ATHAN - Moss to the Chiefs Makes Sense

[Hammock Parties]

OH YEAH!

Moss to the Chiefs Makes Sense (http://kan.scout.com/2/1017639.html)

I can give you one thousand reasons why the Kansas City Chiefs should sit on the sidelines and stay out of Randy Moss sweepstakes. But I won’t.

Though he’s officially yet to be released per our very own Jay Glazer of Fox Sports.com, everyone is talking about former Minnesota Vikings (http://min.scout.com/) receiver Randy Moss (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5231599). His sudden release has to have the Jenn Sterger camp upset. She’s no longer the top gossip story in the NFL.

I’m not really going to jab Moss too much for his comments after the Vikings loss at New England on Sunday. He clearly never wanted to leave the Patriots, and after four weeks in Minnesota he realized he’d handled things poorly. So he took matters in his own hands. He forced the Vikings’ hand.

Now he’s without a home. So why not find a new one in Kansas City.

Well, consider that Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332), the man who brought Moss to New England, is now the General Manager in Kansas City. And the man that made him look so good in 2008, quarterback Matt Cassel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024960), has the Chiefs riding atop the AFC West.

Though offensive coordinator Charlie Weis wasn’t with the Patriots when Moss arrived, that matters very little to a man took his success at New England and parlayed that into a gig at Notre Dame (http://notredame.scout.com/). <table align="right" width="220" cellspacing="7"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/85/854243.jpg
Randy Moss paid huge dividends in New England.
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Head coach Todd Haley likely won’t be daunted by Moss’s antics after dealing with two of his own prima donnas, Larry Fitzgerald (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4832592) and Anquan Boldin (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5154471), when he was the offensive coordinator at Arizona.

The Chiefs, according to a league source, were actually the first to contact New England about Moss’s availability. We’re told the Chiefs would have sent a fifth round pick for Moss. But all that did was open the door for the Miami Dolphins (http://mia.scout.com/), Baltimore Ravens (http://bal.scout.com/), and Minnesota Vikings to foolishly outbid one another.

Pioli stayed out of the bidding war, and he was wise to do so. Not because he was unable to offer a higher draft pick, but because he probably knew Moss’s stay in Minnesota was likely to be a short one and that he might get a chance to land him in another fashion.

I don’t think many General Managers understand a player like Moss than Pioli. And you have to wonder, though, if he had a good chuckle inside his offices this morning when word spread that Moss had gotten the best of Vikings head coach Brad Childress.

In four weeks, Childress has taken Minnesota from potential NFC North champion to the laughing stock of the NFL. He sold his soul to get Favre to return for another season and then pushed ownership to make the trade for Moss, a deal that cost them a 2011 third round pick.

Now Childress is left with a locker room full of frustrated and upset players. You wonder when Jared Allen (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4831958) is going to ask for a trade.

And how ironic would it be if Moss ended up in Kansas City. In a way we might have Allen to thank for it.

Had Allen not flown to Mississippi to convince Favre to return, and had Favre not lobbied for Moss in the first place, this current scenario may have never been so delightfully entertaining.

And you all thought the Chiefs 13-10 overtime victory against Buffalo would be all we’d be talking about today.

I digress. But in the end, I’d have to say that Moss would be the perfect rent-a-player for the Chiefs. If they added him to the roster, he’d be surrounded by a young energetic locker room that – should they defeat Oakland on Sunday – will take control of the AFC West.

Then they could really set this team up for a successful and deep playoff run.

But think about Moss and the Chiefs for a moment. Think about opposing defenses being forced to use double and even triple coverage on his side of the field. That means more open space for Dwayne Bowe (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024954), Dexter McCluster (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026692), Tony Moeaki (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026693), Jamaal Charles (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5024961) and Thomas Jones (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4840882). It will also give Cassel a down the field target that can stretch defenses.

And even if Moss never catches a single pass on the field, the Chiefs could exploit him as a decoy. His signing would also allow the Chiefs to dump Chris Chambers (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5025420). They’d have done it already if they had another NFL receiver that could complement Bowe on the outside. And with McCluster’s injury, this team is very thin at receiver. <table align="left" width="220" cellspacing="7"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/86/865375.jpg
Moss has plenty of game left when he wants to play.
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In all honesty, I have no idea if the Chiefs will really make a play for Moss. Heck, by the time this story is published online, another thousand rumors will have been circulated.

But since the Chiefs already inquired about him once before, and they have plenty of money to pony up the $3.5 million remaining on his contract, why not make a run for him?

That is if he clears waivers. If he doesn’t, then that team is on the hook for the remainder of his contract. But NFL teams likely will wait until he clears, mostly because they don’t want to eat that contract.

If he clears waivers, then any team can negotiate a deal for him. And the likes of the Seattle Seahawks (http://sea.scout.com/), Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs and every other NFL team will likely be willing to rent Mr. Moss for eight, ten games or twelve games.

But Moss isn’t a complete fool. He’s not about to sign with anyone that isn’t in the hunt for the post season. And thankfully if you’re a Moss fan, the Chiefs are in the hunt for more than a playoff birth.

They have one of the best defenses in the NFL, the best rushing attack in football, and a coaching staff that is getting the most out of each and every player.

And when you consider the man leading the charge has become the NFL’s River Boat Gambler of the Year, you’d have to think Haley would be willing to roll the dice on Moss.

I know it’s risky because the future of this organization rests on the kids that Pioli brought in this year. And he knew that the diaper dandies he acquired while in New England were the foundation that built championship teams. But he also knew when to gamble on a high-risk veteran player.

But thus far in his tenure in Kansas City, Pioli’s really only gambled twice. One on signing Matt Cassel to a long-term contract, the other drafting defensive end Tyson Jackson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026665) with the third overall pick in 2009. I’d say he’s 50/50 in that department.

But he hit a home run with the 2010 draft. In fact, every one of his picks could become starters. All of them have started at least one game this year with the exception of Cameron Sheffield (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026701), who was shelved after he suffered a concussion in the preseason.

In 48 hours or so, we’re going to find out where Moss lands. Of course, if he’s not claimed, he could sit back for a couple of weeks and then wait for some of the pretenders to become losers again. Or he could act swiftly identify a team and play this Sunday.

And I hope that place is in Oakland wearing a Chiefs uniform.

Now wouldn’t that be dramatic!

[KCHawg]

If the Assclown likes it, uh..........to the ship?

[BigRedChief]

Bottom line:

The risk of screwing up the team chemistry isn't worth adding a down field threat.

[Bwana]

:spock:

Assclown

[KC Jones]

What a fucking moron.

The most important role a WR has on this team is blocking for the running game.

[KChiefs1]

Pioli signed Moss at New England & Cassel was his QB for a year in New England & Haley's specialty is WR's.

I just don't see it happening because Minnesota is 1-3 with Moss & New England is 3-0 without Moss.

[Thig Lyfe]

Bottom line:

The risk of screwing up the team chemistry isn't worth adding a down field threat.

Bullshit.

[petegz28]

I would take Moss simply for what Athan said. He can draw the coverage and loosen up defenses by merely being on the field. Plus he can catch Cassel's inaccurate passes. You put Moss and Charles on the same field with a TE like Moeaki and nothing but good things can happen.

[RustShack]

I don't see it happening because we near the bottom of the Waiver Wire.

[Rausch]

I wish this jinxing mothafucker would shut his trap...

[RustShack]

But it would be totally sick to have him. Bowe can't be a #1 receiver, but he can put up #1 type numbers if he has a true threat like Moss on the opposite side. Not to mention we also have Moeaki and McCluster. Oh and Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones.

[dirk digler]

I would take Moss simply for what Athan said. He can draw the coverage and loosen up defenses by merely being on the field. Plus he can catch Cassel's inaccurate passes. You put Moss and Charles on the same field with a TE like Moeaki and nothing but good things can happen.

That sounds alot like what the Vikings were expecting

[ChiefaRoo]

Bottom line:

The risk of screwing up the team chemistry isn't worth adding a down field threat.

If He was controlled in New England then Haley can control him. Dude needs a QB to throw it to him though. He may crater emotionally and retire.

[petegz28]

If Moss draws his typical double-coverage, Jones, Charles and Moeaki would have a field day

[petegz28]

That sounds alot like what the Vikings were expecting

Yeah, but we're a better team than the Vikings.

[BigMeatballDave]

That sounds alot like what the Vikings were expectingYes, but the Vikings were struggling before Moss showed up.

[Hammock Parties]

I have to think Moss would never want to play with Matt Cassel ever again.

[Barret]

Speaking of discontent in Minnesota. How funny would it be if Jarrad Allen came back to KC? I mean how much longer does he have on his contract to Minnesota?

