Who to Blame: Cassel or Weis?

[jaa1025]

Offense is about to give this game away. They cannot sustain a drive thus keeping the defense on the field all night long. Other than Charles TD drive they have really done absolutely NOTHING.

Is it bad play calling? Or is Weis just scared to call plays depending on Cassel because he's freaking awful and playing worse than normal?

[Reaper16]

Both. Duh.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

The pass rush. Jk. Cassel

[jaa1025]

I can't blame the Chiefs defense. They've been on the field for almost 40 minutes of this game.

[dirk digler]

Cassel is awful I don't blame Weis other than not having Brodie be the starter

[-King-]

Both. Playcalling was beyond shitty. And Matt Cassel can catch AIDs and cancer and the bird flu and die. Fuck him.

[Hydrae]

Oh ye of little faith. :D

[TRR]

Hey JAA.....fuck off and enjoy the win.
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[HonestChieffan]

bandwagoners. need to get some rams gear shorthitters anyway

[Smed1065]

Offense is about to give this game away. They cannot sustain a drive thus keeping the defense on the field all night long. Other than Charles TD drive they have really done absolutely NOTHING.

Is it bad play calling? Or is Weis just scared to call plays depending on Cassel because he's freaking awful and playing worse than normal?

Nice call, no wonder you block ratings.

Cause ass!

[InChiefsHeaven]

fUCK IT IT'S A WIN BITCHES! I'll take it...

[the Talking Can]

Cassel is a joke.


just enjoy the win.

let that dick sucking pats fan pretend Cassel is a good QB.

[Chiefs_Mike_Topeka]

Cassel is an absolute joke. The Chiefs have no confidence in him. Croyle may break his leg making his drop but at least he has some talent. Get his ass in the game.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Have not seen defense like that in a long ass time. yes, they made some mistakes, but DAMN they played better than we've seen in YEARS!!

[Fritz88]

I thought Cassel fucked and Weis did his best to do some damage control.

[Rain Man]

Pretty much Cassel, since he was overthrowing the wrong guy on most plays while other guys were open. But I can tell that the delayed draw - also known as the 'loss of three' draw - is going to be my bane all year.

[Delano]

Nice call, no wonder you block ratings.

Cause ass!

CAUSE ASS!
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[Hologide]

Cassel made some poor throws, but there were some pretty retarded running plays called. Where was the play action and the bootlegs?!

[MadMax]

Cassel is a joke.


just enjoy the win.

let that dick sucking pats fan pretend Cassel is a good QB.




Truth!!!!! Fuck Cassel!! He is a bad joke..

[Mecca]

It was a hell of a nice win and the defense and special teams were much better but this QB..that was just there aren't words.

[googlegoogle]

rivers was overthrowing too.

[Barret]

Didnt Cassel almost overthrow Moaki on the TD pass? Moaki had to jump to get it and he was wide freaking open.

[the Talking Can]

Cassel had 68 yards


there isn't a big enough retard in the world to pretend he is a good qb

[noa]

Cassel's stat line is pathetic. 10/22 for 68 yards is unacceptable, we won't always be bailed out by special teams touchdowns. And on that third and 20 play where we could have at least moved into field goal range, he shat his pants whilst in bed.

But I was also not a fan of Weis' play call on 3rd and 4 with the sweep hand off to Charles. A play action would have been great there. But yeah, Tuesday morning quarterbacking and stuff...

[Jerm]

At this point, if they cut Cassel tomorrow and signed Jeff Garcia or someone like that I wouldn't complain lol.

[notorious]

Cassel had 68 yards


there isn't a big enough retard in the world to pretend he is a good qb


Trying....



to resist......



piling on.........






Cassel fucking sucks dangling whale dick.

[Mecca]

rivers was overthrowing too.

There is no comparison...Cassel had 68 yards for an entire game.

[Red Beans]

He's sucks skink nuts, but we beat the mother fucking Chargers. This thread = fail.

[Tribal Warfare]

There is no comparison...Cassel had 68 yards for an entire game.

just watch Haley is going to suckoff Cassel per Pioli's orders

[Mecca]

Good defense, great special teams, good running game...everything was good other than the QB.

