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Direckshun
02-24-2011, 11:27 AM
Or "how Colin Kaepernick becomes a first round sleeper."

Didn't see one started.

Kickers and punters show up today. Followed by offensive linemen, then offensive skill positions, then the defensive front seven, then the secondary.

Post any thoughts relating to all Combine developments here.

RealSNR
02-24-2011, 11:28 AM
I heard Kyle Brotzman missed the plane

The Franchise
02-24-2011, 11:31 AM
Anyone know of some streaming sites?

DaKCMan AP
02-24-2011, 11:33 AM
Anyone know of some streaming sites?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

Dayze
02-24-2011, 11:46 AM
Saturday:
Time Group Drill
9:00am 1 - OL,PK,ST 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 1 - OL,PK,ST Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 2 - OL 40-Yard Dash
10:45am 1 - OL,PK,ST Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 2 - OL Positional Skill Drills
11:45am 1 - OL,PK,ST Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
12:30pm 3 - TE 40-Yard Dash
12:30am 2 - OL Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
1:15pm 3 - TE Positional Skill Drills
1:30pm 2 - OL Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
2:15pm 3 - TE Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
3:00pm 3 - TE Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill


Sunday
Time Group Drill
9:00am 4 - QB, WO 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 4 - QB, WO Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 5 - QB, WO 40-Yard Dash
11:00am 4 - QB, WO Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 5 - QB, WO Positional Skill Drills
12:30pm 6 - RB 40-Yard Dash
12:30pm 5 - QB, WO Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
1:15pm 5 - QB, WO Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
1:30pm 6 - RB Positional Skill Drills
2:30pm 6 - RB Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
3:30pm 6 - RB Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill


Monday;
Time Group Drill
9:00am 7 - DL 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 7 - DL Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 8 - DL 40-Yard Dash
10:45am 7 - DL Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 8 - DL Positional Skill Drills
11:45am 7 - DL Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
12:15pm 8 - DL Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
12:30pm 9 - LB 40-Yard Dash
1:15pm 8 - DL Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
1:30pm 9 - LB Positional Skill Drills
2:30pm 9 - LB Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
3:15pm 9 - LB Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill

Tuesday
Time Group Drill
9:00am 10 - DB 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 10 - DB Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 11 - DB 40-Yard Dash
11:15am 10 - DB Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 11 - DB Positional Skill Drills
12:00pm 10 - DB Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
12:45pm 11 - DB Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
1:30pm 11 - DB Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill

LaDairis
02-24-2011, 11:51 AM
Let's see...

Do I

1) spend hours watching male athletes in shorts and tees lift, run, and turn, but not play football

or

2) should I wait a week and check the numbers...


HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

Dayze
02-24-2011, 12:18 PM
should I watch the Super Bowl?

or

shoud I wait until Monday morning to see the score.


JFC.

Bewbies
02-24-2011, 12:46 PM
Let's see...

Do I

1) spend hours watching male athletes in shorts and tees lift, run, and turn, but not play football

or

2) should I wait a week and check the numbers...


HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....

If you don't watch you'll never know who's results the jews have altered.

BigCatDaddy
02-24-2011, 12:58 PM
Let's see...

Do I

1) spend hours watching male athletes in shorts and tees lift, run, and turn, but not play football

or

2) should I wait a week and check the numbers...


HHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....



Number 1 seems more like something you would like.

HotRoute
02-24-2011, 02:04 PM
I like the combine and all, but if I was a GM I would trust game film more. It's more important than who can run/jump/bench the best.


"the eye in the sky doesn't lie"

Dante84
02-24-2011, 02:50 PM
Saturday:
Time Group Drill
9:00am 1 - OL,PK,ST 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 1 - OL,PK,ST Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 2 - OL 40-Yard Dash
10:45am 1 - OL,PK,ST Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 2 - OL Positional Skill Drills
11:45am 1 - OL,PK,ST Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
12:30am 2 - OL Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
1:30pm 2 - OL Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill



Sunday
Time Group Drill
9:00am 4 - QB, WO 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 4 - QB, WO Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 5 - QB, WO 40-Yard Dash
11:00am 4 - QB, WO Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 5 - QB, WO Positional Skill Drills
12:30pm 6 - RB 40-Yard Dash
12:30pm 5 - QB, WO Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
1:15pm 5 - QB, WO Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
1:30pm 6 - RB Positional Skill Drills
2:30pm 6 - RB Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
3:30pm 6 - RB Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill


