Who is going to win Carwin or Lesnar

[RNR]

What say you?

[KcMizzou]

I'm rooting for Carwin. Lesnar's a freak, but I don't know that he's been hit by a guy with that kind of power just yet.

Of course, if Lesnar gets him (or anybody else) on his back, It's probably over.

I'll take Carwin, I guess. The whole world knows exactly what Lesnar is going to do. If Carwin can avoid a takedown or two, and deliver a couple of those bombs, it'll be an entirely different fight.

[Buck]

Carwin is going to win.

Lesnar hasn't fought since UFC 100, which was July 11, 2009. UFC 116 takes place on July 3, 2010.

A year without fighting won't help Lesnar.

[RNR]

Carwin is going to win.

Lesnar hasn't fought since UFC 100, which was July 11, 2009. UFC 116 takes place on July 3, 2010.

A year without fighting won't help Lesnar.

Kind of surprised he does not want a tune up fight~

[BWillie]

Is this for the WWF title or something?

[Brock]

Since they never said what kind of illness nearly did Lesnar in, I'm going to say Carwin.

[pr_capone]

I'd like to see Carwin beat Lesnar by decapitation.

[RNR]

I am picking Lesnar but the long layoff concerns me~

[KcMizzou]

Is this for the WWF title or something?:grr:

[Ebolapox]

:grr:

ROFL

[PornChief]

hope Lesnar wins only so it sets up a bigger fight between him and Fedor.

[TrickyNicky]

Heads up, WEC 49 is on Versus right now.

[Ebolapox]

hope Lesnar wins only so it sets up a bigger fight between him and Fedor.

I'd bet a LOT of money that fedor/lesner never happens.

[Delano]

Since they never said what kind of illness nearly did Lesnar in, I'm going to say Carwin.

Some badass diverticulitis was causing shit to seep into his stomach. On top of that he had mono.
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[SAUTO]

I'd bet a LOT of money that fedor/lesner never happens.

the ONLY reason i want lesnar to win i s to keep the hope alive that fedor will get to be the one....
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[Bane]

hope Lesnar wins only so it sets up a murder trial for Fedor.

FYP

[kcxiv]

I am picking Lesnar but the long layoff concerns me~

not me he has had what 5 total career fights maybe? lol

[SAUTO]

FYP

i actually deleted that part of my post in the fathers day spirit
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[PornChief]

I'd bet a LOT of money that fedor/lesner never happens.

sadly, I'll agree with that. but it's all the more reason to hope Lesnar wins - if he does, a fight with Fedor would make so much money it'd be silly for either party to not make it happen. It'd be the UFC's version of Ali - Frazier and Leonard - Hagler rolled into one.

[Bane]

i actually deleted that part of my post in the fathers day spirit
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Just an opinion,but I'd say Fedor would absolutely DESTROY Lesnar.

[Duck Dog]

Carwin wins by smashing his fists into Lesnars face. His clinch and dirty boxing will be key, although he won't be able to bully him like he did Mir.

[Delano]

Just an opinion,but I'd say Fedor would absolutely DESTROY Lesnar.

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[Param]

I'm going with Lesnar

[UL Washington]

For what it's worth Carwin is a Bronco fan he is from Greeley, CO.

[kysirsoze]

Lesnar's the better athlete so I'm going with him. It's a toss up, though. I might have to work the night of this fight. I hope not.

[Hydrae]

Is this for the WWF title or something?

The World Wildlife Fund has titles?

[suds79]

Lesnar.

Bigger, stronger, faster is usually hard to counter.

[CoMoChief]

Lesnar.

Ground n pound....Lesnar wins.

[CoMoChief]

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Fedor's a pussy.

He's proven that by not wanting to fight in the UFC.

Plain n simple. There's no counter argument to that.

[SAUTO]

Fedor's a pussy.

He's proven that by not wanting to fight in the UFC.

Plain n simple. There's no counter argument to that.

he doesnt want to get into a randy couture situation. i cant say that i blame him. he also thinks dana white is a jackass and i also agree

[boogblaster]

blink .. its over ....

[ArrowheadHawk]

he doesnt want to get into a randy couture situation. i cant say that i blame him. he also thinks dana white is a jackass and i also agreeWell, he is a smart jackass who helped take the UFC from the brink of collapse to what it is today.

[SAUTO]

Well, he is a smart jackass who helped take the UFC from the brink of collapse to what it is today.

still doesnt change the fact that he's a jackass, and he rubs many fighters the wrong way.

[ArrowheadHawk]

still doesnt change the fact that he's a jackass, and he rubs many fighters the wrong way.Mostly just the ones with big egos who think they are bigger than the organization, i.e. Tito and Dan Henderson.

[ModSocks]

Carwin is going to win.

Lesnar hasn't fought since UFC 100, which was July 11, 2009. UFC 116 takes place on July 3, 2010.

A year without fighting won't help Lesnar.

I was going to say Lesnar until Buck made this great point.

BUT, if Lesnar does come in "fight" shape, I'd expect Lesnar would get carwin to the ground as soon as possible and control him for the entire fight. Basically, what GSP did to Dan Hardy.

Oh, And Im taking Carwin, if I didn't make that clear

[RNR]

I was going to say Lesnar until Buck made this great point.

BUT, if Lesnar does come in "fight" shape, I'd expect Lesnar would get carwin to the ground as soon as possible and control him for the entire fight. Basically, what GSP did to Dan Hardy.

Oh, And Im taking Carwin, if I didn't make that clear

That is the same concern most have is ring rust. I don't really care who wins, and I gather many hate Lesnar because he was a WWF wrestler. I don't follow pro wrestling so he does not matter to me. I think you nailed it as far as Lesnar bulldoging him and keeping it on the ground. If he can do that I like his chances. I heard him talking about Carwin not wanting to trade punches with him. I think he is just talking smack because if he stands toe to toe with this guy, Carwin's chances improve and his lessen IMO I am still taking Lesnar~

[SnakeXJones]

I dont think carwin will get out once Lesnar gets him on the ground I'm going for lesnar but this is gonna be a amazing fight either way

[ModSocks]

That is the same concern most have is ring rust. I don't really care who wins, and I gather many hate Lesnar because he was a WWF wrestler. I don't follow pro wrestling so he does not matter to me. I think you nailed it as far as Lesnar bulldoging him and keeping it on the ground. If he can do that I like his chances. I heard him talking about Carwin not wanting to trade punches with him. I think he is just talking smack because if he stands toe to toe with this guy, Carwin's chances improve and his lessen IMO I am still taking Lesnar~

I don't hate Lesnar. I actually like him, be brings great entertainment value to the sport. As far as his smack goes, maybe he's just trying to play Carwin, make Carwin focus on his stand up rather than his ground game even though Lesnar probably has no intent to stand with him at all. Lesnar is not a great boxer, standing with Carwin is suicide for him IMO.

What should be interesting is how much damage can Carwin do to Lesnar from the bottom. That guy has tremendous power while punching in short distances. And I don't think Carwin will be able to push Lesnar against the fence and pound him either.

Carwin will have to box with him, defend his takedowns and be prepared to do damage from the bottom. I hope Carwin has his Cardio up.

[ModSocks]

I dont think carwin will get out once Lesnar gets him on the ground I'm going for lesnar but this is gonna be a amazing fight either way

I dont think so either. Once Lesnar mounts him, I don't see Carwin getting out of it. Unless he can strike from the bottom enough to take some of that power out of Lesnar.

[RNR]

I dont think carwin will get out once Lesnar gets him on the ground I'm going for lesnar but this is gonna be a amazing fight either way

I am looking forward to it also. Unless while ill Lesnar caught a case of the dumbass, this goes to the mat quick. That said I would love to see the big boys swat it out :)

[SAUTO]

Mostly just the ones with big egos who think they are bigger than the organization, i.e. Tito and Dan Henderson.

huh really? better check again



rampage
cro cop
fedor
the list goes on and on

[SnakeXJones]

I just hope this fight dont turn into a Rampage vs Evans type that match was just miserable to watch

[RNR]

I just hope this fight dont turn into a Rampage vs Evans type that match was just miserable to watch

Don't be shocked if it is just that. Lesnar laying on him waiting him out~

[ModSocks]

Don't be shocked if it is just that. Lesnar laying on him waiting him out~

Pretty much. This is most likely what will happen. Maybe we'll get lucky and Carwin will be able to defend Lesnar's takedowns and make him stand up and box.

How awesome would it be to see Lesnar get laid the **** out?

Anyhow, more reason why I wish the rest of the fight card was better.

[Wyndex]

Since they never said what kind of illness nearly did Lesnar in, I'm going to say Carwin.

it was mono, as reported..many times

[Bane]

Pretty much. This is most likely what will happen. Maybe we'll get lucky and Carwin will be able to defend Lesnar's takedowns and make him stand up and box.

How awesome would it be to see Lesnar get laid the **** out?

Anyhow, more reason why I wish the rest of the fight card was better.

Would be great if whoever does it stands over him and talks shit like he would.:clap:

[Brock]

it was mono, as reported..many times

No, it wasn't, dumbass.

[RNR]

No, it wasn't, dumbass.

Brock you have always been one of favotite posters. That said I have always wondered when you would come out of your shell. This beating around the bush crap is getting old. Speak up Brock say what you mean damn it~

[TheGuardian]

Ring rust is a real thing. Brock was able to get by in his first few fights simply by being bigger and strong than those guys. That isn't the case this time and Carwin might hit harder than anyone in all of MMA. It won't get out of the first round and Carwin is going to beat his face in.

[RNR]

Ring rust is a real thing. Brock was able to get by in his first few fights simply by being bigger and strong than those guys. That isn't the case this time and Carwin might hit harder than anyone in all of MMA. It won't get out of the first round and Carwin is going to beat his face in.

I disagree but would not be shocked if you are right. Carwin certainly has the ability to clock him out. That said that only happens is Lesnar is willing to stand and trade, that and don't kid yourself Lesnar has the power to check Carwin at the door also. I see this going to the mat quickly and if the ring rust allows it and Carwin can stuff the take down he may indeed knock him out. I am betting against Carwin because I don't think he gets the chance to to hit and ends up on bottom and running out of gas~

[ModSocks]

I disagree but would not be shocked if you are right. Carwin certainly has the ability to clock him out. That said that only happens is Lesnar is willing to stand and trade, that and don't kid yourself Lesnar has the power to check Carwin at the door also. I see this going to the mat quickly and if the ring rust allows it and Carwin can stuff the take down he may indeed knock him out. I am betting against Carwin because I don't think he gets the chance to to hit and ends up on bottom and running out of gas~

I think they'll box for a little while. but once lesnar gets chin checked, straight to the mat it goes, where it will remain for the next 4 rounds.

[RNR]

I think they'll box for a little while. but once lesnar gets chin checked, straight to the mat it goes, where it will remain for the next 4 rounds.

