Bad Bear!

[Bwana]

And this is just one of many reasons I invested in my new S&W 500 a few weeks ago. I will be in the same area in two weeks.....Bad Bear!

http://www.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_21d02556-9a58-11df-b1f3-001cc4c03286.html

COOKE CITY, Montana — One man was killed in a bear attack early Wednesday at Soda Butte Campground east of this remote mountain town and two other campers at separate sites were injured in an unusual attack that has left even some veteran residents unsettled because of its ferocity.

“This is not typical bear behavior. It’s odd. It’s not normal,” said Ron Aasheim, Fish, Wildlife and Parks spokesman.

The Park County Coroner’s Office has not released the name of the fatally injured man, pending notification of family.

Campers Paige and Don Wilhelm, of Aledo, Texas, were camped in site No. 12 of the 10-acre campground when they heard a scream at about 1:30 a.m. At first, they thought it was just teenagers screwing around. They checked on their two boys, ages 12 and 9, and then tried to go back to sleep.

Then they heard another scream, this one closer.
“I heard somebody yell, ‘Stop! No!’ ” said Paige Wilhelm.
And then they heard the woman yell, “A bear’s attacked me!”
As they arose to dress, they heard a bear come by their tent, making a “huffing” sound.

They hustled their sons into their SUV and drove to the woman’s campsite, where they could see her lying in her sleeping bag, her arm bloodied.

Unsure if the animal was still in the area, they were afraid to get out and go to the woman, and their children pleaded with them to stay in the vehicle. They drove through the campground, honking their horn to scare the bear while trying to find help, they said.

That’s when they came across another victim, a young man, who’d been bitten in the calf and managed to scare the animal off by punching it in the head.

They finally found some people to help, including a woman in training to be a nurse who splinted the injured woman’s arm. She had suffered severe lacerations and crushed bones from bites on her arms.

The man killed was in campsite No. 22, about a quarter-mile west of where the other campers were attacked. He was camping alone.

The two injured victims initially were transported to the Super 8 Motel in Cooke City, where they were treated by the Cooke City Hasty Team, local emergency responders. One victim was taken by ambulance to Cody, Wyo. The second victim rode in a private vehicle to Cody. Both were treated and released.

Officials with Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks and the Park County Sheriff’s Office and rangers from Yellowstone National Park and the Gallatin National Forest were working to trap the bear or bears at the campground, which was closed to campers. Other nearby campgrounds, Chief Joseph and Colter, also were evacuated and closed.

Five culvert traps were set in the campground Wednesday, including two next to the dead camper’s damaged tent. From nearby Highway 212, only 150 yards from the camper’s site, a large hole could be seen torn in the brown tent’s side. One of the tent’s metal poles was bent. The tent’s rain fly was draped over one of the two culvert traps.

The campsite was only a short distance from the old Cooke City cemetery and Soda Butte Creek.

“Our hope is that (the bear) is in the area and will return this evening, and then we’ll have some answers as to why,” said Sam Sheppard, warden captain for FWP’s Bozeman office.

“The odds of the bear coming back to the campground are pretty good, I think,” he said.

Some details of the event were still sketchy Wednesday afternoon. It is unclear if the campers were attacked by a black bear or a grizzly or if more than one bear was involved. Bear hair samples were collected from the scene and were being analyzed at a lab in Wyoming to determine the animal’s sex and species.

If a bear is trapped, DNA samples will be collected to see if they match. If the DNA is a match, the bear will be killed.

Later Wednesday morning, FWP observers tried to pick up a bear collar signal from an airplane but were unsuccessful.

All three campsites where campers were attacked appeared clean, and there did not seem to be any food storage issues or anything else that might have attracted bears, Sheppard said.

Park County dispatchers were alerted to the rampage when a 911 call came in early Wednesday from a male reporting that a bear had bitten his ankle and was tearing up tents, Aasheim said. Dispatchers got two more calls, including one from a man who said a bear bit the leg of his daughter’s boyfriend.

At 3:50 a.m., park officials went through the campground to advise campers to get into their cars. A half-hour later, the dead male was discovered. It was not clear how many people were in the campground at the time.

Forest officials are considering a wider campground closure, depending on FWP’s recommendation.

A Cooke City women’s group, the Mountain Belles, helped displaced campers find new lodging until they could return to pick up their gear on Wednesday afternoon.

In July 2008, an Oregon motorcyclist was bitten on the hand by a bear in the same campground.

His tent was crushed and the bear returned later that morning, crushing another tent.

The Gallatin National Forest closed the Soda Butte and Chief Joseph campgrounds, and five days later, Montana Fish Wildlife and Parks trapped a young adult female grizzly at the site of the incident. That bear was sent to a research center in Washington State University.

[rockymtnchief]

I never sleep very well in a tent up there just for this reason.

[burt]

Frightening to say the least!

[RNR]

My idea of roughing it anymore is staying in a hotel that only has basic cable~

[Hydrae]

I heard about this and the tornado you guys had that killed someone and wondered what you were up to. :D

[BigOlChiefsfan]

My plan is to NOT become b'ar stool

[Dave Lane]

I never sleep very well in a tent up there just for this reason.

Great story to read with me headed to Colorado to tent camp in the mountains in a week :(

[Coach]

Yogi Bear needs his picnic basket, yo!
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[gblowfish]

Yogi Bear needs his picnic basket, yo!
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Police sketch of the alleged perpetrator:

[RJ]

A freaking serial killer, or at least he wants to be.

You're right, Bwana, that's a bad bear.

[Bwana]

I never sleep very well in a tent up there just for this reason.

Yeah, it was one pissed off bear. If I run into something like this, it will be a rug.

[FAX]

"All three campsites where campers were attacked appeared clean, and there did not seem to be any food storage issues or anything else that might have attracted bears, Sheppard said."

I wonder about this. Normally, a bear will be attracted to food or garbage. Although it happens, it's somewhat unusual for a bear to just attack a person for no reason. Crazy bear, maybe?

Or maybe somebody has been feeding bears. That's a possibility, I suppose.

FAX

[Bwana]

"All three campsites where campers were attacked appeared clean, and there did not seem to be any food storage issues or anything else that might have attracted bears, Sheppard said."

I wonder about this. Normally, a bear will be attracted to food or garbage. Although it happens, it's somewhat unusual for a bear to just attack a person for no reason. Crazy bear, maybe?

Or maybe somebody has been feeding bears. That's a possibility, I suppose.

FAX

About a week ago, the "Fun and Games" moved some problem bears in the area. It looks like it is the same bears. It also looks like they rounded them up.

Fish, Wildlife and Parks warden Captain Sam Sheppard said he’s confident that the bears responsible for the incidents have been captured.
“We set up tents as they were the night before and the bear that returned didn’t just sniff the tent, she destroyed it. We’re pretty confident we have the right bear,” he said.

