Mark Schlereth stabs donk nation in the back

[Mr. Laz]

ROFL

Mark Schlereth on Mike & Mike this morning discussing the advantage of crowd noise at NFL Stadiums: "In Denver...we always talked about Denver having the greatest fans in the world. That's the loudest stadium, Kansas City, that I've ever played in. It was ridiculous:"
Mike & Mike in the Morning: 9/16/10, comment at 4:00 mark (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd=1#/podcenter/?id=5578988&autoplay=1&callsign=ESPNRADIO)


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[Lzen]

He's not stabbing them in the back. He's just telling the truth.

Suck it, Donkeys! :)

[SPATCH]

Preach my noriega. Preach.

[siberian khatru]

Bronco fans actually create higher decibels, but the human ear cannot detect them at such a high altitude. /Knowmo

[tk13]

That's why I'm glad we renovated instead of building a new stadium. It probably wouldn't have had the same atmosphere. Probably an underrated point from the other night.
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[Lzen]

That's why I'm glad we renovated instead of building a new stadium. It probably wouldn't have had the same atmosphere. Probably an underrated point from the other night.
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Great point. I have said the same thing. They modeled it, I believe, after the Packers renovation of a few years ago.

[Skyy God]

Camerohead FTW.

[Param]

That's why I'm glad we renovated instead of building a new stadium. It probably wouldn't have had the same atmosphere. Probably an underrated point from the other night.
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Old Mile High was much louder than the new Invesco. Now you have expensive tickets, denver season ticket holders whoring out their individual game tickets to the highest bidder, and the new mile high just isn't the same anymore. That old dump mile high was way louder.

[LaChapelle]

Mile High still has the loudest colors of any NFL stadium
NTTIAWWT

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Everyone says their fans are the loudest in the league. Players and coaches say Kansas City is the loudest in the league. Stadium dynamics, rabid fans, who gives a shit? We get it done.

[POND_OF_RED]

He's not stabbing them in the back. He's just telling the truth.

Suck it, Donkeys! :)

This. I wasn't even aware that it was a debating point.

[PhillyChiefFan]

Everyone says their fans are the loudest in the league. Players and coaches say Kansas City is the loudest in the league. Stadium dynamics, rabid fans, who gives a shit? We get it done.

Look at how much we pissed off poor Phillip Rivers! I loved it when he kicked the ball out of frustration.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Look at how much we pissed off poor Phillip Rivers! I loved it when he kicked the ball out of frustration.

Yeah. It'd really break my heart if he alienated some of his teammates that night over Arrowhead's crowd. Now that motherfucker knows what Ryan Leaf felt like. :D

[blaise]

I heard that superstar Elvis Grbac on a Cleveland radio show today and he said Browns fas were the best in the league. First he was saying that the crowd played a big role in KC's win and that KC and Browns fans were the best in the NFL, but then like a minute later he said Browns fans were the best.

[Frazod]

I've been to one preseason game at Lambeau, but for regular season games I've only been to Arrowhead and Soldier Field (both old and the current abortion). There is no comparison between the noise levels. Bears fans are just, well, stupid. They make a bit more noise when their defense is on the field, but they also make noise when their offense is on the field. And neither is anything compared to the deafening madness of Arrowhead.

[CoMoChief]

Great point. I have said the same thing. They modeled it, I believe, after the Packers renovation of a few years ago.

I've been to both Lambeau and Arrowhead's stadium tour once the renovations were complete.

Lambeau's is just fuckin awesome. There HOF exhibit is 2nd to none IMO. Obviously there's a lot more history there than in KC.

Arrowhead renovations were very much needed obviously in many areas. I just kinda think they half assed it. They're nice, but not great. I dunno maybe I'm one of the few.

I still wish they moved the baseball stadium downtown near sprint center etc and bulldozed both Kauffman and Arrowhead and made Truman Sports Complex into an Arrowhead Park with a new Arrowhead, a stadium much like Houston's w/ a retractable roof etc, so we can host Final Fours etc.

