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HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 11:58 AM

Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.

Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?

http://lh3.google.com/DoubleTapper/R_KaxKEYn0I/AAAAAAAAAtM/kXIFofGoUI0/A4.gif

Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

Part 2: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=293623

KurtCobain

01-23-2011, 11:59 AM

I just wanna fucking kill something.

Rasputin

01-23-2011, 12:07 PM

But Kurt you swear you don't have a gun...
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Hog's Gone Fishin

01-23-2011, 12:08 PM

We just picked up a really sweet AR style Remington in full camo .204 Caliber. Alread shot 6 coyotes ,2 bobcats , and a stray dog since Christmas.

Check it out: http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-r-15/model-r-15.aspx

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 12:09 PM

We just picked up a really sweet AR style Remington in full camo .204 Caliber. Alread shot 6 coyotes ,2 bobcats , and a stray dog since Christmas.

I looked at the new Remington. Accurate? How do you like the 204?

Hog's Gone Fishin

01-23-2011, 12:17 PM

I looked at the new Remington. Accurate? How do you like the 204?

Bobcat I shot Friday night was at 170 yards using nightvision. There's no bullet drop at 200 yards and the .204 round is right there with the .220 swift at 4200 fps. The 204 is probably my most favorite round. It blows shit up !

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 12:23 PM

Bobcat I shot Friday night was at 170 yards using nightvision. There's no bullet drop at 200 yards and the .204 round is right there with the .220 swift at 4200 fps. The 204 is probably my most favorite round. It blows shit up !

Ive been a 22 250 fan forever but the 204 looks pretty fun. May have to sell a 300winMag and a 280 then get 2 AR's

Hog's Gone Fishin

01-23-2011, 12:27 PM

Man, Don't sell your guns. President Osama will be trying to take them away anyway. Get a 2nd or 3rd job and just buy more. Or use the guns you got to rob a bank and then buy more.

01-23-2011, 01:38 PM

I have a S&W M&P 15 and I love it, but sadly haven't been able to shoot enough to speak about it's accuracy. I recently scoped it though and am looking forward to shooting some deer with it!

Pants

01-23-2011, 01:46 PM

I too am looking to buy an AR15 (must be 5.56/.223). My budget is probably around $1500, what do you experts think my best bet would be? I'm leaning towards Rock River Arms (http://www.rockriverarms.com/).

Kraus

01-23-2011, 01:49 PM

I'd plan on picking up a CMMG M4LEP-II this spring. They are a local (Missouri) manufacturer.

http://www.renegade-armament.com/images/rsr/_C/_CMMG/CMMGM4LEPII_1.jpg

Dallas Chief

01-23-2011, 01:59 PM

Here is my latest rig. I have it outfitted with an Aimpoint red dot sight and flip up front and rear iron sights. Good times at the range!

Pants

01-23-2011, 02:27 PM

Here is my latest rig. I have it outfitted with an Aimpoint red dot sight and flip up front and rear iron sights. Good times at the range!

Dang, only $1300? I'm really tempted to get this as well.

aturnis

01-23-2011, 02:30 PM

REPOST!

Show me your arms thread...

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 02:45 PM

I waiting till 2012 when i can buy ahttp://http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/atistg.jpghttp://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/atistg.jpg

StG 44 in 22 lr

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...4-rifle-22-lr/

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 02:49 PM

& next
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z271/reloader1959/rifles/atimp40.jpg

My advise for your AR is,Sierra .224 dia. 69 GR. HPBT-MATCH
My advise for you guys & your R-15s in 204 Ruger is Fiocchi V-max in 40 GR. & its on sale to. $18.00 for 50 round box

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 02:52 PM

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 02:58 PM

Why this over the Colt?
+1 on the colt for $1500. your Rock should cost no more than $750.00 to $800.00
you can build what ever kind of ZOMBIE KILLER you want from Mid way
http://www.midwayusa.com/

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 03:02 PM

I'd plan on picking up a CMMG M4LEP-II this spring. They are a local (Missouri) manufacturer.

http://www.renegade-armament.com/images/rsr/_C/_CMMG/CMMGM4LEPII_1.jpg

One high dollar rig. I dont know enough about all the add ons and upgrades to know why this over a factory colt or a Bushmaster. I need schooling.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 03:04 PM

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:06 PM

One high dollar rig. I dont know enough about all the add ons and upgrades to know why this over a factory colt or a Bushmaster. I need schooling.

http://www.thehighroad.org/

Go join. You can thank me later. The only dumb question you can ask on The High Road . org. Is the question you dont ask.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:09 PM

I picked up a new 9mm yesterday. Ruger P95. It's uglier than my ex-wife in the morning, but got great reviews, was inexpensive and has a pit rail. I'm going to pick up a Viridian C5L green laser/tactical light for it that'll run me almost as much as I paid for the pistol itself.

I just spent a ton on optics this week. I hate optics , have never used them. but im in my 40s now & just cant see like i used to. & like rifles you better do your research before you buy,I was very shocked at what good glass scopes were going for.

Pants

01-23-2011, 03:12 PM

Why this over the Colt?

I'd love to get a Colt for $1500, you got a link for something that might be worth $1500 in your opinion?

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:14 PM

I'd love to get a Colt for $1500, you got a link for something that might be worth $1500 in your opinion?

http://www.gunbroker.com/

http://www.gunsamerica.com/

http://www.thehighroad.org/ for sale page is huge

Frazod

01-23-2011, 03:14 PM

I just spent a ton on optics this week. I hate optics , have never used them. but im in my 40s now & just cant see like i used to. & like rifles you better do your research before you buy,I was very shocked at what good glass scopes were going for.

Deteriorating eyesight here, too. I spend most of my waking hours in front of a monitor, and that and age have taken their toll. Distance vision is still good, but I've become extremely far-sighted and it really fucks with me using iron sights now. That's the reason I'm getting the laser.

Getting old sucks. :sulk:

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:17 PM

Deteriorating eyesight here, too. I spend most of my waking hours in front of a monitor, and that and age have taken their toll. Distance vision is still good, but I've become extremely far-sighted and it really ****s with me using iron sights now. That's the reason I'm getting the laser.

Getting old sucks. :sulk:

SUCKS DONT IT. Most of my hand guns are Black powder revolvers. so even when my eye sight was good. you couldnt see shit after the first shot. LOL
I did most my glass buying off ebay. great deals over there

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:23 PM

I just wanna ****ing kill something.

like this ?

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or this
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FUCK OFF PETA. I love fur murder

Frazod

01-23-2011, 03:23 PM

SUCKS DONT IT. Most of my hand guns are Black powder revolvers. so even when my eye sight was good. you couldnt see shit after the first shot. LOL
I did most my glass buying off ebay. great deals over there

I should check prices on ebay as well. OpticsPlanet has that C5L for $275, comparable price on Amazon.

EDIT: Just did - nobody can beat $275. I think I'll get the Amazon package with the holster for $300.

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 03:25 PM

http://www.thehighroad.org/

Go join. You can thank me later. The only dumb question you can ask on The High Road . org. Is the question you dont ask.

Ill thank you now. Thank You.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:34 PM

I should check prices on ebay as well. OpticsPlanet has that C5L for $275, comparable price on Amazon.

EDIT: Just did - nobody can beat $275. I think I'll get the Amazon package with the holster for $300.

I went after nice old used glass. either late 70s diamond ground in America glass or glass ground in the Philippians, is diamond ground to.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:36 PM

Ill thank you now. Thank You.

for me. its a place where i can pick the minds of men much older than me. & there is no ? they cant answer. Its Gun School 24/7 for me when Im there.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 03:38 PM

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 03:39 PM

I picked up a new 9mm yesterday. Ruger P95. It's uglier than my ex-wife in the morning, but got great reviews, was inexpensive and has a pit rail. I'm going to pick up a Viridian C5L green laser/tactical light for it that'll run me almost as much as I paid for the pistol itself.

Nothing wrong with that. My first purchase was in August and it was a P95. The thing shoots every time and ran me $280.

Pants

01-23-2011, 03:40 PM

What the awesome is that?

MP40.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 03:41 PM

MP40.

Looks BA. I want one. That's got to be expensive. They still make those?

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:42 PM

What the awesome is that?

22 lr MP-40
looks good dont it. They will have to out fit the barrel if they are really going to import them. lil flash hider is my guess

The StG 44 is in 22lr as well. Stg 44 is the father of all assault rifles

Pants

01-23-2011, 03:44 PM

22 lr MP-40
looks good dont it. The StG 44 is in 22lr as well. Stg 44 is the father of all assault rifles

Yeah, I know about the StG. What's your fascination with the WW2 guns? They make them better now, you know?

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.impactguns.com/store/798681418145.html

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:46 PM

Yeah, I know about the StG. What's your fascination with the WW2 guns? They make them better now, you know?

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.impactguns.com/store/798681418145.html

Its an aw full lot of money. but guns are kinda like gold. & if you have something like that & it gets banned. sky is the limit for what peeps will pay for guns they have to have. so if you like it or love it? get it IMO
My dad was a solder for 42 years hear in Nebraska. & he had hundreds of friends that fought in WWII so my hole life i was very lucky to hear about BAND OF BROTHER type things first hand. last WWII vet that I personally knew passed last spring. Bugs met Herd Nolda a few times

Frazod

01-23-2011, 03:48 PM

Nothing wrong with that. My first purchase was in August and it was a P95. The thing shoots every time and ran me $280.

I got it for $305 at a local place. Bud's had it for $300, but since I won't have to have it shipped to an FFL I actually saved a little. I'm picking it up Tuesday night.

I'm not crazy about the grip, but I found a Pachmayr slip-on at pistoleer.com for $11.00 and have already ordered it.

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 03:48 PM

http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=658

I Want.