Monday;
Time Group Drill
9:00am 7 - DL 40-Yard Dash
10:00am 7 - DL Positional Skill Drills
10:30am 8 - DL 40-Yard Dash
10:45am 7 - DL Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
11:30am 8 - DL Positional Skill Drills
11:45am 7 - DL Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
12:15pm 8 - DL Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
12:30pm 9 - LB 40-Yard Dash
1:15pm 8 - DL Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill
1:30pm 9 - LB Positional Skill Drills
2:30pm 9 - LB Vertical Leap & Broad Jump
3:15pm 9 - LB Three-Cone & Shuttle Drill


Bolded the areas where our needs lie.

Dayze
02-24-2011, 02:53 PM
Bolded the areas where our needs lie.

LMAO
indeed.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad
02-24-2011, 02:56 PM
any shirtless pics of Kenrick Ellis yet?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-24-2011, 05:30 PM
Stickied since it's a five day event.

Dante84
02-24-2011, 05:51 PM
LMAO
indeed.

:D

milkman
02-24-2011, 08:05 PM
I like the combine and all, but if I was a GM I would trust game film more. It's more important than who can run/jump/bench the best.


"the eye in the sky doesn't lie"

For the most part, I think that's what GMs do.

The combines might influence their decisions when they have two guys rated virtually equal.

Bewbies
02-24-2011, 11:54 PM
For the most part, I think that's what GMs do.

The combines might influence their decisions when they have two guys rated virtually equal.

Not to mention all the interviews you get to do. I'd bet those are more important that all the on the field stuff they do.

bowener
02-25-2011, 04:56 PM
If you don't watch you'll never know who's results the jews have altered.

This. You can't trust the zionist NFL these days.

bowener
02-25-2011, 05:01 PM
Ryan Bartholomew, C, Syracuse, 6'1" 302lbs:

Put up 34 bench reps (most so far). Expected to be a late round or UDFA.

Point of interest: He was a team captain.

I don't know anything about his playing abilities, anyone familiar have an assessment on him?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-25-2011, 07:59 PM
Gabbert was 6'4" and 3/8, 234 pounds with 10" hands
Newton was 6'5" 248 with 9 7/8" hands

No tiny hands jokes from Saccopoo this year.

bowener
02-25-2011, 10:57 PM
Gabbert was 6'4" and 3/8, 234 pounds with 10" hands
Newton was 6'5" 248 with 9 7/8" hands

No tiny hands jokes from Saccopoo this year.

When they measure hands, is it from wrist to tip of middle or is it from tip of thumb to outstretched tip of pinky (i.e. diagonal)?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-26-2011, 11:14 AM
Isaiah Thompson from Houston just run a 6.04 40.

We may have the first guy who Eisen can outrun.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-26-2011, 03:15 PM
Julio Jones, who was listed as 6'4" at Alabama, measured 6'2" and 3/4. That can't help someone who isn't a burner.

AJ Green only measured 6'3" and 5/8

Tribal Warfare
02-26-2011, 07:09 PM
Rodney Hudson really stuck out today with the agility drills

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-26-2011, 09:07 PM
During an interview in Indianapolis at the NFL combine on Thursday night, an unidentified team cracked the poise former Auburn quarterback Cam Newton (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27308/cam-newton) tried to display while meeting with the media Saturday, a league source said.



According to the source, an NFL assistant coach questioned Newton about why he disobeyed his coach's orders in the BCS National Championship Game. Newton ran a quarterback sneak toward the end of the game rather than take a knee as he was instructed.



Newton was not expecting the NFL to ask him about the incident and did not have a favorable reaction, according to league sources. He got defensive, sources said.


Asked about the interviews, Newton said, "Each and every team keeps you on your toes."


Newton has remained confident in the face of questions about his relationship with his father Cecil.


Cam has said his relationship with his father is good, months after a controversy involving Cecil called Cam's eligibility at Auburn into question.


