The Browns: Trap Game

[Direckshun]

Anybody else getting a bad feeling about this Browns game?

We have ourselves a short week, after an incredibly emotional loss. The Browns are not a talented team, but I feel like the youth on this team makes us susceptible to a let down.

Anybody here follow the Browns closely? What are we getting into this week, besides a madhouse that should rival Arrowhead last week?

[baitism]

If Delhomme is out and either Seneca Wallace or Colt McCoy is the QB, then no, I am not worried.

[Direckshun]

Buddy, if the Chiefs can beat the Chargers, the Browns can beat the Chiefs.

[007]

The potential is there. Especially considering the emotional win we just had.

Seems like every time we play the Browns we have a let down.

[KcMizzou]

I expect the Chiefs to be fired up and ready to go. They know they're not good enough to just show up and expect to win just yet.

[Tribal Warfare]

If Delhomme is out and either Seneca Wallace or Colt McCoy is the QB, then no, I am not worried.

Matt Cassel is the Chiefs' QB, thus the same sentiments concerns KC too.

[KCrockaholic]

Nah. The Chiefs will win this one against the Browns.

But I fully expect them to be 2-2 after that.

If any game is a trap game. It's the San Fran game. They looked horrible last week against the Seahawks of all teams. They just aren't that bad, and we all know it.

[Fritz88]

I am not worry about Berry. I'll tell you that.
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[KCrockaholic]

I am not worry about Berry. I'll tell you that.
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Who is worried about Berry? As a rook going up against Gates, I didn't expect him to have a great game. This week on the other hand. I think he shines!

[CoMoChief]

Nah. The Chiefs will win this one against the Browns.

But I fully expect them to be 2-2 after that.

If any game is a trap game. It's the San Fran game. They looked horrible last week against the Seahawks of all teams. They just aren't that bad, and we all know it.

Alex Smith is a HORRIBLE QB, one of just a few in the NFL I actually think Cassel is better than. He's going to bring that team down.

[bowener]

I expect Romeo to have his D wanting blood. If they come out flat I will be disappointed in Romeo.

[RealSNR]

Every game is a trap game. Every game there exists the possibility for unfocused, undisciplined play by any player on any team.

What's the difference between some of the 2009 Chiefs blowout losses and this upcoming game? Why is this one a trap game? Because the Browns suck? That shouldn't have anything to do with it. We played like shit against the Broncos in game 1 and in both Charger games. I'll bet you the Browns could have beaten us in both of those games last year. Because our team had no concentration and played like shit.

If we lose to the Browns this week, I refuse to say, "Uhp! Trap game!" Trap games don't exist. Or rather, they do exist... they ARE sports.

Or something like that

[FAX]

I'm not sure you could call it a "trap" game. I thought that was a term used to describe games where the favored team comes in overconfident or something. I don't know what the line is ... or will be ... but we might not even be favored to win outright. It is, after all, a road game and the Chiefs (of late) haven't exactly been dominating on the road.

FAX

[Thig Lyfe]

IT'S A TRAP!!!


game

[HoneyBadger]

As long as the team comes out as energized as they did against SD, then they should be fine.

[keg in kc]

Kind of hard to trap a team that's only won 11 of their last 50 games. KC's still at the point where they can be the trapper, but not the trappee. I doubt they're going to take anybody lightly, I doubt they're going to get too high after any win or look ahead to any future games, and I doubt they're going to walk into any stadium cocky. Basically, at this stage of the game, if they lose, it's because they're not very good, not because they were trapped in any way.

I do see some possible trap games on our schedule (traps for our opponents...):

The Texans host us a week after they host the Giants, a week before their bye, which leads into their rematch with Indianapolis.
The Jaguars host us a week after they host Tennessee and a week before they go to Dallas.
We host the Cardinals a week after they host Seattle and a week before they host San Francisco.
The Seahawks host us a week after they travel to New Orleans.
We host the Titans a week after they host Houston and a week before they end their season in Indianapolis.
Interesting, I hadn't looked at the schedule quite that closely before now.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Sorry, but the crowd won us the Chargers game. We won't have that going for us this week. The browns kicked our ass last year and will probably do it again. Cassel sucks and I expect after our bye in week four we'll be starting Croyle.

[Rausch]

Sorry, but the crowd won us the Chargers game. We won't have that going for us this week. The browns kicked our ass last year and will probably do it again. Cassel sucks and I expect after our bye in week four we'll be starting Croyle.

I don't think the Browns are any better than we are.

[Chiefs4TheWin]

Cue admiral ackbar.

[BryanBusby]

If Delhomme is out and either Seneca Wallace or Colt McCoy is the QB, then no, I am not worried.

That's exactly why you should be worried. The Chiefs are infamous for giving scrubs career days.

[BigRock]

Sorry, but the crowd won us the Chargers game. We won't have that going for us this week. The browns kicked our ass last year and will probably do it again.

It took 2 kick returns, a Browns franchise rushing record, and 9 or 10 drops from Chiefs receivers (one in the endzone, multiple that killed drives) for Cleveland to win by a single touchdown. That's not an ass kicking, it's a game we pissed down our leg.

But I'm in no way confident we'll win, because I can't even remember the last time we had a good win and followed it up well the next week. And I'd much rather play against Delhomme than Wallace.

[MahiMike]

If Cassel throws for 68 yards again, we win.

[notorious]

Short week on the road.



Load up your money on Cleveland.

[LaChapelle]

No spoliers please

[Bob Dole]

I'm not sure you could call it a "trap" game. I thought that was a term used to describe games where the favored team comes in overconfident or something. I don't know what the line is ...

Chiefs +2 last night. Haven't looked today.

[FlaChief58]

The browns lost to a bad bucs team. Good teams show up every week no matter what the circumstances were the previous week. If the Chiefs really want to take the next step, they have to beat teams like the browns home or away.

[J Diddy]

If Cassel throws for 68 yards again, we win.


The way I see it what we need to do is totally replace cassell with a fb, replace the wr with offensive tackles. and just run every play. I mean we'll only lose 68 yards passing a game by not passing. I'm sure we can make that up on the ground.

[suds79]

Well with Matt Cassel we should always worry.

But I'm excited to see what Eric Berry can do when he's not asked to cover maybe the best TE in the game. He kinda got his welcome to the NFL moment there.

Lets see what he does this week.

[milkman]

The way I see it what we need to do is totally replace cassell with a fb, replace the wr with offensive tackles. and just run every play. I mean we'll only lose 68 yards passing a game by not passing. I'm sure we can make that up on the ground.

Wing T baby/Marv Levy

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If they decide to start Colt McCoy we're fucked !

[DaKCMan AP]

http://www.blogcdn.com/nfl.fanhouse.com/media/2008/12/romeo-crennel.jpg

[Frazod]

Did I miss something here? Wasn't it an incredibly emotional WIN?

[Saulbadguy]

How is this a trap game? Isn't Cleveland favored to win?

[Reerun_KC]

Sorry, but the crowd won us the Chargers game. We won't have that going for us this week. The browns kicked our ass last year and will probably do it again. Cassel sucks and I expect after our bye in week four we'll be starting Croyle.

Bet you $500,000 in casino cash that Cassel is starting week 5....

[J Diddy]

Did I miss something here? Wasn't it an incredibly emotional WIN?