Bear hair, saliva and tissue samples collected by investigators were sent to a DNA identification lab in Laramie, Wyo.
“We hope to have the DNA information Friday,” said Ron Aasheim, FWP spokesman in Helena.

Investigators also found a bear tooth fragment in a tent at the site. Sheppard said the 300- to 400-pound female grizzly has a chipped canine tooth that appears to match the fragment. Tent or sleeping bag fibers have also been found in the captured bears’ scat.
Aasheim said a team of grizzly bear experts will determine the ultimate fate of the bears.

“The protocols of the Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee will be followed,” he said.

[pr_capone]

In other news, there is a committee called the "Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee".

[FAX]

About a week ago, the "Fun and Games" moved some problem bears in the area. It looks like it is the same bears. It also looks like they rounded them up.

Fish, Wildlife and Parks warden Captain Sam Sheppard said he’s confident that the bears responsible for the incidents have been captured.
“We set up tents as they were the night before and the bear that returned didn’t just sniff the tent, she destroyed it. We’re pretty confident we have the right bear,” he said.

Bear hair, saliva and tissue samples collected by investigators were sent to a DNA identification lab in Laramie, Wyo.
“We hope to have the DNA information Friday,” said Ron Aasheim, FWP spokesman in Helena.

Investigators also found a bear tooth fragment in a tent at the site. Sheppard said the 300- to 400-pound female grizzly has a chipped canine tooth that appears to match the fragment. Tent or sleeping bag fibers have also been found in the captured bears’ scat.
Aasheim said a team of grizzly bear experts will determine the ultimate fate of the bears.

“The protocols of the Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee will be followed,” he said.

The last I heard, they had a practice of moving the bears up into the higher country in order to keep them away from the tourists and campers.

Has that changed, Mr. Bwana, or did I just dream that?

FAX

[Extra Point]

Oh, well. Wrong place, wrong time. Refuge for some, isn't one for all:

"Oh hey! I just love these things!
...Crunchy on the outside and a chewy center!"
Copyright Gary Larson, 1980. All rights reserved.

[Dartgod]

“The protocols of the Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee will be followed,” he said.
This would be the DGGBC (Dartgod Grizzly Bear Committee) protocol.

[KCHawg]

^ This!

[BigOlChiefsfan]

Three bears. First campsite must have been too hot, next too cold but that poor 3rd rascal was just right.

[FAX]

This would be the DGGBC (Dartgod Grizzly Bear Committee) protocol.

Problem with that solution is that (last I heard) you can be fined up to $50,000 for plugging a Grizzly - plus the permanent loss of your hunting license privileges.

I have a friend who is a guide working out of Cody. One night, he heard a bear outside a cabin where he and a group of tenderfeets were spending the night. It was raining and there was little or no moon. Anyway, he had a black bear stamp, so he took his gun outside to confront the bear. In the dark and rain, he thought it was a black bear and shot it. Nope. Wrong. Grizzly. Apparently, the rain had caused the Grizzly's coat to darken up a whole lot (something I'd never thought about much).

Anyhow, he spent the next two years fighting with the feds over the deal and finally got off, but it was a struggle. Otherwise, he was going to be fined a bear butt load of cash as well as his license. It's not as bad as it used to be because I think Grizzlies are no longer considered an "Endangered Species", but the fines are still in place so far as I am aware.

FAX

[Bwana]

The last I heard, they had a practice of moving the bears up into the higher country in order to keep them away from the tourists and campers.

Has that changed, Mr. Bwana, or did I just dream that?

FAX

They did move them in this case, but you can't get much higher than Cooke, so they just came back and raised hell. I'm sure I will get al lthe inside information from the locals and I park ranger I know when I'm up there, so I will let you know Mr. FAX.

[Bwana]

This would be the DGGBC (Dartgod Grizzly Bear Committee) protocol.

Yeah, likewise.

[alanm]

I would think that if they caught the bear that killed the camper their not going to relocate the bear. That bear going to be put down.

[Buehler445]

And this is just one of many reasons I invested in my new S&W 500 a few weeks ago.

Nicely done. http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_163501.jpg

Stay safe though, seriously.

[Fish]

Ninja vs. Grizzly Bear — this would be the coolest fight ever! (http://motorphilia.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/ninja-vs-grizzly-bear-this-would-be-the-coolest-fight-ever/)

<script type="text/javascript" src="http://s0.wp.com/wp-content/plugins/adverts/adsense.js?m=1276015856g&1"></script>So for months I’ve been pondering the question, “who would win in a fight? Ninja vs. Bear?”
So here’s what I’ve concluded . . . .
I’m going to side with the bear. . . he has incredible strength, amazing speed, 8″ claws, he’s very tough (hunters have been known to fire 20 to 30 high caliber rounds into these creatures and still not take them down), weighs about 8 times more than an adult male, can cover 100 yards in 7 seconds or less, he can climb trees, has phenomenal endurance, and he also has a very unpleasant temperament and finds people tasty.

The ninja does have a sword and some nasty little devices to aid him along with his speed, stealth, and deadly skill . . . but fact of the matter is that these devices are made for people who are a similar size to him . . . not large, powerful feral beasts who are 8 times his size.

The ninja would probably last a good while against the bear, but one good strike from the bear would be enough to end this man.

It’s very likely that this would happen too, because the ninja would be forced to fight a bear up close.

Given the bear’s thick fur, hide, and layers of insulating fat, our ninja’s throwing implements would do little more than just anger the beast – and really wouldn’t harm him.

The ninja would probably be able to evade the bear’s attacks for a brief amount of time, but he would eventually tire where the bear would more than likely sustain its energy for a longer period.
It’s unlikely that the ninja could use his stealth as an asset against the bear because the bear has a sense of smell that is 1000′s of times greater that a human, added to this advantage, he also has better hearing and sight as well.

The bear would know the ninja presence and position well before he could get close enough to land the already difficult lethal blow.

Nevertheless, the fight would be awesome . . . probably the coolest thing ever!
Well, it definitly wouldn’t suck.

[Saccopoo]

My idea of roughing it anymore is staying in a hotel that only has basic cable~

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[Bwana]

Ninja vs. Grizzly Bear — this would be the coolest fight ever! (http://motorphilia.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/ninja-vs-grizzly-bear-this-would-be-the-coolest-fight-ever/)

<SCRIPT type=text/javascript src="http://s0.wp.com/wp-content/plugins/adverts/adsense.js?m=1276015856g&1"></SCRIPT>So for months I’ve been pondering the question, “who would win in a fight? Ninja vs. Bear?”
So here’s what I’ve concluded . . . .
I’m going to side with the bear. . . he has incredible strength, amazing speed, 8″ claws, he’s very tough (hunters have been known to fire 20 to 30 high caliber rounds into these creatures and still not take them down), weighs about 8 times more than an adult male, can cover 100 yards in 7 seconds or less, he can climb trees, has phenomenal endurance, and he also has a very unpleasant temperament and finds people tasty.