Ok I got this from Rotoworld

4/23/2008: Signed a six-year, $73.26 million contract. The deal contains $31 million guaranteed, including a $15.5 million signing bonus and a $4 million "signing" bonus in the second year. 2010: $6,380,100 (+ $4 million guaranteed-for-injury roster bonus due 3/1), 2011: $8,979,438, 2012: $11,619,850, 2013: $14,280,612, 2014: Free Agent

So in 2011 they will owe him $8.979 million. 2012 would be $11.6 million. Wouldn't they have to restructure the contract sooner or later or is all this a moot point with the CBA and Labor talks happening next year?

Anyway I just thought about piling on the woah and agony of the Viqueens.

[kysirsoze]

Head coach Todd Haley likely won’t be daunted by Moss’s antics after dealing with two of his own prima donnas, Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, when he was the offensive coordinator at Arizona.

WTF is he talking about? Just because Fitzgerald is an elite receiver doesn't make him a prima donna. He is known for being a great teammate and a humble, well-spoken guy. Sloppy bullshit like this is one of the reasons no one respects Athan. He is shamelessly bending the truth to fit his narrative. The funny thing is I agree with him, but that's pretty weak.

[Ralphy Boy]

I seriously doubt Moss would be happy getting so few touches here, but I'll be pissed if we don't put in a claim.

Also, why would any team, that is in the hunt, think that paying $3.5 mil for a proven deep threat is too much? I get that most receivers would have to learn the playbook, but ours shouldn't be that much different than what he was used to in New England. Besides that, how hard is it to say "Randy go deep"?

[Brock]

the deal

[Marcellus]

Speaking of discontent in Minnesota. How funny would it be if Jarrad Allen came back to KC? I mean how much longer does he have on his contract to Minnesota?

Ok I got this from Rotoworld

4/23/2008: Signed a six-year, $73.26 million contract. The deal contains $31 million guaranteed, including a $15.5 million signing bonus and a $4 million "signing" bonus in the second year. 2010: $6,380,100 (+ $4 million guaranteed-for-injury roster bonus due 3/1), 2011: $8,979,438, 2012: $11,619,850, 2013: $14,280,612, 2014: Free Agent

So in 2011 they will owe him $8.979 million. 2012 would be $11.6 million. Wouldn't they have to restructure the contract sooner or later or is all this a moot point with the CBA and Labor talks happening next year?

Anyway I just thought about piling on the woah and agony of the Viqueens.

3-4 Defense, Allen is not a fit and Allen is not worth the $.

[Wyndex]

I want to punch Athan in the taint, repeatedly, while he is fully clothed of course

[The Bad Guy]

What a complete pile of shit article. Just awful.

[BigRedChief]

If He was controlled in New England then Haley can control him. Dude needs a QB to throw it to him though. He may crater emotionally and retire.He was "controlled" in NE because they winged it down the field to Moss and they were winning all the time. He's not going to be happy here. We are a run the football team. We are not going to start throwing deep to Moss. And unless we start keeping him happy, the locker room cancer will start.

[RustShack]

That sounds alot like what the Vikings were expecting

And Harvin really broke out in those games he had Moss..

[Frazod]

Speaking of discontent in Minnesota. How funny would it be if Jarrad Allen came back to KC? I mean how much longer does he have on his contract to Minnesota?

Ok I got this from Rotoworld

4/23/2008: Signed a six-year, $73.26 million contract. The deal contains $31 million guaranteed, including a $15.5 million signing bonus and a $4 million "signing" bonus in the second year. 2010: $6,380,100 (+ $4 million guaranteed-for-injury roster bonus due 3/1), 2011: $8,979,438, 2012: $11,619,850, 2013: $14,280,612, 2014: Free Agent

So in 2011 they will owe him $8.979 million. 2012 would be $11.6 million. Wouldn't they have to restructure the contract sooner or later or is all this a moot point with the CBA and Labor talks happening next year?

Anyway I just thought about piling on the woah and agony of the Viqueens.

Fuck Allen - I don't want him back. What has he done for Minnesota except disappear in big games? They're not going to win shit with him, ever, while the picks we got are starting to pay good dividends.

[Ralphy Boy]

WTF is he talking about? Just because Fitzgerald is an elite receiver doesn't make him a prima donna. He is known for being a great teammate and a humble, well-spoken guy. Sloppy bullshit like this is one of the reasons no one respects Athan. He is shamelessly bending the truth to fit his narrative. The funny thing is I agree with him, but that's pretty weak.

I thought the same thing. Dealing with Anquan does not equate to dealing with Fitz.

It would be one thing if we were 5-10 slots higher in the waiver position, but we are maybe 2-3 slots ahead of NE and he'd probably be pissed if we were the ones standing in the way of his reunion with BB.

[TheGuardian]

Speaking of discontent in Minnesota. How funny would it be if Jarrad Allen came back to KC? I mean how much longer does he have on his contract to Minnesota?

Ok I got this from Rotoworld

4/23/2008: Signed a six-year, $73.26 million contract. The deal contains $31 million guaranteed, including a $15.5 million signing bonus and a $4 million "signing" bonus in the second year. 2010: $6,380,100 (+ $4 million guaranteed-for-injury roster bonus due 3/1), 2011: $8,979,438, 2012: $11,619,850, 2013: $14,280,612, 2014: Free Agent

So in 2011 they will owe him $8.979 million. 2012 would be $11.6 million. Wouldn't they have to restructure the contract sooner or later or is all this a moot point with the CBA and Labor talks happening next year?

Anyway I just thought about piling on the woah and agony of the Viqueens.

I would never want that overrated POS back on this team.

[tk13]

There's plenty of merit to the idea.

But some people are being flat naive about it too. I think you need a strong willed head coach like Haley to control Moss. Childress is never going to cut it. And it works to our advantage that Haley has plenty of experience with diva WR's. But... and this is a big but, Moss is a bit of a different animal. He will quit on routes and not play hard. And I can't believe Haley will stand for that for one second. That's my biggest concern. I don't think it's even debatable that Moss doesn't play hard sometimes.

[Ralphy Boy]

And Harvin really broke out in those games he had Moss..

Yeah I have him on my fantasy league and I'm guessing he's going to drop off.

[RustShack]

But it doesn't really help him or the team that Favre is hurting so bad and can't throw it very well.

[Sure-Oz]

Would JA even fit in a 3-4, he'd be like Kampman at GB when they switched to 3-4

[dirk digler]

Yeah, but we're a better team than the Vikings.


Yes, but the Vikings were struggling before Moss showed up.

We don't have the better QB. Hell we are ranked dead last in passing.

[Hammock Parties]

If only we had traded for Favre three years ago like Nick wanted, and then signed Moss today, we could have finally brought them together.

[Marcellus]

He was "controlled" in NE because they winged it down the field to Moss and they were winning all the time. He's not going to be happy here. We are a run the football team. We are not going to start throwing deep to Moss. And unless we start keeping him happy, the locker room cancer will start.

Yup. He got traded out of NE by being a dipshit. If he won't behave there, he simply won't behave.

[BigRedChief]

They're not going to win shit with him, ever, while the picks we got are starting to pay good dividends.Good?

I think Charles and Albert are paying GREAT dividends.:D

[Marcellus]

We don't have the better QB. Hell we are ranked dead last in passing.

#1 in rushing has something to do with that. If were weren't 1 in rushing we would be 30th in passing.:D

[BigRedChief]

Yup. He got traded out of NE by being a dipshit. If he won't behave there, he simply won't behave.And Haley will never tolerate his WR's taking plays off.

[dirk digler]

#1 in rushing has something to do with that. If were weren't 1 in rushing we would be 30th in passing.:D

LMAO

[KChiefs1]

Didn't Nick Wrong spend most of the afternoon talking about this on 610?

[ChiefaRoo]

He was "controlled" in NE because they winged it down the field to Moss and they were winning all the time. He's not going to be happy here. We are a run the football team. We are not going to start throwing deep to Moss. And unless we start keeping him happy, the locker room cancer will start.


I think right now your right if KC wants to play Martyball for the next five years but I believe Haley wants to be more pass oriented like he was in Arizona, eventually.

I think KC brings in a free agent QB if Cassel stinks it up this year or levels off next year. Weiss and Haley want to throw it.

If the Chiefs can control Moss and convince him they are for real in the next two years then he could fit. By for real I mean KC is committed to being a SB caliber team and that means being able to run and throw it.

I don't think any serious fan thinks KC is going to win a Super Bowl by simply being a better version of the team they are now.

