Shotgun people... drop some knowledge on me

[pr_capone]

I'm looking into different firearms for home defense. After all my research was done this is the weapon I have decided on.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/336/products_id/39622

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/39/39622.jpg

The shotgun (inc. pistol grip kit) is $265 including shipping plus a $20 FFL fee paid here locally. I've read up on the weapon, looked at reviews, & watched videos.

Is there any reason I should not pick this up? At $285 out the door I'm not sure it isn't the perfect fit for me but I know shit about shotguns.

[mlyonsd]

Since hopefully you'll never use it I think it would be fine.

Or you could go to a gun shop and pick up a used 12 gauge for less money.

[Bane]

Looks like a pretty good shot gun to me,but I like my hand guns for home defense.

[pr_capone]

Looks like a pretty good shot gun to me,but I like my hand guns for home defense.

I had a 9mm that I kept for about two years but the missus just never felt comfortable with it.

Almost picked up a .380 and just missed out on a damn fine deal on a Kel-Tec with a red dot for $330.

That said, the wife has fired a handgun only once in her life but has fired plenty of shotguns so I know she would feel more comfortable with the Mossy.

[KCinNY]

For home defense, shotguns are good since you're not likely to miss.

Personally I like my 9mm carbine for anybody stupid enough to break into my house.

[Steve]

I have a Remmington 870 tactical which is almost exactly like that.I say good choice.I believe shotgun is better chose for 2 main reasons.#1 less chance of making it through your walls and hurting somone you did not intend.#2 The sound of cocking a pump shotgun is recognizablke by almost anyone and hopefully that would be all it takes.Also you dont need to be as accurate while crapping your pants in frightening situation.,

[Steve]

9mm carbine?I hope you dont live next door to me.

[Bane]

I had a 9mm that I kept for about two years but the missus just never felt comfortable with it.

Almost picked up a .380 and just missed out on a damn fine deal on a Kel-Tec with a red dot for $330.

That said, the wife has fired a handgun only once in her life but has fired plenty of shotguns so I know she would feel more comfortable with the Mossy.

Better to use whats more comfortable I guess then.

[googlegoogle]

Buy tristar semi. Great prices under $400. Pump shotguns suck.

http://www.gunblast.com/TriStar.htm

[Kraus]

I'd say go for it. I've got one of these sitting by my bed and taught my girlfriend and roommates how to use it.

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/Mossberg-500-Tactical-01.jpg

[T-post Tom]

Might I suggest....


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[boogblaster]

Any thing in a 12 gauge pump .....

[BIG K]

Yeah,....I live in CA which really restricts the type of weapon you can buy. Luckily for me, I still carry a CCWP and can buy pretty much anything I want, but I have to justify it. In your state, I assume you can get anything you want. Home defense? Prolly nothing better than a 12 guage pump, whatever model. No need to get cute.

[Bowser]

Where the hell is Bwana?

Kraus has it right, but I'm pretty sure you'd pay more than 285 for that bad boy.....

[BIG K]

I'd say go for it. I've got one of these sitting by my bed and taught my girlfriend and roommates how to use it.

http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/Mossberg-500-Tactical-01.jpg

I have the same gun but, it was bought before the legislation took over in CA....

Nice gun but, you can get something alot cheaper I am sure...

[mlyonsd]

I have a Remmington 870 tactical which is almost exactly like that.I say good choice.I believe shotgun is better chose for 2 main reasons.#1 less chance of making it through your walls and hurting somone you did not intend.#2 The sound of cocking a pump shotgun is recognizablke by almost anyone and hopefully that would be all it takes.Also you dont need to be as accurate while crapping your pants in frightening situation.,

Almost nine years and only 50 posts? Wow.

Oh, and I have three 870's in my gun case.

[go bo]

Almost nine years and only 50 posts? Wow.

Oh, and I have three 870's in my gun case.three???

one for each hand and one for ???

on second thought, i don't wanna know what you hold the third one with... :eek: :eek: :eek:

[petegz28]

Shotguns are the best for home defense for a few reasons. One, as someone already stated, you are likely to miss with a handgun. You have to think of the situation as it would be..