He is a fool if he does IMO He is a big kid and has the power to drop Carwin if he lands. However he is playing into Carwins hand I cannot imagine why he would~

[ModSocks]

He is a fool if he does IMO He is a big kid and has the power to drop Carwin if he lands. However he is playing into Carwins hand I cannot imagine why he would~

Entertainment value. He's from the WWF, so he understands putting on a good show. Hence all the trash talk etc. Which is why i like him. Sports are better when you add the drama of trash talk. He has the ego and attitude to do it. I think he'll want too. But if he gets rocked early, he'll put that shit to the side and trade it in for some ground and pound.

Unlike GSP, who does not understand the value of entertainment.

[Duck Dog]

Let's look at their wresteling accomplishments.

Lesnar-
Amateur wrestling
Big Ten Conference
Big Ten Conference Championship (1999, 2000)
Ranked the #1 Heavyweight in the Big Ten Conference (2000)
National Collegiate Athletic Association
NCAA Division I runner-up (1999)
NCAA Division I Championship (2000)
North Dakota State University's annual Bison tournament
Heavyweight Championship (1997–1999)[113]
National Junior College Athletic Association
NJCAA All-American (1997, 1998)
Junior College National Championship (1998)

Carwin-
NCAA Division II National Wrestling Heavyweight Runner-Up 1996–97 (2 times)
NCAA Division II Wrestling Heavyweight Champion (1999)

Carwin can wrestle with Lesnar but Lesnar can't box with Carwin.

[RNR]

Entertainment value. He's from the WWF, so he understands putting on a good show. Hence all the trash talk etc. Which is why i like him. Sports are better when you add the drama of trash talk. He has the ego and attitude to do it. I think he'll want too. But if he gets rocked early, he'll put that shit to the side and trade it in for some ground and pound.

Unlike GSP, who does not understand the value of entertainment.

He does understand the value of winning~

[RNR]

Let's look at their wresteling accomplishments.

Lesnar-
Amateur wrestling
Big Ten Conference
Big Ten Conference Championship (1999, 2000)
Ranked the #1 Heavyweight in the Big Ten Conference (2000)
National Collegiate Athletic Association
NCAA Division I runner-up (1999)
NCAA Division I Championship (2000)
North Dakota State University's annual Bison tournament
Heavyweight Championship (1997–1999)[113]
National Junior College Athletic Association
NJCAA All-American (1997, 1998)
Junior College National Championship (1998)

Carwin-
NCAA Division II National Wrestling Heavyweight Runner-Up 1996–97 (2 times)
NCAA Division II Wrestling Heavyweight Champion (1999)

Carwin can wrestle with Lesnar but Lesnar can't box with Carwin.

And it is as simple as that~

[ModSocks]

Let's look at their wresteling accomplishments.

Lesnar-
Amateur wrestling
Big Ten Conference
Big Ten Conference Championship (1999, 2000)
Ranked the #1 Heavyweight in the Big Ten Conference (2000)
National Collegiate Athletic Association
NCAA Division I runner-up (1999)
NCAA Division I Championship (2000)
North Dakota State University's annual Bison tournament
Heavyweight Championship (1997–1999)[113]
National Junior College Athletic Association
NJCAA All-American (1997, 1998)
Junior College National Championship (1998)

Carwin-
NCAA Division II National Wrestling Heavyweight Runner-Up 1996–97 (2 times)
NCAA Division II Wrestling Heavyweight Champion (1999)

Carwin can wrestle with Lesnar but Lesnar can't box with Carwin.

Uhm.....Lesnar's list looks a helluva lot more impressive than Carwin's, so Im not sure how you reached that conclusion. I don't doubt carwin can wrestle, I just don't think there is much he can do with that fucking monster laying on top of him.

Look at the way he dominated Mir.

[RNR]

Uhm.....Lesnar's list looks a helluva lot more impressive than Carwin's, so Im not sure how you reached that conclusion. I don't doubt carwin can wrestle, I just don't think there is much he can do with that ****ing monster laying on top of him.

Look at the way he dominated Mir.

I agreed that Lesnar should not box, that said I don't think Carwin wants any part of the ground game~

[Sully]

Im not sure the time off will matter much. It's not like he has a ton of technique...

1) tackle guy
2) smother guy/punch guy
3) insult beer company
4) get on top of wife

[RNR]

Im not sure the time off will matter much. It's not like he has a ton of technique...

1) tackle guy
2) smother guy/punch guy
3) insult beer company
4) get on top of wife

LMAO post of the thread~

[Brock]

Ring rust is a real thing. Brock was able to get by in his first few fights simply by being bigger and strong than those guys. That isn't the case this time and Carwin might hit harder than anyone in all of MMA. It won't get out of the first round and Carwin is going to beat his face in.

I think this may be the case as well. This is easily the toughest competition Lesnar has faced. Carwin handled Mir like it was nothing.

[CoMoChief]

I think this may be the case as well. This is easily the toughest competition Lesnar has faced. Carwin handled Mir like it was nothing.

Mir sucks.

[CoMoChief]

Would be great if whoever does it stands over him and talks shit like he would.:clap:

I dont recall Lesnar ever talking shit over someone.

I bet you're referring to the time in UFC 100 Lesnar ****ed Mir up, Mir didn't know where he was at for about 15min and Brock went over and said "Talk shit now mother f'r". Which as you recall, it was Mir that was talking shit on Lesnar to begin with.

That crybaby got what he deserved.

[Brock]

Mir sucks.

Yeah, Mir is quite a bit past his prime, but he has a win against Lesnar, doesn't he?

[RNR]

Yeah, Mir is quite a bit past his prime, but he has a win against Lesnar, doesn't he?

Lesnar was a 137 years old, he is always lyin bout his age~

[KcMizzou]

As a side note...

Mir's got a pretty bright future as a commentator when he's done. He's really good on the WEC shows. Florian's very good too. (And he's already done some work for ESPN.)

The one annoying thing about Mir is the fact that he continually says "he gots to" rather than "He's got to". Minor, but annoying.

[CoMoChief]

he doesnt want to get into a randy couture situation. i cant say that i blame him. he also thinks dana white is a jackass and i also agree

UFC offered him the biggest most insane ($$$) MMA contract for a handful of fights. I know a lot of people don't like Dana White, but Bud Selig is the biggest fucking idiot in all of pro league commish's and you don't see MLB players saying "I don't like Selig, I'm going to Japan to play, it's a great league w/ great players".

In Strikeforce, since they're so small, just like Affliction, are pretty much basing most of their programming off of Fedor, whom by the way pretty much gets to fight on his terms and nothing else but his terms.

Put it this way, I've heard Lesnar say many times that he'd love to fight Fedor. Not once have I heard Fedor say that he would love to fight Lesnar. Because he doesn't. He knows he's much smaller and much weaker. In a cage, Brock would smother him up against the cage wall and control the fight.

Fedor, nor his bullshit M1 Global company want to see "The Greatest MMA HW Fighter in the World" lable to get taken away although that lable is fading away as he chooses to stay in Strikeforce. The russians want to protect his image.

[CoMoChief]

Yeah, Mir is quite a bit past his prime, but he has a win against Lesnar, doesn't he?

fluke win, nothing more.

[Brock]

fluke win, nothing more.

Does Nog suck too? Because Mir beat him too.

[Buck]

I'm just glad there is finally a heavyweight fight that is interesting. I mean, Lesnar vs. Mir 2 got me excited, as did Mir vs. Carwin, but not nearly as excited as this upcoming match.

[TrickyNicky]

What's even more interesing is the winner will have to face Velasquez or Dos Santos. I like Carwin in this fight though.

[Buck]

What's even more interesing is the winner will have to face Velasquez or Dos Santos. I like Carwin in this fight though.

Do you really think there won't be an immediate rematch if Lesnar loses?

[TrickyNicky]

Do you really think there won't be an immediate rematch if Lesnar loses?

Even still, the winner of the rematch would have to fight the next contender, and that would be Brown Pride or Junior.

[TheGuardian]

I disagree but would not be shocked if you are right. Carwin certainly has the ability to clock him out. That said that only happens is Lesnar is willing to stand and trade, that and don't kid yourself Lesnar has the power to check Carwin at the door also. I see this going to the mat quickly and if the ring rust allows it and Carwin can stuff the take down he may indeed knock him out. I am betting against Carwin because I don't think he gets the chance to to hit and ends up on bottom and running out of gas~

Lesnar doesn't have a single knock out to his credit. There is a reason for that. His stand up is sub-par and Carwin will expose that. There is no chance in hell that Lesnar stands and trades with Carwin because he'll get KTFO in the first minute.

Lesnar laying on top of Carwin is quite funny. Couture had no problem standing up from Brock being on top over and over again. And Carwin has a great wrestling back ground as well. This one won't get out of the first unless Lesnar simply does some lay n pray.

[CoMoChief]

Does Nog suck too? Because Mir beat him too.

Nog is WAY past his prime. Suck? Not exactly. He couldn't even finish off a 60 yr old Couture - had to go to decision, to be honest I'm nore sure Mir could either,

[CoMoChief]

What's even more interesing is the winner will have to face Velasquez or Dos Santos. I like Carwin in this fight though.

Cain Velasquez will get the next Title shot. Dana's pretty much already said that.

[Brock]

Nog is WAY past his prime. Suck? Not exactly. He couldn't even finish off a 60 yr old Couture - had to go to decision, to be honest I'm nore sure Mir could either,

I'm just trying to figure out your logic here, Carwin's win over Mir is meaningless, yet Lesnar's win over Mir shows......what?

[RNR]

Lesnar doesn't have a single knock out to his credit. There is a reason for that. His stand up is sub-par and Carwin will expose that. There is no chance in hell that Lesnar stands and trades with Carwin because he'll get KTFO in the first minute.

Lesnar laying on top of Carwin is quite funny. Couture had no problem standing up from Brock being on top over and over again. And Carwin has a great wrestling back ground as well. This one won't get out of the first unless Lesnar simply does some lay n pray.

You act like my reply was blowing you off and totally disagreeing with yours :spock: I think you are underrating Lesnar and that is fine. I am sure you can get all the action you want taking Carwin in a first round knock out. I am sure you could get book with great odds for as much as you can afford. That said I am not a fan of Lesnar or Carwin and I would take a pass on any serious action. I might take some light action against the first round knockout by Carwin :)

[TheGuardian]

You act like my reply was blowing you off and totally disagreeing with yours :spock: I think you are underrating Lesnar and that is fine. I am sure you can get all the action you want taking Carwin in a first round knock out. I am sure you could get book with great odds for as much as you can afford. That said I am not a fan of Lesnar or Carwin and I would take a pass on any serious action. I might take some light action against the first round knockout by Carwin :)

If Lesnar had been fighting my take would be different (maybe). I think Lesnar having a year off hurts him a lot.

Lesnar has poor stand up skills. He has relied exclusively on his ability to "bully" guys because of his size. Well he won't be able to do that with Carwin in all likelihood. I also think that Carwin probably knows that Lesnar is going to want to take this to the ground and will force him to stand. Or at least, that will be his game plan.