I still love Arrowhead, glad it's still the same "bowl" type stadium. But if renovations were going to be done, I wish they would have gone all out.

JMO.

[Bearcat]

That's why I'm glad we renovated instead of building a new stadium. It probably wouldn't have had the same atmosphere. Probably an underrated point from the other night.
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Yeah, it would have had PSLs and Club Level fans would take up the lower level, too... if it was downtown, it might have been open at one end for a nice view... and the new stadiums don't seem to be on top of the action. A lower level at Heinz Field seems so flat, which can't help the noise level... I've been to a few newer baseball stadiums, like Busch and Comerica, and there's a big difference between them and the K.

[Brock]

I wonder how loud the place would be with the roof.

[Lonewolf Ed]

Look at how much we pissed off poor Phillip Rivers! I loved it when he kicked the ball out of frustration.

Any other player would have drawn a delay of game flag at least for kicking the ball. I would have loved to see how he reacted if that had happened, too!

[Dave Lane]

It would be scary with a parabolic roof to amplify the noise :)

[Mr. Laz]

It would be scary with a parabolic roof to amplify the noise :)
it would be fun to try just once :D

[btlook1]

Frazod and Comochief....tips for going to a Packers game? We have tickets for the Pack/Cowgirls game in Nov. Parking I hear is a bitch sometimes?
Son is a senior this year and he's a Packers fan so we are taking him. Will be awesome to see another stadium but we all know it won't be as rockin as Arrowhead!

[penguinz]

Any other player would have drawn a delay of game flag at least for kicking the ball. I would have loved to see how he reacted if that had happened, too!Wrong. The clock is already stopped so there is no delay of game.

[Tribal Warfare]

Frazod and Comochief....tips for going to a Packers game? We have tickets for the Pack/Cowgirls game in Nov. Parking I hear is a bitch sometimes?
Son is a senior this year and he's a Packers fan so we are taking him. Will be awesome to see another stadium but we all know it won't be as rockin as Arrowhead!

Lambeau or Cowboys Stadium?

[Goldmember]

I've been to both Lambeau and Arrowhead's stadium tour once the renovations were complete.

Lambeau's is just fuckin awesome. There HOF exhibit is 2nd to none IMO. Obviously there's a lot more history there than in KC.

Arrowhead renovations were very much needed obviously in many areas. I just kinda think they half assed it. They're nice, but not great. I dunno maybe I'm one of the few.

I still wish they moved the baseball stadium downtown near sprint center etc and bulldozed both Kauffman and Arrowhead and made Truman Sports Complex into an Arrowhead Park with a new Arrowhead, a stadium much like Houston's w/ a retractable roof etc, so we can host Final Fours etc.

I still love Arrowhead, glad it's still the same "bowl" type stadium. But if renovations were going to be done, I wish they would have gone all out.

JMO.

I haven't been to Lambeau or the renovated Arrowhead yet (will be there at the AZ game). From what I have seen on TV and the internet, it looks great. What else would you have like them to do? A new stadium would have cost too much. Hell the fans wouldn't go for a tax hike to put a rolling roof in let alone a brand new stadium, or two. That is not a reasonable request in the KC market.

[Goldmember]

I think the only stadium that comes close is Seattle's. They get the decibels up there pretty high.

I've wondered how much noise comes from human voices vs the seat pounding. Also, it was amazing how much louder it gets at Arrowhead after a favorable play happens. That means that probably only a third are screaming.

[Amnorix]

Old Mile High was much louder than the new Invesco. Now you have expensive tickets, denver season ticket holders whoring out their individual game tickets to the highest bidder, and the new mile high just isn't the same anymore. That old dump mile high was way louder.

