Chiefs Have Bigger Problems Than An Appendix

[Hammock Parties]

Chiefs Have Bigger Problems Than An Appendix (http://kan.scout.com/2/1032237.html)

It’s easy to blame Matt Cassel’s suddenly disagreeable innards for last Sunday’s debacle in San Diego. The Chiefs’ offense disappeared without Cassel, bursting just like his appendix might have had it not been removed in time.

Unfortunately, Cassel’s absence is a red herring. The Chiefs were blown out in San Diego for the same reason they were blown out in Denver a month ago – their defense returned to 2009 form. Against the Broncos, Kansas City allowed four straight touchdowns to open the game, never forcing a punt. The only reason the Chargers didn’t replicate Denver’s dominance was a dropped screen pass that killed a promising drive.

A trend is emerging, and it’s stated quite simply – the Chiefs can’t stop the run. Over the last five games, Kansas City is surrendering 128 yards rushing per game and 4.97 yards per carry. If those were the numbers for the entire season, they would rank 24th in yards and dead last in yards per carry. Even last year, when fielding the NFL’s 31st ranked run defense, the Chiefs only allowed 4.7 yards per carry

Here’s the really scary part – the Chiefs have been letting bad rushing teams do all of this damage.

It’s one thing to get steamrolled by the Texans’ seventh-ranked running game, as the Chiefs were earlier this year. But over the last five games, Kansas City has faced the Broncos twice, the Cardinals, Seahawks and Chargers. We’re talking about the 31st, 29th, 28th, and 14th ranked ground attacks.

The implosion of Kansas City’s run defense was punctuated last Sunday by a Chargers team that ran for only 21 yards the week prior and, Thursday against the 49ers, averaged only 2.6 yards per carry. San Diego has been accused of being soft this year. If the Chargers are soft, what does that make the Chiefs? <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="220"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/75/755686.jpg
Can the Chiefs stop Jackson?
Getty Images </td></tr></tbody></table> Suddenly, you start to worry less about Cassel’s gut and more about Steven Jackson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5099128), Chris Johnson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4890305) and Darren McFadden (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5096357) – three of the NFL’s top nine rushers - running right up the gut on the Chiefs over this season’s final three games. We’re arguably talking about the three best running backs the Chiefs will face all season long, and we just witnessed nobodies like Knowshon Moreno (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4833444), Ryan Mathews (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4998662), Mike Tolbert (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4845206) and Tim Hightower (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4832602) piling up yardage against Kansas City.

Here’s an even more sobering thought – what if the Chiefs survive the December running back gauntlet and beat the teams they’re supposed to beat? Facing teams on the brink of playoff elimination is one thing. Facing seasoned playoff teams like the Jets or Ravens is another matter entirely, and now you’re not just talking about one running back, you’re talking about a tandem - LaDanian Tomlinson and Shonn Greene (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4322212) or Ray Rice (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4877880) and Willis McGahee (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4877867).

The bottom line is the Chiefs now have much bigger problems than Cassel’s appendix presented. That was fixed in a few days with a couple of snips and some stitches. Kansas City’s front seven needs major surgery. It needs a transplant, and that’s not arriving in the next three weeks.

Is it unfair to criticize a team in the second year of a rebuild for a lousy run defense? Should we be more patient?

No. When Scott Pioli (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3933332) arrived in Kansas City he inherited the league’s 30th ranked run defense. After a year on the job, following Pioli’s acquisition of major, game-changing upgrades in the form of Tyson Jackson (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026665), Alex Magee (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026691), Mike Brown (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4414209) and Mike Vrabel (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4834298), the Chiefs fell to 31st. The Chiefs were giving up gobs of rushing yards last December and we’re sitting around watching the same thing a year later.

Why? Pioli failed to invest in Kansas City’s front seven in his second offseason. Instead, he invested in Dexter McCluster (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5026692), Javier Arenas (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=5025402), and Jon Asamoah (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4371636) with three picks in the middle of last year’s draft. While the Chiefs were getting run over by the Chargers last Sunday, McCluster was doing everything but touching the ball on offense, Arenas was getting beaten for first downs and touchdowns and Asamoah was watching the carnage from the bench.

If Pioli doesn't allocate the franchise's resources more wisely this coming offseason, the Chiefs will be handicapped by their front seven once again. That's not a recipe for championships.

Eleven of the last 16 Super Bowl champions fielded a top 10 run defense. Even in these pass-happy modern times, six of the last eight champions were ranked 8th or better. The Chiefs’ run defense is falling fast this year and hasn’t been respectable since 2005.

Of course, the Chiefs missed the playoffs that year, too. Why? They didn’t stop the run in December.

[Rausch]

I absolutely dread a healthy Jackson vs. this defense...

[Chiefnj2]

Chiefs suck, Chiefs are frauds, blah, blah, blah. We get your act. Leave it at WPI.

[Bane]

I'd sell my soul for a Chiefs SB win just to piss in your kool aid Goat Cheese.Just FYI.

[burt]

and how many other venues will Clayton pander his words?.........

[Rams Fan]

I absolutely dread a healthy Jackson vs. this defense...

He isn't healthy. He has a broken pinkie and a bad groin. It's amazing that he has over 1,000 yards rushing this year considering he has those injuries.

[Skyy God]

He isn't healthy. He has a broken pinkie and a bad groin. It's amazing that he has over 1,000 yards rushing this year considering he has those injuries.

VJax, retard.

It's not all about the Rams.

[Deberg_1990]

If Pioli doesn't allocate the franchise's resources more wisely this coming offseason, the Chiefs will be handicapped by their front seven once again. That's not a recipe for championships.


This is just a stupid statement. It could have been worded better. It implies that the Chiefs didnt draft well.

The team had a thousand needs and Rome wasnt built in a day. If we had drafted all defense, everyone would be complaining "Where are the playmakers, and O line players??"

[WebGem]

VJax, retard.

It's not all about the Rams.

LOL I know. I'm 100% sure this fucking moron is gonna start some "good game" thread after the game if STL happens to win on Sunday. I really don't understand why he feels the need to be a part of a board of some other team. He doesn't realize that nobody gives a shit about the Rams.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I see what you did here.

Nice setup, solid punch.

[chiefzilla1501]

This is just a stupid statement. It could have been worded better. It implies that the Chiefs didnt draft well.

The team had a thousand needs and Rome wasnt built in a day. If we had drafted all defense, everyone would be complaining "Where are the playmakers, and O line players??"

We have 2 more weapons in the passing game, an improved interior line that will likely include two need Guards in 1-2 years, a rounded-out secondary even in nickel packages, and a vastly improved run offense.

It's retarded that people are judging the draft based on filling the team's needs one-dimensionally. We are a significantly better team with flaws (as expected).

[Rausch]

He isn't healthy. He has a broken pinkie and a bad groin. It's amazing that he has over 1,000 yards rushing this year considering he has those injuries.

He's been playing injured most of his career.

Reminds me of Eddie George.

JMO, but the Lambs are the NFC Raiders.

They manage to bring almost everyone down to their level.

[Bane]

He's been playing injured most of his career.

Reminds me of Eddie George.

JMO, but the Lambs are the NFC Raiders.

They manage to bring almost everyone down to their level.

Yeah and maybe we'll do to Jackson what Baltimore did to George.:evil:

[chiefzilla1501]

By the way, using the Denver, Seattle, and Arizona game as an example of games where we should be worried about our defense is using stats pretty liberally. And there's no way the Chiefs run the same kind of heavy-up pass defense against St. Louis as they did in Denver and San Diego. In Denver, they were practically running a 2-4.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[B_Ambuehl]

Nice article GC. Pioli needs to be held accountable he's had 2 years to fix it and the only change is Sean Smith.

Another interesting article would be how much this team relies on the running game. You can't expect to rush for 150 yds week in and week out against playoff caliber defenses and I don't think Cassell's won a game this year where he didn't get at least 140 yards.