You are witnessing a rare occurrence. Seems to only happen once a decade, but it appears after 1 week into the regular season Chiefs fans still have hope.

Usually that's dashed after 1 game...

[Ugly Duck]

Alex Smith is a HORRIBLE QB, one of just a few in the NFL I actually think Cassel is better than. He's going to bring that team down.

They also have a disgruntled diva whining away. Craptree is so in love with himself that he's convinced his horrible performance in the opener is everyone else's fault. He says he spends his spare time drawing fashion designs and cutting men's hair (& probably admiring himself in the mirror). Teammates seem to feel he should be studying the playbook instead. All this after holding out cuz he felt he was drafted too low. His self-infatuation is causing a morale problem with the team.

[milkman]

Alex Smith is a HORRIBLE QB, one of just a few in the NFL I actually think Cassel is better than. He's going to bring that team down.

Smith is a crap QB, but he is not worse than Cassel.

[Art Vader]

browns can't fuck with shake n bake. josh cribbs who?

[Chiefnj2]

If Delhomme is out and either Seneca Wallace or Colt McCoy is the QB, then no, I am not worried.

Delhomme threw two interceptions on his way to get an x-ray of his ankle.

The Browns have a better chance with a simple game plan with backups. Run the ball up the gut and pick on Berry.

[Reerun_KC]

Smith is a crap QB, but he is not worse than Cassel.

According to Who? The normal haters?

Obviously our coaching staff feels otherwise. Haley on Chiefs Kingdom last night said he played a great game, considering the elements, the 2 touchdown lead and the fact that he didnt turn the ball over.

Also Haley said it was his call to run that plays that took the ball out of the QB's hands to protect the lead and not give SD any momentum...

So who would you believe? You guys here that have a personal agenda to hate everything Cassel and Chiefs or the Head Coach of the team..

Yes I know you will try and spin this that the coach doesnt have confidence in Cassel or some other crap...

But I think the Coach knows more about the team then we do...

[MMXcalibur]

"Trap games" don't exist for teams that have won nine games in the previous 3 1/16 seasons. It's nice we beat a more talented Chargers team, but the majority of what's left of this Browns squad tore us a new asshole last season on the ground and in special teams. Plus, I get this itchy feeling (herpes?) that the "career day defense" will return and is going to make Jake Delhomme look super, duper, ultra special to the fans in Cleveland...kind of like how we did with Derek Anderson or Kelly Holcomb. Shit, there's always some asshole on the Browns that makes KC's defense look like a gaggle of retarded shitwits.

Honestly, I won't be surprised if we win OR lose.

[Bane]

I dont believe in that trap game bullshit.We'll line up and give it hell,somebody wins and somebody loses.Any team can beat any team,blah blah blah.I say we win.
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[King_Chief_Fan]

Anybody else getting a bad feeling about this Browns game?

We have ourselves a short week, after an incredibly emotional loss. The Browns are not a talented team, but I feel like the youth on this team makes us susceptible to a let down.

Anybody here follow the Browns closely? What are we getting into this week, besides a madhouse that should rival Arrowhead last week?

this is a 4-12 team....5-12 over the last 17 games...are you serious? Trap Game....that is ignorant

[milkman]

According to Who? The normal haters?

Obviously our coaching staff feels otherwise. Haley on Chiefs Kingdom last night said he played a great game, considering the elements, the 2 touchdown lead and the fact that he didnt turn the ball over.

Also Haley said it was his call to run that plays that took the ball out of the QB's hands to protect the lead and not give SD any momentum...

So who would you believe? You guys here that have a personal agenda to hate everything Cassel and Chiefs or the Head Coach of the team..

Yes I know you will try and spin this that the coach doesnt have confidence in Cassel or some other crap...

But I think the Coach knows more about the team then we do...

Spin things?

LMAO

You are one naive motherfucker.

I would have to go to spin school for years to learn to spin things as proficiently as NFL coaches.

They are spin masters.

[Deberg_1990]

The Chiefs are not good enough to consider any game a "trap game"

They must play their best every week or they wont win.

[Dave Lane]

Nah. The Chiefs will win this one against the Browns.

But I fully expect them to be 2-2 after that.

If any game is a trap game. It's the San Fran game. They looked horrible last week against the Seahawks of all teams. They just aren't that bad, and we all know it.

Why do "we all know it"? I'm really not sold on SF like many have been. I think they are a middle of the pack kinda team. I think being back at Arrowhead the fans will be back in crazy mode especially if we win in Cleveland. I think it's a push game.

[Dayze]

Chiefs +2 last night. Haven't looked today.

legitimate question for my lack of gambling accumen...

what does "+2" mean?

[blaise]

If it's a trap game for either team, it's the Browns, just because they're at home and you should like your chances at home against similar teams.

[blaise]

legitimate question for my lack of gambling accumen...

what does "+2" mean?

Browns favored by two. Chiefs getting two points. Which, to me, means the teams here are basically equal and the spread is for home field.

[Hootie]

we aren't good enough to find ourselves in any trap games AND the Browns are favored to win...

[Saul Good]

legitimate question for my lack of gambling accumen...

what does "+2" mean?

It means that Vegas expects us to lose by 2.

[Dayze]

thanks gentlemen.

[Direckshun]

Every game is a trap game. Every game there exists the possibility for unfocused, undisciplined play by any player on any team.

What's the difference between some of the 2009 Chiefs blowout losses and this upcoming game? Why is this one a trap game? Because the Browns suck? That shouldn't have anything to do with it. We played like shit against the Broncos in game 1 and in both Charger games. I'll bet you the Browns could have beaten us in both of those games last year. Because our team had no concentration and played like shit.

If we lose to the Browns this week, I refuse to say, "Uhp! Trap game!" Trap games don't exist. Or rather, they do exist... they ARE sports.

Or something like that

Trap games are much more likely to happen (a.) after short weeks, and (b.) after fiery, emotional games. The Chiefs cannot maintain that energy for 16 weeks.

[Frazod]

It means that Vegas expects us to lose by 2.

It's almost a push, though. Generally a home team gets 3 points just for being at home.

I think we win this game. If we're really turning this thing around, we have to win this game. Cleveland's defense isn't San Diego's defense, and I think that made us look far worse on offense than we really are.

If we lose, however, we can pretty much count on not beating anybody else on the road either, because it won't get any easier than the Browns.

[Direckshun]

Kind of hard to trap a team that's only won 11 of their last 50 games. KC's still at the point where they can be the trapper, but not the trappee. I doubt they're going to take anybody lightly, I doubt they're going to get too high after any win or look ahead to any future games, and I doubt they're going to walk into any stadium cocky. Basically, at this stage of the game, if they lose, it's because they're not very good, not because they were trapped in any way.

Fair point.

[Bane]

Trap games are much more likely to happen (a.) after short weeks, and (b.) after fiery, emotional games. The Chiefs cannot maintain that energy for 16 weeks.

Fuggn closet Donkfan!

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

[Art Vader]

Crap* Game

[HC_Chief]

Can it really be considered a "trap game" when the teams are on par? Typically the term applies to the "let down" of a superior team to a lesser opponent.

[Coach]

I know Wallace is not a very strong passer, but there is one thing that he does have a clear advantage over Delhomme, and that is his legs. What I mean by that is that he has more speed to run, escape the pocket and run upfield.