KC is a team in transition and I think Haley wants a better offense than run, run, play action.

[Hootie]

this is downright laughable...

we already have a deep threat...

Moss wouldn't tolerate Cassel...

and Bowe is young/hungry/humble enough to deal with Cassel's eratic play and our run heavy offense.

[kysirsoze]

this is downright laughable...

we already have a deep threat...

Moss wouldn't tolerate Cassel...

and Bowe is young/hungry/humble enough to deal with Cassel's eratic play and our run heavy offense.

You can't possibly think Bowe compares to Moss in a vertical passing game.

[Molitoth]

While I think it would be great to have Moss stretching the field... it won't change Matt Cassel's tunnel vision. No matter how good the receiver is, he's not going to be catching any decent thrown balls from our scrub QB.

[Sure-Oz]

You can't possibly think Bowe compares to Moss in a vertical passing game.

He was talking about Terrance Copper

[Mecca]

He was talking about Terrance Copper

That would make the post even funnier, career special teamer...Randy Moss..hrm.

[ChiefaRoo]

You can't possibly think Bowe compares to Moss in a vertical passing game.

Bowe could be a great number two. KC needs a true number one to be a Super Bowl team. I'd say it's the number one priority in the draft next year. QB via free agency and a stud rush backer to take Vrabels spot and the Chiefs will be dangerous.

[Mecca]

Moss in name value alone would help the offense, he opens up your short passing game and helps your running game because no one will single cover him.

Not to mention he'd be on a 1 year deal, it would be a no lose situation.

[ChiefaRoo]

Moss in name value alone would help the offense, he opens up your short passing game and helps your running game because no one will single cover him.

Not to mention he'd be on a 1 year deal, it would be a no lose situation.


Holy shit , you're right. Welcome back.

[kysirsoze]

That would make the post even funnier, career special teamer...Randy Moss..hrm.

Yeah, saying we already have a deep threat is kind of like saying we already have a quarterback.

[Hammock Parties]

I don't even think Moss is that great as a deep threat anymore. Longest catch this year is only 37 yards.

Age has caught up.

[Mecca]

I don't even think Moss is that great as a deep threat anymore. Longest catch this year is only 37 yards.

Age has caught up.

Yet defenses are still scared of him...that's really all that matters if he's drawing double coverage it makes the rest of the team better.

[kstater]

Did this dumbass really just argue that Pioli didn't bid for Moss a month ago because he knew he'd have a chance to be 29th in line for him on the waiver wire?

[Hootie]

I absolutely think at this point in their careers Bowe is comparable to Moss as a deep threat...

because of effort alone

Moss would be a dumb fucking signing and Haley wouldn't put up with him...not one bit.

You guys might as well stop even thinking about it...it will not happen.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think right now your right if KC wants to play Martyball for the next five years but I believe Haley wants to be more pass oriented like he was in Arizona, eventually.

I think KC brings in a free agent QB if Cassel stinks it up this year or levels off next year. Weiss and Haley want to throw it.

If the Chiefs can control Moss and convince him they are for real in the next two years then he could fit. By for real I mean KC is committed to being a SB caliber team and that means being able to run and throw it.

I don't think any serious fan thinks KC is going to win a Super Bowl by simply being a better version of the team they are now.

KC is a team in transition and I think Haley wants a better offense than run, run, play action.

I doubt that's the case at all.

When you're in Arizona and have Fitzgerald and Boldin and Warner, of course you want to be an aerial offense. You adjust the offense to your strengths. Pioli has also been involved with offenses that love to run the ball.

And why the hell can't we win a Super Bowl with the path we're on now? I love the path we're moving down. You couple our current existing approach with a good QB, and this team is a legit contender. You add 2 or 3 very good players next offseason and a few other role players on top of that, and this team is a strong Super Bowl contender.

[Hootie]

the last thing we need is a selfish player like Moss we need to worry about getting the ball to...

For this team...you are god damned right I'd rather start Terrence Copper over Randy Moss...

[Hammock Parties]

Yet defenses are still scared of him...that's really all that matters if he's drawing double coverage it makes the rest of the team better.

He doesn't have a single 100-yard game this year.

I pretty much think he's done as a player.

[LaChapelle]

Pioli priming the pump for BB
say it ain't so

[Mecca]

He doesn't have a single 100-yard game this year.

I pretty much think he's done as a player.

I think that's a little naive, he's 33, he's not 38. Terrell Owens is producing at 35.

[MahiMike]

Pioli might sign him just to make Cassel look good.

[Hammock Parties]

I think that's a little naive, he's 33, he's not 38. Terrell Owens is producing at 35.

Moss isn't a hard worker like TO and doesn't take care of himself the same way.

If he can't put the fear of god into a defense with deep speed he's not really worth that much.

And that's what we're seeing this year.

Zero 100-yard games, two teams dumping him pretty quickly.

POS

[Mecca]

Yet he still draws double coverage all the time...he's not done.

[Hootie]

T.O. also looks every bit as good as he ever did...dude is a freak of nature and one of the hardest working guys in the NFL...

Moss is a quitter...and he's in one of his damn funks...

Dude would be a worthless, worthless player for the Chiefs.

You want to hear a good fit?

The Bengals.

That team is done, they have a shit coach, a shit QB, and a shit team...

So at least a Randy Moss signing would generate a shit ton of interest for that shitty ass franchise...

T.O., Ocho and Moss on one team???

Holy shit that would be entertaining.

[Hootie]

Randy Moss would be an absolute waste of a roster space for KC...

It's funny our board genious Mecca wants to bring in the cancer of all cancers...

What a genious he is.

[LaChapelle]

BB trades you for a 3rd
not much left

[Hootie]

I'd rather have a roster of 52 guys than have one with 53 and Randy Moss.

[Dartgod]

Fuck. No.

I don't want that cancerous lazy motherfucker anywhere near my team.

[TheGuardian]

Yet he still draws double coverage all the time...he's not done.

How did I know you'd be showing up in this thread pimping Moss like this?

You are such a predictable tool sometimes.

[Mecca]

I'm sure Randy Moss for 9 games on a 1 year deal is the worst thing that could ever happen when we have a problem at that position.

[TheGuardian]

I'm sure Randy Moss for 9 games on a 1 year deal is the worst thing that could ever happen when we have a problem at that position.

We don't throw the ball down the field. Even if he took away the deep safety what does it open up? Nothing. And Randy is not a worker, and doesn't block.

The dude just got traded and released in a matter of a month. Why are you so in love with cancer type players that produce, but are more trouble than they are worth?

[chiefzilla1501]

I'm sure Randy Moss for 9 games on a 1 year deal is the worst thing that could ever happen when we have a problem at that position.

I get where you're coming from.

My take is that he's not a guy who's going to suddenly turn this team into a championship team. And to me, a 9-game fix is not worth it if it means adding a disruptive element to what is a very tight-knit team.

If I felt this team was that one player away, sure. But he's not. We still have a guy named Matt Cassel who's not going to take this team deep into the playoffs, Moss or no Moss.

[morphius]

I'm sure Randy Moss for 9 games on a 1 year deal is the worst thing that could ever happen when we have a problem at that position.
Yes, but at the same time we also know that if Athan thinks it is a good idea...

[Hootie]

I'm sure Randy Moss for 9 games on a 1 year deal is the worst thing that could ever happen when we have a problem at that position.

what exactly is our problem at the position?

I can't think of a worst fit in the NFL right now than Moss on the Chiefs...

not one.

[Mecca]

I think he has value more as a decoy to underneath receivers than he does anything else to this team since he still draws double coverage, I don't think he'd light anything on fire but I think him being out there would help the other guys get better matchups, that's where I'm coming from.

[Hootie]

he's not a fix at all...

he's a cancer...Dwayne Bowe is more than sufficient for our passing attack...we don't need a Randy Moss on our team to ruin our locker room...to demand the ball..to not block downfield for our backs...to just run fly routes all game long...

Not worth it...

Rather have 52 and no Moss than 53 and Moss...

and the Chiefs won't even think about it...so why are we even wasting our time right now?

[Bane]

Fuck Randy Moss and all the BULLSHIT he'd bring with him.

[TheGuardian]

I think he has value more as a decoy to underneath receivers than he does anything else to this team since he still draws double coverage, I don't think he'd light anything on fire but I think him being out there would help the other guys get better matchups, that's where I'm coming from.

When Moss realizes he's a decoy, he quits.

It's like you don't follow the NFL at all...........

[Hootie]

hahahaha

Mecca you are too much...

I'M SURE RANDY MOSS WILL REALLY BE CONTENT WITH HIS ROLE AS A DECOY! YEP. THAT IS RANDY MOSS ALRIGHT! TEAM PLAYER!