[Bane]

Yeah we have doubled our win total from last year.ALL FAIL ALL THE TIME IN KC!!! ****ing idiots.:rolleyes:

Hope you cry baby,bitch ass mother****ers have your Rams jerseys on tomorrow.

[chiefzilla1501]

Nice article GC. Pioli needs to be held accountable he's had 2 years to fix it and the only change is Sean Smith.

Another interesting article would be how much this team relies on the running game. You can't expect to rush for 150 yds week in and week out against playoff caliber defenses and I don't think Cassell's won a game this year where he didn't get at least 140 yards.

Assuming that the only measure of a football team is how you play run defense. It doesn't account for significant changes they made in every other facet of the game.

[BigChiefFan]

This is just a stupid statement. It could have been worded better. It implies that the Chiefs didnt draft well.

The team had a thousand needs and Rome wasnt built in a day. If we had drafted all defense, everyone would be complaining "Where are the playmakers, and O line players??" Agreed. Some people need to put it into perspective better. We're less than two full seasons of the new regime, with brand new coordinators and on the verge of making the playoffs and some want to piss on the parade? Enjoy the ride.

[B_Ambuehl]

You can't do anything on defense until you get the run stopped. Even Gunther was smart enough to realize that. Pioli went out and spent high draft picks on nickel & gimmick package players when he still had significant holes in his base package and front 7. The reality of Scott Pioli is significantly different than the media hype & promotion.

[chiefzilla1501]

Agreed. Some people need to put it into perspective better. We're less than two full seasons of the new regime, with brand new coordinators and on the verge of making the playoffs and some want to piss on the parade? Enjoy the ride.

There's no doubt this front office shit the bed in 2009 and we could be further along in the rebuild. But they improved significantly in 2010. It's just when people like GoChiefs try to act like this team was supposed to go from zero to Super Bowl talent in one offseason, let alone one in an uncapped year, that we start to see fail.

[B_Ambuehl]

That draft hasn't been great considering what they had to work with. The team had 3 top 50 picks and has 2 guys making an impact. McCluster and Arenas had 1 good game on special teams but absolutely nothing since. Neither are making an impact offensively or defensively. Berry and Moeaki look like impact players.

Compare that to the draft of the 'fade, where 4 or 5 guys are starting and having a real impact.

[chiefzilla1501]

You can't do anything on defense until you get the run stopped. Even Gunther was smart enough to realize that. Pioli went out and spent high draft picks on nickel & gimmick package players when he still had significant holes in his base package and front 7. The reality of Scott Pioli is significantly different than the media hype & promotion.

You're also not going to win games if you can't move the ball on offense. The Chiefs placed heavy priority on fixing the offense. And it looks like it's progressed to the point where it's passable, which is an enormous improvement over God-awful. And really, the biggest defensive improvement we've made all season is our offense's ability to keep the defense off of the field.

You can't walk into a draft pigeonholing yourself to specific picks. It was inevitable that if we picked one guy, we'd leave a massive hole in another position. It's not like this is a 1-year fix. We had holes at Center, Right Guard, Right Tackle, WR #2, Slot Receiver, FS, SS, TE, Nickel Back, Nose Tackle, OLB, ILB. Arguably a complementary back. All that in an uncapped year where free agents weren't hitting the market. The problem becomes when people start blaming the front office for not fielding a Super Bowl winner today instead of focusing on significant improvement. The Chiefs are significantly improved but still have a long way to go and have to be effective this offseason. That's completely fine by me.

[chiefzilla1501]

That draft hasn't been great considering what they had to work with. The team had 3 top 50 picks and has 2 guys making an impact. McCluster and Arenas had 1 good game on special teams but absolutely nothing since. Neither are making an impact offensively or defensively. Berry and Moeaki look like impact players.

Compare that to the draft of the 'fade, where 4 or 5 guys are starting and having a real impact.

Dude, you can't say that Arenas hasn't had an impact. When the Chiefs started stopping the run early in the year, teams have loaded into a lot of spread looks. He's probably seeing about 2/3 of defensive snaps and he's looking really sharp. There's a reason why he's returning less and less punts/kicks--it's because he's seeing so much field time that they don't want to wear him down.

McCluster is a wait-and-see, but if he's everything he's supposed to be, the pick will be just fine.

[Micjones]

I honestly think confidence was this team's biggest problem last week.
The loss in Denver was nothing like last week's drubbing.
We fought back in the Denver game. We got it together...too little and too late, but at least this team showed some pride. They had NONE last week.

I think they were defeated before they ever stepped on that field.
They didn't think they could win that game without Cassel.

[Rausch]

Yeah and maybe we'll do to Jackson what Baltimore did to George.:evil:

Despite the rags he wears I have enough respect for the man that I hope not...

[Ming the Merciless]

I see what you did here.

Nice setup, solid punch.

Ram clayton's small dick into your mouth a little harder faggot.

[Bane]

Despite the rags he wears I have enough respect for the man that I hope not...

Oh I respect him,but I hope we shut him DOWN!!!

[RedThat]

Dude, you can't say that Arenas hasn't had an impact. When the Chiefs started stopping the run early in the year, teams have loaded into a lot of spread looks. He's probably seeing about 2/3 of defensive snaps and he's looking really sharp. There's a reason why he's returning less and less punts/kicks--it's because he's seeing so much field time that they don't want to wear him down.

McCluster is a wait-and-see, but if he's everything he's supposed to be, the pick will be just fine.

I agree. Arenas has been very good in pass defense. And he has contributed at times pressuring the quarterback. The guy was a great blitzer at Alabama and I think he fits well into that role with the Chiefs.

Not just the blitzing aspect of his game, but his coverages have been solid and he has been there in run support. I think he is a solid role player. But then we always hear the same comments, "yeah but you don't draft nickelbacks/punt returners in the 2nd round."

Well, at least we know he is contributing to this team in many ways.

[B_Ambuehl]

What did they do to the offense other than bring in 2 geriatric players in Wiegmann and Lilja? (who both got run out of other cities for lack of run blocking)

The only reason they've been able to move the ball on offense is becuase of Jamal Charles and he's doing the same things he was doing late in the year last year after Pioli tried to trade him for a 5th round pick. That guy covers up more deficiencies than any other team in the NFL. The offensive line still can't move anybody. Look at their success on 3rd and 4th and short. The chiefs get by on charles talent running stretch, misdirection, and draws. This offensive line is really in about the same situation it was coming off the '06 season. When lineman get old it doesn't happen gradually and when it breaks it's gonna break hard. Wiegmann, Lilja, and Waters are like divers waiting to fall off a cliff. You better hope Asomoah can play and we find 2 other interior starters real quick.

[chiefzilla1501]

I agree. Arenas has been very good in pass defense. And he has contributed at times pressuring the quarterback. The guy was a great blitzer at Alabama and I think he fits well into that role with the Chiefs.

Not just the blitzing aspect of his game, but his coverages have been solid and he has been there in run support. I think he is a solid role player. But then we always hear the same comments, "yeah but you don't draft nickelbacks/punt returners in the 2nd round."

Well, at least we know he is contributing to this team in many ways.

And if McCluster becomes an effective slot receiver, which is yet to be seen, that's a big contributor too.

The expectation that the player needs to be a pro bowler or a quality starter at a position of very high positional value is outrageous. If these guys are contributing in a big way, I could care less about their snap totals.

[B_Ambuehl]

Dude, you can't say that Arenas hasn't had an impact. When the Chiefs started stopping the run early in the year, teams have loaded into a lot of spread looks. He's probably seeing about 2/3 of defensive snaps and he's looking really sharp. There's a reason why he's returning less and less punts/kicks--it's because he's seeing so much field time that they don't want to wear him down.

McCluster is a wait-and-see, but if he's everything he's supposed to be, the pick will be just fine.

If he were all that he'd play outside when Flowers went down but he didn't. Spending a 2nd round pick on a nickel corner is like spending a 2nd round pick on a fullback. It's a tough position to play but it's more mental than physical and you can develop a guy. There were too many other positions of need on the board when that pick was made.

