North, South Korea exchange fire

[Msmith]

North, South Korea exchange fire; 2 marines killed
AP




Smoke rises from South Korea's Yeonpyeong island near the border against North Korea Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2010. North Korea fired artillery barrages onto AP – Smoke rises from South Korea's Yeonpyeong island near the border against North Korea Tuesday, Nov. 23, …
By HYUNG-JIN KIM and KWANG-TAE KIM, Associated Press Hyung-jin Kim And Kwang-tae Kim, Associated Press – 19 mins ago

INCHEON, South Korea – North and South Korea exchanged artillery fire Tuesday after the North shelled an island near their disputed sea border, killing at least two South Korean marines, setting dozens of buildings ablaze and sending civilians fleeing for shelter.

The clash, which put South Korea's military on high alert, was one of the rivals' most dramatic confrontations since the Korean War ended, and one of the few to put civilians at risk, though no nonmilitary deaths were immediately reported. Sixteen South Korean soldiers and three civilians were injured and the extent of casualties on the northern side was unknown.

The skirmish began when Pyongyang warned the South to halt military drills in the area, according to South Korean officials. When Seoul refused and began firing artillery into disputed waters, albeit away from the North Korean shore, the North retaliated by bombarding the small island of Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations and a small civilian population.

"I thought I would die," said Lee Chun-ok, 54, an islander who said she was watching TV in her home when the shelling began. Suddenly, a wall and door collapsed.

"I was really, really terrified," she told The Associated Press after being evacuated to the port city of Incheon, west of Seoul, "and I'm still terrified."

South Korea responded by firing K-9 155mm self-propelled howitzers and dispatching fighter jets. Officials in Seoul said there could be considerable North Korean casualties. The entire skirmish lasted about an hour.

Each side has threatened the other against another attack.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who convened an emergency security meeting shortly after the initial bombardment, said that an "indiscriminate attack on civilians can never be tolerated."

"Enormous retaliation should be made to the extent that (North Korea) cannot make provocations again," he said.

South Korea holds military exercises like Tuesday's off the west coast about every three months.

The supreme military command in Pyongyang threatened more strikes if the South crossed their maritime border by "even 0.001 millimeter," according to the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

A statement from the North said it was merely "reacting to the military provocation of the puppet group with a prompt powerful physical strike," and accused Seoul of starting the skirmish with its "reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells inside the territorial waters of the" North.

Government officials in Seoul called the bombardments "inhumane atrocities" that violated the 1953 armistice halting the Korean War. The two sides technically remain at war because a peace treaty was never signed, and nearly 2 million troops — including tens of thousands from the U.S. — are positioned on both sides of the world's most heavily militarized border.

The clash, along with continuing worry about the fallout from Ireland's debt crisis, was a factor in pushing Asian and European stock markets sharply lower. Wall Street opened lower.

The exchange represents a sharp escalation of the skirmishes that flare up along the disputed border from time to time. It also comes amid high tensions over the North's apparent progress in its quest for nuclear weapons — Pyongyang claims it has a new uranium enrichment facility — and six weeks after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il anointed his youngest son, Kim Jong Un, as the heir apparent.

"It brings us one step closer to the brink of war," said Peter Beck, a research fellow with the Council on Foreign Relations, "because I don't think the North would seek war by intention, but war by accident, something spiraling out of control has always been my fear."

Columns of thick black smoke rose from homes on the island, video from YTN cable TV showed. Screams and shouts filled the air as shells rained down on the island just south of the disputed sea border.

Yeonpyeong lies a mere seven miles (11 kilometers) from — and within sight of — the North Korean mainland.

The United States, which has more than 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, condemned the attack. In Washington, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs called on North Korea to "halt its belligerent action," and said the U.S. is committed to South Korea's defense.

China, the North's economic and political benefactor, which also maintains close commercial ties to the South, appealed to both sides to remain calm and "to do more to contribute to peace and stability on the peninsula," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

Stephen Bosworth, the Obama administration's special envoy to North Korea, said he discussed the clash with the Chinese foreign minister and that they agreed both sides should show restraint. He reiterated that the U.S. stands firmly with its ally, South Korea.