The NCAA ruled in December that Cam was unaware of the pay-for-play scheme created by Cecil and the owner of a scouting service. Cecil Newton and Kenny Rogers -- a former Mississippi State player who worked for an agent -- sought money for the quarterback to play for the Bulldogs.


Newton said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine that the scrutiny helped he and his father become closer.


Newton won the Heisman Trophy and a national championship before declaring himself eligible for the NFL draft.

Adam Schefter is ESPN.com's NFL insider. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Reaper16
02-27-2011, 11:00 AM
My top D2 player in the draft, Edmund Gates (WR, Abilene Christian. Teammate of Johnny Knox and Bernard Scott, who were both drafted last year), ran a goddamned 4.35 in the 40. Wow, I thought he'd go 4.4. What's crazy is he's a player that is faster as he goes; his 60 yard might be tops in the whole draft.

He might be moving up to the bottom of the 2nd round at this rate. He's nailing his other drills too. Mid-2nd? This guy is fucking good.

Urc Burry
02-27-2011, 11:52 AM
Julio Jones is blowing up the combine...

Honestly wouldn't mind trading up ahead of the rams to take him

Wilson8
02-27-2011, 11:59 AM
Julio Jones, who was listed as 6'4" at Alabama, measured 6'2" and 3/4. That can't help someone who isn't a burner.

AJ Green only measured 6'3" and 5/8

I'd like to see Julio Jones's stock drop to the point he's an option for the Chiefs at 21. I don't think it is going to happen though. Jones ran a 4.43 and4.39 (hand timed) in the 40, 38.5 vertical, and 11.3 in the broad jump. Also only missed two catches in the passing drills. Instead of moving down, his stock probably moved up.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:02 PM
I'd like to see Julio Jones's stock drop to the point he's an option for the Chiefs at 21. I don't think it is going to happen though. Jones ran a 4.43 and4.39 (hand timed) in the 40, 38.5 vertical, and 11.3 in the broad jump. Also only missed two catches in the passing drills. Instead of moving down, his stock probably moved up.

Yeah. He disappointed with his size, but he moved into near burner territory. He's probably a top 10 pick now.

doomy3
02-27-2011, 12:04 PM
Jon Baldwin likely helped himself with his 40 time as well.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:10 PM
QB Official 40's are in:

Taylor ran a 4.52
Kaepernick ran a 4.53
Locker and Newton ran 4.59
Gabbert ran a 4.62

BossChief
02-27-2011, 12:10 PM
Hamas' guy Hankerson has improved his stock. I was impressed with his quickness for a larger guy...add to that his deep speed and if he interviews well he might fly up the boards.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:14 PM
Hankerson ran a 4.43. At this point, I'd be fine with taking him at 21. He's got amazing hands, he runs good routes, he was a very productive player, he did well at the Sr. Bowl, and he's got really good speed.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Hamas' guy Hankerson has improved his stock. I was impressed with his quickness for a larger guy...add to that his deep speed and if he interviews well he might fly up the boards.

I think he should be the guy at 21.

Urc Burry
02-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Haven't been watching the combine though...So has Hankerson jumped over Baldwin ?

Rams Fan
02-27-2011, 12:16 PM
Looks like Jones is going to be a Top 10 pick. Whatever team takes Baldwin, IMO, will regret it.

doomy3
02-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Hankerson ran a 4.43. At this point, I'd be fine with taking him at 21. He's got amazing hands, he runs good routes, he was a very productive player, he did well at the Sr. Bowl, and he's got really good speed.

Sounds good to me.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:17 PM
Stanzi put a ton of air under those deep balls.

milkman
02-27-2011, 12:22 PM
Hankerson ran a 4.43. At this point, I'd be fine with taking him at 21. He's got amazing hands, he runs good routes, he was a very productive player, he did well at the Sr. Bowl, and he's got really good speed.

Don't take much from these drills, but Hankerson didn't fare well in the drill earlier in which they run sideline to sideline and catch balls from both sides.

He dropped nearly every ball and let them get too close to his body.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:24 PM
Newton's footwork was really slow and sloppy and he sailed the shit out of those throws.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 12:25 PM
Don't take much from these drills, but Hankerson didn't fare well in the drill earlier in which they run sideline to sideline and catch balls from both sides.

