Cassel or Croyle

[LaChapelle]

Your Choice
To start against the Texans

[RealSNR]

Put Croyle out there until he breaks.

[Titty Meat]

I vote Palko.

[Fritz88]

Cassel is probably the worst QB in the league. I'd probably take any one over him at this moment.

[007]

fuck cassel. I don't give a shit anymore.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

OMG they are the same player. One is just injury prone. Lose-lose.

[Pioli Zombie]

Its time for Croyle. Cassel has played himself out of the job and out of his bonus next spring.

[ChiTown]

Put Croyle out there until he breaks.

I'd take Tyler Pigpen over this mentally masturbated piece of crap.

[jjchieffan]

Croyle. Please Croyle. Cassel is just awful. Now we have to root for the faiders to beat the Chargers today so that KC can maintain their lead.

[PRIEST]

Croyle all the way the only problem with Croyle is staying healthy not playing the position

[eazyb81]

Neither, they're both awful.

We need to get a QB in free agency or the draft. That is the only answer.

[RustShack]

OMG they are the same player. One is just injury prone. Lose-lose.

Your joking right? They are nothing a like. Do you even watch football fucktard?

[kc rush]

fuck cassel. its bad when i kind of wish he would get dinged out there.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Your joking right? They are nothing a like. Do you even watch football ****tard?

Both are shit. You should shoot yourself.

[Titty Meat]

Brodie Croyle 0-9 as a starter. Nuff said.

[007]

Go with Croyle until he breaks. This line is so much better that might be awhile.

[KC kid]

Croyle? come on guys! emotional of you to want the back up qb

[jjjayb]

Brodie Croyle 0-9 as a starter. Nuff said.

And with this defense? Without having Herm as the coach? Without LJ? He'd do a hell of a lot better than Cassel. My 12 year old neice would probably look better than Cassel.

All season I've been hearing "but we're winning". Guess what? Now we lost. And Cassel is a huge reason why we lost. He couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

[Titty Meat]

And with this defense? Without having Herm as the coach? Without LJ? He'd do a hell of a lot better than Cassel. My 12 year old neice would probably look better than Cassel.

All season I've been hearing "but we're winning". Guess what? Now we lost. And Cassel is a huge reason why we lost. He couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

Have u seen Croyle play?

[RustShack]

Both are shit. You should shoot yourself.

Like I said, do you even watch football? In his one game last year he had 2 TD's, completed 66.7% of his passes, and had a 116.1 QB rating. Oh and that game was against the RAVENS. Has Cassel even touched that as a Chief? That was last year with no weapons and OC.

Your a fucking idiot. Don't judge him on Herm and complete lack of talent around him.

[Jerm]

Where is the "None of the Above" option?

They all suck.

[Jerm]

Where is the "None of the Above" option?

They all suck.

[Titty Meat]

I like how Croyle has became the Joesph Smith of this board.

[RustShack]

Have u seen Croyle play?

You obviously haven't. Young QB's don't carry teams. Manning at that age in that situation would have the same record.

[Shag]

Croyle, because there's not a better option. Not going to happen, though...

[jjjayb]

Have u seen Croyle play?

Yeah. He actuall scans the field and sees more than one receiver. He doesn't stare down the recevier he's throwing to. He's more accurate than Cassel. He has a stronger arm than Cassel. Any more questions?

[Bwana]

No question.....Croyle. No way Poli lets that happen though.

[Thig Lyfe]

Thigpen.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

OMG they are the same player. One is just injury prone. Lose-lose.

One has a little bit better arm


Run Croyle out there till he breaks; Worst case scenario is we'll be back where we are now

[Psyko Tek]

Cassel is probably the worst QB in the league. I'd probably take any one over him at this moment.

btu at oner point today he had a better qb rating than the manning

[LaChapelle]

The Texans is a loss
I don't see the harm in trotting out Croyle

[Chiefs Rool]

Go with Croyle. Because, why not? Even if he goes down. So what if Cassel gets butt-hurt over it, he's gonna suck regardless.

[MadMax]

Mark Castle is the absolute WORST QB in the NFL please argue that point ....He is crap!!!!!!

[Messier]

Go with Croyle. Because, why not? Even if he goes down. So what if Cassel gets butt-hurt over it, he's gonna suck regardless.

That's what 3-1 teams do, bench the QB.

[Chiefs Rool]

That's what 3-1 teams do, bench the QB.

when you feel the urge to talk out of your ass, try to resist it.

[beach tribe]

BWAAAHAAAA

50-5. Bring on my man Croyle.