[Bane]

When Moss realizes he's a decoy, he quits.

It's like you don't follow the NFL at all...........

USC did just get OWNED ya know!ROFL

[ChiefaRoo]

Mecca is right. Haley might be able to rehab him. If not, he's gone.

[Mecca]

Randy Moss as a decoy is why Wes Welker led the league in catches, was this missed?

[Hootie]

P.S. We already get Bowe in single coverage every single time...

We just have a QB who can't take advantage of it...Moss wouldn't fix that...not one bit.

Bowe is a pretty decent deep threat as is...we don't need a locker room cancer who won't block and who doesn't play when he doesn't feel like playing...

I'm sure Haley would just turn a blind eye to it all...too. I'm sure Randy Moss would take real kindly to being chastised on the sidelines by Haley...

I can't think of a worse fit for Moss...and it's fitting that Mecca wants to sign him.

He's a grade A moron.

[Hootie]

Randy Moss as a decoy is why Wes Welker led the league in catches, was this missed?

oh yeah!

MOSS WAS A HUGE DECOY!

He only had 80+ catches, 1300 yards and 13 TDs...

what a decoy he was

[TheGuardian]

Randy Moss as a decoy is why Wes Welker led the league in catches, was this missed?

What were Moss' stats that season? Remind me........

[GloryDayz]

If the price is right, then I say go for it. Especially if we could sign him for Sunday's game...

[Mecca]

Yea he got balls but he's the reason Welker got those numbers. Just sayin his presence out there does lead to things for other players.

He caught 80 meanwhile Welker was what 120 something?

[007]

What a dipshit. Why would we bring in a deep threat when Cassel will never be able to accurately throw it that far?

[Hootie]

If you have 83 receptions, you aren't a damn decoy...

The Patriots used Welker to essentially be their running back...that's why he caught so many balls...he was their "running" game.

[Bane]

What a dipshit. Why would we bring in a deep threat when Cassel will never be able to accurately throw it that far?

Flea flicker on every down?ROFL

[chiefzilla1501]

If you have 83 receptions, you aren't a damn decoy...

The Patriots used Welker to essentially be their running back...that's why he caught so many balls...he was their "running" game.

No, mecca is right. It's well documented. Moss is a vertical threat that forces safeties to play deep coverage, which opens up the underneath stuff for Welker. McCluster could really use a receiver like Moss and Moss has still got enough to at least open up opportunities for other receivers.

I completely get that he'd help the Chiefs. I just don't think it's worth all the baggage.

[Hootie]

so all of those nice long runs we have that are sparked by guys like Bowe and Copper blocking downfield...

those don't matter because Moss will open up the middle for McCluster.

got ya!

[The_Doctor10]

I like the part where he calls Larry Fitzgerald a primma donna. Boldin I get, but Fitz? Just because a WR is hyper-talented doesn't mean he's Chad Ochocinco.

[Hammock Parties]

Mecca's perfect team:

Carson Palmer
Randy Moss
Reggie Bush
Antonio Cromartie

[chiefzilla1501]

so all of those nice long runs we have that are sparked by guys like Bowe and Copper blocking downfield...

those don't matter because Moss will open up the middle for McCluster.

got ya!

Moss pulls the safeties back. Therefore, more open field for our RBs to run through.

Moss makes the team better talent-wise. It's stupid to say otherwise. But it's not worth the baggage.

[Bane]

Mecca's perfect team:

Carson Palmer
Randy Moss
Reggie Bush
Antonio Cromartie

:doh!:

[Hootie]

yeah Moss made Minnesota so good they cut him after 4 games...

you're right...

he's the best!!!

he'd make us so potent offensively!!!

[CoMoChief]

But thus far in his tenure in Kansas City, Pioli’s really only gambled twice. One on signing Matt Cassel to a long-term contract, the other drafting defensive end Tyson Jackson with the third overall pick in 2009. I’d say he’s 50/50 in that department.

What a fool.

[TheGuardian]

But thus far in his tenure in Kansas City, Pioli’s really only gambled twice. One on signing Matt Cassel to a long-term contract, the other drafting defensive end Tyson Jackson with the third overall pick in 2009. I’d say he’s 50/50 in that department.

What a fool.

Tyson Jackson is still a developing player. Just like Dorsey was when dumbasses here wanted to trade him. Now he's playing at a pro bowl type level.

[CoMoChief]

Could he help us? Of course he could. We need WR's like democrats need votes in tomorrow's election...He's a talented WR.

Is he worth the trouble and is he gonna dog ass because he KNOWS he won't be getting a long term deal w/ us?

Probably not.

[CoMoChief]

Tyson Jackson is still a developing player. Just like Dorsey was when dumbasses here wanted to trade him. Now he's playing at a pro bowl type level.

Jackson's not even starting. At least Dorsey started. Ball-grabber has unseated Jackson as the starter, and it will probably be that way for the rest of the season. When you're a top3 pick....getting paid that kinda $$$$, you need to start.

[ROYC75]

New England is 3 - 0 without Moss, Minny is 1 - 3 with Moss.:doh!:

[TheGuardian]

Jackson's not even starting. At least Dorsey started. Ball-grabber has unseated Jackson as the starter, and it will probably be that way for the rest of the season. When you're a top3 pick....getting paid that kinda $$$$, you need to start.

Lots of first rounders sat for a while under Haley. I think Jackson will end up being just fine eventually.

[BryanBusby]

New England is 3 - 0 without Moss, Minny is 1 - 3 with Moss.:doh!:

Thanks for that completely irrelevant analysis.

[CoMoChief]

Lots of first rounders sat for a while under Haley. I think Jackson will end up being just fine eventually.

Haley's had two 1st rounders, and both of them started from the get-go.

As far as Jackson's concerned, for the Chiefs sake, I hope he turns into a monster, because so far, the 2009 draft/offseason has been one of the worst I've seen in a while.

[RustShack]

Moss would open up the middle for McCluster and Moeaki so much. If they try to single cover Moss to defend the other receivers and running game.. Moss will come down with it. . Cassel is a bad QB, but Moss can adjust and find a way to catch those balls. He does find a way to hit Bowe.. Bowe just drops them. Moss wouldn't.

[TheGuardian]

Haley's had two 1st rounders, and both of them started from the get-go.

As far as Jackson's concerned, for the Chiefs sake, I hope he turns into a monster, because so far, the 2009 draft/offseason has been one of the worst I've seen in a while.

Bowe sat for a while in preseason. He was a former first rounder. That's what I am saying. Haley doesn't have about that shit. Jackson will need to earn his way back to starting. Nothing wrong with that. He made a couple of good plays yesterday in plugging his gap.

[BigMeatballDave]

I think Jackson will end up being just fine eventually.So do I, but he'll never be worth #3 overall.

[Chiefs Rool]

So do I, but he'll never be worth #3 overall.

ya, a #3 pick needs to be a nasty nate stud. But I don't see Jackson ever turning into that. I have to admit though, I'd be satisfied if he turned into a good player and plays the position on the 3-4 way above average, but #3?? come on, that was a bad pick.

[JohnnyV13]

Imagine what our play action would be like with Moss. Holy crap.

Safeties won't be very quick to rush up in run support. Get the safefies coming up, then burn them with Moss. The beauty of it is, Moss can go up and get an inaccurate deep ball.

[RINGLEADER]

Moss would open up the middle for McCluster and Moeaki so much. If they try to single cover Moss to defend the other receivers and running game.. Moss will come down with it. . Cassel is a bad QB, but Moss can adjust and find a way to catch those balls. He does find a way to hit Bowe.. Bowe just drops them. Moss wouldn't.

The only reason most seem to think this would be a bad move is because of what it may or may not do to team chemistry. But that works both ways. A malcontent player can negatively impact team chemistry, sure. But team chemistry can also slap some sense into a player who really wants to win. I think you saw that when he first came to NE after being exiled in Oakland. It's the same dynamic that made Rodman behave himself on the Michael Jordan Bulls teams. It can work and if there is someone who can lay down the law and insure it isn't a distraction is WR-coach Haley and Pioli. All IMHO of course.

[Hammock Parties]

I still don't like Moss, but where he would really help out is in the red zone.

He still has leaping ability. I just don't think he can run like he used to.

Moss and Bowe would dominate the red zone.

[Contrarian]

When I listened to Randy Moss in the press conference I agreed with him 100%. How could you not disagree with the guy? He was right about everything especially about the $25k they stole out of his pocket because he wouldn't talk after a loss. Besides it's not like it was his choice to go to Minnesota. He wasn't even given time to be a cancer there. They wanted him to talk so he talked, they didn't like what he said so they let him go, what dumb asses! You can't put that on Moss.
I think that Moss would be a steal for 3.5M and I really hope he comes here and plays.