It's also real hard to rip on Weis when he has that to work with. When he's handing off on 3rd and 4, he's telling us what he thinks of Matt Cassel.

[PornChief]

Cassel's stat line is pathetic. 10/22 for 68 yards is unacceptable, we won't always be bailed out by special teams touchdowns. And on that third and 20 play where we could have at least moved into field goal range, he shat his pants whilst in bed.

But I was also not a fan of Weis' play call on 3rd and 4 with the sweep hand off to Charles. A play action would have been great there. But yeah, Tuesday morning quarterbacking and stuff...

that 3rd and 20 play was ridiculous. 2 guys were open where we'd have a good FG chance and he ignores them in some pathetic attempt to get a 1st down.

[farmerchief]

Cassel, consistanly took over 3 seconds to deliver the ball, way to long in most cases. I timed Rivers, he was always quicker with the release. Cassel seems to miss locating some open recievers, when he's locked in one direction. Too bad, but we are stuck with him, so hopefully he can get better?Great Win regardless, but there will be games when He HAS to come up big!

[okcchief]

Good defense, great special teams, good running game...everything was good other than the QB.

It's also real hard to rip on Weis when he has that to work with. When he's handing off on 3rd and 4, he's telling us what he thinks of Matt Cassel.

This

[Mecca]

After what I saw tonight, if you just swapped the 2 teams QB's the Chiefs would be a 12 win team.

With Matt Cassel...hard to say.

[Lonewolf Ed]

Cassel's stats are not impressive from the game, and sure enough he did make some bad throws. But, the play where he ran and put his shoulder down and got the first down, I had to give him some credit for that. I think the play was designed for him to run it in for the score. He could have done a Bono hook slide but he wanted that first down. Maybe he has some heart? I don't think Cassel will be a good quarterback and I am hoping for a great one to be drafted, but I am hoping Cassel will have some good games and he continues to play with some heart.

[el borracho]

Cassel had 68 yards


there isn't a big enough retard in the world to pretend he is a good qb

Trent Dilfer was impressed; the rest of the world?- not so much. We must take a QB in the 1st next year.

[Jerm]

After what I saw tonight, if you just swapped the 2 teams QB's the Chiefs would be a 12 win team.

With Matt Cassel...hard to say.

Imagine if we had taken Rodgers...

:shake:

[jaa1025]

It's a great win for us and I'll take them however I get them but the offense was a joke.
Charles not getting more than 11 carries is a joke. Charles >>> Jones.

Cassel played scarred. Offensive playcalling was horrible, but I guess if I had Cassel to call plays for then I'd call it so he couldn't lose the game for us. Since I've started watching football in the early 90's Cassel has been the worst starter for the Chiefs.

Montana
Bono
Gannon
Grbac
Green
Huard
Croyle
Thigpen

ALL BETTER THAN Cassel

[Mecca]

Trent Dilfer was impressed; the rest of the world?- not so much. We must take a QB in the 1st next year.

Of course he was impressed, he was a scrub. When he said Cassel reminds him of himself I pictured everyone face palming.

[the Talking Can]

everything about our offense is designed to account for Cassel's weaknesses


jesus, our WRs must hate him....they're basically irrelevant

[jaa1025]

Cassel's stats are not impressive from the game, and sure enough he did make some bad throws. But, the play where he ran and put his shoulder down and got the first down, I had to give him some credit for that. I think the play was designed for him to run it in for the score. He could have done a Bono hook slide but he wanted that first down. Maybe he has some heart? I don't think Cassel will be a good quarterback and I am hoping for a great one to be drafted, but I am hoping Cassel will have some good games and he continues to play with some heart.


He had a guy wide open streaking in the end zone but he did show some grit on the run. Our QB situation should have been looked at but it wasn't...hopefully, we go QB with our first round pick this year.

[Mecca]

Say playcalling all you want, Weis is calling the game that way because of our QB...I can imagine him sitting in the booth just wanting to kill Cassel.

[notorious]

Of course he was impressed, he was a scrub. When he said Cassel reminds him of himself I pictured everyone face palming.

LOL


This.

