Some interesting Pioli quotes

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/articles/2010/06/20/pioli_saw_gains_in_lost_season_for_kansas_city/?page=1

The anti-Carl.


But all along the way, even as the proud Chiefs franchise watched its 156-game sellout streak snapped, first-year general manager Scott Pioli kept a quote from Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail’’ in mind:

“Seldom do I pause to answer criticism of my work and ideas. If I sought to answer all the criticisms that cross my desk, my secretaries would have little time for anything other than such correspondence in the course of the day, and I would have no time for constructive work.’’It's a process.

“If you’re going to change the culture of a football team and an organization, you better be genuinely willing to do the things that are going to change it, and that goes beyond the players, the coaching, the locker room,’’ Pioli said. “People understand the expectations now. Any time there’s change, there’s a lot of variables that contribute to perception and people’s behavior. All of that matters.’’We're good enough, we're smart enough and gosh darn it...


“Here’s what I know: We became smarter and we became more competitive,’’ Pioli said. “We were more competitive down the stretch, we continued to play hard, the players kept playing for the head coach. Overall, we’re smarter, tougher, more disciplined.

“We were getting a better degree of production, and that’s people knowing their jobs, what was expected, and what we expect them to do to prepare for their job — being on time, paying attention, doing extra things.’’Transition year.


“They’re starting to understand what’s required,’’ Pioli said. “It’s not completely ingrained yet. It can’t be in 12 months time. It needs to be rewarded with more success.

“[But] everyone’s now been through a whole season cycle with an understanding of expectations. Now, you go in the locker room, talk to the trainers, the video people, the equipment guys, all the support staff, and they have an understanding not only of what we’re doing, but why we’re doing it.’’

[orange]

Well done.

[rambleonthruthefog]

keep doubting scott MFers

[Reaper16]

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[Psyko Tek]

it's the colon

[Mr. Kotter]

Pioli is a keeper--critics be damned....it's Haley I'm not sure about, but I'll say this--Wies and Crennel ought to help his chances, immensely.

[Hammock Parties]

Scott is a keeper....it's Haley I'm not sure about, but I'll say this--Wies and Crennel ought to help his chances, immensely.

Pioli is in as much hot water as Haley, if not moreso, because of the acquisition of Cassel and the turd of a draft he turned in his first time out. The '10 draft is up in the air.

[Art Vader]

Scott Pioli is a Freemason.

[Hammock Parties]

Scott Pioli is a Freemason.

If I was rich and powerful I'd be a freemason.

[Mr. Kotter]

Pioli is in as much hot water as Haley, if not moreso, because of the acquisition of Cassel and the turd of a draft he turned in his first time out. The '10 draft is up in the air.

U R full of chit, Clayton---tryin' to "stir-up" things for the rag u work for? Seriously??? :shake:

NO WAY, after ONE friggin' year....is Pioli in "hot" water.

Hunt is more patient with FO types than coaches...hell he gave C.P. 15 years too long...

Anything else need to be said??? :rolleyes:

[Hammock Parties]

I'm talking about amongst the fan base. And I don't work for WPI.

[CoMoChief]

Need to have more offseasons like this one.

Don't really agree w/ Cassel starting, would rather have Croyle.

And I don't like how we just wasted a draft in SP's first season. There's no excuse for that, the draft is the backbone of the franchise. That firts SP draft was brutally bad.

[milkman]

U R full of chit, Clayton---tryin' to "stir-up" things for the rag u work for? Seriously??? :shake:

NO WAY, after ONE friggin' year....is Pioli in "hot" water.

Hunt is more patient with FO types than coaches...hell he gave C.P. 15 years too long...

Anything else need to be said??? :rolleyes:

Lamar Hunt was patient.

We don't yet know about Clark Hunt, and the fact is, Cassel and that first draft doesn't do anything to instill anyone with confidence.

[Marco Polo]

Any businessman who has had to turn anything around knows that it truly is a process. Some employees you can cut; others you can't. It takes time to change the culture around, hold people accountable for their actions, and realize that it takes a quality work ethic to truly be part of success.

As a fan, I want the Chiefs to win now. As a manager of 31 employees that inherited an under-performing office, it took me a good year to right the ship. Now, the office is performing at record levels and I've been there 20 months.

This isn't to pat myself on the back, but rather validate that it truly is a process to change the culture in the business world. I'm not thrilled with some of the personnel changes but I'm willing to give a little bit more patience because while I dealt with egos of white collar professionals, I can't imagine dealing with the egos of millionaire spoiled brats that have never been told no in their life.

[wazu]

Pioli is in as much hot water as Haley, if not moreso, because of the acquisition of Cassel and the turd of a draft he turned in his first time out. The '10 draft is up in the air.