Gen. Walter Sharp, commander of U.S. forces in South Korea and the U.S.-led U.N. Command, said in a Facebook posting that the U.S. military is "closely monitoring the situation and exchanging information with our (South Korean) allies as we always do."

Yeonpyeong, famous for its crabbing industry and home to about 1,700 civilians as well as South Korean military installations. There are about 30 other small islands nearby.

North Korea fired dozens of rounds of artillery in three separate barrages that began in midafternoon, while South Korea returned fire with about 80 rounds, South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said. Naval operations had been reinforced in the area, the JCS said early Wednesday, declining to elaborate.

Two South Korean marines were killed and 16 injured, it said. Island residents fled to some 20 shelters on the island and sporadic shelling ended after about an hour, according to the military.

The Koreas' 1950s war ended in a truce, but North Korea does not recognize the western maritime border drawn unilaterally by the United Nations at the close of the conflict, and the Koreas have fought three bloody skirmishes there in recent years.

South Korea holds military exercises like Tuesday's off the west coast about every three months.

In March, a South Korean warship went down in the waters while on a routine patrolling mission. Forty-six sailors were killed in what South Korea calls the worst military attack on the country since the war.

Seoul blamed a North Korean torpedo, but Pyongyang denied responsibility.

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Kwang-Tae Kim reported from Seoul. AP writers Seulki Kim, Kelly Olsen and Foster Klug in Seoul contributed to this report.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101123/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash

Well, the blinking contest begins.

[loochy]

pew pew pew

urr urr urr urr

KUH BEWM

POW POW

*machine gun noises*

[Bane]

Good times!
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[Dante84]

To Pyongyang!

...or Seoul!

[vailpass]

Can we keep Europe, North America, Australia, Japan, South America and flush most of the rest of the world?

[blaise]

Can we keep Europe, North America, Australia, Japan, South America and flush most of the rest of the world?

Let's cut France though.

[vailpass]

Let's cut France though.

Just the "men".

[BigMeatballDave]

Off to DC with this shit

[vailpass]

Off to DC with this shit

Its already there.

[salame]

fuck now imma get drafted

[blaise]

Kim Jong il is taking his talents to South Korea.

[Donger]

Off to DC with this shit

:spock:

[Radar Chief]

**** now imma get drafted

Son, there ain’t no draft no more.
There was one?

;)

[DJ's left nut]

Off to DC with this shit

With all due respect, this is a pretty big deal.

This is only marginally more 'DC' than an attack on the pentagon would be.

If this thing continues in the direction it's heading, it will likely have severe ramifications for the US and possibly escalate into a global conflict. In light of the fact that NK has nuclear capabilities, I'd say this bears keeping an eye on.

[InChiefsHeaven]

I copied and pasted this article to the other thread in DC for continuity:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=237207

[chiefsnorth]

I was sent from pranet Xiron to conquer da Earf!

You are worfress Arec Barrwin!

[MOhillbilly]

Drinkin soju and fuckin drinky girls one day and hunkered down gettin ready for war the next.
Fuckin sucks for our troops. You know fort sill & fort hood arent alot of fun to be at today either.

[gblowfish]

Like Dennis Miller said, we should send Bill Clinton as a diplomatic envoy. Call him up and say "Hey Bill, wanna go visit Pyongyang?" He'll say, "Sure, how old is she?"

[Frazod]

Last I heard from KCJohnny, he said he was in South Korea, although not on the DMZ. I certainly hope this situation is diffused peacefully, but fuck, it is long past time that those psychopaths were cut off at the knees.

[gblowfish]

Every 57 years these guys have to stir up the shit....

Guess my 80 year old father will have to go back over there and kick their asses again.
Go 24th Infantry!

[MOhillbilly]

the troops stationed in korea will get there ass handed to them in the inatial invasion and they know it.

[Pants]

the troops stationed in korea will get there ass handed to them in the inatial invasion and they know it.
Whose troops?

[MOhillbilly]

Whose troops?

US troops.

[Discuss Thrower]

US troops.

Nothing serious is going to happen here folks. NK will back down and the status quo will be restored by Friday.

[MOhillbilly]

Nothing serious is going to happen here folks. NK will back down and the status quo will be restored by Friday.

