IF we can get Moss, should we sign him?

[Frazod]

Yes or No.

[RustShack]

FUCK YES!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Yes

[FRCDFED]

No

[RedThat]

No. A big FAT no.

[LaChapelle]

Depends on if he has to have access to a decent Creme Brulle(SP?)

[Pablo]

Oh Hell Yes.

[Chiefspants]

http://elliottkember.com/philosoraptor.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

Indifferent

[LaChapelle]

How do you force Chambers to set for less than full effort
allow Moss to play
and keep respect in the locker room

[Bugeater]

Dude has too much baggage...pass.

[RustShack]

Bowe-------Albert-Waters-Weigmann-Lilja-Richardson-Moeaki-------Moss
----McCluster---------------Cassel

``````````````````````Chalres/Jones

How do you stop that offense?

[Shogun]

Yes

[kysirsoze]

Bowe-------Albert-Waters-Weigmann-Lilja-Richardson-Moeaki-------Moss
----McCluster---------------Cassel

``````````````````````Chalres/Jones

How do you stop that offense?

Don't worry. He'll take care of that. ;)

[Jewish Rabbi]

Shoulda been a public poll...

[kysirsoze]

Oh.... also yes.

[Frazod]

Shoulda been a public poll...

:spock:

It is a public poll.

[Bugeater]

Shoulda been a public poll...
Ummm....

[kysirsoze]

:spock:

It is a public poll.

PUBLIC-ER!!!!!!

[Ultra Peanut]

If you voted no you deserve to be shot in the brain with a missile.

[ChiefsCountry]

