Mayocks Top 5s

[BossChief]

Underclassmen prevalent among top five per position (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81dd8ff0/article/underclassmen-prevalent-among-top-five-per-position?module=HP_cp2)

Quarterback:

*1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
*3. Cam Newton, Auburn
*4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, TCU
T-5. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
T-5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
T-5. Pat Devlin, Delaware

Running back:

*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
*3. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
*T-5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State
T-5. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State

Wide receiver:

*1. A.J. Green, Georgia
*2. Julio Jones, Alabama
*3. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
4. Titus Young, Boise State
T-5. Jerrel Jernigan, Troy
T-5. Greg Little, North Carolina
*T-5. Randall Cobb, Kentucky

Tight end:

*1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
5. Charles Clay, Tulsa

Guard/center:

1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
3. Danny Watkins, Baylor
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
T-5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
T-5. William Rackley, Lehigh

Tackle:

1. Nate Solder, Colorado
2. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College
3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Defensive end:

*1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
2. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
3. Aldon Smith, Missouri
*4. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
*5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina

Defensive tackle:

*1. Nick Fairley, Auburn
*2. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
*3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
*4. Jurrell Casey, Southern California
5. Stephen Paea, Oregon State

Linebacker:

1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
*2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
*3. Justin Houston, Georgia
4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
*5. Martez Wilson, Illinois

Cornerback:

*1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
*3. Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.)
*4. Aaron Williams, Texas

Safety:

*1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
2. Ahmad Black, Florida
3. Deunta Williams, North Carolina

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I expect the bolded players to be guys we target during the draft at various places. Kinda surprised he doesnt have Powe on there from Ole Miss' as well. I expect him to go in the first two rounds and I would think he could very well be on our radar after as much film we watched of Ole Miss last year drafting Lewis and DMC. He was an effective player in a similar role to what he would be doing for us last year, but has been underwhelming as a 3tech penetrator this year.

[Marcellus]

Gabbert before Locker?

[Reaper16]

Gabbert before Locker?
The pre-combine, pre-Pro-Day consensus is that Gabbert is the best QB.

[DeezNutz]

Gabbert before Locker?

The only thing surprising about that is that Locker is listed as #2, which he shouldn't be, IMO.

Gabbert is the definitive #1.

[Marcellus]

I am just glad to see Newton is figured as #1.

I can't talk on the fine differences between Gabbert and Locker but it seems Locker has been pumped as the better pro prospect.

[beer bacon]

Locker's draft stock went down this season.

[Marcellus]

Locker's draft stock went down this season.

Gabbert's didn't? I figured both did.

[DeezNutz]

Gabbert's didn't? I figured both did.

Gabbert's went through the roof; Locker killed himself.

[BigMeatballDave]

I still think Mallett will be the best outta that group.

[Reaper16]

I feel like Marcellus is posting from August 2010 somehow.

[Marcellus]

I feel like Marcellus is posting from August 2010 somehow.

No just going off what I have heard.

I think the difference is Locker was expected to be TOP SHIT and he dropped.

Gabbert didn't tear it up, and for the record I am a Mizzou fan.

I hope to hell he kills it the NFL but I don't see it.

I saw less of Locker but going by what I heard at the end of the season.

[DeezNutz]

No just going off what I have heard.

I think the difference is Locker was expected to be TOP SHIT and he dropped.

Gabbert didn't tear it up, and for the record I am a Mizzou fan.

I hope to hell he kills it the NFL but I don't see it.

I saw less of Locker but going by what I heard at the end of the season.

For some reason, I think many Mizzou fans were hyper critical of Gabbert. For example, that dude was the only reason we were even in the game against Iowa, yet he was lambasted by a shit ton of fans.

Craziness.

[Marcellus]

For some reason, I think many Mizzou fans were hyper critical of Gabbert. For example, that dude was the only reason we were even in the game against Iowa, yet he was lambasted by a shit ton of fans.

Craziness.

Lack of talent around him was an issue for damn sure. He played hurt a lot as well.

I just watched him play and didn't see NFL success.

Maybe I have been a Chiefs fan too long.

Or Chase McDaniels fucked me up.

[-King-]

For some reason, I think many Mizzou fans were hyper critical of Gabbert. For example, that dude was the only reason we were even in the game against Iowa, yet he was lambasted by a shit ton of fans.

Craziness.

