Music Nirvana Versus FooFighters [Archive]

KurtCobain

01-08-2011, 11:31 PM

This is a joke IMO, but spawn from another thread.

The worst day of my life was when my dad died
The second worse day of my life was when Kurt died.

LMAO, no offense to Kurt but I have said many times the best thing to come from Nirvana was the Foo Fighters.

I like Nirvana and understand the relevance but have enjoyed the Foo Fighters stuff more.

foo fighters are the justin beiber of rock

Marcellus

01-08-2011, 11:33 PM

This is a joke IMO, but spawn from another thread.

LMAO

KcMizzou

01-08-2011, 11:34 PM

Where's the "both are awesome" option?

jd1020

01-08-2011, 11:35 PM

Foo Fighters > Nirvana. I never did understand the hype surrounding Nirvana and Kurt Cobain. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, and AIC were all better vocally and instrumentally.

the Talking Can

01-08-2011, 11:35 PM

foo fighters = frat rock

Marcellus

01-08-2011, 11:36 PM

This is going to be interesting.

wazu

01-08-2011, 11:36 PM

Nirvana changed everything. Foo Fighters just made a lot of good music.

Shogun

01-08-2011, 11:37 PM

I love Dave Grohl but I love Kurt Cobain even more. He revolutionized music.

KurtCobain

01-08-2011, 11:37 PM

Nirvana changed everything. Foo Fighters just made a lot of good music.

Thank you.

Marcellus

01-08-2011, 11:38 PM

Nirvana changed everything. Foo Fighters just made a lot of good music.

Now see I agree with you, but thats kind of what started this.

Who do you LIKE more?

LiveSteam

01-08-2011, 11:38 PM

This aint even a contest.
Nirvana was the 90s
Nirvana KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLED big hair bands like Poison
& for the record?
When Laney Stanly of Alice & Chains died. Well it just sucked ASS.

KCSupersized

01-08-2011, 11:42 PM

For my money it's Nirvana.

KcMizzou

01-08-2011, 11:43 PM

LiveSteam

01-08-2011, 11:44 PM

if their is a runner up
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dallaschiefsfan

01-08-2011, 11:45 PM

Dave Grohl didn't kill himself...so I'm giving the Foo the edge in this one.

KurtCobain

01-08-2011, 11:46 PM

Where's the "both are awesome" option?

I couldn't bring myself to it, but that's why I made it optional so you could vote for both. But in the poll any vote for anything non-nirvana is really just a vote for nirvana.

KcMizzou

01-08-2011, 11:48 PM

Tribal Warfare

01-08-2011, 11:49 PM

jd1020

01-08-2011, 11:49 PM

When Laney Stanly of Alice & Chains died. Well it just sucked ASS.

Alice In Chains

His death did suck but DuVall is a fitting replacement.

KcMizzou

01-08-2011, 11:51 PM

that shit was a throwback to the Beatles soundI think that's a big compliment.

wazu

01-08-2011, 11:53 PM

Now see I agree with you, but thats kind of what started this.

Who do you LIKE more?

Nirvana. Foo Fighters is easier to listen to and play at parties, but Nirvana hits a deeper level for me. Love them both, though.

Tribal Warfare

01-08-2011, 11:53 PM

I think that's a big compliment.

and it is

Marcellus

01-08-2011, 11:54 PM

that shit was a throwback to the Beatles sound

Compared to what? I am asking seriously not being sarcastic or argumentative. What song can I find from the Beatles that is similar to that?

SPATCH

01-08-2011, 11:55 PM

neither are really that great, unfortunately.

Brock

01-08-2011, 11:55 PM

Nirvana is clearly the more important band, but I wouldn't put the FFs down either. The first FF cd is still one of the best debuts by any band I've ever heard.

Marcellus

01-08-2011, 11:56 PM

Nirvana. Foo Fighters is easier to listen to and play at parties, but Nirvana hits a deeper level for me. Love them both, though.

I see. Hell I think I may agree. I somewhat started this and may have to rethink it. I may be eating personal Crow like Clay has been recently.

Marcellus

01-08-2011, 11:57 PM

neither are really that great, unfortunately.

Who do you like?

KurtCobain

01-08-2011, 11:57 PM

I see. Hell I think I may agree. I somewhat started this and may have to rethink it. I may be eating personal Crow like Clay has been recently.

That's the power of Kurt Cobain.

KcMizzou

01-09-2011, 12:00 AM

SPATCH

01-09-2011, 12:01 AM

Who do you like?