[Rain Man]

cassel can't salvage a play to save his life and only about 15 percent of his passes aren't horribly overthrown. it's croyle time.
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[beach tribe]

Damn, I want to see Croyle so bad. Dude has the tools. Just can't stay healthy.

Who gives a shit though. Cassel is worthless.

[Thig Lyfe]

That's what 3-1 teams do, bench the QB.

We're 3-1 despite Cassel, not because of him.

Bench the shit out of that motherfucker.

[Chiefs Rool]

Damn, I want to see Croyle so bad. Dude has the tools. Just can't stay healthy.

Who gives a shit though. Cassel is worthless.

that's what I'm saying. Some might argue that "well when Croyle goes down, Cassel's feelings will be so hurt that he will play bad"

well, he's gonna suck ass regardless of how his feelings are. Bench him for as long as we can. If Croyle goes down, go ahead and sign Jeff Garcia and keep Cassel on the bench.

[MadMax]

Croyle? come on guys! emotional of you to want the back up qb




No No NO We want more of Castle he be da man por dis team...I must say in 40 years of watching NFL football I don't know if I've EVER seen a worst QB. :shake::shake:

[Marcellus]

Your joking right? They are nothing a like. Do you even watch football ****tard?

You have seen Croyle go 0-8 right?

[Marcellus]

Damn, I want to see Croyle so bad. Dude has the tools. Just can't stay healthy.

Who gives a shit though. Cassel is worthless.

As stated earlier you saw Croyle go 0-8 right?


You Croyle homers are just as dumb as the Cassel homers.

[dirk digler]

Obviously Croyle

[ArrowheadMagic]

Since Cassel would finish any game started by Croyle? why isnt wildcat an option?

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Brodie Croyle 0-9 as a starter. Nuff said.

No, that is not enough said. Cassel is 3-1 as a starter this year. Does that mean he is good? No, it means he is on a good team. Croyle was on very very bad teams when he was playing.

[Chiefs Rool]

As stated earlier you saw Croyle go 0-8 right?


You Croyle homers are just as dumb as the Cassel homers.

completely different teams then vs now though.

I'm not saying that Croyle is the answer, but he's a better answer than Cassel.

[Thig Lyfe]

You have seen Croyle go 0-8 right?

You must be one of those guys who thinks the pitcher with the most wins should get the Cy Young.

[Baby Lee]

That's what 3-1 teams do, bench the QB.

Mr. Banks, would you please hand the ball to Mr. Dilfer?

[evolve27]

I don't give a fuck about Cassel anymore.

[RustShack]

You have seen Croyle go 0-8 right?

You seen the team he played on right? A young Manning, Marino, Montanta, or anyone would lose in that situation. Tell me fuckface, how many completely shit horrible teams have had a rookie QB carry them to multiple victories?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Croyle. Cassel shouldn't be here next year. Croyle's gotta show he can stay healthy/be a capable stop-gap for a year or two while developing a QBOTF

[HBKChiefs]

Croyle. Nothing more needs to be said. But guess what, there is no chance in hell it will happen.

[RustShack]

You must be one of those guys who thinks the pitcher with the most wins should get the Cy Young.

Hes just an idiot that doesn't understand football.

[alnorth]

Croyle. Now. For the love of God, someone make it happen. He won't be all that much better, but he is better, and this O line just might protect him through week 17.

[morphius]

Yeah. He actuall scans the field and sees more than one receiver. He doesn't stare down the recevier he's throwing to. He's more accurate than Cassel. He has a stronger arm than Cassel. Any more questions?
I don't think you have watched him enough...

Croyle has no touch on the ball, and is hence just worthless.

[Titty Meat]

No, that is not enough said. Cassel is 3-1 as a starter this year. Does that mean he is good? No, it means he is on a good team. Croyle was on very very bad teams when he was playing.

Wait a minute.... So now talent matters? I was told it didn't matter than the o-line sucked because guys like Big Ben and Rodgers were still good. So lets just admit the posters on this board have different standards for Cassel and Croyle therefore debating is a waste of time.

[Kraus]

Croyle. He at least gives us a downfield option. Does any Croyle critic realize who Croyle had on his team when we were winless? NOBODY.

Jesus... Croyle needs to start ASAP. I've been saying this for awhile now.

[prhom]

We're 3-1 despite Cassel, not because of him.



