Why Monogamy is Ridiculous

[Skyy God]

http://bigthink.com/ideas/24738

Dan Savage: Yeah, absolutely we need to rethink love and commitment. You know 60 years ago was when we decided that men had to be monogamous too. Men were not monogamous. For all of recorded human history men had concubines and whores, and 60 years ago straight relationships began to become more egalitarian and it was less of a property transaction—a marriage had been a property transaction for most of recorded human history—and it became a union of two equals. And at that moment instead of deciding to allow women to have the same sort of freedom and leeway that men did we decided to let men have the same limitations, impose the same limitations what women had and we put monogamous sexual commitment at the heart of all relationships, all long-term commitments, all marriages and we have watched.

We should now be able to recognize the consequences of that, which are a lot of short-term relationships, a lot of divorce. Because monogamy is ridiculous and people aren’t any good at it. We’re not wired for it. We didn’t evolve to be. It’s unnatural and it places a tremendous strain on our marriages and our long-term commitments to expect them to be effortlessly monogamous. Because what we said is "If you’re in love you shouldn’t... you won’t want to have sex with anybody else and what we need to tell people is that if you’re in love you can make a monogamous commitment and you will refrain from having sex with other people, but you will still desperately want to f**k the shit out of other people." But people understand love means I don’t want to f**k other people because of these misconceptions pumped into people’s heads about romance, love and what it means. And so they meet somebody else that they’re attracted to and they’re attracted to this other person. They go "Well, I must not be in love with my partner anymore otherwise I wouldn’t be attracted to this person." Or they feel threatened when their partners are attracted to other people because it makes them feel insecure and we just need to get passed that and we talk about monogamy the way we talk about virginity, that you’re monogamous until you f**k somebody else and they’re you’re not. You’ve ruined it. You popped your monogamy hymen and destroyed your monogamous relationship.

We need to talk about monogamy the way we talk about sobriety, which you can be monogamous and fall off the wagon and then sober back up. You can monogamous back up and get back on the wagon. And the truth of the matter is that if you’re with somebody for 40, 50 years and they only cheated on you a few times they were good at being monogamous, not bad at being monogamous. They were good at it. So I do think there needs to be some leeway. And a lot of really good loving relationships are destroyed because somebody wants a little variety or isn’t getting a need met and feels they have to step out and it explodes the relationship. I'm conservative. I think that we should do what we can to preserve marriages and long-term relationships, and one way to do that is to encourage people to have more realistic attitudes about sexual exclusivity.

[tooge]

this should be interesting

[luv]

That's great for men. Women would still be whores.

[tooge]

That's great for men. Women would still be whores.

and?

[Skyy God]

That's great for men. Women would still be whores.

+1

[loochy]

That's great for men. Women would still be whores.

Well yeah.

Go make me a sandwich while I get some strange.

[luv]

You could become old school Mormon.

[jAZ]

Monogamy isn't that hard.

[loochy]

Monogamy isn't that hard.

This is just more excuse for people to do something that is wrong, bad, or irresponsible, then have something to blame it on. It is the way of today's society.

[tooge]

actually, the OP is stating a fact. One of the reasons mankind has been so successful over time is that there has always been a dual role structure in the relationship. Mama sat in the cave and took care of junior, thus increasing the odds that junior would grow up and populate. Meanwhile, dad was out getting as much ass as possible. Again, increasing the odds that he was increasing not only the population as a whole, but his genetic fingerprint on it. Tha is why we have evolved so quickly, while most other species have either died out, or are very similar to what they were a million years ago. If people were completely monogamous from the get go, we would have died out long ago when the population bottleneck occured and took us down to around 5,000 individuals thousands of years ago.

[Skyy God]

Monogamy isn't that hard when your opportunity is limited.

Fixed. ;)

[DaFace]

Monogamy isn't that hard.

Heh...you said "hard."

[luv]

Heh...you said "hard."

LMAO

[blaise]

That's all well and good, but the person you would need to sell that to is the person you're with, and good luck with that.
And I bet most people that say monogamy is outdated would probably have a change of heart the first time their wife got all dolled up and picked up at the house by some dude, and then didn't come home until 10:30 the next day.

[luv]

That's all well and good, but the person you would need to sell that to is the person you're with, and good luck with that.
And I bet most people that say monogamy is outdated would probably have a change of heart the first time their wife got all dolled up and picked up at the house by some dude, and then didn't come home until 10:30 the next day.

We've already established this is only acceptable for men.

[Brock]

The simple solution is don't get married.

[tooge]

That's all well and good, but the person you would need to sell that to is the person you're with, and good luck with that.
And I bet most people that say monogamy is outdated would probably have a change of heart the first time their wife got all dolled up and picked up at the house by some dude, and then didn't come home until 10:30 the next day.

