What do you think about Haley's "going for it on 4th down" strategy?

[Kylo Ren]

He seems to be going for it on fourth down a lot. This doesn't just happen. It seems to be a premeditated strategy that he's going to use all season long. What do you think?

[Molitoth]

It depends on the spot of the football. I liked the first going for it call, but the second should've been a field goal.

[007]

he should have kicked a fucking FG today.

[loochy]

Even though he should have kicked a field goal on that one, I like it. It's such a refreshing change from Marty/Herm/Carl and it makes me happy. :D

[Kclee]

I like it. But still find myself shaking my head when they don't make it.

[KurtCobain]

I think if he keeps this up, that I'm going to have a heart attack at 21.
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[Hammock Parties]

He needs to be reined in.

That 4th and 2 call was terrible. You gotta go up 11 in that situation.

You go up 11 or you go up 15. There's barely any difference.

[Kraus]

I like when he goes for it normally, but going for it when a field goal would put you up by 11, essentially a two TD lead, is f'n retarded.

[BigRedChief]

6 mintues left in the game and a chance to go up by two scores? Kick the damn FG.

[Kylo Ren]

I like the agressive strategy. It will blow up in his face from time to time. But, I think it will benefit us more often than not. Good strategy. Put the pressure on the other team. Don't let up. Don't give them a breather. Make them earn it.

[58kcfan89]

It depends on the spot of the football. I liked the first going for it call, but the second should've been a field goal.

Even though he should have kicked a field goal on that one, I like it. It's such a refreshing change from Marty/Herm/Carl and it makes me happy. :D

I like the agressive strategy. It will blow up in his face from time to time. But, I think it will benefit us more often than not. Good strategy. Put the pressure on the other team. Don't let up. Don't give them a breather. Make them earn it.

These. I love the aggressive style, but he has to be smart about it. When you have a chance to make it a 2 possession game, you outta take it, especially with a good K like Succop.

[GloryDayz]

The last one was ill advised!

[BigMeatballDave]

Hate all you want. Its the opposite of Martyball. I love it.

[Kylo Ren]

Yes, we can always pick apart each individual decision. But, as a season long, aggressive strategy, I like it.

[Spott]

4th and 3 up by a 8, you should always take the FG. Haley got lucky it didn't bite him in the butt.

[keg in kc]

I thought at the time the second one was a mistake, but if his logic was that the defense had turned around in the second half and we would be fine if we didn't make it, he was correct about that.

What I didn't like was the play call. Slow developing run play doesn't seem like a smart short-yardage choice (if I'm remembering the correct play, been a few hours...).

Still, I think in an 8-point game, the field goal would have been the smarter play.

[Deberg_1990]

Hate all you want. Its the opposite of Martyball. I love it.

Ironically, this team is built alot like a mid 90's Marty team. Strong, RBBC run game, Average QB, average WR's......strong defense...althought this D isnt quite as agressive as though D's.

[grandllama]

I brought it up last week, and I stand by it even though Jack Harry is beating the drum this week.

I think something is wrong with Mr. Irrelevant.

[keg in kc]

I brought it up last week, and I stand by it even though Jack Harry is beating the drum this week.

I think something is wrong with Mr. Irrelevant.Injury or psychological?

[grandllama]

Injury or psychological?

His kickoffs are short, so I would lean towards injury...

however, the fact that Todd keeps going for it on 4th down and Succop has been anything but automatic this year may lead to the psychological.

[BigMeatballDave]

Ironically, this team is built alot like a mid 90's Marty team. Strong, RBBC run game, Average QB, average WR's......strong defense...althought this D isnt quite as agressive as though D's.I know what you're saying, but I was talking about Marty's conservative decision-making.

[Bob Dole]

If Bob Dole recalls correctly, the average success rate when going for it on 4th and 3 or less is greater than 50%.

[DRU]

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You go up 11 or you go up 15. There's barely any difference.

Agreed. He talks a lot about the risk/reward factor and I like gambling in many of those situations the way he does, but in that particular situation I don't understand the reward vs. the risk. Should have gone up 11 there for sure.

[KChiefs1]

You kick it to go up by two possessions.

[Deberg_1990]

I know what you're saying, but I was talking about Marty's conservative decision-making.

Understood....but there are still times when they are very conservative. Like running on 3rd and 6, 3rd and 7, etc...

Like others have stated, i have a feeling something is wrong with Succop or Haley is trying to prove some kind of point with him...