Same could be said for "The Razor" versus the s**thole that they tore down. Of course, that s**thole really was an embarassment, so I don't blame them, but the new one is so open that it's impossible to generate obscene levels of noise. Then you have the whole suit-crowd issue, etc.

[CoMoChief]

Frazod and Comochief....tips for going to a Packers game? We have tickets for the Pack/Cowgirls game in Nov. Parking I hear is a bitch sometimes?
Son is a senior this year and he's a Packers fan so we are taking him. Will be awesome to see another stadium but we all know it won't be as rockin as Arrowhead!

Parking is a bitch. You probably won't be able to park near the stadium lots (in fact I know you won't be able to - those are for season ticket holders only IIRC). Their lots are really no bigger than your local mall's parking lots. At first I was like "Where does everyone park?" Because the size of the lots are so small, and there's only 2, one on each side (home/visitor side). But there are local businesses all around that stadium as well as houses etc. And they may charge like $10 or something for you to park there, might have to walk a few blocks though. Picture Blue Springs or Lees Summit, then plant an NFL stadium on a corner of a neighborhood like where a Quick Trip would be or something, that's pretty much what Lambeau is like.

Lambeau is pretty ****ing cool. Definately wanna check out their HOF exhibit under the stadium. Still have the old style bleachers setup which I personally like.

[CoMoChief]

I haven't been to Lambeau or the renovated Arrowhead yet (will be there at the AZ game). From what I have seen on TV and the internet, it looks great. What else would you have like them to do? A new stadium would have cost too much. Hell the fans wouldn't go for a tax hike to put a rolling roof in let alone a brand new stadium, or two. That is not a reasonable request in the KC market.

Johnson County probably would have gotten it done.

[Frazod]

Frazod and Comochief....tips for going to a Packers game? We have tickets for the Pack/Cowgirls game in Nov. Parking I hear is a bitch sometimes?
Son is a senior this year and he's a Packers fan so we are taking him. Will be awesome to see another stadium but we all know it won't be as rockin as Arrowhead!

I went years ago for a preseason game, and rode up with a group in a Winnebago, so I can't really give you any tips about the parking. The main thing I remember is the bench seats. The stadium is very small compared to Arrowhead. I remember thinking the whole thing wasn't much bigger than Arrowhead's lower level. They just cram in more people on the benches. And unless you're bone thin, count on being crushed between the people on either side of you. I was commenting on how crowded it was, and one of the people who owned the seats said that the only reason I had as much room as I did was because his pregnant wife wasn't there. Keep in mind too, this was August, so nobody was wearing multiple layers of clothing to stave off the cold. And the average Wisconsonite ain't exactly thin, either.

I don't have any plans to go back. But I'm glad I experienced it once, if only to say I was there. Sort of like old Yankee Stadium.

[Goldmember]

Lambeau's parking situation sounds like old Municipal Stadium in KC. You parked on someone's front lawn for a few bucks.

[Mr. Laz]

Johnson County probably would have gotten it done.
out by the race track would of been a better location imo


but don't know if a new stadium would of be great or sucky though ... never can tell.

[kysirsoze]

I wonder how loud the place would be with the roof.

This. The only stadiums that can touch Arrowhead in terms of noise are domes. If they put a roof over that stadium, ears would bleed.

[Goldmember]

out by the race track would of been a better location imo


but don't know if a new stadium would of be great or sucky though ... never can tell.

One of the biggest complaints about the Truman Sports Complex is that it's in the middle of nothing. What would it accomplish having it in another place in the middle of nothing?

[DaKCMan AP]

This. The only professional stadiums that can touch Arrowhead in terms of noise are domes. If they put a roof over that stadium, ears would bleed.

FYP

[Bane]

Twatter says Pile High is louder cause its a mile high and our glorious fans voices rain down upon the enemy team like daggers from Zeus! /Knowshit

[Brock]

One of the biggest complaints about the Truman Sports Complex is that it's in the middle of nothing. What would it accomplish having it in another place in the middle of nothing?