[DaneMcCloud]

The addition of Moss would turn this team into an AFC Championship contender overnight.

With that said, there's no way that 24 other teams don't put in a waiver claim, if for none other than the reasons I stated earlier in this thread (blocking rivals from putting him on their roster).

[FloridaMan88]

Randy Moss and Dwayne Bowe would be a lot of dumbassery on one team.

[bigbucks24]

The addition of Moss would turn this team into an AFC Championship contender overnight.

With that said, there's no way that 24 other teams don't put in a waiver claim, if for none other than the reasons I stated earlier in this thread (blocking rivals from putting him on their roster).

That's what I thought at first. Several teams would claim him if for no other reason than to block him goin to a rival. I saw the Dolphins and Jets as people that might do it to block him from going back to his beloved Patriots. However, the more I think about it, do you want a Randy on the team that doesn't want to be there? If Randy's desire is to get back to the Patriots and the Dolphins claim him, how well do you think he performs? We all saw how that worked out for the Vikings.

Let's say Randy wants to go to the Chiefs. He makes it known that the Chiefs are his #1 destination (Randy is all about what is good for Randy). He thinks he gets thrown a ton of balls. He knows Pioli and Haley, knows Bowe is underperforming and knows the Chiefs really want to throw the ball. Anyone else that claims him knows he will go all Minnesota and eventually work his way out off the team. The Chiefs know that he wants to come there so why would they make a waver claim and be on the hook for the #3.5MM (ish)? Why not let him go free agent and let Minnesota pick up the tab? Pay him $1MM.

I think he goes unclaied. Not because no one wants to tak a chance on him. Because no one wants Bad Randy to be on their team.

[RustShack]

No. Moss will get claimed, and by multiple teams.

[BossChief]

haha

who thinks the Patriots would claim him on waivers?

They put him on the block because they didn't want him anymore...why would they do that and then claim him and pay his contract?

I doubt anyone claims him for any reason and think he ends up playing for a team like SD, Washington (I know, McNabb, but they need a player like him), Chicago...shit I wouldnt be surprised to see Baltimore try to sign him...I know they have a solid set of wideouts, but they are in full on win RIGHT NOW mode.

[RustShack]

There are teams who will want him and not want to risk letting him sign somewhere else.

[CaliforniaChief]

No. Moss will get claimed, and by multiple teams.

I tend to agree with you here. However, there are some (including Michael Lombardi) who believe he will go completely unclaimed.

If someone before us claims him, I won't be all that upset. But if nobody claims him, or a team behind us in the pecking order nabs him, I'll be displeased.

I just don't think there's any downside to claiming him.

[BossChief]

If they sign him, that means they are on the hook for the rest of his deal...between 3 and 4 million dollars. If this was latter in the season, I could see the risk reward in that type of venture, but not at that much bling.

I guess we'll know tomorrow.

If I were a betting man (and I am) my money is on him clearing waivers.

[dj56dt58]

Yeah, saying we already have a deep threat is kind of like saying we already have a quarterback.

We do have a deep threat...that popcorn guy in the endzone section that Cassel is always throwing the ball too

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If Moss draws his typical double-coverage, Jones, Charles and Moeaki would have a field day

Excellent, GREAT point, Pete. No opposing D-Coord would factor him in as a deep threat for obvious reasons, but the man can execute short and intermediate routes too!

Our WR Corps sans Bowe and Dex is absolute fucking garbage, so why NOT grab this guy for the rest of the season and see how it rolls?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The addition of Moss would turn this team into an AFC Championship contender overnight.

With that said, there's no way that 24 other teams don't put in a waiver claim, if for none other than the reasons I stated earlier in this thread (blocking rivals from putting him on their roster).

THANK-you! JFC, the inability of some people to see the forest for the trees regarding Moss and our WR situation overall is absolutely mind-numbing.

[RustShack]

Hopefully after we claim him. Cassel gets hurt so we can have Croyle air it deep all day.

[DaneMcCloud]

If they sign him, that means they are on the hook for the rest of his deal...between 3 and 4 million dollars. If this was latter in the season, I could see the risk reward in that type of venture, but not at that much bling.

I guess we'll know tomorrow.

If I were a betting man (and I am) my money is on him clearing waivers.


First off, they wouldn't "sign him". They'd claim him.

Any team that claims him would have to pay the remainder of his $6.4 million dollar contract, or $3.6 million IF they kept him for the final nine games.

Secondly, if he passes through waivers (which will NEVER happen), Minnesota would be on the hook for $3.89 million and any team that signs him would only have to pay $450k for the remaining nine games.

He won't pass through waivers but holy fuck, if I were Pioli I'd sign him for $450k in a heartbeat.

[bigbucks24]

I tend to agree with you here. However, there are some (including Michael Lombardi) who believe he will go completely unclaimed.

If someone before us claims him, I won't be all that upset. But if nobody claims him, or a team behind us in the pecking order nabs him, I'll be displeased.

I just don't think there's any downside to claiming him.

What if you claim him and he doesn't want to be here? Sure you can cut him, but how does that make your front office look? And now you are on the hook for the $3.8MM. What does it do to team chemistry? I can sure see the upside, but I can also see a downside.

[HolyHandgernade]

I'm willing to trust Pioli/Haley. Pioli is familiar with him, I'm sure Haley has a full understanding of what his negatives are. If the two of them decide he's worth taking a chance on and he comes our way, I'm all for it. I trust they can weigh the pros and cons of the situation adequately. If they think they can get him to play to his true potential, there's little doubt he moves this team into a serious contender once in the playoffs, not to just get to them. If not, we won't have to worry about it and play for our more modest goal this year (making the playoffs).

[Dave Lane]

Randy Moss as a decoy is why Wes Welker led the league in catches, was this missed?

I agree with your premise. If we were poised to make any kind of playoff run I'd be with you. As Pollyanna as I've been accused of being I think this team is one and done in the playoffs with Cassel. With or without Moss

[Shogun]

Can the executive of the fucking decade make it happen, though, is the real question. I think so.

[CaliforniaChief]

From Rotoworld.com:
Randy Moss: Randy Moss to clear waivers?
Randy Moss - WR - MIN - Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicts that Randy Moss will clear waivers if the transaction becomes official Tuesday.
Should Moss go unclaimed by all 32 teams, he'd become an unrestricted free agent while also having his full $6.4 million salary guaranteed by the Vikings. Moss could then "double dip," tacking on whatever earnings he'd be able to muster on the open market. NFL Network's Joe Theismann and Boomer Esiason both also believe that Moss will clear waivers if he's cut Tuesday. Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

[RustShack]

The Chiefs have plenty of cash right now. They would be foolish not to claim him.

[BossChief]

YPC/yards/tds

2007: 14.2/995/5
2008: 11.9/1022/7
2009: 12.5/589/4
2010: 17/357/6

I think he is good enough of a deep threat, he would be a much more effective one if we had a different guy throwing the passes, but I digress...

[ROYC75]

At what time is the waiver up ?

[CaliforniaChief]

At what time is the waiver up ?

I don't think Minnesota has actually released him yet.

If it happens tomorrow, then the claim is finished on Wednesday afternoon. 4:00 Eastern, I think?

[DaneMcCloud]

YPC/yards/tds

2007: 14.2/995/5
2008: 11.9/1022/7
2009: 12.5/589/4
2010: 17/357/6

I think he is good enough of a deep threat, he would be a much more effective one if we had a different guy throwing the passes, but I digress...

He'd be the best deep threat on the team, would stretch defenses and open lanes for McCluster and even Charles out of the backfield.

And anyone here that even remotely believes that Moss would be a poor locker room presence this season is absolutely wrong.

Haley, Pioli, Weis and Crennel would most certain contain him. The dude wants nothing more than a Super Bowl ring and having already had a shot in New England, IF he were picked up by KC, that would probably be his last shot.

If he fucked up under Pioli, Haley and Weis, he'd be for the most part, radioactive.

[CaliforniaChief]

What if you claim him and he doesn't want to be here? Sure you can cut him, but how does that make your front office look? And now you are on the hook for the $3.8MM. What does it do to team chemistry? I can sure see the upside, but I can also see a downside.

I don't buy the chemistry thing, here. First of all, one player isn't going to undermine team chemistry. Either he adjusts to the culture or he doesn't stay. Second, I believe that Randy Moss was acquired by one Scott Pioli a few years ago. So apparently he does fit "The Right 53" approach.