Fact remains that the US positions and FOBs in korea wont be a road bump when 0n3 million commies stream over the border.

[Donger]

I bet that NK test launches a ballistic missile or conducts a nuke test sometime during the next week.

[Dante84]

Fact remains that the US positions and FOBs in korea wont be a road bump when 0n3 million commies stream over the border.

You don't think we've got an escape mode ready? I bet they can close down that bitch in 15 minutes (secure all important documents, computers, data, etc.).

We fight em off for half an hour and drop a cargo plane in and helicopters by the dozens and disappear.

Then we bomb the shit out of it with them inside.

[Brock]

the troops stationed in korea will get there ass handed to them in the inatial invasion and they know it.

No, I don't think so. You can't just make a million troops appear on the border without us knowing about it.

[MOhillbilly]

I bet that NK test launches a ballistic missile or conducts a nuke test sometime during the next week.

At this point they have nothing to lose.

[Saul Good]

No, I don't think so. You can't just make a million troops appear on the border without us knowing about it.

We do know about it.

[Brock]

We do know about it.

And we're probably pretty well prepared for it. Yes?

[MOhillbilly]

No, I don't think so. You can't just make a million troops appear on the border without us knowing about it.

Im sorry brock but i know and have known many guys stationed in korea. They will be the first to tell you that if an invasion comes the US/NATO positions would be overrun in a matter of days if not less.

[Brock]

Im sorry brock but i know and have known many guys stationed in korea. They will be the first to tell you that if an invasion comes the US/NATO positions would be overrun in a matter of days if not less.

I find that hard to believe.

[Donger]

No, I don't think so. You can't just make a million troops appear on the border without us knowing about it.

And how do you stop 1,000,000 NKs on a suicide charge?

[MOhillbilly]

I find that hard to believe.

Feel free to contact my bro vinny. hes on my friends list. Did two tours in the ROK in the past decade, 13M.

[Brock]

And how do you stop 1,000,000 NKs on a suicide charge?

I assume you kill them.

[Donger]

I assume you kill them.

With what?

[2112]

Is this the official North Korea thread? or is the one in DC the official one?

[Brock]

With what?

Can we just go ahead and skip the pointless Q and A and get to the part where you tell me it can't be done and here's why....

[Dayze]

Can we just go ahead and skip the pointless Q and A and get to the part where you tell me it can't be done and here's why....

ROFL

[Donger]

Can we just go ahead and skip the pointless Q and A and get to the part where you tell me it can't be done and here's why....

Well, it can be done, but I don't believe that ROK will use nuclear weapons. So, you are talking about conventional weapons. How do you propose that you stop 1,000,000 invaders with a tremendous amount of artillery fire in support?

[Lonewolf Ed]

Well, it can be done, but I don't believe that ROK will use nuclear weapons. So, you are talking about conventional weapons. How do you propose that you stop 1,000,000 invaders with a tremendous amount of artillery fire in support?

With tons of bullets and American resolve! Do we still have that? Resolve, I mean?

[Brock]

Well, it can be done, but I don't believe that ROK will use nuclear weapons. So, you are talking about conventional weapons. How do you propose that you stop 1,000,000 invaders with a tremendous amount of artillery fire in support?

Wouldn't there be a tremendous amount of artillery fire repelling them? Not to mention bombs and missiles being dropped on them? Not to mention the million or so SKs shooting at them?

[DJ's left nut]

Wouldn't there be a tremendous amount of artillery fire repelling them? Not to mention bombs and missiles being dropped on them? Not to mention the million or so SKs shooting at them?

Don't underestimate NK.

This isn't a bunch of farmers with pitch forks. They are in a military dictatorship - their entire existence revolves around their military.

If NK invaded SK, it would be a cakewalk. The best hope for our troops would be to GTFO of dodge as quickly as possible. If they stay behind it will make the Alamo look like a draw.

The NK military is very well trained, very well armed and pretty much programmed to do what their living God (Kim Jung Il) tells them to do.

They would eventually be repelled by the US military, but not until after they've pretty well decimated the SK forces and whatever permanent bases we had stationed in the area.