I think he was too good for the type of offense we ran. It was a mismatch. That's why Franklin will likely do better than Gabbert did. Put Gabbert in stanford instead of Luck and he likely has a better season than Luck did. But at MU with our shitty O, he was never going to look special.
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[DeezNutz]

Lack of talent around him was an issue for damn sure. He played hurt a lot as well.

I just watched him play and didn't see NFL success.

Maybe I have been a Chiefs fan too long.

Or Chase McDaniels ****ed me up.

I fully expect him to take the Josh Freeman route and enjoy more success in the NFL than he did in college, and Gabbert looked a shit ton better in college than Freeman.

Gabbert's upside is elite-level QB. Like any prospect, he might bust out, but there isn't a single facet of his game that can't be of "franchise" quality.

Also, remember that Daniel was throwing to FAR more talented players.

[-King-]

Lack of talent around him was an issue for damn sure. He played hurt a lot as well.

I just watched him play and didn't see NFL success.

Maybe I have been a Chiefs fan too long.

Or Chase McDaniels fucked me up.
He'll be a bust if he starts right away.
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[Marcellus]

I think he was too good for the type of offense we ran. It was a mismatch. That's why Franklin will likely do better than Gabbert did. Put Gabbert in stanford instead of Luck and he likely has a better season than Luck did. But at MU with our shitty O, he was never going to look special.
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How can a QB too good for the type of offense you run? Shouldn't a good QB make any offense better?

Are you saying he was in the wrong type of offense? It was too conservative?

Serious question not a dig.

[KurtCobain]

[QUOTE=BossChief;7375874]

Quarterback:

T-5. Andy Dalton, TCU
T-5. Pat Devlin, Delaware

Running back:

*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech

Wide receiver:


*3. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
T-5. Greg Little, North Carolina
*T-5. Randall Cobb, Kentucky

Tight end:

4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas

Guard/center:

2. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
T-5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State


Tackle:

1. Nate Solder, Colorado
3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin


Defensive tackle:

5. Stephen Paea, Oregon State

Linebacker:

*2.Akeem Ayers, UCLA
*3. Justin Houston, Georgia

I want some of these, especially one of the QBs.

[-King-]

How can a QB too good for the type of offense you run? Shouldn't a good QB make any offense better?

Are you saying he was in the wrong type of offense? It was too conservative?

Serious question not a dig.

I guess too good isn't the right term. What I mean is that he is better than Chase Daniel and Brad Smith, but at MU, he can't be as successful as them. Not his fault. its the type of offense we run.
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[DeezNutz]

How can a QB too good for the type of offense you run? Shouldn't a good QB make any offense better?

Are you saying he was in the wrong type of offense? It was too conservative?

Serious question not a dig.

He was the best player on the field, for either team, in pretty much every game he played this year. He did make the offense better.

This is getting crazy.

[Marcellus]

He was the best player on the field, for either team, in pretty much every game he played this year. He did make the offense better.

This is getting crazy.

I didn't look at it this way. I listen to most games on Saturday on the radio. I guess it lacks some dynamic as far as the talent presentation goes, though I love the Mizzou radio guys.

[Reaper16]

I didn't look at it this way. I listen to most games on Saturday on the radio. I guess it lacks some dynamic as far as the talent presentation goes, though I love the Mizzou radio guys.
This says it all.

[BossChief]

This says it all.

ROFL

[Marcellus]

This says it all.

Hey if your own radio guys can't make you sound good, how good can you be?

Try again.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I am just glad to see Newton is figured as #1.

I can't talk on the fine differences between Gabbert and Locker but it seems Locker has been pumped as the better pro prospect.

Did you die in September?

[Marcellus]

Did you die in September?

Hmmmm. I guess so because that has been asked 2x now.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I think most of his lists are on, but Nate Solder as the best tackle prospect is a fucking joke. That guy was beaten like a goddamned government mule every game I ever saw him play.

Watch the last drive Colorado had in the game against Missouri this year. You'll never see worse LT play anywhere.

[L.A. Chieffan]

No on all the qbs, yes on pouncey, green, williams,castanzo, ayers

[DTLB58]

Akeem Ayers, UCLA :banghead: Carl

[Saccopoo]

I think most of his lists are on, but Nate Solder as the best tackle prospect is a ****ing joke. That guy was beaten like a goddamned government mule every game I ever saw him play.

Watch the last drive Colorado had in the game against Missouri this year. You'll never see worse LT play anywhere.