That's another dimension that the Chiefs will have to prepare for. If it was Delhomme there, then I wouldn't stress too much over it. Personally, I'd rather face Delhomme instead of Wallace, becuase of that, IMHO.

[lcarus]

I honestly think we can play better than we did against SD. We missed a few huge opportunities to score in that game.

[Reerun_KC]

Spin things?

LMAO

You are one naive mother****er.

I would have to go to spin school for years to learn to spin things as proficiently as NFL coaches.

They are spin masters.

One would have to be if he took anything serious from this site....

[beer bacon]

Really?

[LaChapelle]

It's wednesday and no Browns fans talking shit yet
If the helmet toss game won't quiet their smack
a loss to the Bucs sure won't

[Chief3188]

I am worried about every game on our schedule as every Chiefs fan should be. Gone are the days where we can look at our schedule and say that should be an easy game because unfortunately we are until proven otherwise the team now that every other fan of good teams look at on their schedule and now say that should be an easy game.

Granted there are some games where I have the expectation of us going and getting our asses handed to us even with our improvement of the last 2 years where we just don't match up.

I thought last night was going to be one of those games but I had no idea our defense could play that well as I did not think we were that good yet and maybe we aren't but I think we are alot further along that many of us myself included thought they were.

[Chief3188]

I honestly think we can play better than we did against SD. We missed a few huge opportunities to score in that game.

Agreed. People just need to realize that we were good enough to beat SD in Week 1. We have just as much if not more upside to improve throughout the season than most teams as our team gets comfortable with their schemes and with playing with each other.

Granted it sucks there is nothing we can really do about Cassel right now but hopefully we will have a nice base of players to surround a new QB with next season.

[Chiefnj2]

Agreed. People just need to realize that we were good enough to beat SD in Week 1. We have just as much if not more upside to improve throughout the season than most teams as our team gets comfortable with their schemes and with playing with each other.



We are Chief fans. We've bought into "improvement' dozens of times before only to be kicked in the nuts and sent spiraling back down to reality.

[Chief3188]

We are Chief fans. We've bought into "improvement' dozens of times before only to be kicked in the nuts and sent spiraling back down to reality.

It's a difference to buy into the idea of improvement than to actually see it. I saw improvement from alot of players last night, I don't know about you.

[DaneMcCloud]

Why do "we all know it"? I'm really not sold on SF like many have been. I think they are a middle of the pack kinda team. I think being back at Arrowhead the fans will be back in crazy mode especially if we win in Cleveland. I think it's a push game.

I agree.

But with that said, this is a tough Chiefs team to gauge at this point. We know for certain that the Special Teams will be among the highest ranked units in the league, as will the running game.

But the question marks (and they are big questions, one game into the season) are the Defense and the Passing Game.

The defense looked unlike any other Chiefs defense this past decade and looked closer to an early to mid-90's Chiefs team. The intensity and ferocity was amazing to watch. Sure, there were a few mistakes made by Berry but that's to be expected in his first NFL game. The others, specifically DJ, Belcher, Dorsey, Smith and even Jackson, succeeded in playing as a focused, intense unit for the first time EVER. IF this trend continues, the Chiefs will be in every game this year and the defense will again put the offense in winning situations.

The bigger question is the passing game. We all saw how Cassel and the Chiefs struggled last year and in pre-season. They certainly struggled Monday night and I think everyone is aware that the Chiefs won't win many games with less than 75 yards passing.

I'd lean towards a Chiefs victory on Sunday against Cleveland but I think it'll take around eight games to answer these questions. And IF the Chiefs continue to play consistently on defense and the passing game continues to struggle, how long with Haley stick with Cassel?

[Chief3188]

I agree.

But with that said, this is a tough Chiefs team to gauge at this point. We know for certain that the Special Teams will be among the highest ranked units in the league, as will the running game.

But the question marks (and they are big questions, one game into the season) are the Defense and the Passing Game.

The defense looked unlike any other Chiefs defense this past decade and looked closer to an early to mid-90's Chiefs team. The intensity and ferocity was amazing to watch. Sure, there were a few mistakes made by Berry but that's to be expected in his first NFL game. The others, specifically DJ, Belcher, Dorsey, Smith and even Jackson, succeeded in playing as a focused, intense unit for the first time EVER. IF this trend continues, the Chiefs will be in every game this year and the defense will again put the offense in winning situations.

The bigger question is the passing game. We all saw how Cassel and the Chiefs struggled last year and in pre-season. They certainly struggled Monday night and I think everyone is aware that the Chiefs won't win many games with less than 75 yards passing.

I'd lean towards a Chiefs victory on Sunday against Cleveland but I think it'll take around eight games to answer these questions. And IF the Chiefs continue to play consistently on defense and the passing game continues to struggle, how long with Haley stick with Cassel?

I disagree about question marks in the passing game. I don't think there is any question that Haley, Pioli, Weis and even Clark know that they can't trust Cassel anymore. They gave him a shot and it was worth a 2nd round pick for him and Vrabel to try and find that guy but it just didn't work out. I believe they will limit him to being a game manager by mid-season as they confirm what they already know and then make a move next year whether in the draft, trade or FA to lead this team.

I think the question really lies with our WR's and TE's. Can these guys catch well enough to maybe hide some of Cassel's inefficiencies.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Who is worried about Berry? As a rook going up against Gates, I didn't expect him to have a great game. This week on the other hand. I think he shines!

I chalk it up to over-excitement. I think he was fired-up to the point that his emotion was getting the better of that super football brain he has. When he learns to play his game as the house is on fire, he'll be fine.

[Bane]

I disagree about question marks in the passing game. I don't think there is any question that Haley, Pioli, Weis and even Clark know that they can't trust Cassel anymore. They gave him a shot and it was worth a 2nd round pick for him and Vrabel to try and find that guy but it just didn't work out. I believe they will limit him to being a game manager by mid-season as they confirm what they already know and then make a move next year whether in the draft, trade or FA to lead this team.

I think the question really lies with our WR's and TE's. Can these guys catch well enough to maybe hide some of Cassel's inefficiencies.


Absolutely impossible in todays pass happy NFL.

[Fat Elvis]

http://i.bnet.com/blogs/its_a_trap.jpg

[HemiEd]

It means that Vegas expects us to lose by 2.

No, it means they think the betting will be about even, with the Browns being favored by two.

[Bane]

I chalk it up to over-excitement. I think he was fired-up to the point that his emotion was getting the better of that super football brain he has. When he learns to play his game as the house is on fire, he'll be fine.

Hmmmmm.Pro bowl tandem QB/TE vs rookie S....:hmmm: Nah it didn't bother me a bit.Rookies get schooled this way everyday,and the good ones learn from it.

[Coogs]

I disagree about question marks in the passing game. I don't think there is any question that Haley, Pioli, Weis and even Clark know that they can't trust Cassel anymore. They gave him a shot and it was worth a 2nd round pick for him and Vrabel to try and find that guy but it just didn't work out. I believe they will limit him to being a game manager by mid-season as they confirm what they already know and then make a move next year whether in the draft, trade or FA to lead this team.

I think the question really lies with our WR's and TE's. Can these guys catch well enough to maybe hide some of Cassel's inefficiencies.

