*** Washburn vs. KU ***

[Craqhead]

Washburn vs. KU

Day: Tuesday
Date: Nov. 2, 2010
Location: Lawrence, Kan.
Time: 7:00 p.m. CT

KSMO Channel 10 on your Time Warner Cable channels.....

[Shogun]

Finally the good KU team plays.

[Reerun_KC]

Ah man its nice to have KU basketball back! Its been a long offseason...

[bluehawkdoc]

Selby update?

[Shogun]

Selby update?

I hear he is playing tonight.

[Reerun_KC]

I hear he is playing tonight.

It is because its exhibition? Or has he been officially cleared?

[Shogun]

It is because its exhibition? Or has he been officially cleared?

I assume we would be hearing more if he was officially cleared, but I dont know, I'm gonna assume its just exhibition.

[bluehawkdoc]

I hear he is playing tonight.

Yes!

I assume we would be hearing more if he was officially cleared, but I dont know, I'm gonna assume its just exhibition.

:grr:

[HolyHandgernade]

I have not heard that, in fact, it has been quite the opposite.

[Reerun_KC]

I assume we would be hearing more if he was officially cleared, but I dont know, I'm gonna assume its just exhibition.

My guess its just exhibition.... Come on NCAA, stop sucking the penis!

[sedated]

I doubt he plays. And I doubt he starts the season. But oh well.

[Shogun]

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/kansas-jayhawks/2010/11/2/1789449/ku-jayhawks-josh-selby-washburn-exhibition

[Reerun_KC]

Man that sucks....

[Shogun]

Know anywhere to watch online?

[Reaper16]

Go Ichabods!

[Shogun]

http://www.justin.tv/wichitachiefsfan

The game

[Craqhead]

Know anywhere to watch online?

Not sure the ins and outs...



http://www.kuathletics.com/allaccess/index.html?media=205145

[blazzin311]

Know anywhere to watch online?

For those of you forced to watch online like myself here you go. Stream seems to be pretty good quality too. Hope it stays that way.

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Selby update?

It is because its exhibition? Or has he been officially cleared?

As far as Selby goes I was curious about the situation as well so I asked around in the chat room for this game and a dude in there claimed he's friends with Releford and that he said Selby should hopefully be cleared to play this week sometime. Take that with a grain of salt of course.

[Shogun]

Good to hear Markief is gonna play

[Mr. Laz]

1471 on time warner HD channel

but tbh it doesn't look much better than the SD channel

[Shogun]

I love me some Tyrel reed

[Mr. Laz]

it's about time for Little to step-up

[Mr. Laz]

Here's to hoping that Washburn kicks the crap out of us tonight.


we need to get a couple losses out of the way before Self can get his motivational mojo going.

[Shogun]

Looking good

[Bearcat]

Here's to hoping that Washburn kicks the crap out of us tonight.


we need to get a couple losses out of the way before Self can get his motivational mojo going.

Someone is in mid-season form already...

[Shogun]

Marcus is looking much improved. Chemistry is a little off but that is what exhibition is for

[KC_Connection]

If Marcus Morris has turned into a 75% FT shooter, look out NCAA. Crazy efficiency.

[Mr. Laz]

Someone is in mid-season form already...thank you :D

[Chiefs Pantalones]

DON'T YOU INJURE M&M YOU BASTARD

[Mr. Laz]

twins looking good

[KC_Connection]

The whole team's FT% is quite impressive so far, really. I guess that won't be a worry down the stretch of games.

[Mr. Laz]

Reed looks like he might of taken another step too

[Shogun]

Im pretty happy with the team so far, I wanna see selby!

[KC_Connection]

Washburn's mascot, the Ichabod, honors the school's early benefactor, Ichabod Washburn, a 19th century Massachusetts industrialist.

http://cjonline.com/files/editorial/images/morris/topeka/web/302673_web_new082110WEBICHABOD.jpg

[Shogun]

^^Bullshit, that guy was probably 10x harrier

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Haven't been able to pay close attention to the game. Has there been any update on Selbys status?

[Shogun]

Haven't been able to pay close attention to the game. Has there been any update on Selbys status?

Nothing other than he couldve played tonight, but theyre trying to play into the good graces of the NCAA that he couldve played, but he didnt. Maybe they will give a reduced suspension.

[Mr. Laz]

where's Withey?

[Bambi]

lol at this team not getting picked to win the big 12 again.

:rofl:

[mikeyis4dcats.]

score?

[Bambi]

score?

64-37

[Shogun]

Marcus and Markief look great.

[KC_Connection]

I'm not sure there's a better, more efficient scorer in the NCAA than Marcus Morris.