[jaa1025]

everything about our offense is designed to account for Cassel's weaknesses


jesus, our WRs must hate him....they're basically irrelevant

Yeah, in NE Weis' offense was designed on short, quick throws. Cassel can't mess those up...oh wait...

[Smed1065]

There is no comparison...Cassel had 68 yards for an entire game.

Yes, why they won? Show your hopes and job?

[FAX]

I think Romeo's due some prop things.

He's done wonders with this defense ... if this game is any indication. The emphasis on the return game paid dividends, too. This offense is going to need good field position.

FAX

[Mecca]

I see Smed is here to say shit...no one understands.

[notorious]

Unfortunately, this team isn't going to do anything meaningful until Cassel hits the road.

[RedThat]

Cassel didn't play that bad. Yeah some of his throws were off, but he made some decent throws. They weren't pretty but it got the job done. I'll say it, he's gonna be a work in progress.

And by no means am I sticking up for him, but he made the necessary plays when needed. that was a nice run he made there for a first down near the goal line. And he made the TD pass to Moeaki. Plus, he didn't turn the ball over.

Weis on the other hand, made some really questionable play calls...Some of the calls he made I was like...WTF? I was so tempted to throw my converter at the TV, that sumbitch nearly cost us the football game with his atrocious calls.

[Mecca]

Cassel didn't play that bad. Yeah some of his throws were off, but he made some decent throws. They weren't pretty but it got the job done. I'll say it, he's gonna be a work in progress.

And by all means, Im not sticking up for him, but he made the necessary plays when needed. that was a nice run he made there for a first down near the goal line. And he made the TD pass to Moeaki. Plus, he didn't turn the ball over.

Weis on the other hand, made some really questionable play calls...Some of the calls he made I was like...WTF? I was so tempted to throw my converter at the TV, that sumbitch nearly cost us the football game with his atrocious calls.

If that is "not that bad" I'd hate to see your idea of a bad performance.

[notorious]

If that is "not that bad" I'd hate to see your idea of a bad performance.

Thank God that San Diego didn't catch those INT's he was trying to give out.

[Mecca]

For comparison sake...Rivers had 68 yards in about 1 pass...Mike Vick outperformed Cassel this weekend in roughly 5 minutes.

[the Talking Can]

Cassel didn't play that bad. Yeah some of his throws were off, but he made some decent throws. They weren't pretty but it got the job done. I'll say it, he's gonna be a work in progress.

And by no means am I sticking up for him, but he made the necessary plays when needed. that was a nice run he made there for a first down near the goal line. And he made the TD pass to Moeaki. Plus, he didn't turn the ball over.

Weis on the other hand, made some really questionable play calls...Some of the calls he made I was like...WTF? I was so tempted to throw my converter at the TV, that sumbitch nearly cost us the football game with his atrocious calls.

good grief

[RedThat]

everything about our offense is designed to account for Cassel's weaknesses


jesus, our WRs must hate him....they're basically irrelevant

I agree.

But, I want to point out on a comment Dilfer was mentioning earlier in the game, this offense was in too many 3rd and long situations. That does nothing but put a lot of stress on the QB's shoulders.

They need to cut down the 3rd and long plays more, that way it'll be easier to emphasize and execute on the short passing game.

[fan4ever]

Loved the victory...but the play calling/Cassel is why we'll be 7-9 at best. Charles should be the 1st and 2nd down back, not Jones...reverse the roles. Maybe that way we won't be facing 3rd and 6 all night.

[kcpasco]

or maybe find a QB that can throw a tight spiral to soften up the run D

[Mecca]

The playcalling is BECAUSE OF CASSEL, what the fuck do you want Weis to do?

[notorious]

I agree.

But, I want to point out on a comment Dilfer was mentioning earlier in the game, this offense was in too many 3rd and long situations. That does nothing but put a lot of stress on the QB's shoulders.

They need to cut down the 3rd and long plays more, that way it'll be easier to emphasize and execute on the short passing game.

You know what gets you out of 3rd and long?


Having a deep threat, which gets more defenders out of the box, which in turn opens up the run even more.


3rd and long is on Cassel.

[BIG_DADDY]

I thought for sure we were going to do a play action fake then they lined up in the shotgun and I am like WTF?