I don't totally count out Lesnar at all. He has freaky skills for a guy his size. However when you factor in the ring rust, the fact that he's fighting a guy his size that hits like a mac truck and has excellent stand up, well that's a lot going against him. I think Brock even without the ring rust would be looking at his toughest fight ever. Throw in the above factors and I can't see how he would really be favored (but I think he will be because of "name").

[RNR]

If Lesnar had been fighting my take would be different (maybe). I think Lesnar having a year off hurts him a lot.

Lesnar has poor stand up skills. He has relied exclusively on his ability to "bully" guys because of his size. Well he won't be able to do that with Carwin in all likelihood. I also think that Carwin probably knows that Lesnar is going to want to take this to the ground and will force him to stand. Or at least, that will be his game plan.

I don't totally count out Lesnar at all. He has freaky skills for a guy his size. However when you factor in the ring rust, the fact that he's fighting a guy his size that hits like a mac truck and has excellent stand up, well that's a lot going against him. I think Brock even without the ring rust would be looking at his toughest fight ever. Throw in the above factors and I can't see how he would really be favored (but I think he will be because of "name").

If you read through this thread I have said pretty much the same thing. I am however picking Lesnar because of speed and his ability to bulldog opponents. I would not put any real money on it, A. because I really do not know, B. I really do not care~

[TheGuardian]

If you read through this thread I have said pretty much the same thing. I am however picking Lesnar because of speed and his ability to bulldog opponents. I would not put any real money on it, A. because I really do not know, B. I really do not care~

No I read it but what I am saying is, his ability to "bulldog" guys is because the size difference has been so dramatic. Now he's fighting a guy that is near his own size so I think that won't play a part.

[KcMizzou]

If you read through this thread I have said pretty much the same thing. I am however picking Lesnar because of speed and his ability to bulldog opponents. I would not put any real money on it, A. because I really do not know, B. I really do not care~I care enough to watch, that's for sure.

It would not surprise me a bit to see Brock get the takedown, control and pound Carwin out.

But, Lesnar needs to be put in his place a bit, IMO. It shouldn't be this easy... for anyone.

It's not like the guy wouldn't bounce back. A lot of fighters do, after truly being beaten for the first time. (Lesnar considers the loss to Mir a fluke.)

I wanna see him get KTFO... and see how he responds.

[MadMax]

Lesnar doesn't have a single knock out to his credit. There is a reason for that. His stand up is sub-par and Carwin will expose that. There is no chance in hell that Lesnar stands and trades with Carwin because he'll get KTFO in the first minute.

Lesnar laying on top of Carwin is quite funny. Couture had no problem standing up from Brock being on top over and over again. And Carwin has a great wrestling back ground as well. This one won't get out of the first unless Lesnar simply does some lay n pray.



You seem to be an asshole but I'll say Lesnar does brings Carwin to the ground and beats the shit out of him. I actually like both fighters, but you are an asshole so I pick Lesnar.

[KcMizzou]

You seem to be an asshole but I'll say Lesnar does brings Carwin to the ground and beats the shit out of him. I actually like both fighters, but you are an asshole so I pick Lesnar.LMAO

[Duck Dog]

Mir sucks.

Hate him or love hom, Mir is a bonified bad motherfucker. His jujitsu is world class.

[TheGuardian]

You seem to be an asshole but I'll say Lesnar does brings Carwin to the ground and beats the shit out of him. I actually like both fighters, but you are an asshole so I pick Lesnar.

So if you're wrong I guess that makes you a whole ass.

[SAUTO]

UFC offered him the biggest most insane ($$$) MMA contract for a handful of fights. I know a lot of people don't like Dana White, but Bud Selig is the biggest fucking idiot in all of pro league commish's and you don't see MLB players saying "I don't like Selig, I'm going to Japan to play, it's a great league w/ great players".

In Strikeforce, since they're so small, just like Affliction, are pretty much basing most of their programming off of Fedor, whom by the way pretty much gets to fight on his terms and nothing else but his terms.

Put it this way, I've heard Lesnar say many times that he'd love to fight Fedor. Not once have I heard Fedor say that he would love to fight Lesnar. Because he doesn't. He knows he's much smaller and much weaker. In a cage, Brock would smother him up against the cage wall and control the fight.

Fedor, nor his bullshit M1 Global company want to see "The Greatest MMA HW Fighter in the World" lable to get taken away although that lable is fading away as he chooses to stay in Strikeforce. The russians want to protect his image.

ROFL, so the best fighter shouldnt be able to fight on his terms? and the UFC wanted to lock him up for 6 fights. i'm pretty sure he would do a 1 or 2 fight deal.

BUT that would have him going back to russia with the UFC championship belt

[ArrowheadHawk]

huh really? better check again



rampage - yes big ego want to be a movie star
cro cop - i'm pretty sure he is still in the UFC
fedor - won't sign unless he can co promote, yes to big ego
the list goes on and onWhat exactly is your point? You are wrong.

[TheGuardian]

ROFL, so the best fighter shouldnt be able to fight on his terms? and the UFC wanted to lock him up for 6 fights. i'm pretty sure he would do a 1 or 2 fight deal.

BUT that would have him going back to russia with the UFC championship belt

This.

Fedor would crush Lesnar.

[pr_capone]

Cain Velasquez will get the next Title shot. Dana's pretty much already said that.

Brown Pride will lose that fight regardless of whom he is up against. Dos Santos is something else entirely. I'm seriously impressed by him.

[ArrowheadHawk]

ROFL, so the best fighter shouldnt be able to fight on his terms? and the UFC wanted to lock him up for 6 fights. i'm pretty sure he would do a 1 or 2 fight deal.

BUT that would have him going back to russia with the UFC championship belt

This.

Fedor would crush Lesnar.

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http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_5838.shtml

[TheGuardian]

Well Dana said that so it must be gospel.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Well Dana said that so it must be gospel.Haters will hate.

[TheGuardian]

Ummmm you're the one hating on Fedor.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Ummmm you're the one hating on Fedor.He is a great fighter but don't try to tell me he wants to fight the best. He has had that chance and decided not to. He can be King of the second string.

[SAUTO]

What exactly is your point? You are wrong.

ROFL ok bud, better do some more research.

[TheGuardian]

He is a great fighter but don't try to tell me he wants to fight the best. He has had that chance and decided not to. He can be King of the second string.

OMG like I said all along you don't have a fucking clue about this MMA thing.

[ArrowheadHawk]

OMG like I said all along you don't have a ****ing clue about this MMA thing.Get Fedor's nuts outa your mouth.

[BIG_DADDY]

Depends on what Lesnar we get.

[CoMoChief]

OMG like I said all along you don't have a ****ing clue about this MMA thing.

Yeah, tell us all how Fedor has claimed that he wants to fight the best. Because CLEARLY he doesn't.

Peyton Manning wouldnt go play in the CFL if he was offered 1 Trillion Dollars. Lets put it that way.

[RNR]

No I read it but what I am saying is, his ability to "bulldog" guys is because the size difference has been so dramatic. Now he's fighting a guy that is near his own size so I think that won't play a part.

That is why most want to see this. Lesnar has some Clay/Ali in his persona. Some will pay to root for him, most others will pay to see him get his ass kicked. He really does not bother me and his cocky act adds interest. He is fighting a guy that has the size that he cannot just run over. That said I have never seen a man that big move as fast or have the type of agility he displays. Carwin has the striking ability to end it with a shot. It is a much needed match up because the biggest badest sells. That is what happened to boxing the heavyweights became a group of also rans. The lighter weight fighters are fun to watch but if you want to draw the casual fan it takes the big boys in a hyped match IMO

[BigCatDaddy]

For some reason I think this could be one of the better main events UFC has put on in some time. Most of the one's lately seem to not live up to the hype. I can't think of a great one since Machido/Rua 1.

[TheGuardian]

Get Fedor's nuts outa your mouth.

I'm not even a big Fedor fan dumbass. I think his management is the problem and that he has surrounded himself with people who don't have cementing his legacy in mind.

That said, the guy has crushed virtually everyone that he's been put up against. Until someone beats him, he's the best.

Yeah, tell us all how Fedor has claimed that he wants to fight the best. Because CLEARLY he doesn't.

See above.

That is why most want to see this. Lesnar has some Clay/Ali in his persona. Some will pay to root for him, most others will pay to see him get his ass kicked. He really does not bother me and his cocky act adds interest. He is fighting a guy that has the size that he cannot just run over. That said I have never seen a man that big move as fast or have the type of agility he displays. Carwin has the striking ability to end it with a shot. It is a much needed match up because the biggest badest sells. That is what happened to boxing the heavyweights became a group of also rans. The lighter weight fighters are fun to watch but if you want to draw the casual fan it takes the big boys in a hyped match IMO

Always. Because big guys bring devastation. Little guys are fun to watch and they are scrappy, but people want to see people get knocked out. And there is a reason why size DOES matter in a fight, and why there are more knockouts at 205 and HW than all the other divisions combined.

I have never liked Lesnar. Even before his stupid antics after the Mir win. I understand hating to lose, but Mir said nothing that deserved that kind of disrespect and the fans pay his paycheck and he flipped them off for booing. Well yeah they booed you acted like an asshole. I think Lesnar is a complete asshole and I honestly hope that Carwin causes him to have re constructive facial surgery.

[RNR]

I have never liked Lesnar. Even before his stupid antics after the Mir win. I understand hating to lose, but Mir said nothing that deserved that kind of disrespect and the fans pay his paycheck and he flipped them off for booing. Well yeah they booed you acted like an asshole. I think Lesnar is a complete asshole and I honestly hope that Carwin causes him to have re constructive facial surgery.

You are most likely to young to remember Clay/Ali in his prime. He was an arrogant, brash, disrespectful asshole. He was hated and rightfully so. He admitted he molded himself after Gorgeous George a famous pro wrestler from the 50s. He was a womanizing draft dodging blowhard and his religious conversion was laughable. It was amusing to watch the reinvention of Ali into the beloved hero he is thought of today. He sold more pay for view and tickets to people who wanted nothing more than to see him get his lippy ass kicked. It is an age old shtick and Lesnar is proving as is Mayweather is in boxing that it still sells today~

[TheGuardian]

You are most likely to young to remember Clay/Ali in his prime. He was an arrogant, brash, disrespectful asshole. He was hated and rightfully so. He admitted he molded himself after Gorgeous George a famous pro wrestler from the 50s. He was a womanizing draft dodging blowhard and his religious conversion was laughable. It was amusing to watch the reinvention of Ali into the beloved hero he is thought of today. He sold more pay for view and tickets to people who wanted nothing more than to see him get his lippy ass kicked. It is an age old shtick and Lesnar is proving as is Mayweather is in boxing that it still sells today~

It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.

[SAUTO]

funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself

[RNR]

It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.

Ask Fraizer about how the black community feels about Ali. He fucked over one of the few who reached out to help him. He painted Joe as a uncle Tom when nothing was farther the truth. People can buy the myth of Ali all they want. He was an asshole plain and simple. As far as the fight I am rooting for a good one nothing more~

[ArrowheadHawk]

funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself
Because he just keeps fighting UFC rejects and nobodies. ROFL at Brett Rogers.