As far as the 90's are concerned.. I'm more of a Radiohead kind of guy

KcMizzou

01-09-2011, 12:03 AM

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 12:03 AM

****ing love me some CASH
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To cold to start a fire ,Im burning diesel, burn-en RAVEN BONES

Marcellus

01-09-2011, 12:04 AM

That's the power of Kurt Cobain.

Well here is the thing. I was just having a conversation not long ago about differences in songwriting. Songs based off story or songs based of a pure musical aspect.

I said I respected songs written off story better than pure music, so I would have to go with Nirvana saying that.

I will eat my Crow, but will still like me some Foo Fighters.

Another reason I like this place.

KcMizzou

01-09-2011, 12:06 AM

****ing love me some CASH

Check this out...

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Tribal Warfare

01-09-2011, 12:08 AM

Compared to what? I am asking seriously not being sarcastic or argumentative. What song can I find from the Beatles that is similar to that?

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|Zach|

01-09-2011, 12:09 AM

KcMizzou

01-09-2011, 12:13 AM

I understand Nirvana's place in music history compared to FF but Nirvana's music didn't really stand the test of time for me. Whereas there are a ton of good stuff the FF did that I can go back to time and time again.The Foo Fighters are one of the only real rock bands left. Dave Grohl is a friggin' talented dude.

I LOVED Nirvana, but I'm happy for Dave, and I love his stuff too.

trndobrd

01-09-2011, 12:18 AM

Lyrically the edge goes to Nirvana. Musicianship to Foo Fighters. Dave Grohl had to move in a different direction and, to his credit, did much more than try to milk the Nirvana sound for a quick payday. Without Nirvana as a precedent, Foo Fighters would still have been a very successful band.

KcMizzou

01-09-2011, 12:20 AM

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 12:23 AM

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 12:33 AM

Awesome Aric

01-09-2011, 12:48 AM

Kurt is sooo handsome <3 luv him OMG

Chiefs Rool

01-09-2011, 12:49 AM

Nirvana! I don't care what you guys say, Nirvana freaking rocks.

MichaelH

01-09-2011, 07:20 AM

I wonder where Nirvana would be right now if Kurt didn't kill himself. Probably right with the other grunge has-beens. What they were doing was fresh but didn't have the ability to capture the mainsteam's attention for years and years as the Foo Fighters have. I think Dave Grohl is a hell of a song writer and deserves all the success he has had away from Nirvana. He may not have been the driving force behind Nirvana but that was a good thing. Nirvana's demise has ironically been the best thing for Dave Grohl.

Baby Lee

01-09-2011, 07:24 AM

Better entertainment, Requiem for a Dream or In Living Color?

Rasputin

01-09-2011, 07:50 AM

Johny Cash can take this thread over
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad

01-09-2011, 08:14 AM

Ummmm both bands suck ass... The poo biters suck a little more ass

salame

01-09-2011, 08:23 AM

apples to plums nugs

threebag

01-09-2011, 08:24 AM

I like them both. For being so close to the same they are so different. Great musical talent just the weight and feel of the music. Both are fucking great

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 08:28 AM

that shit was a throwback to the Beatles sound

Well, that song wasn't written by Nirvana. It was a cover of a hidden track from the Meat Puppets.
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"Plateau" and "Oh me" were also songs by the Meat Puppets.

Frazod

01-09-2011, 08:29 AM

These threads always seem to be missing the GRUNGE KILLED ROCK option.

01-09-2011, 08:30 AM

Nirvana and it's no contest for me. I've never been able to take the Foo Fighters seriously with songs like Monkey Wrench...I've just never gotten them.

IMO Them Crooked Vultures is better than anything Dave Grohl did with FF.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 08:30 AM

Thought the early Foo Fighters stuff was a lot better. Loved the first album--raw, undoctored cuts:
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Baby Lee

01-09-2011, 08:31 AM

These threads always seem to be missing the GRUNGE KILLED ROCK option.

GnR aside, rock was ripe for a good curb stompin' around the time.

Marcellus

01-09-2011, 08:32 AM

Thought the early Foo Fighters stuff was a lot better. Loved the first album--raw, undoctored cuts:
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Dave Grohl recorded every track of every instrument on the first album except for guitar on 1 song.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 08:34 AM

GnR aside, rock was ripe for a good curb stompin' around the time.

And I think most would agree that R&B, electronica music, and Clear Channel are a lot more responsible for the death of rock than the grunge movement.

Saul Good

01-09-2011, 08:42 AM

Nirvana is clearly the more important band, but I wouldn't put the FFs down either. The first FF cd is still one of the best debuts by any band I've ever heard.