I think he is already a game manager. I would guess the only time they are going to ask Cassel to try and win a game is a game where we have to have a TD with not much time on the clock. I will be stuned if they allow Cassel to throw the ball all over the yard in an attempt to win from the opening coin toss. Even against Manning in 3 or 4 weeks.

[HC_Chief]

No, it means they think the betting will be about even, with the Browns being favored by two.

Doesn't it mean we are actually favored since home teams usually get 3 points at open?

Not that it really matters; I wouldn't bet on this game! I have better uses for my money, like losing it in poker or craps ;)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think he is already a game assistant manager in training on the fry machine. I would guess the only time they are going to ask Cassel to try and win a game is a game where we have to have a TD with not much time on the clock. I will be stuned if they allow Cassel to throw the ball all over the yard in an attempt to win from the opening coin toss. Even against Manning in 3 or 4 weeks.

Fxd/Thx/Bye!:D

[Coogs]

Fxd/Thx/Bye!:D;)

[vailpass]

Trap game? Don't you have to be overhwelmingly better than the other team to qualify for a trap game?

[Bane]

Trap game? Don't you have to be overhwelmingly better than the other team to qualify for a trap game?

That's kinda what I thought constituted a "trap" game.

Like Indy getting beat by KC (stop laughing) would be considered a trap game.

[DaneMcCloud]

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Jake Delhomme wore a walking boot on Tuesday, two days after injuring his right ankle in the 17-14 loss against Tampa Bay, according to a league source.

But the club had no update on whether Delhomme had an MRI exam or its results.

The source said that all indications are that backup Seneca Wallace could receive the bulk of reps with the No. 1 offense Wednesday in preparation for Sunday's home opener against Kansas City. Delhomme will begin the work week probably listed as questionable.

Personally, I'd have rather seen the Chiefs face Delhomme. He's been absolutely awful as of late and the Chiefs defense would have come up with at least one (if not more) INT's.

Seneca Wallace is far more mobile and is a decent passer. He gave the Chiefs all they could handle back in 2006 and he's certainly improved since then.

[HC_Chief]

Personally, I'd have rather seen the Chiefs face Delhomme. He's been absolutely awful as of late and the Chiefs defense would have come up with at least one (if not more) INT's.

Seneca Wallace is far more mobile and is a decent passer. He gave the Chiefs all they could handle back in 2006 and he's certainly improved since then.

Agreed. Delhomme is putrid.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What's up with Jim Brown?

[DaneMcCloud]

What's up with Jim Brown?

He's pissed because Holmgren put a muzzle on him and reduced his role with the club.

[milkman]

What's up with Jim Brown?

Butthurt over a change of responsibility with the Browns when Holmgren took over.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He's pissed because Holmgren put a muzzle on him and reduced his role with the club.

Butthurt over a change of responsibility with the Browns when Holmgren took over.

Thanks. He got Peeholeed.

[DeezNutz]

I think he is already a game manager. I would guess the only time they are going to ask Cassel to try and win a game is a game where we have to have a TD with not much time on the clock. I will be stuned if they allow Cassel to throw the ball all over the yard in an attempt to win from the opening coin toss. Even against Manning in 3 or 4 weeks.

He is absolutely NOT a game manager. As evidence, the SD game was the ideal situation for a game manager to succeed. This type of player keeps the offense on the field for a few series and allows the team to punt from the 50, rather than the 20, thus allowing the defense to rest and field position to improve.

Don't confuse the lack of an INT, though he certainly tried to accommodate the Chargers in this respect, with Cassel being a game manager.

What he is, however, is a below replacement-level QB.

[Bane]

Wallace and his career stats.Now I'm not a saturbater (is that new? whatever) but this just makes it easier for me to believe he will not beat us as their QB.He has just over 3500 yards passing in 7 years and I've watched plenty of Seattle games when he was there.I see him making a few runs,maybe a few passes and then he'll get picked just like we're hoping Delhomme would do.KC-21 CLE-10
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/Seneca-Wallace/ab07821d-15bc-4edf-87b4-4e313f7c5e43

[DaneMcCloud]

He is absolutely NOT a game manager.

I completely agree.

I didn't really want to delve into this topic but if the Chiefs HAD a game manager, I think they'd be looking at 8+ wins easily this year. I don't even think that would be in question.

The question with a true game manager this season would be how far could he take the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Not whether they'd even reach .500.

[DaneMcCloud]

Wallace and his career stats.Now I'm not a saturbater (is that new? whatever) but this just makes it easier for me to believe he will not beat us as their QB.He has just over 3500 yards passing in 7 years and I've watched plenty of Seattle games when he was there.I see him making a few runs,maybe a few passes and then he'll get picked just like we're hoping Delhomme would do.KC-21 CLE-10
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/Seneca-Wallace/ab07821d-15bc-4edf-87b4-4e313f7c5e43

In the 2006 game at Arrowhead, he was was pretty damn good. If the guy were 3 inches taller, he'd be a starting QB in the league and probably successful.

I hold out hope that Delhomme starts.

[Amnorix]

Trap game? I don't want to be mean about this, but the Chiefs have, what, 7 wins since teh start of the 2008 season? There's no such thing as trap games for the team. Your club is climbing out of a deep, dark place, and nothing at all can be taken for granted during that struggle.

[FAX]

Wow. One win and we're a game manager away from the playoffs? The Homer Virus is loose and running wild!!!

Guys, we're not that good, yet. We're inexperienced all over the place ... and where we're not, we're old. This defense is still suspect and the offense is a huge question mark. Romeo and Weis can only do so much.

There's also the injury issue ... young guys (especially midgets) don't know how to protect themselves as effectively as veterans ... we can expect some injuries.

Throttle back on the expectations and enjoy a nice, slow ride to 5 or 6 wins ... that's my advice.

FAX THE REALISTIC

[milkman]

I completely agree.

I didn't really want to delve into this topic but if the Chiefs HAD a game manager, I think they'd be looking at 8+ wins easily this year. I don't even think that would be in question.

The question with a true game manager this season would be how far could he take the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Not whether they'd even reach .500.

After watching the preseason and Monday night, I'd also say this team is capable of 8-9 wins.

I still believe that Cassel is the difference between a 6 win team (adjusted because of the win Monday) and an 8-9 win team.

We are not going to score on special teams every game, and the defense, while improved, is not going to create turnovers that set the offense up inside the 20 every game.

We are going to need a QB who is capable of moving the chains, and we don't have that.

[milkman]

Trap game? I don't want to be mean about this, but the Chiefs have, what, 7 wins since teh start of the 2008 season? There's no such thing as trap games for the team. Your club is climbing out of a deep, dark place, and nothing at all can be taken for granted during that struggle.

I have to point out that this is a repost......of a repost.....of a repost.....etc.....

[Bane]

In the 2006 game at Arrowhead, he was was pretty damn good. If the guy were 3 inches taller, he'd be a starting QB in the league and probably successful.

I hold out hope that Delhomme starts.

Not trying to argue but 1 game at Arrowhead 3+ years ago is supposed to sway me into fearing his abilities? Sorry man,I'm not buying it.I understand the type of QB he is (in theory) can give us hell but this kid has never lived up to the hype IMO.I hope Wallace does start.I welcome the challenge to our defense,and I believe they kick his ass.Homer? Maybe......Realist? Definitely.