[Hammock Parties]

His 2010 YPC is deceiving.

Longest catch all year - 37 yards.

Bowe has a longer reception.

[DaneMcCloud]

I don't buy the chemistry thing, here. First of all, one player isn't going to undermine team chemistry. Either he adjusts to the culture or he doesn't stay. Second, I believe that Randy Moss was acquired by one Scott Pioli a few years ago. So apparently he does fit "The Right 53" approach.

If he even tried to fuck up team chemistry, I'm guessing Todd Haley would deliver a swift cockpunch, shortly followed by Pioli.

These guys aren't fucking around.

[Hammock Parties]

YPC/yards/tds

2007: 14.2/995/5
2008: 11.9/1022/7
2009: 12.5/589/4
2010: 17/357/6


You're looking at the wrong stats.

Moss averaged 14.2 YPC this year.

22 catches in 7 games is shit, too.

[CaliforniaChief]

Honestly I think he was "Patsified" and when he arrived in a place that had been "Childrified" he was horrified. Minnesota's a MESS in the locker room.

[bigbucks24]

I don't buy the chemistry thing, here. First of all, one player isn't going to undermine team chemistry. Either he adjusts to the culture or he doesn't stay. Second, I believe that Randy Moss was acquired by one Scott Pioli a few years ago. So apparently he does fit "The Right 53" approach.

I agree that Pioli knows him better than most (any?) GMs and that gives the Chiefs a huge advantage. And for the most part, one player doesn't ruin a locker room. Bur don't you think the Vikings locker room has more strife now than when Randy came? I believe it is reported that some of the players were upset about the situation. I know, I know. Chilly is an awful leader and maybe those problems would not happen in a Haley locker room. And I still think Randy is going to decide where Randy goes.

[BossChief]

If they sign him, that means they are on the hook for the rest of his deal...between 3 and 4 million dollars. If this was latter in the season, I could see the risk reward in that type of venture, but not at that much bling.

I guess we'll know tomorrow.

If I were a betting man (and I am) my money is on him clearing waivers.

First off, they wouldn't "sign him". They'd claim him.

Any team that claims him would have to pay the remainder of his $6.4 million dollar contract, or $3.6 million IF they kept him for the final nine games.

Secondly, if he passes through waivers (which will NEVER happen), Minnesota would be on the hook for $3.89 million and any team that signs him would only have to pay $450k for the remaining nine games.

He won't pass through waivers but holy fuck, if I were Pioli I'd sign him for $450k in a heartbeat.

I meant to type claim, as the rest of the posts facts back that, but I have had a long day and goofed.

If he clears waivers, he is essentially a wide open free agent and he can sign for whatever a team will pay him...450k would b close to the prorated vet minimum though iirc. This isn't like the TJ Housyodaddy deal...he had a clause in his deal that allowed Baltimore (or any other team that would have signed him) to be able to pay the minimum and for Seattle to pick up the rest of the tab. Moss' deal has no such clause and he can get paid by the Vikings full bore and still get a full paycheck, in addition, from whoever signs him.

I think he clears waivers, but I have been wrong before....it happens.

[RustShack]

The Chiefs have a stable locker room, and a great coaching staff. Moss wouldn't be a problem here. If we lose he might become one.. but it will be very hard for this team to lose with him.

[DaneMcCloud]

You're looking at the wrong stats.

Moss averaged 14.2 YPC this year.

22 catches in 7 games is shit, too.

That doesn't mean he would be an effective weapon on a team like the Chiefs, this year.

For the record, at this point, I would be interested in him beyond the final nine games of 2010 and any playoff appearance.

Unless of course, he displayed a 2007 like passion and performance. And even then, I'd sign him to a modest, backloaded contract.

[BigMeatballDave]

I cant imagine any team with a losing record would claim him and pick up the remainder of his salary. Why waste the money just to keep him from another team in your division?

[Mr. Arrowhead]

I think he has value more as a decoy to underneath receivers than he does anything else to this team since he still draws double coverage, I don't think he'd light anything on fire but I think him being out there would help the other guys get better matchups, that's where I'm coming from.

I agree, he could do alot better than chambers

[CaliforniaChief]

I agree that Pioli knows him better than most (any?) GMs and that gives the Chiefs a huge advantage. And for the most part, one player doesn't ruin a locker room. Bur don't you think the Vikings locker room has more strife now than when Randy came? I believe it is reported that some of the players were upset about the situation. I know, I know. Chilly is an awful leader and maybe those problems would not happen in a Haley locker room. And I still think Randy is going to decide where Randy goes.

The mess in Minnesota has nothing to do with Moss. It has more strife because they didn't turn their season around and it's abundantly clear they're going nowhere (despite the expectations).

[chiefzilla1501]

He'd be the best deep threat on the team, would stretch defenses and open lanes for McCluster and even Charles out of the backfield.

And anyone here that even remotely believes that Moss would be a poor locker room presence this season is absolutely wrong.

Haley, Pioli, Weis and Crennel would most certain contain him. The dude wants nothing more than a Super Bowl ring and having already had a shot in New England, IF he were picked up by KC, that would probably be his last shot.

I agree on point #1.

Absolutely disagree on point #2. This is what I saw out of New England. He bitched about money hours after a WIN. He was accused of slyly pouting without making a public spectacle. He fought with a true franchise QB in Brady. Here's what kills me... he fought with his own QBs coach and completely undermined the team's offensive gameplan at halftime because he wasn't getting the ball, and then Revis said that Moss completely gave up in the second half of that game. In Minnesota, even worse. Threw his teammates under the bus. Threw his coach under the bus.

There is most definitely risk. I don't want a player who undermines his coaches in front of his teammates and in front of the cameras. Or who gives up playing because they don't target him in the gameplan.

[DaneMcCloud]

I cant imagine any team with a losing record would claim him and pick up the remainder of his salary. Why waste the money just to keep him from another team in your division?

I could see the Jets, Miami, NE, Giants, Redskins and Eagles claiming him, if for nothing more than keeping a valuable weapon away from an opponent.

Same goes for the Texans, Colts, Jaguars, Bucs, Falcons, Raiders and Cards.

Claim him and if necessary, make him inactive each week.

The Chargers and Seahawks would places he could start (much like the Chiefs).

[Sure-Oz]

Five teams that could claim WR Randy Moss once he is waived: 1) Rams; 2) Raiders; 3) Redskins; 4) Seahawks; 5) Chiefs. If no claim, Pats. 27 minutes ago via web

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

[Hammock Parties]

YPC/yards/tds

2007: 14.2/995/5
2008: 11.9/1022/7
2009: 12.5/589/4
2010: 17/357/6

I think he is good enough of a deep threat, he would be a much more effective one if we had a different guy throwing the passes, but I digress...

Ah wait, you're talking about Bowe.

[CaliforniaChief]

The more KC is named as a possible suitor, the higher the odds become that the Raiders claim him. That's how they think over there.

[DaneMcCloud]

Five teams that could claim WR Randy Moss once he is waived: 1) Rams; 2) Raiders; 3) Redskins; 4) Seahawks; 5) Chiefs. If no claim, Pats. 27 minutes ago via web

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

I think he read my post 9 hours ago.

:D

[DaneMcCloud]

The more KC is named as a possible suitor, the higher the odds become that the Raiders claim him. That's how they think over there.

As they should.

It's fucking chess, Fellas.

[BossChief]

You're looking at the wrong stats.

Moss averaged 14.2 YPC this year.

22 catches in 7 games is shit, too.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoweDw00.htm

He'd be the best deep threat on the team, would stretch defenses and open lanes for McCluster and even Charles out of the backfield.

And anyone here that even remotely believes that Moss would be a poor locker room presence this season is absolutely wrong.

Haley, Pioli, Weis and Crennel would most certain contain him. The dude wants nothing more than a Super Bowl ring and having already had a shot in New England, IF he were picked up by KC, that would probably be his last shot.

If he fucked up under Pioli, Haley and Weis, he'd be for the most part, radioactive.
The risk of his lockerroom perceived problem is the biggest reason why he wont ever be a Chief.

We have a lot of impressionable young kids in this lockerroom and I don't think a player that has always had the attitude that "I'm good enough to be able to choose when I want to play" isn't what this team needs...thinking long term.

Its not like we are a team in win right now mode.

If it was me making that decision, I would probably sign him, but I can surely see where it could totally blow up in my face...especially when we have so many young guys coming up on their second contracts.

He surely would chance the way every team plays us from here out though, IF WE COULD GET IT TO WORK.

[bigbucks24]

The mess in Minnesota has nothing to do with Moss. It has more strife because they didn't turn their season around and it's abundantly clear they're going nowhere (despite the expectations).