[Shogun]

If we're gonna be wasting time on all of those 3's, we have to be efficient with them.

[Shogun]

lol

[KC_Connection]

Robinson doesn't seem to have changed much.

[Shogun]

I'm not sure if its Little or Taylor, but I'm pretty sure its Little, isn't paying shit for attention on the inside and has given up 8 points..

[Shogun]

Bill self : "Ohhhh bullshit, ohhhh bullshit"

[KC_Connection]

I'm not sure if its Little or Taylor, but I'm pretty sure its Little, isn't paying shit for attention on the inside and has given up 8 points..
It's Little. He also doesn't really have the size to play 4.

[Shogun]

Ahh Withy out with injury. Didn't know that.

[Pablo]

Robinson will be in BEAST MODE this year.

Excited.

[KC_Connection]

Robinson will be in BEAST MODE this year.

Excited.
As long as he limits the turnovers.

[Shogun]

rockkkkkkkkkk chalkkkkkkkkkkkk jayyyyyyyyyyyyyhawkkkkk

[Reerun_KC]

Guys what was the final?

610 on the iphone was playing fox sports... yet I get KU football on the iphone.. Seems strange

I wont get any games until longwood in 10 days.

[Shogun]

Guys what was the final?

610 on the iphone was playing fox sports... yet I get KU football on the iphone.. Seems strange

I wont get any games until longwood in 10 days.

92-60 iirc

[BWillie]

Other than our lack of 3 point shooting and post defense, we should be pretty good. I hope Selby can shoot threes or EJ can develop into a consistent 3 pt threat.

[CoMoChief]

Well if the 2 white hypes don't make any 3's......who else is going to step up? 3 point shooting may be a problem for Kansas this season.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Well if the 2 white hypes don't make any 3's......who else is going to step up? 3 point shooting may be a problem for Kansas this season.

Conner can shoot the three and so can Reed.

[Bump]

Well if the 2 white hypes don't make any 3's......who else is going to step up? 3 point shooting may be a problem for Kansas this season.

No way, Selby, Reed, Tyshawn and motherfucking Releford will handle the three's.

[BWillie]

Well if the 2 white hypes don't make any 3's......who else is going to step up? 3 point shooting may be a problem for Kansas this season.

I'm not worried about Reed but Morningstar requires alot of space to fire a three accurately.

[Silock]

We have nothing to worry about at this point. The threes will fall.

[Wreckloose]

Markieff and Marcus can both hit the three, either trailing a play or on a quick step out. \

[CoMoChief]

Conner can shoot the three and so can Reed.

If you think Conner is going to get significant PT to make any impact at all you're nuts.

[CoMoChief]

Markieff and Marcus can both hit the three, either trailing a play or on a quick step out. \

Having the Morris twins step out and shoot beyond 20ft isn't exactly a focal point of the offense.

[Shogun]

Having the Morris twins step out and shoot beyond 20ft isn't exactly a focal point of the offense.

No but every 3 that Markief shot at tonight was dead on fucking accurate

[KC_Connection]

Well if the 2 white hypes don't make any 3's......who else is going to step up? 3 point shooting may be a problem for Kansas this season.
It won't be. Reed and Morningstar have been making threes for their entire college careers, they aren't going to suddenly stop because they had a bad pre-season game.

[sedated]

I think they will get more polished, for sure. The defense should get better - Self likes to build that slowly throughout the season. I wasn't overly excited about the production of some of the unknowns. Releford and Little didn't exactly look like anything special. I would have thought Robinson and Elijah would have looked better, but they don't seem to have progressed very much since their freshman years (a far cry from what we got in 2008 from Collins and Arthur).

[Reerun_KC]

I think they will get more polished, for sure. The defense should get better - Self likes to build that slowly throughout the season. I wasn't overly excited about the production of some of the unknowns. Releford and Little didn't exactly look like anything special. I would have thought Robinson and Elijah would have looked better, but they don't seem to have progressed very much since their freshman years (a far cry from what we got in 2008 from Collins and Arthur).

I think I will give ol bill the benefite of the doubt...

Those guys will be gamers come conference time. going to be a fun year...

[Lzen]

lol at this team not getting picked to win the big 12 again.

:rofl:

You should temper that enthusiasm a bit. This is a Div II school they played last night.

[RockChalk]

I think I will give ol bill the benefite of the doubt...

Those guys will be gamers come conference time. going to be a fun year...

Why would you give BS that? You're crazy! He's never improved in-season before! Message board posters know more than him! AGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

[Lzen]

If you think Conner is going to get significant PT to make any impact at all you're nuts.