[EyePod]

I'm not sure you could call it a "trap" game. I thought that was a term used to describe games where the favored team comes in overconfident or something. I don't know what the line is ... or will be ... but we might not even be favored to win outright. It is, after all, a road game and the Chiefs (of late) haven't exactly been dominating on the road.

FAX

Lines -1.5 as of this morning. I think we blow em out of the water. Statistics of the NFL recently have shown that really good teams easily handle bad teams and win close games against good teams.

We are much better than the Browns. We just can't let Cassel lose the game for us.

[EyePod]

Wow. One win and we're a game manager away from the playoffs? The Homer Virus is loose and running wild!!!

Guys, we're not that good, yet. We're inexperienced all over the place ... and where we're not, we're old. This defense is still suspect and the offense is a huge question mark. Romeo and Weis can only do so much.

There's also the injury issue ... young guys (especially midgets) don't know how to protect themselves as effectively as veterans ... we can expect some injuries.

Throttle back on the expectations and enjoy a nice, slow ride to 5 or 6 wins ... that's my advice.

FAX THE REALISTIC

BOOOO Start your morning with some Kool-Aid FAX!

But really, I can't disagree that much with how much a good QB would impact us. Think about if we had a non-retard QB on Monday night. Game would have been a blow out. Or at least a few extra FG's on top of what the end score was.

[Hootie]

That's kinda what I thought constituted a "trap" game.

Like Indy getting beat by KC (stop laughing) would be considered a trap game.

that would be an upset...

a trap game would be something like...

no one giving KC a chance to beat Indy @ Indy and Indy overlooking KC because they have Houston on the schedule the very next week.

[Bane]

that would be an upset...

a trap game would be something like...

no one giving KC a chance to beat Indy @ Indy and Indy overlooking KC because they have Houston on the schedule the very next week.

Yeah maybe that's a better example.Still though as bad as both teams have been in the past few years,clearly this is not a trap game for anyone.ROFL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Off one of the Browns boards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-bB-PSbGk

Solid takes.

[DaneMcCloud]

Wow. One win and we're a game manager away from the playoffs? The Homer Virus is loose and running wild!!!

Absolutely.

Take a game manager in the Chiefs division, Kyle Orton for example.

Orton had 21TD's and 12 INT's for an 8-8 team last year, a team that went 2-6 to close out the season. He didn't and doesn't have near the offensive weapons that the Chiefs have, nor the coaching staff nor the Special Teams.

But if he can QB the Broncos to 8-8 with that team, he'd most certainly QB the Chiefs to a 9 or 10 win season.

Guys, we're not that good, yet. We're inexperienced all over the place ... and where we're not, we're old. This defense is still suspect and the offense is a huge question mark. Romeo and Weis can only do so much.

You've just described most of the league. Most of today's teams are a mixture of veterans and youth, although some more than others.

I don't think the Chiefs are any different.

There's also the injury issue ... young guys (especially midgets) don't know how to protect themselves as effectively as veterans ... we can expect some injuries.

Every team experiences injuries throughout the year but I have a feeling the Chiefs will be more protective of Charles, McCluster and Arenas due to their special playmaking abilities.

Throttle back on the expectations and enjoy a nice, slow ride to 5 or 6 wins ... that's my advice.

FAX THE REALISTIC

If this team only wins 5 or 6 games, it'll be because of the play of the quarterback.

[Huffman83]

I just think the same front 7 from last year remembers Cleveland.

I say it's on!

I hope the offense plays like it did last year against the Browns, but the D steps it up again like they did Monday night.

[FAX]

I think there are reasons to be optimistic, Mr. DaneMcCloud. Crennel and Weis are two, for example. Then, there is the fact that Haley has a year under his belt, there's the secondary, the improved play we just witnessed by the defensive front 7 (or 6), special teams, and the potentiality of our run game ... those are all good reasons to be hopeful.

On the other hand, we have an enormous learning curve ahead of us at key positions, not every game will be played before a packed, raucous Arrowhead, and enemy defenses will game plan to stop the run and force Cassel to beat them.

We still have issues ... lots of them. The Chiefs are still a work in progress. A team that starts a whole bunch of rookies (either on offense or defense) can expect inconsistent play ... and that's what I expect.

FAX

[DaneMcCloud]

I think there are reasons to be optimistic, Mr. DaneMcCloud. Crennel and Weis are two, for example. Then, there is the fact that Haley has a year under his belt, there's the secondary, the improved play we just witnessed by the defensive front 7 (or 6), special teams, and the potentiality of our run game ... those are all good reasons to be hopeful.

On the other hand, we have an enormous learning curve ahead of us at key positions, not every game will be played before a packed, raucous Arrowhead, and enemy defenses will game plan to stop the run and force Cassel to beat them.

We still have issues ... lots of them. The Chiefs are still a work in progress. A team that starts a whole bunch of rookies (either on offense or defense) can expect inconsistent play ... and that's what I expect.

FAX

I expect some inconsistent play but with even "Game Manager" type QB, many of those inconsistencies wouldn't be detrimental in determining a win or a loss.

As of now, the Chiefs need to play flawlessly on defense and special teams, and hope the QB doesn't lose the game (see Monday night).

As a fan, that's frustrating. I'd bet as a coaching staff, it's even moreso.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I expect some inconsistent play but with even "Game Manager" type QB, many of those inconsistencies wouldn't be detrimental in determining a win or a loss.

As of now, the Chiefs need to play flawlessly on defense and special teams, and hope the QB doesn't lose the game (see Monday night).

As a fan, that's frustrating. I'd bet as a coaching staff, it's even moreso.

Standard issue, Weis on down:

http://www.citysackers.com/images/Pepto%20Bismol%20Original.jpg


Weis' new favorite lunch, the "Cassel Burger"!

http://leighhouse.typepad.com/advergirl/images/alka_seltzer_burger_1.jpg

[ModSocks]

Wallace and his career stats.Now I'm not a saturbater (is that new? whatever) but this just makes it easier for me to believe he will not beat us as their QB.He has just over 3500 yards passing in 7 years and I've watched plenty of Seattle games when he was there.I see him making a few runs,maybe a few passes and then he'll get picked just like we're hoping Delhomme would do.KC-21 CLE-10
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/Seneca-Wallace/ab07821d-15bc-4edf-87b4-4e313f7c5e43

Is a Saturbater someone who only masturbates on Saturdays? If so, I could never join that club...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Is a Saturbater someone who only masturbates on Saturdays? If so, I could never join that club...

You RACK-A DISHIPRINE!!!!

http://shanghaiist.com/attachments/shang_jay/0807chang.gif


And so do I...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Standard issue, Weis on down:

http://www.citysackers.com/images/Pepto%20Bismol%20Original.jpg


Weis' new favorite lunch, the "Cassel Burger"!

http://leighhouse.typepad.com/advergirl/images/alka_seltzer_burger_1.jpg

Nonsense...Weis uses donuts as hamburger buns :D

[Bane]

Nonsense...Weis uses donuts as hamburger buns :D

I've heard that it's really good,but I just can't bring myself to try it.:eek:
It's like my lil bro,he likes chocolate chip cookies and sour cream.Yeah I like both,but not together!:Lin:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I've heard that it's really good,but I just can't bring myself to try it.:eek:
It's like my lil bro,he likes chocolate chip cookies and sour cream.Yeah I like both,but not together!:Lin:

God, that would be wretched.