Damn it Bears.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 03:49 PM

Pants

01-23-2011, 03:49 PM

Its an aw full lot of money. but guns are kinda like gold. & if you have something like that & it gets banned. sky is the limit for what peeps will pay for guns they have to have. so if you like it or love it? get it IMO

Well, good guns cost a lot of money. I was ready to buy one of the Daniel's Defense (https://danieldefense.com/rifles/carbine-length.html) M4's but it seems like they're not in stock anywhere because they're so popular. I'm just debating between the Colt M4 and the Sig now.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:51 PM

One of my dads best friends Herb Nolda
This book documents the United States Coast Guard career of Herbert E Nolda, from his enlistment in April 1942 to his discharge in December 1945. The book also encompasses his early life before the war... and his life after the war as it relates to veterans' matters. On the morning of December 7, 1941, Herbert was living in Santa Monica, California, where he was employed at the huge Douglas Aircraft factory. He arrived at a boarding house for lunch to find the landlady hysterical with the news of the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Several other young men were there too. Within minutes one of the young men stood up and announced: "Our country's in trouble and needs our help. I'm going down to enlist. Is anyone else coming with me?" "I am," Herbert replied. His time in the service was varied, from patrols on the East Coast, to four major invasions in North Africa and Europe. On June 6, 1944, D-Day, he was manning the #1 gun on his ship, LCI(L) #92 as she plowed into the maelstrom of Omaha Beach. Her sister ship, LCI(L) #91 had hit the beach a half hour earlier. She had been Herbert's home until a month before D-Day. The two small ships became famous in the annuals of D-Day. Later, in mid-August 1945, Herbert was aboard the troop transport, USS Admiral HT Mayo anchored at Ulithi Atoll in the South Pacific when the guns of the neighboring ships started firing, but there were no enemy planes in sight. ... This book is filled with the grim and the humorous incidents of war as experienced by a young sailor from landlocked Nebraska. Also interwoven are shorter biographies of some of Herbert's crewmembers. It is richly illustrated with 185 photographs and other historical documents

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 03:52 PM

I got it for $305 at a local place. Bud's had it for $300, but since I won't have to have it shipped to an FFL I actually saved a little. I'm picking it up Tuesday night.

I'm not crazy about the grip, but I found a Pachmayr slip-on at pistoleer.com for $11.00 and have already ordered it.

Mine was used. I like the grip, I have small hands though. I bought a Mossburg tactical a few weeks ago through Buds and didn't have to pay an FFL. Military discounts rule. Buds was hella fast with it, ordered on a Monday, picked it up two days later.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 03:53 PM

I dream of owning a M1. Always wanted one. My fiances grandpa has an M1 and two Japanese WWII rifles and about 60 other guns.

If them jap rifles still have the Chrysanthemum still on them you have something special
the M1 to ,specially if he carried it in WWII

Frazod

01-23-2011, 03:55 PM

Well, good guns cost a lot of money. I was ready to buy one of the Daniel's Defense (https://danieldefense.com/rifles/carbine-length.html) M4's but it seems like they're not in stock anywhere because they're so popular. I'm just debating between the Colt M4 and the Sig now.

I picked up a DPMS Panther Oracle for around $700 last year. It's pretty bare bones, but I'm happy with it. I need to upgrade the rail and add a grip; then I could mount that Viridian laser on it.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 03:57 PM

If them jap rifles still have the Chrysanthemum still on them you have something special

Don't know. He showed them and they were impressive. One was a sniper rifle, scope was tiny compared to todays standard. His father in law brought them back with him in WWII. As is the M1. He has a japanese sword from WWII. Thats my favorite of his.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 03:58 PM

Mine was used. I like the grip, I have small hands though. I bought a Mossburg tactical a few weeks ago through Buds and didn't have to pay an FFL. Military discounts rule. Buds was hella fast with it, ordered on a Monday, picked it up two days later.

I don't think the grip is awful, but for $11 I'll give that slip on a shot and see if I like it better.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:02 PM

What made me giggle was when my fiances grandparents asked her what she wanted when their time came. She said the guns and nothing else.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:03 PM

I don't think the grip is awful, but for $11 I'll give that slip on a shot and see if I like it better.

I would too.

My fiance said she would buy me a glock come tax season. I probably should have recorded that, typed it and had it notarized.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:04 PM

What made me giggle was when my fiances grandparents asked her what she wanted when their time came. She said the guns and nothing else.

BTW, is the recoil on the P95 as light as the reviews say?

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:05 PM

I would too.

My fiance said she would buy me a glock come tax season. I probably should have recorded that, typed it and had it notarized.

Fuck Glock. I had one and got rid of it. I hate the double action trigger pull.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:05 PM

BTW, is the recoil on the P95 as light as the reviews say?

Yeah, hardly any IMO. Atleast compared to the other ones I've shot.

Dallas Chief

01-23-2011, 04:07 PM

Dang, only $1300? I'm really tempted to get this as well.

I only paid $1100 for it brand new at a gun show a few weeks back. I sold my Bushmaster AR to make room for it. Even better huh? ;)

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 04:07 PM

Garand
http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:07 PM

**** Glock. I had one and got rid of it. I hate the double action trigger pull.

I've shot a few rounds off one and liked it. I'll take a day off and go to the range and try a few brands out. I need one that I can carry with me on duty. Just in case a department doesn't supply one.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:09 PM

Garand
http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm

I offered to buy his and then he told me where it came from. I wouldn't sell it either.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:09 PM

Yeah, hardly any IMO. Atleast compared to the other ones I've shot.

Good. That was one of the things that swayed me toward that choice. I wanted something the wife would be comfortable shooting. I figure with a laser and a light-kicking gun even she won't be able to miss. :D

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:12 PM

Good. That was one of the things that swayed me toward that choice. I wanted something the wife would be comfortable shooting. I figure with a laser and a light-kicking gun even she won't be able to miss. :D

LMAO. My fiance loves the Ruger and she's 5' 110lbs. On a side note, she shoots big guns in the military.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:13 PM

LMAO. My fiance loves the Ruger and she's 5' 110lbs. On a side note, she shoots big guns in the military.

Awesome. I've got a mental image of Bonnie Parker and her BAR. LMAO

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 04:14 PM

Thank god for this thread, this football game SUCKS!

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:15 PM

Thank god for this thread, this football game SUCKS!

No shit.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 04:16 PM

http://thumb11.webshots.net/t/36/37/9/11/50/286691150DklIyn_th.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/1286691150034138631DklIyn)

notorious

01-23-2011, 04:17 PM

AR-15 with EoTech sight

S&W 1911 45

Saiga .308

M1 Garand

These are a few of my favorite things. :)

1911 vs. Glock No comparison, but the price difference is a kick in the balls.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:20 PM

Awesome. I've got a mental image of Bonnie Parker and her BAR. LMAO

She showed me her video of her training. Too bad they didn't have any video from her shooting the 30 cal or 50 cal. I would probably still have a boner.

notorious

01-23-2011, 04:21 PM

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:22 PM

She showed me her video of her training. Too bad they didn't have any video from her shooting the 30 cal or 50 cal. I would probably still have a boner.

You should post that! :titus:

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:22 PM

That is sweet!

Are they as inaccurate as the Military Channel says?

They are pretty accurate on Call of Duty. lol

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 04:23 PM

That is sweet!

Are they as inaccurate as the Military Channel says?

it is a knock off in 22 long. The StG 44 is 22 long as well. & some time in 2012 they to be released to the public

notorious

01-23-2011, 04:23 PM

They are pretty accurate on Call of Duty. lol

Return to Wolfestein, too. :)

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:24 PM

You should post that! :titus:

Haha, the only part she is involved in is the fighting part with the helmets and huge padded sticks. Whatever thats called. She did dominate the bigger girl though.

Another side note. The section with the gas masks and chemical warfare was crazy. All those people coming out of the room throwing up.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 04:25 PM

Return to Wolfestein, too. :)

Best game ever

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:28 PM

Haha, the only part she is involved in is the fighting part with the helmets and huge padded sticks. Whatever thats called. She did dominate the bigger girl though.

Another side note. The section with the gas masks and chemical warfare was crazy. All those people coming out of the room throwing up.

We just did tear gas in the Navy. Everybody came out with six inch tendrils of snot dangling from their noses. :D

notorious

01-23-2011, 04:29 PM

Best game ever

HL1, HL2 and Wolfenstein never get old.

Dunit35

01-23-2011, 04:31 PM

We just did tear gas in the Navy. Everybody came out with six inch tendrils of snot dangling from their noses. :D

I'm not sure what all they used. It seemed everyone was stumbling, coughing, throwing up.

If my fiance had to do it now and as strong as my dumps are, it wouldn't faze her a bit.

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 04:40 PM

**** Glock. I had one and got rid of it. I hate the double action trigger pull.

Ive got a Glock 9mm, Baretta 9mm, Sig 45. I must have gotten lucky. of the 3 the Sig has the roughest trigger but I have shot it the least as well.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 04:44 PM

I bought one of these a few moths back but have yet to shoot it. anyone shoot this hand gun?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/TaurusPT92.jpg/800px-TaurusPT92.jpg

my god thats the biggest pic ever. sorry

Frazod

01-23-2011, 04:49 PM

Ive got a Glock 9mm, Baretta 9mm, Sig 45. I must have gotten lucky. of the 3 the Sig has the roughest trigger but I have shot it the least as well.

I've got a Beretta Mini-Cougar 45. Not a bad gun, but it doesn't have a pit rail and twice I've pinched the shit out of my hand slapping a magazine in because the grip is short.

My other handgun is a Taurus snub .38 revolver. Great little gun, and I used to be scary accurate with it. But now that my vision's gone to shit those days are over. Shooting it now just depresses me. :(

Bane

01-23-2011, 05:04 PM

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 05:09 PM

Cant quite tell but is that a PT 92?

yes I no zero about it. A guy owed me some money so i took it.
it is new & unfired, bought out at SAC air force base in Sept. its a PT-92 AFS 17 shot mags

Bane

01-23-2011, 05:11 PM

yes I no zero about it. A guy owed me some money so i took it.
it is new & unfired, bought out at SAC air force base

Then yes.I bought my wife one around Sept last year and we love it.We've put roughly 600-700 rounds through it so far and not a single complaint.Very accurate and fun to shoot gun IMO.Easy as hell to field strip and clean,very nice gun.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 05:13 PM

they will handle +p ammo ?

Bane

01-23-2011, 05:17 PM

they will handle +p ammo ?

I have fired the 115 gr JHP+P through it with no problems.Typically we do shoot the regular 115/124 gr FMJ at the range but I picked up a few 50 round boxes of just about every 9mm round I could find just to test it out.