I agree that the Vikings locker room is a mess and it has Childress written all over it. From begging Favre to play to pressuring them to trade for Moss to saying he is released without consulting with Ziggy. This has got to be Childress' last year. However, I do think bringing Moss in for 4 weeks and cutting him added to the strife. If you think the Chiefs locker room is so strong that no matter what Moss does, it won't be affected, then it makes sense to put a claim on him even if he doesn't want to be there.

[Hammock Parties]

Maybe Moss could lead the revolution to get Matt Cassel's ass fired.

Sort of like how we had to hire Herm to get rid of Carl.

[DaneMcCloud]

Its not like we are a team in win right now mode.



WHAT?

This team is 5th in the NFL in points given up. 17th in yards given up.

NUMBER ONE running offense.

WEAK remaining schedule.

Efficient yet lackluster passing game and quarterback.

Good special teams.

If they're not in WIN NOW mode, they NEVER will be.

[Rausch]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BoweDw00.htm
Its not like we are a team in win right now mode.


Why the fuck not?...

[chiefzilla1501]

I agree that the Vikings locker room is a mess and it has Childress written all over it. From begging Favre to play to pressuring them to trade for Moss to saying he is released without consulting with Ziggy. This has got to be Childress' last year. However, I do think bringing Moss in for 4 weeks and cutting him added to the strife. If you think the Chiefs locker room is so strong that no matter what Moss does, it won't be affected, then it makes sense to put a claim on him even if he doesn't want to be there.

Bill Bellichick is a pretty good coach.

And it seems pretty clear to most that he was being phased out of the offense because they couldn't stand his attitude.

It's not just Childress. It's Bellichick, Pats' coaching staff, and Brady too.

[Hammock Parties]

WHAT?

This team is 5th in the NFL in points given up. 17th in yards given up.

NUMBER ONE running offense.

WEAK remaining schedule.

Efficient yet lackluster passing game and quarterback.

Good special teams.

If they're not in WIN NOW mode, they NEVER will be.

I agree with this completely.

It's time for us to go out and trade for Cliff Lee.

In the next year or two years we should be trying to make any big-time trade or sign any big-time free agent we can.

Just not sure if Moss is one anymore.

[Rausch]

Bill Bellichick is a pretty good coach.

And it seems pretty clear to most that he was being phased out of the offense because they couldn't stand his attitude.

No, it was pretty clear he wasn't going to be a Pat after this year anyway. Contract concerns.

Flat out, money. The Pats figured they might as well get something out of him.

It's not just Childress. It's Bellichick, Pats' coaching staff, and Brady too.

BS.

Brady and Welker both were as complimentary as could be about Moss...

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Honestly I think he was "Patsified" and when he arrived in a place that had been "Childrified" he was horrified. Minnesota's a MESS in the locker room.

Childress is so off-kilter, I don't even know who to compare him to. I'd run like hell from that fuck too.

[Rausch]

Childress is so off-kilter, I don't even know who to compare him to. I'd run like hell from that **** too.

Gun?

Childress is clearly in over his head...

[bigbucks24]

WHAT?

This team is 5th in the NFL in points given up. 17th in yards given up.

NUMBER ONE running offense.

WEAK remaining schedule.

Efficient yet lackluster passing game and quarterback.

Good special teams.

If they're not in WIN NOW mode, they NEVER will be.

Serious question (please don't rip my face off). Do you think the Chiefs are Super Bowl contenders right now? I know that once the playoffs begin, anything can happen. But with the team as it is created and the schedule remaining, are they one of the 2 best teams in the NFL? And would they be one of the 2 best teams in the NFL with a good behaving Moss?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Gun?

Childress is clearly in over his head...

Yeah, but he's so un-coach like, I could only come up with something like "Office Supply Salesman"...

[BossChief]

Hey like I said, if it were me I would probably pull the trigger.

Its just that I don't think these guys will. they have a huge investment in YOUTH that they want to continue to give MAX EFFORT and a guy like Moss only giving max effort on like 5 plays per game wouldn't fit that criteria.

Oh, and yeah...we would have a hard time breaking a lot more of these long runs because HE DOESN'T RUN BLOCK...or run anything more than a loafed route when he isn't the focal point of a play.

But I surely agree that he would open it up for guys like Moeaki, DMC and Bowe...not to mention it would force teams to keep that 8th man OUT OF THE DAMN BOX.

[chiefzilla1501]

No, it was pretty clear he wasn't going to be a Pat after this year anyway. Contract concerns.

Flat out, money. The Pats figured they might as well get something out of him.



BS.

Brady and Welker both were as complimentary as could be about Moss...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/sources-moss-was-becoming-a-distraction-in-new-england/
"Multiple sources tell us in the wake of the deal that sent receiver Randy Moss from the Patriots to the Vikings for a third-round pick that the trade became a necessity because Moss was becoming an in-house distraction for the Patriots.

Per one source, Moss "was pissing [coach] Bill [Belichick] off at every turn." The source opined that Belichick wouldn't have given Moss to Minnesota for a third-round pick unless Belichick knew that keeping him could hurt the team.

As another source explained it, some players were becoming more and more frustrated with Moss, who reportedly asked for a trade after his Week One postgame tirade regarding his perceived lack of appreciation, based on the actual lack of a contract extension."


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/06/report-randy-moss-had-halftime-outburst-at-patriots-assistant/?related=1
"Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com reports that Moss and Patriots quarterbacks coach Bill O'Brien had a heated exchange at halftime on Monday night.

One player described the incident as an "outburst," apparently motivated by the fact that Moss only had one pass thrown to him in the first half. O'Brien calls the offensive plays, and Moss didn't have any passes thrown to him in the second half. "


http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nfl/news/story?id=5655198&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5655198
"On Wednesday, Revis questioned Moss' effort in the second half of that game, when Jets cornerback Antonio Cromartie held Moss without a catch with Revis out.

"In the second half, you could tell he was putting his foot on the brake," Revis said. "I mean, everybody knows that's Randy. Sometimes he plays 100 percent, sometimes he doesn't.""

[ROYC75]

He'd be the best deep threat on the team, would stretch defenses and open lanes for McCluster and even Charles out of the backfield.

And anyone here that even remotely believes that Moss would be a poor locker room presence this season is absolutely wrong.

Haley, Pioli, Weis and Crennel would most certain contain him. The dude wants nothing more than a Super Bowl ring and having already had a shot in New England, IF he were picked up by KC, that would probably be his last shot.

If he ****ed up under Pioli, Haley and Weis, he'd be for the most part, radioactive.

We do not agree often, but he would be of a major help on the field. Creating more mismatches with the current weapons we have now. As for the Locker Room ? Anybody's guess, If I was Pioli, I would be willing to let him come in on a short leach.

[Rausch]

Serious question (please don't rip my face off). Do you think the Chiefs are Super Bowl contenders right now? I know that once the playoffs begin, anything can happen. But with the team as it is created and the schedule remaining, are they one of the 2 best teams in the NFL? And would they be one of the 2 best teams in the NFL with a good behaving Moss?

The only teams I absolutely do not see us beating are the Ravens and Steelers.

I would LOVE to have a shot at the Texans or Colts again, at Arrowhead, in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind we can win that.

The Pats? They're good, but they're human now. Beatable.

The Titans are almost as one dimensional as we are and with 1/2 the defense. The Jets ARE as one dimensional as we are.

The Dolphins don't scare me in the least.

If we could get the 2nd or 3rd seed....wow...I honestly think we have a legit shot at making the AFC 'ship...

[chiefzilla1501]

The only teams I absolutely do not see us beating are the Ravens and Steelers.

I would LOVE to have a shot at the Texans or Colts again, at Arrowhead, in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind we can win that.

The Pats? They're good, but they're human now. Beatable.

The Titans are almost as one dimensional as we are and with 1/2 the defense. The Jets ARE as one dimensional as we are.

The Dolphins don't scare me in the least.

If we could get the 2nd or 3rd seed....wow...I honestly think we have a legit shot at making the AFC 'ship...

Whoa, step on the brake.

We're an ascending team. But Randy Moss still makes us a very distant fifth to the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots and Jets.

[BossChief]

Whoa, step on the brake.

We're an ascending team. But Randy Moss still makes us a very distant fifth to the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots and Jets.

Im not so sure man.

Us with Moss changes a lot of things, especially in the playoffs.

With our running attack, no team has the set of corners to match up with Moss, Bowe and DMC.

NO TEAM

The Jets are the only ones that come close...but the Ravens, Steelers and Patriots would struggle mightily with that set AND stopping our running attack.