A) You are going to be scared as ****
B) You are going to be nervous as ****
C) You probably are going to be more than 5-7ft away from the invader
D) There is a good chance it is going to be dark or if you turn on the lights you are going to be squinting from your eyes being closed from sleeping and being in the dark

Shaky hands, less than optimum visual environment and a certain amount of distance all lead to shotgun > handgun

[notorious]

What about a Taurus Judge?


I have heard that they are glorified snake killers, not good home protection. I thought that it would be perfect for home protection. Have I heard incorrectly?

[Iowanian]

My advice is get a dependable, functional shotgun you're comfortable with, and a mossberg 500 or the 870 would fit that description.

During my C&C classes, they made points that if you ever have to use your weapon in a defense, it's going to be shown in court. A weapon with a bold name(like the Judge) or a decked out tactical shotgun/black rifle will not look good to a jury.

A 12g with buckshot gives you some room for error under stress, and is alot cheaper than a dependable handgun.

[SAUTO]

What about a Taurus Judge?


I have heard that they are glorified snake killers, not good home protection. I thought that it would be perfect for home protection. Have I heard incorrectly?

i own one. 1 410 and then 1 45 long colt then alternate. come on in. the judge would be just fine,
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[DeezNutz]

870 + buck = peace of mind.

[SAUTO]

My advice is get a dependable, functional shotgun you're comfortable with, and a mossberg 500 or the 870 would fit that description.

During my C&C classes, they made points that if you ever have to use your weapon in a defense, it's going to be shown in court. A weapon with a bold name(like the Judge) or a decked out tactical shotgun/black rifle will not look good to a jury.

A 12g with buckshot gives you some room for error under stress, and is alot cheaper than a dependable handgun.

IMO if they are in your house who gives a fuck what the gun looks like to the jury. its YOUR house, they shouldnt be there.

i dont carry the judge with me, the .357sig glock is perfect for that. or if i want to go bigger the .45 h&k works too.
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[SAUTO]

870 + buck = peace of mind.

the way my rooms are set up i would be worried that yhe buckshot would/could penetrate to the other bedrooms, woth the 410 i dont have to and the 45 would stop them if the 410 isnt enough of a deterrent
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[notorious]

I just watched a 10 minute segment about the AA-12 on the Military Channel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun


WOW. It would be my choice for home defense. :)

[notorious]

i own one. 1 410 and then 1 45 long colt then alternate. come on in. the judge would be just fine,
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Nice. I love how you alternate the ammo. The intruder will appreciate being torn to pieces by such a creative homeowner.


Nice Work! :)

[btlook1]

I also have an 870 express...more of a quail/ turkey gun but It would be the first thing I would grab if someone was trying to get in my house. It's loaded and leaning up next to the closet door so it's handy just in case. If you ever do use it you can say it's your bird huntin gun....less likely to draw a jury's attention as a tactical shot gun if you are getting sued for shooting some dirt bag that was breaking in....shoot to kill!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Heh. I just shot a rattlesnake with my Judge last week. I think the judge would be a good choice if you want a shotgun especially since you could carry it concealed.

Personally I like an M4 Benelli.

[CrazyPhuD]

http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_12.htm

Reliable as hell and you can get mags in 10rd to I think 20rd if you really want.

[MikeTheWildcat]

This post I've quoted is right on. You will be scared, nervous, and shaky. Shotguns (12, 20, or 410) will do the job. Plus, the sound they make when pumped might scare the bad guy and make him run without you having to fire a shot.

Shotguns are the best for home defense for a few reasons. One, as someone already stated, you are likely to miss with a handgun. You have to think of the situation as it would be..

A) You are going to be scared as ****
B) You are going to be nervous as ****
C) You probably are going to be more than 5-7ft away from the invader
D) There is a good chance it is going to be dark or if you turn on the lights you are going to be squinting from your eyes being closed from sleeping and being in the dark

Shaky hands, less than optimum visual environment and a certain amount of distance all lead to shotgun > handgun

[Stewie]

My advice is get a dependable, functional shotgun you're comfortable with, and a mossberg 500 or the 870 would fit that description.

