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Rain Man
12-17-2010, 10:57 PM
Just a public service notice to those who haven't noticed. As part of the tax package that passed, your Social Security tax is going to drop from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent this year, so it's basically a 2 percent raise.

I have no idea why they cut Social Security, but I just thought I'd share this.

However some other program is ending so you might not get a full two percent "raise" if you make less than $75,000 ($150,000 for couples). People who make less than $20,000 ($40,000 for couples) may actually pay more taxes when taking it into account. I have no idea what that program (Making Work Pay) is all about.

This may end up in DC, but I thought it was of general interest.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/17/pf/taxes/tax_cut_deal_janpaychecks/index.htm

Tax cut deal: What to expect in your paycheck


By Jeanne Sahadi, senior writerDecember 17, 2010: 4:18 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Come January, you'll start to see some changes in your paycheck, as the new Social Security tax break that President Obama signed into law Friday takes effect.

The measure, part of a sweeping package of tax cuts, will reduce the amount of money workers pay into Social Security in 2011, which will mean more take-home pay for many workers, although not for all.


Workers normally pay 6.2% on their first $106,800 of wages into Social Security. As a result of the tax cut deal passed by the House on Thursday night, they will only pay in 4.2% in 2011.

So, for every thousand dollars in wages per paycheck up to the cap, one would only have $42 withheld (4.2% x $1,000), rather than $62 (6.2% x $1,000).

But given how late in the year it is, it may take employers a couple of pay periods to get everything working as it should.

Employers typically need a few weeks to program and test their new payroll systems. The IRS just issued guidance on Friday morning, a few weeks later than normal because Congress waited until the very last minute to render its decision on tax policy for 2011.

"It could be the third paycheck of the year before you see a 'normal' check," said Scott Mezistrano, senior manager of government relations of the American Payroll Association.

Here's what that might mean:

Say you make $1,000 a paycheck. Your first paycheck in 2011 may have $62 withheld -- or $20 too much -- because your employers' payroll tax system has not been fully re-programmed, Mezistrano said.

To compensate you for that, only $22 may be withheld in your second paycheck (4.2% x $1,000 - $20).

And, with any luck, by your third paycheck in 2011, everything will be set to the right dial.

51 million will take home less
The IRS on Friday asked employers "to adjust their payroll systems as soon as possible but not later than Jan. 31, 2011. For any Social Security tax over withheld during January, employers should make an offsetting adjustment in workers' pay as soon as possible, but not later than March 31, 2011."

Once everything comes out in the wash, however, the Social Security tax breaks will mean several hundred if not a couple of thousand extra dollars in many workers' pockets for the year.

How much more they will net relative to this year depends on whether they qualified for the expiring Making Work Pay credit. That credit provided up to $400 to any working individual making less than $75,000 (or up to $800 for working couples making less than $150,000).

For instance, individuals who make $50,000 will see a bump of $1,000 in take-home pay, which is $600 more than the Making Work Pay credit they got this year. For a couple at that income level, it will mean $200 more than they received under Making Work Pay.

Individuals making $100,000, who didn't qualify for Making Work Pay this year, will see a $2,000 bump in take-home pay for the year. For couples at that income level, who did qualify, that $2,000 bump will represent a $1,200 increase over the money they received under Making Work Pay.

For people making less than $20,000 (or couples making less than $40,000), they may actual see a drop of about $210 on average in their take-home pay relative to this year, because the payroll tax break will be worth less to them than the Making Work Pay credit was.

The IRS noted that the Social Security tax break for 2011 will have no effect on your future Social Security benefits, which are based on your career earnings.

Bugeater
12-17-2010, 10:59 PM
That 'making work pay' thing fucked us on our taxes last year, they ended up not taking enough out and we ended up owing for the first time ever.

Rain Man
12-17-2010, 11:05 PM
I assumed that program was some low-income thing, but the article says it applied to couples making up to $150,000. Do people making $150,000 need incentive to "make work pay"?