[SAUTO]

Because he just keeps fighting UFC rejects and nobodies. ROFL at Brett Rogers.

i'm beginning to think guardian is right. you have NO clue. look up the list, google it, i couldnt copy and paste it for some reason. and THEN look at the dates he beat those guys.


all i have to say is IMPRESSIVE

[SAUTO]

Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24


here you go

[RNR]

i'm beginning to think guardian is right. you have NO clue. look up the list, google it, i couldnt copy and paste it for some reason. and THEN look at the dates he beat those guys.


all i have to say is IMPRESSIVE

It would be cool to see him and the winner of this fight hook up~

[SAUTO]

here's brock's for reference

United States Shane Carwin UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 4–1 United States Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 02009-07-11 July 11, 2009 2 1:48 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 3–1 United States Randy Couture TKO (Strikes) UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 02008-11-15 November 15, 2008 2 3:07 United States Las Vegas, Nevada Won UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 2–1 United States Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 02008-08-09 August 9, 2008 3 5:00 United States Minneapolis, Minnesota
Loss 1–1 United States Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81: Breaking Point 02008-02-02 February 2, 2008 1 1:30 United States Las Vegas, Nevada UFC Debut
Win 1–0 South Korea Min-Soo Kim Submission (Strikes) Dynamite!! USA 02007-06-02 June 2, 2007 1 1:09 United States Los Angeles, California MMA Debut.

[SAUTO]

It would be cool to see him and the winner of this fight hook up~

i agree wholeheartedly

[SAUTO]

and carwin's just for shits and giggles

United States Brock Lesnar UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 12–0 United States Frank Mir KO (Punches) UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy 02010-03-27 March 27, 2010 1 3:48 United States Newark, New Jersey, US Won UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship, Knockout of the Night.
Win 11–0 Brazil Gabriel Gonzaga KO (Punch) UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine 02009-03-07 March 7, 2009 1 1:09 United States Columbus, Ohio, US
Win 10–0 England Neil Wain TKO (Punches) UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben 02008-10-18 October 18, 2008 1 1:31 England Birmingham, England
Win 9–0 Hungary Christian Wellisch KO (Punch) UFC 84: Ill Will 02008-05-24 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 United States Las Vegas, Nevada, US UFC Debut
Win 8–0 United States Sherman Pendergarst TKO (Punch) ROF 31 – Undisputed 02007-12-01 December 1, 2007 1 1:41 United States Broomfield, Colorado, US Won Ring of Fire Heavyweight Championship
Win 7–0 United States Rex Richards Submission (Guillotine Choke) AOW – Art of War 4 02007-10-27 October 27, 2007 1 1:24 United States Tunica, Mississippi, US
Win 6–0 United States Rick Slaton TKO (Punch) ROF 30 – Domination 02007-09-15 September 15, 2007 1 0:49 United States Broomfield, Colorado, US
Win 5–0 United States Chris Guillen Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UTS 6 – Ultimate Texas Showdown 6 02006-06-24 June 24, 2006 1 0:29 United States Frisco, Texas, US
Win 4–0 United States Justice Smith TKO (Punches) Extreme Wars 3 – Bay Area Brawl 02006-06-03 June 3, 2006 1 0:31 United States Oakland, California, US
Win 3–0 United States Jay McCown Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UTS 5 – Ultimate Texas Showdown 5 02006-04-29 April 29, 2006 1 1:31 United States Texas, US
Win 2–0 United States Casey Jackson Submission(Guillotine Choke) Extreme Wars 2 – X-1 02006-03-18 March 18, 2006 1 0:22 United States Honolulu, Hawaii, US
Win 1–0 United States Carlton Jones Submission (Punches) WEC 17 – Halloween Fury 4 02005-10-14 October 14, 2005 1 2:11 United States Lemoore, California, US

[CoMoChief]

funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself

All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a fucking joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48 Joke
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14 UFC Reject
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36 UFC Reject
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54 Who
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58 Average
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16 Joke
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15 41 year old
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24


here you goThis is fun, he is a good fighter possibly great but we probably will never know because he won't fight the best of the best.

[ArrowheadHawk]

here's brock's for reference

United States Shane Carwin UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 4–1 United States Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 02009-07-11 July 11, 2009 2 1:48 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 3–1 United States Randy Couture TKO (Strikes) UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 02008-11-15 November 15, 2008 2 3:07 United States Las Vegas, Nevada Won UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 2–1 United States Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 02008-08-09 August 9, 2008 3 5:00 United States Minneapolis, Minnesota
Loss 1–1 United States Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81: Breaking Point 02008-02-02 February 2, 2008 1 1:30 United States Las Vegas, Nevada UFC Debut
Win 1–0 South Korea Min-Soo Kim Submission (Strikes) Dynamite!! USA 02007-06-02 June 2, 2007 1 1:09 United States Los Angeles, California MMA Debut.
Never did I say Brock was better. I am just saying that Fedor's status is tainted.

[SAUTO]

Never did I say Brock was better. I am just saying that Fedor's status is tainted.

again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say

[SAUTO]

All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a fucking joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.


again look up some of his pride fights, sorry you didnt know about the OTHER organization, but now you do so your ignorance on the subject will be your fault and yours alone from now on

[RNR]

again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say

This is the thing that bothers me...not the debate you guys are in. One of the things that hurt boxing was the seperation of fighters. The WBA,WBO,IBF and a list of others that had their own list of contenders and avoided allowing the two best to get in the ring. Sure it happened from time to time but the promoters figured out having multible champions equaled more paydays. Their greed hampered the sport along with several other factors that do not need to be talked about in this thread. I hate to think the same will happen to MMA, but it is likely it will. There is way too much money to be made in this growing sport. People have made untold richies off men sheding blood in a ring.

[TheGuardian]

All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a ****ing joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.

Oversteem? Who the fuck is Oversteem?

Ohhhh you mean Alistair Overeem? This is why you faggots should stop posting about MMA. You don't have a god damned clue about who and what you're talking about. And don't chalk this up to a misspelling. You don't know enough about it to know his fucking last name. maybe if you got Brock's nuts off of your chin you could see the computer screen better.

[ArrowheadHawk]

again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say
Big nog was 6-7 years ago. Cro Cop is ok but he hasn't exactly lived up to his hype since joining the UFC. Herring is a good win but that was 8 years ago. Goodridge is only a .500 fighter and mark hunt has a losing record. I have no doubt that Fedor is a bad ass. Just how much of a bad ass is up for debate until/if he is willing to fight the fighters who are at the top currently.

[RNR]

Oversteem? Who the **** is Oversteem?

Ohhhh you mean Alistair Overeem? This is why you pillowbiters should stop posting about MMA. You don't have a god damned clue about who and what you're talking about. And don't chalk this up to a misspelling. You don't know enough about it to know his ****ing last name. maybe if you got Brock's nuts off of your chin you could see the computer screen better.

You may very well know more than this guy about MMA. That said why do you always come off so strong? Not only this subject but over several replies I have read from you. You and I have bumped heads before because I disagreed with something you said and your reply was full blown attack. Just wondering really, not looking to engage in a war of words. You just often come off pissed off just because someone sees something different than you do~

[SAUTO]

Big nog was 6-7 years ago. Cro Cop is ok but he hasn't exactly lived up to his hype since joining the UFC. Herring is a good win but that was 8 years ago. Goodridge is only a .500 fighter and mark hunt has a losing record. I have no doubt that Fedor is a bad ass. Just how much of a bad ass is up for debate until/if he is willing to fight the fighters who are at the top currently.

he beat all those guys in their prime, that was my point. again i understand that you didnt see many pride fights BUT the same goes for you as como. i have steered you in the right direction. now go watch the fights and IMO you will see.

fedor has it all, he can beat you in any way, hell in all ways.
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[Duck Dog]

You are most likely to young to remember Clay/Ali in his prime. He was an arrogant, brash, disrespectful asshole. He was hated and rightfully so. He admitted he molded himself after Gorgeous George a famous pro wrestler from the 50s. He was a womanizing draft dodging blowhard and his religious conversion was laughable. It was amusing to watch the reinvention of Ali into the beloved hero he is thought of today. He sold more pay for view and tickets to people who wanted nothing more than to see him get his lippy ass kicked. It is an age old shtick and Lesnar is proving as is Mayweather is in boxing that it still sells today~

Amen. Whites are still intimadated by that jerk.

[Duck Dog]

It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.

I am one of these people.

[Duck Dog]

This.

Fedor would crush Lesnar.

Fedor's resume is unquestionable but I refuse to give him his due respect until he fights the best the UFC has to offer.

[TheGuardian]

You may very well know more than this guy about MMA. That said why do you always come off so strong? Not only this subject but over several replies I have read from you. You and I have bumped heads before because I disagreed with something you said and your reply was full blown attack. Just wondering really, not looking to engage in a war of words. You just often come off pissed off just because someone sees something different than you do~

Because dude has tried to pass himself off as a "I know it all" MMA guy then doesn't even have the overall knowledge to even know the names of the guys he is talking about. And he has Lesnar chin nuts. that's bad enough all by itself.

[TheGuardian]

Fedor's resume is unquestionable but I refuse to give him his due respect until he fights the best the UFC has to offer.

The HW division looks more stacked but the truth is, we're not 100% sure how good a lot of these guys really are. Fedor beat enough guys in their prime that his ability should never be in question. He doesn't need to beat a 1 dimensional fat guy in Lesnar to prove he's great to me. He's submitted or knocked out almost everyone he's fought and outside of 1 BS ruling, is undefeated.

Would I like to see Fedor in UFC? Definitely. But if he never comes to UFC it doesn't diminish him as the greatest HW fighter ever to me.

[RNR]

Because dude has tried to pass himself off as a "I know it all" MMA guy then doesn't even have the overall knowledge to even know the names of the guys he is talking about. And he has Lesnar chin nuts. that's bad enough all by itself.

It is cool with me, we started rocky but seem to be ok now. Just seeing where your head is at. Been hangin here on and off for years. I get along with most~

[CoMoChief]

Oversteem? Who the **** is Oversteem?

Ohhhh you mean Alistair Overeem? This is why you pillowbiters should stop posting about MMA. You don't have a god damned clue about who and what you're talking about. And don't chalk this up to a misspelling. You don't know enough about it to know his ****ing last name. maybe if you got Brock's nuts off of your chin you could see the computer screen better.

Oops.....cry me a ****ing river.

Guess I shouldnt watch MMA .....got someone's name wrong. :rolleyes:

You know how many people on here get FOOTBALL players names wrong you fucking moron?

[CoMoChief]

Because dude has tried to pass himself off as a "I know it all" MMA guy then doesn't even have the overall knowledge to even know the names of the guys he is talking about. And he has Lesnar chin nuts. that's bad enough all by itself.

When have I ever said I was a know it all MMA guy.

I can tell you how this fight is going to go......so can about a million other people.

Carwin will look to knockout Lesnar.....because standing up w/ him is really his only chance. Carwin obviously is the better striker.