During my C&C classes, they made points that if you ever have to use your weapon in a defense, it's going to be shown in court. A weapon with a bold name(like the Judge) or a decked out tactical shotgun/black rifle will not look good to a jury.

A 12g with buckshot gives you some room for error under stress, and is alot cheaper than a dependable handgun.

I have this. I bought it in about 2000. Shot it alot when I first got it. Solid shotgun. Not used for home defense since it's disassembled in its case.

[Bwana]

Benelli M4

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php

http://i38.tinypic.com/15um87.jpg

[btlook1]

My advice is get a dependable, functional shotgun you're comfortable with, and a mossberg 500 or the 870 would fit that description.

During my C&C classes, they made points that if you ever have to use your weapon in a defense, it's going to be shown in court. A weapon with a bold name(like the Judge) or a decked out tactical shotgun/black rifle will not look good to a jury.

A 12g with buckshot gives you some room for error under stress, and is alot cheaper than a dependable handgun.

I believe I heard the same....

[pr_capone]

Benelli M4

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php

http://i38.tinypic.com/15um87.jpg

I can buy 5 Mossy's for the price on 1 Benelli M4. Price is an issue.

It's not like I can get a shotgun via torrent. :D

[Bowser]

Benelli M4

http://www.benelliusa.com/shotguns/benelli_m4.php

http://i38.tinypic.com/15um87.jpg

I would probably literally poop myself if I saw one of those things leveled at me.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Akimbo Model 1887's rape.

[crispystl]

Akimbo Model 1887's rape.

Word LMAO

[BigOlChiefsfan]

Some practical Advice (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2005/09/home-defense-shotguns.html)

More advice, same fellow (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/search/label/Shotguns)


I have a few additional thoughts, for what they're worth. I designate pump shotguns for this duty, because I already own a couple of 12's that are set up to suit me - a Benelli pump 'tactical' w/ghost rings and an old Winchester '97 guard gun from Leavenworth - but please don't pass up a good deal on an autoloader in good shape. Old Browning A5s, Remington 11's or 1100's are great guns and can do this job just fine. My old Rem. 11 'trench gun' was stolen, or she'd still be doing guard duty.

For many, many years my 'home defense' shotgun was an H&R 'topper' singleshot 20 with an elastic cuff full of spare ammo. Those little pawn shop single shots may not be sexy...and you won't have the mystical 'sound of a pump chambering a shell' which is supposed to scare away the weaker badguys, leaving a trail of watery feces - but that little topper will toss shot down range just fine, thank you. And with practice you can load singletons mucho pronto. I grew up hunting quail w/that little single shot 20 and always got 1 bird per covey, my goal was to get fast enough to reload and hit 2. But they're FAST. So I bought a double 20 to solve that problem (but never liked it)

Let me add - if you plan to share this with the wife for times when you're not home - or if you don't feel the urge to strut around beating your chest with the largest weapon at the campfire - let me suggest a 20 guage instead of a 12 for home defense. A 20 throws about 70% of the 12's payload, but at closer to 50% of the recoil. Lighter gun, too, a careful shopper can find a pretty good deal on 20's or 16's. And while you won't have as many buckshot choices, let's face it, most of yez don't know from buckshot choice anyways. So the #4 buck that the 20 throws will serve you well, and kill those pesky goblins graveyard dead. While we don't want you to compromise if bears are in the picture, 20's have a really, really good batting average w/goblins. And a DA can't get as worked up about you defending yourself with the shotgun smaller than a 12...or a 10 or a 16. Heaven forbid we ever have to shoot someone, or even worse, shoot someone in the jurisdiction of a hack politician wanting to ride our misfortune to the top of his profession. The Benelli 'looks scary' but it's paid for so I'll take my chances - but a pawn shop fixer-upper looks like Dad's deer and turkey gun. Even w/my scary black shotgun, it's still better to be judged by 12 PETA fans than carried by 6 NRA members.