[SAUTO]

If he were all that he'd play outside when Flowers went down but he didn't. Spending a 2nd round pick on a nickel corner is like spending a 2nd round pick on a fullback. It's a tough position to play but it's more mental than physical and you can develop a guy. There were too many other positions of need on the board when that pick was made.

why make two people play positions they arent used to playing?

[Bane]

why make two people play positions they arent used to playing?

Cause it gives the fuck nut trolls something to bitch and cry about.If we went 19-0 and hoisted the Lombardi trophy these same window lickers would still be talking the same ignorant shit for attention.

[stlchiefs]

Not sure what happened to you Clayton, but you spew more negativity about the Chiefs than Whitlock ever did. Give it up for a bit man.

[chiefzilla1501]

What did they do to the offense other than bring in 2 geriatric players in Wiegmann and Lilja? (who both got run out of other cities for lack of run blocking)

The only reason they've been able to move the ball on offense is becuase of Jamal Charles and he's doing the same things he was doing late in the year last year after Pioli tried to trade him for a 5th round pick. That guy covers up more deficiencies than any other team in the NFL. The offensive line still can't move anybody. Look at their success on 3rd and 4th and short. The chiefs get by on charles talent running stretch, misdirection, and draws. This offensive line is really in about the same situation it was coming off the '06 season. When lineman get old it doesn't happen gradually and when it breaks it's gonna break hard. Wiegmann, Lilja, and Waters are like divers waiting to fall off a cliff. You better hope Asomoah can play and we find 2 other interior starters real quick.

Lilja is 29. There's no hurry to fill his spot. And I don't see any reason why Asaomoah can't be an effective starter in the very near-term. In drafting Moeaki, the Chiefs gave a legit downfield threat and he's been instrumental in run support. In bringing in Thomas Jones, the Chiefs were able to preserve Charles for the stretch run and get some quality snaps in the process. And while I didn't agree with the idea of surrounding Cassel with guys who will make him look better, I think we are seeing some substantial improvements on his end that we wouldn't have otherwise seen.

McCluster is still a work in progress. We have no idea what he's got and ridiculous for anyone to suggest the guy's a bust. But if he is what they brought him in to be, he's going to be a demon once we get a deep threat to open up the passing game.

The Chiefs walked into the season in a shitty situation on offense. Right now, if you bring in a deep threat receiver and a Center, and assume that Asamoah is going to be good enough to start, the offense is in a very good place. Not bad, given how shitty our situation was last season.

[RedThat]

And if McCluster becomes an effective slot receiver, which is yet to be seen, that's a big contributor too.

The expectation that the player needs to be a pro bowler or a quality starter at a position of very high positional value is outrageous. If these guys are contributing in a big way, I could care less about their snap totals.

I hear you. Im the same way. As long as they could help the team out in someways, you could always interpret that as a good thing. Its always good to have a lot of those guys on your roster. They don't have to be stars.

[chris]

Not one of your best articles.

[Bane]

Not sure what happened to you Clayton, but you spew more negativity about the Chiefs than Whitlock ever did. Give it up for a bit man.

His name should be GoWhitlock here lately.

[stlchiefs]

His name should be GoWhitlock here lately.

I guess he's trying to fill the void now that Fatlock is gone.

Edit: I love how CP automatically converts "fat lock" to an icon!

[Rausch]

His name should be GoWhitlock here lately.

The need for attention...

[Ming the Merciless]

Not sure what happened to you Clayton, but you spew more negativity about the Chiefs than Whitlock ever did. Give it up for a bit man.

He desperately just wants to be 'right.' First Cassel, then the Chiefs were frauds...Then when that failed now we will 'choke' and not make the playoffs....When we make the playoffs I am sure his story will change once again and he will claim we suck for losing in the playoffs and if we had a better QB we could've won the game...He will go on and on about how he was right about us being 'frauds' despite the fact that nearly everything he has said for months has been utter horse shit.

[Bane]

I guess he's trying to fill the void now that Fatlock is gone.

Edit: I love how CP automatically converts "fat lock" to an icon!

The need for attention...

Some of the shit is funny but this whole "THE SKY IS FALLING" shit every goddamn week is fucking tired.

[chiefzilla1501]

If he were all that he'd play outside when Flowers went down but he didn't. Spending a 2nd round pick on a nickel corner is like spending a 2nd round pick on a fullback. It's a tough position to play but it's more mental than physical and you can develop a guy. There were too many other positions of need on the board when that pick was made.

It doesn't work that way anymore.

You can't win in this league if you don't have a nickel back. You can't just develop a guy off the street to shut down Austin Collie or Wes Welker or Lance Moore or Percy Harvin or Jerrico Cotchery. The need had to be filled sometime. You don't think Donald Washington wouldn't have been made to look like a complete asshole for this team on a consistent basis if we didnt' have Arenas?

And the reason Arenas didn't sub in for Flowers is because you'd be asking him to play a totally different position and one that he's not best equipped to play.

[Rausch]

Some of the shit is funny but this whole "THE SKY IS FALLING" shit every goddamn week is ****ing tired.

2 sides to that coin.

One side: Haley has already taken this team far beyond anyone's expectations.

HUGE WIN.

Other side: Haley was presented with multiple opportunities to win games and made decisions that cost us. The QB didn't make plays. The defense failed to hold.

ETC.

We don't completely step on our d!cks vs the Texans or Colts this division is already won.

The side commentary is just melodrama...

[B_Ambuehl]

That's more bullshit Pioli rhetoric. You need 3 good corners yes but only 2 of them are limited by athleticism, which is why outside corners are so valuable. The nickel is a technical and developmental position moreso than an athletic position. Look around the league at the good nickel corners and most of those guys are lower round guys that developed into good players.

[LaChapelle]

Pioli has to build a winner and sell tickets at the same time
the black outs have stopped during a bad economy
the balancing act just dosen't address impatience

[Rausch]

That's more bullshit Pioli rhetoric. You need 3 good corners yes but only 2 of them are limited by athleticism, which is why outside corners are so valuable. The nickel is a technical and developmental position moreso than an athletic position. Look around the league at the good nickel corners and most of those guys are lower round guys that developed into good players.

I love our corners.

I'm not a huge fan of Flowers small stature and I'm also not really big on Carr's "Carter-esque" big-risk-big-reward attitude but it's what we've got. Carr is both the more talented and less polished player.

And anyone crying about our nickel/Dime/3rd DB can blow me.

Guy has played in the secondary (and has done respectable as a rookie,) returned punts, kickoffs, and shows up on special teams.

[Bane]

Pioli has to build a winner and sell tickets at the same time
the black outs have stopped during a bad economy
the balancing act just dosen't address impatience

Pioli only has to worry about the football side of the coin.I think selling tickets falls on that other guy.That was the whole split King Carls job into two separate jobs thing Clark mentioned when he hired Pioli IIRC.

Edit: Yes I understand fielding a good team will sell tickets.I just don't believe it's Pioli's direct job to sell tickets.

[DaneMcCloud]

Chiefs suck, Chiefs are frauds, blah, blah, blah. We get your act. Leave it at WPI.

Why don't you dispute his statements instead of acting like a child?

[LaChapelle]

I have doubts the black outs would have stopped with wins of 6-9/ 3-10 ect
but thats all guess work on my part

[FringeNC]

Newsflash: We're not nearly as talented as SD. When properly motivated, they are the best team in the league. Doesn't mean that we aren't a slightly above-average team properly feasting on the pathetic NFC West to pad our record and possibly make the playoffs.

[chiefzilla1501]

That's more bullshit Pioli rhetoric. You need 3 good corners yes but only 2 of them are limited by athleticism, which is why outside corners are so valuable. The nickel is a technical and developmental position moreso than an athletic position. Look around the league at the good nickel corners and most of those guys are lower round guys that developed into good players.

The same can be said for Nose Tackles. That doesn't take away the importance of the position nor does it suggest that if you find one you really like, you should pass up on it.

[Bane]

Newsflash: We're not nearly as talented as SD. When properly motivated, they are the best team in the league. Doesn't mean that we aren't a slightly above-average team properly feasting on the pathetic NFC West to pad our record and possibly make the playoffs.