[Donger]

Wouldn't there be a tremendous amount of artillery fire repelling them? Not to mention bombs and missiles being dropped on them? Not to mention the million or so SKs shooting at them?

Yes, until is was overrun. Don't forget that NK does have nuclear weapons (albeit not very good ones).

[gblowfish]

Just give them all a $1000 cash back voucher for a Kia, and call it a day.

[Brock]

Don't underestimate NK.

This isn't a bunch of farmers with pitch forks. They are in a military dictatorship - their entire existence revolves around their military.

If NK invaded SK, it would be a cakewalk. The best hope for our troops would be to GTFO of dodge as quickly as possible. If they stay behind it will make the Alamo look like a draw.

The NK military is very well trained, very well armed and pretty much programmed to do what their living God (Kim Jung Il) tells them to do.

They would eventually be repelled by the US military, but not until after they've pretty well decimated the SK forces and whatever permanent bases we had stationed in the area.


Wouldn't that be the end of North Korea? They cannot sustain that kind of an offensive, not without the Chinese support and manpower they got when the actual war was happening.

[Pants]

Yes, until is was overrun. Don't forget that NK does have nuclear weapons (albeit not very good ones).

You don't think the USAF would be able to establish air superiority? Take out their comms, SAM sites, etc and have yourself a good fucking day. GSM.

[Donger]

You don't think the USAF would be able to establish air superiority? Take out their comms, SAM sites, etc and have yourself a good ****ing day. GSM.

Eventually, yes. Absolutely.

[ModSocks]

Man, this thread really makes me want to shoot something.

[chiefsnorth]

Wouldn't that be the end of North Korea? They cannot sustain that kind of an offensive, not without the Chinese support and manpower they got when the actual war was happening.

They could probably make a pretty successful initial Zerg rush. Cause some damage with whatever nuclear capability they may have. They have no long term prospects for holding all of korea

[2112]

This is the official South Korea thread. if you want to discuss North Korea please post in the thread in DC. Rain Man said that the two will not be merged under any circumstances.


Thank you

[DJ's left nut]

Wouldn't that be the end of North Korea? They cannot sustain that kind of an offensive, not without the Chinese support and manpower they got when the actual war was happening.

Absolutely.

Don't attempt to rationalize insanity.

Kim Jung Il is an unwell person. He has no concern with the fact that his country will eventually disappear from the map (especially if the rumors regarding his health are true). The man is off his nut.

You can't apply rational standards to that.

[Hydrae]

And how do you stop 1,000,000 NKs on a suicide charge?

Point them to the order line for the nearest Burger King and tell them it is two for one day.

[Brock]

They could probably make a pretty successful initial Zerg rush. Cause some damage with whatever nuclear capability they may have. They have no long term prospects for holding all of korea

So, that leads me to believe that their objective isn't really to attack, but to draw us into talking to them again.

[chasedude]

Nuke the North and get it over with already!

[Donger]

So, that leads me to believe that their objective isn't really to attack, but to draw us into talking to them again.

Yes.

[Crush]

In my opinion, this is an attempt to beef up Kim Jung Un's military resume.
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[chiefsnorth]

So, that leads me to believe that their objective isn't really to attack, but to draw us into talking to them again.

They may not realize that they have little chance of winning though. Few people there probably have access to the requisite information...

I would have to think there would be some kind of power struggle before he led them all charging into DPRK's destruction. How would he retain the support of the military in the face of a long term campaign that could never succeed?


If they did this they'd get rolled up, Korea would be united under the Rok eventually. (how weird would it be to be a brainwashed DPRK citizen in that scenario - all of a sudden you are out of this isolation and see the world through your own eyes rather than that of the state)

[loochy]

Don't underestimate NK.

This isn't a bunch of farmers with pitch forks. They are in a military dictatorship - their entire existence revolves around their military.

If NK invaded SK, it would be a cakewalk. The best hope for our troops would be to GTFO of dodge as quickly as possible. If they stay behind it will make the Alamo look like a draw.

The NK military is very well trained, very well armed and pretty much programmed to do what their living God (Kim Jung Il) tells them to do.

They would eventually be repelled by the US military, but not until after they've pretty well decimated the SK forces and whatever permanent bases we had stationed in the area.

