2nd Team Secondary looked awful

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Washington has no awareness on the field, and Bates and Daniels got repeatedly beaten all night.

Morgan got torched on a seam route when he had to guard a slot receiver, but he at least made a number of tackles and was around the ball later in the game.

We still don't have a legit nickel or 4th corner.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah but since the Chiefs beat the "Packers", they're going to win on Monday Night!

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Does this include Lewis or Arenas? Didn't watch it

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Yeah but since the Chiefs beat the "Packers", they're going to win on Monday Night!

Link?

[Mecca]

Everything that Arenas is as a return man, he's not as a CB.

[Titty Meat]

Morgan was awful that guy has no business making the team. This team doesn't have a 3rd CB either and Cassel was less than impressive.

[Titty Meat]

Everything that Arenas is as a return man, he's not as a CB.

Thank you for seeing this. He got beat in the end zone that should have been a touchdown and I love how he's such a great blitzer he's gotten destoryed everytime he's blitzed this preseason.

[Titty Meat]

And if Barry Richardson isn't the right tackle this year I seriously question Haleys talent evaluation.

[DaneMcCloud]

And if Barry Richardson isn't the right tackle this year I seriously question Haleys talent evaluation.

I haven't seen the game yet but was Richardson competent?

I know that Green Bay sat its "star" defensive players, so it's not a true test.

But if he looked good, that's a step in the right direction.

[BWillie]

That Leggett injury is going to bite us in the ass.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

B-Rich was very good. He kicked serious ass in the run game.

And although Morgan wasn't super impressive, he played better than the other scrubs. He made one mistake. Bates and Price were fucking horrible.

Lewis was the only backup safety or corner who played well, but he should start over McGraw, anyway.

[beer bacon]

Frankly, I am very angry after tonight's game. Sure our first teamers looked great, but our 6th string CB played like shit.

[Titty Meat]

I haven't seen the game yet but was Richardson competent?

I know that Green Bay sat its "star" defensive players, so it's not a true test.

But if he looked good, that's a step in the right direction.

I didn't see him have any noticable fuckups.

[DaneMcCloud]

That Leggett injury is going to bite us in the ass.

That's two years in a row, isn't it?

[Mecca]

B-Rich was very good. He kicked serious ass in the run game.

And although Morgan wasn't super impressive, he played better than the other scrubs. He made one mistake. Bates and Price were fucking horrible.

Watch as he doesn't make the team since for some reason Jon McGraw has to be on the team.

[Titty Meat]

Personally i'd rather see Langford in ahead of Morgan that guy has left plenty of plays on the field. The starters should be Lewis/Berry.

[-King-]

B-Rich was very good. He kicked serious ass in the run game.

And although Morgan wasn't super impressive, he played better than the other scrubs. He made one mistake. Bates and Price were fucking horrible.

Lewis was the only backup safety or corner who played well, but he should start over McGraw, anyway.

Morgan sucks. He is #38 right? His ball awareness fucking sucks. He was always far from where the play was. Even McGraw plays better than he does.

[Tylerthigpen!1!]

Hmmm wasn't CP begging for Morgan to start last year?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Morgan sucks. He is #38 right? His ball awareness fucking sucks. He was always far from where the play was. Even McGraw plays better than he does.

That's b/c they were playing cover 2 and he had the left side of the field.

If he was that far away from where the ball was, he wouldn't have been in on so many tackles from the safety spot.

Langford and Price were the worst of the worst at the safety spot.

[Silock]

Oh well. They shouldn't be getting a ton of snaps, anyway.

[RealSNR]

The really shitty part?

We're going to continue to waste draft picks on the CB position.

LBs are looking good despite no talent whatsoever at the position. We need some upgrades there, NT (obviously) and then throughout the offensive line (both tackles and center). With another offseason we can get all these addressed. If we continue to draft TEs and CBs, then we're going to continue mediocrity.

[Mecca]

We'll also draft 15 more TE's.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

We need another CB, no doubt, and this thread wasn't meant to be a bitchfest, but rather just expressing a bit of fear over how thin the "strong" part of our defense is.

[Tylerthigpen!1!]

We'll also draft 15 more TE's.

Uh Pioli has drafted 2. One was worth two seventh round picks. How many 7th round picks pan out? I have no problem with the Moeaki pick. If not for the injury issues he would have been drafted before the 3rd round. Could we have used that pick on a lineman? Sure. But linemen aren't special. You can draft essentially the same one every year. A playmaking TE is harder to find in the 3d round than a frickin o lineman. This rebuilding project is going to take time.

