Pioli's Big Board [Archive]

ForeverChiefs58

02-11-2011, 03:36 PM

Hammock Parties

02-11-2011, 03:38 PM

Justin Houston FTW.

Tribal Warfare

02-11-2011, 03:55 PM

My gut feeling is it's going to be Phil Taylor , because Pioli's philosophy of DL/OL in general.

BPA would be Houston though.

Chiefnj2

02-11-2011, 04:04 PM

He eliminates Von Miller as not fitting KC's scheme?

The author apparently doesn't have much of a clue.

AndChiefs

02-11-2011, 04:09 PM

He eliminates Von Miller as not fitting KC's scheme?

The author apparently doesn't have much of a clue.

Wow took the words straight out of my mouth. Von Miller played in a 3-4 at A&M and would be a great fit.

That being said...he certainly belonged in the will likely be picked before #21 column.

cabletech94

02-11-2011, 04:13 PM

76. Luke Stocker | 6'6, 240 pounds | TE | Tennessee - interviewed By Chiefs

uh-oh.

Dante84

02-11-2011, 04:16 PM

If someone who knows what they are doing put this together, it would be really great.

Then you rank the remaining candidates based on a combination of talent, leadership ability, stats, measurables, the talent they faced in college.... anything I'm leaving out?

You would have a legitimate "Chiefs board" that might resemble the real one.

milkman

02-11-2011, 04:32 PM

My gut feeling is it's going to be Phil Taylor , because Pioli's philosophy of DL/OL in general.

BPA would be Houston though.

So, you're expanding your whipering skills to Scott Pioli now?

Stick to what you've already proven your idiocy on.

No need to further prove your idiocy.

ModSocks

02-11-2011, 04:41 PM

He eliminates Von Miller as not fitting KC's scheme?

The author apparently doesn't have much of a clue.

Pretty much right where i stopped reading.

Hammock Parties

02-11-2011, 05:52 PM

Von Miller doesn't fit our scheme because the NE 3-4 typically employs bigger OLB. I doubt the Chiefs pick him. He's 243 lbs.

Tribal Warfare

02-11-2011, 05:57 PM

Von Miller doesn't fit our scheme because the NE 3-4 typically employs bigger OLB. I doubt the Chiefs pick him. He's 243 lbs.

238 at the Senior Bowl

the Talking Can

02-11-2011, 06:08 PM

eh, it's a smart way to look at the players even if he's wrong about Miller...

but we really have no clue who they'll draft...a CB or RB in the first 3 rounds could happen

WebGem

02-11-2011, 07:09 PM

17. Mike Pouncey | 6'5, 320 pounds | G/C | Florida

MP FTW

DeezNutz

02-11-2011, 07:49 PM

MP FTW

Most everything I've seen and read indicate that he'll be a guard, which we don't need.

milkman

02-11-2011, 08:05 PM

Most everything I've seen and read indicate that he'll be a guard, which we don't need.

I like Jon Asomoah, and I like what Ryan Lilja brings to the table in terms of mobility.

I think Asomoah can bring some of that same mobility, and he can get stronger, to be a more effective guard in the power run game in short yardage situations than we have at this point, but Lija is maxed out in that.

I wouldn't use a first round pick on a guard, but we can certainly improve.

talastan

02-12-2011, 11:00 AM

kcchiefsus

02-12-2011, 12:05 PM

Most everything I've seen and read indicate that he'll be a guard, which we don't need.

We don't need? It's not a 1st round need but a guard is most certainly a need.

DeezNutz

02-12-2011, 12:13 PM

I like Jon Asomoah, and I like what Ryan Lilja brings to the table in terms of mobility.

I think Asomoah can bring some of that same mobility, and he can get stronger, to be a more effective guard in the power run game in short yardage situations than we have at this point, but Lija is maxed out in that.

I wouldn't use a first round pick on a guard, but we can certainly improve.

If there's value late in the draft (5-7), I'm on board. Value and need should suggest we go other directions early, IMO.

Saccopoo

02-12-2011, 12:15 PM

We don't need? It's not a 1st round need but a guard is most certainly a need.