[Bane]

God, that would be wretched.

I know....I thought about it,sat down at the table with them.......Nope....Fugg it!

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I've heard that it's really good,but I just can't bring myself to try it.:eek:
It's like my lil bro,he likes chocolate chip cookies and sour cream.Yeah I like both,but not together!:Lin:

Heard the same thing about the donut burgers, but never indulged. The sour cream cookies sound disgusting though.

[keg in kc]

I completely agree.

I didn't really want to delve into this topic but if the Chiefs HAD a game manager, I think they'd be looking at 8+ wins easily this year. I don't even think that would be in question.

The question with a true game manager this season would be how far could he take the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Not whether they'd even reach .500.My opinion of the team hasn't changed since Monday night's game. I think in a lot of ways it was an aberration. I don't think we'll see that kind of performance from the defense again and I don't think we'll see that kind of performance from the offense again, either.

On the d side, it's nigh on miraculous to only give up 14 points when you're on the field for nearly 40 minutes. I don't think there was anything flukey about it, but they won't have that crowd or in all likelihood those weather conditions again, and I believe we're still looking at a unit that's going to top out somewhere in the low teens or upper twenties. There were times in that game where SD was moving the ball at will, and I think we're going to see that from time-to-time this year.

As far as the offense goes, a lot of focus is on the passing game, deservedly so, but the running game wasn't exactly rolling either, although it was obviously light years ahead of the quarterback and receiver play. But I think the 5.2 average was a little misleading - one carry went for 56 yards and the other 25 went for 79. I expect we'll see a better, more consistent running game going forward. As for the passing game, while that's probably not going to be the worst game Cassel has this year - he's going to have a game at some point where he has 3 picks, 'cause well, all QBs have games like that... - I'd be really surprised if we saw that kind of passing again this season. I don't expect them to go out and average 275 yards/game for the next 15 weeks, but I don't expect that they'll be under 75 again, either.

In the end, I think they're still what I expected them to be, which is an improving team that still has some issues to contend with on both sides of the ball. And I don't think they're a playoff team regardless of who's at quarterback, short of Manning or Brees or someone of that cream of the crop ilk, somebody good enough to literally win you a handful of games, because I think all those elements that made the SD game an aberration will even out by the end of the season. The defense is probably going to fall off a bit, and the offense is probably going to pick up a bit, and they're probably going to end up winning the 6 or 7 games I expected all along.

Although one potential positive that I maybe shouldn't overlook is the fact that they did find a way to beat San Diego against all odds, so maybe they're a team that's finally on their way to learning how to win games, and that might have an impact.

[DaneMcCloud]

My opinion of the team hasn't changed since Monday night's game. I think in a lot of ways it was an aberration. I don't think we'll see that kind of performance from the defense again and I don't think we'll see that kind of performance from the offense again, either.

On the d side, it's nigh on miraculous to only give up 14 points when you're on the field for nearly 40 minutes. I don't think there was anything flukey about it, but they won't have that crowd or in all likelihood those weather conditions again, and I believe we're still looking at a unit that's going to top out somewhere in the low teens or upper twenties. There were times in that game where SD was moving the ball at will, and I think we're going to see that from time-to-time this year.

As far as the offense goes, a lot of focus is on the passing game, deservedly so, but the running game wasn't exactly rolling either, although it was obviously light years ahead of the quarterback and receiver play. But I think the 5.2 average was a little misleading - one carry went for 56 yards and the other 25 went for 79. I expect we'll see a better, more consistent running game going forward. As for the passing game, while that's probably not going to be the worst game Cassel has this year - he's going to have a game at some point where he has 3 picks, 'cause well, all QBs have games like that... - I'd be really surprised if we saw that kind of passing again this season. I don't expect them to go out and average 275 yards/game for the next 15 weeks, but I don't expect that they'll be under 75 again, either.

In the end, I think they're still what I expected them to be, which is an improving team that still has some issues to contend with on both sides of the ball. And I don't think they're a playoff team regardless of who's at quarterback, short of Manning or Brees or someone of that cream of the crop ilk, somebody good enough to literally win you a handful of games, because I think all those elements that made the SD game an aberration will even out by the end of the season. The defense is probably going to fall off a bit, and the offense is probably going to pick up a bit, and they're probably going to end up winning the 6 or 7 games I expected all along.

Although one potential positive that I maybe shouldn't overlook is the fact that they did find a way to beat San Diego against all odds, so maybe they're a team that's finally on their way to learning how to win games, and that might have an impact.

I agree with most of what you said but I believe that if this team can win 7 with Cassel, it could easily win 9 with a so-called "real" QB, whether it's a game manager like Orton or a Top Five guy like Brees.

The play of the QB can certainly make up for mistakes made in other phases of the game.

[keg in kc]

I agree with most of what you said but I believe that if this team can win 7 with Cassel, it could easily win 9 with a so-called "real" QB, whether it's a game manager like Orton or a Top Five guy like Brees.I get the logic, but unfortunately (or should I say fortunately?), until something Cassel does/doesn't do actually costs them a game, it's hard to support that argument. Because as poorly as he played, they're still 1-0. Maybe they'd be a prettier 1-0 with another QB, but 1-0 is 1-0. And while I'm not and never have been a fan of his, one game's an insufficient sample size for 2010. He may not play like that again all season. Or he may. Impossible to say right now. I'd say the odds are that the game was an aberration for him, but who knows. Maybe he really has gotten markedly worse from last season despite improvement of the team around him. Stranger things have happened.

[DaneMcCloud]

I get the logic, but unfortunately (or should I say fortunately?), until something Cassel does/doesn't do actually costs them a game, it's hard to support that argument. Because as poorly as he played, they're still 1-0. Maybe they'd be a prettier 1-0 with another QB, but 1-0 is 1-0. And while I'm not and never have been a fan of his, one game's an insufficient sample size for 2010. He may not play like that again all season. Or he may. Impossible to say right now. I'd say the odds are that the game was an aberration for him, but who knows. Maybe he really has gotten markedly worse from last season despite improvement of the team around him. Stranger things have happened.

I mentioned earlier in the thread (or maybe another thread - I can't remember), but I think it's possible that we may not get a feel for this team until eight weeks into the season. So many things have changed since January that it'll be difficult to predict whether or not the defense has made a leap or if it's the quality of opponent or even the conditions of the game.

I'm cautiously optimistic that they're heading in the right direction but I still feel this exact team would fare better with an average QB.

[FAX]

Honestly, it goes without saying that a better quarterback would result in a better team. And, as much as I would like to strap Cassel to the underside of a flaming, giant, prehistoric kangaroo, I think we're going to see other "flaws" pop up as the season unfolds.

We have a very young secondary and, as talented as they are, enemy offenses are going to find a way to exploit their lack of experience ... and that's just one example. Then, you have to face the fact that, if defenses commit to stopping our run game (which they will), we'll be forced to fling it ... and there's no telling what direction we're going to fling it in. Then, of course, there's the whole "run defense" thing ... have we really improved so much against the run? I kinda doubt it.