Honestly I started not to get the gun at first cause I'm not so familiar with Taurus but after shooting it quite a bit I'd do it again.She loves it and I even found some 20 round mags for it for $10 a piece which make it fun as hell at the range.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 05:25 PM

I need to put some rounds threw it. It feels great in my hands. its just way different from Black powder revolvers. kinda a new adventure for me. what i really want is a dearest eagle in 357 mag

Bane

01-23-2011, 05:29 PM

I need to put some rounds threw it. It feels great in my hands. its just way different from Black powder revolvers. kinda a new adventure for me. what i really want is a dearest eagle in 357 mag

I love the gun to be honest,and I am very pleasantly surprised with it so far.

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 05:31 PM

I put 1500 rounds through my Beretta 92FS when I went to the combat pistol school back in July. Never had any problems whatsoever. My buddy shot his Glock .40 and nary an issue. Shooting that many rounds in temps from 95 to 103 was a test more of me than the guns.

School if interested was HiCaliber training. It is part of T1G. Both have websites. Awesome. Would do it again in a heartbeat.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 05:31 PM

yes I no zero about it. A guy owed me some money so i took it.
it is new & unfired, bought out at SAC air force base in Sept. its a PT-92 AFS 17 shot mags

Here's a review - very positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vaSTmblWGw

Iowanian

01-23-2011, 05:35 PM

I just picked up a new pocket filler. Sig Sauer p238

My next 2 will be a new 1911 .45 and the next rifle will be a .204

Bane

01-23-2011, 05:37 PM

I just picked up a new pocket filler. Sig Sauer p238

My next 2 will be a new 1911 .45 and the next rifle will be a .204

I have never owned a Sig but have been looking at them quite a bit lately.Well them and the H&K's,I'm always curious about guns that I know little about.

notorious

01-23-2011, 05:39 PM

I just picked up a new pocket filler. Sig Sauer p238

My next 2 will be a new 1911 .45 and the next rifle will be a .204

I have been told by some pretty knowledgable gun fanatics to stay away from Colt 1911's. They said that they are living on their name instead of quality (just on the 1911).

I love my S&W 1911. Definately pay the extra 70 to get the adjustable sight.

Iowanian

01-23-2011, 05:48 PM

It's basically a miniframe1911 .380.

I compared it to the LCP, a Taurus acp, s&w bodyguard, a keltec and a walther.

The Sig was more but the reviews were good, the gun shop guys spoke highly of them, and when the rubber met the road, it fit a lot better in my hand. It's more of a 31/2 finger grip instead of 2 for me on the others.

I'm going to put some grips on it for comfort, but overall I'm very happy so far.

Iowanian

01-23-2011, 05:49 PM

I have been told by some pretty knowledgable gun fanatics to stay away from Colt 1911's. They said that they are living on their name instead of quality (just on the 1911).

I love my S&W 1911. Definately pay the extra 70 to get the adjustable sight.

As much as some guys are nervous about Taurus, I'm really not these days, and I like their 1911.

That said, I'll probably go with a Springfield.

As for black rifles...we buy lowers and put our own together.

Bane

01-23-2011, 05:50 PM

I have been told by some pretty knowledgable gun fanatics to stay away from Colt 1911's. They said that they are living on their name instead of quality (just on the 1911).

I love my S&W 1911. Definately pay the extra 70 to get the adjustable sight.

S&W makes a damn fine 1911,if not some of the best in the entire world IMO.Don't get me wrong I love my Springfield A1 loaded but the S&W's have really caught my eye as of late.I also have been checking out the Wilson Combat 1911's.

LiveSteam

01-23-2011, 05:50 PM

Here's a review - very positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vaSTmblWGw

Thanks ,excellent info. especially about the early 90s parts change out

Iowanian

01-23-2011, 05:54 PM

the first handgun I bought was a p94 .40, I've had it for longer than I'd care to admit now, but It's never given me a problem unless I ran cheap ammo through it and it was dirty....I've had issues with cheap ammo hanging up and jamming due to the casings if it wasn't clean. It was a good investment for what i needed at the time, and it's still in my close to the bed war chest.

Frazod

01-23-2011, 05:57 PM

Thanks ,excellent info. especially about the early 90s parts change out

The reviews at Bud's are overwhelmingly positive as well. Looks like you got yourself a fine pistol there, worth about $500.

Kraus

01-23-2011, 06:34 PM

One high dollar rig. I dont know enough about all the add ons and upgrades to know why this over a factory colt or a Bushmaster. I need schooling.

$850 for what I posted. Not that high-dollar as the colt listed in the OP.

HonestChieffan

01-23-2011, 06:37 PM

$850 for what I posted. Not that high-dollar as the colt listed in the OP.

Ill go back and re look. I had one over 2 grand

Kraus

01-23-2011, 06:39 PM

Ill go back and re look. I had one over 2 grand

CDNN has them for $850, as well as the colt 6920 for $1100.

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2010-6/index.html

Pants

01-23-2011, 10:39 PM

CDNN has them for $850, as well as the colt 6920 for $1100.

http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2010-6/index.html

Hey, Kraus, do these guys have a physical location I can go visit? I like their prices and selection a lot.

Kraus

01-24-2011, 12:51 AM

They are somewhere down in Texas if I remember correctly. Not sure if they have an actual store.

BigOlChiefsfan

01-24-2011, 02:09 AM

I've bought a few rifles and pistols from CDNN, nice prices, no problems. Don't have any idea if there's a brick & mortar store you could visit in Texas. Nothing would surprise me. If you go to Texas for gun shopping, here's where I used to shop. I'd go in and 'wish' in here on the weekends, it was a few miles from my apt:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/

Grabbed a pretty sweet old shotgun recently. Had a model 11 Remington stolen from me back in '74, have always been watching for another good one to take it's place. These are the old Browning A5, sold with another label, for my purposes. John Browning (PBUH) churned out some of the finest guns, ever, and I've always shot well with this type of gun. Not fast, mind you, but well.
I found one of the model 11's, with some of the prettiest walnut I've seen. Made in 1928 - she needs a repair to the safety for my peace of mind but is in fine shape otherwise. Anyway, getting the old girl makes ME happy. You kids and your kooky music!

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 02:37 AM

Oooooohhh shootin thread and I'm about ready to post up pics of my AR build in a few days. Just need to get the sights in. *mostly* done. Personally I prefer to build up mine if I can baring a few cases.

My lower is build off a spikes billet lower, what I love on it is a ambi-bolt release. I love it, put a new mag in sight down, both hands still on gun trigger finger releases the bolt, thumb off the safety. Like the POF version.

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Picked up a geissele super dynamic trigger, was a little worried about the flat trigger at first but I really like the feel! Pricey but I really like it.

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/medium/344/344901.jpg

Probably going to pick up an FN fiveSeven in a month or so and a 1911 para to build off of. To bad the PRK has it's head up it's ass or I'd just buy a frame....

LiveSteam

01-24-2011, 08:34 AM

Grabbed a pretty sweet old shotgun recently. Had a model 11 Remington stolen from me back in '74,

I had a rem # 11 stolen to. back in 1997. They caught the guy trying to use my credit card. He got 5 years in the big house. but my guns were gone forever,
The # 11 is a close copy of the Browning. Dont ever buy Browning a-5 parts thinking they will fit a Rem # 11 ,they wont. They are different guns to be sure.
My favorite shotgun is the old rem#11 in 16 gauge made around 1920

Radar Chief

01-24-2011, 08:34 AM

I have been told by some pretty knowledgable gun fanatics to stay away from Colt 1911's. They said that they are living on their name instead of quality (just on the 1911).

I love my S&W 1911. Definately pay the extra 70 to get the adjustable sight.

Of the .45’s I’ve shot my Colt 1991A1 was the best right out of the box.
My Dad ended up having to get a competition trigger group for his Springfield just to get a smooth consistent trigger pull.

notorious

01-24-2011, 08:57 AM

Of the .45’s I’ve shot my Colt 1991A1 was the best right out of the box.
My Dad ended up having to get a competition trigger group for his Springfield just to get a smooth consistent trigger pull.

That's cool. I have always thought Colt made great firearms so when I was told that it definately surprised me.

Pants

01-24-2011, 09:13 AM

They are somewhere down in Texas if I remember correctly. Not sure if they have an actual store.

Damn, I thought they were in Springfield for some reason. Oh well, thanks anyway, man.

01-24-2011, 10:33 AM

Here's my WVSP edition M&P 15

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/bufettphan/WV152.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/bufettphan/WV15.jpg

kepp

01-24-2011, 02:26 PM

So what is the difference between the AR15, M4, Colt A2, etc? They all look the same and seem to be .223 caliber.

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 02:46 PM

So what is the difference between the AR15, M4, Colt A2, etc? They all look the same and seem to be .223 caliber.

If they are all milspec then fundamentally 95+% of the parts will be interchangeable. I believe some of the colts have larger pivot and takedown pins which prevent them from being 100% compatible. But most of the AR-15(semi-auto M16 which all of them fall into) can fully swap parts. That's why I have fun building mine rather than buying off the shelf. You get to cherry pick which parts go into the gun. AR-15s in rifles and 1911s in pistols both allow a TON of customizations if you want.

Interestingly enough while the AR-15 platform is almost 100% standard the AR-10 platform is fairly fragmented. Part of the reason I got the AR-15 was all of the support. I'm planning to have multiple uppers, 5.56, 22LR, .410, 5.7x28, and likely a .50 WSSM variant(but you have to reload that).

notorious

01-24-2011, 02:52 PM

and likely a .50 WSSM variant(but you have to reload that).

You are getting the "Vehicle Stopper" upper?

Sweet mother of God! I think I just pitched a tent. LMAO

Pants

01-24-2011, 02:53 PM

You are getting the "Vehicle Stopper" upper?

Sweet mother of God! I think I just pitched a tent. LMAO

LMAO

Yeah, that is freaking awesome.

LiveSteam

01-24-2011, 02:58 PM

What is 50 WSSM ?
When you jump to bigger cal;s like 243, 308,25-05 ,30-06. AR-15 lowers will not work.
You now will need AR-10 lower with an upper in what ever cal you chose.

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:03 PM

You are getting the "Vehicle Stopper" upper?

Sweet mother of God! I think I just pitched a tent. LMAO

LMAO....yes yes I am...why? Because I can... I've actually been a big fan of the WSSM case because it's a great case and cut down it fits right into the AR mag AND if you chop the neck it's exactly a .50 which makes reloading simpler.