Repost X 10,000.:rolleyes:

[DaneMcCloud]

ROFL at this thread.

The front seven has been an issue THIS ENTIRE DECADE.

After drafting for a 4-3 for past eight years, Pioli came in an scrapped it. Instead of keeping the personnel on hand (Hali, Tyler, McBride, etc.) and complimenting that with a Rey Maualuga, they drafted Tyson Jackson & Alex Magee, the latter being such a bust that he's gone.

Instead of drafting a guy like Sean Lee or Koa Misi or Daryl Washington (or any combination of those three), the Chiefs drafted Arenas and McCluster.

Now, it can be accurately stated that the Chiefs lacked playmakers in addition to having holes in their front seven. But they gambled that their playmakers would provide more points than the respective defensive players would have given up. So far, Arenas & McCluster have been ineffective in providing those much needed points.

The bottom line is that Chiefs front seven, with the exception of Hali, Dorsey and Johnson is subpar and below average. The Chiefs will need to address the other four positions in the draft and possible free-agency (depending on a new CBA) if they're to take the next step, which would be beating good teams.

[chiefzilla1501]

Newsflash: We're not nearly as talented as SD. When properly motivated, they are the best team in the league. Doesn't mean that we aren't a slightly above-average team properly feasting on the pathetic NFC West to pad our record and possibly make the playoffs.

Few people disagree with that.

The problem is when people like GoChiefs calls this team a bunch of frauds because we're not as good as San Diego. This is a team that has made brilliant personnel decision for a full year (***EDIT... meant to say 10 years). We're just in year 2 (and unfortunately, Pioli laid a goose egg in 2009).

If anyone is upset that we're not as good as San Diego, then credibility is lost right there. The goal his year was significant improvement, not the ridiculous expectation that we should be among the most talented teams in the league based on one offseason.

[DaneMcCloud]

This is a team that has made brilliant personnel decision for a full year.

Bullshit.

The jury is still out on McCluster's ability and effectiveness over the course of a 16 game season (and into the playoffs), so his selection, over a player like Koa Misi can hardly be called "brilliant".

I expected since draft day that Arenas would be a far more effective corner than a kick returner and to date, that has been the case.

The 2010 second round selections effectiveness and "brilliance" are solely dependent on what Pioli does in the 2011 draft. He gambled by taking Arenas and McCluster over Lee, Washington, Misi or even Cody and with that gamble, stated that Arenas & McCluster were "special players" that he could not pass on.

If he doesn't follow up in 2011 by acquiring at least one effective OLB, on effective ILB and a NT/DE, he'll have lost that gamble.

[Deberg_1990]

But they gambled that their playmakers would provide more points than the respective defensive players would have given up.

If anyone is upset that we're not as good as San Diego, then credibility is lost right there. The goal his year was significant improvement, not the ridiculous expectation that we should be among the most talented teams in the league based on one offseason.

This is what alot of people have a hard time comprehending.

Nobody would dispute that the Bolts are more talented than the Chiefs. But isnt that why they play the games? The most talented team doesnt always win.

[chiefzilla1501]

ROFL at this thread.

The front seven has been an issue THIS ENTIRE DECADE.

After drafting for a 4-3 for past eight years, Pioli came in an scrapped it. Instead of keeping the personnel on hand (Hali, Tyler, McBride, etc.) and complimenting that with a Rey Maualuga, they drafted Tyson Jackson & Alex Magee, the latter being such a bust that he's gone.

Instead of drafting a guy like Sean Lee or Koa Misi or Daryl Washington (or any combination of those three), the Chiefs drafted Arenas and McCluster.

Now, it can be accurately stated that the Chiefs lacked playmakers in addition to having holes in their front seven. But they gambled that their playmakers would provide more points than the respective defensive players would have given up. So far, Arenas & McCluster have been ineffective in providing those much needed points.

The bottom line is that Chiefs front seven, with the exception of Hali, Dorsey and Johnson is subpar and below average. The Chiefs will need to address the other four positions in the draft and possible free-agency (depending on a new CBA) if they're to take the next step, which would be beating good teams.

At this point, I don't think the ILB is much of an issue. DJ has surprisingly turned into a quality starter and Belcher has played reasonably well. Keep in mind that both of those guys will improve significantly when our defensive line plays better and keeps guys off their asses. Misi is the only guy on that list that I really regret not taking. A lot of that is going to depend on what McCluster becomes, which is far from certain (good or bad) at this point.

But you're right that the Chiefs need to get a Nose Tackle and a Pass Rusher before they can compete. I just don't believe in the theory that you walk into the draft committing to filling them. I don't think finding a Nose Tackle is nearly as diffficult as it's made out to be and the Chiefs will have plenty of opps to find a pass rusher this offseason--they better, at least.

[go bo]

Ram clayton's small dick into your mouth a little harder pillowbiter.i'll have you know that i've met ror, i have spoken with him, and he is my friend...

you sir, are no ror, nor clayton, nor even a respectable homophobe...

in short, fail...

[chiefzilla1501]

Bullshit.

The jury is still out on McCluster's ability and effectiveness over the course of a 16 game season (and into the playoffs), so his selection, over a player like Koa Misi can hardly be called "brilliant".

I expected since draft day that Arenas would be a far more effective corner than a kick returner and to date, that has been the case.

The 2010 second round selections effectiveness and "brilliance" are solely dependent on what Pioli does in the 2011 draft. He gambled by taking Arenas and McCluster over Lee, Washington, Misi or even Cody and with that gamble, stated that Arenas & McCluster were "special players" that he could not pass on.

If he doesn't follow up in 2011 by acquiring at least one effective OLB, on effective ILB and a NT/DE, he'll have lost that gamble.

Dane, I edited. That wasn't a comment about the Chiefs. I don't think their personnel decisions were "brilliant." That was a typo for "ten years" (referring to San Diego).

[HIChief]

You're also not going to win games if you can't move the ball on offense. The Chiefs placed heavy priority on fixing the offense. And it looks like it's progressed to the point where it's passable, which is an enormous improvement over God-awful. And really, the biggest defensive improvement we've made all season is our offense's ability to keep the defense off of the field.

You can't walk into a draft pigeonholing yourself to specific picks. It was inevitable that if we picked one guy, we'd leave a massive hole in another position. It's not like this is a 1-year fix. We had holes at Center, Right Guard, Right Tackle, WR #2, Slot Receiver, FS, SS, TE, Nickel Back, Nose Tackle, OLB, ILB. Arguably a complementary back. All that in an uncapped year where free agents weren't hitting the market. The problem becomes when people start blaming the front office for not fielding a Super Bowl winner today instead of focusing on significant improvement. The Chiefs are significantly improved but still have a long way to go and have to be effective this offseason. That's completely fine by me.

Here, here!

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

We did draft a fellow by the name of Eric Berry. We have weapons on Offense, a decent OL and a good young secondary. I would say Pioli probably plans to address the DL this season. One step at a time guys .

[go bo]

2 sides to that coin.

One side: Haley has already taken this team far beyond anyone's expectations.

HUGE WIN.

Other side: Haley was presented with multiple opportunities to win games and made decisions that cost us. The QB didn't make plays. The defense failed to hold.

ETC.

We don't completely step on our d!cks vs the Texans or Colts this division is already won.

The side commentary is just melodrama...melodrama is a good thing...

[chiefzilla1501]

We did draft a fellow by the name of Eric Berry. We have weapons on Offense, a decent OL and a good young secondary. I would say Pioli probably plans to address the DL this season. One step at a time guys .

Yup. If we draft a Nose Tackle, we still struggle to stop the pass and get torched in spread sets and still struggle to get a pass rush from our pass rushers. If we draft a pass rusher, we still struggle on interior run D. And in both cases, we still wouldn't have an offense that can take advantage of defensive improvements.

No matter who we picked, we would have left a significant hole somewhere else. I'm not going to be in a panic unless we're talking about the same problems this time next year. Our goal next year should also be significant improvement, no more, no less.