That's what they said about Iraq in 1991.

[gblowfish]

Ah NO.....Hans Blix?????

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[R&GHomer]

Im sorry brock but i know and have known many guys stationed in korea. They will be the first to tell you that if an invasion comes the US/NATO positions would be overrun in a matter of days if not less.

I'm not sure how much things have changed over the last 20 years. But when I was stationed there that was the general belief. The 2nd Inf Div wasn't considered much more than a speed bump. Most projected the North to make it to soul before being slowed down. All the highways and bridges around the DMZ were rigged with explosives to help but, it wouldn't be enough.

I remember thinking how crazy it was to see small fighter basis in the middle of the main highway. If shit hit the fan, they would close off large sections of the highway and use it as an air strip. How the hell are people supposed to flee south if the highway is shut down.

[chiefsnorth]

I think they should consider moving the G20 to another city, perhaps surreptitiously. No way should all those leaders have been scheduled to be so close to North Korea in the first place. Busan or hell, Tokyo.

That would throw the protestors off too. Bonus

[Msmith]

On June 25, 1950, ten infantry divisions and one tank brigade (150 T-34) of DPRK crossed the 38 line. Five infantry divisions of ROK resisted about three days before Seoul fell. The spanning Han River bridge was blown up while jam-packed with refugees.

1. If the NK tries this time, how long can the ROK troops hold? Many experts say that the NK troops will be like a hot knife going thru the butter against the south. But with the anti-tanks defense the NK will pay dearly for such adventure. Sure, Seoul will be devastated again. But c'est la guerre.

2. How fast the US response this time is also a question. Will they blockade the NK coast again? Will they bomb the supply line and the staging areas? or even the factories in the north? Knowing the NK could retaliate with nuclear weapons?

3. The China card. The modern China is more pragmatic than Mao's time. In fact I would say China is more capitalistic than it is communistic in their people's daily life. Many high level decision-makers have bank deposits in foreign banks. Would they risk to lose everything (bank account) for an unruly neighbor?

[Donger]

I'm not sure how much things have changed over the last 20 years. But when I was stationed there that was the general belief. The 2nd Inf Div wasn't considered much more than a speed bump. Most projected the North to make it to soul before being slowed down. All the highways and bridges around the DMZ were rigged with explosives to help but, it wouldn't be enough.

I remember thinking how crazy it was to see small fighter basis in the middle of the main highway. If shit hit the fan, they would close off large sections of the highway and use it as an air strip. How the hell are people supposed to flee south if the highway is shut down.

What was your impression of the ROK forces?

[Amnorix]

I honestly wish we could just tell China -- "you take them the fuck OUT, or WE WILL, but an independent North Korea is just not in the cards anymore."

[Frazod]

That's what they said about Iraq in 1991.

True, but it also took us six months to mobilize the overwhelming force that blasted them away. Also, at the time we weren't already involved in another shooting war, wrapping another one up and mired in debt.

[MOhillbilly]

True, but it also took us six months to mobilize the overwhelming force that blasted them away. Also, at the time we weren't already involved in another shooting war, wrapping another one up and mired in debt.

Get out of my head fucker!

[Frazod]

Get out of my head fucker!

Better yours than Tom's. :D

[R&GHomer]

What was your impression of the ROK forces?

I didn't have an opportunity to cross train with ROK forces directly, but from what I could tell they are some tough SOB's. They were definitely treated more harshly than their Us counterparts. I used to feel sorry for the really low ranking ones. LOL they were slaves and if they even looked unhappy about it they would get the crap kicked out of them.

[thecoffeeguy]

What was your impression of the ROK forces?

When I was there, there were pretty kick ass. Tough sons of bitches. Their boot camp, they would get the crap beat out of them daily.

Heard stories about the ROK forces in Vietnam. The Viet Cong went out of there way to avoid ROK forces.

[BigMeatballDave]

Kim Jong il is taking his talents to South Korea.ROFL

[MOhillbilly]

When I was there, there were pretty kick ass. Tough sons of bitches. Their boot camp, they would get the crap beat out of them daily.