Why? We've got Waters coming off a Pro-Bowl, Lilja is a very effective guy, Asamoah looks promising and Albert should be a great guard when he's given the chance this next season.

Four quality guys for two positions? I don't see that as a so much of a need.

Saccopoo

02-12-2011, 12:22 PM

You know what's really odd about this list? That the only first round potential guys that were theoretically interviewed by the Chiefs at the Senior Bowl were two offensive linemen (Costanzo and Watkins) and a potential defensive end (Jordan). And then the second round guys were also offensive linemen and another defensive end. (O'Dowd, Pinkston and Ballard.)

It's to the trenches boys! You win the game in the trenches.

However, I was excited about the fact that they also spoke to Devine and Jock Sanders. We are going to be like a swarm of angry bees on the field with a bunch of 5'7" scat backs all over the place. Did anyone hear if they spoke with Jacquizz Rogers as well? *crosses fingers*

Hammock Parties

02-12-2011, 12:23 PM

Lilja and Waters got bitchslapped as much as anyone on the line this year, Sac.

WebGem

02-12-2011, 01:42 PM

Most everything I've seen and read indicate that he'll be a guard, which we don't need.

That post had nothing to do with the Chiefs, he's just a legend.

Saccopoo

02-12-2011, 02:00 PM

Lilja and Waters got bitchslapped as much as anyone on the line this year, Sac.

Hmmm...so we've got two unproven, but potentially talented guards in Albert and Asamoah and two other guys who have large and numerous cubic zirconia indentations on their cheeks...

You know, I thought that Asamoah played left tackle better than anyone else when he stepped in for Albert this past season. Maybe we should just have those two switch positions. Asamoah can start at left tackle and Albert can be the rotational backup player on the line taking unrestricted free agent Seamus O'Murphy's role. Then we can draft a right tackle, center and a guard.

The line would look like:

LT: Asamoah
LG: Lilja
C: Draftee
RG: Draftee
RT: Draftee

Our draft would be something like:

1. Gabe Carimi, OT; Wisconsin
2. Rod Hudson, OG; Florida State
3. Austin Pettis, WR; Boise State
4. Zane Taylor, C; Utah
5. Ian Williams, NT; Notre Dame
5. Tom Keiser, OLB; Stanford
6. Scott Tolzien, QB; Wisconsin
7. Robert Hughes, FB; Notre Dame

Shit...this started out being facetious, but that's actually a pretty nice draft for the Chiefs. Really nice. Nope. Not a single complaint if that's how the draft ended up for reals.

RustShack

02-12-2011, 02:19 PM

Jesus Christ Sac. Die.

Bewbies

02-12-2011, 02:26 PM

Albert is a terrible run blocker/Sac
He'll be a great G/Sac

Those don't seem to line up in my mind....

Saccopoo

02-12-2011, 03:48 PM

Albert is a terrible run blocker/Sac
He'll be a great G/Sac

Those don't seem to line up in my mind....

It's why I have him as the rotational backup now versus starting on the line.

Hammock Parties

02-12-2011, 04:04 PM

You know, I thought that Asamoah played left tackle better than anyone else when he stepped in for Albert this past season.

Asamoah never played left tackle this year.

You are talking out your ass.

BossChief

02-12-2011, 04:13 PM

I thought when Albert went out that Richardson played LT...

Hammock Parties

02-12-2011, 04:14 PM

I thought when Albert went out that Richardson played LT...

Yep, and it was a disaster.

SAUTO

02-12-2011, 04:35 PM

He may be thinking about the big unit. Three tackles.
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DaneMcCloud

02-12-2011, 05:00 PM

Why? We've got Waters coming off a Pro-Bowl, Lilja is a very effective guy, Asamoah looks promising and Albert should be a great guard when he's given the chance this next season.

Four quality guys for two positions? I don't see that as a so much of a need.

LMAO

salame

02-12-2011, 07:07 PM

Gabe Carimi is a bad ass

milkman

02-12-2011, 08:19 PM

Asamoah never played left tackle this year.

You are talking out your ass.