[Ming the Merciless]

i'll have you know that i've met ror, i have spoken with him, and he is my friend...

you sir, are no ror, nor clayton, nor even a respectable homophobe...

in short, fail...

I didn't know you guys were in a 3 way love triangle , a la lemonparty....sorry to hurt your feelings, nancy.

If you are friends with those guys and respect them, then I sure as hell don't give one flying **** what your opinion of me is....They are two of the biggest idiots on this board.

[Bane]

We did draft a fellow by the name of Eric Berry. We have weapons on Offense, a decent OL and a good young secondary. I would say Pioli probably plans to address the DL this season. One step at a time guys .

NO NO NO!!! We won 4 games last year and if we don't win it all this year the entire endeavor is a FAILURE!!!!

[go bo]

We did draft a fellow by the name of Eric Berry. We have weapons on Offense, a decent OL and a good young secondary. I would say Pioli probably plans to address the DL this season. One step at a time guys .it seems unlikely that the chiefs will draft more de's high in the draft, if at all...

they've already spent high picks on dorsey and jackson...

a nt, for sure, and a center would be good picks, but i'm not sure we need to replace belcher...

we definitely need a serious pass-rusher to play opposite hali...

and that's probably where the serious money and high draft picks will be used (or maybe another receiver, but pass rush should come first unless there's another eric berry at our spot)...

and we could sure use a different backup tackle...

[go bo]

I didn't know you guys were in a 3 way love triangle , a la lemonparty....sorry to hurt your feelings, nancy.

If you are friends with those guys and respect them, then I sure as hell don't give one flying **** what your opinion of me is....They are two of the biggest idiots on this board.no it's not three way...

there are two or three more of us who enjoy clayton's efforts...

so, more like an orgy...

and my name is not nancy but it it were, i'd be proud of it...

[Ming the Merciless]

We still have a shit ton of needs...

8-(

[go bo]

NO NO NO!!! We won 4 games last year and if we don't win it all this year the entire endeavor is a FAILURE!!!!epic...

[Ming the Merciless]

no it's not three way...

there are two or three more of us who enjoy clayton's efforts...

so, more like an orgy...



Well if you guys happen to ever get a tarp, an industrial sized container of Crisco [tm], several midgets, a megaphone, 3 foam fingers and a little bit of common sense or football knowledge...I would totally join.

[Ming the Merciless]

NO NO NO!!! We won 4 games last year and if we don't win it all this year the entire endeavor is a FAILURE!!!!

Omg..HAHAHHAA...I can already see these posts in my mind now, thanks alot Bane....

ROFL

[Hammock Parties]

Wow, this thread blew up. Pleasant surprise.

[Rausch]

Wow, this thread blew up. Pleasant surprise.

Come at me bro...

[Ming the Merciless]

Come at me bro...

http://images2.memegenerator.net/SCOTTEMZ/ImageMacro/3608085/MediumThumbnail.jpg?instanceText=come-AT-ME-BRAH

[Rausch]

http://images2.memegenerator.net/SCOTTEMZ/ImageMacro/3608085/MediumThumbnail.jpg?instanceText=come-AT-ME-BRAH

I don't think I want my kid playing with that kid.

I really think he's one of those not to be fucked with angry kids...:eek:

[go bo]

Well if you guys happen to ever get a tarp, an industrial sized container of Crisco [tm], several midgets, a megaphone, 3 foam fingers and a little bit of common sense or football knowledge...I would totally join.only 3 foam fingers?

[Hammock Parties]

Chiefs suck, Chiefs are frauds, blah, blah, blah. We get your act. Leave it at WPI.

It's more accepted here. I have found my audience.

[Nightfyre]

I am one of Gochief's biggest critics, I think. But I agree with this article. Lack of depth on the offensive and defensive line is starting to catch up to this team. Our O-line looked slow and tired out there in San Diego. Our defensive line got eaten up. I wouldn't know where to find it, but I'd bet Dorsey and Smith have played just an obscene number of snaps this year. Similarly, Weigman's age has caught up with him. He doesn't have it in the tank for a full season anymore. He looked great early but has declined each week.

[ChiefaRoo]

KC is going to win this game. Period.

[Rausch]

It's more accepted here. I have found my audience.

ROFL

[Marcellus]

From what I can gather from all this, in a nutshell, if we don't win a playoff game this whole season was a waste.

Ok, whatever. LMAO

[Ming the Merciless]

From what I can gather from all this, in a nutshell, if we don't win a playoff game this whole season was a waste.

Ok, whatever. LMAO

Totally, because we were 'frauds' that shouldve won the superbowl but just didn't because of poor play calling, starting the wrong QB the entire season, and the 2009 draft will haunt us for eternity and nothing can ever make up for it.

[Hammock Parties]

From what I can gather from all this, in a nutshell, if we don't win a playoff game this whole season was a waste.

Ok, whatever. LMAO

Not at all.

It's merely indicative of a lack of real progress.

By the way, it's not about winning a playoff game. It's about competing. 31-0 is not competing.

And I'll be the first to step up and eat crow if the Chiefs play like a legit team against legit teams.

[Marcellus]

Lack of progress? And you expected what? When this schedule came out most people predicted 8 or so wins. We likely end up 2 games or possibly 3 better than that.

Yea we got blown out exactly 2 times.

The team still has holes no shit. That's not an unexpected development so why act like it?

As has been pointed out Haley has never said it was a good team yet. Why you have to play the hater roll when we are in the drivers seat is beyond me.

Most people have realistic expectations. We don't need you to tell us every concern or worry we know what the potential issues are.

Your articles when negative would be easier to swallow if that wasn't the only thing you focus on. You act as if there are no positives. That shit is tiring.

[Rausch]

Not at all.

It's merely indicative of a lack of real progress.

By the way, it's not about winning a playoff game. It's about competing. 31-0 is not competing.

And I'll be the first to step up and eat crow if the Chiefs play like a legit team against legit teams.

Ditch the avatar.

It's an insult...

[Bane]

Lack of progress? And you expected what? When this schedule came out most people predicted 8 or so wins. We likely end up 2 games or possibly 3 better than that.

Yea we got blown out exactly 2 times.

The team still has holes no shit. That's not an unexpected development so why act like it?

As has been pointed out Haley has never said it was a good team yet. Why you have to play the hater roll when we are in the drivers seat is beyond me.

Most people have realistic expectations. We don't need you to tell us every concern or worry we know what the potential issues are.

Your articles when negative would be easier to swallow if that wasn't the only thing you focus on. You act as if there are no positives. That shit is tiring.

These mother****ers mainly deal in absolutes.We either go 0 and whatever and they can talk about how they knew it and they're so goddamn smart,we suck etc... We turn it around and win 8 games when a lot of us thought 6 would be good and we're trash,we should have won 10,we suck.**** them and their ball washers with a rusty boat anchor big end first.

[Hammock Parties]

You act as if there are no positives.

This is inaccurate.

[Marcellus]

This is inaccurate.

Anything positive you have said is disingenuous.

Of all the articles you have written this year how many have been focusing on the positive?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[Ming the Merciless]

Of all the articles you have written this year how many have been focusing on the positive?

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[Hammock Parties]

Of all the articles you have written this year how many have been focusing on the positive?

Three.

[Ming the Merciless]

Three.

Was one the Frauds article and two the Cassel was dangerous article? I can't remember a third...LOL

[Rausch]

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To take a song I like, make it teh ghey, and then synch it to a chargers vid.

Wrong.

Kind of $3it that should get your ass beat wrong...

[Hammock Parties]

Was one the Frauds article and two the Cassel was dangerous article? I can't remember a third...LOL

I'll let you (http://kan.scout.com/2/1004235.html) read (http://kan.scout.com/2/1006659.html) them (http://kan.scout.com/2/1028031.html) for yourself, since you're my biggest fan.

[burt]

To take a song I like, make it teh ghey, and then synch it to a chargers vid.

Wrong.

Kind of $3it that should get your ass beat wrong...