He dropped nearly every ball and let them get too close to his body.

Missed the gauntlet drill. Good info. I know that he was hauling in everything @ the Sr. Bowl.

BossChief
02-27-2011, 12:33 PM
As Milk noted, I'm not worried about a few drops in a drill with a quarterback he has little experience with. That part I'll trust the film.

I still like Baldwin, but Hankerson closed the gap IMO.

KCrockaholic
02-27-2011, 12:53 PM
Any predictions on Ingram's 40?

Urc Burry
02-27-2011, 01:03 PM
high 4.4's low 4.5

KCrockaholic
02-27-2011, 01:13 PM
high 4.4's low 4.5

I bet it's 4.55

KCrockaholic
02-27-2011, 01:23 PM
4.58

Pretty much what I expected

Urc Burry
02-27-2011, 01:23 PM
ended up being 4.58 unofficial on his first attempt

..beat me haha, I do think Ingram will have a good career though

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 01:24 PM
4.58 for Ingram, and looked like he was running with a cobb up his ass. Nothing to be concerned about, he's a banger.

Urc Burry
02-27-2011, 01:27 PM
Is it just me but are these some slow fucking 40 times compared to other years?

KCrockaholic
02-27-2011, 01:27 PM
4.58 for Ingram, and looked like he was running with a cobb up his ass. Nothing to be concerned about, he's a banger.

Precisely. He could have run a 4.65 and it wouldn't be an issue. He's a workhorse type back with elite balance, that will rarely go down on first contact. His 40 doesn't necessarily matter.

Bewbies
02-27-2011, 01:32 PM
Feed me some antifreeze, but if for some reason Ingram was there with our 2nd round pick (no way in hell he will be) I'd be pretty interested in taking him.

Urc Burry
02-27-2011, 01:33 PM
Feed me some antifreeze, but if for some reason Ingram was there with our 2nd round pick (no way in hell he will be) I'd be pretty interested in taking him.

I would consider Ryan Williams if he was there in the second :shrug:

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 01:46 PM
Is it just me but are these some slow fucking 40 times compared to other years?

It's a slower RB class. Look at the QB times today.

The Lucas Oil field is probably .10-.15 slower than the RCA Dome was, so you can't compare it to times of several years ago.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 02:01 PM
It cracks me up when NFLN shows their combine entry video. When Gabbert closes the locker that represents the cut to main coverage, he has a massive dip in.

Oso
02-27-2011, 02:34 PM
Paea with 49 damned reps on bench.

KCrockaholic
02-27-2011, 02:38 PM
Paea with 49 damned reps on bench.

god damn

Tribal Warfare
02-27-2011, 02:52 PM
Paea with 49 damned reps on bench.

I think that's a new combine record

Saccopoo
02-27-2011, 03:03 PM
Don't take much from these drills, but Hankerson didn't fare well in the drill earlier in which they run sideline to sideline and catch balls from both sides.

He dropped nearly every ball and let them get too close to his body.

Hankerson's 40 impressed me, but he showed the one main criticism of his game which was that he had a tendency to catch the ball with his body instead of his hands.

It will take some coaching to get him to learn better technique and I don't know if that's something that's worth a first rounder.

Rain Man
02-27-2011, 03:08 PM
Man, that Dion Lewis guy from Pitt can make some quick cuts. He was impressive in that one cut-and-run drill.

Saccopoo
02-27-2011, 04:48 PM
Austin Pettis. All day long.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 05:00 PM
Here's Mayock's breakdown of Gabbert:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81e76c8b/Mayock-s-film-study-Gabbert

aturnis
02-27-2011, 05:51 PM
If the Chiefs went out and go Hankerson at 21 and Pettis in the 3rd, I'd be a pretty happy guy and I think our passing game would be set. Aside from whether or not Cassel can be the guy.

Chiefs=Champions
02-27-2011, 06:39 PM
My top D2 player in the draft, Edmund Gates (WR, Abilene Christian. Teammate of Johnny Knox and Bernard Scott, who were both drafted last year), ran a goddamned 4.35 in the 40. Wow, I thought he'd go 4.4. What's crazy is he's a player that is faster as he goes; his 60 yard might be tops in the whole draft.