I am monogamous, and think its great. Doesn't change the fact that we aren't wired that way. Wifey isn't supposed to be getting dolled up and picked up by some dude. she is supposed to be making the "cave" liveable to her mate so that he can relax and rejuvinate while he is rebuiling his sperm supply. I didn't make this shit up, I'm just stating it.

[Discuss Thrower]

Fixed. ;)

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So let me kill it. I told my ex girlfriend monogamy is a failed concept. She didn't appreciate that too much.

[jAZ]

Fixed.

A huge part of monogamy is deliberately limiting your opportunity. If you choose not to deliberately limit your opportunity, you are choosing to fail and monogamy. It's not hard. If you choose not to try, that's your thing.

If you always go out to the bar with friends instead of going home to your wife and kids, you are choosing to make monogamy hard. While you are out at the bar, if you choose to be your buddy's "wingman", you are choosing to make monogamy hard. While you are wingman, if you choose to engage in flirting, you are choosing to make monogamy hard.

You can choose not to do any of those things, and that make monogamy easy.

[MOhillbilly]

Ive never cheated. Ever.

[jAZ]

The simple solution is don't get married.

Agreed 100%. If you don't want the commitment, don't make it. It's a choice and a preference. Just don't rationalize that it's some foreign idea we humans can't process.

[jAZ]

That's all well and good, but the person you would need to sell that to is the person you're with, and good luck with that.
And I bet most people that say monogamy is outdated would probably have a change of heart the first time their wife got all dolled up and picked up at the house by some dude, and then didn't come home until 10:30 the next day.

Jealousy is an outdated concept for you. I reserve my right to engage in it, though.

[tooge]

Ive never cheated. Ever.

Me either. Doesn't mean the oportunity hasn't been there. I have a buddy or two that cheat on their wives all the time. Not my thing, but I understand how it happens. I agree that it is easiest to just not put myself in those situations. I've always said, I already have one woman griping and telling me what to do, why would I want another?

[loochy]

We've already established this is only acceptable for men.

I really like the way you think.

[Donger]

I told my wife about this. She didn't agree.

[Skyy God]

That's all well and good, but the person you would need to sell that to is the person you're with, and good luck with that.
And I bet most people that say monogamy is outdated would probably have a change of heart the first time their wife got all dolled up and picked up at the house by some dude, and then didn't come home until 10:30 the next day.

Sure, but that's the most disrespectful, contemptuous for the relationship scenario imaginable. I.e., not realistic.

[talastan]

Sorry if you can't be monogamous then don't get married. Don't be freaking surprised though when the husband/boyfriend of some girl you nailed comes knocking down your door. If we "de-evolved" our selves by going back to just openly nailing whoever, we'd also be inviting the savagery (pun intended) that inevitably comes along with it. If this is more a pro-prostitution stance, then I say let the states decide.

[boogblaster]

Keep it in ya pants .. then ya can't dance .....

[blaise]

Sure, but that's the most disrespectful, contemptuous for the relationship scenario imaginable. I.e., not realistic.

Right, not realistic. I'm sure it would always be conducted in the most respectful way imaginable.

[Lzen]

Dumb.

[RedNFeisty]

ROFLROFL

I'd be damn if I'm going to sit in the cave taking care of junior and not get some strange myself if hubby is out getting it.

Once all is said and done, it really isn't difficult to be monogamous. The laws of attraction are always in play, it is just a matter of will power. Some people are just weaker then others in that department.

Generally, people are only as strong as their options. The fewer the options, the more monogamous they are. Sad, but true.

[cdcox]

I am monogamous, and think its great. Doesn't change the fact that we aren't wired that way. Wifey isn't supposed to be getting dolled up and picked up by some dude. she is supposed to be making the "cave" liveable to her mate so that he can relax and rejuvinate while he is rebuiling his sperm supply. I didn't make this shit up, I'm just stating it.

Those that say that we aren't wired to be monogamous are only recognizing half of the evidence. Jealousy is antagonistic to polygomy. If we were wired to be purely polygomists we would have shed that useless emotion in our evolutionary past. Emotional attachment to someone you are intimate with is also harmful to a polygomist wiring.

Most accurately, humans are in a state of tension between the desire to form deep and lasting bonds with a member of the opposite sex and the desire to get some strange. Social norms have favored one side of this tension or the other in different ways at different times. The statement that we've only had monogomy for 60 years is either grossly uninformed or a pure lie.

[TimeForWasp]

monogomy = monopoly

do not pass go, do not collect 200 women

[Hammock Parties]

I prefer monogamy. Too lazy too seek multiple partners. Pain in the fucking ass. Be nice to find one girl to bang regularly.