I like the elastic cuff on the gun to hold 5 spare shells. The mag extensions are nice if you have frequent shootouts...I'm not in that game and don't plan to be.

I recommend fixing a 'grab bag' to keep by your gun, or hanging on it to grab both and go if you hear a window break. Flashlight (or better yet, a headlight), a few spare shells & lamp batteries, a knife, some rope &/or twist ties in case the goblin surrenders and you want to tie him up and let the wife and kids kick him awhile until the cops arrive. The goblin code of honor won't let 'em rat anyone out if they get kicked by children. Ha! What goblin code of honor?

[Pablo]

Great advice BOCF. You can pick up a 20 guage junker at Walmart for around $100. Nothing wrong with that.

[verbaljitsu]

You still have to aim a shotgun. They are not magic, and frankly, you are not any more likely to hit anything at indoor ranges with one than you are a rifle. A shotgun would only be more accurate than a pistol in the sense that it has a stock, so you get 3 points of contact with it instead of 1 or 2. You will still have to practice with it and learn to run it.

Mossberg 500, Mossberg 590, and Remington 870's are the most ubiquitous and the "best" for the money.

[googlegoogle]

Pump shotgun = meh.

Get a 2 barrel.

http://www.davecullen.com/columbine/img/weapons-2-barrel-shotgun.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sW65ilskOC8/SL2bB-1d_kI/AAAAAAAAM9M/cAQOwPCLE5Y/s400/FourBarrelShotgun.jpg

http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=66069

[MOhillbilly]

Mossberg 500 mariner. you can get em new for around 300. Takes 2.75 & 3in mag.
ive had mine for goin on 15 years.

never rack your shotgun to 'scare' an intruder. Rack it before you blow em in half.
I dont know about you guys but if someones breakin in you dont want em to hear,see, of smell you before you take a shot.

[Bwana]

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never rack your shotgun to 'scare' an intruder. Rack it before you blow em in half.


Exactly........If some meth monkey has the nuts to break into my house at two in the morning, they will be leaving in a bag.

[Bane]

NiceExactly........If some meth monkey has the nuts to break into my house at two in the morning, they will be leaving in a bag.

Nice!!!!

I caught the wife browsing online for A Desert Eagle 44 magnum the other day.....Sounds like daddy gonna get a new toy soon.
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[MOhillbilly]

Nice

Nice!!!!

I caught the wife browsing online for A Desert Eagle 44 magnum the other day.....Sounds like daddy gonna get a new toy soon.
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Aint worth it imo. Had one for 10 years or so, the o.g. imi w/ the unflared ambidetrous safety.
its big,bulky,impracticle, 8 shot mag.
But if big, heavy, powerful, & expensive is what you are looking for theyre alot of fun.
Super easy take down.

[Bane]

Aint worth it imo. Had one for 10 years or so, the o.g. imi w/ the unflared ambidetrous safety.
its big,bulky,impracticle, 8 shot mag.
But if big, heavy, powerful, & expensive is what you are looking for theyre alot of fun.
Super easy take down.

Basically I just want one.I doubt I'll shoot it a lot but my dad had a Ruger super red hawk that I used to shoot when I was a kid so I just kinda want the semi auto ya know.I'm going to start re loading ammo later this year just for a hobby so I need a reason to re load 44 ammo,lol.
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[pr_capone]

Can anyone tell me about the Maverick 88? Looks like I can get one locally for $249 w/pistol grip.

From what I have read they are just a sub-brand of Mossberg and all the parts are interchangeable. The biggest difference between the two weapons seems to be that the safety is on the tang on the 500 and the safety on the Maverick is a trigger guard safety.

[pr_capone]

BTW, is there haggling at a gun shop for a new weapon or is it like a grocery store where prices are as marked?

[MOhillbilly]

BTW, is there haggling at a gun shop for a new weapon or is it like a grocery store where prices are as marked?

cash money talks. Never pay sticker price. shop around.

[CoMoChief]

Shotgun BANG

Whad is up wit dat THANG

I wanna know, how does it HANG.



There.....hope I helped you out.