Heard stories about the ROK forces in Vietnam. The Viet Cong went out of there way to avoid ROK forces.

i also heard the ROK forces get it hard. Doesnt make them tougher than brain dead half starved commies though.

[BigMeatballDave]

With all due respect, this is a pretty big deal.

This is only marginally more 'DC' than an attack on the pentagon would be.

If this thing continues in the direction it's heading, it will likely have severe ramifications for the US and possibly escalate into a global conflict. In light of the fact that NK has nuclear capabilities, I'd say this bears keeping an eye on.Fine. We can keep an eye on it from DC.

[FishingRod]

The South Korean Armed Forces are better trained, better equipped, funded about 30 times more than the North. The Economy of the South Dwarfs the North. They have twice as many people and on and on. Across the board the South is better but the North has a couple of nasty cards they can play. First the North Has a boatload of artillery in place in range of Soul the South's Capital of about 12 million people. And 2nd they have the threat ( I don't know if they have the capacity) of Dropping an atomic bomb or two. The South Just wants the North to go away.

[Donger]

Fine. We can keep an eye on it from DC.

You are outnumbered and surrounded.

[blaise]

Kim Jong-il now says he bombed South Korea as a ploy to get more twitter followers.

[Brock]

Didn't I see some pictures a while back of NK "anti aircraft guns" than turned out to be rocks piled up with a log sticking up out of them?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Every 57 years these guys have to stir up the shit....

Guess my 80 year old father will have to go back over there and kick their asses again.
Go 24th Infantry!

Yeah, my Dad is 83 and was in the Korean war too! I hope this escalates, we need to take NK and Iran down . Really!

[gblowfish]

The pundits are saying North Korea is pulling this crap because they want food.
Let's just air drop a bunch of KFC grilled chicken on their countryside, and maybe they'll calm down.

Nobody here wants to eat that crap, that's for sure....

[ModSocks]

Let's just air drop a bunch of KFC grilled chicken on their countryside, and maybe they'll calm down.

Nobody here wants to eat that crap, that's for sure....

Must.......resist......temptation......

[Rain Man]

When I was there, there were pretty kick ass. Tough sons of bitches. Their boot camp, they would get the crap beat out of them daily.

Heard stories about the ROK forces in Vietnam. The Viet Cong went out of there way to avoid ROK forces.

When I was in 7th grade, my social studies teacher was a Vietnam veteran. I don't remember if he was army or marines, but I remember him saying that you didn't mess with the ROK troops. He said once that there was some kind of riot going on with some civilians, and he was part of the group that was trying unsuccessfully to get them to disperse. They called for help and a bunch of ROK troops showed up, and once the civilians saw them arrive the riot shut down immediately and everyone went home. Apparently the ROK troops didn't pull any punches, and everyone knew it.

[Beef Supreme]

You awe worfress Awec Barwin

[blaise]

You awe worfress Awec Barwin

MATT DAMON! MATT DAMON!

[MOhillbilly]

When I was in 7th grade, my social studies teacher was a Vietnam veteran. I don't remember if he was army or marines, but I remember him saying that you didn't mess with the ROK troops. He said once that there was some kind of riot going on with some civilians, and he was part of the group that was trying unsuccessfully to get them to disperse. They called for help and a bunch of ROK troops showed up, and once the civilians saw them arrive the riot shut down immediately and everyone went home. Apparently the ROK troops didn't pull any punches, and everyone knew it.

My stepdad was 503rd of the 173rd AA and according to him NOONE was tougher in the history of the military.
ROK troops tough? psshhhhhhhh...

[Bwana]

The pundits are saying North Korea is pulling this crap because they want food.
Let's just air drop a bunch of KFC grilled chicken on their countryside, and maybe they'll calm down.

Nobody here wants to eat that crap, that's for sure....

Good call, not only would it calm them down in the short term, but likely kill most of them off within two years. Problem solved......

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[chiefsnorth]

On June 25, 1950, ten infantry divisions and one tank brigade (150 T-34) of DPRK crossed the 38 line. Five infantry divisions of ROK resisted about three days before Seoul fell. The spanning Han River bridge was blown up while jam-packed with refugees.