He might be moving up to the bottom of the 2nd round at this rate. He's nailing his other drills too. Mid-2nd? This guy is fucking good.

Big fan of this guy. He just makes plays every time he touches the ball.

Chiefnj2
02-27-2011, 06:46 PM
Newton is this year's media bad guy. Last year it was Dez.

The Bad Guy
02-27-2011, 07:02 PM
Does Paea translate as a NT?

Quesadilla Joe
02-27-2011, 07:13 PM
Does Paea translate as a NT?

According to the National Football Post... no.


An explosive, thickly built defensive tackle who displays an impressive first step off the snap and consistently is one of the first defensive linemen moving. Does a great job keeping his base down, back flat and creating leverage for himself into contact. Is able to generate an impressive jolt at the point of attack in both the run and pass game, keeping opposing linemen from getting onto his frame initially off the snap. Demonstrates the first step to cross the face of opposing defenders and shoot his way into the backfield, but also displays good suddenness and body control as a pass rusher inside, cleanly changing directions and using a compact club move — which he added to his arsenal from a year ago — to free himself from blocks inside. However, needs to do a better job extending his arms more consistently into contact off the snap and lacks much of an idea how to counter if his initial rush is stalled.

Possesses impressive anchor strength for his size. However, isn't a guy who will sit into his stance and control blocks in the run game. But his combination burst and lower body strength make him really tough to move off the football. Even vs. the double he has the ability to hold his ground inside. Exhibits good range when asked to close and make plays off his frame, but needs to do a better job using his length to shed blocks. Isn't real long-armed and will struggle to keep himself clean and stack and shed blocks inside. Seems to get high trying to fight his way off blocks and will lose his balance and body control when working his way toward the runs off his frame.


Impression: He's explosive, powerful and can consistently overpower blockers at the point of attack. However, because of his lack of length and ability to cleanly shed blocks in the run game, looks limited to more of a one-gap scheme in the NFL. But has the ability to start and play at a high level early in his NFL career.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 07:34 PM
Newton is this year's media bad guy. Last year it was Dez.

Yeah, it's all a conspiracy. Fortunately he never got caught cheating on a test, stealing laptops, nor was he embroiled in one of the great cover-ups in NCAA history

Rain Man
02-27-2011, 07:53 PM
Some receiver has almost stuck 12 feet in the long jump twice. He just hasn't been able to stick the landing enough to keep from moving. I think it's A.J. Green.

Rain Man
02-27-2011, 07:54 PM
My bad. It was Julio Jones. He finally settled for an 11-3. The best jump last year was 10-6.

The Bad Guy
02-27-2011, 07:57 PM
Part of me really feels that Julio will be drafted ahead of AJ. The combine really elevated his stock.

aturnis
02-27-2011, 08:32 PM
According to the National Football Post... no.

Is that before or after he put up 225lbs. 49 times?

Rain Man
02-27-2011, 08:34 PM
Part of me really feels that Julio will be drafted ahead of AJ. The combine really elevated his stock.


Apparently he's been the top guy on pretty much every physical test. He's sure impressing the commentators.

On an unrelated note, Mike Mayock is really, really self-confident. He was giving Cam Newton some pointers on pattern progression, which I found kind of funny.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-27-2011, 09:08 PM
Part of me really feels that Julio will be drafted ahead of AJ. The combine really elevated his stock.

I'd be stunned if that happened. AJ was a hell of a lot more productive in the same conference with inferior talent around him.

Quesadilla Joe
02-27-2011, 09:30 PM
Is that before or after he put up 225lbs. 49 times?

The scouting report was written before the combine. Just because he set the bench press record doesn't mean his film was wrong and he can dominate in a two gap defense overnight....

aturnis
02-27-2011, 11:04 PM
I realize that, but that kind of power shows he should have the ability to shed blocks left and right. Maybe he wasn't coached well enough to. Hell, the biggest difference between who Hali was 3 yrs ago and who his is not is his sudden ability to use his hands and use them well. He got even better at it this year. I can't tell you for sure who coached him to do that, but I know this offseason they brought in the martial arts expert who is subbed by NFL teams to teach the players hand combat.