The ninja does have a sword and some nasty little devices to aid him along with his speed, stealth, and deadly skill . . . but fact of the matter is that these devices are made for people who are a similar size to him . . . not large, powerful feral beasts who are 8 times his size.

The ninja would probably last a good while against the bear, but one good strike from the bear would be enough to end this man.

It’s very likely that this would happen too, because the ninja would be forced to fight a bear up close.

Given the bear’s thick fur, hide, and layers of insulating fat, our ninja’s throwing implements would do little more than just anger the beast – and really wouldn’t harm him.

The ninja would probably be able to evade the bear’s attacks for a brief amount of time, but he would eventually tire where the bear would more than likely sustain its energy for a longer period.
It’s unlikely that the ninja could use his stealth as an asset against the bear because the bear has a sense of smell that is 1000′s of times greater that a human, added to this advantage, he also has better hearing and sight as well.

The bear would know the ninja presence and position well before he could get close enough to land the already difficult lethal blow.

Nevertheless, the fight would be awesome . . . probably the coolest thing ever!
Well, it definitly wouldn’t suck.

Heh, now that's a reality TV show I would watch! ;) I'm with you, the ninja would be taking the dirt nap the majority of the time.

[Pennywise]

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I saw this the other day. Nice enough of him to take a shit in the front seat.

LMAO

[2112]

I saw a pic of Bwana on an atv in Montana with what looked like a sawed off shot gun. or Steve Mcqueen style pistol rifle. I'm assuming the S&W500 Gives you more flexibility without giving away fire power?

And I'm quite sure that any Grizzly Bear that sees Bwana will tuck tale and run the other way. he is a Montana backwoods legend. :evil:

[2112]

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/model500-bullets.jpg

LOL

[FAX]

I would think that if they caught the bear that killed the camper their not going to relocate the bear. That bear going to be put down.

I wasn't referring to that particular bear, Mr. alanm. I was talking about all bears. It is my understanding that, some time ago, the Forestry Service moved all the bears to high ground and, when they find a bear in lower terrain, they capture and relocate them. The practice was begun a long time ago in order to reduce the number of bear-related problems. Plus, people were feeding bears junk food and, due to the resulting insufficient nutrition intake, the bears were having difficulty making it through the hibernation season. Keeping the bears away from the tourists was deemed to be the best thing for both the tourists and the bears.

I was just curious if that policy was still in place.

FAX

[petegz28]

"All three campsites where campers were attacked appeared clean, and there did not seem to be any food storage issues or anything else that might have attracted bears, Sheppard said."

I wonder about this. Normally, a bear will be attracted to food or garbage. Although it happens, it's somewhat unusual for a bear to just attack a person for no reason. Crazy bear, maybe?

Or maybe somebody has been feeding bears. That's a possibility, I suppose.

FAX

It could have been a number of things. The guy may have had on deodorant. May not have changed his clothes before he went to sleep, may not have washed his hands and such real good, both of which would leave the scent of food on his body. But I have seen experiments where bears will attack a tent simply out of curiousity as well.

[petegz28]

Also I am curious if any of these campers had any sort of protection in the form of pepper spray or pepper bells? I am not syaing that would have worked but it wouldn't suprise me if there are more campers who go into the bear's territory unprepared to protect themselves? We are planning on a hiking trip sometime in the near future. My Wife thought is was a waste of money to buy bear spray and bells to wear and such. I don't have the arsenal of Bwana and I doubt my .40 is going to take down a bear. But I will at least have the large cannisters of bear spray. I isn't going down without a fight.

[seclark]

I saw this the other day. Nice enough of him to take a shit in the front seat.

LMAO

peanut butter does that to some of us.
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[Otter]

I'm not a big fan of tents in black bear territory let alone grizzly without a dog. It's gotta be like being attacked by Willie Roaf but right before he starts beating the living hell out of you jump into a big garbage bag so to top everything else off you can't see what's going on.

[petegz28]

I'm not a big fan of tents in black bear territory let alone grizzly without a dog. It's gotta be like being attacked by Willie Roaf but right before he starts beating the living hell out of you jump into a big garbage bag so to top everything else off you can't see what's going on.

Especially if you are alone. Then again, wouldn't a dog just be an inviting meal for other animals such as mountain lions and cougars???

[FAX]

It could have been a number of things. The guy may have had on deodorant. May not have changed his clothes before he went to sleep, may not have washed his hands and such real good, both of which would leave the scent of food on his body. But I have seen experiments where bears will attack a tent simply out of curiousity as well.

True. That's a possibility, although the smell of a human doesn't normally "attract" a bear. Of course, if the person smelled like bacon and eggs, that's another deal, entirely.

Unless the bear has learned to equate the scent of people with food. That can happen when idiots feed the bears. It's all just speculation, but this is strange bear behavior. There's something missing from this story, in my opinion.

FAX

[petegz28]

True. That's a possibility, although the smell of a human doesn't normally "attract" a bear. Of course, if the person smelled like bacon and eggs, that's another deal, entirely.

Unless the bear has learned to equate the scent of people with food. That can happen when idiots feed the bears. It's all just speculation, but this is strange bear behavior. There's something missing from this story, in my opinion.

FAX

And that may be. This may be a bear who was fed by humans when it was younger. You see that shit all the time. But if the dead camper cooked his dinner and didn't wash up and change the clothes he ate in then he was asking for a bear attack.

[petegz28]

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This is a classic case example of stupid campers. You go into the wilderness, the bear's territory and you are packing a pocket knife as your only defense. Fuckin' Canadians!!

[Otter]

Especially if you are alone. Then again, wouldn't a dog just be an inviting meal for other animals such as mountain lions and cougars???

A big German Shepperd or pretty much any dog outside of a 'yipper' will go ape shit at the site of a bear. It may be no match for the bear in a brawl but 9 out of 10 times it will scare them off or at the very least give you a warning.

When elk hunting you tie bells around the horses necks and when you hear the bells go nuts it's time to get up and start shooting or start running. It's all about being woken up before they have a chance to bite into you like an M&M wrapped in vinyl.

[Fish]

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This is a classic case example of stupid campers. You go into the wilderness, the bear's territory and you are packing a pocket knife as your only defense. Fuckin' Canadians!!

Well.... as long as you can outrun your wife, a pocket knife is all you'd need...

[rockymtnchief]

Also I am curious if any of these campers had any sort of protection in the form of pepper spray or pepper bells? I am not syaing that would have worked but it wouldn't suprise me if there are more campers who go into the bear's territory unprepared to protect themselves? We are planning on a hiking trip sometime in the near future. My Wife thought is was a waste of money to buy bear spray and bells to wear and such. I don't have the arsenal of Bwana and I doubt my .40 is going to take down a bear. But I will at least have the large cannisters of bear spray. I isn't going down without a fight.

