Is Rothlesberger a Hall of Fame QB?

[jenksme]

I think so, convince me I am wrong.

[|Zach|]

Yes.

[The Bad Guy]

He was a first ballot HOF QB after his 2nd SB.

[keg in kc]

Probably.

If he gets a third ring, then definitely.

[Buck]

Cant do it. He is.

[GloryDayz]

Yes...

[dirk digler]

duh

[Pablo]

Yes.

He's the definition of 'clutch'.

[cdcox]

He was a first ballot HOF QB after his 2nd SB.

This.

[notorious]

Fuck ya.

[DTLB58]

Yes.

[Frankie]

Is Rothlesberger a Hall of Fame QB?

Maybe, maybe not. But he is a "Hall of Shame" HB.*

* HB= Human Being

[SPchief]

on, becasue he rapped somwun /kcnut

[SPchief]

Maybe, maybe not. But he is a "Hall of Shame" human being.

I don't think that was the question

[Shogun]

No question

[TEX]

Absolutely.
Great pocket presence. He makes plays when he has to. He wins. When it's all said and done, he might have the most Super Bowl wins as a starting QB.

[Over-Head]

I think so, convince me I am wrong.
Yes, and he`s already got the credintials to back it.
If he doesn`t let his personal life destroy his career, he`ll be fine, and more than likely a first round entry

[WilliamTheIrish]

Hell yes.

He sealed it with that throw to S. Holmes against the Cards two years ago.

[CrazyPhuD]

Depends upon how many more girls he rapes. Gets a few more of those rings and all the other rings in the world won't get him in. Just ask pete rose....

[Bane]

Yes.

[Reaper16]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Bane]

The HOF would the whole thing.

[Pushead2]

yessur

[BigCatDaddy]

All he does is win. Sure.

[mcaj22]

Depends upon how many more girls he rapes. Gets a few more of those rings and all the other rings in the world won't get him in. Just ask pete rose....



Ask Pete Rose what? What it's like to rape a girl? Yeah because Pete Rose never did that so it would be a moot question for Pete Rose to even waste his time answer such stupidity.

[the Talking Can]

thigpen>the rapist

[the Talking Can]

and yes, of course he is....

[Deberg_1990]

Only question that remanins about him is will he have more rapes or rings before he retires?

[RJ]

Yeah, I guess, but that doesn't make me hate him any less.

[Shogun]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/kamachi81/hump.gif

Ben is pressing charges on Mendenhall for rape.

[DaFace]

Yup. No question.

[milkman]

The running game and defense won two of those SBs, and that is what got them to the SB this year against the Jets.

The Steelers didn't score in the second half today.

Who cares that he made a big pass at the end of the game to get a first down and burn the clock?

[Ebolapox]

Depends upon how many more girls he rapes. Gets a few more of those rings and all the other rings in the world won't get him in. Just ask pete rose....

pete rose was a raper?

[milkman]

Oh, and if the Steelers defense didn't play great and set the offense up for scores in the second half against the Ravens last week, the Steelers wouldn't even be here because of Roethlisberger's mistakes in the first half in that game.

[Deberg_1990]

The running game and defense won two of those SBs, and that is what got them to the SB this year against the Jets.

The Steelers didn't score in the second half today.

Who cares that he made a big pass at the end of the game to get a first down and burn the clock?

Good grief...i can already see it, Big Ben is the modern day Troy Aikman. He just rode his running game and defense. he had nothing to do with his teams success...

:facepalm:

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The running game and defense won two of those SBs, and that is what got them to the SB this year against the Jets.

The Steelers didn't score in the second half today.

Who cares that he made a big pass at the end of the game to get a first down and burn the clock?

The running game and defense did absolutely nothing in that second SB against the Cardinals, save for James Harrison's pick.

They got shelled for almost 400 yards through the air, and needed Roethlisberger to bail their ass out.

[Reaper16]

The running game and defense won two of those SBs, and that is what got them to the SB this year against the Jets.

The Steelers didn't score in the second half today.

Who cares that he made a big pass at the end of the game to get a first down and burn the clock?
I disagree. The Steelers defense certainly didn't beat Arizona; they had a chance and failed. Ben won that Super Bowl.