If Paea wasn't trained to properly use his upper body strength to disengage blockers, it could be a big reason why he isn't able to do it. Some things seems simple, but there's a right and wrong way to do things.

Reaper16
02-27-2011, 11:40 PM
Big fan of this guy. He just makes plays every time he touches the ball.
Yes, yes he does. I've watched enough of his games to confirm that.

Direckshun
02-28-2011, 12:19 AM
No comments about Aldon Smith pooping out on the bench?

20 fucking reps?

Justin Houston weighed in at 270, but I haven't seen any pictures to tell if it was fat or muscle.

If muscle, he could be an intriguing OLB but I'll wait to see the 40 to see if it slows him down.

If fat, he won't be a Chief. Period.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2011, 12:38 AM
No comments about Aldon Smith pooping out on the bench?

20 fucking reps?.

Who gives a shit?

He's 6'4" 260 with super long arms. Most really good pass rushers are bad on the bench b/c of their arm length.

This isn't Tyson Jackson, a guy who weighed 290 and was going to play as a two gapping DE, putting up 20 reps.

Hell, DaQuan Bowers has 20 pounds on Smith and put up 2 more reps.

Quesadilla Joe
02-28-2011, 01:47 AM
Julio Jones vs Patrick Peterson

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Quesadilla Joe
02-28-2011, 08:21 AM
The DL is going on now.

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Chiefnj2
02-28-2011, 12:26 PM
I'm surprised that Ayers was slow.

the Talking Can
02-28-2011, 12:44 PM
heard the matthews kid dislocated his shoulder during the bench...




ow

Chiefnj2
02-28-2011, 12:46 PM
Houston ran well.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Von Miller ran a 4.46 forty.

Good loving jesus.

The Franchise
02-28-2011, 12:56 PM
It's to bad that we won't have a shot at getting him.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2011, 01:25 PM
It's to bad that we won't have a shot at getting him.

He's going in the top 5.

BigCatDaddy
02-28-2011, 01:50 PM
He's going in the top 5.

I still doubt that. He would be the first 3-4 OLB taken in the top 10 in recent history if ever.

The Franchise
02-28-2011, 01:57 PM
I still doubt that. He would be the first 3-4 OLB taken in the top 10 in recent history if ever.

I wouldn't be surprised if Buffalo took him at #3.

Chiefnj2
02-28-2011, 02:31 PM
I don't see who would take Miller with a top 5.

BigCatDaddy
02-28-2011, 02:39 PM
I don't see who would take Miller with a top 5.

This draft is so weak in top end QB and OT talent if there was a year to push an OLB up the board I guess it would be this one.

ChiefsCountry
02-28-2011, 02:51 PM
I still doubt that. He would be the first 3-4 OLB taken in the top 10 in recent history if ever.

Gholston

Direckshun
02-28-2011, 02:51 PM
Who gives a shit?

He's 6'4" 260 with super long arms. Most really good pass rushers are bad on the bench b/c of their arm length.

This isn't Tyson Jackson, a guy who weighed 290 and was going to play as a two gapping DE, putting up 20 reps.

Hell, DaQuan Bowers has 20 pounds on Smith and put up 2 more reps.

He ran a 4.7 forty.

I remember being told that he would make the Combine his bitch and would be a lock to go in the Top 15 as a result.

Chiefnj2
02-28-2011, 02:54 PM
This draft is so weak in top end QB and OT talent if there was a year to push an OLB up the board I guess it would be this one.

I guess it's possible the Cards could, but they desperately need a QB (especially if they want to keep Fitz around).

bowener
02-28-2011, 03:06 PM
I don't see who would take Miller with a top 5.

Some think he is going to the 49ers at #7. Him plus Willis would be disgusting.

BigCatDaddy
02-28-2011, 03:34 PM
McElroy 48 on the wonderlic!!! There is our guy LMAO

talastan
02-28-2011, 03:46 PM
Another Bama QB, is this one made of glass?

Mr. Laz
02-28-2011, 04:19 PM
This draft is so weak in top end QB and OT talent if there was a year to push an OLB up the board I guess it would be this one.
This draft seems opposite of last year.