Bowe-------Albert-Waters-Weigmann-Lilja-Richardson-Moeaki-------Moss
----McCluster---------------Cassel

``````````````````````Chalres/Jones

How do you stop that offense?

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/matt-cassel-chiefs.jpg

[JD10367]

Not really sure this is an accurate question. I don't think he can "fall" to the Chiefs. It's not like they have all 32 GMs on speed dial, and ask them one by one, "Do you want him?" I think the way it works is: teams who are interested put in a claim, and at 4pm tomorrow the team with the worst record gets him. I don't think you can put in a claim, find out you got him, and then say, "Oh, we were just kidding."

[Frazod]

Not really sure this is an accurate question. I don't think he can "fall" to the Chiefs. It's not like they have all 32 GMs on speed dial, and ask them one by one, "Do you want him?" I think the way it works is: teams who are interested put in a claim, and at 4pm tomorrow the team with the worst record gets him. I don't think you can put in a claim, find out you got him, and then say, "Oh, we were just kidding."

Valid point, but you get the idea. I'm basically looking for those who want him on the team and those who don't.

[007]

no fuggin way

[kysirsoze]

Not really sure this is an accurate question. I don't think he can "fall" to the Chiefs. It's not like they have all 32 GMs on speed dial, and ask them one by one, "Do you want him?" I think the way it works is: teams who are interested put in a claim, and at 4pm tomorrow the team with the worst record gets him. I don't think you can put in a claim, find out you got him, and then say, "Oh, we were just kidding."

I just took it to mean he wanted to take the question of whether or not we can get him out of the arguement.

[RustShack]

Not really sure this is an accurate question. I don't think he can "fall" to the Chiefs. It's not like they have all 32 GMs on speed dial, and ask them one by one, "Do you want him?" I think the way it works is: teams who are interested put in a claim, and at 4pm tomorrow the team with the worst record gets him. I don't think you can put in a claim, find out you got him, and then say, "Oh, we were just kidding."

:spock:

[BigMeatballDave]

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/matt-cassel-chiefs.jpgWhile I'm not a big fan of Cassel or Moss, I'm not blind to the fact that Moss could open things up for the passing game.

[LaChapelle]

If I was DJ I'd say get me the fuck away from these hypocritical dipshits

[ReynardMuldrake]

I don't know, I'm kinda torn on this. He would come with big positives and big negatives. But if anyone could control him I would think it could be Haley.

We are hurting too bad for a 2nd WR. I would have to say yes.

[KcMizzou]

In the grand scheme of things? No. I'd rather they stuck with the plan. It's working.

Would he make our offense better right now? Yes.

[RustShack]

In the grand scheme of things? No. I'd rather they suck.

FYP

[Extra Point]

Yes. $10 Million over three seasons: 4-2-4. No deal? Good luck.

[KcMizzou]

FYPBullshit, I said what I intended to say.

[RustShack]

Bullshit, I said what I intended to say.

Oh. My bad.

[tmax63]

Pioli knows him, so does Cassel, Vrabel and others. I'll leave it to the coaches/GM to make that decision. He could help this team but they have a better idea of how big a cancer he is and whether he can be controlled or not. I trust Pioli/Haley not to screw this team up after just getting them started down the right track.

[KcMizzou]

Oh. My bad.The "FYP" stuff is annoying as hell. I've been guilty of it now and then too, though.

[MMXcalibur]

Not just no. But a hearty and loud, F**K NO!

[Sure-Oz]

Why not for 9 games...

[RedThat]

In the grand scheme of things? No. I'd rather they stuck with the plan. It's working.

Would he make our offense better right now? Yes.

One thing people have to keep in mind, a person like Moss is so powerful he can disrupt team chemistry.

In our case, team chemistry prevails over a talented receiver w/ a crappy attitude. We all know it is waaay more important in the end.

*This is why you don't sign Moss. He not only undermines team chemistry, but overall morale as well.

[Sure-Oz]

The "FYP" stuff is awesome, i fucking love it and I've been guilty of it now and then too, though.

FYP

[BWillie]

Not wanting a guy like Randy Moss is like me walking down the street, finding a $100 bill laying on the ground but not picking it up because I don't like the president on it. It's stupid.

[007]

I can't believe people actually want this guy considering he only gives a max 85% 40% of the time.

[Sure-Oz]

If anything he's a decoy even if hes not giving a fuck...the defense has to pay attention

[chief52]

This is not going to be the year for the Chiefs. While I am thrilled with the improvement, the Chiefs are not Super Bowl bound. Why pick up such an at risk piece of sh@t for one year and risk setting the team back for next season. He will be gone after the season anyway. Keep to the long range plan.

Not part of the plan...

[BWillie]

I can't believe people actually want this guy considering he only gives a max 85% 40% of the time.

I'd rather have a guy like that then a guy who gives 100% all the time and sucks.

[KcMizzou]

I can't believe people actually want this guy considering he only gives 85% 40% of the time.But 20% of the time he gives 100%!!

Side note, would you trust him to make a block (or even to attempt one) in the running game? It matters.

[Frazod]

I can't believe people actually want this guy considering he only gives a max 85% 40% of the time.

I want him because even though this is true, he's still at least twice as good as Bowe and so much better than all the rest of them that it can't even be measured.

[BWillie]

This is not going to be the year for the Chiefs. While I am thrilled with the improvement, the Chiefs are not Super Bowl bound. Why pick up such an at risk piece of sh@t for one year and risk setting the team back for next season. He will be gone after the season anyway. Keep to the long range plan.

Not part of the plan...

Yeah you know f*ck it. Let's not even try. I mean we are 5-2 and in line to win the division, but hell. Your right. Screw it. Let's not even try. Pack it up boys, better luck next year.

[Sure-Oz]

I think if you grab Moss and we 'control' him we are a contender, we are one dimensional right now and he would help alot in the passing, but thats an if...if he sucks wow he gets cut again and rapes himself of getting a contract next year.

[BWillie]

I think if you grab Moss and we 'control' him we are a contender, we are one dimensional right now and he would help alot in the passing, but thats an if...if he sucks wow he gets cut again and rapes himself of getting a contract next year.

Exactly, and especially if he clears waivers. He's going to be cheap. I don't think the Chiefs will put in a claim for him because they are so far down the waiver wire, but what do I know.

[KcMizzou]

I think if you grab Moss and we 'control' him we are a contender, we are one dimensional right now and he would help alot in the passing, but thats an if...if he sucks wow he gets cut again and rapes himself of getting a contract next year.That's the thing. If the guy feels like it's his "Last Chance", he'd be a badass.

But he's had so many "last chances", I don't think he believes in them anymore.

He needs to humbled. Needs a little motivation to put some serious work in. But he's never been that way, and I highly doubt he is now.

[Extra Point]

This is not going to be the year for the Chiefs. While I am thrilled with the improvement, the Chiefs are not Super Bowl bound. Why pick up such an at risk piece of sh@t for one year and risk setting the team back for next season. He will be gone after the season anyway. Keep to the long range plan.

Not part of the plan...

Man, that is so Don Childress!

[Sure-Oz]

I'd hope Haley could get him going, challenge him and come through...guess we'll see. Dolphins are highly interested and may grab him before he gets to us anyway

[007]

But 20% of the time he gives 100%!!

Side note, would you trust him to make a block (or even to attempt one) in the running game? It matters.Personally, I don't think the guy ever gives 100%. And NO, I would never trust him to make a block.

I want him because even though this is true, he's still at least twice as good as Bowe and so much better than all the rest of them that it can't even be measured.That may be true but this guy is a cancer that no team has been able to control. Why everyone thinks Haley will be any different is baffling to me.

[milkman]

Not wanting a guy like Randy Moss is like me walking down the street, finding a $100 bill laying on the ground but not picking it up because I don't like the president on it. It's stupid.

That is the absolute worst analogy ever.

[cosmo20002]

I want him because even though this is true, he's still at least twice as good as Bowe and so much better than all the rest of them that it can't even be measured.

Check his stats against Bowe's this year. Bowe's are better. That's how far Moss has fallen. Moss is averaging 3 receptions and 44 yds per game. Wow.

And why is this being so easily overlooked--The Patriots, a team that knows something about winning, didn't want him. The Vikings, who can use all the help they can get, CUT him. I see nothing attractive about Moss.

[cosmo20002]

Not wanting a guy like Randy Moss is like me walking down the street, finding a $100 bill laying on the ground but not picking it up because I don't like the president on it. It's stupid.

That IS one of the stupidest things I've read on here. How does that even make any sense?

[Reerun_KC]

Moss is like a serious hot chick with a dripping snatch and a STD. You really really want to hit it but your afraid of the results.

Moss IMO is franchise/team suicide. Just not worth the risk. But hey I could be wrong. It sure would bring the spot light and 24x7 media coverage. Knowin good and well he will destroy anything in his path.

[007]

Not wanting a guy like Randy Moss is like me walking down the street, finding a $100 bill laying on the ground but not picking it up because I don't like the president on it. It's stupid.Well, lets see here. A $100 bill is worth $100 today, yesterday, tomorrow. Moss might give you 40% one day, then 85% another but rarely if ever 100%.

Stupid analogy.

[Jewish Rabbi]

:spock:

It is a public poll.

Yeah, I'm a moron. Nm

[Thig Lyfe]

Not wanting a guy like Randy Moss is like me walking down the street, finding a $100 bill laying on the ground but not picking it up because I don't like the president on it. It's stupid.

I fuckin' hate President Franklin!

[007]

Not on my computer...Your computer must need more memory then.

[007]

I ****in' hate President Franklin!ROFL

[Bewbies]

Bowe-------Albert-Waters-Weigmann-Lilja-Richardson-Moeaki-------Moss
----McCluster---------------Cassel