THIS. Pioli has gone all-in on Cassel. And he traded Tony Gonzalez for Javier Arenas. And drafted T-Jax at #3. So far Haley is my favorite move that he has made, followed closely by drafting Berry.

[Dante84]

THIS. Pioli has gone all-in on Cassel. And he traded Tony Gonzalez for Javier Arenas. And drafted T-Jax at #3. So far Haley is my favorite move that he has made, followed closely by drafting Berry.

Other positives of note include:
Weiss
Crenell
Earl Thomas
Thomas Jones
Chris Chambers
Vrabel AND hot item at the time Cassel for only a 2nd round pick.
2nd round pick for a 30+ TE
Cycling in veterans to kick the tires on rather than standing pat with the shit we had anyways.

[|Zach|]

Neither one of those two is in hot water. The sports talk radio\message board fan base can blow all the hot air they like. The people running the Chiefs are doing a good job.

[Dante84]

Neither one of those two is in hot water. The sports talk radio\message board fan base can blow all the hot air they like. The people running the Chiefs are doing a good job.

emm- effing this.

[BossChief]

Other positives of note include:
Weiss
Crenell
Earl Thomas
Thomas Jones
Chris Chambers
Vrabel AND hot item at the time Cassel for only a 2nd round pick.
2nd round pick for a 30+ TE
Cycling in veterans to kick the tires on rather than standing pat with the shit we had anyways.what does Earl Thomas have to do with this?

[salame]

Maybe he means Emmitt THomas

[Marcellus]

I'm talking about amongst the fan base. And I don't work for WPI.

CP is not the "fan base" and outside of here with the majority of the actual fan base, I find there is little to no outrage over Pioli.

[Reerun_KC]

CP is not the "fan base" and outside of here with the majority of the actual fan base, I find there is little to no outrage over Pioli.

This...

CP is such a SMALL minority and from talking to other Chiefs fans that know nothing about CP nor care about a message board, dont see anyones job in jeporady... Most feel its going to take some time to Unfuck the franchise thanks to Herm and Carl. Most are excited about the progress and the future of the franchise.

Fortantly the knee jerk reaction crowd here is less 0.5% of the ACTUAL Chiefs fanbase.

[Fish]

CP is not the "fan base" and outside of here with the majority of the actual fan base, I find there is little to no outrage over Pioli.

Well... the actual fan base... as you put it... is completely stupid and actually knows very little about the game of football. Hell half the damn stadium doesn't know that you're supposed to be quiet when the team is on offense and make noise when the defense is on the field. Just because the common denominator is so low and doesn't realize or pay attention to the inner workings of the team, that doesn't mean everything is peachy...

I would bet a dollar that a large percentage of those you deem "actual fans" couldn't tell you the name of the current Chiefs GM... let alone whether he's doing a good job.

[boogblaster]

im confused ... again ... are we better ... or smarter ... or older .....

[MMXcalibur]

Well... the actual fan base... as you put it... is completely stupid and actually knows very little about the game of football. Hell half the damn stadium doesn't know that you're supposed to be quiet when the team is on offense and make noise when the defense is on the field. Just because the common denominator is so low and doesn't realize or pay attention to the inner workings of the team, that doesn't mean everything is peachy...

I would bet a dollar that a large percentage of those you deem "actual fans" couldn't tell you the name of the current Chiefs GM... let alone whether he's doing a good job.


I'd take that bet. In my experience anyways, most Chiefs fans actually know what the f**k is going on with the team. Kansas City is not a big bandwagon team like Dallas or New England where the majority of the "fanbase" only likes them because they win or whatnot. I can honestly say I've never met a Chiefs fan who wasn't in tune with the current condition/personnel of the team.

[Fish]

I'd take that bet. In my experience anyways, most Chiefs fans actually know what the f**k is going on with the team. Kansas City is not a big bandwagon team like Dallas or New England where the majority of the "fanbase" only likes them because they win or whatnot. I can honestly say I've never met a Chiefs fan who wasn't in tune with the current condition/personnel of the team.

Pffffttttt.... ROFL

The large majority of Chiefs fans are exactly like any other team's fans. Winning or otherwise. They aren't different just because it's the Chiefs. Don't kid yourself. That's stuff that Mitch Holthus blathers about to drum up team pride in otherwise ignorant fans. I don't believe you for a second when you say you've never met a Chiefs fan who wasn't in tune with the current condition/personnel. I meet dozens upon dozens of people exactly like that at every Chiefs game I attend.

[Tiger's Fan]

Well... the actual fan base... as you put it... is completely stupid and actually knows very little about the game of football. Hell half the damn stadium doesn't know that you're supposed to be quiet when the team is on offense and make noise when the defense is on the field. Just because the common denominator is so low and doesn't realize or pay attention to the inner workings of the team, that doesn't mean everything is peachy...