[Brock]

I prefer monogamy. Too lazy too seek multiple partners. Pain in the fucking ass. Be nice to find one girl to bang regularly.

There's a big difference between "lazy" and "scared and inept".

[tooge]

Those that say that we aren't wired to be monogamous are only recognizing half of the evidence. Jealousy is antagonistic to polygomy. If we were wired to be purely polygomists we would have shed that useless emotion in our evolutionary past. Emotional attachment to someone you are intimate with is also harmful to a polygomist wiring.

Most accurately, humans are in a state of tension between the desire to form deep and lasting bonds with a member of the opposite sex and the desire to get some strange. Social norms have favored one side of this tension or the other in different ways at different times. The statement that we've only had monogomy for 60 years is either grossly uninformed or a pure lie.

exactly. I think that the farther back you go down the evolutionary tree, the farther away you get from that emotion (jealousy) and the closer you get to true polygamy. I would guess that is in part because when tribes are roaming around, it becomes more and more difficult to bond with that person. As they become more and more stable with regards to location, which happened about the time we figured out agriculture, then you see the same individuals every day. When this happens, you begin to see where you fit in the group. You begin to see materialism develop, and once it does, then a good mate becomes something you want and dont want anyone else to have. Hence jealousy. Not to mention, that underlying all of this is the fact that we ARE programmed to spread OUR genetic material first and foremost, and if another male is circling your mate, that is a direct threat to this happening. Again, jealousy.

[Hammock Parties]

There's a big difference between "lazy" and "scared and inept".

Dude, I can pull ass off the internet easy, and it's far easier (and safer, and cheaper) than going out and trying to hook up at clubs. But, I don't even do that anymore, because I'm bored with it. Football honestly interests me more than sex right now. My head's in a weird place. I'm just a crazy old hermit.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

You gonna get AIDS!

[Brock]

Dude, I can pull ass off the internet easy, and it's far easier (and safer, and cheaper) than going out and trying to hook up at clubs. But, I don't even do that anymore, because I'm bored with it. Football honestly interests me more than sex right now. My head's in a weird place. I'm just a crazy old hermit.

Dude, if you could, you would. "Bored with it", "football interests me more than sex", LOL. There's something wrong with you.

[stevieray]

no, wearing a condom is ridiculous...literally and figuratively.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

no, wearing a condom is ridiculous...literally and figuratively.

It's like taking a shower with your socks on.

[Hammock Parties]

Dude, if you could, you would. "Bored with it", "football interests me more than sex", LOL. There's something wrong with you.

I know! Getting laid just seems like a chore these days. I was all gung ho about it for a year (for obvious reasons), banged a few girls, and now it's just like, "yawn."

[Art Vader]

eh... everybody **** everybody

[luv]

I know! Getting laid just seems like a chore these days. I was all gung ho about it for a year (for obvious reasons), banged a few girls, and now it's just like, "yawn."

Yawn? You must not be doing it right.

[Donger]

I know! Getting laid just seems like a chore these days. I was all gung ho about it for a year (for obvious reasons), banged a few girls, and now it's just like, "yawn."

Did you ever figure out how to keep it up through ejaculation?

[BucEyedPea]

That's all well and good, but the person you would need to sell that to is the person you're with, and good luck with that.
And I bet most people that say monogamy is outdated would probably have a change of heart the first time their wife got all dolled up and picked up at the house by some dude, and then didn't come home until 10:30 the next day.

Yeah ever see how many swinging couples survive their marriage or jealously? Uh hmmm.
I think Pittsie might be a satyr.

[Hammock Parties]

Did you ever figure out how to keep it up through ejaculation?

Yes.

[Donger]

Yes.

Did you have to resort to ED medication?

[Skyy God]

Yeah ever see how many swinging couples survive their marriage or jealously? Uh hmmm.
I think Pittsie might be a satyr.

True story. Ex employee of a friend and her husband are/were swingers. Their relationship fell apart because the husband was not sleeping with a woman.

[teedubya]

I'm sold! Whores for everyone!

[Chiefs Rool]

when I was in college I had a girlfriend, and she would get soooo jealous when I cheated on her. I'd be like "well if you didn't get fat, I wouldn't have to. Instead of crying, step on a treadmill with 8 on incline, because I'm not sticking around with back fat." And she'd be like "I'm not fat, I'm pregnant." and I'd be like "whatever, it's gross! now clean it out"

[suzzer99]

actually, the OP is stating a fact. One of the reasons mankind has been so successful over time is that there has always been a dual role structure in the relationship. Mama sat in the cave and took care of junior, thus increasing the odds that junior would grow up and populate. Meanwhile, dad was out getting as much ass as possible. Again, increasing the odds that he was increasing not only the population as a whole, but his genetic fingerprint on it. Tha is why we have evolved so quickly, while most other species have either died out, or are very similar to what they were a million years ago. If people were completely monogamous from the get go, we would have died out long ago when the population bottleneck occured and took us down to around 5,000 individuals thousands of years ago.