It's not out yet currently two groups are working on something similar. The biggest available WSSM wildcat is 358. Delta arms is working on the .50 Hushpuppy.

http://www.deltacompanyarms.com/CURRENT_PROJECTS.html

A group associated with olympic arms is building either a 458 or .50 WSSM variant. The 458 obviously has better bullet selection, but the .50 will be easier to reload(since you just chop the wssm case for easier brass). Plus the .50 is just sexier!:D Too bad 50BMG bullets can't fit in the AR15 mag.

notorious

01-24-2011, 03:06 PM

LMAO....yes yes I am...why? Because I can... I've actually been a big fan of the WSSM case because it's a great case and cut down it fits right into the AR mag AND if you chop the neck it's exactly a .50 which makes reloading simpler.

It's not out yet currently two groups are working on something similar. The biggest available WSSM wildcat is 358. Delta arms is working on the .50 Hushpuppy.

http://www.deltacompanyarms.com/CURRENT_PROJECTS.html

A group associated with olympic arms is building either a 458 or .50 WSSM variant. The 458 obviously has better bullet selection, but the .50 will be easier to reload(since you just chop the wssm case for easier brass). Plus the .50 is just sexier!:D Too bad 50BMG bullets can't fit in the AR15 mag.

I love it.

I just watched a demo on a M-16 .50 Cal upper on the Military channel the other day. Badass.

I have not seen the energy numbers on that particular round yet, but I bet it bring one hell of a whallop.

notorious

01-24-2011, 03:11 PM

YouTube won't allow me to Embed this video, but checkout the link and prepare for satisfaction.

.50 Cal Beowulf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUmBS8Mslc&feature=related

400 Grain. :)

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kepp

01-24-2011, 03:12 PM

If they are all milspec then fundamentally 95+% of the parts will be interchangeable. I believe some of the colts have larger pivot and takedown pins which prevent them from being 100% compatible. But most of the AR-15(semi-auto M16 which all of them fall into) can fully swap parts. That's why I have fun building mine rather than buying off the shelf. You get to cherry pick which parts go into the gun. AR-15s in rifles and 1911s in pistols both allow a TON of customizations if you want.

Interestingly enough while the AR-15 platform is almost 100% standard the AR-10 platform is fairly fragmented. Part of the reason I got the AR-15 was all of the support. I'm planning to have multiple uppers, 5.56, 22LR, .410, 5.7x28, and likely a .50 WSSM variant(but you have to reload that).

I'm pretty sure I now know what my wife feels like when I talk about computers.

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:13 PM

What is 50 WSSM ?
When you jump to bigger cal;s like 243, 308,25-05 ,30-06. AR-15 lowers will not work.
You now will need AR-10 lower with an upper in what ever cal you chose.

Actually the 300 WSSM that olympic sells gets 308 power and velocity out of the AR-15 magazine. Short fat case for greater powder. You lose round capacity but really I don't think you'll need to hit something with a 50 WSSM twice.

the WSSM is the base case that alot of interesting wildcats are fitting in. Actually the 7 WSSM is being used by more and more competition long range shooters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Super_Short_Magnum

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=341&category_id=66&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

http://www.oa2.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9155

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:17 PM

YouTube won't allow me to Embed this video, but checkout the link and prepare for satisfaction.

.50 Cal Beowulf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUmBS8Mslc&feature=related

yea I looked at he 50 beowulf, the 450 bush, the 458 socom. For the wulf it's got really proprietary brass and it's low power. The WSSM case is an officially produced case with good brass availability. All you have to do is buy 7mm WSSM brass and chop it at the neck. Alot cheaper. Bullets are the same at .50 S&W.

Looks like the 50 WSSM variant(whatever they ultimately call it either .50HP or 50 OSSM or something), should outperform all three of those big bore options.

HonestChieffan

01-24-2011, 03:20 PM

I'm pretty sure I now know what my wife feels like when I talk about computers.

He aint even warmed up...the "code" with AR lovers takes a lot of work to crack.

LiveSteam

01-24-2011, 03:22 PM

Its a wildcat based of the SW 500?

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:22 PM

I'm pretty sure I now know what my wife feels like when I talk about computers.

LMAO I'm an engineer/scientist by trade so if its mechanical, given the choice, I prefer to build it rather than buy it. I do a crap ton of homework to try to pick the best value. SInce I picked up the lower I've done about 6 months of homework on the AR-15 platform to decide what I wanted.

notorious

01-24-2011, 03:22 PM

yea I looked at he 50 beowulf, the 450 bush, the 458 socom. For the wulf it's got really proprietary brass and it's low power. The WSSM case is an officially produced case with good brass availability. All you have to do is buy 7mm WSSM brass and chop it at the neck. Alot cheaper. Bullets are the same at .50 S&W.

Looks like the 50 WSSM variant(whatever they ultimately call it either .50HP or 50 OSSM or something), should outperform all three of those big bore options.

I gathered roughly the same from watching the show. Velocity is probably pretty slow and I wouldn't trust it's accuracy when the distance gets stretched.

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:26 PM

Its a wildcat based of the SW 500?

No it's based off the Winchester Super Short Magnum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Super_Short_Magnum

Rifle cartridge based off the Winchester Short Magnum. Allows for quite a bit of powder and has some ballistics advantages and is high pressure.

There are basic advantages inherent to the Short Magnum concept. The idea is that the short, fat powder column gives a more uniform load density and ignition rate and therefore a more consistent burn. This in turn should translate into improved accuracy and potentially moderate recoil due to more efficient use of propellants.

Another advantage is the action size. For example, if we compare the .25 WSSM to the .25-06 Remington, we find that the .25-06 requires a .30-06 length action, commonly called a standard or long action. The .25 WSSM case which is almost a full inch shorter, can make use of an existing short action such as used by the .308 Winchester family of cartridges. Some manufacturers have even created extra short actions to accommodate newer short rounds. The intrinsic accuracy benefits of a short, stiffer action over a long action are well-established principles of rifle design. The resulting rifle is smaller, lighter, more compact, and quicker handling as well.

A 50 WSSM variant would use 50 S&W bullets since no way would 50BMG bullets fit(well unless you only wanted a few grains of powder).

LiveSteam

01-24-2011, 03:35 PM

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:38 PM

Thanks /It is very interesting to say the least. I like wssm 223. my friend hunts with this in a Savage I believe. It is a laser beam.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/images_thumbs/Winchester%20223%20WSSM%2055gr%20Super%20X%20PSP.jpg

Yea I like the cartridge enough I've been very tempted just to pick up a regular WSSM upper. One thing I've read is that stock 25 WSSM can be a bit too long for the AR-15 magazine.

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:39 PM

BTW decent resource for people if they want to see an AR-15 built up from scratch. THe video is a bit small but still useful.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11004/learn/

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 03:46 PM

And....in the ultimate display of unnecessary excessiveness...IF they ever catch up on back order and make these generally in stock I'm so going to buy one.....Was supposed to be this month but ares is the king of unfulfilled promises.

http://www.aresdefense.com/images/shrike-brochurecenter.jpg

:D I have some shooting friends out here but for the rest it's harder to explain. I usually resort to...well you can take the boy out of kansas, but you can't take the kansas out of the boy.

Frazod

01-24-2011, 03:50 PM

You are getting the "Vehicle Stopper" upper?

Sweet mother of God! I think I just pitched a tent. LMAO

This made me think of Vermin in Johnny Dangerously:

Danny Vermin (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/name/nm0685472/): I got something to stop him.
Dutch (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/name/nm0418351/): They made it for him special. It's an eighty-eight Magnum.
Danny Vermin (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/name/nm0685472/): It shoots through schools.

kepp

01-24-2011, 04:53 PM

What about something like this: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF054&gid=FNG006&mid=FNM0152

They also have the 17S which is a .308 model. Is it bad that I'm judging the guns by how they are in Call of Duty?

CrazyPhuD

01-24-2011, 04:55 PM

BTW current pics of the 22LR build...not quite done but soon. Pardon the beat up nature of the mag...I had to basically build a new mag for the 22LR since the stock mags looked like crap. Nice thing about the new mag is the last round bolt hold open feature is nice and crisp now.

LiveSteam

01-24-2011, 06:00 PM

If the clouds stay gone ??????????????????????????????????????
Me
My Remington Mohawk 600 & some Fiocchi 40 grn v-max are going to go hunt some dogs after 10 pm tonight

01-24-2011, 07:12 PM

If the clouds stay gone ??????????????????????????????????????
Me
My Remington Mohawk 600 & some Fiocchi 40 grn v-max are going to go hunt some dogs after 10 pm tonight

:sulk:Jealous.

Kraus

01-24-2011, 07:29 PM

googlegoogle

01-24-2011, 07:45 PM

notorious

01-24-2011, 08:08 PM

I would love to have the civilian SCAR, if it wasn't $2,000+

OMG

This.

LiveSteam

01-25-2011, 11:57 PM

A tip for the mini 14 owners.
I thought I would do a post showing the 1911 buffer installation. It's the same for any buffer. I just use the 1911 because they are cheap (), they fit, they work, and come in 6-packs

The buffer goes on the recoil spring at the recoil spring/guide rod/receiver junction. You just grab the recoil spring & guide rod as one unit, pull it out of the buffer and buffer cross pin assembly and slip the 1911 buffer on the spring/guide rod over it, with the curved side toward the barrel. Pay special attention to the Tang on the guide rod when you pull it out of the buffer assembly and reinstall. The tang rests on the cross pin and there is only one position that will allow the op rod to cycle correctly. The Tang of the guide rod should always be facing to the top of the mini or the hand guard whichever is easiest to remember. I just remember TT, for Tang Top. There is no tang on the older standard mini 14’s, the guide rod just fits into a recess. The tang is only found on the newer minis with the built in scope mounts (tactical) and ranch mini’s, old & new. No need to completely remove the recoil spring and guide rod, just pull it back an inch or two to allow enough space to slip the buffer on.
I'm sold on the buffers, they absorb the impact of the op rod into the receiver and prevent metal to metal contact. One buffer should last 500-1000 rounds, they usually come in packs of 6, so one pack should last a long time. A pack usually costs anywhere form $6 to $8 dollars. I use the Wilson brand, there are other brands with different reputations for durability and softness. Some people use them on the front over the gas pipe in the gas block to absorb the front slam of the op rod into the gas block. I always thought they would melt, but after giving one away and having a couple of hundred rounds go through that mini I could see no signs of it melting. But one thing for sure it was taking a lot of impact from the op rod. I plan to try one there in the future. But as I am now working on trying different size gas bushings I am looking to start from a stock position for the gas system and ejection. A buffer in the front will hold the op rod back slightly from seating onto the gas block pipe. It may not matter, but for the gas bushing testing I am doing I don't want to add another variable to the mix right now.
I have not heard of any negative reports from people using the 1911 buffers at the back, but I have heard of reports of some of the commercial mini buffers being to thick and not allowing the bolt to go back far enough to cycle the rounds. In that case people are either shaving the buffer down or cutting them in two making 2 buffers out of 1.
http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/attachments/ruger-mini-14-talk/15875d1241401266t-1911-buffer-install-w-pics-1911-web-jpg
For those that dont no what they are looking at. it is the Blue rubber bushing. This trick really helps with the beating a scope takes on a Mini