[Mecca]

Uh it's a remark because NE has drafted an over abundance of TE's.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Jimmy Graham has gotten really good reviews in NO.

[Tylerthigpen!1!]

Uh it's a remark because NE has drafted an over abundance of TE's.

Well they are in a little different position than the Chiefs, aren't they?

[Priest31kc]

lol Arenas is already pronounced a shitty nickel after 4 preseason games. He's a rookie. 4 preseason games. Rookie. Unbelievable. How bout you give him ya know a regular season game or 2. Or maybe a season. Since he's a rookie.

But yeah the backup secondary struggled tonight.

[Titty Meat]

Cool they'll draft Amakamaru or Peterson and play Carr where he belongs.

[Titty Meat]

lol Arenas is already pronounced a shitty nickel after 4 preseason games. He's a rookie. 4 preseason games. Rookie. Unbelievable. How bout you give him ya know a regular season game or 2. Or maybe a season. Since he's a rookie.

Because he's shown the same shit since college. He has horrible closing speed and always will. He's small those blitzes might have worked in college they don't in the NFL because of his size and lack of speed.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Carr is a legit starting CB. He's the least of our problems.

[Priest31kc]

Carr is a legit starting CB. He's the least of our problems.

Totally agree. Never understand the hate on Carr. Carr>any of our CBs besides Flowers in the last decade.

[Titty Meat]

Carr is a legit starting CB. He's the least of our problems.

He not as big of a problem now but once the defense isnt total shit it'll show how hes overmatched by good WR's.

[Priest31kc]

He not as big of a problem now but once the defense isnt total shit it'll show how hes overmatched by #1, elite WR's.

He's not a #1 CB. Flowers is. Carr is a very good #2 CB.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs lack of pass rush is why guys look over matched, the problem isn't the CB's its the shithole front 7.

[Titty Meat]

He's not a #1 CB. Flowers is. Carr is a very good #2 CB.

Why did you have to change what I said? Teams don't line up and play 1 WR they play 2 and the good ones beat Carr.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Chiefs still need a terror off the edge and an anchor at NT.

Linval Joseph has been tearing shit up this PS too.

[Blick]

Carr isn't that good. He'll get exposed eventually.

I originally thought Price looked like shit, but he lined up in man on some guys and didn't look complete garbage, so I thought he looked decent.

Arenas will get better. He is the kind of corner that will gamble with his instincts.

[Priest31kc]

Why did you have to change what I said? Teams don't line up and play 1 WR they play 2 and the good ones beat Carr.

Because he can cover "good" WRs. I can understand if you said #1, elite WRs, because he's not an elite CB. Flowers matches up w/ the teams best WR most of the time.

[Titty Meat]

Chiefs still need a terror off the edge and an anchor at NT.

Linval Joseph has been tearing shit up this PS too.

We're getting that next draft.

[RealSNR]

He not as big of a problem now but once the defense isnt total shit it'll show how hes overmatched by good WR's.Sounds bad. Better get this problem solved now before we have to deal with it. I really hope Pioli and company see this and take a strong look at all available CBs to help out Flowers before we address our other needs at NT, Jackson's spot at DE, at least 2 out of 4 LB spots in addition to better LB depth, and depth at cornerback.

Some things are just more important than others, see.

[Saccopoo]

Uh Pioli has drafted 2. One was worth two seventh round picks. How many 7th round picks pan out? I have no problem with the Moeaki pick. If not for the injury issues he would have been drafted before the 3rd round. Could we have used that pick on a lineman? Sure. But linemen aren't special. You can draft essentially the same one every year. A playmaking TE is harder to find in the 3d round than a frickin o lineman. This rebuilding project is going to take time.

No he wouldn't have been drafted before the third round, because he did have a career list of injuries. There was no season where he didn't get injured. Gronkowski had back surgery and was drafted ahead of Moeaki. Add to that that this was an exceptionally deep tight end draft and there were four legitimate starting level tight ends in this draft that would have been there with our fourth round selection. The trade up for Moeaki was a complete piss away of a pick that cost us a fifth rounder that could have been used on any number of quality offensive linemen that were still available at that point in the draft. Tell me that Chris Scott wouldn't have been a better right tackle than anyone else on our roster, or Matt Tennant a better center. Both were there in the fifth. I would have been happy to have had Dennis Pitta in the fourth (whose been receiving raves in Baltimore this pre-season) and one of those guys than Moeaki and his injury.