So conversely we should promote monogamy now since there are already way too damn many people in the world, right?

[Hammock Parties]

Did you have to resort to ED medication?

It helps. It's best use is prolonging stamina. I had a Peter North experience on that stuff. It rocks.

[El Jefe]

I'm not reading through the replies, but if it's that hard for someone to be with one person, then don't freakin get married. If you dont want commitment, then dont commit, nobody is forcing you to get married.

[Stanley Nickels]

I think porn has actually saved more relationships than it's ruined. It's an opiate of sorts- satiates some of the inevitable boredom, without the subsequent drama that goes along with cheating.

[Brock]

Masturbation makes marriage possible.

[Rooster]

It's like taking a shower with your socks on.

and I hate wet socks. :#

[Earthling]

Just one ole' lady is headache enough for me. :D


Actually after more than 35yrs together I wouldn't trade her in for anyone else.

[seclark]

Just one ole' lady is headache enough for me. :D


Actually after more than 35yrs together I wouldn't trade her in for anyone else.

same here especially because her credit score beats mine all to hell.
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[Earthling]

same here especially because her credit score beats mine all to hell.
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Lol Mine too. ;)

[DTLB58]

ROFLROFL

I'd be damn if I'm going to sit in the cave taking care of junior and not get some strange myself if hubby is out getting it.

Once all is said and done, it really isn't difficult to be monogamous. The laws of attraction are always in play, it is just a matter of will power. Some people are just weaker then others in that department.

Generally, people are only as strong as their options. The fewer the options, the more monogamous they are. Sad, but true.

I think she nailed it. ;)

[Rausch]

Masturbation makes marriage possible.

This.

[RedNFeisty]

I think she nailed it. ;)

:D

I'm a smart cookie.

[tooge]

So conversely we should promote monogamy now since there are already way too damn many people in the world, right?

yes. I'm not saying monogamy is wrong, I am saying that there is a reason that polygamy sounds so great to so many people, and that reason is that we are wired that way.

[RedNFeisty]

yes. I'm not saying monogamy is wrong, I am saying that there is a reason that polygamy sounds so great to so many people, and that reason is that we are wired that way.

I disagree that we are "wired" that way. It is greed plain and simple. People want to have their cake and eat it too.

[Frazod]

At this point, I've developed an Al Bundy philosophy towards women. The last thing I need is another one of the damned things driving me crazy.

[Brock]

I disagree that we are "wired" that way. It is greed plain and simple. People want to have their cake and eat it too.

No, there is a biological component to it.

[luv]

No, there is a biological component to it.
Just shows the differences between men and women.

[RedNFeisty]

No, there is a biological component to it.

Even if there is a biological component to it, it can still be by passed. People have become accustomed to having what they want, when they want it, and will settle for nothing less. A persons mentality is what will make or break a marriage.

[RedNFeisty]

Just shows the differences between men and women.

Women are no different.

[Bugeater]

eh... everybody **** everybody
HELL YES! FUCKFEST 2011!

[Mr. Plow]

HELL YES! FUCKFEST 2011!


Can we get confirmation from Joe if this next year's Bash theme?

[threebag]

one dick, one chick

[Thig Lyfe]

I think Dan Savage's point isn't that the world should be a free-for-all fuckfest. What he's really saying is that people in monogamous relationships should be more open with their partners about their needs and whether they're being fulfilled, and whether it's necessary for either partner to search for solutions to those needs outside of the relationship. If people in marriages were more open about stuff like who they're attracted to and whether they have had a desire to "cheat" -- and more importantly, if people kept an open mind when being told about these things, keeping in mind the fact that monogamy isn't a natural state -- then the marriages would last longer and end up stronger in the long run. It's ultimately about communication.

[FAX]

Fucking is an Austrian village[3] in the municipality of Tarsdorf,[4] in the Innviertel region of western Upper Austria. The village is 33 kilometres (21 mi) north of Salzburg, 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) east of the German border.

Despite having a population of only 104, the village has become famous for its name in the English-speaking world. Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when they were modified to be theft-resistant.

Etymology

It is believed that the settlement was founded in the 6th century by Focko, a Bavarian nobleman. The existence of the village was documented for the first time in 1070 and historical records show that some twenty years later the lord was Adalpertus de Fucingin. The spelling of the name has evolved over the years; it is first recorded in historical sources with the spelling as Vucchingen in 1070, Fukching in 1303,[5] Fugkhing in 1532, and in the modern spelling Fucking in the 18th century,[6] which is pronounced with the vowel oo as in book.[2] The ending -ing is an old Germanic suffix indicating the people belonging to the root word to which it is attached, such as in the English word earthling; thus Fucking means "(place of) Focko’s people."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria

FAX

[luv]

Women are no different.