[milkman]

The running game and defense did absolutely nothing in that second SB against the Cardinals, save for James Harrison's pick.

They got shelled for almost 400 yards through the air, and needed Roethlisberger to bail their ass out.

If Roethlisberger has done more to help the defense out in that game, they wouldn't have been in a position to give up so much.

And if James Harrison doesn't return an interception for a TD at the end of the first half, then they would have lost that game.

[Frankie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/kamachi81/hump.gif

Ben is pressing charges on Mendenhall for rape.

ROFL

I saw that and I was wondering what the guy was doing!

[cardken]

Why not the HOF already has a known Gambler ( Paul Horning), an alleged Murderer (O.J. Simpson), why not an alleged Rapist in Rothlesberger in there to round things out.

[bowener]

I disagree. The Steelers defense certainly didn't beat Arizona; they had a chance and failed. Ben won that Super Bowl.

I'm bringing it back...

this.

[ChiefsCountry]

Lol at milkman mocking the idots who don't think Big Ben is a franchise QB.

[Frankie]

Lol at milkman mocking the idots who don't think Big Ben is a franchise QB.

The question wasn't about a "Franchise" QB. It was about a "HOF" QB.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If Roethlisberger has done more to help the defense out in that game, they wouldn't have been in a position to give up so much.

And if James Harrison doesn't return an interception for a TD at the end of the first half, then they would have lost that game.

Ok, ok, my sarcasm meter is broken.

[WV]

Unfortunately yes.....Yuck, now i feel dirty.

[milkman]

Ok, ok, my sarcasm meter is broken.

Sorry, I was just doing my best Guardian impression, but admit, I fail at bringing the dumbassery to the table as effectively as he does.

[Reaper16]

Sorry, I was just doing my best Guardian impression, but admit, I fail at bringing the dumbassery to the table as effectively as he does.
I knew you were being sarcastic, and I was attempting to make the sarcasm continue.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Sorry, I was just doing my best Guardian impression, but admit, I fail at bringing the dumbassery to the table as effectively as he does.

This is what happens when you miss the game thread.

I'm sure that second half made him show his ass unlike anything in the last....week?

[mnchiefsguy]

Two rings already with a shot at a third, and he is still relatively young...I think there is no doubt he is a Hall of Famer. Plus, the NFL Hall of Fame does not factor character in its criteria.....just look at Lawrence Taylor.

[Rain Man]

To some extent, I think it depends on how much prison time he eventually does.

[stlchiefs]

not sure, but Roethlisberger probably is.

[salame]

he is a hall of fame rapist

[Ming the Merciless]

I was never a real fan of him until today.

What I saw on that 3rd and 6 when they did a shotgun 5 wr and he rolled out of the pocket and hit his man...and put the game on ice....made me admit that I have been wrong about him since he was a rookie.

I guess then, my answer is he almost certainly would be (although it is a tad too early to claim he already has done enough)......IF it werent for his criminal/legal issues involving sexual assault.

He still might be...but the sexual weirdness might prevent him from getting votes or even being nominated.

[Mile High Mania]

The rush to put players into the HOF before their careers are over ... or at the halfway point is always crazy.

Big Ben plays great... he has the "IT" factor, that whole franchise has the "IT" factor. I think he'll get into the HOF one day, but everyone should really just appreciate these types of players while they're playing and then worry about the HOF later.

I watch Big Ben and I see a lot of Elway ... Ben can put the team on his back, make something out of nothing, sacrifices his body and he can have blah stats, but still will his team to a win. It's fun watching guys like him and Rodgers play the game.

[blaise]

The rush to put players into the HOF before their careers are over ... or at the halfway point is always crazy.

Big Ben plays great... he has the "IT" factor, that whole franchise has the "IT" factor. I think he'll get into the HOF one day, but everyone should really just appreciate these types of players while they're playing and then worry about the HOF later.

I watch Big Ben and I see a lot of Elway ... Ben can put the team on his back, make something out of nothing, sacrifices his body and he can have blah stats, but still will his team to a win. It's fun watching guys like him and Rodgers play the game.