But Brock will take the fight to the ground, because (gasp) that's his bread and butter and that's what gives him the best chance to win, esp w/ a guy like Carwin. Lesnar controls the fight on the ground and grounds and pounds....thats what he does, and once that happens, Brock's gonna end up winning the fight. People think this is going to last only in the first rd. I don't think it will be that way, because I dont think Lesnar will get knocked out because he wont let the fight stand up right. He will take it to the ground as soon as the bell rings.

Doesn't take some MMA nut to figure that one out. You're fucking dumber than I thought.

[MadMax]

So if you're wrong I guess that makes you a whole ass.




Then so be it. You have shown yourself to be a permanent asshole. You seem to "think" you know more than you actually do. Good luck with that :)

[Duck Dog]

The HW division looks more stacked but the truth is, we're not 100% sure how good a lot of these guys really are. Fedor beat enough guys in their prime that his ability should never be in question. He doesn't need to beat a 1 dimensional fat guy in Lesnar to prove he's great to me. He's submitted or knocked out almost everyone he's fought and outside of 1 BS ruling, is undefeated.

Would I like to see Fedor in UFC? Definitely. But if he never comes to UFC it doesn't diminish him as the greatest HW fighter ever to me.

I'm cool with that.

[RNR]

Well guys and gals it is 28 to 28, Carwin jumped to a big lead but it has evened up~

[TheGuardian]

Oops.....cry me a ****ing river.

Guess I shouldnt watch MMA .....got someone's name wrong. :rolleyes:

You know how many people on here get FOOTBALL players names wrong you ****ing moron?

You got the name wrong because you're a fucking mental midget on this subject and don't know what you're talking about. That's all.

[KcMizzou]

Well guys and gals it is 28 to 28, Carwin jumped to a big lead but it has evened up~I'm just impressed that we got 56 votes on an MMA poll. (Gaz votes don't count.)

[SnakeXJones]

This is fun, he is a good fighter possibly great but we probably will never know because he won't fight the best of the best. i dont see how Arlovski & Sylvia are ufc rejects were't they once was the UFC Heavyweight Champ at one time?

[Fumblerooski]

Picked Lesner. Don't know too much about MMA, but heard his name before. So running with him.

[TrickyNicky]

You got the name wrong because you're a ****ing mental midget on this subject and don't know what you're talking about. That's all.

You got it wrong too. It's UBEREEM ya jackass...

[DBOSHO]

What happened to big john mccarthy?

[BWillie]

So did he win the WWE Belt yet? Is Chyna gonna be there?

[SnakeXJones]

What happened to big john mccarthy? Last time I seen him he on strikeforce

[CoMoChief]

You got the name wrong because you're a ****ing mental midget on this subject and don't know what you're talking about. That's all.

ROFL......keep going...

[SAUTO]

The HW division looks more stacked but the truth is, we're not 100% sure how good a lot of these guys really are. Fedor beat enough guys in their prime that his ability should never be in question. He doesn't need to beat a 1 dimensional fat guy in Lesnar to prove he's great to me. He's submitted or knocked out almost everyone he's fought and outside of 1 BS ruling, is undefeated.

Would I like to see Fedor in UFC? Definitely. But if he never comes to UFC it doesn't diminish him as the greatest HW fighter ever to me.

this

[TheGuardian]

You got it wrong too. It's UBEREEM ya jackass...

No it's not moron.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alistair-Overeem-461

Fucking idiot.

[ArrowheadHawk]

i dont see how Arlovski & Sylvia are ufc rejects were't they once was the UFC Heavyweight Champ at one time?When you get cut from the UFC that makes you a UFC reject. Yes they were the champ at a time that the UFC Heavyweight division was a joke.

[TrickyNicky]

No it's not moron.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alistair-Overeem-461

****ing idiot.

Sherdog knows nothing. Google knows all. His name is no longer Overeem, its UBEREEM or simply, The Reem. If you've spent any time in an MMA forum, you would know such things. Behold.

UBEREEM (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Ubereem&aq=f&aqi=g2g-s1g2g-s1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CtbZl6EwiTIjSDpzGhgS6v9D_DQAAAKoEBU_QheQ6)

random insult.

[TheGuardian]

Sherdog knows nothing. Google knows all. His name is no longer Overeem, its UBEREEM or simply, The Reem. If you've spent any time in an MMA forum, you would know such things. Behold.

UBEREEM (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Ubereem&aq=f&aqi=g2g-s1g2g-s1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CtbZl6EwiTIjSDpzGhgS6v9D_DQAAAKoEBU_QheQ6)

random insult.

That's NOT his name dipshit. The other guy didn't even know his actual name.

I don't call him that shit because I've been watching him fight since he was a stickboy in Pride unlike fanboys who just jerk off about MMA on message boards.

[CoMoChief]

That's NOT his name dipshit. The other guy didn't even know his actual name.

I don't call him that shit because I've been watching him fight since he was a stickboy in Pride unlike fanboys who just jerk off about MMA on message boards.

This officially makes you cooler than anyone in this thread.

:rolleyes:

[ArrowheadHawk]

This officially makes you cooler than anyone in this thread.

:rolleyes:ROFL

[TheGuardian]

This officially makes you cooler than anyone in this thread.

:rolleyes:

Says the guy with Lesnar chin nuts who talks about fighters he doesn't even know the name of.

[SAUTO]

That's NOT his name dipshit. The other guy didn't even know his actual name.

I don't call him that shit because I've been watching him fight since he was a stickboy in Pride unlike fanboys who just jerk off about MMA on message boards.

he would enter with a hammer


and chuck knocked his ass out right before rampage beat chuck's ass

[TheGuardian]

he would enter with a hammer


and chuck knocked his ass out right before rampage beat chuck's ass

And when Shogun nailed him from the stand up position. Still one of the most brutal strikes I've ever seen.

The guys I find that say shit like "Fedor is ducking people" are the same idiots that I know just started watching MMA. Yet they always claim they have been watching it from day 1, but don't even know the guys they are talking about. It's embarrassing to watch.

[SnakeXJones]

When you get cut from the UFC that makes you a UFC reject. Yes they were the champ at a time that the UFC Heavyweight division was a joke. well I completely agree with that but I liked "The Pitbull" he could of been a good fighter but damn that man has a weak ass chin

[CoMoChief]

And when Shogun nailed him from the stand up position. Still one of the most brutal strikes I've ever seen.

The guys I find that say shit like "Fedor is ducking people" are the same idiots that I know just started watching MMA. Yet they always claim they have been watching it from day 1, but don't even know the guys they are talking about. It's embarrassing to watch.

You ****ing idiot it's not just people on msg boards and people who "just started watching MMA" that are saying this about Fedor.....UFC fighters themselves are saying the exact thing. But hey, don't listen to them...I guess they also don't know what they're talking about.

And by the way....for you to slam people who "just started watching MMA" newsflash!!! MMA is still considered to be a new sport, and has finally gained enough popularity where it's hitting media mainstream. So for you to bash people (if you wanna call it that, we here at CP just call it whining) because they just started watching MMA is borderline retarded, because the sport is just now (well, within the last 4-5 yrs) getting popular. MMA is still mostly watched by people that range from ages 18-35, young males. Most people older than that still view this sport as barbaric human cockfighting, which is why some states still outlaw the sport.

And if you wanna call yourself a true MMA pioneer because you watched so much MMA before anyone else on here did, then I guess it's whatever makes you sleep better at night, but nobody here really gives a shit. Just sayin'.


Having that said, Lesnar wins TKO. This fight will last longer than the 1st rd.

[TheGuardian]

You ****ing idiot it's not just people on msg boards and people who "just started watching MMA" that are saying this about Fedor.....UFC fighters themselves are saying the exact thing. But hey, don't listen to them...I guess they also don't know what they're talking about.


Well a fighter says it! Gosh fighters never say anything that doesn't make sense. The Diaz brothers have made a living saying stupid shit. Who cares what fighters say? And what fighters say this? Lesnar? He has 5 pro fights. Fuck him.


And by the way....for you to slam people who "just started watching MMA" newsflash!!! MMA is still considered to be a new sport, and has finally gained enough popularity where it's hitting media mainstream. So for you to bash people (if you wanna call it that, we here at CP just call it whining) because they just started watching MMA is borderline retarded, because the sport is just now (well, within the last 4-5 yrs) getting popular. MMA is still mostly watched by people that range from ages 18-35, young males. Most people older than that still view this sport as barbaric human cockfighting, which is why some states still outlaw the sport.

And if you wanna call yourself a true MMA pioneer because you watched so much MMA before anyone else on here did, then I guess it's whatever makes you sleep better at night, but nobody here really gives a shit. Just sayin'.


I don't have a problem with someone being new to the sport commenting on it. Just don't comment on it like you're some expert when you've NEW and have never even participated in the arts involved in MMA.


Having that said, Lesnar wins TKO. This fight will last longer than the 1st rd.

LOL. We'll see.

[RNR]

And Lesnar comes from behind to take the lead~

[TheGuardian]

And Lesnar comes from behind to take the lead~

He's the "name" in this thing. I still don't see it getting out of the first round and see Carwin blasting him. But with guys that big anything can happen.

[Ebolapox]

this turned into a slapfight.

[CoMoChief]

Well a fighter says it! Gosh fighters never say anything that doesn't make sense. The Diaz brothers have made a living saying stupid shit. Who cares what fighters say? And what fighters say this? Lesnar? He has 5 pro fights. **** him.



I don't have a problem with someone being new to the sport commenting on it. Just don't comment on it like you're some expert when you've NEW and have never even participated in the arts involved in MMA.



LOL. We'll see.

I dont know where anywhere in this thread where I've claimed I'm some expert in MMA. You said those words, not me. All I simply said was how I thought Lesnar was going to handle this upcoming fight......he will handle it just like he's handled his other fights, he will take it to the ground. Anyone who knows anything about Lesnar will tell you that. You don't have to be some expert to know this fight is going to go to the ground because Brock sure as shit isn't going to want to stand w/ Carwin. He will use his size, power/strength and athleticism to his advantages because that's what he relies on in his fights....this one being no different. If you wanna lable me as me trying to pass off as an MMA expert then whatever man. I'm no MMA expert and either are you by any means.

[SAUTO]

I dont know where anywhere in this thread where I've claimed I'm some expert in MMA. You said those words, not me. All I simply said was how I thought Lesnar was going to handle this upcoming fight......he will handle it just like he's handled his other fights, he will take it to the ground. Anyone who knows anything about Lesnar will tell you that. You don't have to be some expert to know this fight is going to go to the ground because Brock sure as shit isn't going to want to stand w/ Carwin. He will use his size, power/strength and athleticism to his advantages because that's what he relies on in his fights....this one being no different. If you wanna lable me as me trying to pass off as an MMA expert then whatever man. I'm no MMA expert and either are you by any means.

i have every UFC from the beginning, i also have evey pride FC, most kotc, and quite a few strikeforce ( not to mention quite a few other promotions) i've seen most every fight more than once.


some people have followed the sport longer, i would think that would make them more knowledgeable than someone that heard about chuck liddell and started watching.

like i said chuck was a BIG thing in the ufc and dana thought he would walk right through the middleweight tourney. hell dana even BET on him to win it.

guess what? it didnt happen.