[the Talking Can]

I agree.

But, I want to point out on a comment Dilfer was mentioning earlier in the game, this offense was in too many 3rd and long situations. That does nothing but put a lot of stress on the QB's shoulders.

They need to cut down the 3rd and long plays more, that way it'll be easier to emphasize and execute on the short passing game.

we're in those situations becuase weis doesn't trust Cassel


you think Weis called this shit marty ball when Brady was qb?

yeah...no

when you don't trust your QB...you end up with this

[notorious]

or maybe find a QB that can throw a tight spiral to soften up the run D

Damn, beat me to it. :)

[Pasta Little Brioni]

When you run THAT many draws on 3rd down, you do not have confidence in your QB plain and simple. That said, I am stoked about the rest of the team.

[Reaper16]

The playcalling is BECAUSE OF CASSEL, what the fuck do you want Weis to do?
Call run plays that take advantage of Charles' acceleration, mainly. Weis was calling the slowest developing run plays ever when he wasn't giving Thomas Jones 2/3 of the carries.

[FAX]

Loved the victory...but the play calling/Cassel is why we'll be 7-9 at best. Charles should be the 1st and 2nd down back, not Jones...reverse the roles. Maybe that way we won't be facing 3rd and 6 all night.

I can see why they're doing it this way ... Jones can soften up the enemy defense a little and give the o-line an opportunity to settle down and get in a groove. Then, when Charles comes in, we can attack the edges and the enemy won't be prepared for his quickness and speed.

Tonight, it really felt as though Charles' touchdown run took the Eggos by surprise ... as though they were a step or two slow at the LOS.

FAX

[Otter]

I thought for sure we were going to do a play action fake then they lined up in the shotgun and I am like WTF?

Same. I'll take it though, an opening game victory against the biggest problem in the AFC West.

FUck yeah!

[the Talking Can]

When you run THAT many draws on 3rd down, you do not have confidence in your QB plain and simple. That said, I am stoked about the rest of the team.

literally every other position on the team looked improved

[Mecca]

He constantly puts Matt Cassel in shotgun because it's the only set he's halfway decent in. He's trying to help Cassel as much as possible...

[FAX]

Hey ... ESPN just showed a Chiefs' highlight.

Weird.

FAX

[-King-]

Say playcalling all you want, Weis is calling the game that way because of our QB...I can imagine him sitting in the booth just wanting to kill Cassel.

So the shotgun draws to Charles...whose fault was that? Fuck that, Weis called a shitty game.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

literally every other position on the team looked improved

I saw flashes in the preseason, especially on D. Seeing a bunch of young guys show up tonight and play well brought a damn big smile to my face.

[acesn8s]

I will give Cassel a pass this week. The rain, wind, and opening day gitters contributed to the poor play and poor play calling. Next week I will blast him but not tonight.

[Mecca]

So the shotgun draws to Charles...whose fault was that? Fuck that, Weis called a shitty game.

Alright it is what it is, he has absolutely no faith in Cassel, can't say I blame him.

[acesn8s]

You know what gets you out of 3rd and long?


Getting the job done on downs 1 and 2?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

I am not a huge Cassel other than the fact that I thought he was a better option than Sanchez.

With that said, bashing Cassel tonight is a little ridiculous.

First, he had three drops. One of them hit Bowe on the back shoulder that was an incredible pass. Bowe was covered perfectly. The other two were also contested, but they needed to make a play.

Second, he had Chambers wide open and some might think he overthrew Chambers, but Chambers stopped the route because he couldn't find the ball. It would have been a huge gain.

Cassel had a solid game. He made a ton of good decisions even just throwing the ball away. I think he could have taken the underneath a little more, and as Dilfer pointed out, he had Thomas Jones for 8 yards or so on 4th and 20 that would have given the Chiefs a chance at the field goal, but he launched it downfield.

Chiefs defense was dominant, and the weather and field were horrendous. So, the Chiefs kept it conservative. Simple as that.

Cassel did a lot of good things. But, they are little things that the average fan doesn't notice, I suppose.

[-King-]

I will give Cassel a pass this week. The rain, wind, and opening day gitters contributed to the poor play and poor play calling. Next week I will blast him but not tonight.