It's just a discussion, people discuss things. There's no football until the Super Bowl anyway, so why not talk about it?

[Mile High Mania]

It's just a discussion, people discuss things. There's no football until the Super Bowl anyway, so why not talk about it?

I wasn't saying "don't do it"... it's just sports talk, and I was just throwing out my initial $.02 on the notion.

[TIED5573]

Two rings already with a shot at a third, and he is still relatively young...I think there is no doubt he is a Hall of Famer. Plus, the NFL Hall of Fame does not factor character in its criteria.....just look at Lawrence Taylor.

Yeah, but he also broke a guy's leg. On prime time TV. You just can't measure that.

[DJ's left nut]

Depends on the question, IMO.

If he retires in 2 weeks and never plays another snap, it's a close call. Personally, I couldn't put the guy in the Hall as he hasn't even made the 100 games started threshhold.

If the question is "Will Ben make the HOF?" I think the answer is an unqualified yes. With 2 rings already and another 5 seasons of play at the level he's at now, he's certainly a HOFer. If he wins another SB, you can probably knock it down to 3 more (giving him 10 seasons as a starter at an elite level along with 3 titles).

I think it's early yet to be so unquivocal about it - SBs or not, he's still only put up about 1/2 a career. Longetivity matters a great deal when discussing the Hall, IMO, and if an injury or prison sentence finishes him off without playing another snap, I don't think you can put him in.

Then again - there's no way in hell I'd have voted for Gale Sayers, so I'm sure not everyone agrees with my approach here.

[Red Beans]

I think so, I also think he's a gigantic douche bag. I would bet money he uses the term "bro" a lot.

[BucEyedPea]

Depends upon how many more girls he rapes. Gets a few more of those rings and all the other rings in the world won't get him in. Just ask pete rose....

How 'bout a Prince Albert?

[BucEyedPea]

The Steelers championships has been their defense—not Ben. I mean what was one of his SB ratings? Like around 26. LOL!
I hope they lose so he doesn't.

[jrobbins 20]

Yeah hell be in the hall of fame.Im changing his name to Ben Rapelisberger.

[Pants]

pete rose was a raper?

The correct word is 'rapist'. That is all.

[Mile High Mania]

The Steelers championships has been their defense—not Ben. I mean what was one of his SB ratings? Like around 26. LOL!
I hope they lose so he doesn't.

This is why these discussions drive me crazy...

It is a team sport and few teams with just 1 bright spot win it all.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

He'll be voted in after Matt Cassel.

[DaFace]

The Steelers championships has been their defense—not Ben. I mean what was one of his SB ratings? Like around 26. LOL!
I hope they lose so he doesn't.

I don't think any analysis of Ben should have anything to do with stats, honestly. At least not unless you consider all of the various stats in combination. The guy just plain wins games. He avoids sacks like nobody's business, runs for 1st downs, and finds receivers at key moments. All QB's have bad games, but not many make it to 3 Super Bowls.

[Mile High Mania]

I don't think any analysis of Ben should have anything to do with stats, honestly. At least not unless you consider all of the various stats in combination. The guy just plain wins games. He avoids sacks like nobody's business, runs for 1st downs, and finds receivers at key moments. All QB's have bad games, but not many make it to 3 Super Bowls.

:clap: Again, I like the way he plays ... he's very solid and he reminds me a lot of one of the QBs he grew up idolizing.

[Halfcan]

he had 2 picks and a fumble for a safety yesterday

he is very average QB on a great team

no HOFer

[Bowser]

and he reminds me a lot of one of the QBs he grew up idolizing.

Tarkenton?


And you could make a strong argument he belongs there now, but if he wins another ring, he'll be a shoe-in.

[Steron]

Probably so. Now I need to go shower in bleach. :(

[Epic Fail 007]

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[Mile High Mania]

he had 2 picks and a fumble for a safety yesterday

he is very average QB on a great team

no HOFer

If that isn't typed in jest... you're in dire need of help.

[Brock]

he had 2 picks and a fumble for a safety yesterday

he is very average QB on a great team

no HOFer

LOL, fool.