``````````````````````Chalres/Jones

How do you stop that offense?

That's how.

[BWillie]

Well, lets see here. A $100 bill is worth $100 today, yesterday, tomorrow. Moss might give you 40% one day, then 85% another but rarely if ever 100%.

Stupid analogy.

Bah. Point is alot of you don't want him on the Chiefs because you don't like him...but you still have to acknowledge it's value.

[RustShack]

I actually remember Moss making a key block his first game with the Vikes..

[BWillie]

Well, lets see here. A $100 bill is worth $100 today, yesterday, tomorrow. Moss might give you 40% one day, then 85% another but rarely if ever 100%.

Stupid analogy.

60% of the time, it works every time.

[KcMizzou]

Bah. Point is alot of you don't want him on the Chiefs because you don't like him...but you still have to acknowledge it's value.He'd instantly help the passing game. This is true.

If you ignore everything else, I agree with you.

[cosmo20002]

Bah. Point is alot of you don't want him on the Chiefs because you don't like him...but you still have to acknowledge it's value.

What value? That he used to be great? Pats didn't want him, Vikes cut him. 3 catches and 40yds a game isn't all that valuable.

[RustShack]

What value? That he used to be great? Pats didn't want him, Vikes cut him. 3 catches and 40yds a game isn't all that valuable.

Better than our second WR isn't it? Hands are sure as hell more reliable too.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Since Chambers has decided to slouch it out this year, a deep thread would be helpful for this team. I'll take Moss.

[Frazod]

Check his stats against Bowe's this year. Bowe's are better. That's how far Moss has fallen. Moss is averaging 3 receptions and 44 yds per game. Wow.

And why is this being so easily overlooked--The Patriots, a team that knows something about winning, didn't want him. The Vikings, who can use all the help they can get, CUT him. I see nothing attractive about Moss.

It's kind of hard to judge him based on what he did in Minnesota, since they're such a train wreck right now.