IMO arona, shogun, wandy, or rampage would have beaten him at that time.


it's funny that this sport blew up after forrest v bonner. that fight was exciting right?

well guess what?
those types of fights were the norm in pride with the card penalties. one card you lose 10 percent of your purse, and IIRC 2 was 20 %. that gave the fighters incentive to actually fight rather than lay and hope to get a decision

[ModSocks]

This thread turned into a big suckfest.

[El Jefe]

i have every UFC from the beginning, i also have evey pride FC, most kotc, and quite a few strikeforce ( not to mention quite a few other promotions) i've seen most every fight more than once.


some people have followed the sport longer, i would think that would make them more knowledgeable than someone that heard about chuck liddell and started watching.

like i said chuck was a BIG thing in the ufc and dana thought he would walk right through the middleweight tourney. hell dana even BET on him to win it.

guess what? it didnt happen.


IMO arona, shogun, wandy, or rampage would have beaten him at that time.


it's funny that this sport blew up after forrest v bonner. that fight was exciting right?

well guess what?
those types of fights were the norm in pride with the card penalties. one card you lose 10 percent of your purse, and IIRC 2 was 20 %. that gave the fighters incentive to actually fight rather than lay and hope to get a decision

Awesome, nothing like the Old days of Pride. I liked watching K-1 a lot also. Used to like watching my man Ernesto hoost and Jerome Lebanner.

[El Jefe]

This thread turned into a big suckfest.

Your mom sucks........................ Im just kidding ya.

[ModSocks]

Your mom sucks........................ Im just kidding ya.

Yeah....well......I know more about MMA than you...And Sean Carvin is going to kick Jock Le'stat's ass!


Booya Biatch!

[TheGuardian]

Awesome, nothing like the Old days of Pride. I liked watching K-1 a lot also. Used to like watching my man Ernesto hoost and Jerome Lebanner.

Yup. When Michael McDonald was fighting I didn't miss much K-1. That dude was nails.

And the old days of Pride, to me, are still the best days of MMA and UFC will never be able to touch it. When Wandy was walking through people and was 225 pounds (I could give a crap if he was on roids at the time). Crocop was at his peak, Fedor, Randleman, Coleman, Page, Shogun, dude Pride was the shit.

The majority of people that I know that follow MMA now started following after the first season of TUF and that Griffin/Bonnar fight. They have no idea about the history of it all. That's one reason Forrest has such a following and people still think, moronically, that he's a top 205 fighter.

[CoMoChief]

Yup. When Michael McDonald was fighting I didn't miss much K-1. That dude was nails.

And the old days of Pride, to me, are still the best days of MMA and UFC will never be able to touch it. When Wandy was walking through people and was 225 pounds (I could give a crap if he was on roids at the time). Crocop was at his peak, Fedor, Randleman, Coleman, Page, Shogun, dude Pride was the shit.

The majority of people that I know that follow MMA now started following after the first season of TUF and that Griffin/Bonnar fight. They have no idea about the history of it all. That's one reason Forrest has such a following and people still think, moronically, that he's a top 205 fighter.

Silva made Griffin look pathetic. God that was funny. He just toyed w/ his ass the whole time.

[RNR]

He's the "name" in this thing. I still don't see it getting out of the first round and see Carwin blasting him. But with guys that big anything can happen.

Agreed I have stayed out of the mix as I am pretty new to MMA. I grew up boxing and wrestling. I used to spar with some guys that were into martial arts but we kick boxed. They taught me self defense moves to end confrontations but it would not be allowed in competition. I wish this type of fighting exsited when I was young but I am too old to play such rough games now. It is kind of funny because while watching they talk about guillotines, rear naked choke holds and triangles back in my day we just called it choking a guy out or cutting his air. It is a pretty cool sport and I enjoy watching it~

[TheGuardian]

Agreed I have stayed out of the mix as I am pretty new to MMA. I grew up boxing and wrestling. I used to spar with some guys that were into martial arts but we kick boxed. They taught me self defense moves to end confrontations but it would not be allowed in competition. I wish this type of fighting exsited when I was young but I am too old to play such rough games now. It is kind of funny because while watching they talk about guillotines, rear naked choke holds and triangles back in my day we just called it choking a guy out or cutting his air. It is a pretty cool sport and I enjoy watching it~

Yup. In the amateur ranks I see guys get caught over and over again by the simple rear naked choke. Yeah it happens at the elite level but it's like the main thing you see a guy tap out from at the lower levels. Without fail.

[RNR]

Yup. In the amateur ranks I see guys get caught over and over again by the simple rear naked choke. Yeah it happens at the elite level but it's like the main thing you see a guy tap out from at the lower levels. Without fail.

On Spike they show all kinds of fights, reruns and such. These guys nowdays are on a whole different level than what we were doing~

[SAUTO]

On Spike they show all kinds of fights, reruns and such. These guys nowdays are on a whole different level than what we were doing~

watch the "best of pride" on spike. it has some of the best fights ever

[RNR]

watch the "best of pride" on spike. it has some of the best fights ever

I have watched several of them. On a side note has Ken Shamrock ever won a fight? He has gotten his ass kicked in every fight I have seen him in.

[SAUTO]

I have watched several of them. On a side note has Ken Shamrock ever won a fight? He has gotten his ass kicked in every fight I have seen him in.

yep he has won.:D i thought it was funny last night that they showed chuck beating mezger in pride, then said he went on to knock out overeem, then real quick like said and then got TKO'd by rampage BUT came back to the UFC and became the dominant 205er.ROFL

[RNR]

yep he has won.:D i thought it was funny last night that they showed chuck beating mezger in pride, then said he went on to knock out overeem, then real quick like said and then got TKO'd by rampage BUT came back to the UFC and became the dominant 205er.ROFL

Liddell is a likeable guy and hits a ton. He also has been knocked out too many times. A fighter can only get shut off like that a few times and they seem to lose their chin. I like the guy but think he is way overrated~

[SnakeXJones]

I have watched several of them. On a side note has Ken Shamrock ever won a fight? He has gotten his ass kicked in every fight I have seen him in. i use to win but he needs to retire those roids arent gonna help his old ass win

[TheGuardian]

I have watched several of them. On a side note has Ken Shamrock ever won a fight? He has gotten his ass kicked in every fight I have seen him in.

For whatever reason Ken gave Bas fits. And Bas was a bad mother chicken.

[RNR]

For whatever reason Ken gave Bas fits. And Bas was a bad mother chicken.

I have seen that Bas guy fight, if your talking about the funny talking guy. He has a bar fight video LMAO He was a bad ass at one time~

[TrickyNicky]

For whatever reason Ken gave Bas fits. And Bas was a bad mother chicken.

Bas had no ground game. If you go by his own account, he didn't know how to sprawl for most of his career. He would just fall onto his back like a turtle and rope escape or try for leglocks. Plus, Pancrase had the no-striking-on-the-ground gentlemen's agreement when he fought there.

[raybec 4]

I believe Carwin has all the tools to beat Lesnar. He's freakishly huge and strong in his own right. He was a successful wrestler in college although not on the same level as Lesnar and he has much better stand up.

FWIW I truly believe also that Cain Velasquez will soon be the heavyweight champion and will remain there for an extended period.

[raybec 4]

Silva made Griffin look pathetic. God that was funny. He just toyed w/ his ass the whole time.

Silva won't be able to play with Chael like that, he'll still win but he's going to really have to fight this time.

[KcMizzou]

I have seen that Bas guy fight, if your talking about the funny talking guy. He has a bar fight video LMAO He was a bad ass at one time~

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[RNR]

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Yep thats the guy~

[KcMizzou]

Yep thats the guy~He's awesome. Hilarious commentator too. No filter on that guy.

[RNR]

He's awesome. Hilarious commentator too. No filter on that guy.

Yes he is and I think I would take a pass if confronted by him :)

[TheGuardian]

HAH! Darn right you would. Bas is still a bad dude, don't fool yourself. He almost beat the shit out of Brian Urlacher a while back. He beat the shit out of 4 navy guys one night in Japan while he was bouncing at this bar.

His stand up is second to none. He still has the best leg kicks and liver strikes ever. I love the kind of fighter Bas was.

[TheGuardian]

Bas had no ground game. If you go by his own account, he didn't know how to sprawl for most of his career. He would just fall onto his back like a turtle and rope escape or try for leglocks. Plus, Pancrase had the no-striking-on-the-ground gentlemen's agreement when he fought there.

Bas improved his ground game but yeah it was always his weakest link.

[Bwana]

I have know idea, which is why I'm going to invest in the fight on PPV.

[Valiant]

Lesner all the way with GnP, unless Carwin gets lucky in the first 30secs with a knockout punch.. After that Carwin onlys has a very slim chance each round to try and get lucky..

[TheGuardian]

Lesner all the way with GnP, unless Carwin gets lucky in the first 30secs with a knockout punch.. After that Carwin onlys has a very slim chance each round to try and get lucky..

Not really. That's a pretty piss poor take.

[KcMizzou]

I have know idea, which is why I'm going to invest in the fight on PPV.Yeah, that's the best time to bite the bullet. Unlike say, A. Silva vs. Demian Maia.

Yet, I paid for that one too. (of course) :facepalm:

[TrickyNicky]

I was going to get it, but since Wand dropped out and now Sexyama is balking at fighting Leben. Not worth the $ for just one fight.

[CoMoChief]

Not really. That's a pretty piss poor take.

Of course it's a piss poor take.......he predicted Lesnar to win and you don't agree with it.

[ModSocks]

Not really. That's a pretty piss poor take.

I dont think so dude. I think it's a pretty realistic take.

[TheGuardian]

Of course it's a piss poor take.......he predicted Lesnar to win and you don't agree with it.

Because he's basically saying that Carwin, who has finished everyone he's faced in the 1st round, has to depend on a lucky punch to win. That's fucking stupid. Carwin got lucky 12 other times???????? Second, this is the first time that Lesnar will be facing someone his own size. I don't buy into the theory that Brock is going to be able to take down Carwin "at will" and hold him down. Not when a 220 pound Randy Couture was able to get up fairly easily from under Brock.

[ModSocks]

Because he's basically saying that Carwin, who has finished everyone he's faced in the 1st round, has to depend on a lucky punch to win. That's ****ing stupid. Carwin got lucky 12 other times???????? Second, this is the first time that Lesnar will be facing someone his own size. I don't buy into the theory that Brock is going to be able to take down Carwin "at will" and hold him down. Not when a 220 pound Randy Couture was able to get up fairly easily from under Brock.

But a 255 Frank Mir could not. Im not saying his punch will be lucky, but he's going to be hard pressed to get a good shot in. Lesnar doesn't wanna box with Carwin. We all know why. He isn't stupid.

Lesnar will want to take Carwin to the mat ASAP. I don't think he'll be able to do it right off that bat; i think the better portion of the first round will be fought standing against the cage. But, eventually, he'll get him down. And Carwin will probably have a hard time getting out of it.