Last year had so much 1st round talent that it dropped into the 2nd round. This year has a ton of 2nd round talent that is going to push up into the 1st round.

imo this year you sacrifice quantity for quality and just trade around to get the best 3 or 4 players you can get.

reschief
02-28-2011, 04:20 PM
Another Bama QB, is this one made of glass?

Namath was a Bama Qb and he never had any problems with inj. . .uh, never mind. . . .

Saccopoo
02-28-2011, 05:36 PM
I realize that, but that kind of power shows he should have the ability to shed blocks left and right. Maybe he wasn't coached well enough to. Hell, the biggest difference between who Hali was 3 yrs ago and who his is not is his sudden ability to use his hands and use them well. He got even better at it this year. I can't tell you for sure who coached him to do that, but I know this offseason they brought in the martial arts expert who is subbed by NFL teams to teach the players hand combat.

If Paea wasn't trained to properly use his upper body strength to disengage blockers, it could be a big reason why he isn't able to do it. Some things seems simple, but there's a right and wrong way to do things.

The problem with Paea as a NT is that he's only six feet tall and has pretty much maxed out his frame at 295 lbs. It's a leverage issue that he's going to have as a nose tackle more than anything. He's very strong, but simply doesn't have the mass to hold the point of attack against a center and guard at the same time. At least that's the theory.

Kyle Williams is the best 3-4 nose tackle in the league right now and he's 6'1" and 305 lbs. Strong like bull. So, technically, there is a chance that Paea could actually play the nose position. He's not "proto-type," but that shouldn't be the sole determining factor. I'm sure that the rugby league that he used to play in is happy that he chose football.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2011, 07:28 PM
He ran a 4.7 forty.

I remember being told that he would make the Combine his bitch and would be a lock to go in the Top 15 as a result.

Jason Pierre Paul ran a 4.71 and put up 19 reps.

Smith's arms are 35 3/8" long. That is freakishly long for a guy who is 6'4 and 1/4. That's 2 1/2" longer than DaQuan Bowers' arms. That's over an inch longer than JPPs. It's also one of the reasons why he's such a devastating pass rusher. Tackles can't get their arms on him.

The thing that makes Smith special isn't elite speed, it's his ability to use his hands to get blockers off of him. That's one of the reasons why he can rush inside and outside. He's still very fast for a DE, and he's got a good deal of explosiveness.

Quesadilla Joe
02-28-2011, 08:28 PM
Justin Houston fell down twice during the coverage drill.

KCrockaholic
02-28-2011, 08:44 PM
Justin Houston fell down twice during the coverage drill.

Oh noes....It's not really a big deal.

milkman
02-28-2011, 09:00 PM
I still doubt that. He would be the first 3-4 OLB taken in the top 10 in recent history if ever.

DT.

KCrockaholic
02-28-2011, 09:02 PM
BigCatDaddy is forgetting quite a few players.

The Bad Guy
02-28-2011, 09:06 PM
I don't see who would take Miller with a top 5.

Arizona.

Rams Fan
02-28-2011, 09:07 PM
Arizona.

This.

Or they go the QB route.

KCrockaholic
02-28-2011, 09:09 PM
This.

Or they go the QB route.

Arizona needs a QB. Gabbert has to be their guy.

Direckshun
02-28-2011, 09:17 PM
Jason Pierre Paul ran a 4.71 and put up 19 reps.

Smith's arms are 35 3/8" long. That is freakishly long for a guy who is 6'4 and 1/4. That's 2 1/2" longer than DaQuan Bowers' arms. That's over an inch longer than JPPs. It's also one of the reasons why he's such a devastating pass rusher. Tackles can't get their arms on him.

The thing that makes Smith special isn't elite speed, it's his ability to use his hands to get blockers off of him. That's one of the reasons why he can rush inside and outside. He's still very fast for a DE, and he's got a good deal of explosiveness.

Um... I hated JPP as a first round prospect. Check the DraftPlanet archives. I still do.

Are you still suggesting he could be a 3-4 OLB? Or are we just mocking him to 4-3 defenses, now?

Rams Fan
02-28-2011, 09:20 PM
Arizona needs a QB. Gabbert has to be their guy.

I've read that they may trade for a QB like Kolb or sign one like Bulger. Who knows?