Nailed it.

Foo Fighters have put out some really good stuff since then, but they've put out a lot of syrupy crap, too.

Bugeater

01-09-2011, 08:42 AM

Never was a huge fan of either band.

Saul Good

01-09-2011, 08:44 AM

Well, that song wasn't written by Nirvana. It was a cover of a hidden track from the Meat Puppets.
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"Plateau" and "Oh me" were also songs by the Meat Puppets.

Kurt's version of Plateau was incredible.

Saul Good

01-09-2011, 08:47 AM

And I think most would agree that R&B, electronica music, and Clear Channel are a lot more responsible for the death of rock than the grunge movement.

R&B killed rock? Interesting considering that it spawned rock.

On an unrelated note, rock is making a comeback. There has been some really good rock music in the last couple of years. For my money, Metric's Gold, Guns, Girls is one of the best rock songs in the last 20 years.

notorious

01-09-2011, 08:47 AM

All 3 bands were fantastic.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 08:57 AM

R&B killed rock? Interesting considering that it spawned rock.

On an unrelated note, rock is making a comeback. There has been some really good rock music in the last couple of years. For my money, Metric's Gold, Guns, Girls is one of the best rock songs in the last 20 years.

R&B used to be a movement. Now it dominates the airways. Most of the stuff on the radio is a variation of R&B. Hip hop has a million variations from Gangsta rap to shitty rap like Ja Rule. Soul has a million variations. And then there's Beyonce and Rihanna... don't know how to classify that, but that seems like a blend of hip hop, pop, and electronica. That's probably about 3/4 of the airwaves. Think about it--you turn on the radio, and there are 5 stations that play about 95% of this garbage and then there are a few that play "classic rock." If you're lucky, you have one that plays any rock music at all.

That's fine with me, because I prefer indie music anyway and agree it's making a comeback. Some great bands out there right now like the Black Keys, Band of Horses, and the Arcade Fire. But it's not like before where rock musicians knew they could make money off of it. I think the reason it's making a comeback is because there's an underground music that is so tired of how shitty radio music has become.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 09:33 AM

R&B used to be a movement. Now it dominates the airways. Most of the stuff on the radio is a variation of R&B. Hip hop has a million variations from Gangsta rap to shitty rap like Ja Rule. Soul has a million variations. And then there's Beyonce and Rihanna... don't know how to classify that, but that seems like a blend of hip hop, pop, and electronica. That's probably about 3/4 of the airwaves. Think about it--you turn on the radio, and there are 5 stations that play about 95% of this garbage and then there are a few that play "classic rock." If you're lucky, you have one that plays any rock music at all.

That's fine with me, because I prefer indie music anyway and agree it's making a comeback. Some great bands out there right now like the Black Keys, Band of Horses, and the Arcade Fire. But it's not like before where rock musicians knew they could make money off of it. I think the reason it's making a comeback is because there's an underground music that is so tired of how shitty radio music has become.

Interesting. I dont think I've ever hit one of these "holes" in the universe where there isn't atleast 1 station that is dedicated to anything and everything rock. I'll update when I do.

Easy 6

01-09-2011, 09:40 AM

Wowzers, this shouldnt even be as close as it is.

Nirvana, all day long... no question at all.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 09:45 AM

Interesting. I dont think I've ever hit one of these "holes" in the universe where there isn't atleast 1 station that is dedicated to anything and everything rock. I'll update when I do.

It depends on what rock you're looking for. I think there are a lot of stations dedicated to classic rock or alternative rock. But few that focus on modern rock. The stations I'm referring to are the standard pop stations where you get your Beyonce, Justin Bieber, and whatever else comes out of a cow's butt.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 09:50 AM

It depends on what rock you're looking for. I think there are a lot of stations dedicated to classic rock or alternative rock. But few that focus on modern rock. The stations I'm referring to are the standard pop stations where you get your Beyonce, Justin Bieber, and whatever else comes out of a cow's butt.

Why are you tuning into pop stations to search for rock?

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 09:57 AM

Why are you tuning into pop stations to search for rock?

I've had the misfortune working out in a work gym that plays that shit nonstop. You can't avoid it. Plus, when you know enough people with shitty music taste and go to enough bars, you get a good sense of what music is popular. I'm actually an indie rock fanatic, so trust me, I don't listen to pop rock. But every once in a while, I'll listen to a band like Nickelback just for shits and giggles. Makes me feel like I'm watching a really bad B movie.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 10:04 AM

I've had the misfortune working out in a work gym that plays that shit nonstop. You can't avoid it. Plus, when you know enough people with shitty music taste and go to enough bars, you get a good sense of what music is popular. I'm actually an indie rock fanatic, so trust me, I don't listen to pop rock. But every once in a while, I'll listen to a band like Nickelback just for shits and giggles. Makes me feel like I'm watching a really bad B movie.