[BucEyedPea]

I don't think any analysis of Ben should have anything to do with stats, honestly. At least not unless you consider all of the various stats in combination. The guy just plain wins games. He avoids sacks like nobody's business, runs for 1st downs, and finds receivers at key moments. All QB's have bad games, but not many make it to 3 Super Bowls.

I just wanted to take a jab at him. I also feel one of those SBs was courtesy of the refs. Like against the Seattle who were robbed.
I still say the Steelers defense had a lot to do with those SB's. Defense wins championships in my book. Though, someday he may make the HoF.

[Mile High Mania]

I just wanted to take a jab at him. I still say the Steelers defense had a lot to do with those SB's. Defense wins championships in my book.

Sure they did, but are you willing to say they have all those wins and the titles with Todd Collins?

[BucEyedPea]

Sure they did, but are you willing to say they have all those wins and the titles with Todd Collins?

Heh! No he's is part of that team, so he gets some credit. I just think his performance in SB XL with a passer rating of 22.6 does not makes him the hero of that game. I'm not saying he didn't contribute to it because of his pass to Ward and his converting eight third-down situations though. But I mean it wasn't HoF material to me.

[Molitoth]

Ben has the best Pocket Presence out of any QB in the league.

[BucEyedPea]

Ben has the best Pocket Presence out of any QB in the league.

"The" best? Hmmmm....:hmmm:

[Ebolapox]

The correct word is 'rapist'. That is all.

raper=one who rapes. at least, it's that way in my "Step-Brothers" dictionary.

"you yelled rape!"
"I swear, at one point, he got this look in his eye and said 'let's get it on' "
"let's get it on, as in the fight"
"he was going to rape me!"
"I'm so not a raper!!!"
:hmmm:

[Halfcan]

Ben plays the best Pocket Pool out of any QB in the league.

fyp

I think he chokes in the next SB.

[KurtCobain]

fyp

I think he chokes in the next SB.

It'd be crazy if he throws a game winner though...for the other team.

[Consistent1]

Ruthlessberger is a great QB, don't even try to tell him he can't do something. Definite HOF.

[Halfcan]

Ruthlessberger is a great QB, don't even try to tell him he can't do something. Definite HOF.

Especially if your a drunk girl in a bathroom stall.

[KCBOSS1]

Absolutely.... I was convinced when he got his nose broke against the Ravens and finished the game with a broken nose and jacked up ankle. Two superbowl rings already, the youngest superbowl winning quarterback in history.

[Consistent1]

Especially if your a drunk girl in a bathroom stall.

For sure. He is great at avoiding the "sack" himself though....haha

[DaFace]

"The" best? Hmmmm....:hmmm:

There's really no question about it. Best arm? He's good, but not phenomenal. Best accuracy? Not a chance. But no one in the league can avoid a sack like he can.

[Pioli Zombie]

Absolutely. He's been the best clutch QB in football the last 5 years.

[MahiMike]

Top 3 QB all time already.

[Brock]

Top 3 QB all time already.

lolwut

[Halfcan]

Top 3 QB all time already.

LOL maybe the best player in Any sport to Ever do Anything!!!

[Ebolapox]

fyp

I think he chokes in the next SB.

that makes NO sense, mang.

big ben OBVIOUSLY knows NOTHING about pocket pool: he obviously has to have a struggling woman who is yelling "no!"

[synthesis2]

no he raped a woman, period

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Top 3 QB all time already.

Leroy, you are just stupid as hell.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If a QB wins 3 SBs, they'll be in the HOF if they only play four seasons.

[Brock]

If a QB wins 3 SBs, they'll be in the HOF if they only play four seasons.

Or even two, probably.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Or even two, probably.

Kurt Warner is a good example of this:

He had two otherworldly years in St. Louis with a SB win and a SB loss, and those were his only two full seasons there. The other three years there he played in 2, 11, and 6 games.

He was one and done with the Giants, and was pretty bad in that one year.

He was an intermittent starter for two years in Arizona, but the job wasn't his.

Finally, he emerged as the starter early in 2007 in Arizona, and held onto it for his last 42 starts.

He only had 116 starts and played until he was 38.