They were talking about the possibility of Teahan taking a redshirt this season. Makes sense to me.

[Reerun_KC]

You should temper that enthusiasm a bit. This is a Div II school they played last night.

Wait? Are we still talking about football? ;)

[Reerun_KC]

They were talking about the possibility of Teahan taking a redshirt this season. Makes sense to me.

Might be a good thing...

I can agree with this.

[RockChalk]

They were talking about the possibility of Teahan taking a redshirt this season. Makes sense to me.

I also am not sure why he gets so much credit for being a 3-pt threat? I know we always hear about how much of a sharpshooter he is in practice, but he hasn't hit one meaningful shot in a regular game. And I have zero faith that he ever could or would.

Not to be down on the guy, but I get tired of people saying that he can shoot the three. I don't give a rats ass if he is 200/200 in practice, he shoots about 1% in real games (not mop-up duty garbage where those guys run and throw the ball around like it's on fire).

[sedated]

I also am not sure why he gets so much credit for being a 3-pt threat? I know we always hear about how much of a sharpshooter he is in practice, but he hasn't hit one meaningful shot in a regular game. And I have zero faith that he ever could or would.

Not to be down on the guy, but I get tired of people saying that he can shoot the three. I don't give a rats ass if he is 200/200 in practice, he shoots about 1% in real games (not mop-up duty garbage where those guys run and throw the ball around like it's on fire).

I think its because Teahen was regarded as a 3-point threat coming out of HS, and that's why we recruited him, a la Tyrel Reed. They hoped he could develop the other aspects of his game.

While he hasn't made a big shot in a meaningful game, he hasn't missed one either :D

[Demonpenz]

Teahen finally is out of the Majors and is trying to play pointguard now? thanks dayton

[Bambi]

You should temper that enthusiasm a bit. This is a Div II school they played last night.

My laughing at the fact that KU didn't get picked to win the Big 12 had nothing to do with last night's opponent.

That was just pure coincidence.

[Reerun_KC]

My laughing at the fact that KU didn't get picked to win the Big 12 had nothing to do with last night's opponent.

That was just pure coincidence.

who cares if they are picked or not? They dont hand out trophies for preseason rankings...

And if you look at the time Bill has been at KU... Wining the Big 12 hasnt been much of a problem...

I like letting KSU deal with all the pressure of the media and expectations.. Its going to be fun to watch....

[Bambi]

who cares if they are picked or not? They dont hand out trophies for preseason rankings...

And if you look at the time Bill has been at KU... Wining the Big 12 hasnt been much of a problem...

I like letting KSU deal with all the pressure of the media and expectations.. Its going to be fun to watch....

true

[Reerun_KC]

true

And without bringing out the :deevee:purple pussies... I dont think they will stay at the top very long...

[Mr. Laz]

We have nothing to worry about at this point. The threes will fall.since when? shooting 3's has been our problem for years.

[RockChalk]

since when? shooting 3's has been our problem for years.

Mr. Chalmers disagrees....

http://www.nbadraft.net/files/images/chalmers01.jpg

[Mr. Laz]

Mr. Chalmers disagrees....

yea, cuz one player and one shot means everything.

KU is a low post/passing type team ... they don't run and gun. Self doesn't want it, Self doesn't coach it.

use it or lose ... we don't use it so we lose it. Our outside shooting(even FT shooting tbh) usually gets worse as the season goes along.

[Bambi]

I would like KU to shoot 3's better but if I had to choose if they had a stronger outside game compared to what they have now I'd take what they are now.

[CoMoChief]

yea, cuz one player and one shot means everything.

KU is a low post/passing type team ... they don't run and gun. Self doesn't want it, Self doesn't coach it.

use it or lose ... we don't use it so we lose it. Our outside shooting(even FT shooting tbh) usually gets worse as the season goes along.

This team is very athletic....i bet Self runs a lot more this season than he's done in the past.

[sedated]

KU is a low post/passing type team ... they don't run and gun. Self doesn't want it, Self doesn't coach it.

ahh, the Self hate is BACK!

Like they said in the broadcast last night, look at Tulsa team that went to the E8. Self has run, even at KU, including 2008 when we won it all. Just because he isn't Roy, and likes to play defense, doesn't mean he doesn't run.

yea, cuz one player and one shot means everything.

use it or lose ... we don't use it so we lose it. Our outside shooting(even FT shooting tbh) usually gets worse as the season goes along.