That's saying quite a lot after watching the Chiefs this past five years since Willie retired.

[keg in kc]

I hope to christ they don't target stanzi. Matt Cassel is enough, we don't need to add a Ricky Cassel.

(Although I love that show)

[aturnis]

Wasn't impressed with Devlin. I'd can't wait to see how Stanzi does in the Senior Bowl. Still want him...

[kysirsoze]

That's saying quite a lot after watching the Chiefs this past five years since Willie retired.

When was your last non-offensive line related post?

[aturnis]

Ricky Stanzi | Iowa Hawkeyes
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 230 | 40-Time: 4.81


Strengths:
• Possesses ideal height and bulk with a large frame
• Above average athleticism with pretty good mobility
• Arm is strong enough to make all the necessary throws
• Outstanding throwing mechanics and a great delivery
• Able to buy time in pocket and make plays with feet
• Can work under center and go through progressions
• Tough and will stand tall in the pocket under duress
• Intelligent student of the game with good football IQ
• Mature and hard working w/ terrific leadership skills
• A lot of experience against top-notch competition

Weaknesses:
• Will force throws and make poor decisions at times (senior year 25TD/6INT's)
• Does not handle pressure very well and will panic (doesn't strength #7 contradict this a little?)
• Inconsistent in areas of touch, timing and accuracy (Through his career yes. senior yr. 64% comp in pro style offense)
• Struggles the further down the field he has to go
• Often failed to come through in clutch situations (this year yes, first 2 seasons he came through a number of times)
• Some minor durability and off-the-field concerns (Possesion of alcohol as a college student is a concern?)

Notes:
A three-year starter and team captain for the Hawkeyes --- Finished up college career ranked third in school history in wins, touchdown passes, passing yards and total offense --- Missed two games in 2009 after undergoing surgery to repair an ankle injury --- Arrested in 2008 for being a minor in possession of alcohol --- Was a member of the "Leadership Group" in 2009 and 2010 --- Polished passer who is the product of a pro style offensive system --- Still improving and appears to have some upside --- Made tremendous strides as a senior and significantly enhanced draft stock after beginning the year as a late round possibility --- May profile as more of a backup at the next level but there is enough from a physical tools and intangibles standpoint to make you feel as though he could eventually compete for a starting job.


Career Statistics
Year GP COMP ATT YDS COMP % TD INT
2006 RS - - - - - -
2007 2 0 4 0 0 0 1
2008 13 150 254 1,956 59.1% 14 9
2009 11 171 304 2,417 56.3% 17 15
2010 13 221 345 3,004 64.1% 25 6
Totals 39 542 907 7,377 59.8% 56 31


What's so bad about all of this? Mind you a few of the weaknesses were problems early in his career and seemed absolutely corrected this last year (decisions, accuracy).

[tyton75]

I want Paea... simply because we need a fatty in the middle that can hold the point of attack!

if we don't address NT in some fashion.. I'm really gonna be pissed!

[BigCatDaddy]

What a piss poor tight end class compared to last year. Which one to you think we will take? :)

What's up with Delaware producing NFL QB's now?

I also wish we had a little more Ammo to move up to about 10 and snatch up Von Miller.

[Prince22]

I'd love to have Randall Cobb in the 3rd or 4th round. He's been a leader since his freshman season. He'll make a great slot receiver. And dispite his tweet calling out some fans, he's not a head case. Natural born football player.

[ChiefsCountry]

What a piss poor tight end class compared to last year. Which one to you think we will take? :)What's up with Delaware producing NFL QB's now?I also wish we had a little more Ammo to move up to about 10 and snatch up Von Miller.

Von Miller doesnt fit the Pats mode for an olb. He is too small.
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[BigCatDaddy]

Von Miller doesnt fit the Pats mode for an olb. He is too small.
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He can put on a few lbs without losing much speed. He is only 10-15lbs lighter the Vrabel and Hali.

[Saul Good]

How can a QB too good for the type of offense you run? Shouldn't a good QB make any offense better?

Are you saying he was in the wrong type of offense? It was too conservative?

Serious question not a dig.

If you watch the first half of the Iowa game, you can see example after example of this. The Mizzou WRs were well-covered (by college standards which means that they are "open" by NFL standards). Gabbert fired laser after laser into tiny windows in front of the WRs where only the WR could get to them. The balls had steam on them, and they went right through the Receivers' hands over and over again. In the NFL, those are completions. In college, Gabbert might have been better off going to his next read because there is likely a more open WR where the QB can throw the ball into his gut.