I've used bear spray on a black bear and it worked. But he wasn't attacking me, he was in "Who blinks first" mode. I had nowhere to go so I blasted him.

[RJ]

In other news, there is a committee called the "Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee".


Not to be confused with the Interagency Black Bear Committee.

[FishingRod]

Also I am curious if any of these campers had any sort of protection in the form of pepper spray or pepper bells? I am not syaing that would have worked but it wouldn't suprise me if there are more campers who go into the bear's territory unprepared to protect themselves? We are planning on a hiking trip sometime in the near future. My Wife thought is was a waste of money to buy bear spray and bells to wear and such. I don't have the arsenal of Bwana and I doubt my .40 is going to take down a bear. But I will at least have the large cannisters of bear spray. I isn't going down without a fight.

Pepper?

[tonyetony]

Bears love people......they taste like chicken.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

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[FAX]

When you have pepper balls, bears are the least of your worries.

FAX

[orange]

Grizzly bear euthanized after triple mauling
By MATTHEW BROWN (AP) – 19 minutes ago

BILLINGS, Mont. — Wildlife officials said Friday a grizzly bear was euthanized after tests determined it was responsible for a triple mauling in a Montana campground.

Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks spokesman Ron Aasheim said DNA tests determined the sow killed a Michigan man and injured two others in unprovoked attacks in a campground overnight Wednesday.

The bear was euthanized after wildlife officials captured the sow and her three cubs at the Soda Butte Campground five miles from Yellowstone National Park.

Aasheim said the cubs will likely be placed in a zoo. Jackie Worstell, executive director of ZooMontana in Billings, said state officials have asked if her zoo could take the cubs.

A final decision was expected Friday or Saturday.

The capture of the bears brought relief among residents and visitors in Cooke City, an old mining town just outside Yellowstone National Park that was jolted by the Wednesday attacks on three people as they slept in separate tents.

Authorities said the bear family, under the tutelage of the mother, specifically targeted campers — a sharp departure from the usual behavior of grizzlies attacking only when threatened or surprised.

Evidence indicated all three cubs likely participated in what Warden Capt. Sam Sheppard called a sustained attack on Kevin Kammer of Grand Rapids, Mich. He was pulled from his tent and dragged 25 feet. At least one of the bears fed on his body.

Despite the unusual nature of the attacks, there also was a realization in Cooke City that bear run-ins would continue. Three million tourists a year visit the remote and wild Yellowstone region of Montana and Wyoming, which has an estimated 600 grizzlies.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[petegz28]

Grizzly bear euthanized after triple mauling
By MATTHEW BROWN (AP) – 19 minutes ago

BILLINGS, Mont. — Wildlife officials said Friday a grizzly bear was euthanized after tests determined it was responsible for a triple mauling in a Montana campground.

Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks spokesman Ron Aasheim said DNA tests determined the sow killed a Michigan man and injured two others in unprovoked attacks in a campground overnight Wednesday.

The bear was euthanized after wildlife officials captured the sow and her three cubs at the Soda Butte Campground five miles from Yellowstone National Park.

Aasheim said the cubs will likely be placed in a zoo. Jackie Worstell, executive director of ZooMontana in Billings, said state officials have asked if her zoo could take the cubs.

A final decision was expected Friday or Saturday.

The capture of the bears brought relief among residents and visitors in Cooke City, an old mining town just outside Yellowstone National Park that was jolted by the Wednesday attacks on three people as they slept in separate tents.

Authorities said the bear family, under the tutelage of the mother, specifically targeted campers — a sharp departure from the usual behavior of grizzlies attacking only when threatened or surprised.

Evidence indicated all three cubs likely participated in what Warden Capt. Sam Sheppard called a sustained attack on Kevin Kammer of Grand Rapids, Mich. He was pulled from his tent and dragged 25 feet. At least one of the bears fed on his body.

Despite the unusual nature of the attacks, there also was a realization in Cooke City that bear run-ins would continue. Three million tourists a year visit the remote and wild Yellowstone region of Montana and Wyoming, which has an estimated 600 grizzlies.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Ok, so let me get this straight...they killed a sow that had 3 cubs and called the attack unprovoked?? Perhaps the sow was in her own habitat and the 3 campers were in her territory and she was doing what she thought she had to do to defend her cubs??? Just a thought. It really irritates me that when people venture into the wild and are attacked by an animal we blame the animal and kill it. It's fucking stupid.

Like the saying goes, I think.....if you don't want to swim with the sharks, stay the **** out of the water.

[Fish]

She was probably teaching her cubs to hunt. Humans would be an easy target.

[petegz28]

She was probably teaching her cubs to hunt. Humans would be an easy target.

I would think more that she was wandering around with her cubs and picked up the scent of a perceived threat and went into protective mode. As I understand things, Mama Bear don't wait to see if you are a threat before she attacks when it comes to defending her cubs.

[Bwana]

Pepper?

ROFL

Rep

[petegz28]

Pepper?

My Wife's Cousin lived up in the mountains for a while. He said pepper bells were one of the best deterents for bears cause they just don't like the smell. I'm not saying that would deter a Mama from protecting here cubs.

[Bwana]

Ok, so let me get this straight...they killed a sow that had 3 cubs and called the attack unprovoked??

Dude, the people were sleeping in tents, in a camp ground, your damn right that was an UNPROVOKED ATTACK. :shake:

[Bwana]

She was probably teaching her cubs to hunt. Humans would be an easy target. That would be my first guess. Wolves do the same thing with sheep, or calves. Wolves with wipe out dozens of sheep and not eat any of them. You talk about a useless fuking animal.

[Bwana]

I would think more that she was wandering around with her cubs and picked up the scent of a perceived threat and went into protective mode. As I understand things, Mama Bear don't wait to see if you are a threat before she attacks when it comes to defending her cubs.

Dude, trust me, there is ZERO chance it went down that way........NONE.

[petegz28]

Dude, the people were sleeping in tents, in a camp ground, your damn right that was an UNPROVOKED ATTACK. :shake:

I don't see it that way. I see it as she smelled them and figured them as a threat. By going into an anaimal's territory I would guess you are provoking by doing that in and of itself to a certain degree. Humans around cubs, as harmelss as the humans may intend to be is still a provocation to a bear. You know that.

[petegz28]

Dude, trust me, there is ZERO chance it went down that way........NONE.

Why is that? Just curious. I don't pretend to know more about it than you, just want to understand.

[Bwana]

Oh and Pete, I would get the bear spray. It works well in MOST cases. If the wind is blowing directly at you however, not so much. I carry a can on he front of my ATV. 70% of the time I would let that rip first to avoid giving the bear a dirt nap, as I said, It would depend on the wind and how I looked at the threat. As far as shooting a grizzly with a .40, I would also stay away from that move, you would be much better off with the spray..