So because places of business have their radio tuned to a certain station there's suddenly no/very little rock stations? Got it.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 10:26 AM

So because places of business have their radio tuned to a certain station there's suddenly no/very little rock stations? Got it.

Um, no. It's called using common sense. Unless you live in a bubble, take a look at what music is selling out arenas and which musicians are making millions of dollars. It's not solid rock musicians like the Black Keys, it's pop artists like Katy Perry and Rihanna. And yes, a few years ago, when I was doing research on the radio industry, I learned that Clear Channel dominates the radio airwaves and that each station plays pretty much the same music, all of which is by popular demand. If you think that modern rock has any even slight place on popular airwaves, you're delusional. The rock that does make it are mostly poser rock bands like Nickelback or bubble gum pop rock.

So Clear Channel has several stations on popular airwaves. Typically you have several country stations. Typically you have several rock stations that focus on either classic rock or 90's alternative. I've lived in 4 markets the past 5 years, and have travelled to several others where radio was the only option. That's usually the setup. I'm fortunate to live in a market now where the indie rock scene is solid, so we have a solid indie rock station (even though 90% of the time, I listen to Sirius/XM). But in most markets I've been to, there are either no modern rock stations or they have a station that disappears because the demand wasn't high enough. You're trying to generalize to the country because your market happens to have modern rock (I'm assuming).

It's because modern rock followers, like myself, know that the radio isn't the place to get music. We've found other places to listen to the music we like, like Pandora. So the indie radio market just isn't profitable. But maybe with its resurgence, it could be making a comeback. I don't know.

01-09-2011, 10:38 AM

Get satellite radio, listen to whatever genre you want....game set match.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 10:39 AM

There is nothing common sense about anything you say.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 11:07 AM

There is nothing common sense about anything you say.

Then you are obviously living in a bubble if you honestly think "modern rock" has any significant share in the commercial radio market. Since you can't see the obvious, let me lay out a few facts:

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/17-clear-channel-monopoly-draws-criticism/
Clear Channel dominates audience share in 100 of 112 markets. Clear Channel is a media conglomerate whose #1 objective is to make money by selling radio space. They'll only play popular music that sells. Times have changed. We don't have DJs deciding what music to play. We have corporate heads forcing DJs to make music that's profitable.

And guess what music sells:
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100#/charts/hot-100
Tell me how many "rock" musicians you see there.

Okay, you have a media conglomerate dominating over 90% of the share of markets, they focus on selling commercial music that sells ad space that drives corporate profitability, and the results clearly show that rock is not particularly profitable. So it's not just common sense. It's pretty much fact.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 11:09 AM

Get satellite radio, listen to whatever genre you want....game set match.

Absolutely agree. And the DJs get the power to pick their music. I bought a lifetime subscription about 2 years ago and I think I've pretty much paid it off by now.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 11:10 AM

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 11:17 AM

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY!!!! KNOCK IT OFF GOD DAMMIT
THIS is about the great & late Kurt & his band Nirvana
Take your R&B,Rap,Gangst what ever, some where else.
This thread is about the coolest movement & licks ever laid down.
ITS CALLED GRUNGE. learn it,love it, live it.
Now if you wanna talk about /Nirvana, STP,Sound Garden,Alice in Chains,Pearl Jam,Billy Couragan & the Pumpkins. That will be ok. :-)

GO CHIEFS !!!

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 11:22 AM

Now with that said / Go smoke some HEMP & ENJOY 1 of my all time favorites

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jd1020

01-09-2011, 11:25 AM

Now with that said / Go smoke some HEMP & ENJOY 1 of my all time favorites

I would gladly have sex with either Cornell or Vedder, even at the same time.

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 11:28 AM

I never said modern rock was dominating the ariwaves dumbass. You said there was hardly any rock station, if any at all, because of what your gym and bar plays on their radio. Everything I see you saying is just completely retarded.

You're being an absolute tool if you're actually trying to pretend this is what I'm saying. Especially treating a facetitious statement as the argument.

I laid out a factual argument about how commercial music, which consists of almost no modern rock, is not just controlling the airwaves, they're dominating the airwaves. In 90% of US markets.

I forgot that facts are retarded. But I guess that your personal experience finding rock stations is much more powerful than facts.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 11:30 AM

You're being an absolute tool if you're actually trying to pretend this is what I'm saying. Especially treating a facetitious statement as the argument.