I hope I am wrong. Im rooting for Carwin.

[TheGuardian]

But a 255 Frank Mir could not. Im not saying his punch will be lucky, but he's going to be hard pressed to get a good shot in. Lesnar doesn't wanna box with Carwin. We all know why. He isn't stupid.

Lesnar will want to take Carwin to the mat ASAP. I don't think he'll be able to do it right off that bat; i think the better portion of the first round will be fought standing against the cage. But, eventually, he'll get him down. And Carwin will probably have a hard time getting out of it.

I hope I am wrong. Im rooting for Carwin.

And Frank Mir doesn't have the pedigree in wrestling that Carwin does either. It's a stupid comparison. And Mir was 245 pounds for that fight. Not 255. And Carwin is 275.

Lesnar doesn't want to stand with Carwin because he's a 1 dimensional fighter.

[SnakeXJones]

And Frank Mir doesn't have the pedigree in wrestling that Carwin does either. It's a stupid comparison. And Mir was 245 pounds for that fight. Not 255. And Carwin is 275.

Lesnar doesn't want to stand with Carwin because he's a 1 dimensional fighter. Isn't 275 over the limit?

[stevieray]

I have know idea, which is why I'm going to invest in the fight on PPV.


I think Carwin has the best chance to beat Brock. the obvious applies..He's got the power, but hes' got to watch and avoid Lesnar's bullrush and subsequent gnp....he's just so damn big...but something keeps pulling me towards Carwin with the upset...I believe he's stronger than people think.

pretty exciting.

[SAUTO]

that was in the early 2000s
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[SAUTO]

Liddell is a likeable guy and hits a ton. He also has been knocked out too many times. A fighter can only get shut off like that a few times and they seem to lose their chin. I like the guy but think he is way overrated~

this was back in the day when chuck was feared in the ufc
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[SAUTO]

and i almost brought up the bad ass mother fucker bas rutten in this thread yesterday, im glad someone did. como should watch him too
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[RNR]

this was back in the day when chuck was feared in the ufc
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Before my time as I have said I am rather new to watching MMA. He kicked that Tito guys ass and that makes me like him. I watch a lot of reruns but know little about the fighters~

[TheGuardian]

Isn't 275 over the limit?

He cuts weight to make the weigh in.

[MadMax]

Why do you belittle other people just because you "think" you know more about MMA? You are a true fuckstick! Truth is the fight can go either way easily. You have no inside knowledge or to tell the truth seem to have a one track mind and shout it at the top of your prepubescent lungs as gospel. Is Lesnar an asshole? Yes he is. But just because you say Carwin and Fedor are better than him doesn't make it so. I suppose St. Pierre excites you?

[TheGuardian]

Why do you belittle other people just because you "think" you know more about MMA? You are a true ****stick! Truth is the fight can go either way easily. You have no inside knowledge or to tell the truth seem to have a one track mind and shout it at the top of your prepubescent lungs as gospel. Is Lesnar an asshole? Yes he is. But just because you say Carwin and Fedor are better than him doesn't make it so. I suppose St. Pierre excites you?

I didn't belittle anyone for thinking Lesnar could win, I belittled people for thinking that Carwin would need something like a lucky punch to win. And you can go eat a bag of dicks you pussy. I care more about that turd I flushed down the toilet this morning than what the fuck you think. Clear enough?

[MadMax]

I didn't belittle anyone for thinking Lesnar could win, I belittled people for thinking that Carwin would need something like a lucky punch to win. And you can go eat a bag of dicks you pussy. I care more about that turd I flushed down the toilet this morning than what the **** you think. Clear enough?


Why yes it is you little POS yes it is. I think less highly of you ROFL!!!! You are indeed what I thought you were :)

[CoMoChief]

I didn't belittle anyone for thinking Lesnar could win, I belittled people for thinking that Carwin would need something like a lucky punch to win. And you can go eat a bag of dicks you pussy. I care more about that turd I flushed down the toilet this morning than what the **** you think. Clear enough?

ROFL whatever man. Half of your retarded posts in this thread have been NOTHING but your pathetic attempts to belittle people.

Either you don't read your own posts, or you're delusional as hell...one of the two.

[badgirl]

I hope Brock gets his brains beat out. Its hard to say who will actually win though.

But Carwin has won all his fights by knock out, that says something, but Brock is huge. I really am pulling for carwin though.

[salame]

Why yes it is you little POS yes it is. I think less highly of you ROFL!!!! You are indeed what I thought you were :)

MadMax,
Bro.............WHAT IS UP WITH THAT LONG ASS HAIR?
Are you serious with that shit?

[TheGuardian]

ROFL whatever man. Half of your retarded posts in this thread have been NOTHING but your pathetic attempts to belittle people.

Either you don't read your own posts, or you're delusional as hell...one of the two.

Are you still in here trying to talk about MMA? Maybe you should find out when Oversteem is fighting next because I've never seen that guy fight.

[Bwana]

Here are some of the betting lines. I would still give this fight a 50/50. I think Brock would normally kill the guy, but with a year off, there could be some ring rust.

Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin
Sportsbook.com (http://www.mmabettingblog.com/go/sportsbook/) Odds

Lesnar (-200)
Carwin (+160)
Betus.com (http://mmabettingblog.com/go/betus) Odds

Lesnar (-200)
Carwin (+160)

[TheGuardian]

Here are some of the betting lines. I would still give this fight a 50/50. I think Brock would normally kill the guy, but with a year off, there could be some ring rust.

Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin
Sportsbook.com (http://www.mmabettingblog.com/go/sportsbook/) Odds

Lesnar (-200)
Carwin (+160)
Betus.com (http://mmabettingblog.com/go/betus) Odds

Lesnar (-200)
Carwin (+160)


Normally kill him based on what exactly?

[Bwana]

Normally kill him based on what exactly?

His size and power. :shrug: As it stands right now, the year off could hurt him tonight. See Rampage Jackson.

[TrickyNicky]

Fedor fights Werdum tonight on Showtime for those interested.

[TheGuardian]

His size and power. :shrug: As it stands right now, the year off could hurt him tonight. See Rampage Jackson.

These guys are the same size. Power wise, Carwin hits harder.

This is why I bust balls because people comment on this shit don't have a clue. In fact Carwin is still at 275 right now and Brock said he's actually 265.

So tell me again, he would kill him based on what? Size wise, it's even. Power wise it depends on what you're talking about. Both are great wrestlers, but Carwin is the only one with respectable stand up between the two.

So I want to know what it is Lesnar would kill Carwin with?

[RNR]

These guys are the same size. Power wise, Carwin hits harder.

This is why I bust balls because people comment on this shit don't have a clue. In fact Carwin is still at 275 right now and Brock said he's actually 265.

So tell me again, he would kill him based on what? Size wise, it's even. Power wise it depends on what you're talking about. Both are great wrestlers, but Carwin is the only one with respectable stand up between the two.

So I want to know what it is Lesnar would kill Carwin with?

Well the guy you are trying to bust balls on right now IS A MMA fighter!

[Bwana]

These guys are the same size. Power wise, Carwin hits harder.

This is why I bust balls because people comment on this shit don't have a clue. In fact Carwin is still at 275 right now and Brock said he's actually 265.

So tell me again, he would kill him based on what? Size wise, it's even. Power wise it depends on what you're talking about. Both are great wrestlers, but Carwin is the only one with respectable stand up between the two.

So I want to know what it is Lesnar would kill Carwin with?

ROFL

Dude, you either need to lay the **** off the coffee, or get a prescription of Prozac. Like many things in life, it's a matter of opinion. If this fight, or any other MMA fight for that matter, were a forgone conclusion, there wouldn't be people paying to watch.

[TheGuardian]

Well the guy you are trying to bust balls on right now IS A MMA fighter!

So? I train with MMA fighters every week. So the fuck what?

Dude, you either need to lay the **** off the coffee, or get a prescription of Prozac. Like many things in life, it's a matter of opinion. If this fight, or any other MMA fight for that matter, were a forgone conclusion, there wouldn't be people paying to watch.

You said it was because of size and power. Well Carwin is bigger. So you're betting on the smaller guy?

[RNR]

ROFL

Dude, you either need to lay the **** off the coffee, or get a prescription of Prozac. Like many things in life, it's a matter of opinion. If this fight, or any other MMA fight for that matter, were a forgone conclusion, there wouldn't be people paying to watch.

Him and I got off to a rocky start, but get along now. He seems to take things a little personal. I did get a chuckle out of him telling you about MMA :) This came around after my fighting days.

[RNR]

So? I train with MMA fighters every week. So the **** what?



You said it was because of size and power. Well Carwin is bigger. So you're betting on the smaller guy?

Ok keyboard badass you are a badass in real life to. Why don't you do everyone a favor and just kick Lesnars ass yourself :rolleyes:

[TheGuardian]

Ok keyboard badass you are a badass in real life to. Why don't you do everyone a favor and just kick Lesnars ass yourself :rolleyes:

Why don't you post something dumber?

[Bwana]

You said it was because of size and power. Well Carwin is bigger. So you're betting on the smaller guy?

Carwin may have a few extra pounds at this point in time, but I would give the power edge to Lesner. As I stated before, ring rust could very well come into play for Lesner. It should be a good fight, which is why I'm buying it.

[RNR]

Why don't you post something dumber?

look guy you come off as a tool to anyone who disagrees with you. Carwin may just destroy Lesnar. But you dismissing Lesnar as a joke who does not stand a chance and going off on anyone who disagrees is pretty dumb. If your boy Carwin gets it done you can post the I told you so posts. I have said I am new to MMA but that does not mean I am not allowed to take a GUESS on who will win. Because That is all everybody is doing experts included taking a guess. Till these fellas strap leather and start trading nobody knows the outcome~

[Bwana]

Till these fellas strap leather and start trading nobody knows the outcome~

And there you have it, a A lot like the NFL. Any given day.........

[TheGuardian]

look guy you come off as a tool to anyone who disagrees with you. Carwin may just destroy Lesnar. But you dismissing Lesnar as a joke who does not stand a chance and going off on anyone who disagrees is pretty dumb. If your boy Carwin gets it done you can post the I told you so posts. I have said I am new to MMA but that does not mean I am not allowed to take a GUESS on who will win. Because That is all everybody is doing experts included taking a guess. Till these fellas strap leather and start trading nobody knows the outcome~

I haven't dismissed Lesnar as possibly winning at all. I said with heavyweights anything can happen. And Lesnar is a world class athlete. However if you're going to give an opinion and it's not an educated one, then don't argue about your opinion. If a guy says that Lesnar will win because of the size factor that doesn't make a damn bit of sense, seeing how Carwin and LEsnar are roughly the same size. Or that Carwin will need a lucky punch. People like this will get their comments taken apart because well, they are dumb.

Lesnar could easily come in and take it to the ground and do his usual lay on a guy for as long as it takes to tire him out routine and win. But I don't find it likely when you put it all together. Two guys, same size, similar backgrounds, the difference being that CArwin hits like a fucking freight train and LEsnar has shit stand up ability. So if everything cancels everything out, what are you left with? If Carwin keeps it standing then this fight will be over early. Lesnar's only chance is to take CArwin down and control him there. And I don't see that happening without LESNAR landing a lucky punch.