[Bwana]

I don't see it that way. I see it as she smelled them and figured them as a threat. By going into an anaimal's territory I would guess you are provoking by doing that in and of itself to a certain degree. Humans around cubs, as harmelss as the humans may intend to be is still a provocation to a bear. You know that.

ROFL

Dude, don't take this the wrong way, but you don't know shit about bears. I have been around them all my life and have run into them several times. I worked in COOKE CITY for a full summer and ran into them all the time.

They don't preceive sleeping humans as a threat. If you run into one and surprise it on the trail, yes, if you get between a mother and its cubs on a trail yes, but sleeping in a tent won't raise their hair. Every once in awhile, you get one that gets a taste for humans, that's what likely happened in this case. The only other thing that makes any sense, is she was trying to teach her cubs how to kill and she want ape shit on three different tents.

This is why I carry a 500 Smith when I'm up there fly fishing and riding my ATV. 99% of the time, you will be ok, but 1% of the time, you will get eaten if you are not ready.

[petegz28]

ROFL

Dude, don't take this the wrong way, but you don't know shit about bears. I have been around them all my life and have run into them several times. I worked in COOKE CITY for a full summer and ran into them all the time.

They don't preceive sleeping humans as a threat. If you run into one and surprise it on the trail, yes, if you get between a mother and its cubs on a trail yes, but sleeping in a tent won't raise their hair. Every once in awhile, you get one that gets a taste for humans, that's what likely happened in this case. The only other thing that makes any sense, is she was trying to teach her cubs how to kill and she want ape shit on three different tents.

This is why I carry a 500 Smith when I'm up there fly fishing and riding my ATV. 99% of the time, you will be ok, but 1% of the time, you will get eaten if you are not ready.

Fair enough. But she did what bears do. It's unfortunate it happened to humans. But then again, when you go into their territory you become prey as well as predator. That's just how I sees it I guess.

[Bwana]

Fair enough. But she did what bears do. It's unfortunate it happened to humans. But then again, when you go into their territory you become prey as well as predator. That's just how I sees it I guess.

She did what bears can do, but normally bears don't walk into camping grounds, pull people out tents and munch on them, trust me on that one bud.

I do agree with you 100% on the "if you go into a bears territory, you can indeed become prey." If you don't go "armed for bear" you can indeed become part of the menu and end up as bear scat. (See the poor bastard from Michigan as example A.)

[rockymtnchief]

FYI...I can't find an argument with Bwanas posts. I think he explained everything to a T.

Sows with cubs, generally, look at this type of campground to scavenge or to stay away from. Not to hunt.

One thing I'd like to add, if you go back country, don't spray your camp with your bear spray. It only works to spray them directly. Spraying your tent, gear, etc... only makes them more curious what the smell is. Save it for confrontations.

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[petegz28]

FYI...I can't find an argument with Bwanas posts. I think he explained everything to a T.

Sows with cubs, generally, look at this type of campground to scavenge or to stay away from. Not to hunt.

One thing I'd like to add, if you go back country, don't spray your camp with your bear spray. It only works to spray them directly. Spraying your tent, gear, etc... only makes them more curious what the smell is. Save it for confrontations.

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All I know is that if I ever do any tent time in bear country I am going to sleep with bear spray in one hand and a hatchet in the other. Unless I go all
Bwana and by a .500. :D

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Next time my wife tells me she wants to be eatin , I'm taking her to bear country.

[Johnny Vegas]

well first thing about killing a grizzly bear is you can't shoot it unless your arm is in its mouth over self defense or its a federal crime. Only thing to use between you and a bear would be bear spray. Its fucked up but its the law.

second thing is I'm going to Cooke City Monday to do some roofing and since 1996 when my parents bought the Soda Butte Lodge we've have multiple run ins with black bears, but not one grizzly. I gotta say its pretty damn rare for a bear to attack and correct me if I'm wrong, but there are more shark attacks every year than there are bear attacks. So its more safe than you think it is to camp out in a place like that.

[Bwana]

well first thing about killing a grizzly bear is you can't shoot it unless your arm is in its mouth over self defense or its a federal crime. Only thing to use between you and a bear would be bear spray. Its ****ed up but its the law.

second thing is I'm going to Cooke City Monday to do some roofing and since 1996 when my parents bought the Soda Butte Lodge we've have multiple run ins with black bears, but not one grizzly. I gotta say its pretty damn rare for a bear to attack and correct me if I'm wrong, but there are more shark attacks every year than there are bear attacks. So its more safe than you think it is to camp out in a place like that.

Exactly, this was a freak deal.

On a side note, I will be in Cooke the 12th,13th,14th, and 15th, are you going to be around?

[Bwana]

Jesus, what the hell is up with bears these days??

Bears attracted to paintball course

http://www.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_ee5dc64e-9c35-11df-8d13-001cc4c002e0.html

Note to anyone playing paintball in bear country: turns out the smell of all those disintegrating balls can be a bear attractant.

Big Sky Resort found out in mid-July after black bears, including a sow with cubs, showed a fondness for its newly opened paintball course set up on the side of its ski hill this summer. The course was quickly shut down and the resort’s management is considering its options.

“Once we noticed the issue, we reacted to suspend paintball until we can find a material that won’t have an impact,” said Dax Schieffer, Big Sky marketing director. “The goal is to find a product to get us up and operating.”

Big Sky is located in prime bear country, surrounded by the Gallatin National Forest, is adjacent to the Lee Metcalf Wilderness and not far north of Yellowstone National Park. So bears, both black and grizzly, are often seen moving or feeding in the area.


FWP investigates


Big Sky contacted the Bozeman office of Fish, Wildlife and Parks to let them know about the situation. Kevin Frey, a bear management specialist for FWP, went to check out the situation. As he was surveying the site, he saw a sow black bear snoozing in the shade.

“Big Sky didn’t do anything wrong,” Frey said. “Unsolicited, they shut the course down.”

He said it was a surprise to him that the bears were so attracted to the smell of the shattered paintballs. But he said bears, because they have such an acute sense of smell, are often drawn to petroleum-based odors from nonfood items such as oil-based house stains and even motor oil.

“Bears are inherently attracted to petroleum products,” Frey said. “The aroma is a curiosity thing.”


Palatable paint


The bears were even eating paintballs that hadn’t been broken. When Frey looked into the balls’ ingredients, he found a type of antifreeze that, if consumed in large enough quantities, could harm animals. As a diuretic, it pulls water from cells.
Schieffer said Big Sky went out of its way to find paintballs that would have the most minimal environmental effects.

“As it turns out, those gelatin capsules have vegetable oil that is serving as a smell attraction to wildlife,” he said. “For our resort, safety is first. We want to make certain we have practices that support that.”

The game involves shooting gelatin capsules filled with brightly colored paint from a gun. The balls break when they hit an object, splattering it with paint. The paintball is propelled by a canister of compressed CO2. Played in teams, the game involves hitting an opponent, who is then out. The last man who has not been hit wins. There are other forms of the game, as well.