And this fucking idiot has the balls to talk about the line, like he's even watching.

Saccopoo

02-13-2011, 01:58 AM

Oh, sure, you remember the game. Albert went down with some form of suckitis, and Asamoah was inserted at the LT spot. It might have only been a couple of series, but he looked solid out there. I remember commenting on how nice it was to have competent left tackle play for a change. Got up out of the blocks nice, got his hands extended and into his guy, moved his feet well. I thought it was one of the season's real highlights.

Brock

02-13-2011, 11:15 AM

ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins

02-13-2011, 11:39 AM

I've never seen such an obsession with a late round prospect (Zane Taylor) in my entire life.

SAUTO

02-13-2011, 11:50 AM

I've never seen such an obsession with a late round prospect (Zane Taylor) in my entire life.

I don't know if I would go that far.

Epic battles the last couple of years over some fifth to seventh rounders
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RealSNR

02-13-2011, 11:57 AM

I've never seen such an obsession with a late round prospect (Zane Taylor) in my entire life.Yep. Boss Chief and Ricky Stanzi was about as good as it got I thought.

Nope.

tyton75

02-13-2011, 12:08 PM

my 2 cents is Pioli will try to take the best player available regardless of position.. whether its a need or not...

we have Zero quality depth at most positions, which I believe he regards as a need as much as any particular position

KCrockaholic

02-13-2011, 12:10 PM

Oh, sure, you remember the game. Albert went down with some form of suckitis, and Asamoah was inserted at the LT spot. It might have only been a couple of series, but he looked solid out there. I remember commenting on how nice it was to have competent left tackle play for a change. Got up out of the blocks nice, got his hands extended and into his guy, moved his feet well. I thought it was one of the season's real highlights.

No. Which game was it, precisely?

Saccopoo

02-13-2011, 01:07 PM

I've never seen such an obsession with a late round prospect (Zane Taylor) in my entire life.

I was just as high on Matt Tennant last year. Probably even higher. I felt Tennant would be absolutely perfect for the zone system Haley runs.

However, I do think Taylor is going to end up a solid pro.

Pasta Little Brioni

02-13-2011, 01:10 PM

So, you're expanding your whipering skills to Scott Pioli now?

Stick to what you've already proven your idiocy on.

No need to further prove your idiocy.

ROFL

Saccopoo

02-13-2011, 01:11 PM

No. Which game was it, precisely?

That one game, where we didn't have anyone to play the spare tackle (O'Murphy was also out with perhaps the same suckitis ailment) and Asamoah played a couple of series at LT. I think Albert lost his jock on one play from getting juked out of it by some marginal defensive end and had to go to the locker room and put a new one on.

Actually, I can't remember who they were playing, but it was earlier in the season versus later.

Pasta Little Brioni

02-13-2011, 01:15 PM

I don't know if I would go that far.

Epic battles the last couple of years over some fifth to seventh rounders
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Yep, the great Jamon Meredith ring a bell? How dare Pioli pass on such a talent ROFL

Green Bay Packers Meredith was selected in the fifth round, No. 162 overall, by the Green Bay Packers.

Meredith was released on September 5, 2009 and re-signed to the team's practice squad.

Buffalo Bills Meredith was signed off the Green Bay Packers' practice squad by the Buffalo Bills on September 22, 2009 after offensive tackle Brad Butler suffered a season-ending injury.[5]

He was waived on October 4, 2010.

Detroit Lions He was claimed by the Detroit Lions on October 5, 2010. He was waived on October 17.

New York Giants On October 18, 2010, the New York Giants claimed Meredith off waivers.[6]

slapnutz_4

02-13-2011, 02:23 PM

it was waters who moved to left tackle and asamoah came in and played guard.... and dwight freeney is a little better than marginal

RealSNR

02-13-2011, 02:28 PM

it was waters who moved to left tackle and asamoah came in and played guardThis makes more sense. I've seen them do this before.

bowener

02-13-2011, 03:33 PM

it was waters who moved to left tackle and asamoah came in and played guard
holy shit
ROFL

the Talking Can

02-13-2011, 04:25 PM

That one game, where we didn't have anyone to play the spare tackle (O'Murphy was also out with perhaps the same suckitis ailment) and Asamoah played a couple of series at LT. I think Albert lost his jock on one play from getting juked out of it by some marginal defensive end and had to go to the locker room and put a new one on.