FAX

[Hootie]

I don't like Matt Cassel at all but he's not nearly as bad as the way we presented him on Monday night...

we got up by two scores...the conditions were terrible...and our inexperienced head coach/team went into panic mode...

and we decided we were going to make Rivers beat us rather than give Cassel an opportunity at all to make that one big mistake...

It is what it is...

I expect Cassel to put up the following line this weekend:

14-25 185 1 TD 1 INT

and the Chiefs will win 20-13

IMHO

[Hootie]

lets put it this way...

the Browns blew a game they had won...

we tried to blow a game we had won...

but we won, they lost

we're getting all sorts of pub, we're at an emotional high...

They are not.

That's going to be the deciding factor this week...we have the momentum going into the week.

[DaneMcCloud]

We have a very young secondary and, as talented as they are, enemy offenses are going to find a way to exploit their lack of experience ... and that's just one example. Then, you have to face the fact that, if defenses commit to stopping our run game (which they will), we'll be forced to fling it ... and there's no telling what direction we're going to fling it in. Then, of course, there's the whole "run defense" thing ... have we really improved so much against the run? I kinda doubt it.

FAX

Exactly, why which most people are predicting 5-7 wins, even with the "ease" of schedule, if you buy into such a thing.

But as I said earlier, a true game manager could get this team to nine wins or more.

One of the more interesting story lines this season will the length of Cassel's leash. By bringing in Crennel and Weis, it's clear that the Chiefs want to win soon, if not now.

If Cassel is holding the team back from winning, does Haley have the juice to bench him?

[keg in kc]

I mentioned earlier in the thread (or maybe another thread - I can't remember), but I think it's possible that we may not get a feel for this team until eight weeks into the season. So many things have changed since January that it'll be difficult to predict whether or not the defense has made a leap or if it's the quality of opponent or even the conditions of the game.I definitely agree with that. I don't think we'll have a real picture until much later in the season.

[keg in kc]

If Cassel is holding the team back from winning, does Haley have the juice to bench him?I don't think it's a matter of juice, it's a matter of not having anybody behind him. They'll need to acquire a quarterback if they want to bench him. Croyle's no solution.

[Bane]

I don't think it's a matter of juice, it's a matter of not having anybody behind him. They'll need to acquire a quarterback if they want to bench him. Croyle's no solution.

Great post IMO.Brodie comes in and plays great,but gets injured.The other kid isn't near ready,and may never be....As bad as I hate to say it,right now with the players we have on the roster,Cassel is our only hope at QB.....Thats' just sad.:shake:

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't think it's a matter of juice, it's a matter of not having anybody behind him. They'll need to acquire a quarterback if they want to bench him. Croyle's no solution.

Great post IMO.Brodie comes in,plays great,but gets injured.The other kid isn't near ready,and may never be....As bad as I hate to say it,right now with the players we have on the roster,Cassel is our only hope at QB.....Thats' just sad.:shake:

Well, the trading deadline isn't until October 19th...

[keg in kc]

Well, the trading deadline isn't until October 19th...My dream of the Patriots going insane and trading Brady to us died horribly last week. :doh!:

[Bane]

Well, the trading deadline isn't until October 19th...

I know but they wont do it.I still say we live and die with Cassel this year and probably next year as well.

[keg in kc]

I know but they wont do it.I still say we live and die with Cassel this year and probably next year as well.It's just a guess, and I know some folks disagree, but I believe if they die with Cassel this year, we'll have another starter in 2011. These guys do not strike me as the kind of personnel people who'll leave a guy in place if he can't get the job done, regardless of how much money they gave him or how much they love him as a person. Mike Brown out the door and two rookie safeties playing tells me that much.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It's just a guess, and I know some folks disagree, but I believe if they die with Cassel this year, we'll have another starter in 2011. These guys do not strike me as the kind of personnel people who'll leave a guy in place if he can't get the job done, regardless of how much money they gave him or how much they love him as a person. Mike Brown out the door and two rookie safeties playing tells me that much.

This.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's just a guess, and I know some folks disagree, but I believe if they die with Cassel this year, we'll have another starter in 2011. These guys do not strike me as the kind of personnel people who'll leave a guy in place if he can't get the job done, regardless of how much money they gave him or how much they love him as a person. Mike Brown out the door and two rookie safeties playing tells me that much.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think that Clark Hunt will want to pay for a $7.5 million dollar roster bonus if his QB ends up with a QB rating of less than 90 this year.

Plus, I think Weis would go apeshit.

[Hootie]

Plus, I think Weis would go apeshit.

Good...this further proves to me that Weis did not want Clausen as a QB.

[DaneMcCloud]

Good...this further proves to me that Weis did not want Clausen as a QB.

I don't know how you call that "proof".

Look, I'm not saying Weis did or didn't want Clausen. But until Charlie Weis states one way or the other, we're all left to speculate.

But, riddle me this: If Charlie Weis DIDN'T want Clausen, a guy he recruited and coached for years, what DOES Charlie Weis look for and want in a quarterback?

[Bane]

It's just a guess, and I know some folks disagree, but I believe if they die with Cassel this year, we'll have another starter in 2011. These guys do not strike me as the kind of personnel people who'll leave a guy in place if he can't get the job done, regardless of how much money they gave him or how much they love him as a person. Mike Brown out the door and two rookie safeties playing tells me that much.

Then I hope that you are right.
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[the Talking Can]

It's just a guess, and I know some folks disagree, but I believe if they die with Cassel this year, we'll have another starter in 2011. These guys do not strike me as the kind of personnel people who'll leave a guy in place if he can't get the job done, regardless of how much money they gave him or how much they love him as a person. Mike Brown out the door and two rookie safeties playing tells me that much.

my brain believes this

but my heart says "when KC drafts a QB it will be the first time (for all intents)"



and if we ditch cassel for yet another team's QB trash....well...you won't see me around because i will have thrown myself off arrowhead wearing a Train t-shirt...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I'm with Kyle. I don't believe for a second that we'll keep Cassel if he has the same year as last year. This is not the Carl Peterson regime. Winning is everything to this new regime. They won't let one player stop them from getting to where they want to go. I trust that.

[Farzin]

Who is worried about Berry? As a rook going up against Gates, I didn't expect him to have a great game. This week on the other hand. I think he shines!

I thought overall, he played exceptionally well. Covered Gates well when they out double coverage on him.

[StcChief]

could be a Trap game. this is on Coaches to prep correct. get past the W and play 1 game at a time.

[keg in kc]

my brain believes this

but my heart says "when KC drafts a QB it will be the first time (for all intents)"



and if we ditch cassel for yet another team's QB trash....well...you won't see me around because i will have thrown myself off arrowhead wearing a Train t-shirt...I don't believe they'll draft one. I think it will be a trade or a free agent signing.

What we need is a situation like Brees with San Diego a few years ago, when the Saints were able to get him. But I have no idea who or where that would be. And I'd be fine with trash of that kind, where we're taking a starting-calibre player (although I have to admit I was never a Brees fan prior to 2009 - Trent Green in my mind falls into this category too, as a starter who lost him job due to injury). What I don't want is another situation where we're taking a team's backup and plugging him in to start, a la Bono or Grbac or Cassel.