Women are the same as men? Okay, then I guess I'm different.

[RedNFeisty]

I think Dan Savage's point isn't that the world should be a free-for-all ****fest. What he's really saying is that people in monogamous relationships should be more open with their partners about their needs and whether they're being fulfilled, and whether it's necessary for either partner to search for solutions to those needs outside of the relationship. If people in marriages were more open about stuff like who they're attracted to and whether they have had a desire to "cheat" -- and more importantly, if people kept an open mind when being told about these things, keeping in mind the fact that monogamy isn't a natural state -- then the marriages would last longer and end up stronger in the long run. It's ultimately about communication.

Great observation, and a very good point. Couples are too afraid to show their true feelings and to talk about it. Talking about cheating is usually the final nail in the coffin. The partner that fesses up they have a desire to cheat is usually put on surveillance. If only things were so simple.

[seclark]

****ing is an Austrian village[3] in the municipality of Tarsdorf,[4] in the Innviertel region of western Upper Austria. The village is 33 kilometres (21 mi) north of Salzburg, 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) east of the German border.

Despite having a population of only 104, the village has become famous for its name in the English-speaking world. Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when they were modified to be theft-resistant.

Etymology

It is believed that the settlement was founded in the 6th century by Focko, a Bavarian nobleman. The existence of the village was documented for the first time in 1070 and historical records show that some twenty years later the lord was Adalpertus de Fucingin. The spelling of the name has evolved over the years; it is first recorded in historical sources with the spelling as Vucchingen in 1070, Fukching in 1303,[5] Fugkhing in 1532, and in the modern spelling ****ing in the 18th century,[6] which is pronounced with the vowel oo as in book.[2] The ending -ing is an old Germanic suffix indicating the people belonging to the root word to which it is attached, such as in the English word earthling; thus ****ing means "(place of) Focko’s people."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****ing,_Austria

FAX
we get the f@cking point.
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[Mr. Flopnuts]

Fucking is an Austrian village[3] in the municipality of Tarsdorf,[4] in the Innviertel region of western Upper Austria. The village is 33 kilometres (21 mi) north of Salzburg, 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) east of the German border.

Despite having a population of only 104, the village has become famous for its name in the English-speaking world. Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when they were modified to be theft-resistant.

Etymology

It is believed that the settlement was founded in the 6th century by Focko, a Bavarian nobleman. The existence of the village was documented for the first time in 1070 and historical records show that some twenty years later the lord was Adalpertus de Fucingin. The spelling of the name has evolved over the years; it is first recorded in historical sources with the spelling as Vucchingen in 1070, Fukching in 1303,[5] Fugkhing in 1532, and in the modern spelling Fucking in the 18th century,[6] which is pronounced with the vowel oo as in book.[2] The ending -ing is an old Germanic suffix indicating the people belonging to the root word to which it is attached, such as in the English word earthling; thus Fucking means "(place of) Focko’s people."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria

FAX

Cool little place. I've never been there but I've seen pictures, and seen it on TV. How cool would it be to say "Meet me at the Fucking cafe"? Or maybe, "I'll be at the Fucking library". My favorite would be "There is nothing worse than the Fucking police".

[RedNFeisty]

Women are the same as men? Okay, then I guess I'm different.

When it comes to cheating, no women are no different, imo. Ask the scarlet's in Hollywood. With beauty comes options, with options comes availability, with availability comes temptation. In most cases, temptation leads to cheating.

[RedNFeisty]

****ing is an Austrian village[3] in the municipality of Tarsdorf,[4] in the Innviertel region of western Upper Austria. The village is 33 kilometres (21 mi) north of Salzburg, 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) east of the German border.

Despite having a population of only 104, the village has become famous for its name in the English-speaking world. Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when they were modified to be theft-resistant.

Etymology

It is believed that the settlement was founded in the 6th century by Focko, a Bavarian nobleman. The existence of the village was documented for the first time in 1070 and historical records show that some twenty years later the lord was Adalpertus de Fucingin. The spelling of the name has evolved over the years; it is first recorded in historical sources with the spelling as Vucchingen in 1070, Fukching in 1303,[5] Fugkhing in 1532, and in the modern spelling ****ing in the 18th century,[6] which is pronounced with the vowel oo as in book.[2] The ending -ing is an old Germanic suffix indicating the people belonging to the root word to which it is attached, such as in the English word earthling; thus ****ing means "(place of) Focko’s people."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****ing,_Austria

FAX

Too funny, leave it to FAX. LMAO


Does that mean the town is a free for all, though??