Actually, I can't remember who they were playing, but it was earlier in the season versus later.

you remember with great accuracy and detail how well he played at LT

but you also have absolutely no idea who he was playing against

is what you're saying?

RustShack

02-13-2011, 05:37 PM

Oh, sure, you remember the game. Albert went down with some form of suckitis, and Asamoah was inserted at the LT spot. It might have only been a couple of series, but he looked solid out there. I remember commenting on how nice it was to have competent left tackle play for a change. Got up out of the blocks nice, got his hands extended and into his guy, moved his feet well. I thought it was one of the season's real highlights.

Asamoah isn't number 54 you douche.

RustShack

02-13-2011, 05:39 PM

We have had three people line up at LT. Albert, Richardson, and Waters. Asomoah did get some snaps when you are thinking of, just not at the position you are thinking of. So I have a hard time believing you were really paying any attention to the line, or that you know anything about an offensive line.

Hammock Parties

02-13-2011, 05:47 PM

I bet Saccoignorance saw Asamoah playing tight end and thought he was at left tackle....

RealSNR

02-13-2011, 06:22 PM

I bet Saccoignorance saw Asamoah playing tight end and thought he was at left tackle....Wait... Asamoah plays TE? Now I'm really confused

RustShack

02-13-2011, 06:27 PM

Wait... Asamoah plays TE? Now I'm really confused

He doesn't play TE, but he has lined up there as an extra blocker.

SAUTO

02-13-2011, 07:42 PM

I bet Saccoignorance saw Asamoah playing tight end and thought he was at left tackle....

I already said this.look up a couple of posts
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Saccopoo

02-13-2011, 08:59 PM

Hmmmm...I don't know. I was pretty sure it was Asamoah out there. It might have just been a case where they snapped the ball and Waters was still stuck in a three point stance as the play commenced and Asamoah basically ended up playing the left tackle position by default.

Bewbies

02-13-2011, 09:11 PM

Hmmmm...I don't know. I was pretty sure it was Asamoah out there. It might have just been a case where they snapped the ball and Waters was still stuck in a three point stance as the play commenced and Asamoah basically ended up playing the left tackle position by default.

LMAO

BossChief

02-13-2011, 09:13 PM

I've never seen such an obsession with a late round prospect (Zane Taylor) in my entire life.
jake oconnell
Yep. Boss Chief and Ricky Stanzi was about as good as it got I thought.

Nope.
wanna make a bet he goes before the third round is over?
I bet Saccoignorance saw Asamoah playing tight end and thought he was at left tackle....
HE WAS SEALING THE EDGE!!!!
Hmmmm...I don't know. I was pretty sure it was Asamoah out there. It might have just been a case where they snapped the ball and Waters was still stuck in a three point stance as the play commenced and Asamoah basically ended up playing the left tackle position by default.
LOL

Hammock Parties

02-13-2011, 09:15 PM

Sac has been weighed, measured and found wanting.....

....a left tackle.

milkman

02-13-2011, 09:28 PM

Hmmmm...I don't know. I was pretty sure it was Asamoah out there. It might have just been a case where they snapped the ball and Waters was still stuck in a three point stance as the play commenced and Asamoah basically ended up playing the left tackle position by default.

LMAO

Holy shit!

You're actually going to try to sell that.

LMAO

RealSNR

02-13-2011, 09:41 PM

wanna make a bet he goes before the third round is over?
I think he could crack the 3rd round. There are a bunch of QBs in this draft who would normally fall in the 3rd-5th rounds, but do to the plethora of mediocre talent in this draft, they'll creep into the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Stanzi is a guy with tools and experience, so I figure he'll be at the top of those lists to get snatched up early.