I would bet a dollar that a large percentage of those you deem "actual fans" couldn't tell you the name of the current Chiefs GM... let alone whether he's doing a good job.

A pretty inflated sense of self worth in this post.

A handful of posters here that are eternally pessimistic aren't representative of the fanbase as a whole. Most fans realize that a rebuild takes time, and outside of this BB, people are pretty optimistic about the future of the team.

One thing you said was true though. Some on here THINK they know more about football than others.

[Consistent1]

The team may be frustrating at times in the upcoming season.However,it seems to me that they will be able to keep games close,and quite possibly squeak out some surprises.At least the young guys will get a year in.Cassel and TJack are still question marks,but they should play better.Gonzalez wouldn't have saved the team.Even Vrabel has been somewhat positive in a few ways.We shall see,but as long as expectations aren't crazy,it seems to me it will be a fun year to watch.
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[Reerun_KC]

Well... the actual fan base... as you put it... is completely stupid and actually knows very little about the game of football. Hell half the damn stadium doesn't know that you're supposed to be quiet when the team is on offense and make noise when the defense is on the field. Just because the common denominator is so low and doesn't realize or pay attention to the inner workings of the team, that doesn't mean everything is peachy...

I would bet a dollar that a large percentage of those you deem "actual fans" couldn't tell you the name of the current Chiefs GM... let alone whether he's doing a good job.

Seriously? You actually believe this shit you are spewing?

[Reerun_KC]

A pretty inflated sense of self worth in this post.

A handful of posters here that are eternally pessimistic aren't representative of the fanbase as a whole. Most fans realize that a rebuild takes time, and outside of this BB, people are pretty optimistic about the future of the team.

One thing you said was true though. Some on here THINK they know more about football than others.

QFT....

There are a shit ton of fans that know an assload about the franchise... They just dont come on some BB and pound their cocks on the screen, telling everyone that they know the most...

There was so much fail in that post... Where would you start?

[Fish]

A pretty inflated sense of self worth in this post.

A handful of posters here that are eternally pessimistic aren't representative of the fanbase as a whole. Most fans realize that a rebuild takes time, and outside of this BB, people are pretty optimistic about the future of the team.

One thing you said was true though. Some on here THINK they know more about football than others.

Inflated sense of self worth? What? I'm not tooting my own horn here, just making an observation. I'm no football expert by any stretch and have never claimed to be. But that doesn't mean I don't observe other fans who know very little about the team or the actual game itself. The fanbase as a whole is essentially your average Walmart patron.

Sorry you feel threatened by the knowledge of others on the board. That wasn't the intent here.

[Fish]

Seriously? You actually believe this shit you are spewing?

Classic. The only football insight I've ever gotten from your posts is "It's all Herm's fault!"

[loochy]

If I was rich and powerful I'd be a freemason.

Here's a question - are you a Freemason because you are rich and powerful OR are you rich and powerful because you are a Freemason?

[Reerun_KC]

Inflated sense of self worth? What? I'm not tooting my own horn here, just making an observation. I'm no football expert by any stretch and have never claimed to be. But that doesn't mean I don't observe other fans who know very little about the team or the actual game itself. The fanbase as a whole is essentially your average Walmart patron.

Sorry you feel threatened by the knowledge of others on the board. That wasn't the intent here.

Fair enough..

[Reerun_KC]

Classic. The only football insight I've ever gotten from your posts is "It's all Herm's fault!"

Poor Fellow.. Take a look at the botton of your screen, The date is 6/21/2010...

Try and stay current... Your obsession with Herm is disturbing...

Your view of the fanbase is skewed by your hate of everything Chiefs...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Well I'm certainly comforted now. Yep, I feel better about life as a Chiefs fan because of this collection of materials alone.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Here's a question - are you a Freemason because you are rich and powerful OR are you rich and powerful because you are a Freemason?

Neither.

[Fish]

Poor Fellow.. Take a look at the botton of your screen, The date is 6/21/2010...

Try and stay current... Your obsession with Herm is disturbing...

Your view of the fanbase is skewed by your hate of everything Chiefs...

Yeah... I'm way off base here huh? You've gotten over Herm right?

Except...

This...

Most feel its going to take some time to Unfuck the franchise thanks to Herm and Carl.

Yeah... my obsession with Herm... that's your post from this very thread.

I'm certain that others around here could back me up on your silly Herm excuse trend.

And if you cannot differentiate between criticism and hatred, then I don't know what else I could say.

[loochy]

Neither.