[FAX]

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think that Clark Hunt will want to pay for a $7.5 million dollar roster bonus if his QB ends up with a QB rating of less than 90 this year.

Plus, I think Weis would go apeshit.

Isn't it $17.5 million? I thought it was almost $18 million which is closer to $17.5 million than $7.5 million or $5 million or tree fitty, for that matter.

FAX

[FAX]

It's just a guess, and I know some folks disagree, but I believe if they die with Cassel this year, we'll have another starter in 2011. These guys do not strike me as the kind of personnel people who'll leave a guy in place if he can't get the job done, regardless of how much money they gave him or how much they love him as a person. Mike Brown out the door and two rookie safeties playing tells me that much.

I completely agree with this logic.

I cannot envision a circumstance in which they try to continue to "develop" Cassel if he does not improve this year. No way.

It would take a very large nutsack indeed for Pioli to ask Clark to write that bonus check to Cassel after he posts a QB rating of 70 for the year. Clark may be tiny little fellah, but he's not stupid.

FAX

[DaneMcCloud]

Isn't it $17.5 million? I thought it was almost $18 million which is closer to $17.5 million than $7.5 million or $5 million or tree fitty, for that matter.

FAX

Here's his contract details:

7/14/2009: Signed a six-year, $63 million contract. The deal contains $28 million guaranteed, including a $10 million roster bonus in the first year.

2010: $11.75 million (plus a $250,000 workout bonus)

2011: $4.75 million (plus a $7.5 million option bonus)

2012: $5.25 million

2013: $7.5 million

2014: $9 million

2015: Free Agent

[the Talking Can]

I don't believe they'll draft one. I think it will be a trade or a free agent signing.



that excites me about as much as Mike Tyson asking if he can use my scrotum for a speed bag...

jesus god we've acquired every type of backup, retread, flash in the pan bench warmer the league has to offer...if pioli follows up this tragic mistake by simply repeating it...well...nothing..just more wasted years...

[keg in kc]

that excites me about as much as Mike Tyson asking if he can use my scrotum for a speed bag...

jesus god we've acquired every type of backup, retread, flash in the pan bench warmer the league has to offer...if pioli follows up this tragic mistake by simply repeating it...well...nothing..just more wasted years...Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst...

[Frankie]

If Delhomme is out and either Seneca Wallace or Colt McCoy is the QB, then no, I am not worried.

Actually I'd worry more about Seneca Wallace than Jake Delhomme.

[the Talking Can]

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst...

they should have that engraved at every entrance to Arrowhead


kind of a gentler "Abandon all hope..."

[the Talking Can]

Delhomme is a choking int throwing piece of crap



i hope he plays

[FAX]

Here's his contract details:

7/14/2009: Signed a six-year, $63 million contract. The deal contains $28 million guaranteed, including a $10 million roster bonus in the first year.

2010: $11.75 million (plus a $250,000 workout bonus)

2011: $4.75 million (plus a $7.5 million option bonus)

2012: $5.25 million

2013: $7.5 million

2014: $9 million

2015: Free Agent

Hmmm. We're missing some money ... unless my brain is defunct ... which is entirely possible.

How much was he paid in 2009 besides the 10 million dollar first year bonus? Do you know?

FAX

[DaneMcCloud]

Hmmm. We're missing some money ... unless my brain is defunct ... which is entirely possible.

How much was he paid in 2009 besides the 10 million dollar first year bonus? Do you know?

FAX

His "salary" was $7.5 million, hence the $28 million guaranteed in the first two years ($7.5+10+12).

[FAX]

His "salary" was $7.5 million, hence the $28 million guaranteed in the first two years ($7.5+10+12).

Okay ... that adds up.

All this time, I've believed his bonus after this year was just south of 18 million. Must have thought I'd seen that somewhere and believed what I misread.

Thanks for straightening me out.

FAX

[Chiefnj2]

People keep saying that "this administration" will never admit it made a mistake with Cassel and keep him for another year or two. Why? What previous decisions did Pioli make that lead people to that conclusion? When did Pioli insist on playing an underachieving player?

[DaneMcCloud]

Okay ... that adds up.

All this time, I've believed his bonus after this year was just south of 18 million. Must have thought I'd seen that somewhere and believed what I misread.

Thanks for straightening me out.

FAX

You're welcome. :D

[keg in kc]

People keep saying that "this administration" will never admit it made a mistake with Cassel and keep him for another year or two. Why? What previous decisions did Pioli make that lead people to that conclusion? When did Pioli insist on playing an underachieving player?It's his EGO!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It's his EGOLI!

JWhit misses teh Planet.:D

[Bane]

JWhit misses teh Planet.:D

I bet he's had one of those doughnut burgers!
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I bet he's had one of those doughnut burgers!
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:LOL:

[Goldmember]

Right now 30% chance of rain in Cleveland. HAHA

[Joe Seahawk]

Are the Chiefs good enough to have a "trap game" ?

Great game the other night, awesome 12th man presence.

[KC Jones]

Are the Chiefs good enough to have a "trap game" ?

Great game the other night, awesome 12th man presence.

Absolutely not good enough to have a "trap" game with any team in the league. At best we're evenly matched with the Browns and probably belong the in bottom 3rd of the NFL.

I think the Chiefs will be a dangerous team this year, because we have some explosive players, great STs, and an improved defense. No way this team can line up and dominate a game though. I'll be ecstatic if we climb to 8-8, but am expecting a 6-10 season.

[58-4ever]

Are the Chiefs good enough to have a "trap game" ?

Great game the other night, awesome 12th man presence.

Only if your talking about the 65 toss power trap. :D

[CoMoChief]

People keep saying that "this administration" will never admit it made a mistake with Cassel and keep him for another year or two. Why? What previous decisions did Pioli make that lead people to that conclusion? When did Pioli insist on playing an underachieving player?

well you could say that Vrable starting is a head scratcher.

Studebaker is clearly better.

[Frankie]

Only if your talking about the 65 toss power trap. :D

While metriculating down the field.

[CoMoChief]

Here's what I will say about the game.

It's going to be shitty ass weather again from what I've heard and read. Cleveland has a pretty good secondary with Brown and Wright. They also have that rookie out of Florida as well. To top that off, our WR's aren't exactly great and our passing game isn't even close to gelling yet. These aren't exactly good conditions to try and have Cassel beat them on the road w/ his arm. I bet we go ultra conservative again and try to make CLE stop our running game. Maybe make some plays on defense and ST. I truly believe that's our motto this year. It's gonna have to be, our QB sucks and the coaches know it.

Our defense HAS to stop the run and play like mon night. We can NOT allow another meltdown and let Jarome Harrison run like OJ Simpson on us or let Cribbs break one to the house. If KC does that they have zero chance winning this game. It's their home opener, the Dog Pound will be rocking I'm sure. And I don't think I'm the only one who fears Seneca Wallace more than Jake Delhomme. I'm not sure if they still run a 34 or not, if so, that may give our running game some problems. Who knows, we will see.

[keg in kc]

I didn't realize that San Francisco hosted New Orleans Monday night.

That could really play to our advantage.

Sunday's game is really big for us.

[Marcellus]

I'm a superfan of NFL .I have many pics of M&B jerseys.Contact email:brandon.marshall512@gmail.com

ROFL Yea, not only spam but spam with a Brandon Marshall email address.ROFL