Hundreds of paintballs may be fired during a game.
The mountain started the paintball course as a way to entertain summer guests and for corporate retreats as a team-building exercise. The resort’s management has also set up a ropes course, zipline, bungee trampoline and climbing wall, which are proving popular.

Now that Big Sky has suspended paintballing, the bears have wandered off to investigate other smells and the mountain’s management is trying to think up other ways to reinstate its popular paintball activity.

[Johnny Vegas]

Exactly, this was a freak deal.

On a side note, I will be in Cooke the 12th,13th,14th, and 15th, are you going to be around?

I don't think I'll be there for longer than a week. Never know tho, you know how the weather can get up there and we're roofing the Lodge so give a few more days past a week. lol

You camping or plan on stayin in a room?

[Bwana]

I don't think I'll be there for longer than a week. Never know tho, you know how the weather can get up there and we're roofing the Lodge so give a few more days past a week. lol

You camping or plan on stayin in a room?

When I hunt, I use a big wall tent with a stove for elk camp, but for one of these deals, (ATV trip) I get a room.

It was my bros year to pay for the rooms and beer, so he booked us at the 8. I hope you're still around, I'll buy you a couple of tasty beers. I will also be bring the S&W 500, so you are welcome to touch off a few rounds with that as well. Either way, we will be into your folks bar to put away some brews. :thumb:

[Otter]

When I hunt, I use a big wall tent with a stove for elk camp, but for one of these deals, (ATV trip) I get a room.

It was my bros year to pay for the rooms and beer, so he booked us at the 8. I hope you're still around, I'll buy you a couple of tasty beers. I will also be bring the S&W 500, so you are welcome to touch off a few rounds with that as well. Either way, we will be into your folks bar to put away some brews. :thumb:

Don't forget that trick I taught ya about the bells around the horses neck to alert ya if a bear comes within a coon dogs smelling distance.

First time I took Bwana elk hunting when he was in York - what a noob and now look at ya.

:D

[Bwana]

Don't forget that trick I taught ya about the bells around the horses neck to alert ya if a bear comes within a coon dogs smelling distance.

First time I took Bwana elk hunting when he was in York - what a noob and now look at ya.

:D

Joe, Joe Joe....

ROFL

[rockymtnchief]

Don't forget that trick I taught ya about the bells around the horses neck to alert ya if a bear comes within a coon dogs smelling distance.

First time I took Bwana elk hunting when he was in York - what a noob and now look at ya.

:D

Doesn't it bring a tear to your eye? I remember when I bought the little fella his first Daisy Red Rider BB gun. Now he's all growed up and shooting cannons.:D

[Johnny Vegas]

When I hunt, I use a big wall tent with a stove for elk camp, but for one of these deals, (ATV trip) I get a room.

It was my bros year to pay for the rooms and beer, so he booked us at the 8. I hope you're still around, I'll buy you a couple of tasty beers. I will also be bring the S&W 500, so you are welcome to touch off a few rounds with that as well. Either way, we will be into your folks bar to put away some brews. :thumb:

I just remembered I got tix to the Blues Fest in Billings and thats the 13th&14th so I will be gone by then. Poppin my S&W 500 cherry would be the best summer evar! lol

Lots of stuff has changed with the lodgeincluding our chef. Got a good one and we're tough competition for the Grizzly Diner. lol Never thought I'd see the day. I convinced my folks to add the Juicy Lucy burger and its going to be called the Old Faithful burger. I DO recommend you get our prime rib if your super hungry. I don't know if ya ate at our place yet so just throwin that out there. lol

I just got a call I don't have to be there monday so I might just be there long enough when you show up. I'll keep in touch.

[Bwana]

I just got a call I don't have to be there monday so I might just be there long enough when you show up. I'll keep in touch.

I hope it works out that way. I'll bag an extra box or two for the .500, just in case. ;) It's not like they won't be put to use either way.

Let me know........

[BigOlChiefsfan]

Speaking of that - Got a flyer today, I see that Cabela's has Magtech S&W 500 on sale, $42/box if that'll help. (Cannonballs be all spendy and shiznit)

[Bwana]

Speaking of that - Got a flyer today, I see that Cabela's has Magtech S&W 500 on sale, $42/box if that'll help. (Cannonballs be all spendy and shiznit)

Thanks partner, I'm all over that. rep

[Bwana]

Don't forget that trick I taught ya about the bells around the horses neck to alert ya if a bear comes within a coon dogs smelling distance.

First time I took Bwana elk hunting when he was in York - what a noob and now look at ya.

:D

Oh, and you forgot the last part about attaching bells to your apple bag, if you have to ease out of the tent to unload your water cannon in the middle of the night after sucking down a bottle of Old Crow. :hmmm:

[Tribal Warfare]

Especially if you are alone. Then again, wouldn't a dog just be an inviting meal for other animals such as mountain lions and cougars???

depending what type of dog you have, for example an Anatolian were breed to fuck up cougars

[Bwana]

depending what type of dog you have, for example an Anatolian were breed to **** up cougars

In general, it's a bad idea. The dog will go after the bear, the bear will turn on the dog and guess where the dog runs.....

[Tribal Warfare]

In general, it's a bad idea. The dog will go after the bear, the bear will turn on the dog and guess where the dog runs.....

When I say An Anatolian I should've inferred that during when the breed came to age they used multiple shepherds ranging from 3 to 4 to guard livestock. In general those dogs are a first alarm, to give a person enough time to grab their weapon to kill the said animal

[Bwana]

When I say An Anatolian I should've inferred that during when the breed came to age they used multiple shepherds ranging from 3 to 4 to guard livestock. In general those dogs are a first alarm, to give a person enough time to grab their weapon to kill the said animal

Awww, got it. They orignated in Turkey didn't they?

[Tribal Warfare]

Awww, got it. They orignated in Turkey didn't they?

correct

[Bwana]

The report is in on the bear attacks. I was up there Thursday, Friday Saturday and part of Sunday of last week and didn't run into any bears. The camp ground is still closed, but I was within 25 feet of the attack site, while visiting some people doing some work on a gold tailings pile. Complete report below:

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/SodaButteCampgroundAttacksInvestigationTeamReport.pdf

[rockymtnchief]

The report is in on the bear attacks. I was up there Thursday, Friday Saturday and part of Sunday of last week and didn't run into any bears. The camp ground is still closed, but I was within 25 feet of the attack site, while visiting some people doing some work on a gold tailings pile. Complete report below:

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/SodaButteCampgroundAttacksInvestigationTeamReport.pdf

:shake:
So much for "playing dead" around grizzlies. I didn't realize the bear had "consumed" the poor bastard.

[Bwana]

:shake:
So much for "playing dead" around grizzlies. I didn't realize the bear had "consumed" the poor bastard.

Yeah, I talked to a guy I know up there the next day and he told me about that.