[Ebolapox]

no he raped a woman, period

no shit, man.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

no he raped a woman, period

I hate to burst your optimistic cherry, but speaking as someone who has had his photo taken next to the busts of a murderer and rapist in that very same building, it's not going to make a goddamned bit of difference.

[Brianfo]

I hate to burst your optimistic cherry, but speaking as someone who has had his photo taken next to the busts of a murderer and rapist in that very same building, it's not going to make a goddamned bit of difference.

This. He is a HOF!!

[Ebolapox]

he's no ty cobb, that's for damned sure.

[bowener]

So far, what are the arguments against BBR being in the HOF? Excluding "he's a rapist" from the bunch. I'm too lazy to read through this whole thread.

[DaFace]

So far, what are the arguments against BBR being in the HOF? Excluding "he's a rapist" from the bunch. I'm too lazy to read through this whole thread.

That's about it except for the ever-present "it's all the defense" argument.

[BigCatDaddy]

The running game and defense won two of those SBs, and that is what got them to the SB this year against the Jets.

The Steelers didn't score in the second half today.

Who cares that he made a big pass at the end of the game to get a first down and burn the clock?

I know this was in jest, but you sort of have a point. That defense has given Ben the opportunities to be what he is. If he isn't on the Steelers he may very well not be even thought of as a possible HOF QB and he pretty much "Sanchezed" it in that first Superbowl game where the team won in spite of him sucking.

[cdcox]

I know this was in jest, but you sort of have a point. That defense has given Ben the opportunities to be what he is. If he isn't on the Steelers he may very well not be even thought of as a possible HOF QB and he pretty much "Sanchezed" it in that first Superbowl game where the team won in spite of him sucking.

Yeah and there weren't three road playoff games leading up to that game or anything either.

At Bengals 14-21-208-3-0
At Indy 14-24-197-2-1
At Denver 21-29-275-2-0

[Dr. Van Halen]

So far, what are the arguments against BBR being in the HOF? Excluding "he's a rapist" from the bunch. I'm too lazy to read through this whole thread.

22.5

[BigCatDaddy]

Yeah and there weren't three road playoff games leading up to that game or anything either.

At Bengals 14-21-208-3-0
At Indy 14-24-197-2-1
At Denver 21-29-275-2-0

Yes, that's why I said in the Superbowl and not "in the playoffs leading up the Superbowl" or anything about the regualar season where he had a 90 some QB rating.

Typically when voting on HOF, SB victories for a QB are nice to have in the pocket. I'd vote for the guy in a heart beat, but let's not pretend if he is drafted by 90% of the other teams that it's such and open and shut case.

[Molitoth]

Now? Maybe.
In the future? Yes.

[Baby Lee]

This guy is watching a HoF QB.

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/RexToss.gif

[R8RFAN]

2 sb VICTORIES won't guarantee you in

Plunkett has 2 and both his parents were blind and he is still not in.

[Brock]

What do his parents being blind have to do with anything? His play in most years would make you think Plunkett was blind too.

[R8RFAN]

What do his parents being blind have to do with anything? His play in most years would make you think Plunkett was blind too.
Says a fan of a football team that hasn't sniffed a SB since Gatorade was invented :clap:

[Brock]

Says a fan of a football team that hasn't sniffed a SB since Gatorade was invented :clap:

Has nothing to do with whether Plunkett is HOF worthy. He isn't.

[R8RFAN]

Has nothing to do with whether Plunkett is HOF worthy. He isn't.

Those NE years killed him

[Halfcan]

So does anyone want to change their mind after Big Ben choked away the SB for the Steelers???

He was plain aweful and his pick 6 was a back breaker!!

I say no HOF for Ben.

[Deberg_1990]

So does anyone want to change their mind after Big Ben choked away the SB for the Steelers???

He was plain aweful and his pick 6 was a back breaker!!

I say no HOF for Ben.

Are you serious?

Hes still a HoF'er in my mind and has tons more playing time to get another one.

Remember, Elway lost 3 before he even won his first.

[R8RFAN]

Big Ben will get in the HOF on the first ballot he is on.

[blaise]

He's getting in. He has two Super Bowls and played in a third. He's going to play like 8 more years, he's going to have enough numbers to get in. By the time he's done he'll hold basically all the franchise records for passing for the Steelers.