It's also difficult to quantify how other parts of the offense benefit from the added attention Moss gets from every defense he plays against, every week. Do you think there's a defense out there that bases their game plan on shutting down Stone Hands Bowe? I don't.

[BWillie]

What value? That he used to be great? Pats didn't want him, Vikes cut him. 3 catches and 40yds a game isn't all that valuable.

Yeah you know Randy Moss has no value. You are right. I mean he had 1,300 yards last year and when playing an entire season he has never had below 1,000. Chris Chambers or that Horne guy definitely is a more viable option. Certainly Randy Moss has no value because who wants to make the defense have to defend the entire field. Cuz the Chiefs definitely haven't had a receiver with that many yards in well, this decade.

[007]

Bah. Point is alot of you don't want him on the Chiefs because you don't like him...but you still have to acknowledge it's value.His negatives > his positives

[Frazod]

He'd instantly help the passing game. This is true.

If you ignore everything else, I agree with you.

He'd instantly help the running game, too.

[007]

Yeah you know Randy Moss has no value. You are right. I mean he had 1,300 yards last year and when playing an entire season he has never had below 1,000. Chris Chambers or that Horne guy definitely is a more viable option. Certainly Randy Moss has no value because who wants to make the defense have to defend the entire field. Cuz the Chiefs definitely haven't had a receiver with that many yards in well, this decade.We still don't have a QB that can throw to him. He will end up bitching about Cassel every single week. Yeah, that is exactly what this team needs.

I want to dump Cassel as much as the next guy but I don't want some self centered cry baby coming in here and screwing up what the team has built so quickly to do it.

[BWillie]

We still don't have a QB that can throw to him. He will end up bitching about Cassel every single week. Yeah, that is exactly what this team needs.

I want to dump Cassel as much as the next guy but I don't want some self centered cry baby coming in here and screwing up what the team has built so quickly to do it.

Bla bla bla...Moss still had a fine year when Cassel was throwing to him. Moss is better than anything out there and anything we have. You pull the trigger if you can.

[Sure-Oz]

I dont think Moss would destroy the team, too many positive leaders here.

[Frazod]

We still don't have a QB that can throw to him. He will end up bitching about Cassel every single week. Yeah, that is exactly what this team needs.

I want to dump Cassel as much as the next guy but I don't want some self centered cry baby coming in here and screwing up what the team has built so quickly to do it.

You realize that he'd catch a lot of those overthrown balls that our current batch of assclowns can't get to, right?

[007]

Bla bla bla...Moss still had a fine year when Cassel was throwing to him. Moss is better than anything out there and anything we have. You pull the trigger if you can.He bitched about Cassel then. Do you honestly think he would even want to play here with Cassel being the QB?

That guy has no interest in playing for KC at all. It would be a waste of roster space.

[007]

You realize that he'd catch a lot of those overthrown balls that our current batch of assclowns can't get to, right?No he wouldn't, because he will have given up on the play before the ball was even thrown.

[cosmo20002]

Yeah you know Randy Moss has no value. You are right. I mean he had 1,300 yards last year and when playing an entire season he has never had below 1,000. Certainly Randy Moss has no value because who wants to make the defense have to defend the entire field. Cuz the Chiefs definitely haven't had a receiver with that many yards in well, this decade.

Last year is last year. This year, Bowe has better numbers.

What no one has even tried to explain is why, if Moss is so valuable--Why did the Pats ditch him? I assume they would like to have someone who had 1300 yards last year. Why did the Vikes cut him? I assume they would like to have someone who had 1300 yards last year.

TWO TEAMS ALREADY BAILED ON THIS GUY THIS YEAR. When does that ever happen? There's something wrong with him. Oh, but he'll be different as a Chief, right?

[Frazod]

No he wouldn't, because he will have given up on the play before the ball was even thrown.

I realize there's just no convincing some of you. You think he's a prick and a headcase and a prima donna, and that's fine. So do I. But he's got the skills, and if he can be controlled, he can make a big difference. And if not, Clark's out a couple of million bucks that he was too cheap to spend on the team anyway.

This is probably all moot anyway. I think you and your side will get your wish when he's claimed by another team.

[Sure-Oz]

Pats are known for not re-signing guys, look at Seymore getting traded

[Sure-Oz]

I don't think he gets to us with all those teams needing WR help, but who knows

[007]

I realize there's just no convincing some of you. You think he's a prick and a headcase and a prima donna, and that's fine. So do I. But he's got the skills, and if he can be controlled, he can make a big difference. And if not, Clark's out a couple of million bucks that he was too cheap to spend on the team anyway.

