thats why not many teams were intrested in trading for him.or maybe because Otogwae already let it be known that he is not signing his tender so he can become a UFA in june
why trade for a guy you can just sign in june?
Titty Meat
05-17-2010, 01:58 PM
or maybe because Otogwae already let it be known that he is not signing his tender so he can become a UFA in june
why trade for a guy you can just sign in june?
Because the only chance a team like the Chiefs will have to get him is via trade.
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 02:01 PM
Because the only chance a team like the Chiefs will have to get him is via trade.
which had nothing to do with your previous post about why teams aren't trading for him.
Titty Meat
05-17-2010, 02:14 PM
which had nothing to do with your previous post about why teams aren't trading for him.
Yea the Rams who won just one game last year would give him a low tender and let him walk for nothing. No wonder you just bitch in threads your post suck more cawk then a drunken prom slut.
booger
05-17-2010, 02:31 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/index.html
scroll down a bit for an interview from Waters today. Short 5 min or so clip twards the bottom in the video section. one from Haley too.
Hard to disagree with those who say his play has slipped and he could go downhill quick, but his attitude is much different from last year and he seems upbeat. Might have something to do with all of the competition on the OL now.
chiefzilla1501
05-17-2010, 03:59 PM
i sure hope not
Really? I don't see the problem with this. He's going to be great regardless of which safety position they put him at. I don't think Morgan's the answer. I don't think Page is the answer, but if he's our starter, he belongs at the Free. I'm still curious about Kendrick Lewis, who'd also play at the Free. And I don't think we can rule out one of our corners, whether Leggett or Washington, moving over to the Free. I think i remembered they experimented a bit with those two late in the season.
If Berry's our SS he'd be the QB of the defense. Fine with me.
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 04:02 PM
I read over on the Rams board that Otogwae is pretty beat up and thats why not many teams were intrested in trading for him.
Because the only chance a team like the Chiefs will have to get him is via trade.
Yea the Rams who won just one game last year would give him a low tender and let him walk for nothing. No wonder you just bitch in threads your post suck more cawk then a drunken prom slut.and yet another post which has nothing to do with point you started out with
it's like your brain can't stay focused long enough to carry over to your next post.
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 04:06 PM
Really? I don't see the problem with this. He's going to be great regardless of which safety position they put him at. I don't think Morgan's the answer. I don't think Page is the answer, but if he's our starter, he belongs at the Free. I'm still curious about Kendrick Lewis, who'd also play at the Free. And I don't think we can rule out one of our corners, whether Leggett or Washington, moving over to the Free. I think i remembered they experimented a bit with those two late in the season.
If Berry's our SS he'd be the QB of the defense. Fine with me.
because i want him playing to his strength .... coverage.
let some other meathead play SS and slam himself into the RB/FB's and have a shelf life of 3 years. We want Berry in the secondary intercepting passes and hitting receivers for the next 10 years.
SAUTO
05-17-2010, 04:08 PM
because i want him playing to his strength .... coverage.
let some other meathead play SS and slam himself into the RB/FB's and have a shelf life of 3 years. We want Berry in the secondary intercepting passes and hitting receivers for the next 10 years.
THIS AND THIS AND AGAIN THIS
chiefzilla1501
05-17-2010, 04:20 PM
because i want him playing to his strength .... coverage.
let some other meathead play SS and slam himself into the RB/FB's and have a shelf life of 3 years. We want Berry in the secondary intercepting passes and hitting receivers for the next 10 years.
You've got one of the most multi-dimensional safeties to ever come out of the draft and you're going to put him in a position to play one-dimensionally in Center field?
The Strong Safety is the leader of the defense, a guy who absolutely has to be versatile, and can line up all over the field. A free safety can be any coverage guy who can play deep, has speed, and can play deep all the time. A much, much, much easier skill set to find.
A Strong Safety is a hell of a lot more important than Free Safety. I understand your point about injury history, but if we're using a #5 pick on a Safety, I want him to be the leader of this defense who gets to use every last bit of his talents, not a guy whose job is to act as the last line of defense.
Simply Red
05-17-2010, 04:32 PM
I know who Bump is. Anyone who doesn't - hasn't been paying attention.
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 04:48 PM
You've got one of the most multi-dimensional safeties to ever come out of the draft and you're going to put him in a position to play one-dimensionally in Center field?
The Strong Safety is the leader of the defense, a guy who absolutely has to be versatile, and can line up all over the field. A free safety can be any coverage guy who can play deep, has speed, and can play deep all the time. A much, much, much easier skill set to find.
A Strong Safety is a hell of a lot more important than Free Safety. I understand your point about injury history, but if we're using a #5 pick on a Safety, I want him to be the leader of this defense who gets to use every last bit of his talents, not a guy whose job is to act as the last line of defense.we have a fundamental different idea about football so there is no point in discussing this any further.
mikey23545
05-17-2010, 04:54 PM
Who hides?...
Jeebus, he doesn't know you very well....ROFL
chiefzilla1501
05-17-2010, 05:01 PM
we have a fundamental different idea about football so there is no point in discussing this any further.
The Strong Safety is easily the more important position of the two. The free safety's job is to cover and play center field. The strong safety has to be able to both hit and cover. It's rare you find a guy who does both really well. When you find that guy, it's a tremendous waste of talent to not use him in that way.
I want to put him in the position where he can make the most impact. I understand your point that he becomes more of an injury risk, but that's the risk I'm willing to take.
Because if you're talking about best use of his skill set, there isn't a shred of a doubt that he belongs at Strong Safety.
Rasputin
05-17-2010, 05:04 PM
I'm just happy Berry is a Chief! FS or SS he is a Chief he is a Chief :):D:clap:
I'm sure our coaches will figure out what will work best for him & the team. He may be asked to learn both FS & SS and depending on the game plan or situation that the coaches feel best. I do want to see him blitz the QB too. He is a play maker and a CHIEF :)
Mr. Laz
05-17-2010, 05:22 PM
The Strong Safety is easily the more important position of the two.
I want to put him in the position where he can make the most impact.
Because if you're talking about best use of his skill set, there isn't a shred of a doubt that he belongs at Strong Safety.
I disagree completely /Ed Reed
I named my very first illegitimate child, "Bump". I wonder if that's him?
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