[Bugeater]

Fucking is an Austrian village[3] in the municipality of Tarsdorf,[4] in the Innviertel region of western Upper Austria. The village is 33 kilometres (21 mi) north of Salzburg, 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) east of the German border.

Despite having a population of only 104, the village has become famous for its name in the English-speaking world. Its road signs are a popular visitor attraction, and were often stolen by souvenir-hunting tourists until 2005, when they were modified to be theft-resistant.

Etymology

It is believed that the settlement was founded in the 6th century by Focko, a Bavarian nobleman. The existence of the village was documented for the first time in 1070 and historical records show that some twenty years later the lord was Adalpertus de Fucingin. The spelling of the name has evolved over the years; it is first recorded in historical sources with the spelling as Vucchingen in 1070, Fukching in 1303,[5] Fugkhing in 1532, and in the modern spelling Fucking in the 18th century,[6] which is pronounced with the vowel oo as in book.[2] The ending -ing is an old Germanic suffix indicating the people belonging to the root word to which it is attached, such as in the English word earthling; thus Fucking means "(place of) Focko’s people."[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria

FAX
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[FAX]

Cool little place. I've never been there but I've seen pictures, and seen it on TV. How cool would it be to say "Meet me at the ****ing cafe"? Or maybe, "I'll be at the ****ing library". My favorite would be "There is nothing worse than the ****ing police".

It sure seems nice.

Apparently, the local citizens once debated a name change but the Fucking Mayor said it would be best for all concerned if we just keep Fucking. Smart guy.

FAX

[seclark]

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looks like if you're coming from the east, you get haid before you get f@cking.
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[FAX]

looks like if you're coming from the east, you get haid before you get f@cking.
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Yep. You go through Haid, take a left at Handjob and you're there.

FAX

[bowener]

Marriage should be a contract limited to 3 years. At the end of 3 years you, as a couple, should have the ability to draw up a new contract or renew the old one. If you can agree that strange should be added to the sexual side of your relationship, then add that to the new contract. If you do not wish to remain married just allow the contract to end. A built in divorce for every marriage... if you so choose.

[luv]

Marriage should be a contract limited to 3 years. At the end of 3 years you, as a couple, should have the ability to draw up a new contract or renew the old one. If you can agree that strange should be added to the sexual side of your relationship, then add that to the new contract. If you do not wish to remain married just allow the contract to end. A built in divorce for every marriage... if you so choose.

Why even get married?

[siberian khatru]

Yep. You go through Haid, take a left at Handjob and you're there.

FAX

Do Anna Lingus and her sister Connie live there?

[BigRichard]

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Yeah, and if your down south you are in Wolfing. I hear it is a hairy bitch there.

[BigRichard]

Yeah, and if your down south you are in Wolfing. I hear it is a hairy bitch there.

I hear the Wolfing ladies are very pale because they hate to sunbathe.

[Frazod]

Note to self: If ever in Austria, send postcard to inlaws from Fucking. LMAO

[seclark]

Note to self: If ever in Austria, send postcard to inlaws from ****ing. LMAO

"enjoying f@cking. wish you were here!"
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[BucEyedPea]

this should be interesting

LMAO I wonder why?

[bowener]

Why even get married?

Why indeed? Over 50% end in divorce now. Might as well build the divorce into it so it doesn't cost you any extra. Its not like I am seriously proposing this be done.

[BucEyedPea]

True story. Ex employee of a friend and her husband are/were swingers. Their relationship fell apart because the husband was not sleeping with a woman.

It's still jealousy. I know a couple who were and it didn't survive. He was a chiro of mine. Even got his wife huge breast implants and had them redone after she nursed 4 of his children. They didn't last because of jealousy. Oh! And his parents were even swingers. He learned it from Mom and Dad. Can you believe it?

[BucEyedPea]

No, there is a biological component to it.

I actually agree with you on this. Shocker! I Think it's men that are more wired this way. I think it was a survival instinct at one time. This way the woman always knew who the father of his children were.

[Inspector]

I used to have a desk made of monogamy. I prefer oak though.

[cdcox]

No, there is a biological component to it.

Just like there is a biological component in favor of monogamy: jealousy and feelings of attachment.

Biology pulls us both ways.

[BucEyedPea]

Just like there is a biological component in favor of monogamy: jealousy and feelings of attachment.

Biology pulls us both ways.

I'd be interested to see something showing biology favors monogamy. I think it doesn't. I think it stems from other things beyond our bodies alone.
I think men think about sex much more often than women as a whole and visualize having it with more than a few of the women they encounter.
Doesn't mean they'd act on it. Not acting on it means we can control our biology.