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=241631

Another very good cheap upgrade is a strut. It will cut MOA by 1/2 if not more. Pluss your mini will look more like a M-14.http://www.accu-strut.com/pages/application%20guide.htm

& last but not least. this probably is the best bang for your buck IMO when trying to improve barrel accuracy on older Mini & Ranch rifles.
http://www.cryopro.com/gun.html

LiveSteam

01-28-2011, 04:34 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/TurboRegency03/Guns/90c9b4ad.jpg

Pants

01-28-2011, 05:07 PM

notorious

01-28-2011, 05:20 PM

Aight, players, is there a forum somewhere where I can go ask an expert or two to show me the best gun possible on a $1500 budget for the purpose of having fun at the range and being ready for the collapse of society? :D

AR-15 for around $1100 (or less)

or

Saiga .308 for around $400

Must have for home defense:

Remington 870 Express Synthtic 7 Round

http://www.remington.com/~/media/Images/Firearms/Shotguns/Model-870/Model-870-Express-Synthetic-7-Round/870exp7rnd-prod.ashx

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-synthetic-7-round.aspx

Just purchased a brand new one for $300. :)

UTChief

01-28-2011, 06:38 PM

[QUOTE=HonestChieffan;7376555]Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.

Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it.

I carry a Glock 29 and love it

LiveSteam

01-28-2011, 07:51 PM

+ 1 on a good AR-15. $750 on up
& this or better,for when the Zombies take away Ammo or throw a 100% tax on it.
http://compare.ebay.com/like/200565374585?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&rvr_id=204703082684&crlp=1_263602_309572&UA=WVF%3F&GUID=3475d72d1290a02652f62176ffd8981e&itemid=200565374585&ff4=263602_309572

Hog's Gone Fishin

01-28-2011, 08:20 PM

If the clouds stay gone ??????????????????????????????????????
Me
My Remington Mohawk 600 & some Fiocchi 40 grn v-max are going to go hunt some dogs after 10 pm tonight

Good luck as prairie dogs go underground about an hour before sundown.

LiveSteam

01-28-2011, 08:30 PM

Good luck as prairie dogs go underground about an hour before sundown.

Coyotes

Frazod

01-29-2011, 02:47 PM

LiveSteam

01-29-2011, 09:14 PM

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Photography/Cattle-Branding-1/pdog2B/424334814_TNK9h-L.jpg

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Photography/Cattle-Branding-1/pdog2C/424334822_z6fPs-L.jpg

http://brainonsigs.smugmug.com/Photography/Cattle-Branding-1/pdog3B/424334831_LpuJs-L.jpg

Frazod

01-29-2011, 09:26 PM

Kraus

01-29-2011, 10:49 PM

Aight, players, is there a forum somewhere where I can go ask an expert or two to show me the best gun possible on a $1500 budget for the purpose of having fun at the range and being ready for the collapse of society? :D

ar15.com

Got some range time in:

Buddy's AR15 .223 w/ ACOG:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs044.snc6/167403_475170877685_665207685_6051201_5114345_n.jpg

My PTR91KF in .308:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs049.snc6/167991_475171192685_665207685_6051208_4833140_n.jpg

Pants

01-30-2011, 01:21 PM

ar15.com

Got some range time in:

Buddy's AR15 .223 w/ ACOG:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs044.snc6/167403_475170877685_665207685_6051201_5114345_n.jpg

My PTR91KF in .308:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs049.snc6/167991_475171192685_665207685_6051208_4833140_n.jpg

That looks sweet, man. I think I'm just going to call up the place you linked and see how much they're selling their Sig 556's for and if it's $1300 or less, I'll buy the Sig, it it's more, I'll just go ahead and buy the Colt for $1100. I like how it comes with the quad rail too. I'm just not sure how hard it will be to change the top so I can mount some optics because it'll come with the handle. Even, then, a red dot might fail when you most need it, but the gunsights will always be there.

Kraus

01-30-2011, 01:23 PM

That looks sweet, man. I think I'm just going to call up the place you linked and see how much they're selling their Sig 556's for and if it's $1300 or less, I'll buy the Sig, it it's more, I'll just go ahead and buy the Colt for $1100. I like how it comes with the quad rail too. I'm just not sure how hard it will be to change the top so I can mount some optics because it'll come with the handle. Even, then, a red dot might fail when you most need it, but the gunsights will always be there.

I think CDNN still has a deal where if you buy a Sig 556 you get a Sig 522 for free.

Pants

01-30-2011, 01:25 PM

I think CDNN still has a deal where if you buy a Sig 556 you get a Sig 522 for free.

Holy shit, that would be sick. Now I'm looking at Daniel Defense too and they have some pretty nice rifles. Too bad most of them are out of stock.

TrebMaxx

01-30-2011, 01:45 PM

Every time we go to the Black Hills or anywhere else with prairie dogs, we always have to stop, and I have to endure a ten minute litany of how fucking cute they are.

So I'm in trouble if my wife sees that post.

Especially if I can't stop myself from chuckling. :evil:

I go through the same thing when we travel around there. But I did call the wife in to look at the picture. She found it very disturbing and even more disturbing to her was that I was laughing at it.

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 05:55 PM

Because this always makes me laugh.

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Tribesman

01-31-2011, 06:01 PM

Just bought a S&W Sigma .40 at Academy for $300. Not a bad price IMO, but wow what a heavy trigger!

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 06:04 PM

Just bought a S&W Sigma .40 at Academy for $300. Not a bad price IMO, but wow what a heavy trigger!

I think that's what always made me fall in love with the 1911's when I first shot them. I just love the light SA triggers. My rifle trigger is very 1911ish.

This should be one of the next ones I pick up if I can jump through the right hoops.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_large/SLX1445Sphoto.jpg

Tribesman

01-31-2011, 06:09 PM

I think that's what always made me fall in love with the 1911's when I first shot them. I just love the light SA triggers. My rifle trigger is very 1911ish.
Funny you say that cause at the range yesterday, I shot my buddy's 1911 Springfield .45. LOVED the way it felt but damn that trigger was light, not to mention the kick!

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 06:13 PM

Funny you say that cause at the range yesterday, I shot my buddy's 1911 Springfield .45. LOVED the way it felt but damn that trigger was light, not to mention the kick!

LOL yes the 45 is not soft on the kick...then again I'm a bit crazy because I plan to put 45 super springs in and have a 10mm conversion. What can I say I like punishment! :D

Tribesman

01-31-2011, 06:20 PM

LOL yes the 45 is not soft on the kick...then again I'm a bit crazy because I plan to put 45 super springs in and have a 10mm conversion. What can I say I like punishment! :D
Heh, you go. :thumb:

Actually I bought this one knowing that there was a mod available to make the trigger pull lighter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhO5-SvbDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesiGtC8y1g

We'll see. I'm gonna wait a bit though before performing this (do so more research, make sure no current issues with it stock, etc.).

Tribesman

01-31-2011, 06:21 PM

Sales guy claims that they've NEVER returned one to the mfr. Hopefully that wasn't BS.

UTChief

01-31-2011, 06:26 PM

LOL yes the 45 is not soft on the kick...then again I'm a bit crazy because I plan to put 45 super springs in and have a 10mm conversion. What can I say I like punishment! :D

I carry a glock 29 that is a 10mm and I love it.

notorious

01-31-2011, 06:44 PM

Prarie Dog Photos

JFC

LiveSteam

01-31-2011, 07:37 PM

Prarie Dog Photos

JFC

Maybe you like these better :shrug:

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teedubya

01-31-2011, 08:04 PM

Everything is fine, people... go back to sleep.

LMAO

Gracie Dean

01-31-2011, 08:12 PM

I have a Charter Pink Lady 38

Have been to the range with it about 5 times. Going to get my CC when I get my confidence in shooting up. I can hit the target, but not like I want to do yet

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 09:14 PM

Ok time for some gun hotness....

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Frazod

01-31-2011, 09:16 PM

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 09:18 PM

I HAVE GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE! :drool:

The gun or the girl....personally I'd take both...the girl just needs to learn to handle to recoil! :D

Frazod

01-31-2011, 09:21 PM

The gun or the girl....personally I'd take both...the girl just needs to learn to handle to recoil! :D

There is no wrong answer. :D

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 09:26 PM

There is no wrong answer. :D

true but some may be more right than others! ;)

Actually the saiga-12 is pretty easy to get in most states I've thought about getting one, but I'm not quite enough of a fan yet. Just need to get an SBS stamp to get that gun(with the short barrel)

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 09:27 PM

More shotgun porn I'd be all over it except I'm kinda waiting to see if they'll bring a semi version out.

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Frazod

01-31-2011, 09:33 PM

LiveSteam

01-31-2011, 09:34 PM

Frazod

01-31-2011, 09:41 PM

Holy shit! There's $320 well spent.

LiveSteam

01-31-2011, 09:43 PM

Holy shit! There's $320 well spent.

Mall Zombie protection
This works well in the Mini 14. cheap wolf ammo works well.As for the staple, I used a 7/8th staple for a pazz-low air gun. & NO! that is not me in the vid.
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CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 09:43 PM

I think I will be getting one of these
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cool...BUT be aware the BATF can and does change it's mind at any time. SO it could go from legal to illegal very quickly. It's nice that there are no mechanical bits, so it's less likely too but still.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/03/05/akins-accelerator-inventor-sues-united-states/

case where the BATF changed their mind. But there were mechanical changes for this device.

Frazod

01-31-2011, 09:52 PM

cool...BUT be aware the BATF can and does change it's mind at any time. SO it could go from legal to illegal very quickly. It's nice that there are no mechanical bits, so it's less likely too but still.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/03/05/akins-accelerator-inventor-sues-united-states/

case where the BATF changed their mind. But there were mechanical changes for this device.