[Halfcan]

Are you serious?

Hes still a HoF'er in my mind and has tons more playing time to get another one.

Remember, Elway lost 3 before he even won his first.

I like how they kept bringing up the rape charges all through the game.

I think the character issues and his average stats keep him out.

Choking away this SB is going to hurt as well. He was just plain aweful.

[Brock]

I like how they kept bringing up the rape charges all through the game.

I think the character issues and his average stats keep him out.

Choking away this SB is going to hurt as well. He was just plain aweful.

ROFL

[TheGuardian]

I like how they kept bringing up the rape charges all through the game.

I think the character issues and his average stats keep him out.

Choking away this SB is going to hurt as well. He was just plain aweful.

Character issues have never kept anyone out of the hall, and that's actually one of the things discussed in the meetings. That they are only to take into account the things a guy did on the field. Otherwise, Lawrence Taylor never got in either.

It's like some people don't actually follow football here.

[pkane]

I like how they kept bringing up the rape charges all through the game.

I think the character issues and his average stats keep him out.

Choking away this SB is going to hurt as well. He was just plain aweful.


LT, Michael Irving, and many others disagree with you.

Easily a 1st ballot HOF.

[blaise]

I like how they kept bringing up the rape charges all through the game.

I think the character issues and his average stats keep him out.

Choking away this SB is going to hurt as well. He was just plain aweful.

The football voters are specifically told not to count any off the field character issues toward HOF criteria. It's different than baseball. I've heard John McClain, who was on the HOF selection committee for years and is a football writer for the Houston Chronicle, say it many times- they don't want off the field issues brought up during arguments. Some voters may consider it privately, but they're not supposed to.

[bandwagonjumper]

I don't think he is. If he wins a third one is he shoe in but with two I don't know. It was way before my time but Jim Plunkett won two and he isn't in the HOF and his name never comes in discussion about great qbs.

Roethlisburger is a solid qb but if David Gerrard would play for the Steelers I don't think there would miss much and if Roethlisberger were to play for Jacksonville I don't think there would become Superbowl contenders.

[Rain Man]

The football voters are specifically told not to count any off the field character issues toward HOF criteria. It's different than baseball. I've heard John McClain, who was on the HOF selection committee for years and is a football writer for the Houston Chronicle, say it many times- they don't want off the field issues brought up during arguments. Some voters may consider it privately, but they're not supposed to.

I'm sure they're not supposed to, but there's got to be some reason why Cris Carter keeps getting passed over, and I don't think it's because of his 1,000 catches.

[Sofa King]

People really underestimate what Ben means to this football team. He will get into the HOF when all said and done, barring injuries shortening his career.

[Deberg_1990]

I'm sure they're not supposed to, but there's got to be some reason why Cris Carter keeps getting passed over, and I don't think it's because of his 1,000 catches.

Not really....Theres a perception that modern WR's are nothing more than stat compilers because teams pass so much more now than back in the 60's, 70's and 80's......

[Imon Yourside]

No, cuz it feels good to say it.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Roethlisberger did not choke that game away. The first pick was in no way his fault, and the second was just a great play by a DB who outfought the WR for the ball.

[Chief Chief]

The only HoF he's worthy of entering is the Drunken Rapists Hall of Fame.

[DrRyan]

Roethlisberger did not choke that game away. The first pick was in no way his fault, and the second was just a great play by a DB who outfought the WR for the ball.

Who's fault would the first interception be then? Ben had pressure right in his face when he let loose with the pick 6. When a QB throws a pick because of pressure in his face it is no longer his fault? I have a feeling if Cassel had thrown that pick you would be leading the flogging campaign.

[DeezNutz]

Who's fault would the first interception be then? Ben had pressure right in his face when he let loose with the pick 6. When a QB throws a pick because of pressure in his face it is no longer his fault? I have a feeling if Cassel had thrown that pick you would be leading the flogging campaign.

His arm was hit on the release, so it's tough to criticize him too heavily for the pass. The second INT was definitely preventable.

But Roethlisberger's worst moment was missing Wallace on what should have been an easy TD.

Not his best game by far yesterday.