[stevieray]

talkin 'bout the girls we've seen on the sly
just to tell our souls we're still the young lions

[teedubya]

Why indeed? Over 50% end in divorce now. Might as well build the divorce into it so it doesn't cost you any extra. Its not like I am seriously proposing this be done.

Yeah, and the REST end in the DEATH. Marriage... there is NO WAY OUT ALIVE!!

[BucEyedPea]

Yeah, and the REST end in the DEATH. Marriage... there is NO WAY OUT ALIVE!!

I bet if marriage wasn't defined as is in the Bible... then all the handsome dudes like me, would have many wives... and the ugly dudes wouldn't have any.

Thus, it's my assumption that ugly dudes invented marriage. heh.

Wouldn't the ugly dudes get to have at it with the ugly womenz?

[teedubya]

I bet if marriage wasn't defined as is in the Bible... then all the handsome dudes like me, would have many wives... and the ugly dudes wouldn't have any.

Thus, it's my assumption that ugly dudes invented marriage. heh.

[teedubya]

Wouldn't the ugly dudes get to have at it with the ugly womenz?

Well, the good looking dudes would take a couple ugly ones, too, I'm sure.

The ugly dudes, just get to go to war against the enemies, I guess.

[BucEyedPea]

Well, the good looking dudes would take a couple ugly ones, too, I'm sure.

The ugly dudes, just get to go to war against the enemies, I guess.

I see. Well ya' know, I've seen some douchey males with hot womenz.

[Demonpenz]

Dude, if you could, you would. "Bored with it", "football interests me more than sex", LOL. There's something wrong with you.

Demongame....... clay's in good shape. All he needs to do is show his 6 pack and girls online will flock to them. Then there is time and energy involved. Pussy Value is at an all time high and the amount of workand effort into managing the pussy is very very high. Get some lube jack yourself off with alternate hands to really satisfy yourself. Then go about your day. Then try to be on your path. Good for ole GoChiefs. Now he just needs to stop getting into dumb fights and start applying for internships or something. he loves and has a gift of editing. go get it!

[Frazod]

I used to have a desk made of monogamy. I prefer oak though.

I tree what you did there.

[stevieray]

I tree what you did there.

hey! you woodchucks!! quit chucking my desk!!!

[cdcox]

I'd be interested to see something showing biology favors monogamy. I think it doesn't. I think it stems from other things beyond our bodies alone.
I think men think about sex much more often than women as a whole and visualize having it with more than a few of the women they encounter.
Doesn't mean they'd act on it. Not acting on it means we can control our biology.

If there were no jealosy and we didn't form emotional attachments to those we are intimate with, we would be a 100% polygomous species. The fact that we have always had some individuals who are polygomous while others are monogomous is a clear indication that our biology pulls us both ways.

[Hammock Parties]

At this point, I've developed an Al Bundy philosophy towards women. The last thing I need is another one of the damned things driving me crazy.

Join the club.

http://www.bundyology.com/nomaam2.jpg

[keg in kc]

I practice Nonogamy.

[FAX]

I practice Nonogamy.

Beats the heck out of Bozonogamy, Mr. keg in kc.

It's hard to love a clown.

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[Demonpenz]

Beats the heck out of Bozonogamy, Mr. keg in kc.

It's hard to love a clown.

FAX

oh the beautiful and funny mr fax

[keg in kc]

Beats the heck out of Bozonogamy, Mr. keg in kc.

It's hard to love a clown.

FAXI love a clown all the time.

Or at least I box one.

[BucEyedPea]

If there were no jealosy and we didn't form emotional attachments to those we are intimate with, we would be a 100% polygomous species. The fact that we have always had some individuals who are polygomous while others are monogomous is a clear indication that our biology pulls us both ways.

I thought it was mostly primitive and ancient societies that were polygamous or polyandrous?
In less advanced times, like pastoral times, it's easier to be polygamous but later when economics advanced only a few practiced it as it strains the resources of men. It's quite expensive, so it was mainly
kings and the wealthy that practiced it where it was allowed. ( or concubinage) Having more than one wife was a sign of power and wealth. Also, some primitive societies held property in common which is another reason there were multiple sexual mates. Interestingly enough, this is why it is favored among Marxists, as in everyone's wife belongs to all. In other situations it was due to the scarcity of males, arising from wars or too many female births. So I would conclude that the arrangement is economic and survival while men still have a biological urge to mate with other women even if they don't act on it. One is relies on analytical reasoning in order to survive the other biological.

[alnorth]

The reason for Monogamy is jealousy. That is not a negative comment, its the simple truth.