The other problem would be having to explain it when every cop within ear shot hears it and assumes you've got an illegal machine gun. That would probably get old pretty fast.

Seems right for the zombie apocalypse or the absolute middle of nowhere, but probably not much else.

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 09:59 PM

The other problem would be having to explain it when every cop within ear shot hears it and assumes you've got an illegal machine gun. That would probably get old pretty fast.

Seems right for the zombie apocalypse or the absolute middle of nowhere, but probably not much else.

yea and frankly I'd rather not risk the felony that would remove my ability to have guns at all for a while. I'd just pay the piper for a real FA. One day I will own a 1928 and a RDIAS.

HonestChieffan

01-31-2011, 09:59 PM

Im going to look into this suppressor thing. Not sure what is involved in getting the right permit in Mo but Im thinking I'll be wanting one soon.

LiveSteam

01-31-2011, 10:14 PM

I wouldn't buy it either. just seen it on another gun site today. thought it was well engineered. My next purchase will be another Mohawk 600 .

Frazod

01-31-2011, 10:27 PM

I think this will be my next purchase - I'm going to dump my Beretta mini-cougar and pick up one of these.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_50_495/products_id/47925

RedNFeisty

01-31-2011, 10:35 PM

My son just purchased an M16 Airsoft Rifle, from the 16-A Welll Airpistol Series. It is an all plastic gun. My issue is I can't figure out how to load the magazine, it is a spring. (leave out the girl jokes...lol) I have spent an hour looking on line and have become frustrated with the process.

I would greatly appreciate if someone could help me out. My son is driving me nuts whining about me not be able to figure it out, also. Save a kid and please help!!! :D

Frazod

01-31-2011, 10:38 PM

Sorry, dear. I can break down my Ruger in about seven seconds, but I'm afraid Airsoft rifles are beyond my area of expertise. :D

rockymtnchief

01-31-2011, 10:46 PM

I think this will be my next purchase - I'm going to dump my Beretta mini-cougar and pick up one of these.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_50_495/products_id/47925

I haven't shot that model, but do own the PT-745 for my CCW. I'd suggest finding one to test fire, if you can.

I've always carried 1911's and switching to the 745 took some getting used to. It shoots fine, but the trigger feels mushy. The first couple times I shot it I thought I might have left the safety on. But it wasn't. It needs some work to get to my liking.

Good luck.

Frazod

01-31-2011, 10:49 PM

I haven't shot that model, but do own the PT-745 for my CCW. I'd suggest finding one to test fire, if you can.

I've always carried 1911's and switching to the 745 took some getting used to. It shoots fine, but the trigger feels mushy. The first couple times I shot it I thought I might have left the safety on. But it wasn't. It needs some work to get to my liking.

Good luck.

I won't be doing this soon - I just picked up the Ruger last week. I've got a lot of time to look around and do some more research. But I like the idea that it's double/single, has the pit rail and I really like the 12 round capacity - for .45, that's impressive.

RedNFeisty

01-31-2011, 10:58 PM

Sorry, dear. I can break down my Ruger in about seven seconds, but I'm afraid Airsoft rifles are beyond my area of expertise. :D

Well damn, what use are you to me then?? :D

I know this doesn't exactly fit in this thread, but I didn't want to start a thread for it.

rockymtnchief

01-31-2011, 10:59 PM

I won't be doing this soon - I just picked up the Ruger last week. I've got a lot of time to look around and do some more research. But I like the idea that it's double/single, has the pit rail and I really like the 12 round capacity - for .45, that's impressive.

I prefer double/single myself. And 12 rounds is impressive for a .45.

I've had good luck with a couple different Taurus firearms, but the 745 will need some tweaking for me to REALLY like it. But for the money I won't bitch.

CrazyPhuD

01-31-2011, 11:09 PM

ok last gun porn of the night....because some guns are bigger than others.

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Frazod

01-31-2011, 11:21 PM

I prefer double/single myself. And 12 rounds is impressive for a .45.

I've had good luck with a couple different Taurus firearms, but the 745 will need some tweaking for me to REALLY like it. But for the money I won't bitch.

I've got a little Taurus .38 that I've had for a long time and really like. I know their pistols weren't always the best, but apparently they've improved a great deal.

rockymtnchief

01-31-2011, 11:28 PM

rockymtnchief

01-31-2011, 11:35 PM

I've got a little Taurus .38 that I've had for a long time and really like. I know their pistols weren't always the best, but apparently they've improved a great deal.

I never owned one until a couple years ago. I got a steal on a PT-92 and shot the hell out of it. Never had a single FTF or FTE. Since then I've given them a little more business.

They aren't going to win you any competitions, but they seem to be reliable.

HonestChieffan

02-02-2011, 09:19 AM

Well damn, what use are you to me then?? :D

I know this doesn't exactly fit in this thread, but I didn't want to start a thread for it.

Good on ya for getting it bought. Toy Guns may soon be banned.....crazy talk?....nooooo...read on...

http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/02/01/squirt_gun_cont.html

Otter

02-02-2011, 09:28 AM

Anyone ever shoot a Steyr Scout Rifle? I've always wanted to but no one I know owns one and they run about $2000 a pop so it's not exactly cash I'm willing to drop for something that's going to sit in the gun cabinet 99% of the year.

Just curious if they lived up to their reputation.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Scout-1-.gif

HonestChieffan

02-02-2011, 09:39 AM

Pants

02-02-2011, 09:43 AM

Pants

02-02-2011, 09:44 AM

Austrians make good stuff

FYP

Otter

02-02-2011, 09:44 AM

Best sniper rife in Counter-Strike. :D

I used to no-scope headhsot with that beast like a mother****er.

Hehe, I was waiting for that. :D

HonestChieffan

02-04-2011, 08:22 AM

Pretty big...Not sure Id even want to carry to the range but interesting anyway:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/uk/tb_gun-lg-1-de.jpg

In the 1971 movie "Dirty Harry," actor Clint Eastwood introduced the world to the double-action Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44-cal. Magnum revolver—"the most powerful handgun in the world."

It was a crown S&W wore proudly, albeit briefly.

The rising popularity of handgun hunting for big game (spurred largely by the .44 Magnum itself) prompted the introduction of newer and significantly more powerful revolver cartridges. Many powerful enough that they had to be chambered in single-action handguns because existing double-action designs could not contain the recoil forces and pressures they produced.

Since S&W does not make single-action revolvers, and no double-action frame at its disposal could handle the new loads, S&W was effectively dethroned.

At the 2003 Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show, the manufacturer regained its crown. And, most significantly, it did it by introducing a new massive double-action revolver that is chambered for an equally new .50-cal. cartridge.

The S&W X-frame Model 500 is a brawny handgun designed to master the most rigorous hunting fields in the world. It is not a revolver one would, or likely could, tuck into a waistband. In fact, to call it massive is an understatement.

With its 8-3/8-in. barrel, the overall length of the Model 500 is 15 in. and the empty weight is 4.5 pounds. The cylinder alone is almost 2 in. in diameter and approaches 2.25 in. in length. Thumb the cylinder open and five charge holes await. Each is 1/2 in. in diameter, and the .50-cal. cartridges they hold are almost 2 in. long. Load five of them and the total weight of the handgun climbs to 5 pounds.

You don't just casually pick up a Model 500. You have to lift it.

Fire even one of those big cartridges and you'll appreciate why the weight and mass are there.

When the .44 Magnum laid claim to being the most powerful handgun in the world, its standard load produced about 900 ft.-lb. of muzzle energy. Several new loads have since eclipsed that, but the handgun most commonly used by big game hunters is the .454 Casull, which will generate about 1900 ft.-lb.

The 500 S&W Magnum will produce almost 2600 ft.-lb. with its heaviest load, and more powerful loads may well be on the way.

If Dirty Harry felt that the .44 Magnum would make his day, the new 500 S&W Magnum would certainly make his decade. It is the largest double-action revolver available, and there is no production revolver in the world—single or double action—capable of matching, or even approaching, the level of power it produces.

Harnessing that power in a double-action revolver, however, required some departures from traditional designs.
Rethinking Double-Action Design
No frame in the S&W line was capable of containing the 500 Magnum, so the new X-frame was designed specifically for the 500's .50-cal. cartridge. It is massive. But, just making a bigger double-action revolver was not the solution. A major concern was the barrel-to-frame connection. This is traditionally done by simply screwing the barrel into the front of the frame, but this design places all firing stress at that one point. To increase strength throughout the 500's barrel assembly, S&W opted for a composite barrel/shroud system.

A stainless steel barrel tube is torqued into the frame to form a solid rear attachment point. A separate, heavy stainless steel shroud is then slipped over the barrel and braced against the forward portion of the frame. The muzzle end of the barrel bears against the forward end of the shroud, and a separate compensator/muzzle brake is then rotated into place under torque at the muzzle end of the shroud.

This arrangement compresses the shroud and places the barrel tube under tension for its entire length. In effect, the barrel and shroud act as linear springs to distribute the stress of firing across the entire barrel/shroud component instead of focusing it all at the single junction of the barrel and frame.

Maintaining precise cylinder alignment was another concern. Traditional designs utilize a front- and rear-cylinder lockup, with the forward end of the ejector rod bearing against a ball-detent fixture on the barrel to provide the front lockup. Given the power of the 500 Magnum, the potential for flex in the ejector rod had to be addressed. The solution was to dispense with that design and install a massive ball-detent lock on the frame itself, directly below the barrel forcing cone. This mates with the yoke to provide a solid front lockup directly at the front of the cylinder. Combined with the traditional rear lockup, this is the strongest cylinder alignment design possible.

While the 500 S&W Magnum answers the question of "where's the beef?" the company wisely decided to incorporate the same grip dimensions found on its much smaller K-frame handguns. Experienced handgunners regard this as one of the best handgun grips ever made.

Thus, the 500 Magnum is a big revolver that's strong where it needs to be, but is comfortable to handle. That was borne out during firing tests.