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-28-2011, 09:23 PM
Um... I hated JPP as a first round prospect. Check the DraftPlanet archives. I still do.

Are you still suggesting he could be a 3-4 OLB? Or are we just mocking him to 4-3 defenses, now?

Well, Aldon has the same kind of athletic ability with better production in a better conference. So if JPP can be considered an athletic freak with a shorter broad jump, a similar 40, fewer reps and shorter arms, why can't Smith?

And yes, he could play both positions.

Reaper16
02-28-2011, 09:44 PM
Another Bama QB, is this one made of glass?
No. Physically, he's a Matt Cassel clone, though. Well, with less mobility.

KCrockaholic
02-28-2011, 09:58 PM
No. Physically, he's a Matt Cassel clone, though. Well, with less mobility.

Really? You think Matt Cassel and Greg McElroy are physically the same?

Reaper16
02-28-2011, 11:23 PM
Really? You think Matt Cassel and Greg McElroy are physically the same?
Cassel's a much better athlete. McElroy is far less scared of a pass rush (I suppose that's mental, though). But in terms of what they're going to give you on the field? Similar arm strength, similar preferred throws, similar preponderance for checkdowns, similar in ability to stretch the field, etc. I probably could have chosen a better initial phrasing. My point is that they are similar players.

Urc Burry
02-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Man...after watching Patrick Peterson highlights, and if KC had the #1 pick this year I would seriously take him over anyone in the draft. The guy is a playmaker and is going to be a stud for years. I really see him being the next Deion Sanders. Watch tomorrow, he is going to light up the combine

Chiefnj2
03-01-2011, 06:07 AM
Man...after watching Patrick Peterson highlights, and if KC had the #1 pick this year I would seriously take him over anyone in the draft. The guy is a playmaker and is going to be a stud for years. I really see him being the next Deion Sanders. Watch tomorrow, he is going to light up the combine

FWIW Jones had a good game against him.

Saccopoo
03-01-2011, 10:21 AM
Man...after watching Patrick Peterson highlights, and if KC had the #1 pick this year I would seriously take him over anyone in the draft. The guy is a playmaker and is going to be a stud for years. I really see him being the next Deion Sanders. Watch tomorrow, he is going to light up the combine

You should post more. This board needs more quality takes like this.

milkman
03-01-2011, 10:29 AM
You should post more. This board needs more quality takes like this.

Hey, maybe he saw Jon Asomoah line up at LT also!

KCrockaholic
03-01-2011, 10:44 AM
Cassel's a much better athlete. McElroy is far less scared of a pass rush (I suppose that's mental, though). But in terms of what they're going to give you on the field? Similar arm strength, similar preferred throws, similar preponderance for checkdowns, similar in ability to stretch the field, etc. I probably could have chosen a better initial phrasing. My point is that they are similar players.

Oh ok....You said "physically" so I thought you meant from a body standpoint.

BigCatDaddy
03-01-2011, 02:35 PM
DT.

Unaware the Chiefs brought him into to play OLB in the 3-4, but that was over 20 years ago even if he would have been brought in as a 3-4 OLB.

Titty Meat
03-01-2011, 02:37 PM
Damn Prince and Peterson both ran in the 4.3's. Theres going to be 2 CB's going in the top 10 kinda weird

Urc Burry
03-01-2011, 03:56 PM
Damn Prince and Peterson both ran in the 4.3's. Theres going to be 2 CB's going in the top 10 kinda weird

Yeah I was blown away by Prince...I thought his 40 would would bring him down, but it cemented him into the top 10

Hammock Parties
03-02-2011, 04:32 AM
Gabbert ran a 4.62

Wow, that's awesome.

Dude is an incredible prospect.

keg in kc
03-02-2011, 06:32 AM
Cassel's a much better athlete. McElroy is far less scared of a pass rush (I suppose that's mental, though). But in terms of what they're going to give you on the field? Similar arm strength, similar preferred throws, similar preponderance for checkdowns, similar in ability to stretch the field, etc. I probably could have chosen a better initial phrasing. My point is that they are similar players.Part of the reason I fear we'll draft him. He's a 'safe' quarterback, fully in line with what they seem to want from the position.