Are you poor because you are not a Freemason OR are you not a Freemason because you are poor?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Are you poor because you are not a Freemason OR are you not a Freemason because you are poor?

LMAO

[Reerun_KC]

Yeah... I'm way off base here huh? You've gotten over Herm right?

Except...



Yeah... my obsession with Herm... that's your post from this very thread.

I'm certain that others around here could back me up on your silly Herm excuse trend.

And if you cannot differentiate between criticism and hatred, then I don't know what else I could say.

that would be great....

[Marcellus]

Well... the actual fan base... as you put it... is completely stupid and actually knows very little about the game of football. Hell half the damn stadium doesn't know that you're supposed to be quiet when the team is on offense and make noise when the defense is on the field. Just because the common denominator is so low and doesn't realize or pay attention to the inner workings of the team, that doesn't mean everything is peachy...

I would bet a dollar that a large percentage of those you deem "actual fans" couldn't tell you the name of the current Chiefs GM... let alone whether he's doing a good job.

The obvious point that you are completely missing is it doesn't matter how smart the average fan is anyway, though I think you are way wrong about your opinion of the average KC fan.


The bottom line is you win, fans come to games and spend $. That's all most fans care about. Whether they know the value of a 6th round draft pick is irrelevant.

If the Chiefs continue to suck people will get pissed. It's not rocket science.

You actually think your opinion matters more to Clark Hunt than the average fan's. Guess what, it doesn't.

[|Zach|]

Yea, if you hate yourself enough listen to 5 mins of sports talk radio and then tell me that the rabid sports fanbase is smarter than the average fan.

I love Chiefs Planet but anyone who thinks it isn't the sports equivalent of crazy fringe nut jobs in politics doesn't have a handle on where groups of fans like ours fit into the grand scheme of things.

[aturnis]

Wow. Fish used to be a pretty decent poster on this board. Though, over the last year, it seems he's gone full douche bag.

What's with the trend of average posters suddenly conforming to the Dane/Hamas/Mecca/Milkman approach to their "internet personalities" ? Type loud, fast and be an offensive dickhead. YAY!

It's easier when you don't have to think for yourself too. Just agree with all things pessimistic. It doesn't even take very long for them to learn what the "proper" viewpoint should be.

**** off doucher.

[Fish]

The obvious point that you are completely missing is it doesn't matter how smart the average fan is anyway, though I think you are way wrong about your opinion of the average KC fan.


The bottom line is you win, fans come to games and spend $. That's all most fans care about. Whether they know the value of a 6th round draft pick is irrelevant.

If the Chiefs continue to suck people will get pissed. It's not rocket science.

You actually think your opinion matters more to Clark Hunt than the average fan's. Guess what, it doesn't.

I totally agree with the bolded part. Hunt, or any owner for that matter, doesn't give two shits about anything any of the fans think. They haven't for a long time.

[Fish]

Wow. Fish used to be a pretty decent poster on this board. Though, over the last year, it seems he's gone full douche bag.

What's with the trend of average posters suddenly conforming to the Dane/Hamas/Mecca/Milkman approach to their "internet personalities" ? Type loud, fast and be an offensive dickhead. YAY!

It's easier when you don't have to think for yourself too. Just agree with all things pessimistic. It doesn't even take very long for them to learn what the "proper" viewpoint should be.

**** off doucher.

Full douche bag huh? Thanks for the broken heart.

Would you prefer we have a group hug and wave around our #1 Fan foam hands while our franchise has won 10 games over the last 3 seasons? Sorry, but I've seen a steaming pile of shit the last 3 years and I think it deserves criticism instead of blind faith patience. I'm done with blind faith patience. I see no reason to pat ourselves on the back and recite Mitch Holthus cheers and tell ourselves "It's a process, we're still the greatest fans in the world". The greatest fans in the world shouldn't carry the "Process" excuse for 17 years after their last playoff win.

I'm going to criticize the franchise until I see actual improvement on the field. That's not hatred for my team. That's not me thinking I'm better than anyone. That's not me saying shit just to be a douche. It's frustration built from years of seeing fellow fans tow the "Process" line without ever questioning it or expecting/demanding anything better. I'll also cheer and give praise when I see things I like and things I'm proud of.

I'm not looking down on anyone here. I'm simply commenting that most of our Chiefs fan brethren don't soak up Chiefs info on a daily basis like the majority of us do here. And that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But don't sit here and claim that the majority is as knowledgeable as us posters here are. That's total fallacy. Just listen to 30 minutes of any sports talk radio, or spark up an in-depth football conversation with the casual fan at work and you'll see rather quickly. The common fan is way below the knowledge level of 90% of the folks that post here. Same way for any team.