SPECIFICATIONS: 500 S&W Magnum

Caliber: .500 S&W Magnum
Barrel: 8-3/8 in.
Capacity: 5 rounds
Front Sight: Interchangeable black blade
Rear Sight: Micrometer click-adjustable black blade
Grips: Hogue rubber, energy absorbing
Weight (empty) : 72.5 ounces
Material: Stainless steel
Finish: Satin stainless
Overall length: 15 in.
Other features: Internal key lock and recoil muzzle compensator
MSRP: $987

More at the link: http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/recreation/1277336?click=pop_more

Rooster

02-04-2011, 08:37 AM

After yesterdays OC hire, I probably shouldn't talk about guns. :evil:

Radar Chief

02-04-2011, 08:49 AM

I think this will be my next purchase - I'm going to dump my Beretta mini-cougar and pick up one of these.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_50_495/products_id/47925

Nice. I’d think 12 rounds of .45 ACP would make for a fat grip, which could be a good thing. I’ve always thought my Colt with the single stack mag felt a bit thin in my hand.
I also think you’ll like the .45 ACP round. There’s a reason the cops and military are still using it 100 years down the road.

LiveSteam

02-04-2011, 09:17 AM

I love my 1911. Its not a high dollar hand gun. Its a GI mil spec made in the Philippines.
Same as a Rock Island. $375.00 NIB out the door at Scheels. I could not be happier

Frazod

02-04-2011, 09:27 AM

Nice. I’d think 12 rounds of .45 ACP would make for a fat grip, which could be a good thing. I’ve always thought my Colt with the single stack mag felt a bit thin in my hand.
I also think you’ll like the .45 ACP round. There’s a reason the cops and military are still using it 100 years down the road.

I have a .45, I'm just don't really care for it - Beretta mini cougar with a short grip - a have an extended 8 round magazine for it, but I've pinched my hand loading it a couple times too often. And the 6 round magazine that came with sucks, and the pistol sucks with the short grip. I also want something with a rail.

I traded my Glock 26 for it about a year ago, and I may be able to get that back since the guy I traded with is one of my best friends and has several guns and doesn't seem to care. I probably got a bit hosed on that deal anyway. If I get the Glock back, I can probably sell it to the dealer and get most of the price of the Taurus in trade.

MOhillbilly

02-04-2011, 09:35 AM

Still have the same 12 i had 15 years ago. It still goes BOOM!

edit- more of a BUMP!

kepp

02-04-2011, 09:36 AM

LiveSteam

02-04-2011, 09:42 AM

And I bet right after that the booger turned around and knifed you and lowered your KDR, huh?
Its how I make cat fish bate.
& WTH does KDR stand for?

MOhillbilly

02-04-2011, 09:46 AM

i clipped a blackbird off the sleeping porch with a 762 at about 10 paces. Damn near turned its feathers to dust.

kepp

02-04-2011, 09:57 AM

Its how I make cat fish bate.
& WTH does KDR stand for?

Sorry, just a little Call of Duty humor - "kill/death ratio"

Radar Chief

02-04-2011, 10:03 AM

I have a .45, I'm just don't really care for it - Beretta mini cougar with a short grip - a have an extended 8 round magazine for it, but I've pinched my hand loading it a couple times too often. And the 6 round magazine that came with sucks, and the pistol sucks with the short grip.

I love my Colt, and I’m really in love with the .45 ACP round, perfect self defense round IMO.
I will admit though, I was watching a on Outdoor Channel and saw a guy pull off a 100 yard shot with a 9mm, looked similar to a Ruger P90. That’s something that a .45 ACP just flat won’t do. In fact once past about 50 yards you might as well pull the bullets out of the magazine and throw them, you’ll get them just about as far, but up close few handguns can surpass its knockdown power.

I also want something with a rail.

Looking to go tactical?
If you just want a laser site check out Crimson Trace. Nice little laser built right into the grips so you don’t need a special holster to carry it.

Frazod

02-04-2011, 10:24 AM

I've already got a nice Veridian light/green laser for my Ruger (picture's in post 145). I need to sight that in at the range tomorrow. Not sure if I'd pick up a second one for a new .45 or just switch the laser between pistols, but I'd like to have the option.

HonestChieffan

02-04-2011, 10:27 AM

Its how I make cat fish bate.
& WTH does KDR stand for?

You dont watch cat fish bate do you? Thats sick as hell.

Radar Chief

02-04-2011, 10:29 AM

LiveSteam

02-04-2011, 10:35 AM

You dont watch cat fish bate do you? Thats sick as hell.

you let the guts sit there all day in the sun, Then pick it up & go cat fishing.

MOhillbilly

02-04-2011, 10:44 AM

you let the guts sit there all day in the sun, Then pick it up & go cat fishing.

truth.

roadkill.:thumb:

02-04-2011, 01:59 PM

Check out this beast....

http://www.realguns.com/articles/275.htm
http://www.realguns.com/images/newprodinprocessLG.jpg

Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader

New for 2011 - A RealGuns' Exclusive

By Joe D'Alessandro
Editor
| RealGuns.Com

*

With Taurus, Magnum Research and Bond Arms working hard to keep up with rapidly growing concealed carry .410 shotshell revolver demand, it was only a matter of time before market savvy Smith & Weston weighed in with a signature product for 1911 type autoloader fans.

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Dubbed "Double Trouble" this unique autoloader holds eight rounds .45 Colt or 2½" or 3" .410 gauge, shot or slug ammo. The standard DT is supplied with smooth bore barrels and five interchangeable chokes. The DT may also be ordered with a rifled, or a smooth bore - rifled combination barrels.

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Manufacturer
Smith & Weston
Model
1911 DTA
Country of Origin
Grand Fenwick
Type Action
1911 Single Action
Frame & Slide
Alloy
Steel
Finish
Matte Blue - Walnut Grips
Caliber
.45 Colt - 410 Shotshell
Capacity
8+2
Barrel Length
5"
Twist
1:51
Weight
116.2 oz
Overall Length
12"
Overall Height
10"
Fixed Sights
Three Dot -
Tritium
Trigger Pull
3 lbs 16.4 oz
MSRP
$2699
Discount Retail
$1985

Included Accessories: Hard Case, 2
8 shot

magazines,
gun lock, manual, and duck call
SDF® & PAFCDS®

When asked about applications for this new burst of fire power, Warren Whippet, S&W's VP of Sales and Markup said, "We see this as a tactical weapon for those situations where
you want to lay down some serious fire, then get the hell out of there. Sort of like carpet bombing with a handgun, but without the turbine engine noise, flight suits or a large carbon foot print. The DT is a very green weapons system. Yes, very green indeed". The DT is the first member of a family of products to be built on S&W's new large Y series
autoloader frame. When asked about the "Y" designation, Patrician Pedelunker, S&W's VP of Product Names and Employee Parking Space Assignments told us, "We were eighteen hours into a marathon frame naming session. Several people had fallen asleep, one guy confessed to stealing Post-Its and we discovered a recent hire to the marketing department could speak only French...which probably explains why she kept blurting out "Où sont les toilettes?". We finally elected to name the frame based on the question everyone asked the moment they saw the prototype".

The Double Trouble® design incorporates Simultaneous Double* Fire® capability. According to G. Gas Rhonda, S&W's Director of Advanced Gas Port Logistical Engineering, "The selective single trigger can be set to fire both barrels or, alternatively, either top of bottom, or bottom and top barrels individually. With chambers loaded, hammers are positioned cocked and carried locked. In speaking with S&W personnel, there was the hint of a decocker version of the DT being released in the very near future. A Passive Aggressive Fired Cartridge Detection System® took a little getting use to as it doesn't display any obvious signs of status or condition. The system will eject a fired cartridge, or a misfiring cartridge, however, it also can silently and arbitrarily undermine the gun's cartridge extraction system and leave the cartridge in place... or pack up and take the kids and move in with its mother while the DT is at work... trying to make a living for its family. The important thing is that all of the gun's systems have learned to get along harmoniously... for the
sake of the chil...parts. Preproduction, but still pretty slick...We thought the dual ejection port was a stroke of genius. When asked about this feature,*
C. Gas Rhonda, Smith and Weston's VP of Gas Logistics Management said, "We fired 100 rounds with the first prototype and noticed ejection of the lower barrel caused an accelerated unlock which left an impression on some of our testers... or as is technically referred to, an unanticipated and joyless ophryonic metallurgical intersection. We were further concerned that, and I apologize for the technical jargon, the original system would lead to the whole gun explodacatin'. We received lots of double takes at the range during our test firing session. In some ways the Double Trouble is very much a traditional 1911, in others, not so much. The three comments heard the most were, "Why the heck does it have two hammers?", "Why the heck does it have two ports?" and "Are you guys almost finished? We've been waiting for a bench for four hours?" We shot the Double Trouble with fixed sights, adjustable sights, laser sights, a scope and absolutely none of the systems resulted in sore eyes. Shooting 500 grain gas checked cast bullets, .45 Colt accuracy was
exceptional with groups consistently under an inch at three hundred yards. Fifty yard yammer jammers were easy to hit but swinging bobcats at one hundred yards suggested just a touch of dominant eye cross parallax ventilation. Moving to the skeet range and 3" ¾ oz loads, flying vertical birdies were a snap, oscillating rollers were a challenge... which is almost always the case, but spinning flams is where the DT really shined where we were able to shoot a perfect 106¼. Trap shooting, however, had us hoping there was a pump action DT in S&W's future as Cheney shots are near impossible with an autoloader. All and all, we burned through 122,000 rounds of 410 gauge bird shot, slugs, 00 buck and hot loaded .45 Colt ammo. There was no hint of failure or hesitation and the gun maintained a high level of performance throughout. I only wish the gun had been supplied with an extra magazine as reloading became somewhat tedious. The DT magazine, show next to a conventional .45 ACP, reflects the proportions of the gun. Unable to locate an appropriate holster for the hunting segment of this evaluation we found that a BABYBJÖRN, and a little duct tape, worked perfectly with no signs of chafing. With modified chokes in place, the DT was fierce for use on grouse and Grand Banks Caiman. With full chokes in place, Canadian geese were easily within reach. Switching over to .45 Colt and rifled barrels, we were able to drop red tail, black tail, white tail, and high tailed deer competently.* Next month we are scheduled to carry the DT to Namibia where we will be hunting loxodonta africana, syncerus caffer, delphinus, and assorted peromyscus. Great sport and we'll report!
Preliminary conclusions...We believe the Double Trouble® is spiffy, jiffy perhaps even nifty. A little larger than a full size 1911, the potential it brings more than makes up for its size.
We believe the time has come for a large frame autoloading shot pistol. If it makes sense to carry a two pound six inch long derringer or a five pound foot long revolver for personal protection, who could argue with the need for an autoloader version of the same. The DT delivers greater capacity, rapid fire and reload capability and a presence that shouts, "Don't look down there, look over here".
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Radar Chief

02-04-2011, 03:00 PM

Check out this beast....

http://www.realguns.com/articles/275.htm
http://www.realguns.com/images/newprodinprocessLG.jpg

Smith & Weston's .410 Double Trouble Autoloader
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:spock:ROFL

HonestChieffan

02-04-2011, 03:14 PM

Weston.....funny stuff

notorious

02-04-2011, 03:18 PM

I might lean towards the Judge if I had to choose. :D

LiveSteam

02-04-2011, 03:53 PM

02-04-2011, 08:40 PM

Yeah there's no way I could even hold that S&W 410 Auto. I have relatively small hands and a 45 double stack is too big let alone that bohemoth.

notorious

02-04-2011, 08:50 PM

http://cz-usa.com/assets/product-images/334/main334_png_637x200_q85.png

Im really leaning towards this CZ. They make a flush 3 round box mag for it. I love the wood.

http://cz-usa.com/assets/user-submitted/File0001zzz_jpg_240x200_upscale_q85.png

300 yard target

That is a unique Walnut Stock. It has a cream grain to it that reminds me of Bellawood Walnut Hardwood floors.