Who complains about that?

[penguinz]

Who complains about that?KK :D

[Mile High Mania]

I don't take that as a stabbing in the back...

[blaise]

I don't take that as a stabbing in the back...

Yeah, but the Broncos suck, so there's that.

[Frazod]

I don't take that as a stabbing in the back...

I didn't think Joe Montana SHIT ALL OVER RUDY when he told the truth about that Notre Dame game, either. But we've got some folks here who really seem to enjoy sensational headlines.

[KChiefs1]

One of the biggest complaints about the Truman Sports Complex is that it's in the middle of nothing. What would it accomplish having it in another place in the middle of nothing?

That's what makes it great!:clap:

[Quesadilla Joe]

Only the Redskins have a longer sellout streak than Denver. If a TV station wouldn't have bought up all the unsold tickets the Chiefs would have had half of their games blacked out last year.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Only the Redskins have a longer sellout streak than Denver. If a TV station wouldn't have bought up all the unsold tickets the Chiefs would have had half of their games blacked out last year.

McDaniels = Blackout ROFL

[Bane]

McDaniels = Blackout ROFL

McBlackout ROFL
McDraftbust:eek:
McNotv:doh!:

[Bane]

I don't take that as a stabbing in the back...

He's been donkey punching (ROFLROFL) Dungver ever since Shanarat left.

[JD10367]

There is much discussion in New England about the bitchslap Brady gave the fans in a press conference two days ago. He basically said Jets fans were better. And he's right, for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread. The design of the stadium sucks balls (open-ended with space in between levels). The Club seats are a fucking travesty. The ticket prices have driven real fans out and now it's a bunch of spoiled pink-hatters. It fucking sucks. And we even have security staff telling people to sit down because they're blocking other peoples' view. WTF? It's an embarrassment. I almost long for the days of the aluminum benches, half-empty stands, and pugnacious drunks.

[Fritz88]

I wonder how loud the place would be with the roof.

Rivers would have killed his Center.

[Mr. Laz]

One of the biggest complaints about the Truman Sports Complex is that it's in the middle of nothing. What would it accomplish having it in another place in the middle of nothing?
They are building that area up ... race track,casino,hotel.

[DaFace]

Only the Redskins have a longer sellout streak than Denver. If a TV station wouldn't have bought up all the unsold tickets the Chiefs would have had half of their games blacked out last year.

IMO, there are a lot of dimensions in what defines the "best fans." This thread is really talking about the behavior of the fans actually present at a game. Part of that is the fans themselves, part of it is the stadium, and part of it is the actions of the front office. (I recall hearing that fans have been told to sit down quite a bit at Invesco.)

As for the sellout streak, it is indeed impressive. However, you have to keep in mind that 1) Denver is a much bigger market than KC, and 2) the Broncos haven't really had a sustained slump like the Chiefs have in a long time. The season ticket wait list in Denver is still huge, but has shrunk considerably in the past decade. I have no doubt that, if the Broncos had a few 4-win seasons (or worse) in a row, the wait list would disappear. And if you don't believe me, just ask the Avs how their attendance has been lately after selling out every game for a decade.

When it comes down to it, the "who has the best fans" debate is pretty silly. Fans are fans, and it has a lot to do with the team's success and gameday experience. But if the question is "whose fans make the other team's QB's life the most miserable," KC (and Arrowhead) are clearly some of the best in the NFL.

(No, I don't know why I bother writing out a reasoned response to KnowMo. Bored I guess.)

[JD10367]

IMO, there are a lot of dimensions in what defines the "best fans." This thread is really talking about the behavior of the fans actually present at a game. Part of that is the fans themselves, part of it is the stadium, and part of it is the actions of the front office. (I recall hearing that fans have been told to sit down quite a bit at Invesco.)