On a side note, I ran 80 rounds through my S&W .500 when I was up there. The rounds were going through a 20 inch tree and still moving. Bad to the bone. A bear wouldn't stand a chance.

[rockymtnchief]

Hmmmmm...I got some gophers if you want to shoot at live targets!:D

[Bwana]

Hmmmmm...I got some gophers if you want to shoot at live targets!:D

:evil:

[Rain Man]

:shake:
So much for "playing dead" around grizzlies. I didn't realize the bear had "consumed" the poor bastard.


Best playing dead act ever.

[Goldmember]

Why in the hell didn't the woman's husband help her? (Mr. Freele who was 13 yards away in his own tent) Probably ran screaming like a little girl.

[Bwana]

Why in the hell didn't the woman's husband help her? (Mr. Freele who was 13 yards away in his own tent) Probably ran screaming like a little girl.

There was a lot of WTF's in that story, when it all came to light today. For one thing, it turns out that NONE of them were armed. Dipshit tourists, you're in the heart of grizzly country. If one decides it wants to eat you, you're hosed without something to cause some serious damage. :shake:

[Otter]

Gotta disagree with you on one point Bwana - having a big ol German Sheppard tied (being tied in a radius to the tent is key) I think will help keep a bear away and give you a better chance of waking up and the bear moving on to an easier target.

Even a grizzly bear will think twice about approaching a German Sheppard or any other big dog going ape shit. Not many animals on two legs or four are a match for a grizzly bear but the noise and commotion will keep them away most of the time I would guess.

I don't have anywhere near the grizzly experience you do but it just seems like it would be the difference of an easy kill and thinking twice before going after the tent where there's a dog making all kinds of noise.

I can see how a free roaming dog has the potential to cause more harm than good however.

Read that report you posted by game commission, that's rough. Wow.

[listopencil]

Ninja vs. Grizzly Bear — this would be the coolest fight ever! (http://motorphilia.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/ninja-vs-grizzly-bear-this-would-be-the-coolest-fight-ever/)

<script type="text/javascript" src="http://s0.wp.com/wp-content/plugins/adverts/adsense.js?m=1276015856g&1"></script>So for months I’ve been pondering the question, “who would win in a fight? Ninja vs. Bear?”
So here’s what I’ve concluded . . . .
I’m going to side with the bear. . . he has incredible strength, amazing speed, 8″ claws, he’s very tough (hunters have been known to fire 20 to 30 high caliber rounds into these creatures and still not take them down), weighs about 8 times more than an adult male, can cover 100 yards in 7 seconds or less, he can climb trees, has phenomenal endurance, and he also has a very unpleasant temperament and finds people tasty.



Can he play DT?

[Bwana]

Gotta disagree with you on one point Bwana - having a big ol German Sheppard tied (being tied in a radius to the tent is key) I think will help keep a bear away and give you a better chance of waking up and the bear moving on to an easier target.

Even a grizzly bear will think twice about approaching a German Sheppard or any other big dog going ape shit. Not many animals on two legs or four are a match for a grizzly bear but the noise and commotion will keep them away most of the time I would guess.

I don't have anywhere near the grizzly experience you do but it just seems like it would be the difference of an easy kill and thinking twice before going after the tent where there's a dog making all kinds of noise.

I can see how a free roaming dog has the potential to cause more harm than good however.

Read that report you posted by game commission, that's rough. Wow.

I could see it working out either way. Either the bear would run, or the thing would swat the dog into a fast dirt nap. The power of a bear is crazy and this one was a small bear.

[Goldmember]

There was a lot of WTF's in that story, when it all came to light today. For one thing, it turns out that NONE of them were armed. Dipshit tourists, you're in the heart of grizzly country. If one decides it wants to eat you, you're hosed without something to cause some serious damage. :shake:

A gun would not have helped that woman because she had pepper spray but couldn't reach it. I've heard pepper spray works better than a gun because if you don't kill the bear he'll just get more pissed off. Some people freeze up in those situations and it's easier to shoot pepper spray than to be accurate with a gun.

[Bwana]

A gun would not have helped that woman because she had pepper spray but couldn't reach it. I've heard pepper spray works better than a gun because if you don't kill the bear he'll just get more pissed off. Some people freeze up in those situations and it's easier to shoot pepper spray than to be accurate with a gun.

It depends on where the gun is. When I'm In a tent on a horse pack trip in that area, I sleep with the gun "on." Even if the hairy bastard drags you out of the tent, you still have your gun. The lady had spray, but it was across the tent. (WTF was she thinking there?) As far as a gun not killing a bear, I pack a Smith and Wesson .500 and load it with Double tap 400 grain hard cast rounds. People in Africa use the same gun and round on rhino hunts and drop them with one shot. If it will take out a rhino, a bear is toast.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764947_-1_757771_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y


http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/163501_01_lg.jpg

[Goldmember]

It depends on where the gun is. When I'm In a tent on a horse pack trip in that area, I sleep with the gun "on." Even if the hairy bastard drags you out of the tent, you still have your gun. The lady had spray, but it was across the tent. (WTF was she thinking there?) As far as a gun not killing a bear, I pack a Smith and Wesson .500 and load it with Double tap 400 grain hard cast rounds. People in Africa use the same gun and round on rhino hunts and drop them with one shot. If it will take out a rhino, a bear is toast.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764947_-1_757771_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y



http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/zoom_lg/163501_01_lg.jpg

Very nice! Obviously you have experience with weapons, however, most people do not. Maybe they should sleep in a camper trailer.

[Fish]

Very nice! Obviously you have experience with weapons, however, most people do not. Maybe they should sleep in a camper trailer.

Yeah... make the bear earn the meal.... like getting that wrapper off a piece of taffy when it's a little warm...

[Bwana]

Yeah... make the bear earn the meal.... like getting that wrapper off a piece of taffy when it's a little warm...

LMAO

[Bwana]

Very nice! Obviously you have experience with weapons, however, most people do not. Maybe they should sleep in a camper trailer.

In that area, not a bad idea.

[MahiMike]

Bear PMS is da shitz

[Bwana]

Bear PMS is da shitz

Indeed

[Otter]

I could see it working out either way. Either the bear would run, or the thing would swat the dog into a fast dirt nap. The power of a bear is crazy and this one was a small bear.

Yeah, maybe I'm comparing them to black bears a bit too much. Black bears are like raccoons as far as curious and bravery. Grizzlys are a it more bolder and braver.

I'll take the German Sheppard and the 454 with a shovel to bury either the dog or the bear with when it's over.

:D

[Bwana]

Yeah, maybe I'm comparing them to black bears a bit too much. Black bears are like raccoons as far as curious and bravery. Grizzlys are a it more bolder and braver.

I'll take the German Sheppard and the 454 with a shovel to bury either the dog or the bear with when it's over.

:D

The 454 is a pellet gun J-man. I now own a .500 Smith and Wesson as does Bruce as of Yesterday. :evil: He shot mine at Cooke and watched every shot go through a 20 inch log and went out and go one. Here bear.........