Brock

02-14-2011, 10:42 AM

Hmmmm...I don't know. I was pretty sure it was Asamoah out there. It might have just been a case where they snapped the ball and Waters was still stuck in a three point stance as the play commenced and Asamoah basically ended up playing the left tackle position by default.

ROFL

Bowser

02-14-2011, 12:45 PM

That was awesome when they put Asomoah in at fullback and let him carry it in for the TD!

Bewbies

02-14-2011, 12:46 PM

That was awesome when they put Asomoah in at fullback and let him carry it in for the TD!

I was more impressed with the pick 6 Asomoah got in the Titans game right before the half. That iced the game right there.

BigCatDaddy

02-14-2011, 01:31 PM

I was more impressed with the pick 6 Asomoah got in the Titans game right before the half. That iced the game right there.

What about that field goal he kicked it OT to beat the Bills!

Dante84

02-14-2011, 02:53 PM

Kordell "Slash" Asomoah?

Pretty much the most versatile player in the past ten years.

WebGem

02-14-2011, 05:34 PM

Justin Houston FTW.

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DaneMcCloud

02-14-2011, 05:41 PM

Yep, the great Jamon Meredith ring a bell? How dare Pioli pass on such a talent ROFL

Why do you think that's funny?

Colin Brown, Pioli's 5th round pick isn't on the team anymore, either.

KCrockaholic

02-16-2011, 11:11 PM

I've done some research on the shit Sac was pulling out of his ass about Asamoah....

And after further review, Asamoah played zero snaps at LT, BUT he played 12 snaps as the TIGHT END on the LEFT side in our power running formation, also known as "Tackle Over" formation.

ForeverChiefs58

02-17-2011, 09:36 AM

Von Miller doesn't fit our scheme because the NE 3-4 typically employs bigger OLB. I doubt the Chiefs pick him. He's 243 lbs.

I think he is being looked at what they had him play at senior bowl which is 4-3 weak side. Some "experts" say he is too small for OLB in a 3-4.

Nightfyre

02-17-2011, 11:27 AM

I've done some research on the shit Sac was pulling out of his ass about Asamoah....

And after further review, Asamoah played zero snaps at LT, BUT he played 12 snaps as the TIGHT END on the LEFT side in our power running formation, also known as "Tackle Over" formation.

How many of those heavy formation plays were pass plays?

BigCatDaddy

02-17-2011, 11:50 AM

How many of those heavy formation plays were pass plays?

Probably 1 or 2 by the goal line would be my guess.

Nightfyre

02-17-2011, 01:02 PM

Just confirming this instance of sacc dumbassery to the fullest extent possible. :p

KCrockaholic

02-17-2011, 09:50 PM

How many of those heavy formation plays were pass plays?

I believe it was 1. He wasn't even in on the reverse pass against the 49ers to Bowe. They had Richardson playing TE in that one.

Trevo_410

02-22-2011, 12:09 PM

guys,, im still not seeing phil taylor as being the type of character Pioli will go after... i would like him in our 3-4, but he's still not one of the "right 53". i still see us picking a olb; such as justin houston, akeem ayers. a wr; such as torrey smith. or a lineman in the first...

we could easily pick up a proven nt in FA once the cba is agreed upon..

aturnis

02-22-2011, 12:41 PM

guys,, im still not seeing phil taylor as being the type of character Pioli will go after... i would like him in our 3-4, but he's still not one of the "right 53". i still see us picking a olb; such as justin houston, akeem ayers. a wr; such as torrey smith. or a lineman in the first...

we could easily pick up a proven nt in FA once the cba is agreed upon..

So what exactly is this character concern you speak of? Getting in a fight at Penn State? Hardly something to worry about. Shaun Smith jacked Brady Quinn. Pioli didn't care about that did he? Some of you guys take this "right 53" stuff too far....

RustShack

02-22-2011, 08:08 PM

NT's are kind of an exception to most of our teams views.

BigRedChief

02-22-2011, 08:20 PM

We need a WR, OL, OLB. We should take the best value at those positions in the first 2 rounds.

KCrockaholic

02-22-2011, 11:35 PM

NT's are kind of an exception to most of our teams views.

Nose Tackles need to be nasty.