As for the sellout streak, it is indeed impressive. However, you have to keep in mind that 1) Denver is a much bigger market than KC, and 2) the Broncos haven't really had a sustained slump like the Chiefs have in a long time. The season ticket wait list in Denver is still huge, but has shrunk considerably in the past decade. I have no doubt that, if the Broncos had a few 4-win seasons (or worse) in a row, the wait list would disappear. And if you don't believe me, just ask the Avs how their attendance has been lately after selling out every game for a decade.

When it comes down to it, the "who has the best fans" debate is pretty silly. Fans are fans, and it has a lot to do with the team's success and gameday experience. But if the question is "whose fans make the other team's QB's life the most miserable," KC (and Arrowhead) are clearly some of the best in the NFL.

(No, I don't know why I bother writing out a reasoned response to KnowMo. Bored I guess.)

+1. No team likes to go to Arrowhead.

Unfortunately, I fear everything you say would also apply to the Patriots if they went into a slump.

There are certain teams who obviously have dedicated fans. I think KC is up there, along with Green Bay. A case can be made for Cleveland and Oakland (you've gotta love your team to go to that shithole in Oakland). Denver seems like a decent bunch. Chicago maybe. Buffalo (gotta hand it to a fanbase that can suffer through four SB losses in a row). Minnesota seems strong.

On the opposite side, I think the Florida teams have it rough (Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa). SF and SD seem weak. Detroit (I think the horrible economy and horrible team finally killed their spirit). Not sure about Carolina and Atlanta and Seattle.

[KC Dan]

Only the Redskins have a longer sellout streak than Denver. If a TV station wouldn't have bought up all the unsold tickets the Chiefs would have had half of their games blacked out last year.All I have to say is:

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[CoMoChief]

Chiefs fans/Arrowhead is the best place to tailgate, and watch a live NFL game. It's the overall experience. I give Carl Peterson credit for being able to fill the stadium up for so long and just making football gameday Sunday an overally experience that few stadiums/teams have to offer. I dont know what makes up "the best fans" but I do know that gamedays at Arrowhead and tailgating etc is 2nd to none in the NFL. And if you asked others around the NFL I bet hardly anyone would disagree.

[Titty Meat]

Question is will it be that loud vs the Niners? If so i'm there.

[Mile High Mania]

IMO, there are a lot of dimensions in what defines the "best fans." This thread is really talking about the behavior of the fans actually present at a game. Part of that is the fans themselves, part of it is the stadium, and part of it is the actions of the front office. (I recall hearing that fans have been told to sit down quite a bit at Invesco.)

As for the sellout streak, it is indeed impressive. However, you have to keep in mind that 1) Denver is a much bigger market than KC, and 2) the Broncos haven't really had a sustained slump like the Chiefs have in a long time. The season ticket wait list in Denver is still huge, but has shrunk considerably in the past decade. I have no doubt that, if the Broncos had a few 4-win seasons (or worse) in a row, the wait list would disappear. And if you don't believe me, just ask the Avs how their attendance has been lately after selling out every game for a decade.

When it comes down to it, the "who has the best fans" debate is pretty silly. Fans are fans, and it has a lot to do with the team's success and gameday experience. But if the question is "whose fans make the other team's QB's life the most miserable," KC (and Arrowhead) are clearly some of the best in the NFL.

(No, I don't know why I bother writing out a reasoned response to KnowMo. Bored I guess.)

This ... I believe Mark was referring to "atmosphere". The old Mile High was greatness.

[boogblaster]

we b loud ... dat right ...

[stlchiefs]

Love the statement!

[DRU]

I've been to one preseason game at Lambeau, but for regular season games I've only been to Arrowhead and Soldier Field (both old and the current abortion). There is no comparison between the noise levels. Bears fans are just, well, stupid. They make a bit more noise when their defense is on the field, but they also make noise when their offense is on the field. And neither is anything compared to the deafening madness of Arrowhead.