[Kclee]

If Bob Dole recalls correctly, the average success rate when going for it on 4th and 3 or less is greater than 50%.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/09/4th-down-study-part-3.html

Yep, according to this.

[DaFace]

Most of the time, I love it. The stats gods have said for YEARS that it's best to go for it on 4th a TON. However, I would have preferred the FG late in the game to make it a 2-possession game.

[Frazod]

I'll never bitch about a coach with balls. And I'll take the bad with the good.

[Kylo Ren]

I'll never bitch about a coach with balls. And I'll take the bad with the good. Agreed.

[Red Dawg]

he should have kicked a ****ing FG today.

He would have but he decided the wind was too much from that distance. Normally he would kick the FG.

[Red Dawg]

He needs to be reined in.

That 4th and 2 call was terrible. You gotta go up 11 in that situation.

You go up 11 or you go up 15. There's barely any difference.

Dawson said the wind was the reason to go for it. That's why. He's not crazy he was just thinking at that distance wwith swirling wind we had a better chance to run for the first.

[Chiefs Rool]

I don't mind it, I like a coach with some marbles.

[KCrockaholic]

The problem with it is....Todd Haley gives the "o.k." to go for it on 4th down, yet Charlie Weis is who makes the play call. If Todd wants a pass, yet Charlie calls a run and it fails it looks bad on Haley's part. But they don't always agree on what type of play to run.

[FAX]

... they don't always agree on what type of play to run.

How do you know that, Mr. kcrockaholic4life?

Not challenging you ... just interested in your source.

FAX

[FAX]

Dawson said the wind was the reason to go for it. That's why. He's not crazy he was just thinking at that distance wwith swirling wind we had a better chance to run for the first.

So ... why not kick a Herm in that situation and play the field position game?

FAX

[HonestChieffan]

He has balls. You dont like it, you must pine for the return of Herm.

[MMXcalibur]

There's a difference between having balls and being f**king stupid. Not going for the two-possession lead late with a 41 yard field goal and going for it is f**king stupid.

I sat there and tried to find some reason why you would go for it instead of attempting a kick that would give you a two possession lead.

[Rain Man]

I love it. The world goes to the daring.

[MMXcalibur]

Dawson said the wind was the reason to go for it. That's why. He's not crazy he was just thinking at that distance wwith swirling wind we had a better chance to run for the first.

I missed the postgame, so it's good to hear there was some reason. The wind was really that strong during the game?

[KCrockaholic]

How do you know that, Mr. kcrockaholic4life?

Not challenging you ... just interested in your source.

FAX

It's pretty common knowledge that head coaches and coordinators don't always agree on what type of play to run. In our case, maybe Todd wanted a pass play on 4th down, yet Charlie chose to call a run. It looks bad on Todd, but there's a solid chance that it wasn't his decision on the play call, since he doesn't call the plays. Charlie has 100% control of that.

[DaFace]

I missed the postgame, so it's good to hear there was some reason. The wind was really that strong during the game?

I do remember the ref making some sort of announcement late in the game and not being able to hear him due to the wind.

[DTLB58]

I like his aggresivness, I don't mind going for it on 4th down.

That being said, I think he is getting a little carried away with it.

[Ming the Merciless]

Fuck it...It is kind of like hitting (or not hitting) on 16 in certain situations in blackjack. Either do it or don't do it....But be consistent. If you do it, fucking do it and move on, don't whine and cry like a little bitch when you bust. Be man enough to accept the results.

[Red Dawg]

So ... why not kick a Herm in that situation and play the field position game?

FAX

I just told everyone why.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Marty used to drive me nuts with that shit, but now Haley is going to the other extreme.

[Coach]

Don't question the goddamn Cat Burglar.

[Sully]

I'm all for it.
There are going to be times where it really hurts us. But for the most part I think it's a huge advantage strategically, practically, and most importantly, psychologically.
Think about it. Defensive players are geared up to really peak on third down. The mere fact that they have to defend one more play is a huge offensive advantage mentally...
...then if it's converted, it's a heartbreaker.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Don't question the goddamn Cat Burglar.

LMAO

[FAX]

I just told everyone why.

Okay ... you explained why he didn't take the field goal. I get that. Am I to assume that you also believe that was the reason we didn't punt, either?

FAX

[movinbones]

I hated the call... but a 45 yarder in the swirling wind would have been a hell of a kick.

The punts and kickoffs from the endzone view were funky!!!