This is an excellent summary of the season. We're like the bears a few years ago, somehow they won games with good D that scores points, special teams, and turnovers. Cassel's game against SF was much like Huard's game against Denver in his last season. We got ahead early, and just kept on rolling. If you take Cassel's play in the the second half of the SF game out of the stats it's amazing that we're 3-1.

[Gary]

Where are the Trent Dilfer, Trent Green, & Kurt Warner options?
Some stats to chew on for Cassel going into this game:

QB Rating - 75.4 (21st in league)
Comp % - 54.5 (28th in league)
Passing yds - 494 (29th in league)
Sacks - 2 (2nd lowest in league)

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Wait a minute.... So now talent matters? I was told it didn't matter than the o-line sucked because guys like Big Ben and Rodgers were still good. So lets just admit the posters on this board have different standards for Cassel and Croyle therefore debating is a waste of time.

Of course talent matters, dummy. I don't know what Rodgers and Roethlisberger and offensive lines have to do with this discussion. The Chiefs' o-line is not the problem here.

[alnorth]

Where are the Trent Dilfer, Trent Green, & Kurt Warner options?
Some stats to chew on for Cassel going into this game:

QB Rating - 75.4 (21st in league)
Comp % - 54.5 (28th in league)
Passing yds - 494 (29th in league)
Sacks - 2 (2nd lowest in league)

Those last 3 are hilarious. We provide a nice comfy pocket for him to play with and he cant do a damned thing with it. I'm guessing that #29 through 32 in completion % have a sieve for a line.

[Titty Meat]

Of course talent matters, dummy. I don't know what Rodgers and Roethlisberger and offensive lines have to do with this discussion. The Chiefs' o-line is not the problem here.

What? It has been stated clearly that many on here expect the QB to make players better. Who did Croyle make better when he played?

[Thig Lyfe]

Remember this game?

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Croyle finished that one. Now add a legit defense, a killer running game and an offensive line that has given up two sacks in four games, and you've got a win.

Croyle can make throws Cassel can only dream of. He's 0-8 because he's never had any talent around him. He's constantly injured because he's never had an offensive line there to protect his brittle bones. Now we have both, and he's sitting on the bench while Cassel takes a big greasy shit on the field.

By the way, his statline in that game?

16/24 for 177 yards and two touchdowns. No interceptions. Larry Johnson ran for 20 yards on 11 carries and Mark Bradley was his #2 WR. Mark Fucking Bradley.

The fact that there is even a debate in this thread is bullshit.

[Dave Lane]

I start Cassel but he is on the shortest of leashes. If he has a bad series he gets the hook and Croyle comes in.

[Bane]

I want to say Croyle but that just means Cassel comes in later,and WTF is this Palko?:cuss:

[Dayze]

Put Croyle out there until he breaks.


that.

[Dayze]

Croyle might nto be the best, but Cassel is a floatign turd.

not even close. Croyle is better than the shit we have trotting out there at QB currently.

Not saying Croyle is good...just better than Cassel.

[Marcellus]

You seen the team he played on right? A young Manning, Marino, Montanta, or anyone would lose in that situation. Tell me ****face, how many completely shit horrible teams have had a rookie QB carry them to multiple victories?

Fuck face? Very original and creative.

Croyle wasnt a rookie in 1 of those 8 losses, but you already knew that didn't you genious.

[Rain Man]

It kills me to see our offense come onto the field and know that any progress through the air will be a fluke. I've lost all confidence in Cassel right now. I honestly can't see any part of the game where he's playing acceptably right now.

[Marcellus]

It kills me to see our offense come onto the field and know that any progress through the air will be a fluke. I've lost all confidence in Cassel right now. I honestly can't see any part of the game where he's playing acceptably right now.

You know Rain Man, I have to agree. While I don't put the loss on Cassel, meaning he didn't go out and lose the game, thing is he didn't win the game for us and really, that's what we all want. A QB who can win the game when needed.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Pointless debate.

The only way Cassel sees the bench is due to injury.

I don't see this regime pulling him.

[CrazyPhuD]

I pick mccluster...run the wildcat all day everyday....

[ROYC75]

Cassell just had a good group around him in N.E.

In KC, we are not there yet...... Cassell now is no better than I would be or half of the people on the BB could be if given 2 weeks to prepare a game with the receivers we have.

We need receivers that can separate and catch the ball and a QB that can get the ball to them. Period.

Right now, even though Brodie is 0-9 as a starter, Brodie has not had a KC team this good ( play makers, defense, ST's, etc. ) to play with. Brodie is more accurate, stronger arm and can stretch the field to open up the offense.

The front office has their hands and heads tied up in Cassell, they will play him until he breaks.