I laid out a factual argument about how commercial music, which consists of almost no modern rock, is not just controlling the airwaves, they're dominating the airwaves. In 90% of US markets.

I forgot that facts are retarded. But I guess that your personal experience finding rock stations is much more powerful than facts.

I dont have to pretend. You printed it out in this thread. Your "facts" are based on your own personal percentages. Nice facts bro...

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 11:37 AM

I dont have to pretend. You printed it out in this thread. Your "facts" are based on your own personal percentages. Nice facts bro...

Your facts are based on your personal observations of modern rock being available. Not much different. Especially given that my comments that you seem to believe are so critical to my case were being facetitious. Still, the point is common sense: take a look around. In anybody's opinion, modern rock is not popular except for underground.

The facts I was referring to... And I showed you clear facts that Clear Channel dominates 100 of 112 of US radio markets, and that the vast majority of Billboard top 100 music does not consist of modern rock. Those are facts. Look it up.

This is the last I'm writing about this. I've said everything above. You're being a tool for the sake of being a tool. Sorry everyone for derailing this thread.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 11:40 AM

Your facts are based on your personal observations of modern rock being available. Not much different. Especially given that my comments that you seem to believe are so critical to my case were being facetitious. Still, the point is common sense: take a look around. In anybody's opinion, modern rock is not popular except for underground.

The facts I was referring to... And I showed you clear facts that Clear Channel dominates 100 of 112 of US radio markets, and that the vast majority of Billboard top 100 music does not consist of modern rock. Those are facts. Look it up.

This is the last I'm writing about this. I've said everything above. You're being a tool for the sake of being a tool. Sorry everyone for derailing this thread.

Clear Channel "Represents approximately 9% of all radio stations (including non-profit)." I'm glad you decided to stfu now.

ProAngler

01-09-2011, 11:54 AM

ummm none of them! I'd say Journey or Phil Collins!! ownes them all

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 12:01 PM

ummm none of them! I'd say Journey or Phil Collins!! ownes them all

Journey ****ing SUCKS!
& Phils claim to fame. He played in the USA & the UK in the same day.
You better stick to fishing my friend
I really think I deserve more than 1 vote in this poll

chiefzilla1501

01-09-2011, 12:02 PM

Clear Channel "Represents approximately 9% of all radio stations (including non-profit)." I'm glad you decided to stfu now.

Factually misleading. Have to step in since you're using extremely misleading data. That data includes talk radio (politics, sports, religious, foreign language, and news) and a shitload of small markets that have lots of radio stations, but almost no listenership. My guess is that 20% of the radio market has about 80% of the listenership. And the fact that they included "non-profit"... that says a lot about their intentions, given that they're fighting monopoly charges right now. They have 1,200 radio stations which is insanely large.

I'm only concerned about major markets because they represent the biggest chunk of listenership. They have a dominant presence in listenership in 100 of 112 US MAJOR markets, which undoubtedly represents well over half of the US's listenership. Let's assume that's 60%. Subtract out Jesus stations, sports radio, news, nonprofit radio, political radio, Spanish radio, pure hip hop / rap, country (huge, especially in small markets and the south), pop radio owned by local stations, classic rock, oldies, soft rock... how much share do you really think modern rock actually owns in this fragmented market?

Done. On to the Chiefs.

jd1020

01-09-2011, 12:04 PM

Yet again you are posting "facts" with words like "my guess is." Just go away. You are annoyingly ignorant.

LiveSteam

01-09-2011, 12:05 PM

Factually misleading. Have to step in since you're using extremely misleading data. That data includes talk radio (politics, sports, religious, foreign language, and news) and a shitload of small markets that have lots of radio stations, but almost no listenership. My guess is that 20% of the radio market has about 80% of the listenership. And the fact that they included "non-profit"... that says a lot about their intentions, given that they're fighting monopoly charges right now. They have 1,200 radio stations which is insanely large.

I'm only concerned about major markets because they represent the biggest chunk of listenership. They have a dominant presence in listenership in 100 of 112 US MAJOR markets, which undoubtedly represents well over half of the US's listenership. Let's assume that's 60%. Subtract out Jesus stations, sports radio, news, nonprofit radio, political radio, Spanish radio, pure hip hop / rap, country (huge, especially in small markets and the south), pop radio owned by local stations, classic rock, oldies, soft rock... how much share do you really think modern rock actually owns in this fragmented market?

Done. On to the Chiefs.

Are you CASSY CASS-EM or what dude?