WTF really? Rivers had almost 300 yards passing in that same wind and rain.

Cassel can die in an aids fire for all I care. Cruel, but right now, IDGAF.

[notorious]

Getting the job done on downs 1 and 2?

LMAO

Yes, and how do you do that?

[-King-]

Alright it is what it is, he has absolutely no faith in Cassel, can't say I blame him.

WTF does running a shotgun draw have to do with Cassel?

[notorious]

WTF does running a shotgun draw have to do with Cassel?

You have to run out of that set to keep the defense guessing.


In theory.

[the Talking Can]

where is that ball licking pats fan to explain how 68 yards is worth 63 million?

[-King-]

You have to run out of that set to keep the defense guessing.


In theory.

Were you guessing? Everyone in the stadium knew what was coming. My grandmother knew what was coming and she's dead. That shit wasn't to keep the defense guessing. It was just poor playcalling.

[notorious]

Were you guessing? Everyone in the stadium knew what was coming. My grandmother knew what was coming and she's dead. That shit wasn't to keep the defense guessing. It was just poor playcalling.

You are 100% correct.


BUT, in that formation (like OU college football), if you run out of that set you can do some real damage if you have an actual passing threat.


The Chiefs don't have a passing threat, so the plays were horrific.

[acesn8s]

WTF really? Rivers had almost 300 yards passing in that same wind and rain.

Cassel can die in an aids fire for all I care. Cruel, but right now, IDGAF.Nearly 200 yards came after the 4:45 mark in the 3rd quarter when SD was playing catch up. Included in those stats are a slip and fall by DJ to allow Gates to gain 20 yards and the DBs blowing coverage for a 59 yards TD. At this point in the game there is no need for Cassel to be a gunslinger.

[Amnorix]

let that dick sucking pats fan pretend Cassel is a good QB.


Eh? That me?

Honestly, I've barely seen him play since he left the Pats. When he was with us he seemed like he had promise, but of course, he had a very good team around him etc. etc.

If all of ChiefsPlanet says he sucks, I'm not going to argue. I haven't even seen enough of him to make an argument.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Offense is about to give this game away. They cannot sustain a drive thus keeping the defense on the field all night long. Other than Charles TD drive they have really done absolutely NOTHING.

Is it bad play calling? Or is Weis just scared to call plays depending on Cassel because he's freaking awful and playing worse than normal?

Weiss is handcuffed trying to make chicken salad out of chicken crap. His play calling is limited thanks to the QB........10/22 68 yards..what does that tell you? Weiss is eagerly waiting for a QB.

[the Talking Can]

Eh? That me?

Honestly, I've barely seen him play since he left the Pats. When he was with us he seemed like he had promise, but of course, he had a very good team around him etc. etc.

If all of ChiefsPlanet says he sucks, I'm not going to argue. I haven't even seen enough of him to make an argument.

ROFL

no man, not you

you're totally cool...and waaay smarter than the guy i'm talking about


there is some pats fan that shows up just to cry about people bashing cassel

[eazyb81]

The playcalling sucked, but it's obvious by now that Cassel is Elvis Grbac Jr.

I expect Weis to open it up in better conditions, but Cassel will continue to be terrible. He just doesn't have it.

[DeezNutz]

The playcalling sucked, but it's obvious by now that Cassel is Elvis Grbac Jr.

I expect Weis to open it up in better conditions, but Cassel will continue to be terrible. He just doesn't have it.

Grbac had more talent in one of his testicles than Cassel has in his entire body. The truth is, we traded and paid handsomely for Bono-lite. "Lite" as in "less talent."

Just an embarrassing, embarrassing ****ing QB.

Sadly, this team might be a legit QB away from a playoff push this year.

[ChiefGator]

I will give Cassel a pass this week. The rain, wind, and opening day gitters contributed to the poor play and poor play calling. Next week I will blast him but not tonight.

Page four before someone mentions the weather?!

Damn, enjoy the victory. Obviously Weis didn't trust Cassel AT ALL in the conditions of the game. No interceptions and a victory are good though.