[Titty Meat]

Sounds bad. Better get this problem solved now before we have to deal with it. I really hope Pioli and company see this and take a strong look at all available CBs to help out Flowers before we address our other needs at NT, Jackson's spot at DE, at least 2 out of 4 LB spots in addition to better LB depth, and depth at cornerback.

Some things are just more important than others, see.

And thats not what I said. Fail.

[MMXcalibur]

What do you necessarily look for when you're observing the offensive line? Obviously, giving up sacks or defensive players breaking through would be pretty telling and those are the huge plays that make an offensive line man stick out. I always figured if I didn't hear about the offensive lineman during a telecast or if the running game is chugging out solid gains, then he's doing his job well... but what other things are you looking for?

[RealSNR]

And thats not what I said. Fail.Carr is better than half the #2 CBs on the other teams in the NFL. And that's what he is. A #2 CB.

[Titty Meat]

Carr is better than half the #2 CBs on the other teams in the NFL. And that's what he is. A #2 CB.

He'd make a better #3

[nicelife2010]

Washington has no awareness on the field, and Bates and Daniels got repeatedly beaten all night.

Morgan got torched on a seam route when he had to guard a slot receiver, but he at least made a number of tackles and was around the ball later in the game.

We still don't have a legit nickel or 4th corner.

that's might be a pity

[Silock]

He'd make a better #3

If we had 2 #1s, then I'd agree.

Brandon Carr is NOT the weak link on this team, and it's not even close. We could very well compete in the league for YEARS with Flowers and Carr as our CBs and it not be a problem.

[keg in kc]

Not much point in worrying about the 2nd team secondary. They're all fodder. Arenas, Barry, Carr, Lewis and McGraw are all locks, and they've all played well. That leaves room for probably one more DB on the roster. And if that 6th DB/4th corner is a problem, well, there's about to be dozens of replacements on the market.

Morgan's been horrible all offseason. Last night's game wasn't any kind of aberration.

The front seven is really what will determine success or failure this season. And they've played progressively better every week, which is I think a good sign. They don't have the marquee pass rusher, but they've been in the backfield consistently the last three weeks. The run defense is a question for now, but more because neither opponent the last two weeks has even attempted to run the ball, which makes it hard to tell one way or another.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not particularly concerned with the secondary's play in the second half. Likely all but one of those guys are going to be gone this time tomorrow.

[BossChief]

Billay, when are you gonna just let it go and acknowledge that Carr is a damn good corner in this league? Not perfect/elite, but damn good. He can start on a playoff team and win individual matchups or at least limit very very good receivers.

Seriously, you keeping with this "Carr isnt good" shit is starting to make you look a little...well...you know, dumb.

Carr matches up on opponents bigger of their starting receivers, Flowers matches up on the smaller, quicker of the two. Its as easy as that. Any corner is gonna have trouble with elite receivers, but Carr held his own against Greg Jennings tonight who is a DAMN GOOD player.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Wow people bitching about Carr?? Theres plenty of other players to bitch about...

[threebag]

This performance just makes trimming the roster that much easier.

[xztop12]

Arenas is absolutely MASSIVE for a cornerback. He's like 5'8 200

he might have to drop weight to be a good nickle

[King_Chief_Fan]

Sounds bad. Better get this problem solved now before we have to deal with it. I really hope Pioli and company see this and take a strong look at all available CBs to help out Flowers before we address our other needs at NT, Jackson's spot at DE, at least 2 out of 4 LB spots in addition to better LB depth, and depth at cornerback.

Some things are just more important than others, see.
i can live with most of those...to get a new QB.

[LOCOChief]

Everything that Arenas is as a return man, he's not as a CB.

Wrong. He had defended several receptions including a dislodged TD pass.

bitching about a rookie corner in the preseason????

[aturnis]

I think if NY hadn't taken him two spots ahead of us, we would have taken Linval Joseph.

Carr is fine. Very good in fact. His passes defensed was very impressive last year.

Morgan should have been gone last year. Contrary to what a lot of guys on this board have said, he didn't play well last preseason either.

Hope I've been wrong about Barry Richardson. That would be good. Maybe the new offense has finally clicked for him and he knows his assignment. Last year he looked pretty bad on the right side, and respectable for a backup on the left.

[Ming the Merciless]

Frankly, I am very angry after tonight's game. Sure our first teamers looked great, but our 6th string CB played like shit.