[johnny961]

Pointless debate.

The only way Cassel sees the bench is due to injury.

I don't see this regime pulling him.

I agree. I don't understand it though. It's obvious the Cassel Experiment isn't working.

[007]

I agree. I don't understand it though. It's obvious the Cassel Experiment isn't working.

GMs don't admit their mistakes.

[kcpasco]

Give Croyle a chance behind this o-line.

Cassel is garbage

[Macroach]

Cassell just had a good group around him in N.E.

In KC, we are not there yet...... Cassell now is no better than I would be or half of the people on the BB could be if given 2 weeks to prepare a game with the receivers we have.

We need receivers that can separate and catch the ball and a QB that can get the ball to them. Period.

Right now, even though Brodie is 0-9 as a starter, Brodie has not had a KC team this good ( play makers, defense, ST's, etc. ) to play with. Brodie is more accurate, stronger arm and can stretch the field to open up the offense.

The front office has their hands and heads tied up in Cassell, they will play him until he breaks.

Well, he's probably a LITTLE bit better than most of the people on this board would be, BUT as a starting NFL quarterback, that's just not enough.

You can't draw parallels to Dilfer managing the Ravens because while he couldn't make all of the throws and he limited their offense, his accuracy was Joe Montana-esque compared to Cassell. The problem with Cassell is that he can NOT make the same throw consistently, he misses long and short, and he's going to get someone killed out there hunting one of his ducks.

[Hammock Parties]

2010 Cassel: today's shitbag performance, 19-9 loss.

2007 Croyle: 19-27, 169 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 13-10 loss to Colts.

Food for thought.

[ChiefsCountry]

2010 Cassel: today's shitbag performance, 19-9 loss.

2007 Croyle: 19-27, 169 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 13-10 loss to Colts.

Food for thought.

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[notorious]

2010 Cassel: today's shitbag performance, 19-9 loss.

2007 Croyle: 19-27, 169 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 13-10 loss to Colts.

Food for thought.

That 07' team was a huge heaping pile of shit, too.

[johnny961]

GMs don't admit their mistakes.

I was hoping Pioli would be different than King Carl in that regard.

[FRCDFED]

Brodie Croyle 0-9 as a starter. Nuff said.Need I remind you of the coaching staff he played for? Nuff said.

[notorious]

Need I remind you of the coaching staff he played for? Nuff said.

This.


The 0-9 argument is retarded.

[johnny961]

Need I remind you of the coaching staff he played for? Nuff said.

X3

[luv]

Brodie Croyle 0-9 as a starter. Nuff said.

Total weaksauce. He's a better QB than Cassel. Cassel just survives hits.

[BillSelfsTrophycase]

Croyle. He at least gives us a downfield option. Does any Croyle critic realize who Croyle had on his team when we were winless? NOBODY

Or the coaching staff at the time

[notorious]

It is nearly impossible to find anything that 9 out of 10 agree on.


JFC It's a no-brainer. :facepalm:

[Marcellus]

This.


The 0-9 argument is retarded.


Fine but pick a game Croyle played exceptional they didn't win?

Fucking Thigpen won a couple games with the same team.

[Marcellus]

Total weaksauce. He's a better QB than Cassel. Cassel just survives hits.

There is nothing in existence the proves this. I wish there was.

[RealSNR]

People, look at the clips Sportsracer and Chiefscounty posted.

Has Cassel ever made any throws that look like those? No, he has not.

It's obvious that Croyle is a better QB than Cassel.

[RealSNR]

There is nothing in existence the proves this. I wish there was.Look at the footage.

[notorious]

Croyle throws a pretty, but shitty deep ball, but at least the threat is there.

[BigMeatballDave]

The 0-9 argument is retarded.Just like billay :)

[Marcellus]

Look at the footage.

I can post throws Cassel has made that are clutch. Against the Raiders and Cowboys last year. I am sure there are many from 2008 in NE as well.

If your highlight reel includes 1 or 2 games. That's not good.

[Marcellus]

Croyle throws a pretty, but shitty deep ball, but at least the threat is there.

I have said it before, Croyle's incompletions and INT's are way prettier looking than Cassel's. The only difference.

[BigMeatballDave]

Wait a minute.... So now talent matters? I was told it didn't matter than the o-line sucked because guys like Big Ben and Rodgers were still good. So lets just admit the posters on this board have different standards for Cassel and Croyle therefore debating is a waste of time.JFC you are a moron. Kill yourself already...