I look forward to seeing some beautiful days for football and accurately being able to gauge Cassel's progress.

Awesome defense and special teams last night.

[suds79]

Page four before someone mentions the weather?!

Damn, enjoy the victory. Obviously Weis didn't trust Cassel AT ALL in the conditions of the game. No interceptions and a victory are good though.

I look forward to seeing some beautiful days for football and accurately being able to gauge Cassel's progress.

I think it was obvious that with the lead and in bad weather that Weis didn't trust Cassel to throw the ball. So in that sense you're right.

But don't you just get the feeling that overall Weis & Haley simply can see that Cassel is what he is? A caretaker. A game manager. Nothing more.

And it's disappointing because we'll never win anything big with a QB like that.

[DeezNutz]

Game managers are allowed to throw the ball in obvious passing downs. That's because they're trusted to...wait for it...manage the game.

Cassel was treated like the fucking short kid in Little League.

[ChiefGator]

And it's disappointing because we'll never win anything big with a QB like that.

I know... believe me that was completely obvious to me as well.. he is the weak link now. but i think he is a little better and our play calling will be better in the coming weeks with better weather.

Still, he is likely priority #1 to replace in the offseason of course.

[HonestChieffan]

WTF really? Rivers had almost 300 yards passing in that same wind and rain.

Cassel can die in an aids fire for all I care. Cruel, but right now, IDGAF.


Rivers receivers were open. The last time we had a really open receiver, Steve Deberg was a rookie.


Im no Cassel fan but our receivers suck at ever being open. Been that was for more than a few years.

[Chiefnj2]

As bad as Weis' playcalling was, you have to wonder what the Chargers were doing.

Rivers and his center were reading from different playbooks last night. I understand picking on Berry as a rookie, but they should have run the ball a little more.

They gave the ball to that human bowling ball, Tolbert, and the guy made KC's defense look like the glory days of GROB and Gunther on that one run. 3 Chiefs bounced right off of him. In the wet conditions they should have kept giving the ball to that guy. They would have tired out the D by early 4th quarter, and opened up the passing game even more.

[beach tribe]

CassHole is just horrible.
I could not believe he ran his 68 yard passing ass out onto the field toting what damn sure couldn't have been a game ball.

[Bwana]

CassHole is just horrible.
I could not believe he ran his 68 yard passing ass out onto the field toting what damn sure couldn't have been a game ball.

I hope he ran the ball over and gave it, Romeo, the D, or McCluster. He got the job done, (we won) :) but there is no doubt, there is room for improvement.

[Red Dawg]

I can't blame the Chiefs defense. They've been on the field for almost 40 minutes of this game.

Damn near the whole game.

[Chiefnj2]

Maybe Haley should be added to the thread header:

"we were able to protect the football through the game which I had as a number one key for our offensive improvement." Haley's post-game comment.

#1 key to offensive improvement - protect the football. Not, better pass blocking, not better passing. Protect the football. The Hunts must have some mind altering apparatus they strap on to head coaches the day they sign with the Chiefs. "You must not draft quarterbacks. Run - Run - Pass - Punt is good...."

[SenselessChiefsFan]

The first play of the game was a long pass. The Chiefs have plenty of faith in Cassel. They just had a 14 point lead in weather conditions that made it difficult on the Chargers to come back and a defense that was playing well.

Thus, the conservative play calling that in the end.... won the game. And, to Cassel's credit... he didn't whine about the way the game was called, or even mention that he would have liked to put up more yards. He was just thrilled for the win.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Of course he was impressed, he was a scrub. When he said Cassel reminds him of himself I pictured everyone face palming.

I don't think he said that. I believe he said that he knows how hard it is to stay in rhythm passing so little and with so much time in between passes.

I could be wrong. But, I don't remember that.

[DeezNutz]

Thus, the conservative play calling that in the end.... won the game.

Good to know.

I must have misunderstood when the Chargers had 1st and goal with an opportunity to tie in the final minute.

Well done, Cassel! Well done.

[milkman]

The first play of the game was a long pass. The Chiefs have plenty of faith in Cassel. They just had a 14 point lead in weather conditions that made it difficult on the Chargers to come back and a defense that was playing well.