1. If the NK tries this time, how long can the ROK troops hold? Many experts say that the NK troops will be like a hot knife going thru the butter against the south. But with the anti-tanks defense the NK will pay dearly for such adventure. Sure, Seoul will be devastated again. But c'est la guerre.

2. How fast the US response this time is also a question. Will they blockade the NK coast again? Will they bomb the supply line and the staging areas? or even the factories in the north? Knowing the NK could retaliate with nuclear weapons?

3. The China card. The modern China is more pragmatic than Mao's time. In fact I would say China is more capitalistic than it is communistic in their people's daily life. Many high level decision-makers have bank deposits in foreign banks. Would they risk to lose everything (bank account) for an unruly neighbor?

China has become an economic power on the world stage in just 30 years by trading with the West. I seriously doubt they would jeopardize cutting off that relationship to stand up for what is in truth a very poor nation, and one that is much more valuable to China as a threat than as a menace.

Second, the defending side here has had 50 years to prepare for an invasion, and you mention the clear military advantages in terms of the forces and tech they can bring to bear - and this is to say nothing of the fact that they would probably have an international coalition on the other end of a phone call.

North Korea seems to be suing hoping for a settlement as it were... because they dont want to have to lay this out for judgement.

[chiefsnorth]

Good call, not only would it calm them down in the short term, but likely kill most of them off within two years. Problem solved......

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Yes! Send them whatever this is and the double down KFC sando. Their soldiers will be tubs in no time!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

I really wish Reagan was President now!

[LiveSteam]

And how do you stop 1,000,000 NKs on a suicide charge?

Bo Pelini

[ChiefaRoo]

Fact remains that the US positions and FOBs in korea wont be a road bump when 0n3 million commies stream over the border.

The logistics to put 3million commies on their feet and moving with their equipment South would be enormous. It would take days and days just to get the guys in the front out of the way of the guys coming.

Our Airpower out of Japan and Guam and the USA would decimate them.

It's extremely difficult to invade a territory and hold it. It's much easier to defend. NK could blow their whole load in a week and could raise much hell but they'd be done as a nation after that nukes or no nukes.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The logistics to put 3million commies on their feet and moving with their equipment South would be enormous. It would take days and days just to get the guys in the front out of the way of the guys coming.

Our Airpower out of Japan and Guam and the USA would decimate them.

It's extremely difficult to invade a territory and hold it. It's much easier to defend. NK could blow their whole load in a week and could raise much hell but they'd be done as a nation after that nukes or no nukes.


we really should just put the Hiroshima touch on them and get done with it , which would get Irans attention.

[ChiefaRoo]

we really should just put the Hiroshima touch on them and get done with it , which would get Irans attention.

I think it would be choke points and kill boxes. It would take the US awhile to scrape the NK's from the sky. I assume SK could do that by themselves. Then our bombers could move in on the NK ground troops and lay precision munition all over the place.

One of my buddies was an MP attached to the Marines in Iraq1. He got pics home of the the highway of death (not authorized). Those Iraqis were cooked in their vehicles. It looked like a real life terminator movie. We have better weapons and aircraft now.

[BigRedChief]

With all due respect, this is a pretty big deal.BS.

This is nothing more than North Korean succession politics. The young chip off the old block is showing the generals he is a tough SOB so the generals won't overthrow him and replace him with one of their own.

I'm not saying there is no danger but there is really nothing to worry about, for now. Because both China and the USA have no interest in this spinning out of control for their own selfish reasons. And without China and the USA's support neither of the Korea's can make a move on the other.

[MadMax]

Nuke the pie faces and be done with it already.....

[MadMax]

My Dad died in that conflict, FUCK them!!!!!

[JD10367]

Fuck. This better not make prices on parts for my Hyundai go up...

[Extra Point]

We should have smart-bombed NK's first enrichment plant, in Dec 2001.

[nstygma]

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We used to stack ****s likes you five feet high in Korea... use ya for sand bags.

[GloryDayz]

Since neither the North nor South Koreas are on the Chiefs schedule, so if they nuke each other, and miss a little and take-out China too, it's all good..

[Bwana]

BOOM!

http://www.lahc.edu/classes/chemistry/arias/nuclear-explosion.jpg

[salame]

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