BossChief

02-23-2011, 01:44 AM

I would be almost willing to bet some serious money on the fact that this regime will give Studebaker his chance at the starting LOLB role next year before making any decision to invest anything significant into the position.

They have invested 2 years into the kid under the wing of Vrabel as well as recently re-signing him to a multiyear contract and I dont think for a second they would make a statement this soon of "we arent happy with Andy to the point that we are gonna invest a premium pick into his specific position.

I still think he can be a pretty damn good player in this defense and that in the limited times he was able to get on the field in a bigger role, the defense looked better for it.

Time will tell, as always.

...

I also wonder what kind of progress Sheffield has made toward recovery and if he will be able to contribute anything significant in the future. He looked like a possible stud in the senior bowl last year and I thought he had a legit chance at being a player, too.

Spending a first or second rounder on a player suited to play LOLB would be a sign that they dont feel either can be the guy we lean on in the coming years to man the position and I dont see that being the case at this point, maybe Im wrong.

jd1020

02-23-2011, 03:16 AM

I would be almost willing to bet some serious money on the fact that this regime will give Studebaker his chance at the starting LOLB role next year before making any decision to invest anything significant into the position.

They have invested 2 years into the kid under the wing of Vrabel as well as recently re-signing him to a multiyear contract and I dont think for a second they would make a statement this soon of "we arent happy with Andy to the point that we are gonna invest a premium pick into his specific position.

I still think he can be a pretty damn good player in this defense and that in the limited times he was able to get on the field in a bigger role, the defense looked better for it.

Time will tell, as always.

...

I also wonder what kind of progress Sheffield has made toward recovery and if he will be able to contribute anything significant in the future. He looked like a possible stud in the senior bowl last year and I thought he had a legit chance at being a player, too.

Spending a first or second rounder on a player suited to play LOLB would be a sign that they dont feel either can be the guy we lean on in the coming years to man the position and I dont see that being the case at this point, maybe Im wrong.

All valid points.

However, if we arent looking at OLB early on then I hate to think of what will happen if/when the Chiefs draft a LT and allow Asamoah to move back inside.

I really dont see many options outside of OLB, in the first, that wouldn't be an absolute stretch, assuming we can't trade down. Justin Houston is the closest thing to making sense. The WR's likely available arent worth the pick but if I had to choose between Baldwin/Smith I'd take Smith. There are no C's even remotely close to worthy. And don't get me started on T.

Maybe Pioli hops the fense and sprints home out of left field with a ???? pick.

MahiMike

02-23-2011, 07:04 PM

Pouncey please!

Bewbies

02-23-2011, 10:35 PM

Pouncey please!

:LOL:

ForeverChiefs58

02-25-2011, 05:26 PM

Mike Pouncey’s goals: Play center, get selected higher than his brother

The comparisons are inevitable: Mike Pouncey looks exactly like his brother Maurkice if you forget about the tattoos.

Their style of play isn’t as similar — depending on who you ask. Doug Farrar of Yahoo! Sports says Mike Pouncey is more of a piledriving guard than Maurkice, with unique power. Maurkice is more of a technician that seems to better handle the intricacies of the center position.

Mike doesn’t see it that way. He said Friday at the NFL Scouting Combine that he wants to play center at the next level. And he thinks he’s a lot like his twin brother.

“I think I block in the open field better, but like I said we’re the same player,” Pouncey said during an entertaining media session.

His goal is to get taken higher than No. 18 in the draft (where Maurkice was taken) or he’ll never hear the end of it. That goal seems rather high, but Mike says a few teams have told him he’s a better prospect than Maurkice. Most draft analysts disagree.

Pouncey confirmed he has met with Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh here. He’ll participate in all drills except for lifting and said that skipping the Senior Bowl was a “business decision.”

Steelers fans hoping for a Pouncey brothers combo platter shouldn’t get their hopes up yet, according to Mike.

“It’s not looking too good. But there’s free agency in the NFL.”

buddha

03-01-2011, 03:36 PM

I'd go with Pouncey, plug him in at center, and you're set there for a dozen years. He is so athletic and quick.