AndChiefs
12-17-2010, 11:08 PM
It always make sense to fund under-funded programs with less funds.

milkman
12-17-2010, 11:09 PM
I've just been laid off and my job outsourced to Canada. My wife has already been out of work for a year. Our four year old daughter has a very serious medical condition. I've been working non-stop and paying taxes for 20 years. What do I get?

Fucked.

Don't mean to be glib, but that's how it is.

CHENZ A!
12-17-2010, 11:11 PM
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Rain Man
12-17-2010, 11:11 PM
I've just been laid off and my job outsourced to Canada. My wife has already been out of work for a year. Our four year old daughter has a very serious medical condition. I've been working non-stop and paying taxes for 20 years. What do I get?

Well, your total tax payments will go down...


Sorry to hear, though. When it rains, it pours, and hopefully you'll get some sunshine soon.

J Diddy
12-17-2010, 11:11 PM
o:-)I've just been laid off and my job outsourced to Canada. My wife has already been out of work for a year. Our four year old daughter has a very serious medical condition. I've been working non-stop and paying taxes for 20 years. What do I get?


Would you like a keychain?

Slayer Diablo
12-17-2010, 11:12 PM
While I understand they did this as a whole "the Democrats think they won by making this compromise, but really, Obama can't get reelected now"...why couldn't they do it with something that only appears to be devastating?

Our economy is going to remain teh suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!1!

:banghead:

Hammock Parties
12-17-2010, 11:13 PM
Thank you, President Obama.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2010, 11:19 PM
I've just been laid off and my job outsourced to Canada. My wife has already been out of work for a year. Our four year old daughter has a very serious medical condition. I've been working non-stop and paying taxes for 20 years. What do I get?

Move to Canada and reclaim your job?

The beer and donuts are good there and healthcare is free.

tonyetony
12-17-2010, 11:24 PM
Move to Canada and reclaim your job?

The beer and donuts are good there and healthcare is free.

And to top it off the fishing and the women are outstanding.

Slayer Diablo
12-17-2010, 11:26 PM
Move to Canada and reclaim your job?

The beer and donuts are good there and healthcare is free.

I hear the lines are horrible.

BigRedChief
12-17-2010, 11:27 PM
This is what compromise looks like. Chit gets done but nobody is happy with what was done.

tonyetony
12-17-2010, 11:29 PM
This is what compromise looks like. Chit gets done but nobody is happy with what was done.

No it seems the super wealthy are A OK with it.

BigRedChief
12-17-2010, 11:31 PM
No it seems the super wealthy are A OK with it.True Dat. I stand corrected. :thumb:

BushyTheBeaver
12-17-2010, 11:32 PM
And to top it off the fishing and the women are outstanding.


Well now as a hard-core fly fisherman I must disagree with you. The USA is guilty of many crimes against nature. but in general the rest of the world can learn from us when it comes to conservation and respecting the environment.

tonyetony
12-17-2010, 11:36 PM
Well now as a hard-core fly fisherman I must disagree with you. The USA is guilty of many crimes against nature. but in general the rest of the world can learn from us when it comes to conservation and respecting the environment.

Well I have to tell you that i've been on 3 fly-in fishing trips to Canada and I think it's an experience that every fisherman should try at least once in their lifetime.

Slayer Diablo
12-17-2010, 11:52 PM
This is what compromise looks like. Chit gets done but nobody is happy with what was done.

That's what bad compromise looks like. Doing one Republican thing isn't canceled out by one Democratic thing. They need to throw out this bull**** and root out the actual benefits that can be taken. Republicans want to do with their hard-earned money what they will. Democrats want better funding for social security and unemployment.

SOL-****ING-UTION: You already get to deduct donations. Give individuals and families an extra 5-10% tax deduction for donating specifically to social security and reputible programs currently battling unemployment. And no, it does not count to donate to your or your buddy's company just because you have "Now Hiring" postings.