[Rausch]

Whoa, step on the brake.

We're an ascending team. But Randy Moss still makes us a very distant fifth to the Ravens, Steelers, Patriots and Jets.

The Jets are not that impressive. They probably have the best pass rush in football but they just got shut the fuck out by a really banged up Green Bay D.

And the Pats are a good team, don't get me wrong, but their D is a shadow of its former self.

I agree about the Steelers and Ravens. We just don't have the talent those rosters do. I suppose we could get lucky and they could get injured but that's exactly what I think it'd take to beat either in a playoff game...

[CaliforniaChief]

The way things work today, almost every NFL team is in "win now" mode.

Some are more sold out to the present than others in that they'll give away draft picks and pay later to win now. We're definitely not in THAT mode. But picking up Randy Moss wouldn't cost us anything in terms of the future. Unless you think Jeremy Horne is a future pro-bowler. And if you think that, I'd like to do business with you.

Just put a claim in on him. The rest is out of our hands.

[Hammock Parties]

Im not so sure man.

Us with Moss changes a lot of things, especially in the playoffs.

With our running attack, no team has the set of corners to match up with Moss, Bowe and DMC.

NO TEAM

The Jets are the only ones that come close...but the Ravens, Steelers and Patriots would struggle mightily with that set AND stopping our running attack.

Any defense can stop our offense.

And I think you know why.

[DaneMcCloud]

Serious question (please don't rip my face off). Do you think the Chiefs are Super Bowl contenders right now?

Right now? Absolutely not.

Besides the fact the teams they've beaten are a collective 11-28 (or thereabouts - it's late), they're missing essential parts.

As I mentioned earlier, the defense and running game are without a shadow of a doubt, championship caliber.

But, as most knowledgeable fans will tell you, it would be extremely difficult to win three games in the playoffs with a QB that throws for 150 yards a game at less than a 50% clip.

Randy Moss has a proven history with Cassel and while Moss is three years older and Cassel has a weak arm, the mere threat of Moss to go along with the Chiefs running game and defense would certainly elevate this team's chances of advancing in the playoffs.

[BossChief]

As I mentioned earlier, the defense and running game are without a shadow of a doubt, championship caliber.

Randy Moss has a proven history with Cassel and while Moss is three years older and Cassel has a weak arm, the mere threat of Moss to go along with the Chiefs running game and defense would certainly elevate this team's chances of advancing in the playoffs.If we are to make noise in the playoffs, we need to continue to get Studebaker on the field so he can get experience and learn from the mistakes he will surely make. He at least gives us a real pass rush threat from that side that balances our pass rush.

I know we agree on that, I just wanted to put it out there.

The biggest problem Cassel had in 2008 with connecting with Moss was actually overthrowing him.

Its not gonna happen, but it sure would be interesting, if it did.

[BWillie]

Yeah, you know f*ck it. Let's not even try though. That is a failure mentality.

[chiefzilla1501]

Im not so sure man.

Us with Moss changes a lot of things, especially in the playoffs.

With our running attack, no team has the set of corners to match up with Moss, Bowe and DMC.

NO TEAM

The Jets are the only ones that come close...but the Ravens, Steelers and Patriots would struggle mightily with that set AND stopping our running attack.

I don't see how this team with Moss is that much different from the Jets, except that they have a much better defense. Or the Steelers--they don't have Moss, but they have a QB who can make any receiver look like Randy Moss.

I like our progress. But our defense has been inconsistent and I think we can easily give up 30+ to a good pass defense. Our run offense is great, but how great against top-tier defenses? And we still have Cassel as our QB.

Not to mention that we are so obsessed with an aerial attack that we haven't asked how that completely changes their gameplan. I commented several months ago that adding TO to the Bengals was stupid, because they went from a run-first, control-the-clock team to an aerial offense. The same goes for the Chiefs. I think they're better positioned as a run-heavy offense. Moss won't allow that. He bitches when he doesn't get the ball.

[Rausch]

I don't see how this team with Moss is that much different from the Jets, except that they have a much better defense. Or the Steelers--they don't have Moss, but they have a QB who can make any receiver look like Randy Moss.

Not, at all, following your thought process here...

I like our progress. But our defense has been inconsistent and I think we can easily give up 30+ to a good pass defense. Our run offense is great, but how great against top-tier defenses? And we still have Cassel as our QB.

Whut?

Not to mention that we are so obsessed with an aerial attack that we haven't asked how that completely changes their gameplan. I commented several months ago that adding TO to the Bengals was stupid, because they went from a run-first, control-the-clock team to an aerial offense. The same goes for the Chiefs. I think they're better positioned as a run-heavy offense. Moss won't allow that. He bitches when he doesn't get the ball.

So we'll suddenly quit running the ball because we sign Moss?...

[milkman]

I thought the same thing. Dealing with Anquan does not equate to dealing with Fitz.

It would be one thing if we were 5-10 slots higher in the waiver position, but we are maybe 2-3 slots ahead of NE and he'd probably be pissed if we were the ones standing in the way of his reunion with BB.

I don't get why people think Boldin is a prima donna.

Sure, he had his contract issues with the Cards, but that was a legitimate issue, because at the time that Fitzgerald signed his long term deal, Boldin had actually been more productive.

On the field, Boldin has been a battler from the first day he stepped on it. and I would have been happy to have traded fro him.

Bowe could be a great number two. KC needs a true number one to be a Super Bowl team. I'd say it's the number one priority in the draft next year. QB via free agency and a stud rush backer to take Vrabels spot and the Chiefs will be dangerous.

Just what QB will be available in free agency?

Shaun Hill.
Maybe.

But then we better be making QB in the draft the priority, not WR.

[milkman]

Moss in name value alone would help the offense, he opens up your short passing game and helps your running game because no one will single cover him.

Not to mention he'd be on a 1 year deal, it would be a no lose situation.

As soon as Cassel misses him a couple or three times, he'll start with the attitude.

Moss is a quitter and a cancer.

The Patriots have played better without him this year, and the Vikings gained nothing from his presence.

After years of longing to play with favre, he quit on the Vikings in his last game.

You have never understood how important team chemistry is, and it's mind boggling to think you still don't get it with the way this Chiefs team is winning games this year.

They aren't the most talented team in the league, but they are winning games because they are a TEAM.

[milkman]

Tyson Jackson is still a developing player. Just like Dorsey was when dumbasses here wanted to trade him. Now he's playing at a pro bowl type level.

Jackson is a developing player, but he'll never live up to the draft position that he was taken at, so it still doesn't add up to 50/50.

But I don't think Athan has the intelligence required to recognize that Jackson isn't a bust, so I think his 50 on the positive side might be alluding to Cassel.

He's a tool like that.

[gblowfish]

SENSATIONAL

[milkman]

Imagine what our play action would be like with Moss. Holy crap.

Safeties won't be very quick to rush up in run support. Get the safefies coming up, then burn them with Moss. The beauty of it is, Moss can go up and get an inaccurate deep ball.

Cassel dosn't throw a lot of deep balls accurately, but Moss dropped 4 balls that hit him in in the hands in stride from Cassel in '08, two against the Steelers that really swung the momentum to the Steelers in that game.

Make no mistake, Moss will quit in games, and those are the kinds of things that happen.

[milkman]

The only reason most seem to think this would be a bad move is because of what it may or may not do to team chemistry. But that works both ways. A malcontent player can negatively impact team chemistry, sure. But team chemistry can also slap some sense into a player who really wants to win. I think you saw that when he first came to NE after being exiled in Oakland. It's the same dynamic that made Rodman behave himself on the Michael Jordan Bulls teams. It can work and if there is someone who can lay down the law and insure it isn't a distraction is WR-coach Haley and Pioli. All IMHO of course.

You bring in a guy like Moss to an established winning team, not to a young ascending team.

[milkman]

He'd be the best deep threat on the team, would stretch defenses and open lanes for McCluster and even Charles out of the backfield.

And anyone here that even remotely believes that Moss would be a poor locker room presence this season is absolutely wrong.

Haley, Pioli, Weis and Crennel would most certain contain him. The dude wants nothing more than a Super Bowl ring and having already had a shot in New England, IF he were picked up by KC, that would probably be his last shot.

If he ****ed up under Pioli, Haley and Weis, he'd be for the most part, radioactive.

I disagree that the front office and coaches can contain his negative influence in the locker room.

It's the players that have that kind of influence.

Terrel Owens was a disruptive presence in Dallas even with Parcells there.

Moss wasn't in New England because of the players there, not because of BB.

This team is too young overall to have the kind of influence on Moss that the Pats had.