This is probably all moot anyway. I think you and your side will get your wish when he's claimed by another team.Therein lies the problem.

[TEX]

Yes.

[RustShack]

Every player the Pats let go and traded were obviously cancers. They were also even less respected than Moss because they never had a special press conference about those moves.

[Frazod]

Therein lies the problem.

Therein lies the POTENTIAL problem. Do you really think Pioli and Haley wouldn't lay down the ground rules quickly? And as stupid as Moss seems to be, after the events of the past month even he has to realize that he's on the back end of his career and running out of chances.

[Bump]

HELL YES we should sign Moss. One of the 2 missing pieces to our fucking puzzle.

COME TO KC RANDY!! WE LOVE YOU

[007]

Therein lies the POTENTIAL problem. Do you really think Pioli and Haley wouldn't lay down the ground rules quickly? And as stupid as Moss seems to be, after the events of the past month even he has to realize that he's on the back end of his career and running out of chances.I'm certain they would lay down the ground rules. I'm also certain he won't give a shit.

[RustShack]

How funny would it be if we do get him... and after the first practice here Haley flys that catering service in to serve ROFL

[007]

How funny would it be if we do get him... and after the first practice here Haley flys that catering service in to serve ROFLThat would be a pretty sweet statement.

[Frazod]

I'm certain they would lay down the ground rules. I'm also certain he won't give a shit.

He may have no choice but to give a shit at this point.

And if he doesn't, whack him. People are acting like all he has to do is walk into the locker room and guys will automatically start skipping meetings and smoking crack. Good lord, I realize there is risk, but the reward could be fantastic.

[Bump]

He may have no choice but to give a shit at this point.

And if he doesn't, whack him. People are acting like all he has to do is walk into the locker room and guys will automatically start skipping meetings and smoking crack. Good lord, I realize there is risk, but the reward could be fantastic.

Finally someone here made some sense. :clap:

[Rain Man]

Pats are known for not re-signing guys, look at Seymore getting traded

I voted no, but this is a good point. Seymour, Deion Branch, Ben Watson, Lawyer Malloy, and others were all guys who were team players and who were traded or released by surprise. It's not inconceivable that it happened with Moss, too, in which case he could be a good pickup.

I'd just be a bit concerned about team chemistry. Nasty guys may be productive on their own, but if they make everyone around them worse by dragging down morale, then their net impact on the team may not be positive. Terrell Owens is a perfect example of a good player making his team worse. An unhappy Moss would be the same thing, and I still have strong memories of him jogging routes in Oakland and thinking, "Wow, I'm glad that jerk's not on our team".

[007]

He may have no choice but to give a shit at this point.

And if he doesn't, whack him. People are acting like all he has to do is walk into the locker room and guys will automatically start skipping meetings and smoking crack. Good lord, I realize there is risk, but the reward could be fantastic.Randy Moss lives on his own planet. He hasn't learned yet. He won't start now. Shit, the Raiders even got rid of his ass.

[Frazod]

Randy Moss lives on his own planet. He hasn't learned yet. He won't start now. Shit, the Raiders even got rid of his ass.

Yeah, he sure had a shitty run with his next team, didn't he?

Enough beating my head against the wall for one night. Goodnight.

Hopefully Moss didn't sneak into your house and shortsheet your bed while you were replying to my posts. :D

[007]

Yeah, he sure had a shitty run with his next team, didn't he?

Enough beating my head against the wall for one night. Goodnight.

Hopefully Moss didn't sneak into your house and shortsheet your bed while you were replying to my posts. :DAt least you haven't gotten your gun yet.:)

I just hope that if by some miracle we end up with him, you are right.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm certain they would lay down the ground rules. I'm also certain he won't give a shit.

If that's the case, his NFL career is over.

[007]

If that's the case, his NFL career is over.Let's hope so because I am sick of hearing about him.

[Ming the Merciless]

We wont get the chance, but if we can why not...What would the risk be?

[Psyko Tek]

so when
Gates/Bryant's?jack stack caters
and moss doesn't like
will you still think this was good idea ?

[kysirsoze]

We wont get the chance, but if we can why not...What would the risk be?

He'll probably be mean to someone and our whole team would fall apart. All of our rookies would instantly turn into prima donnas based on his example and Jamaal Charles would suffer a career ending injury when Moss blows a block. IS THAT ENOUGH RISK FOR YOU!!!???!?!