LMAO

hahahahahha

[HC_Chief]

Second team front seven also looked crappy.

[Skyy God]

Rebuilding team has shitty depth.

News at 11.

[DJ's left nut]

B-Rich was very good. He kicked serious ass in the run game.

And although Morgan wasn't super impressive, he played better than the other scrubs. He made one mistake. Bates and Price were ****ing horrible.

Lewis was the only backup safety or corner who played well, but he should start over McGraw, anyway.

Wow.

I usually agree with you on most things, but I thought Bates showed some promise last night. He was very active and did a good job of breaking on the ball.

He didn't always make the right first move, but that's an experience issue. He showed good athleticism and a nose for the football. He was solid in run-support, showed decent ball-skills and seems to have some legitimate raw talent to work with.

I thought he stood out well above the other guys in the JV secondary last night. Mike Richardson was the one that sucked bawls, IMO.

I doubt he makes the squad, but I really saw some things I liked from Bates last night.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

News Flash:

WE HAVE NO DEPTH!

Moving on...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Rebuilding team has shitty depth.

News at 11.

ROFL Beat me to it, I see.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The problem is this is the area where we should have depth. Morgan was a 3, Washington was a 4, Arenas was a 2, and none of these guys are going to contribute to our defense this year.

That's really troubling.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The problem is this is the area where we should have depth. Morgan was a 3, Washington was a 4, Arenas was a 2, and none of these guys are going to contribute to our defense this year.

That's really troubling.

Oh hell Hamas, it's all pretty damned troubling minus a few key positions. If we're being held back in the 1st string, how long will it take to fix that much less pad the depth behind them?

This going to be a Looooooooonnnnnnnng fucking haul.

[Reaper16]

Billay, you crazy for this one. Carr is a damn good #2 CB. I don't think he'd be better at the nickle, either. His strengths as a player don't seem suited to the nickle CB position.

[LOCOChief]

Arenas will contribute to more then just ST this year. They'll blitz him and we'll see him make plays in coverage. GO Chiefs!

[Blick]

Carr isn't as good as people think he is, IMO.

He was drafted as a cover 2 guy and you can tell he's more comfortable when he can have his eyes facing the action. He gets sketchy when he has to go man and turn and run with a receiver.

Reading about him getting beat repeatedly by Chambers on deep passes in training camp isn't exactly encouraging news either...especially when you consider who's throwing the ball.

He'll get picked on by better QB's and better receivers.

[philfree]

Arenas will contribute to more then just ST this year. They'll blitz him and we'll see him make plays in coverage. GO Chiefs!

On Lewis' INT in the Eagles game Arenas was one of the players who chased Colb? out of the pocket. It was a good play for a couple of rookies.

PhilFree:arrow:

[milkman]

Carr isn't as good as people think he is, IMO.

He was drafted as a cover 2 guy and you can tell he's more comfortable when he can have his eyes facing the action. He gets sketchy when he has to go man and turn and run with a receiver.

Reading about him getting beat repeatedly by Chambers on deep passes in training camp isn't exactly encouraging news either...especially when you consider who's throwing the ball.

He'll get picked on by better QB's and better receivers.

You are absolutely correct.

He is better, still, in a zone.

But you can clearly see he's improving and getting more comfortable in man.

He's still a work in progress, but there is progress.

[Reaper16]

You are absolutely correct.

He is better, still, in a zone.

But you can clearly see he's improving and getting more comfortable in man.

He's still a work in progress, but there is progress.
I don't think that he is "absolutely" correct. He's right about Carr being better-suited for a Cover 2 or a chiefly zone-based scheme. I don't have any doubts, though, that Carr will be good this season, just as he was good last season.

[milkman]

I don't think that he is "absolutely" correct. He's right about Carr being better-suited for a Cover 2 or a chiefly zone-based scheme. I don't have any doubts, though, that Carr will be good this season, just as he was good last season.

When I said he was right, I was being specific to the point he made about Carr as a cover 2 corner.

[Mecca]

I'm really tired of Jon McGraw still being on this team.

[HemiEd]

If we had 2 #1s, then I'd agree.

Brandon Carr is NOT the weak link on this team, and it's not even close. We could very well compete in the league for YEARS with Flowers and Carr as our CBs and it not be a problem.

Can you imagine where this team would be with Sanchez and player to be named later, instead of TJ and Cassel? Dammit, just ****ing dammit!!!