3-point Field Goal Percentage Leaders:
2009-2010 season
#5 Kansas 40.9%

2008-2009
#32 Kansas 38.0%

2007-2008
#13 Kansas 39.8%

2006-2007
Kansas not in top 40

[Mr. Laz]

ahh, the Self hate is BACK!

Like th
once again ... i don't hate Self :spock:

ok, so in you opinion what is the weakest part of KU's game?

and

what has been the weakest part of KU's game during Self's tenure?

EVERY TEAM has strong and weak parts of their game!!!!!!!!

what is KU's?




note: if you don't say outside shooting then you're a liar.

[Mr. Laz]

This team is very athletic....i bet Self runs a lot more this season than he's done in the past.
he didn't run with Roy's old players and they were built for it.

[RockChalk]

yea, cuz one player and one shot means everything.

KU is a low post/passing type team ... they don't run and gun. Self doesn't want it, Self doesn't coach it.

use it or lose ... we don't use it so we lose it. Our outside shooting(even FT shooting tbh) usually gets worse as the season goes along.

I feared the sarcasm wouldn't be picked up.

Next time I will use the /sarcasm

[Mr. Laz]

3-point Field Goal Percentage Leaders:
2009-2010 season
#5 Kansas 40.9%

2008-2009
#32 Kansas 38.0%

2007-2008
#13 Kansas 39.8%

2006-2007
Kansas not in top 40
3-pt attempted(top 40)
2009-2010 - not ranked

2008-2009 - not ranked

2007-2008 - not ranked

2006-2007 - not ranked

[Mr. Laz]

I feared the sarcasm wouldn't be picked up.

Next time I will use the /sarcasm
my bad :sulk:

[sedated]

ok, so in you opinion what is the weakest part of KU's game?

and

what has been the weakest part of KU's game during Self's tenure?

EVERY TEAM has strong and weak parts of their game!!!!!!!!

what is KU's?



note: if you don't say outside shooting then you're a liar.

I don't think its fair to say they "never shoot great from the outside", because 1) the stats prove the opposite, and 2) its generally everyone's biggest weakness, because it ain't easy to do.

Remember the Roy days, he HATED 3-pointers. Just because step 1 of Self's offensive philosophy is to get the ball inside, doesn't mean he doesn't want them shooting 3's - he just wants them to be open 3's.


As for their biggest weakness this year? who knows, its only been one game.

[Mr. Laz]

free throw % (top 40)

2006-2010 not ranked

[Mr. Laz]

I don't think its fair to say they "never shoot great from the outside", because 1) the stats prove the opposite, and 2) its generally everyone's biggest weakness, because it ain't easy to do.

Remember the Roy days, he HATED 3-pointers. Just because step 1 of Self's offensive philosophy is to get the ball inside, doesn't mean he doesn't want them shooting 3's - he just wants them to be open 3's.


As for their biggest weakness this year? who knows, its only been one game.nice side step,avoidance,spin ...

ok, last year what was their weakness?

and the year before?

and the year before?


once again ... if you don't say outside shooting, you're not being truthful

Self is "go inside, generate offense from your defense" type coach

shooting outside is a necessary evil

our teams don't shoot outside much and since they aren't used to shooting from the outside regularly then when the pressure is on you struggle.

[Silock]

since when? shooting 3's has been our problem for years.

I hope that was sarcasm.

[Mr. Laz]

I hope that was sarcasm.ok, then you tell me ... what has been KU's biggest weakness?

[Zebedee DuBois]

I don't know...I think our 3 point situation has vastly improved over the Roy years. It seemed that Roy had 1.5 designated 3 point shooters, and if they got in a funk we were screwed. Now we have 3 or 4 who can take the shot.
But you can't rely on the 3, it won't always be there.

[Mr. Laz]

I don't know...I think our 3 point situation has vastly improved over the Roy years. It seemed that Roy had 1.5 designated 3 point shooters, and if they got in a funk we were screwed. Now we have 3 or 4 who can take the shot.
But you can't rely on the 3, it won't always be there.
this is not about Roy, this is about Self

So maybe you will be somebody to finally answer the question since all the other homers won't.

In you opinion, what has been KU's biggest weakness under Bill Self?

gotta be something ... jersey's?Cheerleaders?

c'mon, name something.

[Zebedee DuBois]

I don't think the biggest weakness has necessarily been 3pt shooting...although I am sure there are nights when that was weak.