[Ming the Merciless]

He'll probably be mean to someone and our whole team would fall apart. All of our rookies would instantly turn into prima donnas based on his example and Jamaal Charles would suffer a career ending injury when Moss blows a block. IS THAT ENOUGH RISK FOR YOU!!!???!?!

ROFL


OMG I never thought of that.....

You are so right.....If we sign moss our whole team will need therapy.

FUCK MOSS

[LiL stumppy]

Everyone is forgetting the fact that while in NE, and winning, and playing under good coaches, he absolutley dominated the field, and didn't run his mouth..

What do the chiefs have?

A 5-2 record, and good coaching.

And Brady also came out and said he never got into an fight with Moss at the end of his time in NE.. So that didn't even happen..

If we are a legit team and you have the chance to sign him, you absolutley have to, he would do wonders for our O, and if we are winning I bet there wouldn't be one problem, as long as Suckell is throwing his way some.

I'm all for it, if he is a problem, so what, he will be gone after next year, and seriously, guys who are "problems" in locker rooms, don't make that big of an influence on other guys, they really dont. So that's not really an issue.

[HIChief]

No. As much as I'd like another target for Cassel to throw to, and prove to us he's a better QB than we credit him for, this isn't about Cassel. It's about the team, and I think bringing in a rental-receiver, as good as he may be sends the wrong message to the players who gutted it out, made the roster, and are now progressively getting better with each week. Randy Moss would irreparably harm the team synergy that's so elusive even among ball clubs loaded with talent.

[Ming the Merciless]

I think bringing in a rental-receiver, as good as he may be sends the wrong message to the players who gutted it out.... Randy Moss would irreparably harm the team synergy that's so elusive

Not that it matters, because we won't get him for other reasons...

But what exactly is the 'wrong message' we don't want to send to our other recievers?

Also how would it hurt our synergy exactly?

[HIChief]

Not that it matters, because we won't get him for other reasons...

But what exactly is the 'wrong message' we don't want to send to our other recievers?

Also how would it hurt our synergy exactly?

Here's an athlete who has no presence of mind, who cared nothing for his team mates, embarassing them while ridiculing some decent folks just trying to make a living. His pouting over not being the centerpiece of every drive, and his taking plays off all make for an infectious, demoralizing presence. You can see from the Vikings press account that his team mates were divided over his departure. And, they are all but done for the season. There's a reason why Randy Moss has bounced around the league--off of good teams. He was more a detriment to them than an asset.

[michaelj_58]

no thanx

[Ming the Merciless]

random assortment of words

So basically you can't answer any of the questions I asked you.

Fail.

[HIChief]

So basically you can't answer any of the questions I asked you.

Fail.

Let's say you've worked at your place of employ for quite some time, built up some seniority; gained the trust and confidence of your superiors; and good raport with your colleagues. And one day, you come to work and a new guy is sitting at your desk, feet up. You've heard about him; how good he is at your job. And now, you are relegated to back-up--a demotion. On top of that he is arrogant, rude, and doesn't always do his work. Yet, he's pulling down a bigger salary than you'll ever see. He treats you and the rest of your colleagues like shit. How long would it be before the majority of you turn against the new guy and possibly the organization and mutiny? Or, seeing what Mr. hotshot gets away with, adopt the same attitudes? I don't know about you, but having a whining, complaining premadonna in your organization can really be annoying, and disruptive. If the management doesn't or can't bring them in line, it isn't long before they start to lose the their journeymen.

[LiL stumppy]

Let's say you've worked at your place of employ for quite some time, built up some seniority; gained the trust and confidence of your superiors; and good raport with your colleagues. And one day, you come to work and a new guy is sitting at your desk, feet up. You've heard about him; how good he is at your job. And now, you are relegated to back-up--a demotion. On top of that he is arrogant, rude, and doesn't always do his work. Yet, he's pulling down a bigger salary than you'll ever see. He treats you and the rest of your colleagues like shit. How long would it be before the majority of you turn against the new guy and possibly the organization and mutiny? Or, seeing what Mr. hotshot gets away with, adopt the same attitudes? I don't know about you, but having a whining, complaining premadonna in your organization can really be annoying, and disruptive. If the management doesn't or can't bring them in line, it isn't long before they start to lose the their journeymen.

It's a buisness. Whatever is best for the company/team you do.. In this case, it was Haley and Pioli's decision.