Um, you expected more from Clayboy?

[DaneMcCloud]

From what I can gather from all this, in a nutshell, if we don't win a playoff game this whole season was a waste.

Ok, whatever. LMAO

And as usual, your comprehension is lower than a 4 year-old child.

The Chiefs have holes in the front seven. They're giving up way too much yardage on the ground to mediocre running teams. Instead of choosing to fill those glaring holes that were evident in 2009, Pioli and the Chiefs instead addressed other need positions, as opposed to the holes in the front seven.

It can be argued that any combination of second round linebackers would have improved the team more than the additions of Arenas and McCluster.

Get it now?

[burt]

Three.

4321 shoulda been 4

[Ming the Merciless]

It can be argued that any combination of second round linebackers would have improved the team more than the additions of Arenas and McCluster.


I agree actually with this criticism of the McCluster pick at 2A in 2010. I said as much then, and I still stand by it.....Even if somehow it turns out that McCluster ends up being a contributor to this team, I think we wouldve been better served by building the foundation of our house stronger rather than adding a gadget....SHit I hope I am wrong, but thats just how I feel.

[DaneMcCloud]

I agree actually with this criticism of the McCluster pick at 2A in 2010. I said as much then, and I still stand by it.....Even if somehow it turns out that McCluster ends up being a contributor to this team, I think we wouldve been better served by building the foundation of our house stronger rather than adding a gadget....SHit I hope I am wrong, but thats just how I feel.

I've said this since draft day: I have absolutely no problem with the choice of McCluster. The Chiefs obviously needed playmakers heading into the 2010 season and Pioli thought enough of him to draft him over defensive players such as Koa Misi, Daryl Washington, Sean Lee, Sergio Kindle and Terrance Cody (I was never a fan of Cody's but would have understood that selection).

Pioli must have reasoned that a skill player like McCluster was so rare that instead of taking linebacker or defensive line help (Lindvall Joseph was also available) in 2010, he could wait until 2011 to address those positions. He could be right that there won't be an offensive player with the possible impact of McCluster available with the Chiefs pick second round pick and he could be wrong. It was obviously a gamble he was willing to take.

That said, it would have been difficult to criticize him if he had taken Misi, Washington or Lee, just as it's difficult to criticize him for taking McCluster.

[OnTheWarpath15]

From what I can gather from all this, in a nutshell, if we don't win a playoff game this whole season was a waste.

Ok, whatever.

Winning a playoff game?

Nah.

I (along with others) said when Pioli was hired that 8-8 was expected this year. Obviously, they can't do any worse than that at this point, so expectation met.

However, had you told me back in January of 2009 that in 2010 we'd be 5-2 with a 3-game lead in the division, I'd expect to win the division and make the playoffs without sweating the last three games.

It's highly unlikely that I'm the only person on this board that feels this way.

Hopefully, they pull it out. But they've left themselves with literally no room for error.

Making the playoffs and getting this young roster some experience with the tempo and intensity of playoff football is extremely important, IMO - regardless of how we play in the game, should we get there. If they were to get blown out, I wouldn't be all that upset, because I think it's crucial for them to get the experience of the playoffs. And let's face it, anything can happen in the playoffs - a win would obviously be even more beneficial to the team long-term.

To not do so after having a massive lead in the division would be extremely disappointing. I don't know that I'd call the season a waste, per se, but to me, it would be considered something comparable considering the circumstances.

More than disappointing, a little less than a "waste."

[Rausch]

Winning

More than disappointing, a little less than a "waste."

To me it's not what you did it's how you did it...

[chiefzilla1501]

Not at all.

It's merely indicative of a lack of real progress.

By the way, it's not about winning a playoff game. It's about competing. 31-0 is not competing.

And I'll be the first to step up and eat crow if the Chiefs play like a legit team against legit teams.

Losing two games in a blowout is a lack of real progress? The past few years, we have lost to horrible teams. This year, we're beating them. And in some cases, dominating those games. That's progress. We were consistently dominated by average teams last year. This year, we're competing and winning some of them. That's progress. And it's still ridiculous that you treat the 31-0 loss as if that's the kind of blowout margin we would have faced if we had our starting QB. I have no idea the outcome. But don't pretend like it wasn't a factor, especially since you have no problem "blaming" our win against Jacksonville on QB play from a backup.

You're not going to eat crow because you keep moving the uprights. This season was about significant improvement. We've significantly improved.

The problem is that you're taking something that we already know (that we're a team with flaws) and treating it like a doomsday scenario.

[craneref]

If the Chefs were only leading the AFC West with three games to go and controlled their own destiny to the playoffs, then it wouldn't be so bad....oh wait they do. Who on the board realistically thought the Chiefs would be leading the West with three games left in the season, with a chance to control their own destiny and go to the playoffs? I would like them to stop the run too, but I am enjoying this ride, it has been a while since we can see the playoffs from where the Chiefs are currently at! GO CHIEFS

[Ming the Merciless]

That said, it would have been difficult to criticize him if he had taken Misi, Washington or Lee, just as it's difficult to criticize him for taking McCluster.

In my mind the jury is still out...I agree with everything you said except that part. If McCluster is such a rare playmaker and he proves that he can be on the field and contribute, THEN it will be difficult (impossible) to criticize the pick. If it turns out that there were much better choices he could've made at 2A and McCluster doesn't do much......then I think the criticisms from draft day will be warranted. Still I mean one gamble and whiff in 2010, I'm not really complaining THAT much if it turns out to be a whiff..2010 draft was still pretty damn good seemingly...And if it doesnt and McCluster turns out to be a stud....then it will be better than good!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Who here really thinks that McCluster is a "rare talent?"

The only thing rare about him is that he's 5-8, 160.

Otherwise, there are guys like him in almost every draft.

[Hammock Parties]

You're not going to eat crow because you keep moving the uprights.

The uprights are in the same place they were following that loss in Oakland.

http://www.jumpingoffsides.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/NFL-Playoffs1.jpg

They have never moved.

[Hammock Parties]

Who here really thinks that McCluster is a "rare talent?"


Have you seen his t-shirts?

http://dextermccluster.intuitwebsites.com/dexfactor.jpg

[Marcellus]

Who here really thinks that McCluster is a "rare talent?"

The only thing rare about him is that he's 5-8, 160.

Otherwise, there are guys like him in almost every draft.

Welcome back.

Like who?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Have you seen his t-shirts?

I wonder if Jacoby Ford has a t-shirt.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Welcome back.

Like who?

Look to my previous post for a start.

[DaneMcCloud]

In my mind the jury is still out...I agree with everything you said except that part. If McCluster is such a rare playmaker and he proves that he can be on the field and contribute, THEN it will be difficult (impossible) to criticize the pick. If it turns out that there were much better choices he could've made at 2A and McCluster doesn't do much......then I think the criticisms from draft day will be warranted. Still I mean one gamble and whiff in 2010, I'm not really complaining THAT much if it turns out to be a whiff..2010 draft was still pretty damn good seemingly...And if it doesnt and McCluster turns out to be a stud....then it will be better than good!

Well, that's the problem with making a judgment at this time. He's been injured and out for a long stretch and in the few times he's had success since returning, many of those plays have been called back.

He's definitely shown flashes of his talent so the selection isn't unwarranted at this point in time. He just needs to stay healthy, although a functional offense would help him considerably.

[Hammock Parties]

many of those plays have been called back.


Play, not plays.

Poor, poor Dex.

[DaneMcCloud]

Play, not plays.

Poor, poor Dex.

LMAO

[BigMeatballDave]

Nice article GC. Pioli needs to be held accountable he's had 2 years to fix it and the only change is Sean Smith.

Another interesting article would be how much this team relies on the running game. You can't expect to rush for 150 yds week in and week out against playoff caliber defenses and I don't think Cassell's won a game this year where he didn't get at least 140 yards.LMAO Look at Amb hanging from Gif's junk.