So fuck off with your accusations of me being a pessimistic douche that doesn't think for myself. If criticizing the team you love is being an offensive douche, then I guess I'll wear the badge.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Full douche bag huh? Thanks for the broken heart.

Would you prefer we have a group hug and wave around our #1 Fan foam hands while our franchise has won 10 games over the last 3 seasons? Sorry, but I've seen a steaming pile of shit the last 3 years and I think it deserves criticism instead of blind faith patience. I'm done with blind faith patience. I see no reason to pat ourselves on the back and recite Mitch Holthus cheers and tell ourselves "It's a process, we're still the greatest fans in the world". The greatest fans in the world shouldn't carry the "Process" excuse for 17 years after their last playoff win.

I'm going to criticize the franchise until I see actual improvement on the field. That's not hatred for my team. That's not me thinking I'm better than anyone. That's not me saying shit just to be a douche. It's frustration built from years of seeing fellow fans tow the "Process" line without ever questioning it or expecting/demanding anything better. I'll also cheer and give praise when I see things I like and things I'm proud of.

I'm not looking down on anyone here. I'm simply commenting that most of our Chiefs fan brethren don't soak up Chiefs info on a daily basis like the majority of us do here. And that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But don't sit here and claim that the majority is as knowledgeable as us posters here are. That's total fallacy. Just listen to 30 minutes of any sports talk radio, or spark up an in-depth football conversation with the casual fan at work and you'll see rather quickly. The common fan is way below the knowledge level of 90% of the folks that post here. Same way for any team.

So fuck off with your accusations of me being a pessimistic douche that doesn't think for myself. If criticizing the team you love is being an offensive douche, then I guess I'll wear the badge.

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[chiefzilla1501]

I totally agree with the bolded part. Hunt, or any owner for that matter, doesn't give two shits about anything any of the fans think. They haven't for a long time.

Well, yet to be seen with the new Hunt. He's been here a short time. In that time, he fired an extremely unpopular GM even though he was a long-time family friend. He hired a guy that was believed by many to be the best in the business. And he paid him a lot of money to do it. And even though he clearly wanted to keep Herm, he gave his GM the power to make the call on the head coach. Too soon to say if he's done a good job, but I think that's tough and unfair to say he doesn't care about the fans. I think he's shown so far that he's willing to make a lot of tough decisions his father ever made.

And by the way, on the other posts, totally unfair for people to call you out because you criticize your team. I couldn't stand being on this board if there were a million people waxing each other's balls all the time.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If Pioli's gig turns in to another "Carl Tenure" without results, it's time to find a new hobby.

[Marcellus]

Full douche bag huh? Thanks for the broken heart.

Would you prefer we have a group hug and wave around our #1 Fan foam hands while our franchise has won 10 games over the last 3 seasons? Sorry, but I've seen a steaming pile of shit the last 3 years and I think it deserves criticism instead of blind faith patience. I'm done with blind faith patience. I see no reason to pat ourselves on the back and recite Mitch Holthus cheers and tell ourselves "It's a process, we're still the greatest fans in the world". The greatest fans in the world shouldn't carry the "Process" excuse for 17 years after their last playoff win.

I'm going to criticize the franchise until I see actual improvement on the field. That's not hatred for my team. That's not me thinking I'm better than anyone. That's not me saying shit just to be a douche. It's frustration built from years of seeing fellow fans tow the "Process" line without ever questioning it or expecting/demanding anything better. I'll also cheer and give praise when I see things I like and things I'm proud of.

I'm not looking down on anyone here. I'm simply commenting that most of our Chiefs fan brethren don't soak up Chiefs info on a daily basis like the majority of us do here. And that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But don't sit here and claim that the majority is as knowledgeable as us posters here are. That's total fallacy. Just listen to 30 minutes of any sports talk radio, or spark up an in-depth football conversation with the casual fan at work and you'll see rather quickly. The common fan is way below the knowledge level of 90% of the folks that post here. Same way for any team.

So **** off with your accusations of me being a pessimistic douche that doesn't think for myself. If criticizing the team you love is being an offensive douche, then I guess I'll wear the badge.

Still rings true.

Nobody has any issue with anyone posting their "views". That's what the point of this place is right?

How they voice their views, how they treat other people's views, how they react when their view is shown to be inaccurate, and how they react to people disagreeing with said views is another story.

[wasi]

The team I watched last year was a big improvement over the 2008 2-win team.

Secondly, it seems that lately the consensus around here is that CP members believe they smarter than the average fan. If that is the case, why do people get called stupid or not having knowledge about football if they bring forth something resembling "blind faith patience"?

If you have two members of CP. All things being equal, then what's the difference between what you view as a steaming pile of shit with no positives and blind faith patience, if those views are both being expressed by members of CP, that you yourself claim are informed Chiefs fans?