Thus, the conservative play calling that in the end.... won the game. And, to Cassel's credit... he didn't whine about the way the game was called, or even mention that he would have liked to put up more yards. He was just thrilled for the win.

And I'll bet the Chargers were just as shocked as anyone that they actually called a pass play longer than 10 yards.

Weis was hoping to cash in on the element of surprise.

It had nothing to do with faith in Cassel.

[FishingRod]

Given the Talent we have at WR and QB... in the rain... with the lead... I think the play calling was dull but smart. I will say I remember watching the preseason game against GB and wondering who their 2nd QB (Matt Flynn) is? How much he is getting paid and why he looks better than our high priced starter.

[xztop12]

I thought Dilfer did a really nice job commentating the game. John Lynch is the worst I've seen.

That being said, Jamall Charles needs the ball out of the single back formation. And Cassel did make one nice throw to Moeaki. There were no outright pitiful plays by MC that equate to the blown coverage by either Berry or Flowers

[Chief Henry]

Rivers receivers were open. The last time we had a really open receiver, Steve Deberg was a rookie.


Im no Cassel fan but our receivers suck at ever being open. Been that was for more than a few years.


Thats one of the major problems for all of our QB's. Our receivers never get
seperation from the defenders so it seems.

It was a nice win and the house was rockin. Its good to know we have some playmakers that have the capability to take it to the house from anywhere on the feld.

The defense was bringing it last night. The play from our QB sucked. he needs to step up big time and make some plays.

[Chief Henry]

I hope he ran the ball over and gave it, Romeo, the D, or McCluster. He got the job done, (we won) :) but there is no doubt, there is room for improvement.

Did you notice how pitiful his play action pass fakes were :shake:. I swear to god that would be something basic he should know from his HS playing days. Withour running game and the success were having running the ball, the play action pass should be a lethal weapon to use.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

For comparison sake...Rivers had 68 yards in about 1 pass...Mike Vick outperformed Cassel this weekend in roughly 5 minutes.

Rivers and Vick.... lost the game.

The Chiefs looked very much like the Jets last year. And you were thrilled about that.

Of course, Sanchez looked like a stud last night with his 74 yards. I mean, it was SIX more than Cassel's.... so, you have to be impressed. Of course, he had to air it out since they were behind most of the night.

The reality is that Cassel was the Chiefs best option at the time, and until they get to a draft with a legit QB at the time they are drafting.... he will continue to be the best option.

[Ralphy Boy]

The playcalling is BECAUSE OF CASSEL, what the **** do you want Weis to do?

Bullshit! This is a crappy excuse for bad playcalling. Cassel sucks but Weis called a shitty game. I only made it to the 3rd page of this thread before getting fed up with everyone throwing all of the blame, for a freaking win, on Cassel.

So the f@ck what if he doesn't have Tom Brady under center, Cassel is his QB and he needs to figure out how to win with him. If he wants to get rid of him then he needs to make Cassel try to make every throw. Don't coddle him. At some point we will have to count on Cassel to put us into a position to win. I don't have a lot of faith that he can do it either, but he has to be given the opportunity.

[Titty Meat]

Zac Lee

[HC_Chief]

Did you notice how pitiful his play action pass fakes were :shake:. I swear to god that would be something basic he should know from his HS playing days. Withour running game and the success were having running the ball, the play action pass should be a lethal weapon to use.

The Chargers' secondary played man all night long. Play fake or not, our receivers rarely got separation, and when they did, Cassel took too long to recognize it and was late with the ball.

Cassel has a LONG way to go. Last night was pathetic. That win goes squarely to the D & ST units. Aside from a great Charles run and spurts of decent run blocking by the OL, the offense was absolutely dreadful.

[The_Doctor10]

I thought Dilfer did a really nice job commentating the game. John Lynch is the worst I've seen.

That being said, Jamall Charles needs the ball out of the single back formation. And Cassel did make one nice throw to Moeaki. There were no outright pitiful plays by MC that equate to the blown coverage by either Berry or Flowers

Except that Berry is a rookie in his first NFL game and Flowers was the best player on the field for most of the night outside of that TD.