If you are truly asking what "I" think is a weakness...it has been some mental things. Like "killer instinct" or "taking an opponent lightly". Last year's team, as a team, hadn't faced the adversity that the 08 team had, and so didn't think a bunch of kids from UNI could do that to them...that is mental. Whatever it takes to fix that - that is our biggest weaknesss

[Shogun]

IMO, its preparation come tourney time. It seems were ALWAYS fine in regular season, but once the Tourney starts its like were an entirely different team. I dont know what can be said or done about it because the team constantly changes. But like Last year, we shouldnt have been beaten that easy, we need to treat every game like we're playing for a title. If that makes sense.

[Shogun]

I don't think the biggest weakness has necessarily been 3pt shooting...although I am sure there are nights when that was weak.

If you are truly asking what "I" think is a weakness...it has been some mental things. Like "killer instinct" or "taking an opponent lightly". Last year's team, as a team, hadn't faced the adversity that the 08 team had, and so didn't think a bunch of kids from UNI could do that to them...that is mental. Whatever it takes to fix that - that is our biggest weaknesss

Basically what I said below you :D

[Zebedee DuBois]

Basically what I said below you :D

I'm sure that there are more than the two of us that think this. :)

[KC_Connection]

since when? shooting 3's has been our problem for years.
No, it hasn't. It's been a strength for years now.

They were 7th in the NCAA last year in 3PT% (1st in Big 12), 63rd in 2009 (3rd in Big 12), 14th in 2008 (1st in Big 12), 22nd in 2007 (3rd in Big 12), and 44th in 2006 (2nd in Big 12).

Seriously, this stuff isn't even hard to look up.

[KC_Connection]

yea, cuz one player and one shot means everything.

KU is a low post/passing type team ... they don't run and gun. Self doesn't want it, Self doesn't coach it.

use it or lose ... we don't use it so we lose it. Our outside shooting(even FT shooting tbh) usually gets worse as the season goes along.
None of this is backed up by factual evidence, and most of it goes against what has been commonly observed by most fans.

#1. A low post/passing type teams needs good 3PT shooters. That's why KU has recruited so many of them.

#2. There is nothing "run and gun" about three pointers. Even the most restricted offensive teams can take a bunch of them.

[KC_Connection]

once again ... i don't hate Self :spock:

ok, so in you opinion what is the weakest part of KU's game?

and

what has been the weakest part of KU's game during Self's tenure?

EVERY TEAM has strong and weak parts of their game!!!!!!!!

what is KU's?




note: if you don't say outside shooting then you're a liar.
If it's outside shooting, Self is pretty much the greatest coach of all time, because they've been an elite shooting team throughout his tenure.

[Silock]

ok, then you tell me ... what has been KU's biggest weakness?

Playing down to the level of the competition.

[KC_Connection]

Playing down to the level of the competition.
That's every elite team's biggest problem, though.

FT% has been a huge weakness in recent years, but that happens when your offense runs through bigs like ours. Last night was really impressive in that regard, though...it's impossible to stress how important free throw shooting is late in NCAA games.

[Silock]

That's every elite team's biggest problem, though.

FT% has been a huge weakness in recent years, but that happens when your offense runs through bigs like ours. Last night was really impressive in that regard, though...it's impossible to stress how important free throw shooting is late in NCAA games.

I'm just saying that picking a statistical category is pretty crazy, considering how good we've been.

[sedated]

this is not about Roy, this is about Self

So maybe you will be somebody to finally answer the question since all the other homers won't.

In you opinion, what has been KU's biggest weakness under Bill Self?

gotta be something ... jersey's?Cheerleaders?

c'mon, name something.

first, as I said before, 3-point shooting is an easy thing to pick on because its hard for everybody. AND, the stats don't support your opinion.

second, its hard to name ONE weakness they have had over a 7-year span. We had a lot of issues with perimeter defense last year. In 2006-2007, we couldn't dribble-drive our way to a good shot in the half-court. I can't say we had any weaknesses in 2007-2008, we won it all. 2008-2009, we didn't have any scoring depth (but we had Sherron and Brady knocking down 3's, when someone else could create and dish it out)

[BWillie]

No, it hasn't. It's been a strength for years now.

They were 7th in the NCAA last year in 3PT% (1st in Big 12), 63rd in 2009 (3rd in Big 12), 14th in 2008 (1st in Big 12), 22nd in 2007 (3rd in Big 12), and 44th in 2006 (2nd in Big 12).

Seriously, this stuff isn't even hard to look up.

Yeah I'd have to agree w/ this. We have been much better at 3 point shooting under Self and we had some great individual shooters in the Roy dayz.

[RockChalk]

my bad :sulk:

While I would disagree that 3-pt shooting is a weakness, it's definitely not a strong point of KU. I'd be more likely to say it's a weak part of our offense, but it doesn't keep us from winning. That's why I think labeling it as a weakness is going too far.