[BigRock]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6095/wanderingbear.jpg

[BigMeatballDave]

Agreed. Some people need to put it into perspective better. We're less than two full seasons of the new regime, with brand new coordinators and on the verge of making the playoffs and some want to piss on the parade? Enjoy the ride.This. 4-12, 2-14, 4-12 to possibly 11-5. I'm enjoying winning games for a change. I didnt expect a playoff appearance, only 6-8 wins. Bitching about this teams flaws make little sense. Sure, if we dont try to fix the obvious ones over the next 2 off-seasons, then we'll have a reason to complain.

[DaneMcCloud]

This. 4-12, 2-14, 4-12 to possibly 11-5. I'm enjoying winning games for a change. I didnt expect a playoff appearance, only 6-8 wins. Bitching about this teams flaws make little sense. Sure, if we dont try to fix the obvious ones over the next 2 off-seasons, then we'll have a reason to complain.

D, why is it "bitching" to point out glaring deficiencies?

If the Chiefs had drafted an OLB and ILB in the draft, it's quite possible that the Chiefs would have glaring deficiencies at returner, nickel back and slot receiver.

And I'm sorry, and I know I'll take a lot of shit from the n00bs for saying this, but it's hard for me to get excited about a team that gets thoroughly whipped by Denver & San Diego and has yet to beat a team with a winning record through 13 games.

They have a lot of holes to fill and hopefully, they'll address them in 2011.

[OnTheWarpath15]

D, why is it "bitching" to point out glaring deficiencies?

If the Chiefs had drafted an OLB and ILB in the draft, it's quite possible that the Chiefs would have glaring deficiencies at returner, nickel back and slot receiver.

And I'm sorry, and I know I'll take a lot of shit from the n00bs for saying this, but it's hard for me to get excited about a team that gets thoroughly whipped by Denver & San Diego and has yet to beat a team with a winning record through 13 games.

They have a lot of holes to fill and hopefully, they'll address them in 2011.

And there's where I have an issue.

The LB corp of a 3-4 defense is infinitely more important than KR's and WR3's.

They did pass on OLB/ILB, and yet the return game is still extremely disappointing, as has the WR play other than Bowe.

[BigMeatballDave]

Why don't you dispute his statements instead of acting like a child?The only one around here acting like a child is Clay.
Do you enjoy his attention-whoring? Thats all this shit of his is. He's trying to be another Jason fucking Whitlock. Uber-Fail.

[Buck]

Hey Clay, your article got posted on a Chargers forum, and not by me.

http://www.thenflforum.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=252591

Enjoy this article about the Chiefs' run stopping woes, and several different postseason scenarios based on certain teams winning or losing...

Chiefs Have Bigger Problems Than An Appendix (http://kan.scout.com/2/1032237.html)

Here's hoping that another "Jackson" goes off and gets 3 scores this week, that being Stephen Jackson, the running back for the St Louis Rams! :fingersx:

It would be great for the Bolts to take the field at Cincinatti the day after Christmas knowing that once again they control their own destiny, and the AFC West title is theirs to lose! :1stplace:

[Hammock Parties]

If the Chiefs had drafted an OLB and ILB in the draft, it's quite possible that the Chiefs would have glaring deficiencies at returner, nickel back and slot receiver.

We have the 26th ranked kick return unit and our 22nd ranked secondary is allowing 232 yards per game, the same number as last year. We're also 23rd in interceptions. McCluster has done nothing as a slot receiver.

Good thing we drafted McCluster and Arenas! We might totally suck instead of just kinda sucking!

[DaneMcCloud]

We have the 26th ranked kick return unit and our 22nd ranked secondary is allowing 232 yards per game, the same number as last year. We're also 23rd in interceptions. McCluster has done nothing as a slot receiver.

Good thing we drafted McCluster and Arenas! We might totally suck instead of just kinda sucking!

Hey Dude, after a full year of riding Pioli's ass for his horrible personnel decisions in 2009, I thought I'd be magnanimous about 2010 and ride it out.

With that said, Berry, Lewis and Moeaki have been excellent selections and Asamoah should be starting.

[BigMeatballDave]

We have the 26th ranked kick return unit and our 22nd ranked secondary is allowing 232 yards per game, the same number as last year. We're also 23rd in interceptions. McCluster has done nothing as a slot receiver.

Good thing we drafted McCluster and Arenas! We might totally suck instead of just kinda sucking!http://www.belch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/attention-whore3.jpg

[DaneMcCloud]

The only one around here acting like a child is Clay.
Do you enjoy his attention-whoring? Thats all this shit of his is. He's trying to be another Jason fucking Whitlock. Uber-Fail.

How is it attention whoring? He's been far more of an attention whore in the past, especially 2004-2008. He posted an article that is pretty much spot on.

It seems to me that some people like to bury their head in the sand and ignore the Chiefs glaring deficiencies because they beat eight shitty fucking football teams this season.

[OnTheWarpath15]

So Clay's an attention whore, apparently everyone knows he's attention whore, yet people still respond to him and give him - gasp! - attention?

Interesting concept.

[penguinz]

Bad article starting with the very first sentence.

[DaneMcCloud]

So Clay's an attention whore, apparently everyone knows he's attention whore, yet people still respond to him and give him - gasp! - attention?

Interesting concept.

The guy has more than 100,000 posts from his main identity and probably another 5,000-10,000 from his other identities.

Calling him an attention whore is redundant.

[BigMeatballDave]

How is it attention whoring? He's been far more of an attention whore in the past, especially 2004-2008. He posted an article that is pretty much spot on.

It seems to me that some people like to bury their head in the sand and ignore the Chiefs glaring deficiencies because they beat eight shitty fucking football teams this season.The attention-whoring is in reference to his tantrums about the Chiefs being 'Frauds'.

I dont have my head in the sand. I see exactly where this team is. They have glaring holes, but are winning in spite of them. 8-5 is always better than 5-8. We have a lot of young players and winning early like this can do a lot for these kid's confidence for the future. We need an NT in the worst way. We need someone opposite Hali, and we need a solid #2 WR. Plus, we have NO depth. Rome wasnt built in a day.

[Hammock Parties]

Jesus was hated by a lot of people when he was alive, too.

After his death he was much more popular.

Haters gonna hate. I'll die for Chiefsplanet's sins of homerism and false prophet (Pioli) love. Just accept my message more openly when we start 2-4 next year and it's time for the second coming.

Armageddon is fast approaching.

http://www.betukbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/nfl-playoffs-748167.jpg

[OnTheWarpath15]

The guy has more than 100,000 posts from his main identity and probably another 5,000-10,000 from his other identities.

Calling him an attention whore is redundant.

Agreed.

I just think it's comical that people bitch about it while continuing to respond to him.

If you really think he's an attention whore, or a troll, don't respond.

Pretty simple.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Jesus was hated by a lot of people when he was alive, too.

After his death he was much more popular.

Haters gonna hate. I'll die for Chiefsplanet's sins of homerism and false prophet (Pioli) love. Just accept my message more openly when we start 2-4 next year and it's time for the second coming.

Armageddon is fast approaching.

http://www.betukbetting.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/nfl-playoffs-748167.jpg

LMAO

[Ming the Merciless]

Haters gonna hate. I'll die for Chiefsplanet's sins of homerism and false prophet (Pioli) love. Just accept my message more openly when we start 2-4 next year and it's time for the second coming.


So what should your punishment be if we do not start 2-4, would you be considered a blasphemer and a false prophet?

[DaneMcCloud]

I dont have my head in the sand. I see exactly where this team is. They have glaring holes, but are winning in spite of them.

They haven't beaten ONE TEAM with a winning record when they faced them. Jacksonville has the same record as the Chiefs at this point, but the Chiefs didn't face their starting QB. They faced a guy that was on a tractor that week.

They're not winning in spite of their holes. Their glaring holes were exploited BIG TIME against the Broncos and Chargers this past week. I'm not really thrilled about facing the Raiders in Week 17 because their rushing game has been nearly unstoppable as of late.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

A much bigger contribution from 2009 would have this team closer to being competitive in the playoffs but they completely screwed the pooch in the draft and free agency. They gambled on Arenas & McCluster instead of Sean Lee, Daryl Washington or Koa Misi and so far, that's been a losing hand.