There were outright pitiful plays by Cassel, many of them involving lame-duck 'throws out of bounds' that were thrown exclusively because Cassel isn't capable of turning his head to read the defense on the other half of the field.

[Jawshco]

It's Cassel. He sucks and Weiss doesn't know what the hell to do with him- it's throwing off his playcalling Mojo.

Our WR's are slow, but look slower because Cassel is Mentally slow! He misses all his throwing oppurtunites. He just can't react quickly enough. I saw it several times yesterday- open WR's he didn't even see and holes in the D that he couldn't take advantage of because he couldn't react quickly enough. I was worried about the fact that he was sacked 2x more than Brady was with the same Pats offense, but Monday clinched it for me... Cassel is slow. Might as well start Croyle, but they won't... We better draft the BQBA in next years draft.

[MahiMike]

Who to blame? For what? Winning?

Haley gave the orders and Cassel/Weis followed perfectly to get the win.

[Jawshco]

Who to blame? For what? Winning?

Haley gave the orders and Cassel/Weis followed perfectly to get the win.

I seriously doubt our offense's futility was coach Haley's plan unless Herm is secretly pulling his strings. I don't care what he says about telling Weis to dial it down, there's no way Haley wants to see his QB throw for 68 yards.

[BossChief]

A better question would be:

who is more to blame?

Pioli for trading for Cassel, or Denny Thum for signing him to that ridiculous deal?

[Rasputin]

Who to blame? For what? Winning?

Haley gave the orders and Cassel/Weis followed perfectly to get the win.

Yea well, we could have easily blown it if Chargers tied the game, and sent it into over time. Rivers had a chance at the end to tie it, they failed cuz our defense held up. Over time wouldn't have gone well for us unless we had a huge kick off return. How manny 3 & outs a game are we going to have? How many sustained drives can Cassel produce? Our defense was on the field more becouse of our lame duck QB.

Cassel gives us no chance to be a legit Super Bowl continder. The team is good enough to win some games but not manny. Can't wait for this team to draft a QBotf with attributes of a professional football player. Why should we have to root for Cassel? He aint gonna win us a damn Super Bowl. I root for the Chiefs team to win a Super Bowl in my life time. Just hope they make it in this decade at least. I want them to build this team right and that is through the draft. Rehash QBs suck. Cassel sucks.

[Chieftain58]

Offense is about to give this game away. They cannot sustain a drive thus keeping the defense on the field all night long. Other than Charles TD drive they have really done absolutely NOTHING.

Is it bad play calling? Or is Weis just scared to call plays depending on Cassel because he's freaking awful and playing worse than normal?

the sky is falling the sky is falling! crap we sucked for the last 10 years anyway SO WHAT, he's better then Grbacup.. that guy was pitiful... Croyle is injury prone, but I like the Palko guy they have... Cassell will have to prove himself in the next 2-3 games or he will be on the bench.... Maybe Jamarcass Russel will sign with us.. lol

[BossChief]

I seriously doubt our offense's futility was coach Haley's plan unless Herm is secretly pulling his strings. I don't care what he says about telling Weis to dial it down, there's no way Haley wants to see his QB throw for 68 yards.

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[CoMoChief]

I don't think this coaching staff has much faith in Cassel.

Haley had ZERO faith in Cassel throwing in these kinds of conditions, and made it so much a point that we almost lost the game because of how conservative we were being in Mon night's game.

God forbid should we have a fucking cold rainy Nov/Dec game. My god.....help us all.

[heaven]

Who to blame? For what? Winning?

Haley gave the orders and Cassel/Weis followed perfectly to get the win.

We need supported them forever.

[Jawshco]

the sky is falling the sky is falling! crap we sucked for the last 10 years anyway SO WHAT, he's better then Grbacup.. that guy was pitiful... Croyle is injury prone, but I like the Palko guy they have... Cassell will have to prove himself in the next 2-3 games or he will be on the bench.... Maybe Jamarcass Russel will sign with us.. lol

Crazy Talk! I'm no Grbac fan, but he was far better than Cassel in many ways. He could throw the deep ball accurately and was a Probowler. I doubt Cassel will ever sniff a probowl. You like Palko? Seriously? I guess someone has to.