I've noticed, too, that we KC fans seem to be smarter than fans in other stadiums as far as when we make noise on top of how loud that noise is. That said, I think we could still be just a little bit smarter.

Our fans, as we all know, get LOUD when our defense is on the field, but the stadium doesn't really reach it's peak until the offense is actually up to the line of scrimmage. While the offense is in the huddle it's not nearly as loud as it is when they break and start walking up to the line. That's when you can hear the levels of noise increase drastically.

Seems to me that if we could get that level of noise going while the offense was actually in their huddle none of them would even know the play much less be able to hear the snap count at the line. I mean, really, imagine if the opposing team could never hear their plays the QB is screaming at them. Talk about an advantage.

[-King-]

out by the race track would of been a better location imo


but don't know if a new stadium would of be great or sucky though ... never can tell.

The chiefs stadium will not be in fucking Kansas end of story. It's fine where it is.
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[KcMizzou]

I've noticed, too, that we KC fans seem to be smarter than fans in other stadiums as far as when we make noise on top of how loud that noise is. That said, I think we could still be just a little bit smarter.

Our fans, as we all know, get LOUD when our defense is on the field, but the stadium doesn't really reach it's peak until the offense is actually up to the line of scrimmage. While the offense is in the huddle it's not nearly as loud as it is when they break and start walking up to the line. That's when you can hear the levels of noise increase drastically.

Seems to me that if we could get that level of noise going while the offense was actually in their huddle none of them would even know the play much less be able to hear the snap count at the line. I mean, really, imagine if the opposing team could never hear their plays the QB is screaming at them. Talk about an advantage.Good point. I agree.

There's always room for improvement.

[KcMizzou]

The chiefs stadium will not be in fucking Kansas end of story. It's fine where it is.
Posted via Mobile DeviceLMAO Agreed.

Nice try Beaker!!!! :D

[Contrarian]

I think the only stadium that comes close is Seattle's. They get the decibels up there pretty high.

I've wondered how much noise comes from human voices vs the seat pounding. Also, it was amazing how much louder it gets at Arrowhead after a favorable play happens. That means that probably only a third are screaming.

I live in Seattle and I go to a couple games a year and I have to say NO it isnt even close to Arrowhead.
Chiefs vs Seacocks Thanksgiving weekend I am there.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I live in Seattle and I go to a couple games a year and I have to say NO it isnt even close to Arrowhead.
Chiefs vs Seacocks Thanksgiving weekend I am there.

Yeah, well I've been to both as well. I'd say that Seattle has a pretty fucking loud fanbase. It's NOT Arrowhead, but they're not slouches. Those fuckers get loud, and they know when to do it. I've been in the old Kingdome and even Qwest field when it hit 126 decibels. That's fucking LOUD.

[patteeu]

Any other player would have drawn a delay of game flag at least for kicking the ball. I would have loved to see how he reacted if that had happened, too!

I was wondering about that. Could they have even called a 2nd delay of game penalty on him since it was a delay of game penalty that frustrated him enough to kick the ball in the first place?

Edit: Wrong. The clock is already stopped so there is no delay of game.

OK, that makes sense.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I've noticed, too, that we KC fans seem to be smarter than fans in other stadiums as far as when we make noise on top of how loud that noise is. That said, I think we could still be just a little bit smarter.

Our fans, as we all know, get LOUD when our defense is on the field, but the stadium doesn't really reach it's peak until the offense is actually up to the line of scrimmage. While the offense is in the huddle it's not nearly as loud as it is when they break and start walking up to the line. That's when you can hear the levels of noise increase drastically.

Seems to me that if we could get that level of noise going while the offense was actually in their huddle none of them would even know the play much less be able to hear the snap count at the line. I mean, really, imagine if the opposing team could never hear their plays the QB is screaming at them. Talk about an advantage.

Speaking of dumb, Monday night people were actually screaming when WE were on offense.

I thought Nzoner was going to blow a vessel trying to get those fucksticks to quiet down.