[RNR]

I haven't dismissed Lesnar as possibly winning at all. I said with heavyweights anything can happen. And Lesnar is a world class athlete. However if you're going to give an opinion and it's not an educated one, then don't argue about your opinion. If a guy says that Lesnar will win because of the size factor that doesn't make a damn bit of sense, seeing how Carwin and LEsnar are roughly the same size. Or that Carwin will need a lucky punch. People like this will get their comments taken apart because well, they are dumb.

Lesnar could easily come in and take it to the ground and do his usual lay on a guy for as long as it takes to tire him out routine and win. But I don't find it likely when you put it all together. Two guys, same size, similar backgrounds, the difference being that CArwin hits like a ****ing freight train and LEsnar has shit stand up ability. So if everything cancels everything out, what are you left with? If Carwin keeps it standing then this fight will be over early. Lesnar's only chance is to take CArwin down and control him there. And I don't see that happening without LESNAR landing a lucky punch.

The only thing I have said about Lesnar is I have never seen a guy that big as quick or with that type of agility. I think he will be a handful for any heavyweight because he has the speed and agility of a much lighter man. That sure as hell does not mean a guy with Carwins striking ability cannot give him a nap~

[TheGuardian]

The only thing I have said about Lesnar is I have never seen a guy that big as quick or with that type of agility. I think he will be a handful for any heavyweight because he has the speed and agility of a much lighter man. That sure as hell does not mean a guy with Carwins striking ability cannot give him a nap~

And I agreed with all of that. 100%. So I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about.

What I thought was silly was for dude to say that Carwin needed luck or that Lesnar would win due to size. When Carwin has finished everyone in the first round and is bigger than Lesnar. Neither takes on the fight made any sense.

[TheGuardian]

We are good, most seem to think Lesnar has the power advantage as far as bulldoging. As far as the weight it means a lot and it means nothing. It depends on many varables. There are guys who have to cut weight to make fights because they are dropping down to a lower class or they put on large ammounts of weight between fights. Raberto Duran is a case in point. He often would swell to 185 lbs or more and have to cut weight...a lot! to fight. H

Yeah I see the weight thing as a neutral factor. Both guys are similar size. Both guys are powerful guys. So I think it comes back to this.......

1. Brock wins IF he's THAT much better than Carwin on the ground. Meaning, Brock can truly hold Carwin down and go GnP on him. Some say he had no problem holding Herring and Mir down. But Neither of those guys have the wrestling background that Carwin does. Couture had no problem getting up from underneath Brock. Now, Couture is like a man amongst boys in terms of wrestling, but I don't think Carwin is a slouch obviously. So again, can Brock hold him down? Hard to say.

2. Carwin wins if he keeps it standing. Brock has no knockouts to his credit and his standup is about as amateur as one can get at that level. Lesnar's camp may be trying to work in a strategy where Brock does in fact stand up for a while. Long enough to get Carwin to believe he's going to stand, so that he can work the shoot. This is what I believe you will see happen. Brock will stand long enough to make Carwin believe that he's willing to do that, then he will work the shoot. If Carwin can work his sprawl and keep it on the feet, the match won't go on very long because Carwin will knock him out if it turns into a stand up match.

I think that covers about everything.

[RNR]

And I agreed with all of that. 100%. So I'm not sure what you're arguing with me about.

What I thought was silly was for dude to say that Carwin needed luck or that Lesnar would win due to size. When Carwin has finished everyone in the first round and is bigger than Lesnar. Neither takes on the fight made any sense.

We are good, most seem to think Lesnar has the power advantage as far as bulldogging. As far as the weight it means a lot and it means nothing. It depends on many variables. There are guys who have to cut weight to make fights because they are dropping down to a lower class or they put on large amounts of weight between fights.

Roberto Duran is a case in point. He often would swell to 185 lbs or more and have to cut weight...a lot! to fight. He would have nothing but fat to lose. Lesnar holds 265 lbs and that appears to be his natural (in shape weight) I have no idea if Carwin holds 275 lbs natural or if he tends to fight weight like Duran. Weight and power are two different things~

[RNR]

Yeah I see the weight thing as a neutral factor. Both guys are similar size. Both guys are powerful guys. So I think it comes back to this.......

1. Brock wins IF he's THAT much better than Carwin on the ground. Meaning, Brock can truly hold Carwin down and go GnP on him. Some say he had no problem holding Herring and Mir down. But Neither of those guys have the wrestling background that Carwin does. Couture had no problem getting up from underneath Brock. Now, Couture is like a man amongst boys in terms of wrestling, but I don't think Carwin is a slouch obviously. So again, can Brock hold him down? Hard to say.

2. Carwin wins if he keeps it standing. Brock has no knockouts to his credit and his standup is about as amateur as one can get at that level. Lesnar's camp may be trying to work in a strategy where Brock does in fact stand up for a while. Long enough to get Carwin to believe he's going to stand, so that he can work the shoot. This is what I believe you will see happen. Brock will stand long enough to make Carwin believe that he's willing to do that, then he will work the shoot. If Carwin can work his sprawl and keep it on the feet, the match won't go on very long because Carwin will knock him out if it turns into a stand up match.

I think that covers about everything.

I sent that before I was ready...please read the revised post :)

[TheGuardian]

I sent that before I was ready...please read the revised post :)

Carwin started the camp for the fight against Mir at 300 pounds. He started this camp at 275 and has stayed near that. That's from the horses mouth. :D

[RNR]

Carwin started the camp for the fight against Mir at 300 pounds. He started this camp at 275 and has stayed near that. That's from the horses mouth. :D

The only reason I gave you a hard time is that you seem very knowledgeable but tend to respond in anger. I understand someone saying something you feel is silly but you should lighten up IMO I have a huge advantage over you...I have to proof read! it gives me a chance to cool off :D

[Sfeihc]

Fedor is weak sauce. The last top flight Heavy he fought was years ago. He's just a puppet for the Russian Mob. I think if Carwin lays his hands on Brock it's all over now baby blue. I'll take the engineer over Mr. Sable.

[TheGuardian]

The only reason I gave you a hard time is that you seem very knowledgeable but tend to respond in anger. I understand someone saying something you feel is silly but you should lighten up IMO I have a huge advantage over you...I have to proof read! it gives me a chance to cool off :D

I think people think I'm angry..............;)

[Sully]

MMAcca.

[KcMizzou]

MMAcca.LMAO

Took me a minute...

[Gary]

For whatever reason Ken gave Bas fits. And Bas was a bad mother chicken.

I watched some of Bas' old pan creas fights...he was a bad mother trucker!!! He narrated the videos & would call out when he was going to deliver things like liver shot knockouts.

[KCUnited]

Fedor lost. BJJ.

[Shag]

Anyone have a stream?

[MadMax]

MadMax,
Bro.............WHAT IS UP WITH THAT LONG ASS HAIR?
Are you serious with that shit?




I probably have children your age son, show a little respect :) You hatin on long hair is just lame. I'm pretty much done in life being disabled and all, but I won't explain myself to you or anyone else. I did my time.

[salame]

I probably have children your age son, show a little respect :) You hatin on long hair is just lame. I'm pretty much done in life being disabled and all, but I won't explain myself to you or anyone else. I did my time.

My bad man and FTR I meant to positive rep you on this post and somehow neg repped you so my bad.
I guess being disabled is a pretty good reason to have long hair.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

MMAcca.

ROFL Yep

[MadMax]

My bad man and FTR I meant to positive rep you on this post and somehow neg repped you so my bad.
I guess being disabled is a pretty good reason to have long hair.



Nah, no problem bro, I get amped up here sometimes when i'm drinking. It's all good and maybe I come off as being an ass and don't really mean to be. And to Guardian, you come off as being an arrogant "know it all" jerk in this thread so I'll just apologize on my part as I did kinda attack you. As for the long hair it's been a part of me my whole life and most can see past that and know i'm a good person.

[RNR]

Nah, no problem bro, I get amped up here sometimes when i'm drinking. It's all good and maybe I come off as being an ass and don't really mean to be. And to Guardian, you come off as being an arrogant "know it all" jerk in this thread so I'll just apologize on my part as I did kinda attack you. As for the long hair it's been a part of me my whole life and most can see past that and know i'm a good person.

I think more than a few of us have done that a time or two :D

[MadMax]

I think more than a few of us have done that a time or two :D



You are a good guy Redneck (even being a raider fan) lol I respect your opinion bro :)

[salame]

Nah, no problem bro, I get amped up here sometimes when i'm drinking. It's all good and maybe I come off as being an ass and don't really mean to be. And to Guardian, you come off as being an arrogant "know it all" jerk in this thread so I'll just apologize on my part as I did kinda attack you. As for the long hair it's been a part of me my whole life and most can see past that and know i'm a good person.

to be honest mad max, one night I was on here hammered, and saw your long hair. I guess I just picked it up and started running :)

[RNR]

Lesnar played for the Minnesota Vikings, where he created controversy in some games by starting minor fights and got heat from the Kansas City Chiefs for a sack on quarterback Damon Huard, which drew a big response from the crowd.[71] Huard was hit hard and had to go to the sidelines and sit out a few plays.[71] After playing in the preseason, Lesnar ended up being a late cut.[12] He declined an invitation to play as a representative of the Vikings in NFL Europa because he wanted to be closer to home with his family

Well votes are in and the Planet predicts Lesnar to win. Most likely unaware that his claim to fame in the NFL was a cheap shot against the Chiefs LMAO

[SAUTO]

Lesnar played for the Minnesota Vikings, where he created controversy in some games by starting minor fights and got heat from the Kansas City Chiefs for a sack on quarterback Damon Huard, which drew a big response from the crowd.[71] Huard was hit hard and had to go to the sidelines and sit out a few plays.[71] After playing in the preseason, Lesnar ended up being a late cut.[12] He declined an invitation to play as a representative of the Vikings in NFL Europa because he wanted to be closer to home with his family

Well votes are in and the Planet predicts Lesnar to win. Most likely unaware that his claim to fame in the NFL was a cheap shot against the Chiefs LMAO

i remember it clearly and will NEVER root for lesnar to win anything:D

really though i do remember it but dont like lesnar because he's a douchebag

[CoMoChief]

Lesnar played for the Minnesota Vikings, where he created controversy in some games by starting minor fights and got heat from the Kansas City Chiefs for a sack on quarterback Damon Huard, which drew a big response from the crowd.[71] Huard was hit hard and had to go to the sidelines and sit out a few plays.[71] After playing in the preseason, Lesnar ended up being a late cut.[12] He declined an invitation to play as a representative of the Vikings in NFL Europa because he wanted to be closer to home with his family

Well votes are in and the Planet predicts Lesnar to win. Most likely unaware that his claim to fame in the NFL was a cheap shot against the Chiefs LMAO

Will Shields also slammed him on his ass from what I remember.