Those that don't critize every move get labelled stupid.. yet they should be smart because they members of CP..

[Reaper16]

The team I watched last year was a big improvement over the 2008 2-win team.

Secondly, it seems that lately the consensus around here is that CP members believe they smarter than the average fan. If that is the case, why do people get called stupid or not having knowledge about football if they bring forth something resembling "blind faith patience"?

If you have two members of CP. All things being equal, then what's the difference between what you view as a steaming pile of shit with no positives and blind faith patience, if those views are both being expressed by members of CP, that you yourself claim are informed Chiefs fans?

Those that don't critize every move get labelled stupid.. yet they should be smart because they members of CP..
Blind faith isn't a football take, it's retardation. Faith is fine. You can back up your faith with football reasons.

[wasi]

Blind faith isn't a football take, it's retardation. Faith is fine. You can back up your faith with football reasons.

Fair enough. Although, either is blind pessimism. I don't neccessarily see rock solid football reason coming from the champions of either side. A lot of time it's just name calling.

[DeezNutz]

I don't neccessarily see rock solid football reason coming from the champions of either side. A lot of time it's just name calling.

Really? The "homers" usually seem to bring a lot of impressive evidence to the table.

Well, if you say so...You're probably a GM, anyway, so I'll defer to your judgment.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Really? The "homers" usually seem to bring a lot of impressive evidence to the table.

LMAO

Yeah, words like "hope" hold up well when making an argument.

"Your Honor, my client is entering a plea of not guilty, because I hope he didn't murder his wife."

There are people here on both sides that present facts, stats and evidence to support their arguments.

Sadly, there aren't nearly enough.

[Fish]

The team I watched last year was a big improvement over the 2008 2-win team.

Secondly, it seems that lately the consensus around here is that CP members believe they smarter than the average fan. If that is the case, why do people get called stupid or not having knowledge about football if they bring forth something resembling "blind faith patience"?

If you have two members of CP. All things being equal, then what's the difference between what you view as a steaming pile of shit with no positives and blind faith patience, if those views are both being expressed by members of CP, that you yourself claim are informed Chiefs fans?

Those that don't critize every move get labelled stupid.. yet they should be smart because they members of CP..

In the NFL, going from 2 wins to 4 wins would be considered slight to modest improvement IMO. Only 4 wins indicates that there are still serious deficiencies with the team.

And yes, I think that the average CP member is smarter than the average fan. That doesn't mean there still aren't any stupid posters. There are thousands of posters here, but that's still a very very small portion of overall Chiefs fans. Just because a poster here is smarter than your average casual fan, that doesn't mean they're free from dumb ideas. Myself included. I've said plenty of dumb shit on here before, and have been rightly called out for it. Being smarter than the average fan doesn't give you unequivocal wisdom. We're not dealing with absolutes here.

[Reerun_KC]

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Why doesn't KC Fish or OTWP show us proof that the franchise is actually listening to them personally? If you can prove to me that Hunt or Pioli will sit down and listen to your complaints. Then we might actually take you seriously… IF not your just like the rest of us with an opinion, that means absolutely shit to the franchise.<o:p></o:p>
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Fuck this shit.

We come here to lay the fucking hard, cold, hammer of TRUTH down when this franchise does not live up to the goals and PRACTICES of a winning, professional, NFL Team.

You wanna' know why there aren't heaps of praise being thrown around like Adam Teicher tosses marshmallow fluff to his editor and calls it a career, smart-guy?

BECAUSE THERE'S VERY LITTLE HONEST AND LEGITIMATE PRAISE TO BE DEALT OUT AT THIS FUCKING POINT IN TIME, AND BECAUSE "HOPE" AND "EXPECTATIONS" MEAN JACK FUCKING SHIT.

Is has nothing to do with thinking this person or that person is a douche, and has EVERYTHING to do with the utter FAILURE that is the Kansas City Chiefs as they stand before the beginning of the 2010 NFL Season.

Period.

Excla-fuckingmation.

Thank you!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

And the "Retard Coalition", "Chiefs Dumbass Crowd", and "Home of About 4 Cool People Who Post About The Chiefs" forums have whole turnip carts of fucking dumbasses who'll agree with every stupid "hope floats" line of self-delusion you feel the need to post!

From these and other non-Planet institutions for the casual or "rah-rah-rah"-nutsack type of fan, you may also learn how to blow an excellent, first-class, retard spit-bubble to boot!

Yay!

[Marcellus]

And the "Retard Coalition", "Chiefs Dumbass Crowd", and "Home of About 4 Cool People Who Post About The Chiefs" forums have whole turnip carts of ****ing dumbasses who'll agree with every stupid "hope floats" line of self-delusion you feel the need to post!