[Otter]

The 454 is a pellet gun J-man. I now own a .500 Smith and Wesson as does Bruce as of Yesterday. :evil: He shot mine at Cooke and watched every shot go through a 20 inch log and went out and go one. Here bear.........

That's saying something. Wow.

Since we're on the subject; what does "double tap" mean in a load?

[Bwana]

That's saying something. Wow.

Since we're on the subject; what does "double tap" mean in a load?

It's a brand. They make 'Hot loads."

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php

I use the 400 grain hard cast for bears:


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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>A very hard-hitting hardcast loading for your .500 S&W! This Wide Flat Nose Gas Checked Hardcast bullet is made to hold its cutting shape while smashing bone and creating a large wound channel, making it a top choice for big game and North American dangerous game.

Caliber : .500 S&W Magnum

Bullet : 400gr. WFNGC Hardcast

Ballistics : 1800fps - 2878 ft./lbs. - 8.375" bbl.

Box of 20rds.



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[BigOlChiefsfan]

When shooting assorted bad guys, the big boys say to shoot a hollowpoint that opens up and dumps all it's kinetic energy in yon goblins chest or brainpan and stops there. Don't want your .45 slug going thru & poking a hole in Grandma next door. The hollowpoint in a vital area usually sends your 150-200 lb goblin to the happy hunting ground. But when shooting your 200-900 lb bear (or charging buffalo) you want to shoot 'solids', hardcast slugs that poke a hole all the way thru br'er Bruin. Big, wide slugs poke large holes that go from end to end breaking bones, tearing up organs and opening blood vessels galore and generally effing up the system. This is likely to send br'er Bruin to meet his cavebear ancestors. But no guarantee. Bears be all badass up in their flippity floppity floop.

[Otter]

It't a brand. The make 'Hot loads."

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php

I use the 400 grain hard cast for bears:


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</td></tr></tbody></table>A very hard-hitting hardcast loading for your .500 S&W! This Wide Flat Nose Gas Checked Hardcast bullet is made to hold its cutting shape while smashing bone and creating a large wound channel, making it a top choice for big game and North American dangerous game.

Caliber : .500 S&W Magnum

Bullet : 400gr. WFNGC Hardcast

Ballistics : 1800fps - 2878 ft./lbs. - 8.375" bbl.

Box of 20rds.


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So it basically means it's a heavy load. It sounded like a technical term that had something to do with the bullet engineering, it's the geek in me that makes me think these things.

I walk a fine line between the ultra-cool badass that you know and tech savvy guy that the much of the world knows me as Bwana. It's like being Bruce Banner from "The Incredible Hulk". It's not easy sometimes.

[gblowfish]

Sometimes the bear gets you!
http://tinyurl.com/33f8p3d
Ohio bear owned by PETA foe kills its caretaker
AP

COLUMBIA STATION, Ohio – A bear fatally mauled its caretaker during a feeding on property holding dozens of other exotic pets owned by a man who drew the wrath of activists — and lost his license to exhibit — after offering people the chance to wrestle bears at a Cleveland expo.

The bear in the attack southwest of Cleveland was not one that owner Sam Mazzola had used for wrestling, officials said. His license to show animals had been revoked, but he apparently was still allowed to keep them on his property, which housed a menagerie including several bears, 20 wolves, tigers and lions.

A rescue squad took Mazzola to a hospital Thursday night with an unspecified medical problem that Lorain County Sheriff's Capt. James Drozdowski said was not from any injury. Mazzola, who had filed for bankruptcy this year, returned to his home around noon Friday and did not comment.

The 24-year-old caretaker, Brent Kandra, of Elyria, died Friday morning at MetroHealth Medical Center, the coroner's office in Cleveland said. He had been taken by medical helicopter after the Thursday evening attack in Columbia Township.

The bear was out of its cage for its feeding, "which was normal for this particular bear because the caretaker and the owner had been around it so much," Drozdowski said. Mazzola was able to get the bear back in its cage by using a fire extinguisher.

"We don't know whether something startled the bear or what prompted the bear to get aggressive with the caretaker," Drozdowski said. "We do know that it got aggressive with the caretaker and mauled him severely."

There are no plans to euthanize the bear, Drozdowski said. Authorities will investigate before deciding on any criminal charges.

Kandra was an experienced worker who helped Mazzola maintain the compound, the owner's attorney, John Frenden, said Friday. He released a brief statement from friends of the two saying the caretaker had worked for Mazzola for more than six years.

Kandra "was trained to handle these animals, and he has done so with love and affection," the statement said. "Our family and friends' hearts and prayers go out to Brent's family and loved ones. He will be missed by all who knew him, and especially the animals he cared for."

The property held about seven to nine bears and 20 wolves, and possibly a lion and three or four tigers, Drozdowski said.

Mazzola said in a bankruptcy filing in May in federal court in Cleveland that he owned two white tigers, two Bengal tigers, an African lion, eight bears and 12 wolves. The filing also listed "Ceasar the Wrestling Bear" as a trademark Mazzola held.

Mazzola's street divides Cleveland's outer suburbs from rural Lorain County, with an upscale development on the suburban side and older, widely separated homes on the other. His gate was closed Friday with a no-trespassing sign posted, and sheriff's deputies were posted nearby.

Raymond O'Leary, a retired Cleveland police officer who lives in the development, said it was like living "next to the zoo." He said it was worrisome knowing there were exotic animals in the neighborhood.

"It's a concern to all of us," said O'Leary, 76. "We can hear the animals in the evening, at feeding time, roaring over there."

When he moved into the area two years ago, he said, a neighbor showed him a video of a tiger loose on their street. "They caught the tiger" without incident, O'Leary said.

Mazzola used to offer people the chance to pay to wrestle a black bear at the annual Cleveland Sport, Travel & Outdoor Show. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, based in Norfolk, Va., four years ago made Mazzola a focus of its national efforts to ban bear wrestling and demanded that the U.S. Department of Agriculture take away his license to exhibit exotic animals.

Mazzola had permits to keep the bear and other animals on his property, Drozdowski said, but apparently didn't have a license to show them and had prior convictions for illegally transporting and selling animals.

He pleaded guilty in September 2009 in federal court to taking a black bear to Toledo without a license, records show. He also pleaded guilty to selling a skunk without a license at a pet store he operated and trying to sell another skunk.

The complaint said he hadn't had the right license since 2006. He was sentenced to three years' probation and ordered to perform 250 hours of community service.

Messages were left Friday for U.S. Agriculture Department officials and for PETA.

Bear attacks in the wild have already killed at least two people this year. A 6-year-old girl from northern Ohio was killed in April by a black bear while visiting the Cherokee National Forest in Tennessee. A grizzly bear mauled three campers in Montana in late July, leaving one man dead and two people with serious injuries.