[LaChapelle]

five
five more
five more polling days

[FAX]

Thanks, Mr. SportsRacer.

I have to admit that watching a Chiefs quarterback wing it to the receivers deep with some accuracy and power is kinda ... weird ... at this point.

FAX

[Sure-Oz]

Ill start

[ElGringo]

I do not believe Cassell lost the game for us. I believe he threw a touchdown, right in Bowe's hands and who gets credit for the incomplete, cassell. As of right now, Cassell seems mediocre enough to not lose games, so I will stick with him until we get a real second option or he does start losing games.

[Chiefnj2]

Cassel and Croyle both suck. Croyle has better arm strength so in some minds that equates to a better chance of winning.

[boogblaster]

Croyle has the better arm .. also he reads the defense better .. but he's made of glass .....

[LaChapelle]

I think some of the thinking is
the better arm strength would help the running game
taking the wall of human bodies and stretching it out

[FAX]

Just the "threat" of a passing game would help ... just as the "threat" of an on-side kick can.

I don't see what we have to lose, unfortunately. So far as I can tell, Mitch Casscap has become more of a liability as time has gone on. Hell, he may even be getting worse. We were 1 for 10 on third downs yesterday and, this year, we have been relying on defense and special teams for scores. It's a recipe for ultimate failure and the time to make a move at that position is rapidly approaching. Otherwise, we could well have problems in the locker room ... and I couldn't blame the defense if they strung the guy up in the shower by his penis and took turns beating him like a goofy-looking pinata.

FAX

[Rasputin]

Brodie Croyle 0-9 as a starter. Nuff said.

He was on the shittiest team I ever have seen! No blocking enept coach, WTF yea he didn't win but damn that team was just horific to say the least.


Now that we have a few weapons and an O-line that can block, I'm willing to bet that Croyle can find success with this offense. He may get hurt again, we all agree, but the risk reward would out way this imo. Croyle has the ability to move the sticks in rythm & march down the field, that's what Cassel just doesn't do. This is an entirely new team than what Croyle had when he was declared starter. The other thing is that yes Croyle gets hurt, but give him credit for comming back for more lumpings and not give up. He hasn't quit he can play ball.

[ElGringo]

He was on the shittiest team I ever have seen! No blocking enept coach, WTF yea he didn't win but damn that team was just horific to say the least.


Now that we have a few weapons and an O-line that can block, I'm willing to bet that Croyle can find success with this offense. He may get hurt again, we all agree, but the risk reward would out way this imo. Croyle has the ability to move the sticks in rythm & march down the field, that's what Cassel just doesn't do. This is an entirely new team than what Croyle had when he was declared starter. The other thing is that yes Croyle gets hurt, but give him credit for comming back for more lumpings and not give up. He hasn't quit he can play ball.

This I agree with, I have been against dumping Cassell for Croyle because of his loss record (even though I was very happy we drafted Croyle). With this pointed out, I would like to see Croyle have a chance with a team that knows how to play. I guess I would probably change my vote if I could.

[Inspector]

How difficult would it be to train Warpaint?

Grabbing at straws here fellas.....

[Pants]

I don't give a fuck who they start there as long as it's not Cassel. They can drag Len Dawson from the broadcast booth and suit him up for all I care. GET. RID. OF. CASSEL.

[4th and Long]

I really don't see anyone taking 36 million dollars and setting it on a bench.

Earn your bone, son.

Brokie Croyle is not the answer. He's the "Glass Joe" of NFL QBs.

[Mecca]

Most everyone has had enough of Cassel, he is what he is. But this team is not going to spur on QB controversy when Cassel is the GM's guy, the first shot we'll have to be rid of him is after the year.

[Simply Red]

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[Simply Red]

I really don't see anyone taking 36 million dollars and setting it on a bench.

Earn your bone, son.

Brokie Croyle is not the answer. He's the "Glass Joe" of NFL QBs.

that's an insult to even the 'animated' Glass Joe.

[BigMeatballDave]

I do not believe Cassell lost the game for us. I believe he threw a touchdown, right in Bowe's hands and who gets credit for the incomplete, cassell. As of right now, Cassell seems mediocre enough to not lose games, so I will stick with him until we get a real second option or he does start losing games.Ok, what about his complete ineffectiveness the rest of this game?

[Rooster]

This poll is too close to call at this point.

[CHENZ A!]

This is the one poll where the gaz option wouldve been a runaway winner.
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[InChiefsHeaven]

I said Cassell, I don't want to do that to Brodie. Keep him ready for when Cassel shits the bed, some time before half time...