From these and other non-Planet institutions for the casual or "rah-rah-rah"-nutsack type of fan, you may also learn how to blow an excellent, first-class, retard spit-bubble to boot!

Yay!

You guys never get the point.

I have stated over and over that most fans here on CP aren't dumb ass fans who just "hope" shit will get better and take whatever the organization wants to give them.

Most fans realize there needs to be improvement from Cassel, Haley, Bowe, and many others on how they play or coach on game day.

Yet most fans don't feel the need to incessantly bitch and complain constantly about everything all the time.

People like you are extremist. Extremism is rarely successful or profitable in any endeavor.

As I have stated before in other post, the extreme right or left are never completely correct in what they believe. Being extreme clouds your views and obscures the truth. Extremist truly have no perspective.

The truth and reality usually lies in the middle areas, normally leaning slightly one way or another, which is exactly what most posters here are like.

If you want to be an extremist, by all means go ahead, just don't try to tell me you are right and I am wrong just because you are extreme in your belief.

[-King-]

You guys never get the point.

I have stated over and over that most fans here on CP aren't dumb ass fans who just "hope" shit will get better and take whatever the organization wants to give them.

Most fans realize there needs to be improvement from Cassel, Haley, Bowe, and many others on how they play or coach on game day.

UYet most fans don't feel the need to incessantly bitch and complain constantly about everything all the time.

People like you are extremist. Extremism is rarely successful or profitable in any endeavor.

As I have stated before in other post, the extreme right or left are never completely correct in what they believe. Being extreme clouds your views and obscures the truth. Extremist truly have no perspective.

The truth and reality usually lies in the middle areas, normally leaning slightly one way or another, which is exactly what most posters here are like.

If you want to be an extremist, by all means go ahead, just don't try to tell me you are right and I am wrong just because you are extreme in your belief.

ROR isn't an extremist. Just a guy who dick rides the extremists.
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

ROR isn't an extremist. Just a guy who dick rides the extremists.
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I've yet to see jack-shit from you, Mr. Genius.

Would you care to regale us with a point-by-point treatise outlining exactly WHY Shat Cassholi will be a better QB this year?
Mmm?

[-King-]

I've yet to see jack-shit from you, Mr. Genius.

Would you care to regale us with a point-by-point treatise outlining exactly WHY Shat Cassholi will be a better QB this year?
Mmm?

Yes, because I've been a Matt Cassell supporter this year. Yup, you got me pegged.


Go dick ride some more posts and make irrelevant smart ass jokes in some more threads.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

You guys never get the point.

No, I never got the point or truly understood the long-term problems this franchise has experienced until I came HERE.


I have stated over and over that most fans here on CP aren't dumb ass fans who just "hope" shit will get better and take whatever the organization wants to give them.


And I agree; most of those fans are blowing magnificent spit-bubbles over at the Turdalition or the other sites I mentioned.


Most fans realize there needs to be improvement from Cassel, Haley, Bowe, and many others on how they play or coach on game day.


Yet like my own pre-Planet existence, they don't have much of a clue in regards to how you legitimately CREATE these improvements.


Yet most fans don't feel the need to incessantly bitch and complain constantly about everything all the time.


Bullshit. Every hard-core sports fan bitches incessantly.


People like you are extremist.

Bullshit. I have doled out high praise for the Berry acquisition and am hopeful that DMC and Moeaki will fullfill their promise in a big way.



The truth and reality usually lies in the middle areas, normally leaning slightly one way or another, which is exactly what most posters here are like.

If you want to be an extremist, by all means go ahead, just don't try to tell me you are right and I am wrong just because you are extreme in your belief.


These aren't goverment conspiracies or issues of politics; they are football players and football executives. Every time they perform or make a major descision, it is recorded and/or archived to the n'th-degree.
And throwing some sort of bogus "cloud of obfuscation" against the local press does not mean that one cannot discern what is happening with one's own football team.

I have learned to believe that there is generally accepted, proven way to build a successful NFL Franchise. Mr. Pioli believes he is going to FINALLY be that one, legitimate, ultra-special post-Belichick guy who successfully reinvents the wheel.

Good luck with that, Scott.

And good luck to you or anyone else who thinks he really is The Brains, and are willing to forgo common sense at times to support that theory.

All I can do at this point,.......is hope......that I end up being wrong about Scott Pioli's long-term effects on the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yes, because I've been a Matt Cassell supporter this year. Yup, you got me pegged.


Go dick ride some more posts and make irrelevant smart ass jokes in some more threads.

Fantastic work. Someone call Sports Illustrated and offer this jackhole a job. :clap:

[threebag]

what does Earl Thomas have to do with this?