Beautiful.

Frazod

02-04-2011, 08:51 PM

Yeah there's no way I could even hold that S&W 410 Auto. I have relatively small hands and a 45 double stack is too big let alone that bohemoth.

Who the hell could - Andre the Giant? Jaws from the 007 movies? Good God. That thing is so ridiculous looking at first I thought it was a joke picture.

notorious

02-04-2011, 08:53 PM

Who the hell could - Andre the Giant? Jaws from the 007 movies? Good God. That thing is so ridiculous looking at first I thought it was a joke picture.

It is a joke.....right?

Frazod

02-04-2011, 08:56 PM

It is a joke.....right?

Looks like a real link to me.

notorious

02-04-2011, 09:01 PM

"We believe the Double Trouble® is spiffy, jiffy perhaps even nifty. A little larger than a full size 1911, the potential it brings more than makes up for its size."

A little larger then a full size 1911......... :D

HonestChieffan

02-04-2011, 09:52 PM

Looks like a real link to me.

major spoof

trndobrd

02-04-2011, 10:26 PM

Frazod

02-04-2011, 10:29 PM

I look forward to hearing your feedback on the Veridian. They seem pretty slick.

I plan on going to the range tomorrow. Should be fun. :bang:

58-4ever

02-05-2011, 06:35 PM

I'm looking for a gun that is fun to shoot at the range and offers good home protection.

I was thinking about purchasing this one:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/706397877309.html

The only down side I see is the extra safety on the grip. It just seems unnecessary. Thoughts?

Dunit35

02-05-2011, 06:36 PM

Frazod

02-05-2011, 06:53 PM

I plan on going to the range tomorrow. Should be fun. :bang:

Fun day at the range. The Veridian is awesome - pretty straight forward - point and shoot. Hole goes where the green dot is.

But I must say, I LOVE my new Ruger. Love it. Ran a couple of hundred rounds through it this afternoon. Very accurate, fun to shoot, light recoil. Magazines easy to load (actually easier to load manually than with the loader thing that came with it). The $10 rubber slip-on grip I added took care of all the grip issues - feels great in my hand. Trigger does have a bit of play, but once I got used to it it was no big deal. Easy to stage shots. Breaks down quickly and easily.

For $300 (price at Buds and what I paid locally), you can't go wrong with this bad boy, IMO. :thumb:

BigRedChief

02-05-2011, 06:56 PM

I never owned a gun and never felt unsafe. But, thats just me, maybe...

Frazod

02-05-2011, 06:57 PM

I never owned a gun and never felt unsafe. But, thats just me, maybe...

There's a first time for everything.

And a last time for everything.

notorious

02-05-2011, 06:58 PM

I never owned a gun and never felt unsafe. But, thats just me, maybe...

Good for you. I feel safe without my guns, too.

I want to be fully prepared and a dead accurate shot if it ever comes to survival, though. Plus shooting is a lot of fun.

LiveSteam

02-05-2011, 06:59 PM

I didnt get to go to the range. Fricken place had an all day waiting list. HATE THAT.
Instead I looked at pics all day & watched Kan kick our asses for the last time.
my favorite pic of the day. Out of the 1000s I looked at. Hope you guys like it.
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs079.snc6/168898_1525860187440_1262723835_31214355_8357048_n.jpg

All the Iowa class, ladies lined up.

LiveSteam

02-05-2011, 07:08 PM

CCI is running a lil promotion. By any 2 boxes of CCi and get a free spin target.
My lil girl will love shooting this with her Henry 22
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/downloads/CC131_OnlineCoupon.pdf

Dunit35

02-05-2011, 07:24 PM

Fun day at the range. The Veridian is awesome - pretty straight forward - point and shoot. Hole goes where the green dot is.

But I must say, I LOVE my new Ruger. Love it. Ran a couple of hundred rounds through it this afternoon. Very accurate, fun to shoot, light recoil. Magazines easy to load (actually easier to load manually than with the loader thing that came with it). The $10 rubber slip-on grip I added took care of all the grip issues - feels great in my hand. Trigger does have a bit of play, but once I got used to it it was no big deal. Easy to stage shots. Breaks down quickly and easily.

For $300 (price at Buds and what I paid locally), you can't go wrong with this bad boy, IMO. :thumb:

Good deal. Told you it'd feel good.

BigRedChief

02-05-2011, 07:31 PM

There's a first time for everything.

And a last time for everything.yeah, I know. Not an anti-gun person or anything like that,J just never felt the need to buy one. I traveled all the world and went to some really bad parts of the world without a gun. So living in suburbia I never felt the need for a gun.

notorious

02-05-2011, 07:34 PM

yeah, I know. Not an anti-gun person or anything like that,J just never felt the need to buy one. I traveled all the world and went to some really bad parts of the world without a gun. So living in suburbia I never felt the need for a gun.

I have always believed that when a person carries a gun they are inviting all of the attention to themselves in the event of something bad occuring.

I worked as a security guard in a bank for a couple years while going to flight school. We could carry if we wanted to, but I declined.

By carrying I would be killed in the event of a robbery. They can have the money, lives are more important.

Inside my house and car are completely different, though........

Frazod

02-05-2011, 07:47 PM

yeah, I know. Not an anti-gun person or anything like that,J just never felt the need to buy one. I traveled all the world and went to some really bad parts of the world without a gun. So living in suburbia I never felt the need for a gun.

I was raised around guns all my life, so having one is as natural to me as breathing. I understand most people aren't like that. I've also lived in places where nobody was safe. Again, if you haven't, good for you.

The thing to remember is, everything is wonderful where you live, until that one moment that it isn't. At that point, nothing that came before will matter. It's just you and whatever happens next.

The guy who would break into your house, steal your possessions and inflict horrendous bodily harm on you and your family that you may or may not recover from earnestly hopes you never change your mind. Personally, I'd prefer to meet that person on my terms, not his.

HonestChieffan

02-05-2011, 07:49 PM

jbwm89

02-05-2011, 07:51 PM

looking at getting a handgun for my graduation gift. Buddy of mine that works at a gunshop recommended a Glock 19 or a Ruger p95, what does everyone think?

Dunit35

02-05-2011, 07:57 PM

looking at getting a handgun for my graduation gift. Buddy of mine that works at a gunshop recommended a Glock 19 or a Ruger p95, what does everyone think?

I recommend the Ruger and Fraz probably would too.

They shoot great and aren't pricey.

He paid 300 new, I paid 280 used.

HonestChieffan

02-05-2011, 08:05 PM

love my glock, sig, smith,and baretta

notorious

02-05-2011, 08:08 PM

I was raised around guns all my life, so having one is as natural to me as breathing.

This.

And I'm sure you were taught the correct way to handle guns. People that didn't grow up with them can be dangerous as hell.

Frazod

02-05-2011, 08:18 PM

looking at getting a handgun for my graduation gift. Buddy of mine that works at a gunshop recommended a Glock 19 or a Ruger p95, what does everyone think?

Ruger P95 is the pistol I was talking about earlier. Wonderful gun. And for what you'd pay for just the Glock, you could get a Ruger fully tricked out with a top of the line laser sight and holster. See below.

02-05-2011, 08:19 PM

I never owned a gun and never felt unsafe. But, thats just me, maybe...

Safety is part of it for sure, but probably the bigger reason I have guns just because I love them! Hell I'd have even more if it weren't such an expensive hobby.

jbwm89

02-05-2011, 08:35 PM

Ruger P95 is the pistol I was talking about earlier. Wonderful gun. And for what you'd pay for just the Glock, you could get a Ruger fully tricked out with a top of the line laser sight and holster. See below.

Thanks that sounds like the right fit for me. So I should expect to pay right around the $300 range for a P95?

Groves

02-05-2011, 08:49 PM

looking at getting a handgun for my graduation gift. Buddy of mine that works at a gunshop recommended a Glock 19 or a Ruger p95, what does everyone think?

I recommend you buy the glock, and then fall in love with the Ruger. Such blinding love that you give the glock to me.

jbwm89

02-05-2011, 09:11 PM

I recommend you buy the glock, and then fall in love with the Ruger. Such blinding love that you give the glock to me.

haha I will let you know if that happens.

Fish

02-05-2011, 09:12 PM

I never owned a gun and never felt unsafe. But, thats just me, maybe...

Personal defense has never been my reasoning for owning firearms. I just love to shoot. Whether it's hunting or just plinking at some tin cans. Started at the age of 6 with a trusty Daisy BB gun and about 3 square miles of Kansas wilderness. And I've just grown my collection since then. I can't say that any gun I've bought has been for the sole purpose of home defense. I've got several that would work well for it if need be, but they weren't bought for that reason.

Frazod

02-05-2011, 09:51 PM

Thanks that sounds like the right fit for me. So I should expect to pay right around the $300 range for a P95?

That's exactly what Bud's is selling them for.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_49_75/products_id/18161

The stainless is about $20 more, but I didn't give a shit about that.

I do highly recommend you get the Model 3 grip. Well worth the $11.

http://www.pistoleer.com/pachmayr/slipon_grips/