And IMO, pointing out the Chiefs deficiencies is neither bashing nor attention whoring.

[Ming the Merciless]

A much bigger contribution from 2009 would have this team closer to being competitive in the playoffs but they completely screwed the pooch in the draft and free agency. They gambled on Arenas & McCluster instead of Sean Lee, Daryl Washington or Koa Misi and so far, that's been a losing hand.

And IMO, pointing out the Chiefs deficiencies is neither bashing nor attention whoring.

Well, in fairness...if Cassel Keeps improving, getting him for a second rounder is going to be a pretty good move (regardless of his pay, that isn't a factor in the value of the pick itself).....And Tyson Jackson *could* be improving, it seems.....If 1 and 2 are solid from 2009 , thats not too bad...(I know it is a big IF regarding Jackson and cassel, but just saying...)

Edit: Also we still have the conditional pick from Trading Alex Magee - for whatever that will be worth....

[DaneMcCloud]

Well, in fairness...if Cassel Keeps improving, getting him for a second rounder is going to be a pretty good move (regardless of his pay, that isn't a factor in the value of the pick itself).....And Tyson Jackson *could* be improving, it seems.....If 1 and 2 are solid from 2009 , thats not too bad...(I know it is a big IF regarding Jackson and cassel, but just saying...)

I see no reason why Cassel won't continue improving but Jackson is iffy at best (and still a poor selection), Washington is crap, Magee is gone, Brown is gone, O'Connell is crap, Goff was crap, Engram was crap, Wade was crap and on and on and on.

As of right now, I have faith in Matt Cassel. I think he's improved exponentially this season and have high hopes for his continued success in 2011.

[Ming the Merciless]

I see no reason why Cassel won't continue improving but Jackson is iffy at best (and still a poor selection), Washington is crap, Magee is gone, Brown is gone, O'Connell is crap, Goff was crap, Engram was crap, Wade was crap and on and on and on.

As of right now, I have faith in Matt Cassel. I think he's improved exponentially this season and have high hopes for his continued success in 2011.

Yah, I guess what I am saying is that if Cassel continues improving (which you and I both appear to have some faith that he will) and Jackson gets better and starts playing well (which you and I agree is at least *possibility* or 'iffy') that is the #1 and #2 picks...Succop appears to be decent, and if we get something out of MaGee's pick then that will be the top 2 picks and 2 of the lower picks 'hitting' some kind of success.....If that happens it isn't the utter failure that many believe it to be...Thats all I am saying.

[chiefzilla1501]

And there's where I have an issue.

The LB corp of a 3-4 defense is infinitely more important than KR's and WR3's.

They did pass on OLB/ILB, and yet the return game is still extremely disappointing, as has the WR play other than Bowe.

So... again, drafting for need. Something we talked about so many times as a complete no-no?

You don't walk into a draft pick with the intent to fill in a position of need. You pick a guy you think will best fit your football team. Otherwise, you'd make the dumb mistake of acting like picking Kevin Faulk in the 2nd round was dumb because he never became a full-time RB. So far, Arenas has played very well in the Nickel and McCluster is a TBD (and it's disingenuous to say that he's going to be a #3 WR, given that they expect him to be a playmaker--expect is the key word).

[OnTheWarpath15]

So... again, drafting for need. Something we talked about so many times as a complete no-no?

You don't walk into a draft pick with the intent to fill in a position of need. You pick a guy you think will best fit your football team. Otherwise, you'd make the dumb mistake of acting like picking Kevin Faulk in the 2nd round was dumb because he never became a full-time RB. So far, Arenas has played very well in the Nickel and McCluster is a TBD (and it's disingenuous to say that he's going to be a #3 WR, given that they expect him to be a playmaker--expect is the key word).

So they didn't draft for need when they took those three?

[Chiefshrink]

This is just a stupid statement. It could have been worded better. It implies that the Chiefs didnt draft well.

The team had a thousand needs and Rome wasnt built in a day. If we had drafted all defense, everyone would be complaining "Where are the playmakers, and O line players??"

Precisely!!!:thumb:

[Ming the Merciless]

So... again, drafting for need. Something we talked about so many times as a complete no-no?


While I agree with this to some degree, I think a team with as many needs as the Chiefs could've used this philosophy and still picked a player who contributes more to the 'every down' type of situations and fundamental football. I mean clearly Pioli believed McCluster was the 'best' football player on the board....but, there HAD to have been others who were equal or at least damn close that filled more of our basic needs. And frankly I have a hard time believing that Pioli truly thought he WAS the best football player on the board...It seemed like more of an AL Davis type of pick honestly...Where you pick the fastest / most explosive and not necessarily the best football player. We have all seen how well THAT works out for Mr. Davis.

[chiefzilla1501]

So they didn't draft for need when they took those three?

You're walking in to the draft with two positional picks in mind. The Pats didn't need Kevin Faulk when they drafted him and he never became a true starter. How do you evaluate that pick?

[DeezNutz]

We'll see what DMC becomes. If he ends up being a legit WR, he'll be definitely worth the pick.

Yesterday, however, I had to laugh when I saw...and I'm forgetting where...ESPN? NFL Network???...a discussion of the 3-4 defense. "What do you need to play it"?

1. NT
2. Stout inside LBs.

[DaneMcCloud]

We'll see what DMC becomes. If he ends up being a legit WR, he'll be definitely worth the pick.

Yesterday, however, I had to laugh when I saw...and I'm forgetting where...ESPN? NFL Network???...a discussion of the 3-4 defense. "What do you need to play it"?

1. NT
2. Stout inside LBs.

NFL Network

[chiefzilla1501]

While I agree with this to some degree, I think a team with as many needs as the Chiefs could've used this philosophy and still picked a player who contributes more to the 'every down' type of situations and fundamental football. I mean clearly Pioli believed McCluster was the 'best' football player on the board....but, there HAD to have been others who were equal or at least damn close that filled more of our basic needs. And frankly I have a hard time believing that Pioli truly thought he WAS the best football player on the board...It seemed like more of an AL Davis type of pick honestly...Where you pick the fastest / most explosive and not necessarily the best football player. We have all seen how well THAT works out for Mr. Davis.

Going back to a conversation we all had prior to the draft, we said that you can find fundamental football players pretty easily. Maybe you whiff once or twice, but if you commit to finding one, it's not terribly difficult. On the other hand, you can't pass up the opportunity to take a playmaker.

It's the argument we all made for why we should draft Eric Berry over McClain and Okung, nevermind that he carried significantly lower positional value. Safeties are rarely ever taken that high. It wasn't a bad value for an ILB and definitely the right value for a guy like Okung.

I realize we're talking about Berry, a full-time player vs. McCluster, more of a role player. But when we're talking about one full round lower, the argument still applies. Nothing wrong with valuing a playmaker over a fundamentals guy. But they had better be right--TBD on McCluster.

[BigMeatballDave]

They haven't beaten ONE TEAM with a winning record when they faced them. Jacksonville has the same record as the Chiefs at this point, but the Chiefs didn't face their starting QB. They faced a guy that was on a tractor that week.

They're not winning in spite of their holes. Their glaring holes were exploited BIG TIME against the Broncos and Chargers this past week. I'm not really thrilled about facing the Raiders in Week 17 because their rushing game has been nearly unstoppable as of late.
The difference this season is were winning most of the games we would have lost the last 3. Its growth. They're a young team and I'm enjoying watching these kids play. Remember, this team has won 8 games. 8. They won 10 the previous 3 seasons combined.

[BigMeatballDave]

I see no reason why Cassel won't continue improving but Jackson is iffy at best (and still a poor selection), Washington is crap, Magee is gone, Brown is gone, O'Connell is crap, Goff was crap, Engram was crap, Wade was crap and on and on and on.

As of right now, I have faith in Matt Cassel. I think he's improved exponentially this season and have high hopes for his continued success in 2011.The best that we can hope for TJ is depth.