You know Earl Thomas Conley

Rose colored glasses

[Marcellus]

No, I never got the point or truly understood the long-term problems this franchise has experienced until I came HERE.

This place made you a football genious. Nice.

Yet like my own pre-Planet existence, they don't have much of a clue in regards to how you legitimately CREATE these improvements.

So prior to CP you were clueless and now you have all the answers. Cool that you can you can think for yourself.


Bullshit. Every hard-core sports fan bitches incessantly.If you believe that I honestly feel bad for you. As I stated earlier, that is an extremist point of view that will gain you nothing but high blood pressure.

Bullshit. I have doled out high praise for the Berry acquisition and am hopeful that DMC and Moeaki will fullfill their promise in a big way.Then quit bitching about everything else

These aren't goverment conspiracies or issues of politics; they are football players and football executives. Every time they perform or make a major descision, it is recorded and/or archived to the n'th-degree.
And throwing some sort of bogus "cloud of obfuscation" against the local press does not mean that one cannot discern what is happening with one's own football team.Being far right or left in your stance on anything is blinding regardless of what aspect of life.

I have learned to believe that there is generally accepted, proven way to build a successful NFL Franchise. Mr. Pioli believes he is going to FINALLY be that one, legitimate, ultra-special post-Belichick guy who successfully reinvents the wheel.Once again you fail to realize Pioli was a part of the organization in New England, he isn't reinventing a wheel he is taking his part of the wheel with him and installing it. Why you idiots fail to realize Pioli was not the waterboy or janitor is beyond me.


And good luck to you or anyone else who thinks he really is The Brains, and are willing to forgo common sense at times to support that theory.Common sense actually dictates that Pioli had a lot to do with what went on in NE. You think BB brought him in to pay him $ and sit in his office doing nothing? Don't tell me about common sense when you let your blind hatred obscure any you may have had. Even if BB made the final call on most things you think maybe Pioli learned some of the same methods and ways of doing things? No he didnt do a damn thing that's why he was the most sought after GM on the market. Yes, lets forget everything Pioli and NE accomplished because we don't like what he did the first season in KC.

All I can do at this point,.......is hope......that I end up being wrong about Scott Pioli's long-term effects on the Kansas City Chiefs.

See above.

[Fish]

See above.

Once again you fail to realize Pioli was a part of the organization in New England, he isn't reinventing a wheel he is taking his part of the wheel with him and installing it. Why you idiots fail to realize Pioli was not the waterboy or janitor is beyond me.

Common sense actually dictates that Pioli had a lot to do with what went on in NE. You think BB brought him in to pay him $ and sit in his office doing nothing? Don't tell me about common sense when you let your blind hatred obscure any you may have had. Even if BB made the final call on most things you think maybe Pioli learned some of the same methods and ways of doing things? No he didnt do a damn thing that's why he was the most sought after GM on the market. Yes, lets forget everything Pioli and NE accomplished because we don't like what he did the first season in KC.


That's a legitimate thought. But look at the particular pieces Pioli has brought with him so far. None of them have produced much at all, be it coaches or players. And if Pioli learned that much from BB, he sure hasn't implemented much of it yet. His first season didn't look very Patriot-like at all, other than his desire to sign any castoff that had anything to do with NE.

What he accomplished in NE doesn't mean a damn thing unless he can reproduce some of that on his own without Belichick. So far he's produced nothing but hope and excuses for why his first season was a complete throw away evaluation year.

[milkman]

That's a legitimate thought. But look at the particular pieces Pioli has brought with him so far. None of them have produced much at all, be it coaches or players. And if Pioli learned that much from BB, he sure hasn't implemented much of it yet. His first season didn't look very Patriot-like at all, other than his desire to sign any castoff that had anything to do with NE.

What he accomplished in NE doesn't mean a damn thing unless he can reproduce some of that on his own without Belichick. So far he's produced nothing but hope and excuses for why his first season was a complete throw away evaluation year.

The one thing that Pioli clearly didn't learn from BB is that making change takes time an patience.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Then quit bitching about everything else



And there's the crux, and here's my answer:

NO, and piss on your head for asking.

Thx!

[Marcellus]

And there's the crux, and here's my answer:

NO, and piss on your head for asking.

Thx!

Fine. Just keep in mind, people who act like children typically are treated like children.

You were justifying your behavior, just realize the response to your behavior can also be justified. :shrug:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Fine. Just keep in mind, people who act like children typically are treated like children.

You were justifying your behavior, just realize the response to your behavior can also be justified. :shrug:

Fine. Now will you tell that scungilli-eating Waterboy to bring me a fresh G2 please?

Thx!