[Halfcan]

Roethlisberger did not choke that game away. The first pick was in no way his fault, and the second was just a great play by a DB who outfought the WR for the ball.

ROFL I could have caught those "floaters" in my sleep.

[Halfcan]

The only HoF he's worthy of entering is the Drunken Rapists Hall of Fame.

wow OUCH!!

[Shaid]

Rothlisberger won his first SB because his defense was great. He was awful and the rest of his team bailed him out.

His second Superbowl he played well in but remember Harrison having that ridiculous interception return just before halftime? Again, his team helped his tremendously but he played a good game.

This Superbowl was Ben choking the game away. He pretty much put his team in a position where it was extremely difficult to come back. He was extremely fortunate that the Packers had those injuries in their secondary or I'm sure he'd have not had the touchdown before halftime and I'm betting he throws another INT.

I said it a couple years ago when they beat the Cardinals and I still feel the same way. Out of all the Franchise QB's, he's probably the one I'd want the least. I'm sure he gets into the HOF but that's because he's a Steeler and he's been on a good team since he entered the league. Funny thing is that everyone always talks about how clutch he is. Why does he always need to come back in games? If he was so good wouldn't he have sealed the deal a little earlier? I'd take Brees, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Rivers over him any day. If you have 5 QB's who are better than you when you are playing, does that really mean you deserve the HOF? I don't think it does. There hasn't been a single year that I'd have considered him in the top 3 since he came out. He'll ride his team right to Canton though. He's lucky as hell that the Steelers drafted him.

[Psyko Tek]

Roethlisberger did not choke that game away. The first pick was in no way his fault, and the second was just a great play by a DB who outfought the WR for the ball.

on that first pick I called game over

[milkman]

Character issues have never kept anyone out of the hall, and that's actually one of the things discussed in the meetings. That they are only to take into account the things a guy did on the field. Otherwise, Lawrence Taylor never got in either.

It's like some people don't actually follow football here.

Oh, Halfwit follows football, he just can't follow the people around the football.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

When the QB gets his fucking arm hit as he's making a throw the pick is not his fault. Have any of you fucking retards ever watched football, or do you just post here for the poop threads?

[veist]

I'm always of two minds about him, and I think its mostly his game doesn't wow me in a lot of ways besides his escapability in the pocket. But really barring some kind of major scandal coming out right around the time that his HoF eligibility clock starts counting down he's probably a lock and I certainly don't think his career being cut short by injury would lessen his chances given the precedent of Irving and Sayers for example.

[-King-]

Leroy, you are just stupid as hell.

ROFL ROFL

I can't have been the only person that got this.
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[Halfcan]

Rothlisberger won his first SB because his defense was great. He was awful and the rest of his team bailed him out.

His second Superbowl he played well in but remember Harrison having that ridiculous interception return just before halftime? Again, his team helped his tremendously but he played a good game.

This Superbowl was Ben choking the game away. He pretty much put his team in a position where it was extremely difficult to come back. He was extremely fortunate that the Packers had those injuries in their secondary or I'm sure he'd have not had the touchdown before halftime and I'm betting he throws another INT.

I said it a couple years ago when they beat the Cardinals and I still feel the same way. Out of all the Franchise QB's, he's probably the one I'd want the least. I'm sure he gets into the HOF but that's because he's a Steeler and he's been on a good team since he entered the league. Funny thing is that everyone always talks about how clutch he is. Why does he always need to come back in games? If he was so good wouldn't he have sealed the deal a little earlier? I'd take Brees, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, or Rivers over him any day. If you have 5 QB's who are better than you when you are playing, does that really mean you deserve the HOF? I don't think it does. There hasn't been a single year that I'd have considered him in the top 3 since he came out. He'll ride his team right to Canton though. He's lucky as hell that the Steelers drafted him.

:thumb: this!!

[Ming the Merciless]

Character issues have never kept anyone out of the hall, and that's actually one of the things discussed in the meetings. That they are only to take into account the things a guy did on the field. Otherwise, Lawrence Taylor never got in either.

It's like some people don't actually follow football here.

I can't think of any other people getting caught for sexual assault during their career....twice....this might be a case where they do actually think about conduct.

Maybe...