Basically, Gabbert made NFL reads and NFL throws, but he had college level WRs. Give him Maclin or Danario or Coffman or Franklin or Rucker, and it would have been one hell of a show. Gabbert's weakness is his deep ball. It is perplexingly bad. I can remember him throwing exactly one good deep ball his entire career, and that was in the Iowa game. Even during his Sophomore year, he threw them poorly, but DA made great catches.

[WebGem]

Gabbert's didn't? I figured both did.

:spock:

[BossChief]

I also wish we had a little more Ammo to move up to about 10 and snatch up Von Miller.

He can put on a few lbs without losing much speed. He is only 10-15lbs lighter the Vrabel and Hali.

Miller is a bad run defender and we seem to have been grooming Andy Studebaker for the LOLB spot. Even if we were picking towardsw to the top of the first, I doubt we would take him.

Personally I think we will be targeting a WR, C or NT in the first.

[aturnis]

If you watch the first half of the Iowa game, you can see example after example of this. The Mizzou WRs were well-covered (by college standards which means that they are "open" by NFL standards). Gabbert fired laser after laser into tiny windows in front of the WRs where only the WR could get to them. The balls had steam on them, and they went right through the Receivers' hands over and over again. In the NFL, those are completions. In college, Gabbert might have been better off going to his next read because there is likely a more open WR where the QB can throw the ball into his gut.

Basically, Gabbert made NFL reads and NFL throws, but he had college level WRs. Give him Maclin or Danario or Coffman or Franklin or Rucker, and it would have been one hell of a show. Gabbert's weakness is his deep ball. It is perplexingly bad. I can remember him throwing exactly one good deep ball his entire career, and that was in the Iowa game. Even during his Sophomore year, he threw them poorly, but DA made great catches.

I haven't yet understood all the hype Gabbert has been getting for the Iowa game. Iowa did as they had done all year in the first half, and ran their base defense pretty much full-time. He completed a lot of stuff short middle just as every other spread team had all season. The Hawkeyes were covering with LBers even on third down. Iowa wouldn't have lost all the games they did if that had switched to the nickel or dime every so often against spread and air raid teams. They finally started running some of those looks in the second half, and it paid off.

[beer bacon]

Gabbert's didn't? I figured both did.

Why would Gabbert's stock have gone down?

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[Ralphy Boy]

I want Paea... simply because we need a fatty in the middle that can hold the point of attack!

if we don't address NT in some fashion.. I'm really gonna be pissed!

= me in 2009 & 2010.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I haven't yet understood all the hype Gabbert has been getting for the Iowa game. Iowa did as they had done all year in the first half, and ran their base defense pretty much full-time. He completed a lot of stuff short middle just as every other spread team had all season. The Hawkeyes were covering with LBers even on third down. Iowa wouldn't have lost all the games they did if that had switched to the nickel or dime every so often against spread and air raid teams. They finally started running some of those looks in the second half, and it paid off.

Yeah, hitting 20 yard post routes on 3rd and 18 is like throwing a tunnel screen.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Von Miller doesnt fit the Pats mode for an olb. He is too small.
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He can also rush the passer, so that's another strike against him.

[Bewbies]

He can also rush the passer, so that's another strike against him.

Ok, that's funny. :D

[dallaschiefsfan]

Would love to get Andy Dalton if the value was right and we had some other areas already addressed. He's not exactly a sleeper...but I think the guy is probably going to be better than several of the QB's drafted ahead of him.

[mcaj22]

What a piss poor tight end class compared to last year. Which one to you think we will take? :)

What's up with Delaware producing NFL QB's now?

I also wish we had a little more Ammo to move up to about 10 and snatch up Von Miller.


I dont think Pat Devlin is product of Delaware producing NFL QBs now.

I played football in high school against Pat Devlin. 5 years ago he was the #1 recruit out of Pennsylvania, went to play a Penn State, couldn't beat out Daryll Clark or any of the other scrubs Penn State used the last two seasons so he transferred to Delaware which guaranteed him full playing time. He ran from the competition. He could have been a god at Penn State this year especially with the piss poor QB they had this last season.

I'm also willing to bet he saw what Delaware did with Flacco, and the void it left them at QB and hoped he could follow in the same mold by transferring there.