Even if you love someone but also have a complete lack of jealousy, you can make all the "hey I love you, but I don't mind, if you are happy then I'm happy, and you should feel the same way" arguments you want, but if your partner doesn't feel the same deep inside, you won't convince or argue the jealousy out of them. If you want an open relationship, you are limited to the very few people in the world (which doesn't include me) that have a similar lack of jealousy.

The reason for monogamy is simple, and not nearly as interesting or complex as the reason for marriage. "why do we have marriage" is a separate question. (ie you can love and marry someone but also both not be monogamous)

[teedubya]

If there were no jealosy and we didn't form emotional attachments to those we are intimate with, we would be a 100% polygomous species. The fact that we have always had some individuals who are polygomous while others are monogomous is a clear indication that our biology pulls us both ways.

If you go Both Ways... don't feel ashamed, CD... it may be your nature.

[Gadzooks]

A huge part of monogamy is deliberately limiting your opportunity. If you choose not to deliberately limit your opportunity, you are choosing to fail and monogamy. It's not hard. If you choose not to try, that's your thing.

If you always go out to the bar with friends instead of going home to your wife and kids, you are choosing to make monogamy hard. While you are out at the bar, if you choose to be your buddy's "wingman", you are choosing to make monogamy hard. While you are wingman, if you choose to engage in flirting, you are choosing to make monogamy hard.

You can choose not to do any of those things, and that make monogamy easy.

In order to increase my chances at monogamy, I went to the extent of growing a massive gut. I also cut my face but that backfired cause the scar turned the chicks on even more.

[Mr. Plow]

Choices....choices.....


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[Imon Yourside]

Ya baby if it feels good do it, No wonder this nation is going down the tubes. You can justify anything and it will be ok.

[Skyy God]

Choices....choices.....


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I always suspected monogamy was more expensive.

[tooge]

If there were no jealosy and we didn't form emotional attachments to those we are intimate with, we would be a 100% polygomous species. The fact that we have always had some individuals who are polygomous while others are monogomous is a clear indication that our biology pulls us both ways.

I would bet that if the major religions didn't tell us that we are going to hell if we commit adultery, then most would be polygamous

[Skyy God]

I would bet that if the major religions didn't tell us that we are going to hell if we commit adultery, then most would be polygamous

Most, no. There still would be relatively few men that could afford multiple wives.

China better check into polyandry if the male/female imbalance continues, however.

[Imon Yourside]

I would bet that if the major religions didn't tell us that we are going to hell if we commit adultery, then most would be polygamous

It's a bummer to have rules isn't it?

[Brock]

It's a bummer to have rules isn't it?

You've never committed adultery i.e. unmarried sex?

[LiveSteam]

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do they have a town called Fisting ?

[BIG_DADDY]

I always suspected monogamy was more expensive.

LMAO, Now that's funny right there.

[mnchiefsguy]

You've never committed adultery i.e. unmarried sex?

Adultery is when a married person has sex with someone other than their husband/wife. Unmarried sex is just plain old fornication.

[Brock]

Adultery is when a married person has sex with someone other than their husband/wife. Unmarried sex is just plain old fornication.

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/adultery.html

[Imon Yourside]

You've never committed adultery i.e. unmarried sex?

I've never cheated on my wife or before that a girlfriend, therefore the monogamy.

[Brock]

I've never cheated on my wife or before that a girlfriend, therefore the monogamy.

"Cheating" is not the definition of adultery as far as scripture is concerned. I assume that's the one you're applying to others, since you apparently agree that everyone who does it is going to hell.

[Imon Yourside]

"Cheating" is not the definition of adultery as far as scripture is concerned. I assume that's the one you're applying to others, since you apparently agree that everyone who does it is going to hell.

No that doesn't send you to hell, failure to realise it's a sin and not begging forgiveness is what sends you to hell. What I am saying is the fact it's just accepted is the slippery slope.

[Norman Einstein]

I prefer monogamy. Too lazy too seek multiple partners. Pain in the ****ing ass. Be nice to find one girl to bang regularly.

Bored with it, just as was figured years back. You are gay.

[Groves]

No that doesn't send you to hell, failure to realise it's a sin and not begging forgiveness is what sends you to hell. What I am saying is the fact it's just accepted is the slippery slope.

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[Extra Point]

Whether or not you're married, if you don't work at a relationship, the relationship won't work. The key is reducing expectations, after finding someone who puts up with your shit.

[tooge]

No that doesn't send you to hell, failure to realise it's a sin and not begging forgiveness is what sends you to hell. What I am saying is the fact it's just accepted is the slippery slope.

really? cool. So let me get this straight. I'm married, and haven't ever cheated on my wife. However, thanks to KK logic, I can now go knock the bottom out of every pussy this side of St. Louis, and as long as I realize it's wrong, and as long as I pray for forgiveness, God is cool with it? Nice. Time to get the old ostrich boots back out of storage.